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Eggbird
01-24-2007, 11:51 AM
I'm having a hard time deciding witch of these two bands to see. Any advice?

suprefan
01-24-2007, 11:51 AM
They might play on the same stage so you are set.

hangthedj112
01-24-2007, 11:54 AM
They might play on the same stage so you are set.

That would be dreadful unless by some scheduling miracle Air went on after Rage.

suprefan
01-24-2007, 11:54 AM
That would be dreadful unless by some scheduling miracle Air went on after Rage.

Air played at sunset in 2004 and the Flaming Lips and The Cure were after. So whats wrong with Air then Manu Chao and Rage after?

hangthedj112
01-24-2007, 11:56 AM
Air played at sunset in 2004 and the Flaming Lips and The Cure were after. So whats wrong with Air then Manu Chao and Rage after?

The fact no one will be able to get close or enjoy themselves due to the fact the stage will probably be swamped with overzealous Rage fans? Oh, and Cure fans are a tad bit more laid back than Rage fans. Just a bit..

Jenae
01-24-2007, 11:58 AM
Air played at sunset in 2004 and the Flaming Lips and The Cure were after. So whats wrong with Air then Manu Chao and Rage after?

I remember that, Air was on right as the sun was setting. It was awesome to just lie there on the grass and listen.
I think it would be odd to have Rage come on right after Air, it would be a really big shift in mood, don't you think?
My guess is Rage probably won't be performing until close to the end of the evening.

NoGwenPlease
01-24-2007, 11:58 AM
why the hell does manu chao get to be on the main stage before rage? i know they are extremely popular, but i think most of the coachella audience will know Air over them.

suprefan
01-24-2007, 12:02 PM
I remember that, Air was on right as the sun was setting. It was awesome to just lie there on the grass and listen.
I think it would be odd to have Rage come on right after Air, it would be a really big shift in mood, don't you think?
My guess is Rage probably won't be performing until close to the end of the evening.

I think thats obvious... And we had this happen last year, Massive Attack before Tool its nothing new....

goatparade
01-24-2007, 12:03 PM
Because Air needs the sunset slot...it would be epic....but that then poses the biggest delimna for me......what if Air is on the main stage during sunset when EITS is on the outdoor stage during sunset?
That would be rough

suprefan
01-24-2007, 12:04 PM
Because Air needs the sunset slot...it would be epic....but that then poses the biggest delimna for me......what if Air is on the main stage during sunset when EITS is on the outdoor stage during sunset?
That would be rough

That right there would be the worst conflict on day 3....

Jenae
01-24-2007, 12:11 PM
Wait, I thought I read an article saying that part of the organizers purpose for extending the festival to three days was to reduce the occurrence of overlapping performances. Maybe that means being able to see at least part of two acts. Isn't that better than nothing?

suprefan
01-24-2007, 12:14 PM
Yes it is, but we really wont knwo who goes where until the week of the festival. Going off the poster at this moment Air and Rage are on the same stage. The "In The Tent" words havent been added to the Sahara headliners yet, so we'll see.....

shakermaker113
01-24-2007, 12:21 PM
The fact no one will be able to get close or enjoy themselves due to the fact the stage will probably be swamped with overzealous Rage fans? Oh, and Cure fans are a tad bit more laid back than Rage fans. Just a bit..

maybe. although I remember during air's set in 2004, someone behind me kept making cynical comments about some of the moon safari songs sounding like a porn soundtrack. it was really distracting when he yelled "excuse me if I cum on anyone".

amyzzz
01-24-2007, 12:29 PM
I am perplexed about Sunday myself. I really like the passion and political-awareness of RATM, but I am totally falling in love with Air right now. In addition to that, I want to catch the Crowded House reunion, Placebo, and Infected Mushroom. I just don't know, but I'm thinking Air > all else on Sunday.

luckyface
01-24-2007, 12:30 PM
why the hell does manu chao get to be on the main stage before rage? i know they are extremely popular, but i think most of the coachella audience will know Air over them.

Extremely popular with who??

summerkid
01-24-2007, 12:33 PM
Europe and Hispanic community.

HerbalK
01-24-2007, 12:35 PM
Yes it is, but we really wont knwo who goes where until the week of the festival. Going off the poster at this moment Air and Rage are on the same stage. The "In The Tent" words havent been added to the Sahara headliners yet, so we'll see.....


