Albert Arnold Gore Jr. Wins to no one's surprise

**Tylerdurden31** · 10-12-2007, 06:29 AM

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071012/D8S7KOB82.html

maybe he'll run now...please

**RotationSlimWang** · 10-12-2007, 06:33 AM

"Please?" Are you Republican or something?

We're never going to get out of this never-ending cycle of right-wing fuckwits in charge unless the Dem supporters realize that they need someone with personality and balls--just being a good guy doesn't win shit. He couldn't beat a retard the first time around because he pussied out left and right, same way Kerry did. If they put up another pussy I'm deeming it the official beginning of the end of the glorious American democracy.

**Tylerdurden31** · 10-12-2007, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by RotationSlimWang

"Please?" Are you Republican or something?

We're never going to get out of this never-ending cycle of right-wing fuckwits in charge unless the Dem supporters realize that they need someone with personality and balls--just being a good guy doesn't win shit. He couldn't beat a retard the first time around because he pussied out left and right, same way Kerry did. If they put up another pussy I'm deeming it the official beginning of the end of the glorious American democracy.

I'm insulted...I'm not a Republican.

A. Gore is a better realistic choice than every Democratic candidate out there.
B. Gore is a better choice than the entire lot of Republican douchebags running.
C. He's a completely different person than he was in 2000.
D. A Gore/Obama ticket would fuck shit up.
E. American Democracy has been on it's way out SINCE 2000

**Yablonowitz** · 10-12-2007, 06:46 AM

He's not going to run.

**RotationSlimWang** · 10-12-2007, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by Tylerdurden31

I'm insulted...I'm not a Republican.

A. Gore is a better realistic choice than every Democratic candidate out there.
B. Gore is a better choice than the entire lot of Republican douchebags running.
C. He's a completely different person than he was in 2000.
D. A Gore/Obama ticket would fuck shit up.
E. American Democracy has been on it's way out SINCE 2000

I know you're not a Republican, but don't be insulted, I'm just saying that you're going about this all wrong. It's time that Democrats stopped picking who they think would be the best President necessarily and start picking someone who can BEAT THE REPUBLICANS, first and foremost. Gore had his chance and fucked it up by being too much of a nice guy, Kerry wasn't fierce enough and he was trying to beat Bush by being like Bush. Gore may seem like a different guy now, but he wasn't when it counted and the people who didn't vote for him the first time around will still see him as that.

I'm still not sure whether Obama is the kiss of death or not even though he seems like a possibility--dark skin still isn't "in" in America quite yet, I don't think. And yes, our democracy has been on the way out, but if they couldn't beat a retard in 2000 and couldn't beat that same retard now halfway into having fucked up majorly in 2004 and then still can't manage to screw up their nerve enough to take the fucking fire to the Republicans in 2008 when the country is ready and willing to blame the shit out of them... well that will mean we're truly screwed. The previous elections were signs of the demise to follow--it's only truly the collapse when you can't beat them even AFTER they've shown how much they suck.

**Yablonowitz** · 10-12-2007, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by RotationSlimWang

I know you're not a Republican, but don't be insulted, I'm just saying that you're going about this all wrong. It's time that Democrats stopped picking who they think would be the best President necessarily and start picking someone who can BEAT THE REPUBLICANS, first and foremost. Gore had his chance and fucked it up by being too much of a nice guy, Kerry wasn't fierce enough and he was trying to beat Bush by being like Bush. Gore may seem like a different guy now, but he wasn't when it counted and the people who didn't vote for him the first time around will still see him as that.

I'm still not sure whether Obama is the kiss of death or not even though he seems like a possibility--dark skin still isn't "in" in America quite yet, I don't think. And yes, our democracy has been on the way out, but if they couldn't beat a retard in 2000 and couldn't beat that same retard now halfway into having fucked up majorly in 2004 and then still can't manage to screw up their nerve enough to take the fucking fire to the Republicans in 2008 when the country is ready and willing to blame the shit out of them... well that will mean we're truly screwed. The previous elections were signs of the demise to follow--it's only truly the collapse when you can't beat them even AFTER they've shown how much they suck.

