Most people? That's a funny term.
Now, if most people like crap like Mark Ronson, Calvin Harris, Nickelback, Miley Cyrus and Hinder, more power to them... Don't care if they want to listen to shitty music unless it interferes with my life.
Yeah, no. I'm not. If he's getting recognition and fame for his production and releasing a "solo album" of him "performing" his "own" material, it renders everything beforehand moot.
It's like saying Tom Cruise is a legitimate actor, when he's going to be remembered as a Grade A, certifiable nutcase.
Without me ever claiming that him working with timbaland made him automatically talented, you preemptively chose to claim that it did not. All I ever said was it's foolish to think that so many members of the music industry would seek out collaboration with someone who "only does covers". Besides, we all know you've got a holier than thou stick up your ass about pop music (as evidenced by your ignorance as to its definition)
He's also done production work behind the scenes for many others. And you also conveniently left out his original work.
You live in the tiniest fucking bubble I've ever seen. You better milk academia before it tosses you out on your ass.
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Tom Cruise? Why are you talking about Tom Cruise? He's a weirdo, but he's damn good in Born on the Fourth of July; but I think you might be too young to be familiar with that film.
You're focusing on the fact that Mark Ronson has built a name and a reputation by working with other people, which speaks virtually nothing of his actual abilities. Frank Sinatra was a cover artist, and he's a fucking legend. Instead of listening to the words that belong to someone else, try listening to the production and the music. Ronson is a turntable version of Phil Spector; another "nut-job" who happens to be a musical genius.
Yes, Tom Cruise is a nutcase. But to say that he's not a legitimate actor is beyond fucking retardery. To claim that the biggest actor in the world has simply pulled the wool over everyone else's eyes but yours is the most arrogant bullshit I've ever heard. You are by far the most pathetic hipster this board has ever seen. You are such a pompous twit that you can't separate what you think is trendy opinion from common sense.
I actually like Amy Winehouse, and I like Lily Allen. I'm seeing Sharon Jones at Coachella this year. Still, none of that takes away from the fact that, as a solo artist, Mark Ronson is terrible.
He makes the music. And he makes it sound good. The lyrics might very well be secondary to the music he is making sound good. But your mind is made.
Winehouse and Allen are terrible, the music is the only element I find interesting. Sharon Jones is cool, though, she's been around. That lady can really sing. Very few on this board knew who she was 6 months ago. Definitely check out her set.
You're a fucking know nothing ignorant douche if you really believe nobody talked about him before back to black. Here Comes The Fuzz was up on the top shelf at Rasputin and Amoeba and thousands of other record stores back in 2002. I was there I saw it, back when you were still begging for allowance to buy your green day albums. He was even talked about before then. He was one of the noises in indie hip hop before names like Jurassic 5 and RJD2 got huge.
And it doesn't matter if it's "...ft Mark Ronson" or "Mark Ronson ft.." it's all collaboration. And again, he does a lot of work you don't know about.
You fucking napster generation dipshits don't have a clue.
Mark Ronson may have been a big name in the indie hip-hop scene back at the turn of the century, but he's now become a one-trick pony. "Hey, if all of these chicks can get big and receive critical acclaim off of the back of motown-esque production, so can I! With an album of half-assed covers too! Yeah! That'll work!"
if you can.
You don't get it. You've waxed quasi-ironic anti-trendy on this board so long you can't refute it with "hey I didn't say shit about who'sa whatsisname"
And as far as his motown-esque winehouse productions, jesus christ he was hired to job, which he did. What the fuck did you want him to do? Produce hyphy tracks for Amy Winehouse?
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Death Cab for Cutie
Panic at the Disco
Red Hot Chili Peppers
I doubt 4/5 people in the general public would know who Rilo Kiley or Panic at the Disco or Arctic Monkeys are so therefore they fail your pop test.
...*blinks* Not know Panic At the Disco?... I thought the hate they incurred was because of their popularity... And Brendon Urie's voice... And their fanbase...
You must be living among a completely different public, Jack.
We are talking about a band that won the MTV Music Award for Best Music Video... And has appeared on the cover of Rolling Stone... And a couple other eyeliner emo magazines...
dude nobody gives a fuck about MTV anymore. They ditched all attempts to monopolize mass appeal when the download generation hit. Now they're a schizophrenic mess of varying Wyclef progeny and Laguna Beach/Hills.
Everyone's in a bubble in college. Luckily mine hit during the rise of backstreet boys and britney spears.
When and if you ever have to take a train everyday and work in a big building you'll quickly realize most people have little time for music.
And we're talking about the general public. Even in MTV's heyday you probably find half the people on the street didn't know who Ratt or fucking Bullet Boys etc. were even though all young people did.
Life's pretty big.
Last edited by jackstraw94086; 03-17-2008 at 11:11 PM.
I only know him through his production of Amy Winehouse's BACK TO BLACK album...
Its alright to show the late greats love But some of y’all is riding dicks and don’t know it like a date rape drug
Wow, this exploded overnight.
Jackstraw, I'm going to check up on Mark Ronson some more. Anyone who has the patience to argue with PT so long is a good person who's judgment I trust.
no fuck that. mark ronson blows.
this argument is great press for mark ronson.