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    Because the EU won't sell it to American prisons anymore.

    Sheldurrr is correct; the CNN video said two drugs, they briefly considered using two drugs, and other states are now using two drugs, but it was actually three used yesterday: http://m.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/0...-drug-protocol
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    Versed is a terrible drug to use to kill. The dose is so dependent of the person getting it based on their cardiac output and rate of metabolism. It's really a waste too of you use a high potency narcotic like dilaudid or fentanyl. Phenobarbital was an ideal drug to use, however all this "new morality" by pharmaceutical companies is making it too hard to do one really simple thing well, rub motherfuckers out.

    Also the whole being baffled and appalled by the death process is really some weak ass pansy bullshit. It is rarely all peaceful and wonderful with puppies and flower covered hills. Death is gruesome to watch, bodies reject the notion that they stop working. The autonomic response after cardiac and respiratory arrest looks just like it should.

    1. Bolus Propofol until unconsciousness/respiratory arrest.

    2. Bolus Potassium Chloride until cardiac arrest.

    3. Say a prayer for the executioner.

    It's not that hard, Oklahoma.
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    There's a nation wide propofol shortage. Won't happen. Also since it's short acting and rapidly reversable, poor choice when vein patently may be an issue.
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    Honestly, why the fuck can't we just give them a massive dose of fentanyl? Let the cocksuckers go out on a high note.
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    Quote Originally Posted by koryp View Post
    Versed is a terrible drug to use to kill. The dose is so dependent of the person getting it based on their cardiac output and rate of metabolism. It's really a waste too of you use a high potency narcotic like dilaudid or fentanyl. Phenobarbital was an ideal drug to use, however all this "new morality" by pharmaceutical companies is making it too .
    Docs have to give me at minimum 3-4 times a normal dose of versed for me to feel anything. They used to do my bronchoscopies under sedation as opposed to general anesthesia and there were several instances where I came to due to not enough of the versed and morphine concoction. They would be hitting me with 30+mg's of morphine on top of the triple dose of versed. Good times.

    Edit, Randy bait: shit, I was on 2mg of dilaudid every 2 hours last time I was in the hospital. I would be a hard one to kill via lethal injection.
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    Fun fact: gunz is probably innumerate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by koryp View Post
    There's a nation wide propofol shortage. Won't happen. Also since it's short acting and rapidly reversable, poor choice when vein patently may be an issue.
    I'm sure the state of Oklahoma could locate a bottle or two.

    Yes, it's short acting but apnea is easily induced even at "therapeutic" doses, never mind a generously calculated overdose.

    Vein patency should never be an issue when the state decides to end the life of one of it's citizens.
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    your really enjoying that.

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    Opposed to capital punishment. No exceptions.

    C'mon, I'm from Massachusetts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustSteve View Post
    Docs have to give me at minimum 3-4 times a normal dose of versed for me to feel anything. They used to do my bronchoscopies under sedation as opposed to general anesthesia and there were several instances where I came to due to not enough of the versed and morphine concoction. They would be hitting me with 30+mg's of morphine on top of the triple dose of versed. Good times.

    Edit, Randy bait: shit, I was on 2mg of dilaudid every 2 hours last time I was in the hospital. I would be a hard one to kill via lethal injection.
    Fentanyl is 40x stronger than dilaudid. I don't even think there is an injection form of it because it's so potent. Shoot somebody up with 1000 mg of Fentanyl, their respiratory system will be down within 15 minutes flat.
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    Wouldn't take that long.
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    To die completely, yeah it would. Opiate death is not quick, even when it's a LOT of opiate. It's not like in the movies, you slowly--but peacefully--asphyxiate as your breaths just get shallower and shallower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thelastgreatman View Post
    Fentanyl is 40x stronger than dilaudid. I don't even think there is an injection form of it because it's so potent. Shoot somebody up with 1000 mg of Fentanyl, their respiratory system will be down within 15 minutes flat.
    I've been on those damn patches and they did nothing when I broke my rib. My doc always fought prescribing them because he was worried id begin hallucinating and having other issues. Think I was on the 50mcg dose. I was actually excited about getting that out of it, haha.

    And yes, there is an injectable form. Have had it post op in the past. Given in very small doses though, measured in mcg as opposed to mg.
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    1000 mg =1,000,000 micrograms.