In the tent is only added to acts that could go either way. Chemical Bros. and Prodigy got In the Tent because they'd played the mainstage before. Madonna and Daft Punk could have been main stage acts, so it was necessary to clarify their being in the tent. I don't think we'll see in In the Tent added to PVD or Tiesto for example, because those would obviously be in the tent. There is no one on the lineup I could see In the Tent added for, besides maybe Faithless or DJ Shadow.

firesuite
01-24-2007, 12:42 PM
I am REALLY excited about both of these groups, but if you live in the U.S., it would make more sense to see RATM at Coachella, if you were forced to choose. Why?

Taken in part from a recent bulletin from Air's MySpace:

"Air will then tour in the US from Mid April to Mid May. They will play at major festivals both in Europe and Japan during the summer and then continue touring for the rest of 2007."

Even though Air is from the other side of the world, they are planning a U.S. tour to support their new album "Pocket Symphony". With RATM, you have zero guarantee they are planning more than a one-off show. Just rumors.

suprefan
01-24-2007, 12:42 PM
It still helps sometimes having that on the poster.... I'm still saying Air main stage sunset, done deal....

summerkid
01-24-2007, 12:46 PM
ya i'm 75% confident Air--->manu Chao---> Rage

fober
01-24-2007, 12:55 PM
Main Stage:

Roots -> Willie Nelson -> Manu Chao -> RATM

Second Stage:

Kaiser Chiefs -> Crowded House -> Happy Mondays -> Air

summerkid
01-24-2007, 01:01 PM
If it happens like that Air has to be the last band to play becauase they can't have Air going on at the same time as RATM it would just ruin Air's set. So Rage needs to end at 10:30 and then Air closes out the festival on the outdoor theatre. But that does make some sense because i've been trying to figure out where the heck Happy Mondays fit in to all of this.

Proadict
01-24-2007, 01:26 PM
rage

ellipsis
01-24-2007, 01:45 PM
guys... you do realise that air vs RATM is no contest?

air are still around. they are still making music, they are still touring regularly. they are loved by many, but they are clearly not infused with the legendary status that would warrant a mainstage headliner slot.

now look at RATM. an iconic and adored band across the globe. split well over 6 years ago. have not played together since. are reuniting for one single gig. the musical gravity of this is enourmous. this is one of the biggest gigs, well, ever.

it is quite obvious to me that:

a) RATM are clearly the highlight of the festival, not only subjectively but objectively. they are set up to be that way. most festivals do that. remember NIN a few years back? clearly, they were meant as the headliners of the festival. remember radiohead glastonbury 2003? there was no discussion as to who was the main attraction. this year is no different.

b) RATM and air will finish at the same time, if anything RATM will finish later. to say that the headliners for the main stage of a festival end their set before anyone else does is absurd. it just doesn't happen.

i don't want to insult anyone here, so please don't take offence, but some of you show a lack of understanding about how this kind of thing works. there are certain unspoken rules about festivals that do not get broken. what some of you are suggesting is quite simply not going to happen. the last strains of RATM will end long after any other band has finished. it's just the way it is.

Alchemy
01-24-2007, 01:47 PM
why the hell does manu chao get to be on the main stage before rage? i know they are extremely popular, but i think most of the coachella audience will know Air over them.

This is not a popularity thing. It's a safety measure. I agree that Air is a tad more popular than Manu Chao.

newalias
01-24-2007, 01:47 PM
Manu Chao wont be on the mainstage I dont think. I think they will close the opposite stage and Air will have the sunset show on the mainstage.

Yablonowitz
01-24-2007, 01:55 PM
there are certain unspoken rules about festivals that do not get broken.

Like, for example, pooping your pants in the middle of a mosh pit is expected.

Alchemy
01-24-2007, 01:59 PM
guys... you do realise that air vs RATM is no contest?

True that. Air wins hands down.

It is quite obvious to me that:

a) I am not in Middle School anymore.

b) Golden Voice will move Rage Against The Machine to the Gobi so that we can enjoy Air for 3 hours.

summerkid
01-24-2007, 02:06 PM
guys... you do realise that air vs RATM is no contest?


b) RATM and air will finish at the same time, if anything RATM will finish later. to say that the headliners for the main stage of a festival end their set before anyone else does is absurd. it just doesn't happen.

i don't want to insult anyone here, so please don't take offence, but some of you show a lack of understanding about how this kind of thing works. there are certain unspoken rules about festivals that do not get broken. what some of you are suggesting is quite simply not going to happen. the last strains of RATM will end long after any other band has finished. it's just the way it is.

