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    The strong and tough Democrats

    The Washington Post's Fred Hiatt has spent the last several years demanding that Democrats show their Seriousness by capitulating to most Bush "terrorism" policies. He is the type of pundit about which Democratic consultants fret so deeply when they advise their clients not to defy Bush's will. But even Hiatt sees the Democrats' weekend capitulation on FISA for exactly what it is, and expresses it clearly in a remarkably good Editorial this morning -- entitled "Warrantless Surrender":

    THE DEMOCRATIC-led Congress, more concerned with protecting its political backside than with safeguarding the privacy of American citizens, left town early yesterday after caving in to administration demands that it allow warrantless surveillance of the phone calls and e-mails of American citizens, with scant judicial supervision and no reporting to Congress about how many communications are being intercepted.
    To call this legislation ill-considered is to give it too much credit: It was scarcely considered at all. Instead, it was strong-armed through both chambers by an administration that seized the opportunity to write its warrantless wiretapping program into law -- or, more precisely, to write it out from under any real legal restrictions.
    Administration officials, backed up by their Republican enablers in Congress, argued that they were being dangerously hamstrung in their ability to collect foreign-to-foreign communications by suspected terrorists that happen to transit through the United States. The problem is that while no serious person objects to intercepting foreign-to-foreign communications, what the administration sought -- and what it managed to obtain -- allows much more than foreign-to-foreign contacts. The government will now be free to intercept any communications believed to be from outside the United States (including from Americans overseas) that involve "foreign intelligence" -- not just terrorism. It will be able to monitor phone calls and e-mails of U.S. citizens or residents without warrants -- unless the subject is the "primary target" of the surveillance.
    Instead of having the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court ensure that surveillance is being done properly, with monitoring of Americans minimized, that job would be up to the attorney general and the director of national intelligence. The court's role is reduced to that of rubber stamp. . . .
    Democrats could have stuck to their guns and insisted on their version. Instead, nervous about being blamed for any terrorist attack and eager to get out of town, they accepted the unacceptable. Most Democrats opposed the measure, but enough (16 in the Senate, 41 in the House) went with Republicans to allow it to pass, and the leadership enabled that result.
    In the NYT, James Risen, the reporter who first revealed the existence of the NSA program, described the legislation as one which "broadly expanded the government's authority to eavesdrop on the international telephone calls and e-mail messages of American citizens without warrants." As Hiatt also pointed out, Risen explained that "its impact went far beyond the small fixes that administration officials had said were needed to gather information about foreign terrorists," and instead, "the new law for the first time provided a legal framework for much of the surveillance without warrants that was being conducted in secret by the National Security Agency and outside." Risen quoted the excellent Kate Martin, director of the Center for National Security Studies in Washington, saying: "This more or less legalizes the N.S.A. program."


    Prior to the November, 2006 elections, the Bush administration tried desperately to force the Congress to enact new FISA legislation to legalize warrantless eavesdropping. The Democrats resisted just enough to prevent its enactment. Karl Rove and Republicans generally then ran around the country exploiting that obstructionism in order to accuse Democrats of being "soft on terror" and "wanting to prevent the President from listening in when Osama calls," the Republicans were crushed in that election, and Democrats obtained an historic victory. In the not-blue state of Montana, Jon Tester defeated an incumbant GOP Senator by running on a platform of repealing the Patriot Act in its entirety. Wouldn't the most basic rationality compel Democrats to draw the conclusion that this rank Terrorism fear-mongering does not actually work?

    Yet here they are, after refusing to legalize warrantless eavesdropping prior to their midterm victory, allowing this legislation to pass now that they are in the majority. It is as politically self-destructive as it is unconscionable on the merits.
    While the premise of this behavior is that Democrats must avoid appearing "soft" and "weak," one article after the next describes their behavior as "surrendering," "capitulating," "bowing to pressure," "caving in" and "suffering defeat" -- all at the hands of a weakened, isolated and pervasively despised lame duck President whose political party is in shambles. The worst thing one can be in American politics and American culture generally is a loser, and Democrats perpetually turn themselves into losers and convince themselves when doing so that they are appearing "strong" and "tough."

