The Post Your Picture Thread

[algunz]

She is beautiful, Sean. Thank you too.

[RotationSlimWang]

The powers at be could always implement a draft or entice them with better benefits, there is always a way to get what the fuck they want. Some dudes willing to lay down their own lives for what they consider to be a noble cause is hardly the issue.

Instituting a draft does not force one to serve. They can jail you for refusing to serve, but they can't make you serve.

Anyone who would volunteer for a position where it is entirely possible they might be involved in the murder of innocent people but is willing to just take that chance is morally bankrupt.

[Miroir Noir]

Of course, we probably won't need to worry about our troops much in the near future, as our flying death robots will increasingly take on most duties that involve killing enemies/innocent civilians.

[stinkbutt]

Randy, do you really think most of those kids think it that far through? It's not as though you can't choose what you do when you're in, just like you can choose jail or go along with getting drafted you can choose who you shoot or whatever.

[RotationSlimWang]

I'm sure most murderers "didn't think it through." That does not absolve you of guilt. Yes, to some extent you can choose what you do once you're involved, but where does guilt stop? So let's say he signs up for a part of service that doesn't involve murder. Maybe he's in intel or some shit, and he just follows orders to find out where the following five people live. He finds out, hands over the intel. Then the people in those five houses are murdered and let's assume it's unjust. Did he kill them? No. Is he implicit in their death because he volunteered to be part of a war machine? Yes. Anyone who participates is somehow helping the effort which makes them morally accountable.

It's not a complicated answer: stop volunteering for shit until you know what you're fighting for.

[marooko]

Attachment 9457 Chilling in the turret at Drill this weekend. It was freaking COLD.

Thank you for putting yourself in a potentially life threatening situation so we can all talk shit about you and act like we're better people for not volunteering to do the same.

[chairmenmeow47]

i'd just like to thank you for being an attractive male. we need more of that on the board to oogle, morally bankrupt or no.

also, sean's baby, AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[mountmccabe]

Anyone who participates is somehow helping the effort which makes them morally accountable.

Have you paid taxes? And thus helped fund the war machine?

It's not as clear cut as you're making it out to be.

[mountmccabe]

And yay baby Shay! AWWWWWWW!

[Miroir Noir]

RotationSlimThoreau

[RotationSlimWang]

Have you paid taxes? And thus helped fund the war machine?

It's not as clear cut as you're making it out to be.

Frankly, no, not recently. And I feel like that's a catchall analogy that doesn't really hold up.

[fatbastard]

So I'm not allowed to thank someone for serving in the military?

[amyzzz]

Thank all you want, FB.

[RotationSlimWang]

You can do whatever you want, but what you're doing makes no sense.

[fatbastard]

To you.

[RotationSlimWang]

To anyone who actually examines the nature of things instead of blindly thanking jerkoffs who are part of the reason the world is shitty, yes.

[RotationSlimWang]

I just wanna thank suicide bombers... Oh wait, that doesn't make any sense, does it. Explain to me why that doesn't make any sense? Why should I care differently who's killing a bunch of people on the other side of the world? Why is it a thank-worthy thing for an American to travel thousands of miles to go do, but it's something deserving of scorn when it's a native to the area doing it?

[fatbastard]

That's one thought.

I’m going to keep thanking them, just like I wash my hands after using the restroom. It was the way I was raised. Backwards maybe, be it makes me happy.

[RotationSlimWang]

Is there any non-military murder you'd like to express a personal fondness for?

[fatbastard]

Ted Bundy was pretty good at it. Quite a thinker.

[VigoTheCarpathian]

I just wanna thank suicide bombers... Oh wait, that doesn't make any sense, does it. Explain to me why that doesn't make any sense? Why should I care differently who's killing a bunch of people on the other side of the world? Why is it a thank-worthy thing for an American to travel thousands of miles to go do, but it's something deserving of scorn when it's a native to the area doing it?

So, there is no moral distinction between a man who intentionally and enthusiastically murders innocent people and one who does so reluctantly and by consequence of preventing greater tragedy?

[fatbastard]

I took the bait just for shit and giggles, you really want to know. Now your asking for it.

[RotationSlimWang]

I think there's something a bit more respectable about knowing exactly what the consequences of your actions are going to be and accepting it. You bear the moral responsibility yourself, you will be appropriately accountable to your higher power. They believe in a cause and they're willing to demonstrate that they believe in it so much they will die for their principles. Somehow that's less offensive to me than a kid who ends up killing the same but in the name of some half-assed nationalism, or even worse just to get job training and pay for your college.

[VigoTheCarpathian]

Fair point, but the utmost responsibility of the negative consequences of an unjust war certainly do not fall on the young underclass seeking opportunity from an opportunistic government which sends them off to war. This is similar to blaming the economic ills of this nation on subsidies to immigrant babies.

[RotationSlimWang]

No, it's similar to blaming the economic ills of the nation on the stupid mortgages and credit card debt that everyone ran up. Which is valid. Because it's their fucking fault too.

[RotationSlimWang]

The utmost responsibility falls to the person who DID the thing. Giving the order to do something is one kind of moral responsibility. Being the hammer that blindly executes the will of the hammer-wielder and enables them to execute who they want is another kind of responsibility, and it's possibly worse.

[fatbastard]

That's a value system alright. There are worse places to live.

[VigoTheCarpathian]

So then what is the iniquitous cleavage between a man who does conscious but arguably justifiable evil and one who follows suite by means of little capacity to reason about the moral consequences of his submission?

[RotationSlimWang]

Could you rephrase that question using groups of words that make sense?

[fatbastard]

LOL