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    "conversation is a game of circles and i'm getting dizzy-- bye"

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    AWESOME PICTURE!!!

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    omg omg omg omg omg omg cute

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    wait, ew, he's wearing pleated pants

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    yeah, i thought those were out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyWonder View Post
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    If the democrats want to win they need to put up billboards with this picture.
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    The Smiths - makes me think bin Laden has a point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samiksha View Post
    wait, ew, he's wearing pleated pants
    Quote Originally Posted by marooko View Post
    yeah, i thought those were out.
    I thought it was pleated khakis and the like that were out. Pleats in, say, suit pants were still ok. No?

    also if you google 'pleated pants' this image comes up as #2:


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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyWonder View Post

    He must have a hell of time trying to give a reach around.
    Lick an orange, it tastes like an orange. Lick a pineapple, it tastes like a pineapple. Go ahead, try it. Try some more. The strawberries taste like strawberries. The snozzberries taste like snozzberries! We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams. Come along, come along.

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    that wasnt very nice, Tom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomAz View Post

    also if you google 'pleated pants' this image comes up as #2:

    how the hell does she get her bottom over her BOTTOM!? she must like sew it on?
    velcro?
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    that material is stretchier than it looks

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomAz View Post
    I thought it was pleated khakis and the like that were out. Pleats in, say, suit pants were still ok. No?
    i think this conversation has been had in mob's fashion thread. i'm no fashion epxert - i just think it's unflattering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmycrackcorn View Post
    how the hell does she get her bottom over her BOTTOM!? she must like sew it on?
    velcro?
    I assumed the pic was photoshopped for just that reason

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    This has gotta be Photoshopped...right?
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    In his defense I do remember there being an upsurge of black coworker on white coworker exlaxings in LA after Rodney King.

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    It could be elephantiasis of the legs a serious medical condition

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    You cannot even see the kneecaps, it looks real to me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubBass49 View Post
    lmao.

    please for the love of god, allah, krishna, whomever...VOTE DEMOCRATIC THIS YEAR! i don't care who you pick , just not a republican.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sin213 View Post
    lmao.

    please for the love of god, allah, krishna, whomever...VOTE DEMOCRATIC THIS YEAR! i don't care who you pick , just not a republican.
    those people shouldnt vote at all.

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    this seems as good a place as any to put this article. The Atlantic is an excellent publication IMO.

    edit: I'm not supporting McCain, but this article gave me some comfort that if he did get elected it wouldn't be as bad as what we've got now.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/20080...n-conservatism

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    Alert Washingtonians were treated to an odd juxtaposition not long ago. John McCain was booed at the Conservative Political Action Conference, the big annual gathering of the right-wing tribes, while trying to establish that he was a conservative. On the same day, across town at the American Enterprise Institute—another conservative stronghold—Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker, was warmly received when he touted a new book called Real Change. Never one to go underboard, Gingrich called for “explosively replac[ing] the failed bureaucracies of the past.”

    The irony of the contrast seemed lost on conservatives. No one in the movement doubts Gingrich is a real, no-kidding conservative. Many doubt that McCain is. Some flatly flunk him. Thus spake James Dobson, the head of Focus on the Family and a leader of the Christian right: “I am convinced Senator McCain is not a conservative.” He’s not one of us, these conservatives have insisted.

    Actually, they’re not one of them. But he is.

    If the booers had paid attention to McCain’s speech, they might have noticed several mentions of Ronald Reagan. No surprise there. But McCain also went out of his way to invoke another conservative luminary, pointedly quoting him twice. That was Edmund Burke.

    Burke is the father of modern conservatism, and still its wisest oracle. Tradition-minded but (contrary to stereotype) far from reactionary, he believed in balancing individual rights with social order. The best way to do that, for Burke, was by respecting long-standing customs and institutions while advancing toward liberty and equality. Society’s traditions, after all, embody an evolved collective wisdom that even (or especially) the smartest of individuals cannot hope to understand comprehensively, much less reinvent successfully.

    The Burkean outlook takes individual rights seriously, and understands that civic order serves no purpose if its result is oppression or misery. It also understands that social stability, far from being endangered by institutional change, positively depends upon it. Burkeans no more believe in a golden past than they do in a perfect future. For them, the question is not whether society should change, but how.

    Burke himself was an advocate of change; he sympathized with the American revolution (while famously denouncing the much more radical French one), proposed curtailing the slave trade, and fought tirelessly to reform the corrupt and monopolistic British East India Company. But he believed change should take a measured pace and should try to follow well-worn social grooves rather than cutting across them. Above all, he abhorred utopian reformers, who, by disdaining real-world constraints and overestimating their own intelligence, invariably worsen what they seek to improve.

    Burke speaks as much to the conservative temperament as to conservative ideas. He would be suspicious of a conservatism that wanted to “explosively replace the failed bureaucracies of the past.” He would caution against forcibly uprooting the authority structures of a long-tyrannized society like Iraq and expecting a mini-America to spring forth. He would be all for “the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world” (as per President Bush’s second inaugural address), but he would put more emphasis on ultimate.

