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iantmcfarland
01-24-2013, 10:35 PM
I mean, whatever. I was never going for the headliners. But it's still striking to me how weak the four we got are - of them I can only really consider Red Hot Chili Peppers a viable option.

What happened here?

AnthonyMBeck
01-24-2013, 10:43 PM
rhcp seems like a choice if you had no other choices possible

lehorne
01-24-2013, 10:50 PM
these guys below would have. And there is a bunch of nasty cartoon porn on Yahoo images when you type in "what the hell king of the hill". Some real low down perverts out there.

P.S. The vietnamese mom with Dale Gribble?

P.S.S. Bobby and Dale's native indian son DP-ing the blond cousin. F-in hell.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4601525716845860&pid=15.1

ialvarado2
01-24-2013, 10:50 PM
And at the same time rhcp is the crappiest they could have picked.

goldfinger19
01-24-2013, 11:09 PM
rhcp seems like a choice if you had no other choices possible

What he said

Spasso
01-24-2013, 11:33 PM
I personally would have preferred someone other than (2007 headliner) RHCP, but I suppose their last 6 albums have all reached the top 4 in the US charts and they have 25 singles that went top 10 on the US Alt chart. But not exactly current & relevant nor quite legends.

Phoenix? 1 album that ever charted in the US (#37) and 3 singles that showed up anywhere here, but at least current & have the hope of their new album.

Blur + Stone Roses though? No albums or singles ever in US top 45. Not current, not legends, almost no US success in their day, not reuniting for the first time in ages or anything. Putting the 2 of them together doesn't solve those problems.

Pretty happy with the rest, but top headliners do seem a bit thin.

lehorne
01-24-2013, 11:47 PM
Blur + Stone Roses though? No albums or singles ever in US top 45. Not current, not legends, almost no US success in their day, not reuniting for the first time in ages or anything. Putting the 2 of them together doesn't solve those problems.


It is pretty fucking crazy. Borderline madness even. That's why I love this festival.

Sladokusac
01-25-2013, 12:03 AM
i agree. paul tollett has just gone out of the way with his sometimes retarded love for the brit bands that mean shit in the USA
i truly respect that, he is a music fan and thats great, but this now is just a bit too much
i would understand if its an exclusivity thing, but its just the opposite, both blur and the stone roses played last year or will play this year every shitty fest in the world, so cant count on the brits traveling to coachella to see them
and in the US - these 2 bands are club level acts

magmazing
01-25-2013, 12:49 AM
I feel like they adopted the Sasquatch Festival way of booking. Get every top mid-card act you can and pick a couple to put on the top line in large font.

weekendCrush
01-25-2013, 02:00 AM
Line up is balanced as fuck

donuteater
01-25-2013, 02:06 AM
the headliners are weak. EXCEPT for RHCP, the fuck is wrong with you guys? how do you not like them? real talk. you fags are just mad that you cant see daft punk. quit bitchin

weekendCrush
01-25-2013, 02:09 AM
This year it's an ensemble effort instead of relying on 3 "huge" acts to tow the boat

libertine
01-25-2013, 02:14 AM
I'm English and I was shocked that blur and the roses are headlining, I thought they'd be there , but never headlining. Lot of people might not know their music , but one thing both bands will do is put an amazing live show on. I'm sure there will be enough Europeans , Australians to make the night a proper atmosphere.

Bumblebee
01-25-2013, 02:14 AM
the headliners are weak. EXCEPT for RHCP, the fuck is wrong with you guys? how do you not like them? real talk. you fags are just mad that you cant see daft punk. quit bitchin

Neil Young & Crazy Horse would have been a wiser choice.

Bumblebee
01-25-2013, 02:17 AM
i agree. paul tollett has just gone out of the way with his sometimes retarded love for the brit bands that mean shit in the USA
i truly respect that, he is a music fan and thats great, but this now is just a bit too much
i would understand if its an exclusivity thing, but its just the opposite, both blur and the stone roses played last year or will play this year every shitty fest in the world, so cant count on the brits traveling to coachella to see them
and in the US - these 2 bands are club level acts

Johnny Marr is playing Friday and the main stage will be a Manchester love fest. Laying the groundwork for 2014?

I also think you underestimate the number of Brits and other international fans that fly in, especially for W1.

kneuller
01-25-2013, 03:57 AM
Definitely the most underwhelmed that I've felt looking at a lineup drop. I'm not sure if it is because of the lack of solid headliners or if it is because pretty much every "wow" act was already revealed through other sources or fests getting bands or were expected. I was laughed at by a few people last year when I said that the XX and Vampire Weekend would be subs in 2013, and now I am almost disappointed to see them at 2 and 3 on their respected days. I guess the biggest "surprises" for me are New Order and Modest Mouse. Didn't expect them so I guess that's cool.

And if RHCP closes out the fest, it'll be an early night in for a lot of people in the campgrounds.

JayXMonsta
01-25-2013, 05:07 AM
The xx would have been as big as headliner as Blur or The Stone Roses... Really weak headliners imo amazing lineup though.

gaypalmsprings
01-25-2013, 05:10 AM
It's all about the money. GV did not want to shell out big bucks for big acts knowing that it would sell out anyways.


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thedevious
01-25-2013, 05:31 AM
Line up is balanced as fuck

Wholeheartedly agree, perfect way to word it. This lineup also shits all over last years stupid fucking mongoloid face.

Bumblebee
01-25-2013, 05:46 AM
It's all about the money. GV did not want to shell out big bucks for big acts knowing that it would sell out anyways.

Stones did $8 million in tickets sales PER GIG in December.

There's no proof of Bowie/Daft/NIN having touring activity this year and I doubt the Stones do any Festival.

gswhooper
01-25-2013, 06:56 AM
I doubt the Stones do any Festival.

Not even Glastonbury? Doubt that.

travelfan
01-25-2013, 07:03 AM
I am still baffled by Blur/Stone Roses just because I do not think the average American knows their stuff. For many people at the festival, they will only know one song (Song 2) between those two headliners, and many of them will not even know it is a Blur song. I had Blur as a #2 and Stone Roses in the Mojave/Outdoor in my head.

Phoenix is sort of weak, but they are very popular and have had more commercial success with singles than, say, Arcade Fire, so I'm not necessarily hating on them. This new album needs to be pretty big though.

RHCP...we all hate them, but this is a huge band.

Anyway, the headliners made me depressed for about 30 seconds when I saw the lineup, but everything else below that is pure gold.

SepaGroove
01-25-2013, 07:11 AM
Who gives a fuck about huge names when you have a lineup with this much diverse talent!?

I've never gone to Coachella specifically for the headliners, and this year will be no different.

But Blur/ Stone Roses is definitely a weird Friday night headliner combo for a U.S. festival.

jeffwilson
01-25-2013, 07:15 AM
I am glad someone else compared this to Sasquatch. Because this years lineup could be slapped on a Sasquatch poster and no one would be the wiser.

Note: this is not a bad thing

braundiggity
01-25-2013, 07:16 AM
i would understand if its an exclusivity thing, but its just the opposite, both blur and the stone roses played last year or will play this year every shitty fest in the world, so cant count on the brits traveling to coachella to see them
and in the US - these 2 bands are club level acts

FWIW, pretty sure it's the first and possibly only reunion show for both bands in the US.

nationocean
01-25-2013, 07:34 AM
All I wanted about this poster was to not see RHCP on it... THAT'S ALL I WANTED... I would have taken pretty much anyone else this year. ANYONE. Jesus Paul. WHY?!
ughs.. okay, I'll get over it.

/rant

jeffwilson
01-25-2013, 07:52 AM
All I wanted about this poster was to not see RHCP on it... THAT'S ALL I WANTED... I would have taken pretty much anyone else this year. ANYONE. Jesus Paul. WHY?!
ughs.. okay, I'll get over it.

/rant


"Oh shit, Daft Punk/The Rolling Stones just fucked us over! Quick! Find a name that people recognize but haven't been relevant in years!"

That is exactly how the conversation in GV went.

baily
01-25-2013, 08:09 AM
every year I'm a bit disappointed at the lineup...this year not as much, but understand once you start researching the bands....there are always awesome groups you've never heard of that you'll become a fan of once you see them live at Coachella.

I don't get caught up in the initial feeling of the lineup release....because I know even if the sesame street band was the headliner I always have a blast at the festival.

