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suprefan
04-19-2007, 05:37 PM
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/entertainment/music/rock_and_pop/s/1004/1004800_smiths_set_for_reunion.html


THE Smiths are to be inducted into the rock'n'roll hall of fame in America next year, I can exclusively reveal, and the four band members could be on the same stage for the first time since their messy split in 1987.

The Manchester band, who helped put Strangeways and Salford Lads Club on the world map, are to be honoured by the Hall of Fame in a lavish ceremony planned for early next year, my spies tell me.

The entire band may make the trip for the induction, although judging by bass player Andy Rourke's reaction nothing is yet set in stone.

He tells me: "You never know what may happen. I don't know if we'll all go over there for the induction or not.

"It might just be Morrissey with three cardboard cut-outs. We'll just have to wait and see what happens."

If they do play on stage it will be regarded as a miracle after the bitter court case over performing royalties in 1996.

At the award ceremony they will be expected to give an acceptance speech in which most toast their peers and forebears in rock and follow it with a once-in-a-lifetime live performance as a tribute.

Artists are only eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record - meaning the time will be ripe for The Smiths next year, as their debut single Hand In Glove, was released in 1983. If they are inducted, The Smiths will join greats like The Beatles, The Rolling Stones and The Who among the elite of pop. Ceremonies have featured many unforgettable moments such as when Mick Jagger, Tina Turner, Bob Dylan, The Beach Boys and Bruce Springsteen shared the same stage or when Santana performed Black Magic Woman with ex-Fleetwood Mac member Peter Green, the song's composer and original performer.

The artists are further honoured when they are featured in the Museum's Hall of Fame exhibit, which includes a computerised juke box containing virtually every song of every performer inductee and a film on three huge screens recounting their careers and music.

The 2008 inductees will not be officially revealed until late this year.

Alchemy
04-19-2007, 05:44 PM
Fingers crossed.

bballarl
04-19-2007, 05:55 PM
You heard it here first. Smiths headline the Sahara tent next year.

rage patton
04-19-2007, 06:00 PM
Now I have no idea if this is true or not... but I heard GV offered the Smith $5 mil to reunite, but they turned it down.
If this reunion does happen for the rock n' roll hall of fame, does anyone think if GV offered them the same amount (possibly a little more) they would play Coachella next year?

bballarl
04-19-2007, 06:02 PM
I think that $5 million figure was taken out of context. GV would not pay a band $5 million for one show. Unless it was...
















BOARDS OF CANADA!

suprefan
04-19-2007, 06:03 PM
Now I have no idea if this is true or not... but I heard GV offered the Smith $5 mil to reunite, but they turned it down.
If this reunion does happen for the rock n' roll hall of fame, does anyone think if GV offered them the same amount (possibly a little more) they would play Coachella next year?


This was the talk of South By Southwest. Morrissey quoted that figure.

bballarl
04-19-2007, 06:05 PM
Not for one gig. Let's think about that logically.

vinylmartyr
04-19-2007, 06:06 PM
I heard it was $15 million.

suprefan
04-19-2007, 06:07 PM
Not for one gig. Let's think about that logically.

I'm not saying it was for one, he said he was offered that by GV so ya know, take it how you like. I just remember reading it and the article saying everyone just gasped.

bballarl
04-19-2007, 06:10 PM
I gasped when I found out Johnny Marr was wasting his time in Modest Mouse.

rage patton
04-19-2007, 06:21 PM
I heard Rage was paid $6 mil this year for their performance? Any truth behind that at all? Or was the some exageration most likely taking a shot at their so called "socialist" beliefs?
If they offered Rage $6 mil... I dont see why they wouldnt offer the Smiths atleast $5 mil, if not more.

bballarl
04-19-2007, 06:24 PM
I have no idea, I just refuse to believe that The Smiths were offered $5 million for one gig.

summerkid
04-19-2007, 06:26 PM
I heard Rage was paid $6 mil this year for their performance? Any truth behind that at all? Or was the some exageration most likely taking a shot at their so called "socialist" beliefs?
If they offered Rage $6 mil... I dont see why they wouldnt offer the Smiths atleast $5 mil, if not more.

I believe it was 1.5 million.

suprefan
04-19-2007, 06:29 PM
Dude, where are you getting that figure from? They got 1.5 million, done deal. Radiohead got a clean million.

vinylmartyr
04-19-2007, 06:35 PM
I heard it was $22 million and all the french toast they could eat.

vinylmartyr
04-19-2007, 06:36 PM
http://whatscookingamerica.net/Foto4/FrenchToast2.jpg

rage patton
04-19-2007, 06:41 PM
Dude, where are you getting that figure from? They got 1.5 million, done deal. Radiohead got a clean million.