Well...I'm inclined to agree with you but I'm now being convinced that since the Democrats won't pony up and get someone who won't take shit, the Republicans are going to help us out by delving so deep into shit that even the most retarded citizen won't vote for someone with an (R) next to their name.

And let's not forget that, despite a lackluster strategy and methodology, the Democrats won every single contested Senate race and took the House over DESPITE all the fucked up gerrymandering that the GOP had put into place.

I don't know what that's going to mean for 08. It's going to be a long, painful, ride. I know that.

**TomAz** · 10-12-2007, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by RotationSlimWang

"Please?" Are you Republican or something?

We're never going to get out of this never-ending cycle of right-wing fuckwits in charge unless the Dem supporters realize that they need someone with personality and balls--just being a good guy doesn't win shit. He couldn't beat a retard the first time around because he pussied out left and right, same way Kerry did. If they put up another pussy I'm deeming it the official beginning of the end of the glorious American democracy.

Randy, you should read "1876" by Gore Vidal. You'll see that American democracy comes and goes throughout history. You think the 2000 election was rigged? read about the 1876 election. holy shit. electoral college voters bribed by the railroads to change their votes so that they (the railroads) could get free access to land across the west and make their billions.

**Tylerdurden31** · 10-12-2007, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by RotationSlimWang

It's time that Democrats stopped picking who they think would be the best President necessarily and start picking someone who can BEAT THE REPUBLICANS, first and foremost.

I know you're right, but it's fucking sad.

I feel like Clinton is gonna be just a Republican in Democrat's clothing.

Obama, unfortunately as you said, the people probably aren't ready for.

John Edwards...well...I dunno, I sorta liked him, but sometimes he just seems like another shitty politician.

Joe Biden's fuckin nuts.

Kucinich is too much of a socialist for most people.

Chris Dodd might be good, but no one's gonna vote for him.

Bill Richardson has been kinda all over the place.

Mike Gravel...I'd put that guy in office...he's fucking crazy in a good way.

The entire Republican line of candidates are such complete pieces of shit. Giuliani 9/11 is 9/11 a 9/11 lying 9/11 bastard 9/11 and 9/11 he 9/11 was 9/11 a 9/11 crap 9/11 mayor.9/11 9/11 9/11

Romney is great at telling people what they want to hear.

McCain shot himself in the foot a long time ago.

Huckabee's a nice guy, but no fucking way.

The rest of em are fucking crazy

**RotationSlimWang** · 10-12-2007, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by TomAz

Randy, you should read "1876" by Gore Vidal. You'll see that American democracy comes and goes throughout history. You think the 2000 election was rigged? read about the 1876 election. holy shit. electoral college voters bribed by the railroads to change their votes so that they (the railroads) could get free access to land across the west and make their billions.

I wasn't saying that the rigging of the 2000 election is why our democracy is fucked--elections have always been and will always be rigged. The truly scary part of these past couple elections is not the 1 or 2 percent that were tampered but the other 48 percent in Bush's favor that was definitely genuine. It's hard to find people that voted for him here in So Cal, but in Jersey there were fucking tons and it amazed me.

Democracy cannot be brought down by the politicians, only by the populous.

**J~$$$** · 10-12-2007, 07:08 AM

I would vote for Ron Paul.

**canexplain** · 10-12-2007, 07:10 AM

i disagree that gore couldnt win ... like said above, almost anyone could beat a republican the next time ... and that is what makes this sort of interesting .. if gore doesnt run, that to me means, here is this guy, that could be president of the US if he wanted, and he is turning it down ... i find that amazing ..... canx**

**Yablonowitz** · 10-12-2007, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by J~$$$

I would vote for Ron Paul.