WhatLies
01-25-2013, 08:24 AM
Honestly, I just don't get why they would go with RHCP over Pearl Jam. It makes zero sense. The only explanation would be an irrational one, ie. Goldenvoice has a grudge against Eddie Vedder for trying to taking legal action against ticket master.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
01-25-2013, 08:29 AM
Goldenvoice and Pearl Jam don't get along.

stephen22
01-25-2013, 08:33 AM
The Stone Roses/Blur double headliner is actually really cool in my opinion....and the fact that Grinderman, Lou Reed, Modest Mouse, J5, and YYYs lead into that sounds even better.

With that being said, I am still shocked that we are getting Stone Roses and Blur as the headliner after how low Pulp was billed last year.

nationocean
01-25-2013, 08:43 AM
RHCP is just lazy. There is no reason at all they should be headlining this year. So many other bands who can prove themselves for headlining status, and just as many new acts out there still never chosen to headline. They have already extensively toured this past year, they live in LA there is nothing special or new to do as a headliner for them. Yet, we have to listen to Scar tissue and other crappy songs once again from the mainstage. GRRRRR! fuck them and GV for being so damn lazy.

SlowMotionApocalypse
01-25-2013, 08:45 AM
Not even Glastonbury? Doubt that.

Glastonbury doesn't pay enough. The Stones are far beyond taking any gig just for the prestige. Pulling in $8 million a gig for arena shows set a new standard for how they are going to approach things in the future.

They are only doing about 10-20 gigs in 2013, for absolute top dollar. So Coachella, Glastonbury, etc are out.

SlowMotionApocalypse
01-25-2013, 08:46 AM
RHCP is the equivalent of the midnight clean up set on the bar scene. You gotta have someone playing because there are still people hanging out and buying drinks but most people are heading out.

wompwomp
01-25-2013, 08:49 AM
With that being said, I am still shocked that we are getting Stone Roses and Blur as the headliner after how low Pulp was billed last year.

and especially with how small the crowd was during Pulp! It was dead. It is going to be amazing to see how dead the mainstage is Friday night.

shoegazer76
01-25-2013, 08:52 AM
RHCP is the equivalent of the midnight clean up set on the bar scene. You gotta have someone playing because there are still people hanging out and buying drinks but most people are heading out.

To the point and 100% true. The best perspective on this booking yet.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
01-25-2013, 08:52 AM
Hey guys, here is a thought, maybe Blur and Stone Roses were asked to headline after the Rolling Stones didn't pan out....

Zafocaine
01-25-2013, 08:57 AM
I mean, whatever. I was never going for the headliners. But it's still striking to me how weak the four we got are - of them I can only really consider Red Hot Chili Peppers a viable option.

What happened here?

Didn't I say RHCP and Modest Mouse? Not sure how Blurillaz and Stone Roses beat out Modest Mouse, considering Song 2 is the only song I know by either of them without youtubing. Either way, I'll be there. Hopefully with rocks on.

shoegazer76
01-25-2013, 09:01 AM
Hey guys, here is a thought, maybe Blur and Stone Roses were asked to headline after the Rolling Stones didn't pan out....

I dont think anybody is complaining about friday's lineup.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
01-25-2013, 09:03 AM
I dont think anybody is complaining about friday's lineup.

but people are complaining about the headliners...

enginedown
01-25-2013, 09:05 AM
I just think it's hilarious that EVERYONE was CONVINCED that blur wouldn't headline, phoenix couldn't headline by themselves, and RHCP would be a cop-out. AND ALL OF THAT HAPPENED! Hahahah, in your face board hipsters.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
01-25-2013, 09:06 AM
? I don't understand....wouldn't hispters be happy with Blur and Phoenix headlining?

shoegazer76
01-25-2013, 09:11 AM
Anybody complaining about Friday's headliners shouldn't attend at all. Saturday & Sunday's headliner are lackluster but entertaining to some folks. Goldenvoice wins the fans are satisfied and for one year finally the scalpers will lose.

MantisMel
01-25-2013, 09:20 AM
Blur + Stone Roses though? No albums or singles ever in US top 45. Not current, not legends, almost no US success in their day, not reuniting for the first time in ages or anything. Putting the 2 of them together doesn't solve those problems.


Seriously? The Stone Roses ARE legends and anyone with good music taste would know this. Period. Lack of a decent headliner that YOU consider worthy is laughable at this point.

nationocean
01-25-2013, 09:23 AM
Blur * The Stone Roses * Phoenix are all fine. I don't get that part. I'm not surprised or upset that any of them are playing. Just irked about RHCP.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
01-25-2013, 09:33 AM
Blur * The Stone Roses * Phoenix are all fine. I don't get that part. I'm not surprised or upset that any of them are playing. Just irked about RHCP.

While I agree, the undercard is so amazing and conflict ridden that I don't care. I might even take in a RHCP song or 2 depending on the set times.

theecat
01-25-2013, 09:41 AM
Seriously? The Stone Roses ARE legends and anyone with good music taste would know this. Period.

THIS.

On another note I went to the Walkmen show in SLC with some pals and one of them mentioned some pretty wild ideas for this concert. One of which was that GV had lost so much money on the cruise that they are intentionally booking sub par headliners. I swear... if GV keeps this price tag, does another cruise that barely sells, and then leaves us high and dry on quality headliners... I'll be pretty peeved.

the comment(s) of how Daft and Rolling stones backed out at the end and RHCP was a quick filler... totally agree.

I still think they are going to add something for Saturday headliner wise. I have the feeling that they kept delaying the announcement because they are still finalizing 1 or 2 contracts. who knows though.

Finally, I'm totally happy with this. I feel like the price hike isn't warranted at all, but since I've already bought my tickets... I'm super stoked.

Zafocaine
01-25-2013, 09:46 AM
There's going to be an announcement the second weekend stating that Coachella will NOT be back in 2014. A note to everyone threatening not to enjoy this Coachella--- it will be your last.

igotmyxomatosis
01-25-2013, 09:49 AM
Honestly, I just don't get why they would go with RHCP over Pearl Jam. It makes zero sense. The only explanation would be an irrational one, ie. Goldenvoice has a grudge against Eddie Vedder for trying to taking legal action against ticket master.

what i want to know is why the fuck they didnt just call jay z and kanye? i mean, fuck, how obvious is that for a backup plan? the masses love them, and they would end the festival on a good note.

i mean for fucks sake, at least put in Blur to close the festival and hope they kill it. rhcp has literally a 0% chance of doing anything memorable

stephen22
01-25-2013, 09:50 AM
Why are we all so quick to assume RHCP were a last minute replacement? Yes I am appalled by the booking considering it's A. Lazy and B. a joke without John on guitar...but They have great ties with Paul T and the festival. Maybe they were meant to be the Friday band with The Stone Roses or Blur as the opener. A bigger act was probably planned for Sunday with the other Brit band opening. I think it makes more sense that Stone Roses/Blur was last minute.


Once again...I am super excited for Stone Roses/Blur and super not excited at all or RHCP.

goldfinger19
01-25-2013, 09:52 AM
but people are complaining about the headliners...

Well they shouldn't be.

zachattacks11
01-25-2013, 09:57 AM
what i want to know is why the fuck they didnt just call jay z and kanye? i mean, fuck, how obvious is that for a backup plan? the masses love them, and they would end the festival on a good note.

i mean for fucks sake, at least put in Blur to close the festival and hope they kill it. rhcp has literally a 0% chance of doing anything memorable

Frusciante playing a one off is the only chance they have to leave a mark, but I highly doubt that would happen, so probably just another show for them. Not very exciting at all.

Zafocaine
01-25-2013, 10:00 AM
what i want to know is why the fuck they didnt just call jay z and kanye? i mean, fuck, how obvious is that for a backup plan? the masses love them, and they would end the festival on a good note.

i mean for fucks sake, at least put in Blur to close the festival and hope they kill it. rhcp has literally a 0% chance of doing anything memorable

RHCP are the only headliner listed as a headliner. If you think Phoenix are a headliner, then you haven't heard them. I think the fact that the XX are billed so high shows that Coachella has run out of ideas. The XX are one of the most garbage bands people have been speculating to play Coachella. A waste of concert space for the two or three tolerable songs they have. RHCP is actually sort of genius. I was a fan of theirs in the 90s, as were a lot of you. We grew up, and RHCP kept making music unfortunately. The people who like RHCP now think that Stadium Arcadium was a great album, which, compared to their previous efforts, is absolutely false. I'm going to be wanting RHCP from the movie Thrashin. Not RHCP wearing emo socks on their arms. We'll see how it turns out though, apparently. Looking forward to see them, socks on their cocks, or socks on their arms. Let's have a good double weekend, ya'lls.

donomyte
01-25-2013, 10:04 AM
All I wanted about this poster was to not see RHCP on it... THAT'S ALL I WANTED... I would have taken pretty much anyone else this year. ANYONE. Jesus Paul. WHY?!
ughs.. okay, I'll get over it.