I read it here somewhere in the forum. I figured it was an exageration.

Call me ignorant, but do you (as in this forum in general) think The Smiths would be as big of a draw as Rage Against The Machine?
Like, I know the Smiths reunion would be a HUGE deal... but would they be enough to sell Coachella out 80 days in advance?
I dont know if they would, or wouldnt. Perhaps they would sell it out faster. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

bballarl
04-19-2007, 06:43 PM
It would be a very big deal.

vinylmartyr
04-19-2007, 06:43 PM
Depends

vinylmartyr
04-19-2007, 06:44 PM
I do believe Rage is more popular than The Smiths.

bballarl
04-19-2007, 06:44 PM
Shut up Jeff!

vinylmartyr
04-19-2007, 06:44 PM
Nether is bigger than all you can eat french toast.

bballarl
04-19-2007, 06:45 PM
DM > all you can eat french toast

hangthedj112
04-19-2007, 06:45 PM
I read it here somewhere in the forum. I figured it was an exageration.

Call me ignorant, but do you (as in this forum in general) think The Smiths would be as big of a draw as Rage Against The Machine?
Like, I know the Smiths reunion would be a HUGE deal... but would they be enough to sell Coachella out 80 days in advance?
I dont know if they would, or wouldnt. Perhaps they would sell it out faster. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

The Smith's following is infinitely larger than Rage. A lot of fans aren't realy that into Morrissey these days, but if it were the smiths their fanbase would come back in a heart-beat, them being a group of people which greatly outnumbers Rage fans in people and IQ, probably not testosterone

lol fixed.

bballarl
04-19-2007, 06:47 PM
I know my uncle, who was a big Smiths fan, would not see The Smiths if ticket prices were as ridiculous as they would be if they got back together and toured. And I bet other people would feel the same way.

vinylmartyr
04-19-2007, 06:48 PM
I think todays youths connect more with Rage. Rage gets a lot more airplay. If it was a one off for the Smiths it would be huge.

Alchemy
04-19-2007, 06:48 PM
The Smiths would be a bigger deal. I heard they were offerend 10 million dollars to play Coachella.

I also heard that they offered David Bowie 50 billion dollars and a Reznor Hand Job to play in 05', but it didn't pull through.

vinylmartyr
04-19-2007, 06:49 PM
I do believe if the Smith play at the rock n roll hof they will play at Coachella.

Alchemy
04-19-2007, 06:52 PM
The Smiths @ Coachella 08'?

Ambitious.

sydaud
04-19-2007, 07:36 PM
I know it's heresy in places like this, but really....The SMITHS in the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame? Before the Cure, XTC or New Order?

I don't care if you're fans of those bands are not, but you have to remember who votes on the Hall---old men who like their 50's/60's R & B. Hall members include Soloman Burke, The Moonglows, Ruth Brown, Etta James, Elmore James, Fats Domino et al. Burke, in my opinion, wasn't half the singer Otis Redding was, but yet the old men voted him in.

If the hall even had their finger on the pulse of 80's English "alternative" music, one of the bands above would have already gotten the nod.

suprefan
04-19-2007, 07:37 PM
I read it here somewhere in the forum. I figured it was an exageration.

Call me ignorant, but do you (as in this forum in general) think The Smiths would be as big of a draw as Rage Against The Machine?
Like, I know the Smiths reunion would be a HUGE deal... but would they be enough to sell Coachella out 80 days in advance?
I dont know if they would, or wouldnt. Perhaps they would sell it out faster. Anyone have any thoughts on this?



If the Smiths did a true one off at Coachella, this years whole insanity would be a footnote in Coachella history. It would sell out in half the time this year did, all of the U.K. and Japan would be in attendance and the entire city of East L.A.

mob roulette
04-19-2007, 08:32 PM
If the Smiths did a true one off at Coachella, this years whole insanity would be a footnote in Coachella history. It would sell out in half the time this year did, all of the U.K. and Japan would be in attendance and the entire city of East L.A.

thank you.

rage patton
04-19-2007, 08:35 PM
If the Smiths did a true one off at Coachella, this years whole insanity would be a footnote in Coachella history. It would sell out in half the time this year did, all of the U.K. and Japan would be in attendance and the entire city of East L.A.

