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    Quote Originally Posted by zenidogx View Post
    nah, i dont think his people like mccain. i think mccain has a legitimate chance of winning cleanly.
    McCain has gone to great lengths (though unsuccessful) to conceal/downplay his buddy-buddy relationship with "W." The two like each other but McCain isn't dumb. He's not going to tout his relationship with a political cancer.

    And So long as Karl Rove is alive I can only doubt how "clean" any election--especially a presidential election--will be. Rove is a goddamn genus when it comes to winning elections. It’s undeniable the guy gets results. Unfortunately for the Dems he’s playing for the wrong team. McCain’s campaign would be very foolish not to use Rove at least as an under the radar consultant.

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    iunno too much about what mccain needs from bush.

    i do think that mccain's more modest approach provides a great contrast to obama's celebrity that could sway the voters in certain states.
    mccain just has to retain the red states.
    colorado, iowa, nevada, ohio, and florida are the key states for mccain.

    obama might lose grip of, but should be able to retain michigan and pennsylvania.
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    we're only in july. we'll see how things are in october.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenidogx View Post
    we're only in july. we'll see how things are in october.
    Not so fast. John Kerry can tell you all about how things in July can fuck you in November.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenidogx View Post
    mccain could maintain the war. again, he can't fuck it up.
    obama wouldnt do much either. yes, he'd be better than bush. however, obama is running on speeches. mccain is running on experience in washington.
    1. Maintaining the war? Definitely! He'll maintain war in the Middle East his whole term if he's elected.

    2. Define "fucking it up". Because this whole invasion is founded on the most horrendously obvious lies. The fact that we ever invaded was "fucked up". So.. the only way for McCain to not fuck it up would be to actually bring soldiers back, not send anymore, and NOT invade Iran. And I've been given no reason to believe that McCain would try to put a stop to the invasion.

    3. But, yes. I agree with what you're saying about Obama. I feel the same way. But at least I don't think Obama to be pure evil.


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    lol.
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    oops, that lol was for the previous post
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    Quote Originally Posted by clumsy342 View Post
    1. Maintaining the war? Definitely! He'll maintain war in the Middle East his whole term if he's elected.

    2. Define "fucking it up". Because this whole invasion is founded on the most horrendously obvious lies. The fact that we ever invaded was "fucked up". So.. the only way for McCain to not fuck it up would be to actually bring soldiers back, not send anymore, and NOT invade Iran. And I've been given no reason to believe that McCain would try to put a stop to the invasion.

    3. But, yes. I agree with what you're saying about Obama. I feel the same way. But at least I don't think Obama to be pure evil.

    3. i never said anything about obama being evil
    1. we cant just stop being in iraq. he will stay out of iran. the surge has worked and iraq's president has stated he wants the us to stay a little longer. combat will end with either candidate and we will keep our military stationed there. mccain is just pointing that out and people are quick to say he's a war fanatic.

    2. "fucking it up" means going to war with iran. at this point, iraq has reached maximum fuck potential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenidogx View Post
    3. i never said anything about obama being evil
    1. we cant just stop being in iraq. he will stay out of iran. the surge has worked and iraq's president has stated he wants the us to stay a little longer. combat will end with either candidate and we will keep our military stationed there. mccain is just pointing that out and people are quick to say he's a war fanatic.

    2. "fucking it up" means going to war with iran. at this point, iraq has reached maximum fuck potential.
    Hasn't McCain indicated that invading Iran is a definite possibility?

    As far as the surge goes, I don't know how one qualifies whether or not it worked but of course Iraq's President wants us to hang around. It's better the Americans die and pick up the bill "securing" his country than Iraqis...right?

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    you forgot a C in your sig boarder, unless that was intentional
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    Quote Originally Posted by boarderwoozel3 View Post
    It's better the Americans die and pick up the bill "securing" his country than Iraqis...right?
    No one knows. No one is counting Iraqi deaths.

    What are we surging with, is the question? Our National Guard, our reserves, our 20-something young people in dire need of cash, all of them are deployed already. Where are the extra troops going to come from?