/rant


^^^ You speak for a legion of us. Fuck, they might as well threw Nickelback up there - I would have been equally disappointed.

richiedigs
01-25-2013, 10:18 AM
you guys see shitty headliners..


i see a couple less conflicts at night..

I've got to see Blur, though. If all you know is "Song 2" then you should dig into their back catalogue a little deeper.

Zafocaine
01-25-2013, 10:19 AM
^^^ You speak for a legion of us. Fuck, they might as well threw Nickelback up there - I would have been equally disappointed.

They should have put Nickelback on the outdoor to close out the night counter RHCP and successfully drive a steak through the Legion's heart all at once. Having grown up with RHCP, I don't see how you could even compare them to Creed-like rockers Nickelback. Consider NOT buying tickets now, as you clearly missed the presale and will be taking up a happy persons spot if you end up going.

stephen22
01-25-2013, 10:26 AM
Phoenix is the default festival headliner of 2013. You will see them headline Bonnaroo or Lolla or maybe even both. Get used to it folks.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
01-25-2013, 10:30 AM
On another note I went to the Walkmen show in SLC with some pals and one of them mentioned some pretty wild ideas for this concert. One of which was that GV had lost so much money on the cruise that they are intentionally booking sub par headliners. I swear... if GV keeps this price tag, does another cruise that barely sells, and then leaves us high and dry on quality headliners... I'll be pretty peeved.

the comment(s) of how Daft and Rolling stones backed out at the end and RHCP was a quick filler... totally agree.

I still think they are going to add something for Saturday headliner wise. I have the feeling that they kept delaying the announcement because they are still finalizing 1 or 2 contracts. who knows though.

A majority of this is incorrect.

gswhooper
01-25-2013, 10:33 AM
Phoenix is Bankrupt, which probably means GV got them for very cheap.

SlowMotionApocalypse
01-25-2013, 10:49 AM
The Stones didn't back out because they never were in.

niksterg11
01-25-2013, 11:04 AM
Phoenix is Bankrupt, which probably means GV got them for very cheap.

every one of your posts is gold.

davrone
01-25-2013, 11:09 AM
YAWN. Stop complaining and don't fucking go. Less-crowded-chella 2013! :D

gswhooper
01-25-2013, 11:16 AM
every one of your posts is gold.

Can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic.

heart cooks brain
01-25-2013, 11:19 AM
the headliners are weak. EXCEPT for RHCP, the fuck is wrong with you guys? how do you not like them? real talk. you fags are just mad that you cant see daft punk. quit bitchin

i can't remember is this reportable?

Zafocaine
01-25-2013, 11:20 AM
Can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic.

If you think he's being serious, then something is clearly wrong with you. The rest of us know something is wrong with you. We were waiting for the realization to catch up with you, but I had to go and ruin the surprise. Woops.

gswhooper
01-25-2013, 11:23 AM
If you think he's being serious, then something is clearly wrong with you. The rest of us know something is wrong with you. We were waiting for the realization to catch up with you, but I had to go and ruin the surprise. Woops.

LOL. Who is us? As I recall everyone else on the board thinks you're a piece of shit methhead.

Zafocaine
01-25-2013, 11:30 AM
LOL. Who is us? As I recall everyone else on the board thinks you're a piece of shit methhead.

It speaks volumes of them, doesn't it? I'm one of the only pieces of shit on this board who doesn't have a hole-littered brain from meth/ e use. Go figure, it's all they can come up with when trying to do me bad. Almost like meth abuse leaves you calling other people meth heads when you can't build your torts properly. Glad you could LOL, as I was being sarcastic (twat).

PJandBompton
01-25-2013, 11:33 AM
All I wanted about this poster was to not see RHCP on it... THAT'S ALL I WANTED... I would have taken pretty much anyone else this year. ANYONE. Jesus Paul. WHY?!
ughs.. okay, I'll get over it.

/rant

THIS

mrhand
01-25-2013, 11:37 AM
It's all about the money. GV did not want to shell out big bucks for big acts knowing that it would sell out anyways.


Interesting point. They clearly scrimped on the headliners, and even though there are more bands overall and a quality undercard, there really aren't many acts that would be considered bigger-payday types. They either made a conscious decision to cut back the talent budget and scrape as much profit as possible out of the overwhelming demand and guaranteed sellout, or they were stuck in a situation where they just couldn't get any of the bigger names they wanted. Or maybe the latter reality convinced them to accept the former, if they didn't think the big-paycheck bands available were worth the money or would add much value to the festival.


and especially with how small the crowd was during Pulp! It was dead. It is going to be amazing to see how dead the mainstage is Friday night.

This is going to be an embarrassment for both GV and the bands themselves when they realize what a dud Friday night turns out to be. 4 straight hours of prime-time main-stage real estate wasted on bands that should be on the Outdoor or Mojave. You'll have a few thousand Brits and other various furriners, a few thousand die-hard Muricans, and then tons of empty green grass. Putting aside my opinion of both bands as boring and pedestrian, it's poor form for the festival to have a sparsely populated lackluster crowd on the main stage for that peak period.

Imagine the crowd for Dre/Snoop or Radiohead, and then divide that by 10.


rhcp has literally a 0% chance of doing anything memorable

Lyrics rhyming with state names aren't memorable? :puke

loubque
01-25-2013, 11:38 AM
The xx would have been as big as headliner as Blur or The Stone Roses... Really weak headliners imo amazing lineup though.

I think YYY's shouldve been a headliner.

PJandBompton
01-25-2013, 11:47 AM
http://festivalfling.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Coachella.jpeg

will there even be this many people there Friday night? i honestly don't think so...

cannot believe we're going from fucking DR. DRE closing the weekend to the Chili Peppers...fuck

travelfan
01-25-2013, 11:50 AM
This is going to be an embarrassment for both GV and the bands themselves when they realize what a dud Friday night turns out to be. 4 straight hours of prime-time main-stage real estate wasted on bands that should be on the Outdoor or Mojave. You'll have a few thousand Brits and other various furriners, a few thousand die-hard Muricans, and then tons of empty green grass. Putting aside my opinion of both bands as boring and pedestrian, it's poor form for the festival to have a sparsely populated lackluster crowd on the main stage for that peak period.

I have respect for Blur and the Stone Roses, and think GV had every right to book them, but this is sort of correct. The headlining crowd is going to be small. I predict they close the outdoor a la Pulp last year to at least funnel people over there.

Sensuality
01-25-2013, 11:53 AM
If this is a way of weeding out the morons that go just for the mega-huge headliners, I'm all for it... I'd rather be around people who appreciate all aspects of the lineup.

People really need to broaden their fucking horizons and quit complaining.

wompwomp
01-25-2013, 11:57 AM
YYY's and Modest Mouse should close the mainstage with Blur and Stone Roses closing out the Outdoor. Guarantee the YYY's will have a bigger crowd than both of the Brits.

Zafocaine
01-25-2013, 12:02 PM
Modest Mouse is clearly the headliner for Friday. I don't think I've ever been so excited to ditch the "headliner" for the real deal. Britchella just isn't working for me. I'll listen to a couple more Blur records in their entirety, but I will still very likely not be there to see the live. I'm not much of a Radiohead fan, but even I had to stand there and watch them. Stone Roses/ Blur? Fuck that. I'm glad you guys who like them are happy and getting excited for their sets, but I would suck Coachella's tits off for a real headliner on Friday of Weekend 2. Now, does anyone else wonder how YYYs got such high standing for this? They basically blew last time they were at Coachella, and haven't released anything of note since. Is this how it works? As long as you technically exist four years later, you will be bumped up? Beyonce and JT should have headlined Friday/ Saturday. Someone had to take it there. WHY, GV? WHYYYYYYYY?!?!?! Ah, fuck it. I'll check out whoever is still playing when MM finish their set.

Zafocaine
01-25-2013, 12:03 PM
If this is a way of weeding out the morons that go just for the mega-huge headliners, I'm all for it... I'd rather be around people who appreciate all aspects of the lineup.

People really need to broaden their fucking horizons and quit complaining.

