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barrett90
05-03-2007, 04:06 AM
..,

special44
05-03-2007, 04:09 AM
Why do you care? Get a life : )

I-predict-a-riot
05-03-2007, 12:31 PM
I saw a ton of these douches, heres a tip, if your countries culture is so indistinguishable from ours that you have to wear its fucking flag around so people know you are from there, you should probably reevaluate your whole life situation. Nobody is impressed to meet a Canadian,you aren't exotic or interesting, you just like hockey and pronounce words like "about" funny.

you're a fool!

kb824
05-03-2007, 12:35 PM
God forbid a Canadian leave their country without at least one flag and a few flag shirts... Jesus you guys, you were in Southern California... If only you guys knew how dumb you looked... Haha...

dethroned
05-03-2007, 01:02 PM
Agreed. God forbid anyone for even a millisecond might think they were American.:dumbo

miscorrections
05-03-2007, 01:03 PM
hey, i like canadians. they're nice fellas.

Senor Cardgage
05-03-2007, 01:37 PM
I have no problem with this, but heres an interesting anecdote....

In 94, we saw Tragically Hip play (great band BTW), anyhoo there were tons of Canadian flags in the crowd. Gordon Downie actually made a point to address this, saying that he thought it was very wrong to fly your flag in another country as it was really disrespectful, tacky and arrogant.

Just sayin.

roberto73
05-03-2007, 01:41 PM
I saw a ton of these douches, heres a tip, if your countries culture is so indistinguishable from ours that you have to wear its fucking flag around so people know you are from there, you should probably reevaluate your whole life situation. Nobody is impressed to meet a Canadian,you aren't exotic or interesting, you just like hockey and pronounce words like "about" funny.

Spoken like a true American.

Jakewc151
05-03-2007, 03:09 PM
I totally disagree with the poster. All of the Canadians I hung out with at the Festival were awesome! I've lived in California all my life and have never found such a big group of people who have been so fucking funny and outrageous. Canadians kick ass!

fatbastard
05-03-2007, 03:10 PM
http://www.rebelreviewer.com/graphics/Kid%20Rock%20-%2009-11-04%20Kid%20Canada%20Flag.JPG

jm_2thow
05-03-2007, 05:46 PM
all the canadians i met were really nice guys, actually most everybody i met was nice

JOEJOEJOE
05-03-2007, 05:55 PM
I saw a ton of these douches, heres a tip, if your countries culture is so indistinguishable from ours that you have to wear its fucking flag around so people know you are from there, you should probably reevaluate your whole life situation. Nobody is impressed to meet a Canadian,you aren't exotic or interesting, you just like hockey and pronounce words like "about" funny.

And people wonder why Americans are disliked on such a global scale.

Try going to a European festival where there are many indistinguishable nationalities....many people wear their flags!

Talk about being a douche!

gaypalmsprings
05-03-2007, 05:57 PM
maybe they were homeless & had no clothes

Geno_g
05-03-2007, 05:58 PM
SOOO many hosers at the campground you can hear them drinking all night and saying Ehhh! after every word.

Sari.e
05-03-2007, 06:49 PM
Spoken like a true American.


Indeed

hitthenorth
05-03-2007, 08:10 PM
Well I'm supprised you're moaning about flag waving. I was in California for two weeks, travelled 2200 miles and I've got to say that I've never seen so many flags. I mean, what's the point in waving your own flag in your own country? Yeah, some folk seem to love it back in the UK too but what's the point?

I didn't take a flag to Coachella by the way.

Grumble grumble.

kamikaze
05-03-2007, 11:00 PM
But you've got to admit, the Canadians brought the heat this year, lets not forget about Canada's little secret weapon, The Arcade Fire, ehh.

snowgirl_69
05-04-2007, 02:02 PM
I loved all of the Canadians I met....so friendly, chilled out and fun...get a life!!!!

anonimouse
05-04-2007, 02:20 PM
Grumble grumble.

http://zelda.gamesmemories.com/images/tloz/scrshots/tloz_279.gif

brava
05-04-2007, 10:18 PM
wow, i had a small flag on my head, but i never took it to the extreme like a huge flag around my body like others did. I only brought it out to show I came from canada, nothing more, nothing less. I loved california, texas too!
I am from toronto and think americans and canadians are north americans, just different presidents, hehe.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/brava/Coachella%202007/meji.jpg

Hannahrain
05-04-2007, 10:36 PM
This message is hidden because barrett90 is an ignorant douchenozzle.

Quoted. For. Truth.

brava
05-05-2007, 11:02 AM
hahaha, i guess so

eighthundred
05-05-2007, 11:33 AM
as an american, it annoys me when americans go to other countries and wave american flags. it's just stupid patriotic stuff that creates divisions.

it also annoys me when canadians or anyone else go around waving their flag in another country.

just stop the patriotic crap. nobody cares where you're from. i wouldn't ever run around england waving my flag. what am i trying to do, claim territory for america?

Quentin
05-05-2007, 11:52 AM
I saw a ton of these douches, heres a tip, if your countries culture is so indistinguishable from ours that you have to wear its fucking flag around so people know you are from there, you should probably reevaluate your whole life situation. Nobody is impressed to meet a Canadian,you aren't exotic or interesting, you just like hockey and pronounce words like "about" funny.