Cuz of his whole pro-life stance or that he wants to build an actual wall along the Mexican border?

**Yablonowitz** · 10-12-2007, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by canexplain

i disagree that gore couldnt win ... like said above, almost anyone could beat a republican the next time ... and that is what makes this sort of interesting .. if gore doesnt run, that to me means, here is this guy, that could be president of the US if he wanted, and he is turning it down ... i find that amazing ..... canx**

He's not going to run.

**RotationSlimWang** · 10-12-2007, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by canexplain

almost anyone could beat a republican the next time ...

This is exactly why the Dems are going to lose again. Nothing against you of course, Ron--you know I'm with you--but thinking like that is giving far too much credit to our fellow Americans, sorry.

**J~$$$** · 10-12-2007, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by Yablonowitz

Cuz of his whole pro-life stance or that he wants to build an actual wall along the Mexican border?

This is only if I had to vote for a republican. He is the only one that tells it like it is......he is honest in his stance from what I can see.

**Tylerdurden31** · 10-12-2007, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by J~$$$

This is only if I had to vote for a republican. He is the only one that tells it like it is......he is honest in his stance from what I can see.

I'd like to see Mike Gravel and Ron Paul have a debate

**Yablonowitz** · 10-12-2007, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by RotationSlimWang

This is exactly why the Dems are going to lose again. Nothing against you of course, Ron--you know I'm with you--but thinking like that is giving far too much credit to our fellow Americans, sorry.

I'm not sure anymore. Do you see Guiliani, Thompson, McCain or Romney winning?

Romney's out. Better to be a woman or a minority than be a Mormon.

McCain? I can't even see him winning the nomination and once he gets to the general election, he'll have twisted himself up like a demented pretzel that it would take entire stump speeches to just clarify and explain all his contradictions.

Thompson? By all accounts of late, he's too slow and dull and lacks any sort of coherent message to excite the loyal retarded Republicans.

Guiliani? Two main obstacles that I see - if he wins the nomination, social conservatives will bow out in droves or support a third party. GOP can't win without them. Plus, I think if he's paired against Hillary Clinton, he'll look like more of a fucking cocksucker than he already does - I don't know how to put that into a rational argument, but the guy's social life and persona contrasted with Hillary's just spells doom for him. In my eyes.

There aren't any other options for the Republicans.

I'm not saying this is a lock or that I'm 100% sure of this. But at this point in time, if I were to guess who is most likely to win the presidency in 2008, it seems to me, as hard as it is for even ME to believe it, I would say it's Hillary Clinton.

I think people, myself included, are underestimating her campaign skills and forget that she is schooled in the art of attack response campaigning.

**RotationSlimWang** · 10-12-2007, 07:33 AM

Social conservatives? Meaning the Christian Right? You really think they'll stop supporting the Republican ticket because the man's been a philanderer and has multiple marriages? Dude, their religious leaders get caught in scandals left and fucking right, they're not going to give up the incredible power they have working within the Republican Party to go support a third-party, much less a liberal.

The reason why the Republican support base is infinitely more effective is that they have no problem ignoring the failings of the people they support to represent the principles they claim to value. I'm not saying that Guiliani will be the one, although it wouldn't surprise me, but don't think for a fucking second that the Bible Belt is going to stop humping the Republican ticket.

**canexplain** · 10-12-2007, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by RotationSlimWang

This is exactly why the Dems are going to lose again. Nothing against you of course, Ron--you know I'm with you--but thinking like that is giving far too much credit to our fellow Americans, sorry.

lets put it this way, i have voted for the person that lost everytime i have voted i think (cept once i think), so i know there is a lot to what you are saying, but if we lose this one, we deserve it ... canx**

**TomAz** · 10-12-2007, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by RotationSlimWang

I wasn't saying that the rigging of the 2000 election is why our democracy is fucked--elections have always been and will always be rigged. The truly scary part of these past couple elections is not the 1 or 2 percent that were tampered but the other 48 percent in Bush's favor that was definitely genuine. It's hard to find people that voted for him here in So Cal, but in Jersey there were fucking tons and it amazed me.

