CREATE A FESTIVAL - ROUND #4 - SUMMER SOULSTICE VS. CASCADE

[menikmati]

Create a Festival - Round #4 - Summer Soulstice vs. Cascade Festival.

Okay, here is the third match of the fourth round, which incorporates set times! You're voting on which festival you like the best. Take into account any type of factor(s) you want. Which bands you like the best. The location. The ticket price. The extras. The set times. Pretend if you had one choice of going to a festival, and you were gonna spend your money on one of these, which would it be? Whatever the case, you're voting one of these into the next round!

Voting will last 3 days, and you're only allowed to vote if you have 200 posts or more (votes are public, so I'll know, so don't waste your time if you have less than 200 - unless you've entered a poster yourself). And NO alias voting. If I even suspect you to be an alias, you're votes won't count (sorry bug, abe, granny and more).

Winner moves onto the Semi-Finals!

Choice #1

Summer Soulstice



Location: Santa Teresa County Park, San Jose, California
Ticket Price: $197.00
Onsite Camping
No Noise Curfew
Open Taping

Set times:



Choice #2

Cascade Festival



Location: Marfa, Texas
Ticket Price: $200.00
Onsite Camping
No Noise Curfew
Open Taping

Set times:

[Courtney]

Dammit people I can't stay awake from 9:30am to 5am.

[menikmati]

yeah 5am is a little extreme...

[Hawkings]

<--- late to see this

this contest is soo cool !

[MassiveChemicalPunk]

Damn, this one was tough. Cascade has a couple more acts I would like to see. But back to back Massive Attack + Portishead did it. Also, the schedule arrangements for Summer Soultice are really good, and easy to read.

I have a feeling Cascade will win though

[wmgaretjax]

Cascade is absolutely insane. I can't help but vote for it. The film curations are interesting too, totally unrealistic, but awesome none the less.

[MassiveChemicalPunk]

Thats the bad thing about Cascade. too unrealistic. Fuck, the headliner play 3 hours each till 5 AM. and the first acts in the tents start at 10 AM jaja

[betao]

Summer Soulstice got my vote - it is awesome. The only real problem I have is kraftwerk vs gogol bordello, but i'd live with missing a gogol bordello show.

Also, props to SS for using the no-curfew thing THE RIGHT WAY! Seriously, not having a curfew should mean that you dont even go past 3, and you dont put your headliners on last either; put something that people could jam out too. And (although SS did not do this), you wanna make that band that plays so late a band that people would want to watch some of - not a band that would more than likely appear on someone's "must see" list.

Cascade is extremely unrealistic. Are your headliners even going to want to start their 3 hour set at 2 AM? Good luck telling Prince and Bowie that they're gonna be up all night. And god forbit a problem or something that delays the performance.

[Boourns]

These are both incredible festivals. This is going to be tough, so I have to break it down. What I would see...

Summer Soulstice
Friday:
1:00-2:00 Grizzly Bear
2:50-3:50 ASOBI SEKSU
4:00-5:10 Blonde Redhead
5:35-6:50 Doves
7:15-8:00 Interpol
8:05-8:35 Postal Service
9-10:30 Massive Attack
11-12:30 Portishead
12:40-1:45 The Chemical Bros
Pissed about missing: Broken Social Scene, M83, The Magnetic Fields...wow

Saturday:
2-3 Spoon
4:05-5:05 Feist
5:35-6:35 Rilo Kiley
6:40-7:45 Roxy Music
8:15-9:45 Flaming Lips
10:15-12:15 R.E.M.
12:25-1:30 Underworld
Bummed about missing: Spiritualized

Sunday:
2:05-3:05 Peter Bjorn & John
3:30-4:45 Decemberists
5:35-6:40 Dresden Dolls
7:10-8:15 Jarvis fucking Cocker
8:20-9:45 Muse
10:15-12:15 The Cure
12:25-1:45 Kraftwerk
Pissed about missing: Belle & Sebastian, PJ Harvey, Gogol Bordello

Cascade
Friday:
9:30-10:15 Menomena
11:45-12:45 Sufjan Stevens
1:30-2:30 Simian Mobile Disco
3:30-4:00 Deerhoof
4:10-5:00 Battles
5:10-6:00 Gogol Bordello
7:00-8:00 Broken Social Scene
9:00-9:45 Beck
9:55-10:30 Yeah Yeah Yeahs
nap until 2am
2-5am Prince
Pissed about missing: M.I.A., and the Beck/YYYs conflict is brutal. And 9:30am is way early, so I'd probably miss Menomena due to sleep

Saturday:
10:30-11:30 Beirut
2:15-3:15 Animal Collective
4:15-5:15 Feist
nap until 9:30
9:30-10:00 Devo
10:10-10:55 Fiona Apple
11:05-11:50 The Knife
12:00-1:30 Portishead
2-5am David Bowie
Pissed about missing: nothing, really

Sunday:
10:45-11:45 Doves (would probably still be asleep, though)
1:15-2:15 Cat Power
3:00-3:30 Tricky
3:35-4:15 Belle & Sebastian
8:00-8:20 PJ Harvey
8:30-9:30 Mogwai
10-11:00 Sigur Ros
11-12:30 Spiritualized
1-4:00 Radiohead
Pissed about missing: Explosions in the Sky (why make the post-rock bands conflict?), most of PJ Harvey, and Sigur Ros and Spiritualized should really change timeslots. Sigur Ros definitely the bigger (and better) band, after all.