Dude, seriously whats with the hostility? Back the fuck off. It doesn't affect you in anyway if someone wears the canadian flag or not. Stop being a douche bag and leave them alone.

That being said, I love canadians. They're nice, and you have great poutine.

And the best chocolate milk I ever had :D

wisconsinboozer
05-05-2007, 12:04 PM
whats wrong with representing your country?

brava
05-05-2007, 12:30 PM
as an american, it annoys me when americans go to other countries and wave american flags. it's just stupid patriotic stuff that creates divisions.

it also annoys me when canadians or anyone else go around waving their flag in another country.

just stop the patriotic crap. nobody cares where you're from. i wouldn't ever run around england waving my flag. what am i trying to do, claim territory for america?

Patriotic crap? wow, america is amazing at that, we hardly see canadian flags here in canada. I see nothing wrong with taking a flag or something to show where you have come from... especially for a festival where so many visitors come from many coutnries. In fact, patriotic never crossed my mind when I took a small canadian flag.

wisconsinboozer
05-05-2007, 12:36 PM
its a good way for other canadians to meet up...

sonofhal
05-05-2007, 01:08 PM
But you've got to admit, the Canadians brought the heat this year, I mean did you see CSS? And lets not forget about Canada's little secret weapon, The Arcade Fire, ehh.

Are you saying there was a lot of Canadians watching, because i'm pretty sure the band (CSS) are from Brazil.

..and the singer from the Arcade Fire was born in Texas, although he lives in Canada.

ediger
05-05-2007, 02:17 PM
I saw a ton of these douches, heres a tip, if your countries culture is so indistinguishable from ours that you have to wear its fucking flag around so people know you are from there, you should probably reevaluate your whole life situation. Nobody is impressed to meet a Canadian,you aren't exotic or interesting, you just like hockey and pronounce words like "about" funny.

wow. Way to fulfill the ignorant American douchebag sterotype.

If you wear a flag or your cities hockey jersey, it starts hundreds of conversations. Canadians love meeting people, especially each other and it's a good way to start a conversation.

Lets not mention the fact that when you travel, especially through Europe, Canadians are generally treated with far more respect. Not all that fair, but it's reality. So distinguishing yourself as Canadian really does have it's advantages.

kamikaze
05-05-2007, 02:20 PM
My misinformation love, you are right about CSS, but, I did in fact see quite a few Canadians where I was dancing. And yes Win and William were born in Texas, but I mean The Arcade Fire didn't actually come together until he met Regine in Montreal, and they have pretty much adopted Canada as their home and French as their whole schpeal so, come on, don't be petty. And by that account then we could even say they are a Haitian band (by way of Regine), so yeah.

woogie846
05-05-2007, 02:30 PM
Maybe it was a large group of people who all came down together and it was an easy way of finding each other after sets. Like, after The New Pornographers and the Nightwatchman, they'd wave their flags to find each other since cell phones weren't working very well.

sonofhal
05-05-2007, 02:32 PM
I have to be petty. It's my thing. Without it, i have nothing......

scrodpiece
05-05-2007, 03:30 PM
while it doesnt upset me, i have always thought it weird this thing canadians have about wearing their flag abroad. There is a lot of flag waving in the US, but I've never seen an american wearing stars and stripes paraphernalia outside of the US. I try as much as possible to not look american when traveling, even hold my passport so as to hide the color while in line at the airport (though the non-EU lines are kind of a giveaway)

but canadians don't seem to mind looking canadian-- with their maple leaves and Roots shirts, ha. Though I guess we're both trying to do the same thing:
Make sure no one thinks we're American

tibu1
05-05-2007, 03:38 PM
I saw a ton of these douches, heres a tip, if your countries culture is so indistinguishable from ours that you have to wear its fucking flag around so people know you are from there, you should probably reevaluate your whole life situation. Nobody is impressed to meet a Canadian,you aren't exotic or interesting, you just like hockey and pronounce words like "about" funny.

Dude, what a lame post! :laughyou
You're just jealous, because you know if you went to another country and whipped out a USA flag, someone would kick your ass!

brava
05-05-2007, 06:41 PM
Dude, what a lame post! :laughyou
You're just jealous, because you know if you went to another country and whipped out a USA flag, someone would kick your ass!

my thought exactly, hahahaha

kamikaze
05-05-2007, 07:24 PM
I have to be petty. It's my thing. Without it, i have nothing......

I really think I like you. What can I say, I love petty elitists I guess.....(no sarcasm intended, I swear)

kamikaze
05-05-2007, 07:27 PM
At Cahuilla there was a campsite at the entrance that had a cardboard sign that said "You are now entering Canadian soil", didn't catch what else it said, did anyone else see that?

fluxequalsrad
05-05-2007, 10:17 PM
I am from Canada, and I don't go around wearing the flag or anything. The type who were wearing Canadian flags probably represents the frat-boy-road-trip type from BC/Alberta.

