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[PassiveTheory]

Going against the grain of virtually EVERYTHING I have to say about the San Diego Chargers, I'm actually impressed with our draft.

Ingram was an absolute steal (although I wonder who we're going to let go in camp to make room for him), Reyes is for when we let Castillo walk out in FA next year, Taylor to give our secondary some much needed help (even if he doesnt end up being starting material), Green as a high-potential future replacement for Gates, and finally some O-line help with Troutman. Maybe getting a CB and some other project with our remaining picks would complete a pretty sound draft.

[suprefan]

Your GM has his job on the line, he actually had to perform for once.

[citizenerased]

Cincy has cleaned up big time this draft.

[hawkingvsreeve]

I am now a Detroit Lions fan.

[HotHamWater]

Until the preseason ends, at least. Enjoy the ride, though, Brandon.

[hawkingvsreeve]

I think he'll get signed and move up to #2, honestly.

[Shaxspear]

I can't believe Washington used a 3rd on another QB.

[GuyInTucson]

The 2012 Draft: Picture Analysis

http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/...ad.php?t=52641

[ThomThom]

The 2012 Draft: Picture Analysis

http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/...ad.php?t=52641

Yeah that's a board that I have been lurking for some time now and I have yet to see a post that fucking awesome... Really really well done.

[ThomThom]

Going against the grain of virtually EVERYTHING I have to say about the San Diego Chargers, I'm actually impressed with our draft.

Ingram was an absolute steal (although I wonder who we're going to let go in camp to make room for him), Reyes is for when we let Castillo walk out in FA next year, Taylor to give our secondary some much needed help (even if he doesnt end up being starting material), Green as a high-potential future replacement for Gates, and finally some O-line help with Troutman. Maybe getting a CB and some other project with our remaining picks would complete a pretty sound draft.

I think the Chargers had one of the most underrated drafts, they picked up some fantastic fucking players and even found a way to get value late, I'm impressed with Smith and Turner finally, it's a shame it took them almost getting fired to finally do something in the fucking draft properly.

[Somewhat Damaged]

So, Tommy, tell me whether I should be happy or not with the Bears' draft selections.

[ThomThom]

So, Tommy, tell me whether I should be happy or not with the Bears' draft selections.

Shea McClellin is a fantastic player but I envisioned him as a 3-4 LB and it seems as if Chicago is going to use him as a 4-3 DE which I’m skeptical of due to his size and lack of playing time at that spot for Boise State. It’s a tricky pick because it doesn’t fill as big of a need as a top O-lineman would have like Rieff or DeCastro but it does take McClellin away from their division rivals the Packers who were going to pair him up nicely with Casey Matthews.

Alshon Jeffrey is my favorite pick by far, regardless of the Brandon Marshall pick up the Bears were still very desperate for a big WR for Cutler to lick his chops at. Alshon fits the bill, he is a fucking monster and creates mismatches all over the field, reminds me of when the Giants got a steal on Hakeem Nicks a few years ago who up until now has caused matchup nightmares for everybody in our division. The only thing they have to watch out for is he tends to gain a lot of weight throughout the season, can play sluggishly at times, and is kind of a knucklehead if not coached properly. When he is in tip top shape he is one of the best WR’s in the draft, not to mention the fact that he has unbelievable hands.

I didn’t really like the Brandon Hardin pick at all, he was solid at OSU, really quick for a free safety but he is very injury prone and has a slew of coverage issues not to mention his tackling has always been questionable.

I also don’t feel their 4th pick Evan Rodriguez was all that smart considering what was still on the board defensively and on the O-line, he’s a very fast undersized TE who is going to get paired with two other TE’s on their roster with similar qualities. I guess you can just consider him another weapon for Cutler and move on from it, would not have been my choice.

The last two picks were simply fillers that will essentially compete for a spot on the roster, they needed a true CB and the guy from Nevada aint half bad, the tackle from TCU was a little surprising considering they had DaJohn Harris from USC available, somebody I have actually watched play.

Overall they made a strategic move in the first, struck gold in the second, and kind of fell off the map with rounds 3 through 7.

[TomAz]

[Mr. Dylanja]

ThomThom Kiper, I would like an Arizona Cardinals draft review accompanied with a letter grade please.

[ThomThom]

Sorry, I get in Mel Kiper mode when I'm in the office and ASS MAN mode when I'm at home.