Ouch. If bands are going to be playing until 5am, they probably should not be the headliners. Maybe in the dance tent, because people are rolling, or the more esoteric acts should play in those late hours after a headliner.

I decided to go with Summer Soulstice because the hypothetical scheduling is easier on the brain, the riskier (but great) headliners, seeing Asobi Seksu and Blonde Redhead back to back, and an appearance by Jarvis Cocker. I almost went with Cascade because it's rather crazy and different, with another incredible lineup. Love both of them, so this was really tough.

[rage patton]

I need to think this over too...

But the Kraftwerk vs The Cure vs. Gogol Bordello conflict is brutal. Absolutely brutal.

[betao]

Kraftwerk doesnt really play against the Cure... they only overlap 15 minutes, it's not like that'll absolutely kill you.

but Kraftwerk vs Gogol is a rough one indeed

[menikmati]

I love the set times for Summer Soulstice...but God, it's such a shitty location...could you pick a worse place than fucking San Jose to hold a festival??? Ick.

[MassiveChemicalPunk]

Yeah, location is not that good in SS. Still, i find it much more realistic that the other one. Also, notice that the price for Cascade is $200?if it were a real festival the would go broke! Imagine paying Bowie, Prince and Radiohead to do a 3 hour set EACH, plus the rest of the bands. insane.

[i_like_cake530]

Cascade had a reasonable chance of winning this before the set times came out...but now, i doubt they'll even make the semifinals...headliners till 5AM? no thanks...

[Somewhat Damaged]

Summer Soulstice

Friday:
1:50-2:50 Chromeo
2:50-3:50 Asobi Seksu
4:00-5:10 Blonde Redhead
5:45-6:15 Morcheeba
6:15-7:10 Cassius
7:25-8:00 The Postal Service
8:00-8:50 Lemon Jelly
9:00-10:30 Massive Attack
11-12:30 Portishead
12:30-1:45 The Chemical Bros

Disappointed about missing: Okkervil River, M83, Falcon & Daft Crew

Saturday:
1:15-2:15 Ghostland Observatory
2:15-3:00 Spoon
3:00-3:40 The Gossip
4:05-5:05 Feist
5:10-6:20 Hot Chip
6:35-7:45 Roxy Music
7:45-8:15 Spiritualized
8:30-9:45 Goldfrapp
10:15-11:30 Royskopp
11:30-12:00 R.E.M.
12:00-1:30 Underworld

Disappointed about missing: Wilco, Rilo Kiley, Ratatat, Flaming Lips, and Gnarls Barkley -- ouch!

Sunday:
12:45-1:45 The National
2:05-3:05 Peter Bjorn & John
3:30-4:45 The Decemberists
4:50-6:00 Belle & Sebastian (really? just a five-minute set-up?)
6:30-7:10 PJ Harvey
7:10-8:15 Jarvis Cocker
8:15-9:00 Muse
9:00-10:00 Deep Dish
10:15-12:15 The Cure
12:15-1:45 Kraftwerk

Disappointed about missing: Nightmares on Wax, Junior Boys, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds

Cascade

Friday:
9:30-10:15 Menomena
10:15-11:00 Vampire Weekend
11:00-12:00 Santogold
12:00-12:45 Sufjan Stevens
12:45-1:30 Caribou
1:30-2:30 Simian Mobile Disco
3:00-4:00 Chromeo
4:15-5:15 M.I.A.
5:15-6:00 Gogol Bordello
6:00-7:00 Junior Boys
7:00-8:00 Broken Social Scene
9:00-10:00 Beck
10:00-11:00 The Avalanches
11:00-12:30 Sly and the Family Stone
12:30-1:30 AC/DC
2:00-4:00 Prince

Disappointed about missing: Hot Chip and the Yeah Yeah Yeahs -- couldn't Hot Chip and Gogol Bordello switch time slots?