Nothing like the jaded-unpatriotic southern ontarians:)

gaypalmsprings
05-05-2007, 10:18 PM
you sure it wasn't an Aussie flag? I get them Aussie's mixed up with so many nationalities

fluxequalsrad
05-05-2007, 10:20 PM
while it doesnt upset me, i have always thought it weird this thing canadians have about wearing their flag abroad. There is a lot of flag waving in the US, but I've never seen an american wearing stars and stripes paraphernalia outside of the US. I try as much as possible to not look american when traveling, even hold my passport so as to hide the color while in line at the airport (though the non-EU lines are kind of a giveaway)

but canadians don't seem to mind looking canadian-- with their maple leaves and Roots shirts, ha. Though I guess we're both trying to do the same thing:
Make sure no one thinks we're American

I had roots shorts on...ballin'

Anyway, you'll find within Canada people don't hang thier oversized flags out on their front porch and stuff like that, no reciting the "pledge of allegiance" or anything...but they bring the shit to any other country.

--> for some reason information was given to us (in high school) that we were a highly respected country in Europe and to sew a Canadian Flag onto our backpack for better treatment...now this is obviously horseshit.. but I'm sure people think it transfers over for every time we leave canada.

caljona
05-06-2007, 08:12 AM
Though I guess we're both trying to do the same thing:
Make sure no one thinks we're American

I think you hit the nail on the head. whilst travelling around eaurope last summer we hung out with a canadian with a canadian flag on his backpack simply to show that he was not an american. Canadians do tend to get more respect abroad, this being said, not sure the reason was the same at Coachella, does not being american earn you any more respect in america? maybe, maybe not...

ediger
05-06-2007, 11:40 AM
I am from Canada, and I don't go around wearing the flag or anything. The type who were wearing Canadian flags probably represents the frat-boy-road-trip type from BC/Alberta.

Nothing like the jaded-unpatriotic southern ontarians:)

fuckin Leafs fans...

woogie846
05-06-2007, 12:34 PM
If you're dealing with intelligent people in other countries, they'll understand that not all Americans are stupid.

barrett90
05-06-2007, 01:52 PM
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T-Rye
05-06-2007, 02:32 PM
No they don't, they just don't get noticed. The fact that they have to sew their flag on their backpack shows that there is no real difference, the problem is, Canada has a huge identity complex that they try to make up for by not being American but the only thing they have to rally behind is Molson commercials. They have all this bitterness towards us and we don't care/notice, which makes them even more upset.

Which is why someone came on here and got annoyed because he didn't notice all the Canadian flags around....way to contradict.

I'm from Canada. Didn't even occur to me to bring a flag. The number of bikers I saw dressed in full stars and stripe regalia, the general public wearing american stars and stripes hats, shirts, stickers on cars, it makes me wonder who really has the identity issue. You will say it's a sign of national pride, but then you are just making a hypocrite out of yourself if you feel like the original poster.

And I think I saw more Vancouver Canuck paraphenlia than Canadian Flags.

Rhydz
05-06-2007, 05:24 PM
barret90 i think its america that has an idenity problem. it seems after they kicked the british out they tried to be different from them in every manner (i.e. driving on the right side of the road, creating american football instead of rugby, baseball instead of cricket). whats even weirder is you are complaining about flying flags it seems every shop i go to in the states flies an american flag. seriously its no patriotic its just fucking stupid.

my theory on it is americans have a serious short term memory problem (probably an after math of the 60's). so they have to be reminded of what country they live in. probably also explains why so many voted george bush jnr in after the older's crap house term. also probably explains why they voted him back in for a second term even after he was shown to be completly hopeless in the first.

in other words as someone else said. fly an american flag anywhere outside of america and watch your ass get beaten down if not abused.

before i started travelling the world i got the tip to let my aussie accent shine so people wouldnt think i was british or american. i;d accept the british over the americans anyday. canadians >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> americans.

Hannahrain
05-06-2007, 05:33 PM
There are idiots in every country. Case in point: Rhydz. Thanks for the sig.

barrett90
05-06-2007, 07:03 PM
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Rhydz
05-06-2007, 07:14 PM
afl was based on gaelic football due to the high number of irish imigrants. telling an australian what afl is based on is a little stupid. maybe watch a game and then comment.

as for flying the flag its the easiest way to meet people from your own country.

i just didnt like the anti canadian rant you kinda had. so i thought i would do the opposite. highlighting that most places in the world definetly prefer a canadian than an american.

but seriously i dont get how you can knock someone else flying an international flag at a music festival that obviously had alot of international visitors but you dont knock the whole american flag flying thing at every oppurtunity.

as for the driving on the right hand side. i didnt say it was the wrong side i was merely pointing out that they went against the british norm.

eighthundred
05-07-2007, 03:41 PM
i just don't see the point in advertising where you're from. if we want to be able to enjoy everyone's company and appreciate people for who they are, why should we find ways to divide ourselves up?

like a festival such as coachella, it's pretty much a melting pot. but then these lines start getting drawn, for example, when canadians (as well as anyone else who advertised their nationality) advertise that they are canadian so they can meet more canadians. why? you can meet canadians in CANADA. i had no interest in meeting Californians when i was there because i'm a californian. i meet californians every day. if i met someone interesting who happen to be from my state, so be it. but it wasn't a goal. my goal when in a diverse area is "meet interesting new people".

flags just turn a melting pot into multiple, (de facto)segregated single-substance pots.

Encaitare
05-07-2007, 04:00 PM
They probably didn't want to be mistaken for ignorant Americans like the ones that post on this board whining about diversity.