Democracy cannot be brought down by the politicians, only by the populous.

so you're saying democracy failed because a substantial portion of the population actually had the gall to have a viewpoint that differs from your own? that democracy is only 'working' when your side wins?

you were on such a roll the last couple days, randy.

**RotationSlimWang** · 10-12-2007, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by TomAz

so you're saying democracy failed because a substantial portion of the population actually had the gall to have a viewpoint that differs from your own? that democracy is only 'working' when your side wins?

you were on such a roll the last couple days, randy.

Neither side is my side. I'd say that our democracy is clearly on its downswing when the populous is actively supporting a complete moron doing his best to send us along the path of the decline of an empire. The politicians alone cannot make us go the route of Rome faster--the people must be compliant.

**Yablonowitz** · 10-12-2007, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by RotationSlimWang

The reason why the Republican support base is infinitely more effective is that they have no problem ignoring the failings of the people they support to represent the principles they claim to value. I'm not saying that Guiliani will be the one, although it wouldn't surprise me, but don't think for a fucking second that the Bible Belt is going to stop humping the Republican ticket.

Guiliani, if I'm not mistaken, is pro-choice. Have we even had a pro-choice Republican candidate run in the past 20 years? I don't think Bush Sr. was really concerned about it, but he never openly claimed to be pro-choice. Other than that....I can't think of anyone.

And there HAS been talk from some social conservatives to push for a third party candidate if Guiliani wins the nomination.

But the main effect that this would have, as I see it, is to dampen turnout when it was energized in 2000 and 2004 because of Rove's deal with the devil political strategy. Florida and Ohio would be most affected by a reduction in turnout by the religious right.

And if you want to talk about a demographic that is solidly loyal in voting regardless of the lack of attention to issues of importance to them, well...the African American community has got the social conservatives beat in that arena by an exponential factor.

**RotationSlimWang** · 10-12-2007, 08:13 AM

Talk is talk--those people aren't going to give up their power just to prove a point.

As far as the black vote goes... um, okay, I guess? I'm not really sure what you're getting at. That they accept the fact that Dems won't do all that much for them because they know Repubs won't do fucking anything at all, not even attempt to court their vote? Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

**Deviate_420** · 10-12-2007, 08:24 AM

Gore would not run against Clinton...

**Tylerdurden31** · 10-12-2007, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Deviate_420

Gore would not run against Clinton...

why not?

**Yablonowitz** · 10-12-2007, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by RotationSlimWang

Talk is talk--those people aren't going to give up their power just to prove a point.

As far as the black vote goes... um, okay, I guess? I'm not really sure what you're getting at. That they accept the fact that Dems won't do all that much for them because they know Repubs won't do fucking anything at all, not even attempt to court their vote? Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

Right - and that's the same thing Christian conservatives do.

I'm not making a point other than to say that blacks in the Democratic party are far more loyal than Christian conservatives, despite being taken for granted for years.

I shouldn't have mentioned it, wasn't really part of an argument. Whether or not conservatives would support a third party candidate isn't really the main reason I think Guiliani would suffer in the election. He would be far more damaged by the lack of enthusiasm and turnout that would occur...unless he plays to them in which case he loses a substantial portion of middle of the roaders who are already leaning to the Democrats.

**miscorrections** · 10-12-2007, 08:43 AM

since the democrats are sucky and the republicans are beyond the pale, i'm inclined to throw my vote away and vote third party.

**J~$$$** · 10-12-2007, 08:52 AM

If your going to throw it away vote for kucinich.

**algunz** · 10-12-2007, 08:56 AM

I'm writing Ron in on my ballot.

**canexplain** · 10-12-2007, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by algunz

I'm writing Ron in on my ballot.

well tnx lol ...jk ... ron**

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