Dont be offended, but it seems you are the one that doesn't understand how things work. Depeche Mode was the headliner last year. They did not close out the festival. They were the last band on the main stage, but they werent the last band at the festival. NIN headlined in 2005 they did not close out the festival, they weren't even the last band on the main stage Black Star was. This is not unheard of at Coachella. Air cannot play at the same time as Rage the sound coming from the main stage from Rage would ruin Air's set. It is very possible Air will be on the mainstage at sunset. But if they are on the outdoor theatre they will be closing it and Rage will have to be done by the time Air goes on. I also don't think there has ever been a year where the person closing out the outdoor theatre hasn't gone till midnight.

fatbastard
01-24-2007, 02:12 PM
They will not play at the same time.

Alchemy
01-24-2007, 02:14 PM
NIN headlined in 2005 they did not close out the festival, they weren't even the last band on the main stage Black Star was.

That is because NIN had to bounce.


They will not play at the same time.

This is the most likely scenario.

microcuts
01-24-2007, 02:17 PM
It is very possible Air will be on the mainstage at sunset. But if they are on the outdoor theatre they will be closing it and Rage will have to be done by the time Air goes on.

Not necessarily. Tool and the Scissor Sisters performed at the same time last year, and both played past midnite.

With that said, Air are a sunset band. They played at sunset in 2004 and being that their name is roughly in the same exact spot on the poster as it was then, I can see the same thing happening.

suprefan
01-24-2007, 02:20 PM
Not necessarily. Tool and the Scissor Sisters performed at the same time last year, and both played until midnite.

With that said, Air are a sunset band. They played at sunset in 2004 and being that their name is roughly in the same exact spot on the poster as it was then, I can see the same thing happening.

Tool went past midnight.. Til about 12:20....

microcuts
01-24-2007, 02:22 PM
oh, even better. I was pretty much passed out in first aid behind the second stage at that time and was tormented by really bad Pink Floyd covers instead of the symphonic rock landscapes I could only faintly make out in between songs. ugh.

suprefan
01-24-2007, 02:25 PM
Ouch, oh yeah and I missed you saying they both went past midnite in your above post. Oh and Daft Punk went past midnight also.... I dont think anyone will ever be allowed to go over as much as the Cure did..

microcuts
01-24-2007, 02:28 PM
Maybe Bjork can, she'd probably beat the shit out of anyone that says no.

ghettojournalist
01-24-2007, 02:31 PM
who in their right mind would say no to bjork?

amyzzz
01-24-2007, 02:46 PM
God I love Bjork.

Boourns
01-24-2007, 02:47 PM
If Air got a huge crowd during a prime time slot in 2004, and people are still talking about that performance in such a positive light, why would they take a step down to a lesser stage at a more conflicting time? Air on the second stage is never going to happen.

fober
01-24-2007, 06:12 PM
Ok so we're going to assume that Air will "open" for RATM?

Do you remember what the crowd was like for Massive Attack "opening" for Tool?

josephv909
01-24-2007, 06:28 PM
who is air? never heard of them....

ellipsis
01-24-2007, 06:30 PM
i stand corrected :)

i guess you guys do it differently over there.

ellipsis
01-24-2007, 06:30 PM
(RATM pwnz air)

j-bizfromcanada
01-24-2007, 06:34 PM
how do you even compare a one time reuniting by a band who defined music today to an electronica band that will barely be known in 5 years. rage all the way!!!

peace love and money
j.

ellipsis
01-24-2007, 06:35 PM
how do you even compare a one time reuniting by a band who defined music today to an electronica band that will barely be known in 5 years. rage all the way!!!

peace love and money
j.

...

air are a bit better than that, you know.

i just think that their appearance is nothing on RATM's appearance.

Kiefer
01-24-2007, 06:52 PM
i've seen air on every tour. amazing. buuut, rage will probably not do much after this one show, so i have to see it. either way, gv knows better than to place them at the same time, though it would make sense, style-wise, to put them on opposite stages. air did play mainstage last time, they will again.

bartelby
01-24-2007, 06:59 PM
air will be on at sunset guaranteed...why would you mess with such a perfect setup???

scotty
01-24-2007, 07:13 PM
dont be offended, but i think it is you who does not understand how things work. I love depeche like no other, but Tool was definately headliner last year, they closed it out on mainstage the last night of the festival and it was their first show in five years. Although I also love Air incredibly if they play at the same time... RATM wins it, its a one night reunion.

Balthazar B
01-24-2007, 07:24 PM
maybe. although I remember during air's set in 2004, someone behind me kept making cynical comments about some of the moon safari songs sounding like a porn soundtrack. it was really distracting when he yelled "excuse me if I cum on anyone".