Rhydz
05-07-2007, 08:07 PM
meeting people from your own country when your alone in another helps calm your nerves a little and makes you feel safer and more relaxed to talk to others. sounds stupid but you do feel a tad safer when your around others from your home country.

also helps with home sickness a little. especially if you have been living abroad in another country.

cellophane_star
05-08-2007, 07:58 AM
I wore a small Canadian flag on my bookbag because I love my country.

clarky123
05-08-2007, 08:08 AM
meeting people from your own country when your alone in another helps calm your nerves a little and makes you feel safer and more relaxed to talk to others. sounds stupid but you do feel a tad safer when your around others from your home country.

also helps with home sickness a little. especially if you have been living abroad in another country.

What if you were an American in the UK and you met, say, Ted Bundy??

Korshunova
05-11-2007, 08:45 PM
Oh who gives a shit.
I met a lot of Canadians that were badass/nice/weird, and yeah I thought the whole flag thing was a little odd, I mean, whatever though. I sure as hell wouldn't carry my countries flag at a foreign festival but eh. I don't see the point of it, but I don't really care either.

captain hi top
05-12-2007, 10:58 AM
they did it because we get hassled when people think we are american. we are proud to be canadian, and not afraid to show it, and we dont want to be associated with or mistaken for an ignorant redneck american

Hannahrain
05-12-2007, 11:14 AM
Of course you don't, Captain Hi Top. The world should know that you're an ignorant Canadian, not an ignorant American.

ediger
05-13-2007, 11:04 AM
Of course you don't, Captain Hi Top. The world should know that you're an ignorant Canadian, not an ignorant American.

Thank you. Anyone who makes a statement like Captain Hi Top is a hypocrite and in turn, just as ignorant as the "redneck Americans" they speak of. I am proud to be a Canadian and like being recognized as a Canadian (I don't however, rock the flag-cape like many others), but I don't need to knock down other countries to feel proud. Statement like that only damage our national image

captain hi top
05-13-2007, 12:53 PM
well im sorry but in my travelling experience, people are always dicks to me until i tell them that im canadian, and then they are super nice. people dont respect americans, so why should i let myself be mistaken for one? its bad enough that the world sees canada as americas little bitch, but i guess thats still better than actually being american. i actually lost all respect for americans when they elected bush in again, as he is the biggest fucking idiot i have ever seen, and he has the most power of anyone in the world. its bad when the governator seems like a respectable politician in comparison to bush. he is such a fucking tool, and americans are so fuckign stupid for voting for him, so i want nothing to do with the entire country

and i dont see how im ignorant for my statement. what i said is the truth. i wasnt wearing a flag cape, but i had my canucks t shirts on, and i was trying to display that im proud of my country and city.

Hannahrain
05-13-2007, 01:04 PM
Assuming that everyone in one country is the same way simply because of where they live is ignorant. I am an American. I am neither ignorant, nor a redneck. I have just as much a problem with the "accomplishments" of the Bush administration as you do.

I'm not saying you're ignorant because you're a Canadian. I'm saying you're ignorant because you're an idiot.

ediger
05-13-2007, 01:48 PM
Assuming that everyone in one country is the same way simply because of where they live is ignorant. I am an American. I am neither ignorant, nor a redneck. I have just as much a problem with the "accomplishments" of the Bush administration as you do.

I'm not saying you're ignorant because you're a Canadian. I'm saying you're ignorant because you're an idiot.

Bingo

JClemy
05-13-2007, 02:02 PM
I didn't bring a flag but I told people I was from Canada if they asked. I really like America and a lady at a hotel we stayed at thought I was a Californian traveling with Canadian friends because of the way I spoke(accent or something).
Either way everyone is from somewhere and it's fun to meet new people. In a country as big as Canada it was cool to meet people from the eastern end of the country. I don't particularly like the Canucks but I still thought it cool that a lot of Canucks fans brought their jerseys.
Everyone needs to chill out. There are redneck asses and morons in every country Canadians just like to run around with their flags. Nothing wrong with that.

Rhydz
05-17-2007, 09:01 PM
I'm saying you're ignorant because you're an idiot.


and what do you base that on?

Hannahrain
05-17-2007, 09:11 PM
The truth.

woogie846
05-17-2007, 09:34 PM
http://www.victoryseeds.com/candystore/images/snaps_open_small.jpg

Rhydz
05-18-2007, 08:54 AM
so why do you think he's an idiot?

Hannahrain
05-18-2007, 09:44 AM
BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS SAID IN PREVIOUS POSTS.

Read the thread. If it isn't abundantly clear to you, you're an idiot as well.

Rhydz
05-18-2007, 04:51 PM
so if i dont agree with your opinion (on his comments) then that makes me an idiot as well?

Hannahrain
05-18-2007, 05:21 PM
No, I didn't say that. If you actually can't fathom, even efter reading what has been said and what I have responded with, what it is that I was alluding to, then you are an idiot. Opinion has nothing to do with it. It's about perception.

woogie846
05-20-2007, 04:29 PM
http://www.victoryseeds.com/candystore/images/snaps_open_small.jpg

AGAIN.

theburiedlife
05-20-2007, 06:27 PM
Captain hi top and Rhydz are should not be eligible to comment on thes boards, it lowers the collective IQ :(. When you generalize like that, you contribute to the animosity between both our countries. Candians have relied heavily on the American Economy, and visa versa. We are and will always be in close relations.