The part about the U.K. and Japan made me laugh cuz its true haha.
But you think it would be that much bigger than Rage? It would obviously excite a totally different crowd of people, but still... Dare I say it, Rage are "bigger" than the Smiths. As in, if you took a poll and asked people who's music they are more familiar with, more people would say Rage Against The Machine. I dont know who has sold more album and who has made more money and whatnot. Within this forum, I dont doubt the Smiths reunion would be a bigger deal than Rage. In fact, even in music news world, I believe The Smiths reunion would be even bigger news than Rage. However, I still have this feeling it wouldnt sell out as fast as Rage.
Maybe I am being biased though, since I Rage were one of the first bands I ever got really into. However, everyone on this forum is pretty biased as well haha.
I am more inclined to actually say it would sell out probably just as fast, if not, just a tiny bit slower. Like... within days kind of slower. Just my thoughts.

mob roulette
04-19-2007, 08:41 PM
there are at least a few miliion americans who wouldn't be caught dead at coachella 07 who would likely line up for the smiths. mark my words. they were that important to that many people.

full on idle
04-19-2007, 08:42 PM
Hi James.

mob roulette
04-19-2007, 08:43 PM
Hi Valarie. How are you?

rage patton
04-19-2007, 08:44 PM
there are at least a few miliion americans who wouldn't be caught dead at coachella 07 who would likely line up for the smiths. mark my words. they were that important to that many people.

Same can be said about Rage Against The Machine.
I do realize they are that important to many people. I havent doubted that for a second. I was just saying, Rage are more "popular." I use quotes around words like "popular" and "bigger" because both bands appeal, for the most part, to completely different crowds.

full on idle
04-19-2007, 08:46 PM
Hi Valarie. How are you?
I maintain. What's good?

mob roulette
04-19-2007, 08:53 PM
Same can be said about Rage Against The Machine.
I do realize they are that important to many people. I havent doubted that for a second. I was just saying, Rage are more "popular." I use quotes around words like "popular" and "bigger" because both bands appeal, for the most part, to completely different crowds.

no offense, but i think you might be looking through rose colored glasses here. this is history. smiths were that big WITHOUT mtv and corporate radio play, for the most part. rage against the machine reuniting is a big deal, i'll give you that, but a smiths TOUR would sell out in a matter of days, a one-off like coachella would sell out in HOURS. quite literally. i don't know how good the performance would be, but the hype would be EPIC.


I maintain. What's good?

i just won fifty bucks at the track. well eighty, but i spent thirty to get it. also my girlfriend is mad at me so i went back to the office. trying to decide whether to sleep here or go to the bar. waiting for the i'm sorry call basically. not for another couple hours i'm sure. but we will see.

full on idle
04-19-2007, 08:54 PM
Don't sleep at the office, dog, that's like changing your shoes at the atm kiosk.

mob roulette
04-19-2007, 08:59 PM
true dat. good memory. plus need a shower. i smell like an ashtray. and i don't even smoke. i have those clorox wipes in my desk but that's not the same thing at all. time to call the homeys, i guess.

full on idle
04-19-2007, 08:59 PM
keep your head up

mob roulette
04-19-2007, 09:02 PM
kthx

full on idle
04-19-2007, 09:04 PM
LOLttys

rage patton
04-19-2007, 09:06 PM
no offense, but i think you might be looking through rose colored glasses here. this is history. smiths were that big WITHOUT mtv and corporate radio play, for the most part. rage against the machine reuniting is a big deal, i'll give you that, but a smiths TOUR would sell out in a matter of days, a one-off like coachella would sell out in HOURS. quite literally. i don't know how good the performance would be, but the hype would be EPIC.

I dont doubt a one of at Coachella (as well a performance at the Rock n Roll hall of fame) would be EPIC. I also agree a Smith tour would sell out in days for sure. I just think commercialy at a festival, like Coachella, Rage would sell tickets more quickly than the Smiths. As I said, probably minimaly, like within a couple days. I also do know the Smiths are a huge part of music history. I will even go as far as to say the Smiths are more "influential" than Rage. (Even though influential is an incredibly loaded word when it comes to music.) But I heard the Rock the Bells show in NY sold out in one or two days or something like that, didnt it?
I'll just say this... Rage sold out Coachella 80 days in advance. My guess is the Smiths would sell out, granted tickets are released in the exact same time frame between ticket sales and the show (ex Jan 27-Apr 27) and the same price (in relativity to inflation), Coachella between 70-80 days in advance.

mob roulette
04-19-2007, 09:18 PM
let me try this again. no festivals, no headliners, just a one off peformance. who sells out madison square garden first, rage against the machine or the smiths? the answer is fairly obvious. to me anyways.

i'm not hating on your love of rage. i just think that perhaps your admiration of them might be slightly disproportionate to the actual fan base of either band. rage against the machine had a broader commercial appeal when they first came out, and likely still do, but the smiths are infinitely more popular than them. you just don't see their fans because they're probably typically a bit older than you. take a survey some time. ask your dentist. your accountant. any white collar type. you will see.

Hannahrain
04-19-2007, 09:25 PM
ask your dentist. your accountant. any white collar type. you will see.

You also have to consider the fact that the older and most likely more financially stable Smiths fans are probably more able to buy tickets right away.