So then.... people wearing neon indian headdresses covered in dayglo paint, shirtless, sweating the drugs out on a cool desert night? Get fycked. Get fycked in the fycking ear, mother fycker.

SlowMotionApocalypse
01-25-2013, 12:07 PM
The headliners almost don't matter. And I am sure most of the bands I want to see will play Coachella West aka the FYF festival in August.

ameeps
01-25-2013, 12:22 PM
This is website is hilarious. Reminds me of who is arcade fire.

http://whoarethestoneroses.tumblr.com

Boourns
01-25-2013, 12:29 PM
Goldenvoice has balls for putting Blur and the Stone Roses at the top of the bill and should be commended for it. As the biggest, most prestigious fest in the US, they have that power to define what is a headliner.
Glastonbury has been doing it for years (although not so much lately), and Coachella should have done it last year with Pulp or, although I hate them, Swedish House Mafia.

Blur already has the track record to ease any concerns that they won't be a flop like Jack Johnson or Glasto's Happy Mondays or Shalespear's Sister.

concertgoer
01-25-2013, 12:36 PM
Goldenvoice has balls for putting Blur and the Stone Roses at the top of the bill and should be commended for it. As the biggest, most prestigious fest in the US, they have that power to define what is a headliner.
Glastonbury has been doing it for years (although not so much lately), and Coachella should have done it last year with Pulp or, although I hate them, Swedish House Mafia.

Blur already has the track record to ease any concerns that they won't be a flop like Jack Johnson or Glasto's Happy Mondays or Shalespear's Sister.

This is spot on and I hope that Goldenvoice continues to do this in the future.

FEELS
01-25-2013, 12:38 PM
This is website is hilarious. Reminds me of who is arcade fire.

http://whoarethestoneroses.tumblr.com

Lol. Since I live out here in the valley, a lot of facebook posts were asking the same question.

PulpOne
01-25-2013, 12:52 PM
Goldenvoice has balls for putting Blur and the Stone Roses at the top of the bill and should be commended for it. As the biggest, most prestigious fest in the US, they have that power to define what is a headliner.
Glastonbury has been doing it for years (although not so much lately), and Coachella should have done it last year with Pulp or, although I hate them, Swedish House Mafia.

Blur already has the track record to ease any concerns that they won't be a flop like Jack Johnson or Glasto's Happy Mondays or Shalespear's Sister.

This. The lineup is awesome. RHCP are less than desirable. Do you think the two weekend Coachella is interfering with the process of locking down solid headliners (Sat/Sun)?

canexplain
01-25-2013, 12:54 PM
A bit self serving but I think the Coachella BOARD has more music knowledge than some ...cr****

Boourns
01-25-2013, 12:56 PM
Given the choice, I'd take a commercially weaker but musically legit headliner over something popular but horrible if someone like Daft Punk can't get their shit together.

PJandBompton
01-25-2013, 01:01 PM
Goldenvoice has balls for putting Blur and the Stone Roses at the top of the bill and should be commended for it. As the biggest, most prestigious fest in the US, they have that power to define what is a headliner.
Glastonbury has been doing it for years (although not so much lately), and Coachella should have done it last year with Pulp or, although I hate them, Swedish House Mafia.

Blur already has the track record to ease any concerns that they won't be a flop like Jack Johnson or Glasto's Happy Mondays or Shalespear's Sister.

while this did cross my mind, and I see your point, Coachella isn't Glasto.

Coachella got to expand to 2 weekends because of all the EDM fucktards and attention for grabbing HEADLINERS like RATM, Prince, Radiohead, Kanye & Dr. Dre. we did see them take bands such as the Black Keys & Arcade Fire and make them headliners, which works when you also have such acts as Radiohead & Dre on the bill.

plain and simple, if they want to be like Glasto, fine, but make it one weekend again. don't be greedy and get 2 weekends worth of money out of people for acts that can be seen on tour this year pretty much everywhere. the WOW factor is what made Coachella special, and is what will keep it 2 weekends if it lasts...

edit - and RHCP...fuck ALL logic for them. not good, played everywhere, just lazy...it's gotta be their last shows or some shit

canexplain
01-25-2013, 01:03 PM
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t317/wakarusa1/madonna_zps2401a07a.jpg

:) cr****

Boourns
01-25-2013, 01:07 PM
It's already become the new Glasto. The hype, rumors, media attention, artwork, scramble for tickets, the rite of Passage status, and the value of "the experience" over the music for so many in attendance.

GV didn't make Arcade Fire a headliner in 2011; they already were by 2010. Well, they were a de facto headliner in 2008, if that's what you mean.

SlowMotionApocalypse
01-25-2013, 01:11 PM
Maybe it's time to start selling single day tickets again.

travelfan
01-25-2013, 01:12 PM
Coachella got to expand to 2 weekends because of all the EDM fucktards and attention for grabbing HEADLINERS like RATM, Prince, Radiohead, Kanye & Dr. Dre. we did see them take bands such as the Black Keys & Arcade Fire and make them headliners, which works when you also have such acts as Radiohead & Dre on the bill.

plain and simple, if they want to be like Glasto, fine, but make it one weekend again. don't be greedy and get 2 weekends worth of money out of people for acts that can be seen on tour this year pretty much everywhere. the WOW factor is what made Coachella special, and is what will keep it 2 weekends if it lasts...

The counter argument to this is that 2011 was the event that convinced them they had the demand for 2 weeks in the first place, and they had...who exactly? Kanye who is huge but incredibly divisive, and then Arcade Fire/KOL/Strokes which, without Kanye, is about as exciting as this year's headliners. And the "EDM fucktard" draws were two solo members of SHM before SHM was even that popular, and what, Shpongle? The big rare reunions were a disco punk group with one album and the Mexican version of the Cure?

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved 2011's lineup, but it's not like that was some gigantic mainstream extravaganza. 2012 was an anomaly with the big name EDM acts, which was speculated as a ticket selling hedge in case two weekends failed. Anybody who is demanding that type of lineup can only look to, oh, I don't know, every other year ever to see that was the exception, not the rule.

breakinglikewaves
01-25-2013, 01:18 PM
If this is a way of weeding out the morons that go just for the mega-huge headliners, I'm all for it... I'd rather be around people who appreciate all aspects of the lineup.

People really need to broaden their fucking horizons and quit complaining.


THIS. Most definitely

igotmyxomatosis
01-25-2013, 01:22 PM
RHCP are the only headliner listed as a headliner. If you think Phoenix are a headliner, then you haven't heard them. I think the fact that the XX are billed so high shows that Coachella has run out of ideas. The XX are one of the most garbage bands people have been speculating to play Coachella. A waste of concert space for the two or three tolerable songs they have. RHCP is actually sort of genius. I was a fan of theirs in the 90s, as were a lot of you. We grew up, and RHCP kept making music unfortunately. The people who like RHCP now think that Stadium Arcadium was a great album, which, compared to their previous efforts, is absolutely false. I'm going to be wanting RHCP from the movie Thrashin. Not RHCP wearing emo socks on their arms. We'll see how it turns out though, apparently. Looking forward to see them, socks on their cocks, or socks on their arms. Let's have a good double weekend, ya'lls.

I at least know I'm gonna have fun at Phoenix's set. They should have been the weak Black Keys headliner; that would have been okay. The Stone Roses have a special place in my heart with a lot of sentimental value and I'm going to enjoy that, but should they be a headliner? FUCK NO. They are a headliner in my heart but they do not belong. Blur I am thinking might be the surprise hit of the weekend depending on crowd energy so we'll see with that. Then we get the fucking RHCP. I mean, even the bros who love them are complaining about this shit. What have they done to deserve being the first triple headliner in the festival's history? And especially after headlining everything in fucking 2012?

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
01-25-2013, 01:34 PM
http://festivalfling.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Coachella.jpeg

will there even be this many people there Friday night? i honestly don't think so...

cannot believe we're going from fucking DR. DRE closing the weekend to the Chili Peppers...fuck

Honestly, Dr. Dre sucked and RHCP won't be any better.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
01-25-2013, 01:35 PM
Goldenvoice has balls for putting Blur and the Stone Roses at the top of the bill and should be commended for it. As the biggest, most prestigious fest in the US, they have that power to define what is a headliner.
Glastonbury has been doing it for years (although not so much lately), and Coachella should have done it last year with Pulp or, although I hate them, Swedish House Mafia.

Blur already has the track record to ease any concerns that they won't be a flop like Jack Johnson or Glasto's Happy Mondays or Shalespear's Sister.