In the note of traveling abroad, i did not receive any harsh glares or words of criticism for me being American, no-one seems to care. Sensible Europeans (and Canadians), know that the Bush Administration does not accurately represent Americans as a whole. Sure i wouldn't go around waving the American flag, but that is true for any person who has the sense of appropriate mannerisms when traveling.

We should treat each other as neighbors, and not try and separate one North American from the next.

cab00se
05-20-2007, 06:50 PM
http://a275.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/5/l_e58ca4da452a051658d268fa0637b1ba.jpg

I brought a flag, and no-one knew what it was :nono

ADGZ662
05-21-2007, 04:02 PM
http://a379.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/60/l_0da88428e13526492cce813e652bb0c2.jpg

jackstraw94086
05-21-2007, 05:08 PM
If you wore a canadian flag then just ask yourself honestly whether you wore it purely out of nationalistic pride, and not simply out of fear of being associated with americans. If you answered yes then punch yourself in the nuts because you're not even capable of fooling yourself.

Your parents probably didn't wear canadian flags all over the place, you don't do it when you're at home. Canada didn't just suddently sprout whole generation of fiercely patriotic citizens 20 years ago. You're trying to fool people into thinking you're not like americans, and you're douches because of it. Stay home and eat Kraft mac n' cheese while watching american TV shows during hockey intermissions.

Also, wearing that canadian flag abroad in europe is like wearing a big "Hey I think you're all stupid" sign. Europeans don't see a canadian flag and say "hmmm they've got a maple leaf on them. That means they're probably nice people. I guess that can't be fat under that shirt either, I must be seeing things."

jackstraw94086
05-21-2007, 05:25 PM
Assuming that everyone in one country is the same way simply because of where they live is ignorant. I am an American. I am neither ignorant, nor a redneck. I have just as much a problem with the "accomplishments" of the Bush administration as you do.

I'm not saying you're ignorant because you're a Canadian. I'm saying you're ignorant because you're an idiot.

no, hannah, you're exactly the same as everyone else for a different reason.

Hannahrain
05-21-2007, 09:02 PM
Many.

hello_HELLO
05-21-2007, 10:05 PM
obviously, Arcade Fire was there....

denies the day
05-21-2007, 10:38 PM
Don't matter 'cos James Murphy said we're all scum. Who the fuck is gonna argue with that?

WHO?

:D

Rhydz
05-22-2007, 09:38 AM
Captain hi top and Rhydz are should not be eligible to comment on thes boards, it lowers the collective IQ .


very funny. look at your gramar before you comment on IQ.

Hannahrain
05-22-2007, 09:41 AM
Look at your spelling before you comment on grammar.




;)

Rhydz
05-22-2007, 09:44 AM
so my m key is a little broken on my keyboard big deal.

atleast i know the difference between perception and opinion.

jackstraw94086
05-22-2007, 09:55 AM
so my m key is a little broken on my keyboard big deal.

atleast i know the difference between perception and opinion.

that second comment right there seeemed so ridiculous I had to go back and read this thread for context.

You are probably the funniest poster on this board right now. You're little shpiel about american ignorance was so rife with irony that I have no choice to believe you're just kidding.

your "theories" about americans are so delightfully ridiculous. They display a complete ignorance of everything american. The bit about how americans play baseball and drive on the right side just to be different from the british is fucking hilarious. Get a fucking clue. There's centuries between the events you describe.

There's a difference between flying an american flag outside a school or place of business or even your house and wearing one over your backpack when you're schlepping your little priviledged, spoiled ass all over Europe. You need to look up hipocrisy.

Rhydz
05-22-2007, 10:01 AM
You are probably the funniest poster on this board right now. You're little shpiel about american ignorance was so rife with irony that I have no choice to believe you're just kidding.


finally you get it.



There's a difference between flying an american flag outside a school or place of business or even your house and wearing one over your backpack when you're schlepping your little priviledged, spoiled ass all over Europe.


and what is that difference in your mind?

jackstraw94086
05-22-2007, 12:05 PM
and what is that difference in your mind?

what's the difference between flying your country's flag on a federal building/school/business/home within the borders of said country vs. making a spectacle of yourself in another with a flaunting a flag in everyone's face just to give them the false and incredibly egotistical impression that you're better than a simple american, and not even seeing the irony in it?

Is that your question?

(p.s. you're reinforcing the australian stereotypes we have over here. Good on ya, mate!)

JClemy
05-22-2007, 05:42 PM
I don't think anyone wore flags to prove they were better than anyone else.

algunz
05-22-2007, 06:21 PM
The flag is the new pashmina.

jackstraw94086
05-22-2007, 07:05 PM
I don't think anyone wore flags to prove they were better than anyone else.

right. so in the last 5 years canadian kids have randomly become the most fiercely patriotic people on earth. Those patches and poorly stitched shredded emblems that started appearing on their backpacks as they prance around europe were the result of the major canadian flag company's going out of business sale. right.

They over did it. They parodied themselves. They've turned the symbol of their country into a trucker hat. I know not all canadian kids do it, but fuck it why can't I generalize too?

thelastgreatman
05-22-2007, 07:39 PM
Point of order--claiming to have Canadian/American/Black/White pride unless you had to do something in order to become Canadian/American/Black/White is an automatic contradiction in terms.