    That's enough Fentanyl to induce respiratory arrest for a platoon of junkies.
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    States aren't using Propofol in executions for fear that the EU will ben its import to the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by santasutt View Post
    1. Bolus Propofol until unconsciousness/respiratory arrest.

    2. Bolus Potassium Chloride until cardiac arrest.

    3. Say a prayer for the executioner.

    It's not that hard, Oklahoma.
    Snow them Propofol/Fentanyl/Ketamine concoction so they have no chance of feeling anything.
    Sux/Rocuronium to make them stop breathing/moving.
    Potassium Chloride to make sure the job is done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thelastgreatman View Post
    To die completely, yeah it would. Opiate death is not quick, even when it's a LOT of opiate. It's not like in the movies, you slowly--but peacefully--asphyxiate as your breaths just get shallower and shallower.
    I had major surgery a number of years back, and accidentally self administered too much morpheine (sp?) with a button pump thing. I ended up breathing so infrequently and so shallow that a nurse sat up with me all night and I had fits of panic, waking up gasping after not breathing and panicking because I couldn't breathe. It was scary and not peaceful at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thelastgreatman View Post
    Fentanyl is 40x stronger than dilaudid. I don't even think there is an injection form of it because it's so potent. Shoot somebody up with 1000 mg of Fentanyl, their respiratory system will be down within 15 minutes flat.
    There is injectible fentanyl. It's in mcg though. Injecting them with that much wouldn't take that long. It would be a race between the respiratory depression and hypotension that would kill them.
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    Santasutt is an actual doctor, by the way.
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    I'm sure the state of Oklahoma could locate a bottle or two.

    Yes, it's short acting but apnea is easily induced even at "therapeutic" doses, never mind a generously calculated overdose.

    Vein patency should never be an issue when the state decides to end the life of one of it's citizens.
    Yet in at least three less that ideal killings that I recall it has been suspect or outright cited as the cause. I think a grand for a couple of PICC insertions or a nice TLC is in order, but as you know, the current climate of disdain by the healthcare community for participating in capital punishment does not exactly encourage the brightest minds to take part in the planning and execution of the execution.

    I don't necessarily think the old Barb/Succ/kcl method was perfect but it was effective. Fucking pansies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaxspear View Post
    There is injectible fentanyl. It's in mcg though. Injecting them with that much wouldn't take that long. It would be a race between the respiratory depression and hypotension that would kill them.
    There's not enough redundancy in this. You sound like you know at least enough about these drugs to know that some people can ride out the respiratory and hemodynamic depression and recover enough to prolong the dying process to the point of causing disturbance for the audience or worse, simply start spontaneous respiration and just hang in there. I've seen up to 300 mcgs metabolized by a patient in less than 10 minutes to the point that spontaneous respirations returned. I have no problem imagining a cockroach out there that could take a gram and come up smiles after a while. Killing should always be done without doubt.
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    ...maybe he's just an anesthesiologist or something...

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    Maybe they should just shoot them in the head, like someone said earlier. I am completely against capital punishment, but if they are going to do it, they should do it as quickly and painlessly as possible. This latest botched death was so awful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by koryp View Post
    There's not enough redundancy in this. You sound like you know at least enough about these drugs to know that some people can ride out the respiratory and hemodynamic depression and recover enough to prolong the dying process to the point of causing disturbance for the audience or worse, simply start spontaneous respiration and just hang in there. I've seen up to 300 mcgs metabolized by a patient in less than 10 minutes to the point that spontaneous respirations returned. I have no problem imagining a cockroach out there that could take a gram and come up smiles after a while. Killing should always be done without doubt.
    Yeah a gram "should" kill almost everyone, but there are always exceptions. That's why my ideal cocktail would be Fent/ketamine to snow them long enough for the sux and kcl to do the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amyzzz View Post
    Maybe they should just shoot them in the head, like someone said earlier. I am completely against capital punishment, but if they are going to do it, they should do it as quickly and painlessly as possible. This latest botched death was so awful.
    That's not always effective either.

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    If you want to read a recent account of a firing squad execution, Utah has you covered. It sounds pretty horrifying in all of its clinical detail to me, and reinforces my belief that there's no decent way for the state to kill one of its citizens.

    A narrative account here.
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