Te he he, etcetera...

matsuolost
02-11-2007, 12:52 AM
In the tent is only added to acts that could go either way. Chemical Bros. and Prodigy got In the Tent because they'd played the mainstage before. Madonna and Daft Punk could have been main stage acts, so it was necessary to clarify their being in the tent. I don't think we'll see in In the Tent added to PVD or Tiesto for example, because those would obviously be in the tent. There is no one on the lineup I could see In the Tent added for, besides maybe Faithless or DJ Shadow.

that is just stupid.
take a look at the poster. tiesto main stage
not so obvious now huh?

now with the rage vs air thing. that is just ridiculous
rage are closing the night same way tool did last year. and air will have the sunset
air-manu chao-rage

explosions in the sky vs air that is the real question

DeltaSigChi4
02-11-2007, 12:58 AM
who is air? never heard of them....

*cosign

E

newalias
02-11-2007, 01:22 AM
Air (Sunset) -> Willie? -> RAGE

Manu Chao closing Outdoor stage?

OR

Air (Sunset) -> Manu Chao -> RAGE

I am perplexed too, I have a bad feeling that Air will be put up against EITS.

RockStr4Life
02-11-2007, 01:12 PM
All I know is that I really want to see EITS, Air and Rage...and Manu Chao blows. If I can see those three bands I will basically be satisfied with my weekend.

DeltaSigChi4
02-11-2007, 01:14 PM
Who is EITS?

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RockStr4Life
02-11-2007, 01:17 PM
Explosions in the Sky

DeltaSigChi4
02-11-2007, 01:18 PM
Thank you sir.

Never heard of them.

Edit - Listening to the songs on their MyS page att; good fucking shit.

E

dontfeedthebird
02-11-2007, 01:40 PM
AIR. After that, I'm finished.

Conradfree
02-11-2007, 10:28 PM
I have no idea who air is. um so yeah.. manu chao before rage. No brainer.

Conradfree
02-11-2007, 10:29 PM
All I know is that I really want to see EITS, Air and Rage...and Manu Chao blows. If I can see those three bands I will basically be satisfied with my weekend.
yea ok afterwards you can go home and not ruin the good tunes.

bmack86
02-11-2007, 10:58 PM
It'd be cool if EITS played right before Air

tiffdud41
02-11-2007, 11:11 PM
so much thought and speculation, I couldn't stop reading.

back4more
02-11-2007, 11:34 PM
maybe. although I remember during air's set in 2004, someone behind me kept making cynical comments about some of the moon safari songs sounding like a porn soundtrack. it was really distracting when he yelled "excuse me if I cum on anyone".

Ha, ha. I can imagine that would be quite distracting. The prospect of turning around and getting a pearl necklace would kinda ruin the moment.

Foppie
02-11-2007, 11:38 PM
I hear Air might be moved to Friday...

tiffdud41
02-11-2007, 11:38 PM
ewwww

Slushmier
02-11-2007, 11:42 PM
I feel Manu Chao leading into RATM makes sense so everyone gets really pissed off politically and feels like starting a revolution. (Que estupendo!) Maybe they'll even throw The Coup on for a bit to really get everyone pissed off about the state of the world.

bmack86
02-11-2007, 11:58 PM
Manu Chao should be before rage.

luckyface
02-12-2007, 12:00 AM
I hear Air might be moved to Friday...

From where did you hear this?

I for one would welcome the change. It makes Friday night even better.

RockStr4Life
02-12-2007, 01:36 AM
Air right before Bjork on the main stage on Friday night would be the most amazing thing ever.

RockStr4Life
02-12-2007, 01:38 AM
yea ok afterwards you can go home and not ruin the good tunes.

That didn't even make sense man.

kaeso
02-12-2007, 01:46 AM
Air right before Bjork on the main stage on Friday night would be the most amazing thing ever.

this would be perfection

RockStr4Life
02-12-2007, 01:52 AM
come on Goldenvoice...Air before Bjork friday night! PLEASE make that happen! haha

Nomes7110
02-12-2007, 01:57 AM
as im a newbie to the festival i do accept that as i havent been to the festival before my opinions are slightly less well informed as you guys, however, if for arguements sake we say that Air are on before Rage (on the main stage) then it could be seen as a calm before the storm type effect, just thought i could throw that one into the mix there, i will take the criticism should anyone decide to dish it out. However if they did move Air to friday to before Bjork that would be absolutely spectacular :D

Somewhat Damaged
02-12-2007, 08:42 PM
Air before Bjork would be great...but wasn't everybody already complaining about what the main stage lineup is going to look like on Friday?

Boourns
02-12-2007, 08:45 PM
The main stage on Friday is already packed enough. Air will play before Manu Chao on the main stage on Sunday, and then...Rage. Duh.