"Pride" indicates a good feeling relating to something you have accomplished, or achieved. It is semantically impossible to be proud of being Canadian or American unless you were not born in said nation. So in fact, the only way one can have pride in their nationality is if they're an immigrant.

jackstraw94086
05-22-2007, 07:48 PM
Point of order--claiming to have Canadian/American/Black/White pride unless you had to do something in order to become Canadian/American/Black/White is an automatic contradiction in terms.

"Pride" indicates a good feeling relating to something you have accomplished, or achieved. It is semantically impossible to be proud of being Canadian or American unless you were not born in said nation. So in fact, the only way one can have pride in their nationality is if they're an immigrant.

someone cannot be proud to be a certain nationality if they were born in that nation? I don't agree. I don't see why pride has to necessarily only result from something you've accomplished. Someone can be proud of whatever the hell they want to be proud of.

In the context of this canadian flag thing, I don't have a problem with people who I think are being genuine about it. Problem is that's not what's motivating a lot of these people who flaunt it. They're not saying "I'm proud to be canadian", they're saying "I'm proud to not be american, even though for all intents and purposes I'm identical to most of them".

One of my good friends who moved here from BC and is very legitimately proud to be canadian has said these exact things. He gets annoyed seeing his flag's meaning being twisted into the symbol of "not america". It's fucked.

algunz
05-22-2007, 07:51 PM
Pride = self respect

Hannahrain
05-22-2007, 07:54 PM
so my m key is a little broken on my keyboard big deal.

Seems to be working fine to me. Don't blame your mistakes on your keyboard. You're human. We all are. I only pointed it out because you were being an asshole.


atleast i know the difference between perception and opinion.

I beg to differ. You still don't seem to grasp that I wasn't saying you were an idiot because of your opinion. I was saying it because what you were (still are, in fact) failing to see had been made completely clear. That is perception, not opinion.

thelastgreatman
05-22-2007, 07:58 PM
It's not that I'm objected to patriotism, I just don't think that "pride" applies.

pride /praɪd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[prahyd] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, prid·ed, prid·ing.
–noun
1. a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc.
2. the state or feeling of being proud.
3. a becoming or dignified sense of what is due to oneself or one's position or character; self-respect; self-esteem.
4. pleasure or satisfaction taken in something done by or belonging to oneself or believed to reflect credit upon oneself: civic pride.

So 4 is obviously the upshot of my argument, but let's break down the others--2 is a null, 3 I say doesn't apply because it's fucking retarded to base a feeling of self-respect or self-esteem on an element of yourself in which you were completely irrelevant, and 1 is the only one that can really be taken to make American/Canadian/Black/White pride justified, but once again it would involve holding an escalated opinion of your nature as a person in connection with factors that were forced upon you.

Sorry, but as a word geek I call bullshit on it in general, although I know you could make a fine argument in rebuttal, Jack, being a fine arguer. You see where I'm coming from though, no?

jackstraw94086
05-22-2007, 09:24 PM
definition #1 is clearly the one I'm using in this context. I see where you're coming from, but it doesn't my position. A man could be proud of his grandfather for storming Omaha Beach on D-Day. A NY Giants fan could be proud of his team winning Superbowls XX and XXV, even though he sat on his ass and drank beer while they did it. In the same way canadian kid could legitimately be proud of the accomplishments of his countrymen (I suppose), even though he personally didn't have a hand in them, and that would be legit. Pride can be derived from a mere association with someone or something.

You don't have to do something yourself to be proud of it.

full on idle
05-22-2007, 09:28 PM
I'm proud of creating the internet.

Omar1
05-22-2007, 10:51 PM
I vote for jackstraw. I don't see a problem with someone waving a flag if it is for pure cultural pride. But it's pretty lame to wave it in order to try and show cultural superiority.

dethroned
05-23-2007, 01:52 PM
Jackstraw hit the nail on the head. I don't believe Canadians emblazon themselves with as many maple leaves as they can because they're proud of being Canadian. They're just proud not to be American, and God help anyone who forgets it. It totally is a cultural superiority thing, which is why I find it soooo damn annoying.

Although, did anyone see the obese woman with the flag/cape? That always cracks me up.

thaipod
05-23-2007, 02:58 PM
http://members.aol.com/duvelle/nxp-zarya/ussr.gif

In Soviet Russia, flag waves you!

JClemy
05-23-2007, 08:40 PM
I really don't think that Canadians bring their flags to prove they aren't American. I had friends who brought a flag and they just brought it to meet up with some other Canadians. On our drive down we drove past a lot of Canadians and it was cool to see how many flags their were and to see how many people made the Epic drive down. If people are using it to say they aren't American is lame.

I know people use flags overseas because Canadians are inoffensive in our foreign policy. It's probably just a stereotype but I have a friend who said people overseas were really nice to him when he said he was Canadian. Every time I've been to the US people have been a little nicer when I've said I'm Canadian. I only tell people when they ask where I'm from but it seems to make people extra helpful. That said I love going to the US so I wouldn't want to try to make the distinction that I'm not American.

Chill out people. Why do you hate the flags so much?

jackstraw94086
05-24-2007, 01:48 AM
I really don't think that Canadians bring their flags to prove they aren't American. I had friends who brought a flag and they just brought it to meet up with some other Canadians. On our drive down we drove past a lot of Canadians and it was cool to see how many flags their were and to see how many people made the Epic drive down. If people are using it to say they aren't American is lame.