    What makes this all the more appalling is that it was so easily avoidable. All Democrats had to do was offer legislation to fix the only real gap in FISA and then demand that the President sign it or risk a Terrorist attack. They could have gone on the offensive ahead of time by crafting the legislation and then made it their own cause to demand that the President sign it immediately in order to fix this problem and protect us from the Terrorists.

    But they did none of that. They waited around, as always, with no aim and no strategy and no principle and no belief and allowed the President to dictate their behavior and control the debate. It is exactly what they have done on every virtually major issue over the last six years -- from Iraq to the Military Commissions Act to the Alito nomination to the whole slew of still-secret surveillance programs that they meekly allow to remain undisclosed, even to them.

    In the process, they gutted the few existing restrictions on the government's power to spy on us. They revitalized the GOP base which is revelling in their Victory and dispirited and infuriated their own base. They revealed themselves, yet again, as weak and principle-free as they are politically inept. And even Fred Hiatt sees all of that.
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    If anyone raped or molested my wife or child i'd off them myself so I guess it doesn't matter. If you don't feel those type of emotions in that situation then that is you and in my opinion makes you a twisted person from a twisted state (UTAH) if that is where your from!

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    I'd like the entire government to be replaced. Everyone's pissing me off now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tylerdurden31 View Post
    I'd like the entire government to be replaced. Everyone's pissing me off now.
    Seriously, I thought the Democrats would get their acts together but they got as much special interest as the Republicans do. It is funny that the bill to get a higher MPG on cars didn't pass when you have a Senator from Michigan on the head of the energy committee and the Big 3 auto makers in his pocket.
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    Congress recesses amid Democratic achievements
    Sun Aug 5, 2007 9:01 AM EDT

    That would be welcome news for a Congress that this year has seen its public approval ratings dip even below Bush's chronically low polling. A Pew Research Center survey released on Thursday said Bush scored a 29 percent approval rating, while Democratic leaders were at a similarly lethargic 33 percent.

    this is only part of the story but the headline is awesome considering the approval rating. not too far off from bush's rating. i love the news today.

    these are fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marooko View Post
    Congress recesses amid Democratic achievements
    Sun Aug 5, 2007 9:01 AM EDT

    That would be welcome news for a Congress that this year has seen its public approval ratings dip even below Bush's chronically low polling. A Pew Research Center survey released on Thursday said Bush scored a 29 percent approval rating, while Democratic leaders were at a similarly lethargic 33 percent.

    this is only part of the story but the headline is awesome considering the approval rating. not too far off from bush's rating. i love the news today.

    these are fun.

    if you dont want to work, become a reporter. that awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse.
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    That is a epic Malcolm X quote..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ByTheWay, View Post
    If anyone raped or molested my wife or child i'd off them myself so I guess it doesn't matter. If you don't feel those type of emotions in that situation then that is you and in my opinion makes you a twisted person from a twisted state (UTAH) if that is where your from!

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    come to the DNC here in denver next summer, i keep telling eveyone, we are going to have riots ... just like chicago 68 ... this is going to be fun cr****

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    Quote Originally Posted by canexplain View Post
    come to the DNC here in denver next summer, i keep telling eveyone, we are going to have riots ... just like chicago 68 ... this is going to be fun cr****
    the crap part about this is I will be working in the hotels downtown. so it is going to be hell....
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    what hotel do you work for?

    and what kind of discount can you get for me in other cities if possible.......please?

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    Whenever party politics starts to be brought up I always think back to the genius that is Bill Hicks.

    "I'll show you politics in America right here," Hicks told audiences, miming like a puppet master.

    'I believe the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.'

    'Well, I believe the puppet on the left is more to my liking.'

    Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding up both puppets!

    "Go back to bed, America, your government is in control. Here's Love Connection, watch this and get fat and stupid. By the way, keep drinking beer.'"
    A teenage dream, so hard to beat...

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    what hotel do you work for?
    I used to work at The Curtis and now I am switching over to the Adam's Mark. More $$$
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Peel is My Co-pilot View Post
    Whenever party politics starts to be brought up I always think back to the genius that is Bill Hicks.