Saturday:
9:30-10:00 Jose Gonzalez
10:00-11:00 Diplo
11:00-11:30 Beirut
11:45-12:45 Band of Horses
1:30-2:30 Iron & Wine
2:30-3:00 Ellen Allien & Apparat
3:00-3:30 Andrew Bird
3:30-4:30 Okkervil River
4:30-5:15 Feist
5:30-6:30 Royskopp
7:00-8:00 Goldfrapp
8:00-8:30 Spoon
8:30-9:00 The National
9:00-10:00 The Future Sound of London
10:00-11:00 Fiona Apple
11:00-12:00 The Knife
12:00-1:30 Portishead
2:00-4:00 David Bowie

Disappointed about missing: New Pornographers, Les Savvy Fav, The Pogues, and Devo

Sunday:
9:00-10:00 Gillian Welch
10:00-10:30 Liars
10:30-11:30 Burial
11:30-12:30 Ghostland Observatory
12:30-1:15 Crystal Castles
1:15-2:15 Cat Power
2:15-3:00 Bat for Lashes
3:00-3:30 Tricky
3:30-4:30 MSTRKRFT
5:00-6:00 Soulwax
6:00-7:00 The Streets
7:00-7:30 Lemon Jelly
8:00-9:00 PJ Harvey
9:00-10:00 Explosions in the Sky
10-11:00 Sigur Ros
11-12:30 Spiritualized
1:00-4:00 Radiohead

Disappointed about missing: Belle & Sebastian (wish they could switch time slots with Explosions in the Sky), Ween, Yo La Tengo, and Mogwai. And yeah, Sigur Ros and Spiritualized should switch time slots, too.

Tough call, both festivals are really strong, but even though Cascade would be my amphetamine weekend, it has fewer conflicts and more bands that I'd eager to see. Check out Saturday: FSOL -> Fiona Apple -> The Knife -> Portishead -> David Bowie. That's fucking sick! SS's Lemon Jelly -> Massive Attack -> Portishead -> Chemical Brothers on Friday is also pretty damn amazing but for me, the Knife, Fiona Apple, FSOL, and David Bowie overwhelm Lemon Jelly, Massive Attack, and Chemical Brothers. Cascade for the win.

[breakjaw]

I love the set times for Summer Soulstice...but God, it's such a shitty location...could you pick a worse place than fucking San Jose to hold a festival??? Ick.

Yeah.

New Jersey.

[paulb]

Cascade...im really feeling it! despite how much i hate their posters for being hard to read.

[PassiveTheory]

Summer Soulstice:

Friday:
(Lunch)
1:00 - 1:50 - Grizzly Bear
1:50-ish - 2:50 - Chromeo
2:50-ish - 3:50 - Asobi Seksu
4:00 - 5:10 - Blonde Redhead
(Dinner)
5:45 - 6:55 - Morcheeba
7:25 - 8:35 - The Postal Service
9:00 - 10:30 - Massive Attack
11:00 - 12:30 - Portishead
12:30-ish - 1:45 - Chemical Brothers

Disappointed about missing: Supreme Beings of Leisure, Interpol (TOTBL), The Magnetic Fields. I wonder who the Chem Bros' guests are...

Saturday:
(Lunch)
12:35 - 1:15 - Cold War Kids
1:15-ish - 2:15 - Ghostland Observatory
2:40 - 3:30 - The Gossip
3:30-ish - 4:30 - Teenage Fanclub
5:00 - 6:10 - Wilco
6:35 - 7:05 - Roxy Music
7:05-ish - 8:15 - Spiritualized
8:15-ish - 9:45 - The Flaming Lips
10:15- 12:15 - R.E.M.
12:15-ish - 1:30 - Underworld

Disappointed about missing: Everyone in the Harmonic Gardens besides Ghostland and Underworld, Rilo Kiley, Gnarls Barkley, The Shins... Jesus... On the bright side, there's so much to see that day that I didnt even find time for dinner!

Sunday:
(Lunch)
12:45 - 1:45 - The National
1:45-ish - 2:20 - The Clientele
2:40 - 3:30 - Shout Out Louds
3:30-ish - 4:45 - The Decemberists
4:50 - 6:10 - Belle and Sebastian (Something tells me that there shouldn't be a 5 minute changeover here, unless B&S are PLAYING with the Decemberists... Hmmmmmmm...)
6:30 - 7:45 - PJ Harvey
(Dinner)
8:15 - 9:00 - Muse
9:00-ish - 10:00 - Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
10:15 - 12:30 - The Cure
12:30-ish - 1:45 - Kraftwerk

Disappointed about missing: The Dresden Dolls, Junior Boys, Jarvis Cocker, Squarepusher, Autechre, and most of Muse

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Cascade:

Friday:
(Lunch)
1:30 - 2:30 - Simian Mobile Disco
2:30-ish - 3:30 - Grinderman (wtf is Nick Cave doing here so early?)
3:30-ish - 4:00 - Chromeo
4:30 - 5:30 - Hot Chip
6:00 - 7:00 - Junior Boys
(Dinner)
9:00 - 10:00 - Beck
10:00-ish - 11:00 - The Avalanches
12:30 - 1:30 - AC/DC

Disappointed about missing: Gogol Bordello (why couldn't they have played during the hour and a half gap between the Avalanches and AC/DC?)