I know people use flags overseas because Canadians are inoffensive in our foreign policy. It's probably just a stereotype but I have a friend who said people overseas were really nice to him when he said he was Canadian. Every time I've been to the US people have been a little nicer when I've said I'm Canadian. I only tell people when they ask where I'm from but it seems to make people extra helpful. That said I love going to the US so I wouldn't want to try to make the distinction that I'm not American.

Chill out people. Why do you hate the flags so much?

This shit actually came up tonight again.
Earlier tonight I was talking with a guy from Milan about his experiences here and he mentioned that his friends back in europre make fun of the fact that every canadian they encounter in europe immediately claims to be canadian before even being asked where they're from. Shame and insecurities are not endearing qualities.

you happen to be canadian. that's fine. If you're smart enough to see through stereotypes that's great. Lots of your friends don't. Some of us live in spots where lots of canadians and foreigners from all over like to congregate. The more concentrated it is and the more you hear about it the more annoying it is.

You chill out. Nobody here hates flags. Just making fun of people who exploit their flag as a way to pretend they shouldn't be treated like americans when they just proved themselves every bit as irritating.

Your comment about your own foreign policy is hilarious, btw. Enjoy the false world perception and exploitation of stereotypes while you can. The canadian government is swinging conservative very quickly.

luveebunni08
05-24-2007, 07:36 AM
i don't see a problem with flags. maybe they appreciate their country and wanted to show people where they were from. what if they weren't even from canada but like it there. what if it had been people showing off the mexican flag? i think everyone should bring a flag next year just to see this guy's head pop.

jackstraw94086
05-24-2007, 08:03 AM
i don't see a problem with flags. maybe they appreciate their country and wanted to show people where they were from. what if they weren't even from canada but like it there. what if it had been people showing off the mexican flag? i think everyone should bring a flag next year just to see this guy's head pop.

I think everyone should wear shirts with words on them next year just to see your head pop. Either follow the thread or just continue saying stupid things. It's up to you really.

In case you're able to comprehend this I'll say it again. I don't have a problem with flags, einstein, just the idiots who obviously only abuse theirs. Legitimately patriotic canadians should be annoyed (and I've met several who are).

offyerhead
05-24-2007, 09:23 AM
You need to look up hipocrisy.

I can't believe this hasn't been adopted as someone's sig yet!

And really, the overwhelming majority of Canadians don't have an obsession with the States and don't have an identity crisis. We're very comfortable with who we are and we're very aware that we live next to a country that is very large, very complicated and going through some very tough times. Yes, we generally have an opinion on the States as (a) most Canadians are pretty well informed about the world around them and (b) we don't have much of a choice given American media penetration into Canada (and the rest of the world).

I live in Vancouver and the top concerns here aren't the States or American problems. It's real estate prices, drug and crime problems in the downtown east side, the Olympics and the Canucks.

From a non-flag waving Canadian who didn't really notice that many Canadian flags at Coachella this year but did stick one on my pack when I travelled the world years ago.

ficklecycle
05-24-2007, 10:00 AM
USA! USA!

full on idle
05-24-2007, 11:45 AM
I feel out of touch with the world I didn't even realize this flag issue was such a hot button topic. I don't even know how to FEEL about Canadians right now.

thelastgreatman
05-24-2007, 02:00 PM
When I used to vacation in Montreal I noticed there are some really weird elements of Canadian pride that border on delusional. One of the Canadian chicks we were friends with (she was, admittedly, dumber than all shit) tried to very seriously assert that Canada had the best Air Force in the world. We were just like, "Um, well, between the US and Israel I'm pretty positive third is the best you're doing, and even that's pretty dubious."

And Jack, we have arrived at the point in this debate (which I've had a number of times) where things always gets interesting. I suppose here's part of where the trouble comes in:


A man could be proud of his grandfather for storming Omaha Beach on D-Day. A NY Giants fan could be proud of his team winning Superbowls XX and XXV, even though he sat on his ass and drank beer while they did it.

Okay, there's quite a valid point in that. But forgive how semantic this is going to get--although it is a purely semantic issue to begin with--I suppose my grievance is that as you illustrate in those examples, one can be proud of the accomplishments of others somehow related to him. He can be proud of his grandfather, or of his team, but can he actually be proud of himself for what they've accomplished? This is the crux of the issue when people say they're proud of their Canadian/American/Black/White-ness, to me at least.

It's all splitting hairs I know, but you like splitting hairs as much as me, Jack, so help me figure this out--when national pride is expressed on a personal level, doesn't it negate the proper usage of "pride?"

jackstraw94086
05-24-2007, 02:21 PM
I can't believe this hasn't been adopted as someone's sig yet!

And really, the overwhelming majority of Canadians don't have an obsession with the States and don't have an identity crisis. We're very comfortable with who we are and we're very aware that we live next to a country that is very large, very complicated and going through some very tough times. Yes, we generally have an opinion on the States as (a) most Canadians are pretty well informed about the world around them and (b) we don't have much of a choice given American media penetration into Canada (and the rest of the world).