[Somewhat Damaged]

Thanks, Sasha!

[suprefan]

The 2012 Draft: Picture Analysis

http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/...ad.php?t=52641

Get with the times.....

[ThomThom]

Chris, save that bullshit for the Radiohead fanboy/upcoming show threads, there is no message board police allowed in the NFL thread... Capish?

[ThomThom]

Thanks, Sasha!

No problem booboo

[ThomThom]

ThomThom Kiper, I would like an Arizona Cardinals draft review accompanied with a letter grade please.

Coming right up baby...

[TomAz]

While we wait for Sasha, I'll add this: Mel Kiper criticized the Cardinals for not taking an OLB or a S. I don't understand how he got it in his head that we need another OLB with two very young and very good emerging starters (Sam Acho and O'Brien Schofield) or that we need another S when we have two seasoned veterans, one a frequent Pro Bowler (Adrian Wilson and Kerry Rhodes). Yeah A-Dub's getting old, we need to find him a successor, but it's not urgent just yet. But the OLB criticism, it's like Kiper didn't even watch the Cardinals last year. The Cardinals turned a 1-6 start into an 8-8 recored when Acho replaced Porter as the starter at linebacker. Dude will be in the Pro Bowl next year.

[ThomThom]

Kiper is one of the worst analysts because he only knows the skillset and the capability of college players, he is fucking clueless when it comes to evaluating emerging talent in the NFL. For that kind of stuff I like coaches/scouts/former gm's like Casserly or Lombardi. McShay and Kiper are fucking idiots when it comes assessing pro's. The Cardinals did not have a need at OLB, it wouldn't have hurt them to take an OLB over that idiotic 6th round pick for Lindley who could have been had as an undrafted FA.

[Down Rodeo]

ThomThom, how about a breakdown of the Cowboys' draft?

[ThomThom]

Here you go you fucking Cardinal fans...

Michael Floyd is strictly a premium pick that the Cardinals valued as the best player on the board. This was clearly one of the best landing spots for Floyd who could have made any team a little better but makes a team with arguably the best WR in the league and a pure slot WR (Doucet) who has been forced to play on the outside because of a sparse WR unit ALOT better. One of the main reasons why I always considered Floyd an overall better WR than Blackmon was because of how complete he is and how dangerous he can be in the red zone, which is something the Cardinals haven't had since they sent Boldin packing. Floyd is the only WR in the draft that can separate himself from coverage easily, block like a tight end, and also become a mid-field threat to go with his outside skills. The Cardinals stole him at the 13th pick, which was made possible by a mixture of Blackmon being valued ahead of him and his past problems with alcohol and partying… That can of course be corrected by one of the best mentors in the NFL, fuck you assholes.

Jamell Fleming was considered at one point to be one of the premiere hybrid corners in college because he could play well in man to man, zone, and even nickel schemes. His press coverage is probably his most impressive trait because of how tough he plays off the line, he has a tendency to get annoying injuries because of his mid-field play, often times he tries to play like a safety and ends up paying for it. He gets to learn under one of the best young corners in the league in Peterson and a tough vet in William Gay not to mention the fact that he used to return kicks for the Sooners quite well. This is another bargain for the Cardinals, this time in the 3rd round. Trust me, in a few years you will forget the letters D R C once this unit gets going.

As weird as this sounds Bobbie Massie was one of the biggest steals in the ENTIRE draft. In a crowded o-line class he still stood out as a second round talent and ended up falling off the board because many teams had to focus on defense, it was an absolute shock seeing this kid go to the third day of the draft and the Cardinals picked up on it. Massie can start right away because of the way he demolished pro-style defensive rushes in the SEC, he’s enormous in size and strength, plays well against edge rushers, and is quick on his run blocking. A FUCKING PLUS.

Senio Kelemete is an interesting pick in that it fills a need but is not exactly your prototype tackle because of his size, lack of overall strength, and history of ankle injuries. I can see the potential if they want to invest on helping him get bigger in both size and strength and maintaining proper footing to protect his ankles. On the plus side he is as quick as a tight end and can make plays farther down the field than most tackles but because of everything I said above I have no doubt in my mind that the Cardinals will utilize him as a guard where he is better suited because of his ability to keep up with run blocking.