Yep.

gary312
01-25-2013, 02:20 PM
Just a couple of thing.

1 - I could have sworn it went The Stone Roses . Blur at the top and not the other way like it is now?

And two, if you had have got Daft Punk, you wouldn't have cared if the other two were Pheonix and the YYY's. Infact, you probably wouldn't give a shit about any of the rest of the lineup.

You might call it biased but you have a band there that are performing as the 4 of them for the 1st time in either so long or ever as a group in the USA.

You also have a group who a long while ago it was all over the net, Blur to headline Coachella 2013? - Begging the question that it was presumed if they play they would do in some capacity. Not sure if they've played since 2003. Whereas, I understand for the US they are not deemed headliner size, people in the UK would go bloody crazy, in a good way if both of them topped a bill and the US got it.

RHCP - I'd see again, but people will call it how they like. Like or not, they are huge and with the the whole does the statement include April or not and shorter times than others between playing it was always in there.

For me, the weak headliner is Pheonix but I'm not american so respect their place in that market.

But there was no Daft Punk at Coachella ever going to happen in the end, the one band that might have had any substance was The Rolling Stones would have headlined over Pheonix.

Wether or not he does but Morrissey to make a cameo appearance during Johnny Mars set can't be ruled out

BROKENDOLL
01-25-2013, 02:44 PM
but people are complaining about the headliners...
Pfft, now, c'mon... People complaining? Around here? :rolleyes

enginedown
01-25-2013, 02:56 PM
I am hoping that RHCP will realize that people aren't too excited about them closing the festival and do something a little different than their typical set.. whether that's some rare songs, special guests, incredible visuals, I don't know, but I have faith.

iantmcfarland
01-25-2013, 03:29 PM
I am hoping that RHCP will realize that people aren't too excited about them closing the festival and do something a little different than their typical set.. whether that's some rare songs, special guests, incredible visuals, I don't know, but I have faith.

The best thing they could do is invite the rest of Atoms for Peace on stage. I am going to go ahead and get my hopes up for this thing that will not happen.

Pea
01-25-2013, 03:55 PM
If this has been discussed, then I apologize. Just too much to keep up with on the forum today.

I know there are two versions of the poster floating around (regarding the placement of Blur and The Stone Roses), but did anyone else notice that on the main page they have The Stone Roses headlining on weekend 1 and Blur on weekend 2?

nationocean
01-25-2013, 04:04 PM
There is absolutely nothing RCHP could do, unless they walked out, took the mic and said "we quit!" and then for no reason at all Aphex Twin closed the festival with INSANE visuals, 100 piece electronic orchestra dressed as zombies and a festival closer of blood curdling screams for 10 minutes straight... my god, it's full of stars

Bumblebee
01-25-2013, 06:47 PM
but people are complaining about the headliners...

I haven't seen people familiar with Blur/Roses like they have done with RHCP/Phoenix or some past headliners.

dontpanic
01-25-2013, 07:07 PM
If this has been discussed, then I apologize. Just too much to keep up with on the forum today.

I know there are two versions of the poster floating around (regarding the placement of Blur and The Stone Roses), but did anyone else notice that on the main page they have The Stone Roses headlining on weekend 1 and Blur on weekend 2?

Also noticed that. Interesting.

Kitsgirl
01-25-2013, 07:15 PM
If this has been discussed, then I apologize. Just too much to keep up with on the forum today.

I know there are two versions of the poster floating around (regarding the placement of Blur and The Stone Roses), but did anyone else notice that on the main page they have The Stone Roses headlining on weekend 1 and Blur on weekend 2?

Good catch - I thought they updated it. Didn't notice the difference was between weekend 1 and weekend 2.

themonstermash
01-26-2013, 01:36 AM
First of all, I'm absolutely over the moon with the lineup, despite the headliners seeming a little meh... I just have one question as this will be my first time at Coachella.

Is the possibility of late adds to the lineup a myth or has this happened in the past? And if so, has it ever happened with a headliner sized artist?

I noticed on facebook the caption to the lineup says FIRST... what the hell for... is there a possible 2nd announcement with one or more acts that are still in negotiations.

gary312
01-26-2013, 04:01 AM
The Stone Roses/Blur double headliner is actually really cool in my opinion....and the fact that Grinderman, Lou Reed, Modest Mouse, J5, and YYYs lead into that sounds even better.

With that being said, I am still shocked that we are getting Stone Roses and Blur as the headliner after how low Pulp was billed last year.

As Lou Reed going to clash with The Roses or Blur?

The thing you bring up with the Pulp thing is that although they were subbing, Blur and The Stone Roses are both hugely bigger than them. Pulp were sub to TBK but had SHM as a closing EDM act. Like in 2011, KOL headlined with The Chem Bro's as the closing dance act. 2010 had the same kinda thing.

gary312
01-26-2013, 04:04 AM
First of all, I'm absolutely over the moon with the lineup, despite the headliners seeming a little meh... I just have one question as this will be my first time at Coachella.

Is the possibility of late adds to the lineup a myth or has this happened in the past? And if so, has it ever happened with a headliner sized artist?

I noticed on facebook the caption to the lineup says FIRST... what the hell for... is there a possible 2nd announcement with one or more acts that are still in negotiations.

I've said this a few times. Yes it's possible as they have done and it's been said that you don't know definitely who's playing till it happens haha.

The word FIRST! does indicate something. There is no act going above on Friday or Sunday but Saturday IMO is possible.

Bumblebee
01-26-2013, 05:50 AM
Modest Mouse is clearly the headliner for Friday. I don't think I've ever been so excited to ditch the "headliner" for the real deal. Britchella just isn't working for me. I'll listen to a couple more Blur records in their entirety, but I will still very likely not be there to see the live. I'm not much of a Radiohead fan, but even I had to stand there and watch them. Stone Roses/ Blur? Fuck that.

I will concede that Blur can be "Too British" to american ears in the same way as The Kinks, but stick with a greatest hits album and that should cover most of the setlist. Anyone that spends time the classic Stone Roses album will get hooked. Americans just weren't exposed to that album for various reasons relating to the bands management/tiny label/not touring the US.

Read UK music mags and Stone Roses are considered equally as influential as Nirvana and it's been that way for over 20 years.


This is going to be an embarrassment for both GV and the bands themselves when they realize what a dud Friday night turns out to be. 4 straight hours of prime-time main-stage real estate wasted on bands that should be on the Outdoor or Mojave. You'll have a few thousand Brits and other various furriners,

Friday will be an interesting experiment to see if casual Coachella festival goers do their homework or not. It's not that they don't like the 2 bands(like KOL, Jack J, Pavement or Faith No More) it's that they've never been exposed to the band and their catalogues. We know many don't do homework on smaller/mid/sub names, but putting and "obscure" name on the top line might be different.

kerby14
01-26-2013, 09:02 AM
every year I'm a bit disappointed at the lineup...this year not as much, but understand once you start researching the bands....there are always awesome groups you've never heard of that you'll become a fan of once you see them live at Coachella.

I don't get caught up in the initial feeling of the lineup release....because I know even if the sesame street band was the headliner I always have a blast at the festival.

this

stephen22
01-26-2013, 11:12 AM
As Lou Reed going to clash with The Roses or Blur?

The thing you bring up with the Pulp thing is that although they were subbing, Blur and The Stone Roses are both hugely bigger than them. Pulp were sub to TBK but had SHM as a closing EDM act. Like in 2011, KOL headlined with The Chem Bro's as the closing dance act. 2010 had the same kinda thing.


I could be waaaaay wrong, but I thought that Pulp were at the very least AS popular as The Stone Roses in the US. Once again, I love all three bands. I am super pumped for the Stone Roses/Blur double headliner. But from a ticket selling point, I would be willing to bet more people know Common People than any single The Stone Roses ever had in the USA. I almost feel like by this logic The Verve should have double headlined with Jack Johnson.

Either way, it's just something to discuss for fun. Stone Roses/Blur is what will be bringing me back music wise.

donomyte
01-26-2013, 11:25 AM
They should have put Nickelback on the outdoor to close out the night counter RHCP and successfully drive a steak through the Legion's heart all at once. Having grown up with RHCP, I don't see how you could even compare them to Creed-like rockers Nickelback. Consider NOT buying tickets now, as you clearly missed the presale and will be taking up a happy persons spot if you end up going.