I live in Vancouver and the top concerns here aren't the States or American problems. It's real estate prices, drug and crime problems in the downtown east side, the Olympics and the Canucks.

From a non-flag waving Canadian who didn't really notice that many Canadian flags at Coachella this year but did stick one on my pack when I travelled the world years ago.

I'm not indicting all canadians, just the hypocrites. If you are a canadian non-hypocrite, you're aces in my book.

nahuatldream
05-24-2007, 03:13 PM
http://static.flickr.com/106/273171867_8e7a807b5d.jpg

jackstraw94086
05-24-2007, 03:52 PM
swing and a miss.

Rhydz
05-24-2007, 04:57 PM
the fact this thread has gone on as long as it has is funny.

jackstraw94086
05-24-2007, 06:02 PM
wow you guys are starving for comedy down there huh?

JClemy
05-28-2007, 08:37 AM
This shit actually came up tonight again.
Earlier tonight I was talking with a guy from Milan about his experiences here and he mentioned that his friends back in europre make fun of the fact that every canadian they encounter in europe immediately claims to be canadian before even being asked where they're from. Shame and insecurities are not endearing qualities.

you happen to be canadian. that's fine. If you're smart enough to see through stereotypes that's great. Lots of your friends don't. Some of us live in spots where lots of canadians and foreigners from all over like to congregate. The more concentrated it is and the more you hear about it the more annoying it is.

You chill out. Nobody here hates flags. Just making fun of people who exploit their flag as a way to pretend they shouldn't be treated like americans when they just proved themselves every bit as irritating.

Your comment about your own foreign policy is hilarious, btw. Enjoy the false world perception and exploitation of stereotypes while you can. The canadian government is swinging conservative very quickly.

I've had a friend who said that people were good to him overseas when he said he was Canadian. Not personal experience so I honestly don't know. People in America trying not to be treated like Americans? Would make a little more sense somewhere else but not in America.

That said I will admit that I could be wrong. There are some real stupid Canadians(and Americans and pretty much everywhere in the world) so you could be right. Our literature is all about us trying to find an identity so maybe this is part of that. Now that I have said that I urge all of you to avoid the majority of Canadian literature. It's horrible and whiny. I suppose I do prefer to remain ignorant if there are Canadians who are in America trying not to fit in because that definitely is stupid. I do know some Canadians who brought flags to the event and it was more to help them distinguish their tent from others so they could find it when drunk.

I do know that our government is getting very Conservative and it's very unfortunate. Many of our voters simply voted against the Liberals and not for the Conservatives. The bonus is that our current Prime Minister is a useless pushover who has really done nothing since he was elected.

I said chill out because you seemed to be getting really worked up over this. If your simply making fun of stupid people than by all means continue. Stupid people deserve it.

I'm from Alberta so it's basically Texas North. This province is probably the closest to being American as you can get. We vote Conservative because we're supposed to and because our parents feel we should. Very Lame. As you can also tell I'm not an overly patriotic Canadian. I would love to live in America. CFL is nothing compared to the NFL

Sari.e
08-01-2007, 04:19 PM
Jackstraw hit the nail on the head. I don't believe Canadians emblazon themselves with as many maple leaves as they can because they're proud of being Canadian. They're just proud not to be American, and God help anyone who forgets it. It totally is a cultural superiority thing, which is why I find it soooo damn annoying.

Although, did anyone see the obese woman with the flag/cape? That always cracks me up.


You just shoved about 31 million people into that statement, and wrongfully.

I'm proud to be Canadian, not because it means I'm not American, but because I love the country I was raised in. I also happen to love the United States, and trust me, it pisses me off just as much as it does some of you when I hear my fellow Canadians going on about how ignorant Americans are and how stupid they are. As I personally think that if you make a statement like that (or the one you implied in your post here) it makes you just as ignorant as the people you are beating down.

So to be clear, it isn't always a cultural superiority thing.....some of us are just glad to be living where we do.

clarky123
08-02-2007, 01:37 AM
We took a lot of footage\interviews on the campsite to contribute towards our Coachella movie. One particuar sequence involves two Canadian girls who were terrific and were wearing hardly anything - I could hardly keep the camera still! Ilike Canadians.

frozen pilgrim
08-03-2007, 11:59 AM
we brought one to help us identify our tent. that, and I had the impression before coming that people from all sorts of different places would be putting flags in the campground, and I thought it'd be nice; walking back to the tent at night and being reminded of what a gathering the whole event is. I had no idea that there were people walking around out there who were going "wow, they're flying their flag, those arrogant canadian fucks".
honestly, I have been treated preferentially in certain parts of the world as a canadian. certain parts. just like every other nationality seems to have their "niche market" out there. global sociology is like grade school.

ArcadeParade
08-04-2007, 05:10 PM
i had large Canadian flag, on the dvd i can be seen at the end of the arcade song ('05). also can be seen with the flag in this years arcade performance during when win comes into the crowd.

i don't bring it to be patriotic....although i do like to point out i'm canadian i guess. i primarily use it as a blanket or use it as something to sit on. so its definitely not held on a podium...

now on a separate note, when i travel to europe i have Canadian flags on my bags, so people know im not American, cause its just known we do that, we dont want to be mistaken for American in a foreign country. I REPEAT this is not why I bring my flag to coachella. I love the palm springs area, california and i love going to the states in general....