Saturday:
(Lunch)
1:30 - 2:30 - Iron & Wine
3:00 - 4:00 - Andrew Bird
4:15 - 5:15 - Feist
5:30 - 6:30 - Royksopp
7:00 - 8:00 - Goldfrapp
8:30 - 9:30 - The National
9:30-ish - 10:30 - Devo (c'mon... It's fuckin Devo!)
(Dinner)
12:00 - 1:30 - Portishead

Disappointed about missing: Fiona Apple, Aesop Rock, Spoon, Okkervil River. Otherwise, this is a damn good day.

Sunday:
11:30 - 12:30 - Ghostland Observatory (might be sleeping though...)
(Lunch)
1:15 - 2:15 - Cat Power
3:15 - 4:15 - Belle & Sebastian (lol, the complete opposite of SS's changeover)
(Dinner)
*end of Soulwax*
6:30 - 7:30 - Lemon Jelly
8:00 - 9:00 - PJ Harvey
9:00-ish - 10:00 - EITS
11:00 - 12:30 - Spiritualized

Disappointed about missing: Mogwai, Doves (what the fuck are they doing playing at 10:45 in the morning?).

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Verdict: Summer Soulstice

Both festivals are great, but with the hour long waits on virtually every stage at some point on every night, and the fact that the film thing, while innovative, is very... Flimsy. I was kinda expecting a list of known directors and what-not participating in the festival, or at least a short-list of more than just 2 curators. That and, despite the fact that SS has more acts I'd miss that I'd be hurt about, SS has me on my toes the entire evening. And no ridiculous 1-5am headliners, what the fuck?

[breakjaw]

I'm voting for Cascade because it has Bowie,Prince AND Radiohead.















Just kidding.I like both festivals alot,and they've both done something right to make it this far without being pitted against Lighthouse.Summer Soulstice is a very nicely designed poster,with well-thought-out set-times AND Teenage Fanclub.That was great out of the box thinking right there.No-one else had that one.
I also really like the graphics on the Filmdome set-times for Cascade.I must admit to a slight disappointment with the Film School aspect as well.I don't know what I expected exactly,but this is where I expected to be wowed,and I'm not sure if I was.Still an original idea,though and that's worthy of reward.
Cascade.

[rage patton]

Im going with Summer Soulstice. The poster is well designed and easy to read. I think I also like the Summer Soulstice line up better.

[betao]

oo Sheeit, summer soulstice is catching up. SS might be my favorite festival. (other than mine)

[Somewhat Damaged]

Ooh, this one is awfully close. But for votes that actually count, it's not AS close. Cascade is winning 20-16. (IdiotequeThom indicated before that his votes count since he was involved in the contest. If that is not the case, then the tally is 19-16. Still too early to call.)

EDIT: Despite SS's surge, only one of its new votes actually counts, as the tally at the moment is 21-17. Man, this contest and the Pemberton/Summerfest one are being raided by n00bs who are fucking up the numbers.

[mountmccabe]

I am leaning towards Summer Soulstice. The Friday set-times are awful - personal clusterfuck before 3:45, nothing until 7:15, clusterfuck thereafter - but Saturday and Sunday turn out alright.

It is nice, theoretically, that Cascade offers music from 9 am to 5 am but that's unworkable over a three day weekend. Maybe they let you move freely between onsite camping and the performance stages; even then that doesn't sound like I could make up enough sleep to pay attention. So, say, come 2 pm on Sunday I'm going to look at having to choose between Mark Lanegan, Cat Power and Bat For Lashes with Brian Jonestown coming right up... I'm going to pick sleeping.

Also I don't want to try to make sense of those set-times cards again, which is a shame; the overall visual design is superior in every sense but readability.

[matsuolost]

really i just want cascade to lose haha

[PassiveTheory]

Holy crap it's close.

[Somewhat Damaged]

If IdiotequeThom's vote does indeed count, Cascade is surprisingly winning 22-21. What's with all the new people with 0-8 votes voting for Summer Soulstice? I haven't seen many of them voting in other contests. Things that make you go, "Hmm..."

[thelastgreatman]

Hahahaha, Gabe, take your Cascade festival and stick it up your ass. I'm voting against you JUST because of Vincent Gallo.

[Somewhat Damaged]

And it's officially all tied up! The tension builds...

EDIT: Although I know for a fact that Cascade isn't Gabe's festival.

[Boourns]

Cascade has a great lineup and unexpected location...I can totally understand why this round is so close.

[breakjaw]

PICK FLICK!