You're a fucking idiot on more levels than the reasons why RHCP are fucking terrible. First, you grew up on RHCP. You want a fucking cookie? I also grew up on them. Loved the shit out of them until Blood Sugar Sex Magic. That was the last worthwhile album they put out. They have been horrific radio garbage ever since. So they've been a goddamn joke for over 20 years now. Second, nobody compared them to Nickelback. I said I'd be equally disappointed with Nickelback. You did, however, compare Nickleback to Creed and despite them being equally wretched, they sound nothing alike. If you cleaned some of that semen out of your ears from your weekly bukkake sessions, you may be able to tell the difference. You may also then realize that RHCP have been nowhere near good for most of while you were "growing up on them"...unless you're over 35 years old. Lastly, not to let you down for being a +1 chormosome version of Sherlock Holmes, I am going...and I did get the presale. "Clearly." Hang yourself.

Zafocaine
01-26-2013, 11:41 AM
You're a fucking idiot on more levels than the reasons why RHCP are fucking terrible. First, you grew up on RHCP. You want a fucking cookie? I also grew up on them. Loved the shit out of them until Blood Sugar Sex Magic. That was the last worthwhile album they put out. They have been horrific radio garbage ever since. So they've been a goddamn joke for over 20 years now. Second, nobody compared them to Nickelback. I said I'd be equally disappointed with Nickelback. You did, however, compare Nickleback to Creed and despite them being equally wretched, they sound nothing alike. If you cleaned some of that semen out of your ears from your weekly bukkake sessions, you may be able to tell the difference. You may also then realize that RHCP have been nowhere near good for most of while you were "growing up on them"...unless you're over 35 years old. Lastly, not to let you down for being a +1 chormosome version of Sherlock Holmes, I am going...and I did get the presale. "Clearly." Hang yourself.

Did you make an account just to talk about your cum fantasies? It's good to see you've picked up some shit talk from lurking the boards, though your performance left much to be desired for anyone with more than a middle school education. I'm sure your community college peers would be quite proud of you. It appears that you agreed with me on most points, if you took the time to read what I posted. Nickelback and Creed are identical quality-wise. RHCP have been complete garbage since Californication. That was middle school, for me, and I became less of a fan for it during an era of my life when musical consciousness was more important. Not sure if your post was meant to disagree with me, or insult me, but you failed both attempts. Compose yourself and try again.

travelfan
01-26-2013, 11:44 AM
First of all, I'm absolutely over the moon with the lineup, despite the headliners seeming a little meh... I just have one question as this will be my first time at Coachella.

Is the possibility of late adds to the lineup a myth or has this happened in the past? And if so, has it ever happened with a headliner sized artist?

I noticed on facebook the caption to the lineup says FIRST... what the hell for... is there a possible 2nd announcement with one or more acts that are still in negotiations.

Late adds have absolutely occurred in the past, with Prince being a late add headliner in 2008, and other major late adds including Madonna, Kanye West, etc happening. However, as far as I remember, these adds were to try to push slowing ticket sales, and there has never been a huge add after the festival has sold out. Since 2010, the adds have been fairly unexciting due to the quicker and quicker sell outs (Die Antwoord in 2010, I don't remember any in 2011, and then wallpaper./Mea/Tijuana Panthers/Kiss Kiss Bang Bang in 2012). If this sells out both weekends in a week, let alone a couple hours like last year, I wouldn't expect anything bigger than the bottom rows of the undercard.

sabellard
01-26-2013, 11:51 AM
Call me a conspiracy theorist but...

That random leaked app notification originally said the Rolling Stones would be playing on the Friday of Coachella. The current bill has two British rock groups headlining Friday (The Stone Roses, and Blur). For an event that is so good about not having their lineup information leak, that seems like such an unlikely gaffe. Furthermore, why would that information even exist if the Rolling Stones had not already signed a contract to perform.

Saturday- Frenchmen Phoenix are the current headliner. Could another French group be added to the bill?... Daft Punk? Daft Punk did come out with Phoenix at an MSG show in 2010.

Sunday- I think Atoms for Peace might show up as Flea is a member of that band anyway.

Thoughts? Am I bat-shit crazy?

donomyte
01-26-2013, 11:51 AM
Did you make an account just to talk about your cum fantasies? It's good to see you've picked up some shit talk from lurking the boards, though your performance left much to be desired for anyone with more than a middle school education. I'm sure your community college peers would be quite proud of you. It appears that you agreed with me on most points, if you took the time to read what I posted. Nickelback and Creed are identical quality-wise. RHCP have been complete garbage since Californication. That was middle school, for me, and I became less of a fan for it during an era of my life when musical consciousness was more important. Not sure if your post was meant to disagree with me, or insult me, but you failed both attempts. Compose yourself and try again.


No, I'm good. "Clearly" your tail is between your legs now. Good day.

Zafocaine
01-26-2013, 11:53 AM
No, I'm good. "Clearly" your tail is between your legs now. Good day.

Is it nap time, lil tuck? Looks like you ran out of searingly stupid shit to say. Go review more MJA posts so we can continue this.

Bumblebee
01-26-2013, 12:03 PM
Call me a conspiracy theorist but...

That random leaked app notification originally said the Rolling Stones would be playing on the Friday of Coachella. The current bill has two British rock groups headlining Friday (The Stone Roses, and Blur). For an event that is so good about not having their lineup information leak, that seems like such an unlikely gaffe. Furthermore, why would that information even exist if the Rolling Stones had not already signed a contract to perform.

2009 - Cure & McCartney

RHCP in for Stones seems to be the more popular guess. The Friday headliners would have taken many months to plan a head. Blur seem to know months ago about "spring dates"

donomyte
01-26-2013, 12:03 PM
Is it nap time, lil tuck? Looks like you ran out of searingly stupid shit to say. Go review more MJA posts so we can continue this.

Unlike you, who has a plethora of stupid shit to say at any given moment, right?

I'm actually busy laughing at you giving credit to RHCP for all the way up to Californication. That's hilarious. I bet you loved Aeroplane. Or maybe their rendition of Love Rollercoaster. I bet those were soothing sounds while you were growing up so hard on them. And I thought I told you to hang yourself.

Zafocaine
01-26-2013, 12:08 PM
Unlike you, who has a plethora of stupid shit to say at any given moment, right?

I'm actually busy laughing at you giving credit to RHCP for all the way up to Californication. That's hilarious. I bet you loved Aeroplane. Or maybe their rendition of Love Rollercoaster. I bet those were soothing sounds while you were growing up so hard on them. And I thought I told you to hang yourself.

Are you under the impression that this is the only band I listened to growing up? How stupid can you make yourself look in five posts? You've really outdone yourself. Aeroplane and Love Rollercoaster were jammy. If you didn't enjoy those songs for the poppy good crap they were, then you're probably just a bitch (as displayed in posts 1-5). There is no end to stupid shit I can pull out of a hat and throw in your face, laced with just enough honesty and reality to make a real dumbshit out of you and most people with incredibly low opinions of themselves like you. Your influence over people with more clarity of mind than you is non-existent. Simple arithmetic, skid.

donomyte
01-26-2013, 12:14 PM
Are you under the impression that this is the only band I listened to growing up? How stupid can you make yourself look in five posts? You've really outdone yourself. Aeroplane and Love Rollercoaster were jammy. If you didn't enjoy those songs for the poppy good crap they were, then you're probably just a bitch (as displayed in posts 1-5). There is no end to stupid shit I can pull out of a hat and throw in your face, laced with just enough honesty and reality to make a real dumbshit out of you and most people with incredibly low opinions of themselves like you. Your influence over people with more clarity of mind than you is non-existent. Simple arithmetic, skid.

Yawn. Just another try-hard. How bout you try hard to blow Magic Johnson...?

DJroomba
01-26-2013, 12:15 PM
Call me a conspiracy theorist but...

That random leaked app notification originally said the Rolling Stones would be playing on the Friday of Coachella. The current bill has two British rock groups headlining Friday (The Stone Roses, and Blur). For an event that is so good about not having their lineup information leak, that seems like such an unlikely gaffe. Furthermore, why would that information even exist if the Rolling Stones had not already signed a contract to perform.

Saturday- Frenchmen Phoenix are the current headliner. Could another French group be added to the bill?... Daft Punk? Daft Punk did come out with Phoenix at an MSG show in 2010.

Sunday- I think Atoms for Peace might show up as Flea is a member of that band anyway.

Thoughts? Am I bat-shit crazy?

Phoenix---->France---->DAFT PUNK!!!!

Wasn't there a south park episode where they tied together barely related things like that?