    If Burke were around today, he might paraphrase Reagan’s famous witticism about the Democratic Party: Burke didn’t leave the conservative movement; it left him. Starting with Barry Goldwater’s campaign of 1964, American conservatism repositioned itself as a revolutionary movement, intent on uprooting illegiti*mate and ineffective liberal structures. Partly this grew from a canny assessment that Eisenhower-style Republicanism had played into liberals’ hands, consolidating instead of confronting the welfare state. Partly, however, it grew from narcissism: no less than their left-wing peers, right-wing Baby Boomers liked to suppose it was their destiny to reshape the world.

    And so conservatives came to associate themselves with a romantic narrative of radical change—a narrative of counterrevolution, but revolutionary all the same. They trumpeted the Reagan Revolution, then Gingrich’s Republican Revolution. In 2001, George W. Bush came to office disdainful of “small ball,” determined to be a “transformative” figure. In the 2008 presidential race, Mike Huckabee railed against corporate greed, promised to abolish the Internal Revenue Service, and pledged (fancifully) to bring about “energy independence” (whatever that is) by the end of his second term; yet his conservative credentials met with less skepticism among the rank and file than did McCain’s. Nowadays, the harder core of the movement barely gives politicians the time of day unless they renounce incremental reform in favor of the root-and- branch variety, and denounce government with a stridency that owes less to Burke than to the New Left.

    Burke would have wondered at this. And in 2008 he might have noticed that, if conservatism is as much a temperament as it is any particular set of policies, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, both Democrats, have sounded more conservative than many Republicans. Both have agreed, for instance, on the need for health-care reform, but Clinton has emphasized her hard-learned lesson that change needs to be incremental, and Obama has said that a single-payer system would make sense if we were starting from scratch but that getting there from here would be “impractical”—a Burkean way to talk about change.

    And then there is McCain. As eclectic a reformer as he has been in the Senate, he has been consistent in his incrementalism. Though he was known to sound hot-headed on campaign-finance reform, his legislative work produced a reform that was mostly modest in its aims and that mostly attained them. He has been an old-fashioned budget balancer, not a newfangled supply-sider. He defends his global-warming efforts as gradualist and as modeled on emissions-trading systems that have already been tested. In the presidential primaries, he showed little interest in grandiose promises.

    Indeed, some of what his detractors view as inconsistencies display a distinctly Burkean logic. McCain opposes gay marriage but also voted against a federal constitutional amendment to ban it. Inconsistent? Not if you think that marriage is best handled by the states, which have handled it since Colonial times, or that there is nothing conservative about preemptively amending the Constitution to end-run the Supreme Court, a stratagem future liberals could have all kinds of fun with.

    McCain voted against Bush’s big tax cuts, but now says he supports extending them rather than risking damage to the economy. Flip-flop? Not if you believe, as Burkeans often do, that sudden and large policy changes deserve skepticism, but that when a policy becomes well established and woven into everyday life, as the tax cuts have, continuity should get the benefit of the doubt.

    In the face of resistance from Bush and his own party, McCain fought heroically for a law restraining harsh treatment of terror-war detainees, yet more recently he voted against legislation imposing on the Central Intelligence Agency the same stringent ban on coercive interrogation that the U.S. Army observes. Hypocrisy? Not if you believe that brutal interrogation methods should be illegal, but that holding the CIA to the military’s white-glove constraints, even in emergencies, goes too far the other way.

    McCain, in short, is an antirevolutionary, not a counterrevolutionary. No wonder, then, he invoked Burke twice to an audience of skeptical conservatives—or, perhaps more accurately, skeptical “conservatives.” And no wonder some of them booed. To movement conservatives, McCain represented heresy. But to the conservative movement, he represented a return to home truth.
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    interesting article, tom.

    this doesn't really have to do with mccain, but i have to say i find it appalling that we as a nation are so accepting of gay discrimination. that it's perfectly acceptable for our leaders to flat out condemn the marriage between two people just because they are the same sex, as long as they are protecting "states rights" in the process. it has nothing to do with the states. just like interracial marriage should have nothing to do with the states. it sickens me.

    but again, i know that wasn't the focus of the article, in general, i just would appreciate conservatives a whole hell of a lot more if they stopped making moral judgments on who people want to marry. i hate both parties equally, but i actually agree with old school conservative government. i just hate that the republican party chooses to regulate what they find to be morally right or wrong. and if it is a tax or monetary issue, i still don't understand why it's ok to give those benefits to married couples without children, but not gay marriages. it's disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chairmenmeow47 View Post
    i just hate that the republican party chooses to regulate what they find to be morally right or wrong.
    i dont think this is exclusively a rep. action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marooko View Post
    the dems do the same thing.
    not on the scale of the republicans though, and there seems to be less invoking of "family values/bible".

    i'm a registered independent and don't vote by party. it's just frustrating that i could probably align myself more with the republican party if they'd just stay the fuck outta my vagina and out of gay unions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chairmenmeow47 View Post
    not on the scale of the republicans though, and there seems to be less invoking of "family values/bible".

    i'm a registered independent and don't vote by party. it's just frustrating that i could probably align myself more with the republican party if they'd just stay the fuck outta my vagina and out of gay unions.
    well i lean mainly right also and i know nothing of your vagina. im willing to say that statement is also false.

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    the funny thing is the Bible is pretty ambiguous on homosexuality. I mean it's clear in Leviticus, right up there with keeping kosher and burnt offerings and making women sleep in a separate building during their "unclean time". but it's not in the gospels at all and Paul mentions it somewhat ambiguously and only in passing.

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