(What do you call a RATM fan [or hippie, hipster, insert generalization here] without a girlfriend? Homeless.)

Alchemy
04-19-2007, 09:29 PM
I have to agree with Mob. A show from The Smiths would greatly exceed a RATM show. It doesn't seem that way because RATM is still fresh, and their fans still talk about music and get on message boards. Fans of The Smiths talk about boring things these days like doing their taxes and taking their kids to school. They may be hidden, but they are in numbers.

rage patton
04-19-2007, 09:42 PM
let me try this again. no festivals, no headliners, just a one off peformance. who sells out madison square garden first, rage against the machine or the smiths? the answer is fairly obvious. to me anyways.

i'm not hating on your love of rage. i just think that perhaps your admiration of them might be slightly disproportionate to the actual fan base of either band. rage against the machine had a broader commercial appeal when they first came out, and likely still do, but the smiths are infinitely more popular than them. you just don't see their fans because they're probably typically a bit older than you. take a survey some time. ask your dentist. your accountant. any white collar type. you will see.

When you put it that way, I would agree the Smiths would sell out Madison Square Garden faster than Rage. If it was just a one off and no other bands were playing the show.
Also, I asked my parents who both grew up in the 80s... they both said they had never heard of the Smiths. And my dad is an accountant by the way. Nothing against your argument, it just something to note.
Perhaps I am blinded, but I have asked some other people who they think would be a bigger deal. Most have said Rage, and some have said the Smiths.
I just think in a festival setting, Rage would generate faster ticket sales.
I'll create a scenario. If Rage this year were replaced with The Smiths, as in Rage were never annouced and The Smiths were annouced as Day 3 headliner from the get go, tickets would have sold out extremely fast, but a couple days slower than Rage. Just my prediction/thoughts.

roberto73
04-19-2007, 10:00 PM
I've gotta side with The Smiths on this one. A couple people mentioned the legions of older fans they have, and I think the passage of time, and the fans that have accrued during that time, easily tips the scales in The Smiths' favor. You've got the people who were fans during the 80's, people who got into them during Morrissey's early-90's solo success, and the fans who only just discovered them after Morrissey's recent resurgence. Combine that demographic with the band's global impact over the last 25 years, and I think the sheer weight of numbers/fan hysteria lies with The Smiths.

I'd also make the argument (and it might be a dubious one) that their music appeals to a larger cross section of people than does RATM's. Love or hate Morrissey's vocal style, the sheer aggression of Rage's music limits their appeal, whereas The Smiths' music is definitely easier on the ears.

Having said all that, I'd hate to see a Smiths reunion. I love them and they've been unbelievably important to me over the years, but I just don't think they could recapture the magic.

PassiveTheory
04-19-2007, 10:18 PM
I know it's heresy in places like this, but really....The SMITHS in the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame? Before the Cure, XTC or New Order?

I don't care if you're fans of those bands are not, but you have to remember who votes on the Hall---old men who like their 50's/60's R & B. Hall members include Soloman Burke, The Moonglows, Ruth Brown, Etta James, Elmore James, Fats Domino et al. Burke, in my opinion, wasn't half the singer Otis Redding was, but yet the old men voted him in.

If the hall even had their finger on the pulse of 80's English "alternative" music, one of the bands above would have already gotten the nod.

Um... These are the same people who voted in R.E.M. just last year... So I wouldn't bet on that.

I would pay anything questionably reasonable to see the Smiths play live (since I'm a youngin'), don't know and frankly don't care about what you all think. =D

TomAz
04-20-2007, 06:56 AM
I know it's heresy in places like this, but really....The SMITHS in the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame? Before the Cure, XTC or New Order?

I don't care if you're fans of those bands are not, but you have to remember who votes on the Hall---old men who like their 50's/60's R & B. Hall members include Soloman Burke, The Moonglows, Ruth Brown, Etta James, Elmore James, Fats Domino et al. Burke, in my opinion, wasn't half the singer Otis Redding was, but yet the old men voted him in.

If the hall even had their finger on the pulse of 80's English "alternative" music, one of the bands above would have already gotten the nod.

amen brother.

amyzzz
04-20-2007, 07:34 AM
How does one get tickets to the rock n roll hall of fame show?

I agree that this would be HUGE, and if they actually toured, I'd have to figure out some way to go to 5 shows in a row and take off a week of work for the road trip. Or at least see them at Coachella. :)

I also concede that I doubt The Smiths would be inducted next year.

mozabilly54
04-20-2007, 07:50 AM
morrissey and boz might show up but I doubt the four of them will be there. very unlikely.

kroqken
04-20-2007, 08:21 AM
The Smiths are one of the most influential bands in music history. However, I never see a reunion happening.