Justin Bethel has some positive attributes as a safety but I feel can be more of a special teams expert because of how quick he is and how high he can jump. He is a pretty strong tackler but lacks the disruptiveness in the backfield that a safety needs to have. He could have been had as a later pick or even as a free agent but they jumped the gun and figured he could help their special teams immediately. I think he will be fighting for a roster spot and this pick could have instead beefed up their LB or DL units more but that’s just me.

I’m not sure what the Cardinals were thinking with the Lindley pick, he is essentially a mediocre QB with no skillset but a cannon for an arm that was viewed as an undrafted free agent from the beginning. He never really completed a good amount of his passes, has no scrambling ability whatsoever, and was kind of known for being inaccurate. If they wanted to go with a QB, which they didn’t need to, the Cards should have targeted Case Keenum or Kellen Moore instead of Lindley. There were several defensive players on the board that they could have gone with instead of drafting somebody to fight for the ever so important 3rd string slot with Bartel… Dumb ass pick.

Nate Potter was a last ditch effort to simply fill needs in the o-line, not a bad pick by any means but there were better tackles available. I give him and the rest of the o-line at BSU credit for always keeping Kellen Moore in the pocket and free of edge rushers but they always had a problem with the power rushers through the middle and most of those issues came from Potter’s side. I’m sure he can be developed and groomed to be one of those staple big white tackles but it will take a shit load of time. Good for depth but not much quality.

[ThomThom]

ThomThom, how about a breakdown of the Cowboys' draft?

Oh don't worry, that's coming my friend... I am fucking pumped about the beast from Memphis they picked up as one of their 21 UFA's, his name is Ronald Leary, don't forget that name... RONALD LEARY.

BEEEEEAAAAAAAST!

[ThomThom]

Also... If the Packers offense can survive a Joe Philbin-less playbook than I think they will be for real next season as opposed to that fluke 15-1 with the worst defense in NFL history. I really cannot believe how much fucking value they got for their defense this draft, they shouldn't have that many problems next season.

Same goes for the fucking shit headed Steelers who did the same with their offensive line... DeCastro AND Adams??? Fucking pieces of shit. Could be a repeat of that sickening Super Bowl in our house a couple years ago.

[TomAz]

I’m not sure what the Cardinals were thinking with the Lindley pick, he is essentially a mediocre QB with no skillset but a cannon for an arm that was viewed as an undrafted free agent from the beginning. He never really completed a good amount of his passes, has no scrambling ability whatsoever, and was kind of known for being inaccurate. If they wanted to go with a QB, which they didn’t need to, the Cards should have targeted Case Keenum or Kellen Moore instead of Lindley. There were several defensive players on the board that they could have gone with instead of drafting somebody to fight for the ever so important 3rd string slot with Bartel… Dumb ass pick.

The thinking was that Lindley has better pure physical attributes (height, arm strength) than Keenum or Moore, and that his inaccuracy might be solved through coaching. Of course they thought that about Derek Anderson too, so the problem may be the coaching staff has an inflated opinion of themselves.

Ryan Lindley started 49 consecutive games at quarterback for San Diego State. He's 6-feet-3-inches and 232 pounds, and he can make a football spin as fast as a centrifuge.

So why did he last until the sixth round of the NFL draft last weekend, where he was taken by the Cardinals?

Accuracy. Or the lack of it. Lindley's highest completion percentage in four years was 57.72, and last year it dipped to 53.02.

"I've been blessed with a pretty good arm," he said. "At the same time, I think something that has hurt me in the past is accuracy, and a lot of that for me is my footwork, which I have been working on a ton."

The footwork of quarterbacks has been a continuing theme for the Cardinals in recent years. Matt Leinart struggled with it, as did Derek Anderson. It will be a point of emphasis this off-season for John Skelton and Kevin Kolb.

After the season, Lindley worked with quarterbacks coach Steve Calhoun and former NFL assistant Ted Tollner to try to correct the problem.

"They both helped me out a ton and really just gave me a lot of information," Lindley said.

The Cardinals are counting on new quarterbacks coach John McNulty to help, too. He previously was the team's receivers coach.

"You've got a big guy that's almost 6-4, that's athletic, that's got a good arm and can move in the pocket," coach Ken Whisenhunt said of Lindley. "He's had success in an offense that's been productive at the college level. That's what you like as well."


Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/card...#ixzz1tjHoraTU

[nathanfairchild]

Junior Seau found dead.

[Tubesock Shakur]

Suicide.

[ThomThom]

Aloha Junior, you were one fuck of a linebacker.

*sniff*