As cool as that would be, it seems like a major leap. I think it might be batshit. No offense intended however

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
01-26-2013, 12:15 PM
Call me a conspiracy theorist but...

That random leaked app notification originally said the Rolling Stones would be playing on the Friday of Coachella. The current bill has two British rock groups headlining Friday (The Stone Roses, and Blur). For an event that is so good about not having their lineup information leak, that seems like such an unlikely gaffe. Furthermore, why would that information even exist if the Rolling Stones had not already signed a contract to perform.

Saturday- Frenchmen Phoenix are the current headliner. Could another French group be added to the bill?... Daft Punk? Daft Punk did come out with Phoenix at an MSG show in 2010.

Sunday- I think Atoms for Peace might show up as Flea is a member of that band anyway.

Thoughts? Am I bat-shit crazy?

Bat shit crazy sir.

Zafocaine
01-26-2013, 12:19 PM
Phoenix---->France---->DAFT PUNK!!!!

Wasn't there a south park episode where they tied together barely related things like that?

As cool as that would be, it seems like a major leap. I think it might be batshit. No offense intended however

Something like the underpants gnomes?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO5sxLapAts

Zafocaine
01-26-2013, 12:22 PM
Yawn. Just another try-hard. How bout you try hard to blow Magic Johnson...?

I was hoping to squeeze some relevance out of you, resulting in multiple worthless posts from both of us. You've become a straight-to-AIDS tv movie with that last post. Continue with your cum fantasies. I'm sure that's the ticket.

lostatlimbo
01-26-2013, 12:50 PM
While I haven't enjoyed any of their recent music, the lone time I've seen RHCP, they put on a great show. Granted, it was at an unusually small venue for them (too small for anyone on the top 2 lines - and this was just before Californication), but they played very few hits or singles and just rocked out. The whole place was a mosh pit - it was amazing.

I don't expect that now, but crappy radio singles aside, they are still a good band and maybe they'll throw in some older material and get a good nostalgia buzz going for a lot of the 30-ups like me.

$.02

Bob_Loblaw
01-26-2013, 01:07 PM
interesting enough, GV saved millions of dollars and are still going to sell out.

And the pre-sales for 2014 will sell out because the assumptions that it really can't get any worse than this year.

Well played, Tollet.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
01-26-2013, 01:15 PM
interesting enough, GV saved millions of dollars and are still going to sell out.

And the pre-sales for 2014 will sell out because the assumptions that it really can't get any worse than this year.

Well played, Tollet.

That wasn't the plan.

DieCer
01-26-2013, 01:28 PM
Don't really give a shit about the headliners, this lineup is bosssssss. There's gonna be plenty to do all day instead of waiting around the campgrounds for nightfall to see the good shit. Fuck the headliners. There'll be amazing shows going on at the same time as RHCP and Stone Roses/Blur. Will I have to be a Phoenix though just to see if DP miracles happen?????????

Bob_Loblaw
01-26-2013, 01:35 PM
That wasn't the plan.

Regardless, it still works out just fine for them.

stephen22
01-26-2013, 03:09 PM
I love that everyone assumes The Stone Roses and Blur are basically cheap headliners. Yeah, they are not getting Roger Waters and Prince money, but I'm sure it's closer to the 2011 headliners (minus Kanye) than people want to believe.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
01-26-2013, 04:01 PM
Regardless, it still works out just fine for them.

But to say its a cash grabbed on their part is false. or to imply.

themonstermash
01-26-2013, 04:39 PM
Stone Roses, Blur, Phoenix, RHCP...

or

Black Keys, Radiohead, Dr Dre & Snoop Dogg...

Kings of Leon, Arcade Fire, Kanye West, The Strokes...

Jay Z, Muse, the Gorillaz...

Need I say more?

SlowMotionApocalypse
01-26-2013, 04:58 PM
Call me a conspiracy theorist but...

That random leaked app notification originally said the Rolling Stones would be playing on the Friday of Coachella. The current bill has two British rock groups headlining Friday (The Stone Roses, and Blur). For an event that is so good about not having their lineup information leak, that seems like such an unlikely gaffe. Furthermore, why would that information even exist if the Rolling Stones had not already signed a contract to perform.


The app meant nothing unless you believe the Rolling Stones played a movie theatre in Long Island on Dec 27th and took the stage at midnight in Newark

Bob_Loblaw
01-26-2013, 04:59 PM
Stone Roses, Blur, Phoenix, RHCP...

or

Black Keys, Radiohead, Dr Dre & Snoop Dogg...

Kings of Leon, Arcade Fire, Kanye West, The Strokes...

Jay Z, Muse, the Gorillaz...

Need I say more?

Actually, yes. Go on...

Bob_Loblaw
01-26-2013, 05:07 PM
But to say its a cash grabbed on their part is false. or to imply.

I agree, it was wrong to assume they saved millions. But I do feel it's safe to assume they saved a lot of money by comparing this years and last years headliners and subs. And I still don't think it'll have a major effect on presale tickets for 2014, maybe it'll take an hour or two more but it'll still sell out quickly.

Kitsgirl
01-26-2013, 05:13 PM
Regardless, it still works out just fine for them.

It works out fine this year for GV; money is already in the bank. But let's be honest, the secondary market for Coachella tickets will be flooded this year. Overall this hurts their brand. In their 'off' year without headlines, other festivals will clamour for the business of those who would normally go to Coachella. Last year they were essentially able to sell out this years festival 11 months out (I'm very surprised that they didn't limit tickets to allow for some GA & VIP for weekend 1 - outside of the few that remain with a shuttle pass or camping). Yes, there is a gamble in buying tickets for a festival so far in advance, but with Coachella in the past it's been a safe bet. There line-up is usually solid from top to bottom. Not so for this year. It's still an incredibly stacked line-up, but it's seriously lacking in headliners.

I get The Stone Roses & Blur for Friday. That is a unique 'get'. Phoenix? That's a bit of a gamble. I really enjoy them, but they've only had one album. It's the RHCP that really pisses me off. What a JOKE! The Coachella weekend builds to a grand finale. Why didn't they do what Governor's Ball did and black it out until they signed an act worthy of closing out the weekend? Not only have RHCP already played twice, but they're coming off of a two year world tour, where they headlined almost every other festival and they have no new material.

I'm very disappointed in GV's lack of originality. My only hope is that unlike when Gorillaz took the stage in 2010, they'll still be acts playing elsewhere (not just in the Sahara). Either that, or it'll be an early night for me.

One of the reasons Coachella has been so successful is the building of their brand, they've built up the hype around strong artists top to bottom. If there are no changes to the headlining acts, this will definitely have an impact on their bottom line in the years ahead.

themonstermash
01-26-2013, 05:20 PM
It works out fine this year for GV; money is already in the bank. But let's be honest, the secondary market for Coachella tickets will be flooded this year. Overall this hurts their brand. In their 'off' year without headlines, other festivals will clamour for the business of those who would normally go to Coachella. Last year they were essentially able to sell out this years festival 11 months out (I'm very surprised that they didn't limit tickets to allow for some GA & VIP for weekend 1 - outside of the few that remain with a shuttle pass or camping). Yes, there is a gamble in buying tickets for a festival so far in advance, but with Coachella in the past it's been a safe bet. There line-up is usually solid from top to bottom. Not so for this year. It's still an incredibly stacked line-up, but it's seriously lacking in headliners.

I get The Stone Roses & Blur for Friday. That is a unique 'get'. Phoenix? That's a bit of a gamble. I really enjoy them, but they've only had one album. It's the RHCP that really pisses me off. What a JOKE! The Coachella weekend builds to a grand finale. Why didn't they do what Governor's Ball did and black it out until they signed an act worthy of closing out the weekend? Not only have RHCP already played twice, but they're coming off of a two year world tour, where they headlined almost every other festival and they have no new material.

I'm very disappointed in GV's lack of originality. My only hope is that unlike when Gorillaz took the stage in 2010, they'll still be acts playing elsewhere (not just in the Sahara). Either that, or it'll be an early night for me.

One of the reasons Coachella has been so successful is the building of their brand, they've built up the hype around strong artists top to bottom. If there are no changes to the headlining acts, this will definitely have an impact on their bottom line in the years ahead.

Yeah well said.

Do you think there will be any changes to the headliners or that's that, set in concrete.

Also, do you have any idea what other bands will be closing out the festival on each night apart from the headliners. I'd much rather see James Blake close the festival to be honest, or Disclosure with Jessie Ware coming out on stage...