    "I'll show you politics in America right here," Hicks told audiences, miming like a puppet master.

    'I believe the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.'

    'Well, I believe the puppet on the left is more to my liking.'

    Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding up both puppets!

    "Go back to bed, America, your government is in control. Here's Love Connection, watch this and get fat and stupid. By the way, keep drinking beer.'"
    Genius..
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    Quote Originally Posted by J~$$$ View Post
    what hotel do you work for?

    and what kind of discount can you get for me in other cities if possible.......please?
    I lived and worked in the Las Vegas hotels..I still have hotel manager friends at the Monte Carlo and Mandalay Bay. And one of my family members is going to be going to the Venetian so there's another one.
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    hmmmmmm............did I ever tell you that I love you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J~$$$ View Post
    hmmmmmm............did I ever tell you that I love you.
    No, you just use me for all the sex.
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    Stop being a pussy should be the answer to all of life's problems. It has worked for me so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canexplain View Post
    come to the DNC here in denver next summer, i keep telling eveyone, we are going to have riots ... just like chicago 68 ... this is going to be fun cr****
    The only difference is they're going to wiretap your ass and throw you in jail before you get there.
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    If anyone raped or molested my wife or child i'd off them myself so I guess it doesn't matter. If you don't feel those type of emotions in that situation then that is you and in my opinion makes you a twisted person from a twisted state (UTAH) if that is where your from!

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    are you planning on going to vegas anytime soon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yablonowitz View Post
    The only difference is they're going to wiretap your ass and throw you in jail before you get there.
    Oh christ, who knows who we are going to have in the hotel...i will have to keep my rhetoric at home....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yablonowitz View Post
    The only difference is they're going to wiretap your ass and throw you in jail before you get there.
    they did for the 68 convention, throw my ass in jail, well the football stadium anyway .. and here it will be 40 years later .... seems apre pro sp .... cr****

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    Quote Originally Posted by canexplain View Post
    they did for the 68 convention, throw my ass in jail, well the football stadium anyway .. and here it will be 40 years later .... seems apre pro sp .... cr****
    Quote Originally Posted by ByTheWay, View Post
    If anyone raped or molested my wife or child i'd off them myself so I guess it doesn't matter. If you don't feel those type of emotions in that situation then that is you and in my opinion makes you a twisted person from a twisted state (UTAH) if that is where your from!

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    I want one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamCoachellaHellYeah View Post
    Seriously, I thought the Democrats would get their acts together but they got as much special interest as the Republicans do. It is funny that the bill to get a higher MPG on cars didn't pass when you have a Senator from Michigan on the head of the energy committee and the Big 3 auto makers in his pocket.
    i posted my comment to shed light on the idea above. i didint read the above post above before i made my post.

    i myself wasnt thinking the dems were gonna get it together, i was under the impression that it was just their turn up at bat in a game "we" are losing. was i right?

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    That is a epic Malcolm X quote..

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    Quote Originally Posted by marooko View Post
    i posted my comment to shed light on the idea above. i didint read the above post above before i made my post.

    i myself wasnt thinking the dems were gonna get it together, i was under the impression that it was just their turn up at bat in a game "we" are losing. was i right?



    have to think about that one... ya, it is our turn, and will we screw it up as bad as the reps, i think not, but time will telll .. come to denver 08 ... make your voice known.. cr****

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yablonowitz View Post
    thats funny, i have no clue what it means, but it works .... come on gang, let make the dnc 08 one to remember ... cr****

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Peel is My Co-pilot View Post
    Whenever party politics starts to be brought up I always think back to the genius that is Bill Hicks.

    "I'll show you politics in America right here," Hicks told audiences, miming like a puppet master.

    'I believe the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.'

    'Well, I believe the puppet on the left is more to my liking.'

    Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding up both puppets!

    "Go back to bed, America, your government is in control. Here's Love Connection, watch this and get fat and stupid. By the way, keep drinking beer.'"
    The last seven years have made me wish more than ever that Hicks was still alive.
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    God, I hate the democrats and the republicans just about equally now.

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