    I think real International Cooperation, bringing in the UN and NATO, allowing the Iraqis more visible autonomy, if we can MAKE some middle-eastern allies, getting them involved... Show the Iraqis we have NOT come to take their homes or destroy their life styles, we really do just want their country peaceful and prosperous. Either way we can't keep doing what we've been doing, shipping off troops and hoping eventually the insergents will run out of bullets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer4Ever View Post
    I think real International Cooperation, bringing in the UN and NATO, allowing the Iraqis more visible autonomy, if we can MAKE some middle-eastern allies, getting them involved... Show the Iraqis we have NOT come to take their homes or destroy their life styles, we really do just want their country peaceful and prosperous. Either way we can't keep doing what we've been doing, shipping off troops and hoping eventually the insergents will run out of bullets.
    we do need cooperation from the region, but it is tough.
    the insurgents have been fought off decently recently. violence could subside in the next several years as Iraq's government grows and stabilizes. we're stuck there. it sucks, but it's true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boarderwoozel3 View Post
    Hasn't McCain indicated that invading Iran is a definite possibility?
    mccain says he would. but that's just him reaching out to bush voters that are skeptical of him. war with iran is not gonna happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenidogx View Post
    fuck you.

    seriously. no.

    bush is the worst fucking president ever. i woulda voted Kerry in 04. he wouldnt have done much, but he couldnt have fucked it up worse than bush. mccain could maintain the war. again, he can't fuck it up.
    obama wouldnt do much either. yes, he'd be better than bush. however, obama is running on speeches. mccain is running on experience in washington.
    you just rant on with what sounds like a retard cocktail of talking points and buzzwords...

    mccain is running (and getting support) by default... the primaries produced NO other republican likable enough to be even possibly be voted president.
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    Im not trying to be a dick or gang up on you, zenidogx..
    but here's some food for thought for EVERYBODY:
    You should really watch this. it is the same shlocky news delivery that FOX uses.. BUT its actually based on fact and coming from a very fair-minded angle. Its similar to the media calling Obama an "elitist", but the difference is that McCain is actually an asshole.
    (and.. who runs for president of the united states that ISNT kind of an "elitist"? do we not want the best and the brightest? Oh yeah thats right.. we settle for C-average, dunce cap, fucktard, failed businessman, redneck, racist, but wealthy Bush.)





    EDIT:
    Just a little clarification for when the time comes to sift through the assholes.
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    And here's a REALLY good example of the retarded shit people are saying about Obama. Wow.. All I can say is... wow.



    I think Metallica really helped overshadow the fact that there was really no valid point made in that video.


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    good points. mccain has flaws. we have 30 years of footage to show him look weak. obama only has a few missteps and has recovered easily.

    i am, however, turned away by olbermann's show in recent months. very pro obama and he doesn't hide it. rarely does he try to find flaws in the obama camp. good journalist, though.

    here's an interesting one i found earlier.
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    obama attacks can be really ignorant sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackSwan View Post
    the primaries produced NO other republican likable enough to be even possibly be voted president.
    neither side produced a great candidate.

    Gore doesn't want in.
    and Hagel missed his chance.


    mccain in 00 was good. edwards was the best from the dems, and even then he was meh.


    still, after bush either Obama or McCain would be good.
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    good news.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080709/...aq_training_dc

    who can take it from here? you know where i stand.
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    MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
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    Iraqis will be able to "fight on their own" without help from US troops?

    Fight who? Aren't they fighting us?
    Was part of the plan to set up an army in Iraq?
    Is that the mission to be accomplished?
    hhahha.. nothing makes sense anymore.


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    Quote Originally Posted by clumsy342 View Post
    Iraqis will be able to "fight on their own" without help from US troops?

    Fight who? Aren't they fighting us?
    Was part of the plan to set up an army in Iraq?


    seriously... have you paid attention at all for the past 5 to 6 years?
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    honestly, can you try to draw a straight line through this mess?
    Its getting to the point that every step is a misstep and any accomplishment is tainted because the invasion was unjustified in the first place.

    thats just my impression.
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    You don't remember Saddam Hussein and the WMD rumors? And then we came in. And then how Iraq devolved into civil war between ethnic groups and how all the terrorists went over to Iraq to fight a jihad against the US?
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    yeah. we had no reason to go in in the first place. WMD, Hussein, etc..
    Now we're in the middle of a CIVIL war .. it doesnt seem to be our place.


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    I vote revolution
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    but.. hes black.

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    I vote black revolution.
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    I vote black revolution.
    You just want to fuck a black chick.
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