When I saw RHCP discussed as a possible headliner I thought people were simply trolling... Its devastating to see it actually come true.

Bob_Loblaw
01-26-2013, 05:29 PM
It works out fine this year for GV; money is already in the bank. But let's be honest, the secondary market for Coachella tickets will be flooded this year. Overall this hurts their brand. In their 'off' year without headlines, other festivals will clamour for the business of those who would normally go to Coachella. Last year they were essentially able to sell out this years festival 11 months out (I'm very surprised that they didn't limit tickets to allow for some GA & VIP for weekend 1 - outside of the few that remain with a shuttle pass or camping). Yes, there is a gamble in buying tickets for a festival so far in advance, but with Coachella in the past it's been a safe bet. There line-up is usually solid from top to bottom. Not so for this year. It's still an incredibly stacked line-up, but it's seriously lacking in headliners.

I get The Stone Roses & Blur for Friday. That is a unique 'get'. Phoenix? That's a bit of a gamble. I really enjoy them, but they've only had one album. It's the RHCP that really pisses me off. What a JOKE! The Coachella weekend builds to a grand finale. Why didn't they do what Governor's Ball did and black it out until they signed an act worthy of closing out the weekend? Not only have RHCP already played twice, but they're coming off of a two year world tour, where they headlined almost every other festival and they have no new material.

I'm very disappointed in GV's lack of originality. My only hope is that unlike when Gorillaz took the stage in 2010, they'll still be acts playing elsewhere (not just in the Sahara). Either that, or it'll be an early night for me.

One of the reasons Coachella has been so successful is the building of their brand, they've built up the hype around strong artists top to bottom. If there are no changes to the headlining acts, this will definitely have an impact on their bottom line in the years ahead.

Really can't tell if you're being serious.

Kitsgirl
01-26-2013, 05:41 PM
Yeah well said.

Do you think there will be any changes to the headliners or that's that, set in concrete.

Also, do you have any idea what other bands will be closing out the festival on each night apart from the headliners. I'd much rather see James Blake close the festival to be honest, or Disclosure with Jessie Ware coming out on stage...

When I saw RHCP discussed as a possible headliner I thought people were simply trolling... Its devastating to see it actually come true.

I thought RHCP were a joke too!

I dunno about them adding another headliner; they haven't done that since 2008 when ticket sales were stalling. In the saturated market of music festivals that exists now, it would be a smart move for future years. But like many on here have said before, why spend more money on headliners when you've already sold out the show?

Kitsgirl
01-26-2013, 05:45 PM
Really can't tell if you're being serious.

I really like Phoenix! I thoroughly enjoyed their first album, and thought their set on the Outdoor in 2010 was great. But I also liked MGMT's first album, thought their second was bleh and thankfully missed their stinker of a set in 2010. Without hearing Phoenix's second album, don't you think making them a headliner is a bit of a gamble? Keeping in mind they are billed the same as Radiohead was last year.

travelfan
01-26-2013, 05:48 PM
I really like Phoenix! I thoroughly enjoyed their first album, and thought their set on the Outdoor in 2010 was great. But I also liked MGMT's first album, thought their second was bleh and thankfully missed their stinker of a set in 2010. Without hearing Phoenix's second album, don't you think making them a headliner is a bit of a gamble? Keeping in mind they are billed the same as Radiohead was last year.

He's saying that because they've had four albums, not one. This upcoming album will be their fifth. Although to be fair, only one was huge in the States.

I think they are taking a gamble on Phoenix too, but if that album yields a couple singles as big as 1901 and Lisztomania, this will look infinitely better by April than it does now.

Kitsgirl
01-26-2013, 05:59 PM
He's saying that because they've had four albums, not one. This upcoming album will be their fifth. Although to be fair, only one was huge in the States.

I think they are taking a gamble on Phoenix too, but if that album yields a couple singles as big as 1901 and Lisztomania, this will look infinitely better by April than it does now.

Ah, fair enough. I stand corrected.

mrhand
01-26-2013, 06:23 PM
I really like Phoenix! I thoroughly enjoyed their first album, and thought their set on the Outdoor in 2010 was great. But I also liked MGMT's first album, thought their second was bleh and thankfully missed their stinker of a set in 2010. Without hearing Phoenix's second album, don't you think making them a headliner is a bit of a gamble? Keeping in mind they are billed the same as Radiohead was last year.

I thought about the MGMT comparison earlier as well. Even though Phoenix had several prior albums before WAP, they were largely unknown in the US and those albums got virtually no airplay or attention, so a fair number of people actually think WAP was their first. WAP and Oracular Spectacular were similar in that they both broke the band big, had a couple huge singles and a couple other minor ones that got airplay. MGMT played in 2008 on the strength of OS success. Phoenix played in 2010 when WAP was peaking.

What would the reaction have been in 2010 if MGMT had been named a headliner on the strength of OS, a few big singles and the promise of a second unknown album (we all know how that turned out)? Answer: Lots of laughter.

Is there much difference in Phoenix headlining on the strength of one big album with a few singles and the promise of an unknown follow-up to WAP?

And yes, I know the comparison isn't perfect given that Phoenix has a longer history and 3 albums prior to WAP. But they're actually very similar in terms of airplay/sales/critical aclaim/popular draw/exposure in the US if you start the Phoenix timeline at WAP.

KickerConspiracy
01-26-2013, 07:04 PM
Agreed. I think that's an apt comparison. I honestly thought WAP was their first record until recently. I've still never heard any of their prior work. They did have probably the largest crowd I've ever seen at the Outdoor in 2010, dwarfing the Pavement crowd on the main, but probably a lot of that were gatecrashers.

stephen22
01-26-2013, 07:26 PM
So what would actually happen if say.....Bonnaroo had Daft Punk...... :)

chbludevil
01-26-2013, 07:39 PM
So what would actually happen if say.....Bonnaroo had Daft Punk...... :)

GV would be a laughingstock

bemerritt
01-26-2013, 07:41 PM
Ladies and gents, here is the setlist from your sunday night headliner!*

http://open.spotify.com/user/bemerritt/playlist/3hwQ8FxqoVWS8BQlD8Jqg5

*this is based off of their setlist from yesterday
**no, i do not intend on seeing them

chbludevil
01-26-2013, 07:46 PM
Ladies and gents, here is the setlist from your sunday night headliner!*

http://open.spotify.com/user/bemerritt/playlist/3hwQ8FxqoVWS8BQlD8Jqg5

*this is based off of their setlist from yesterday
**no, i do not intend on seeing them

That setlist is just pure drivel.

Phantasma Del Mar
01-26-2013, 08:02 PM
It's all their hits plus stuff from the new album, what the fuck were you expecting.

Phantasma Del Mar
01-26-2013, 08:04 PM
"THEY DIDN'T PLAY ANYTHING FROM ONE HOT MINUTE GODFUCKING DAMMIT"

chbludevil
01-26-2013, 08:05 PM
At least play Breaking the Girl

chbludevil
01-26-2013, 08:09 PM
I feel sorry for anyone who has to even be near a RHCP show this year. Oh wait...

nathanfairchild
01-26-2013, 09:04 PM
I really like Phoenix! I thoroughly enjoyed their first album, and thought their set on the Outdoor in 2010 was great. But I also liked MGMT's first album, thought their second was bleh and thankfully missed their stinker of a set in 2010. Without hearing Phoenix's second album, don't you think making them a headliner is a bit of a gamble? Keeping in mind they are billed the same as Radiohead was last year.

you know that Phoenix are about to release their fifth album, don't you?

Boourns
01-26-2013, 09:15 PM
you know that Phoenix are about to release their fifth album, don't you?

Let's be honest, though. How many people do you think have heard more than the singles off Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix?

Bob_Loblaw
01-26-2013, 10:29 PM
Let's be honest, though. How many people do you think have heard more than the singles off Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix?

I think a lot of people that have heard of Phoenix at least know "Too Young" or "If I Ever Feel Better" off of United. I agree that everything after that up until WAP is pretty much unknown, though.

Kitsgirl
01-26-2013, 11:51 PM
you know that Phoenix are about to release their fifth album, don't you?

Read the last page - I said I stand corrected.

IlliniQ
01-26-2013, 11:55 PM
Who gives a fuck about huge names when you have a lineup with this much diverse talent!?

I've never gone to Coachella specifically for the headliners, and this year will be no different.

But Blur/ Stone Roses is definitely a weird Friday night headliner combo for a U.S. festival.

But the thing no one is talking about is how great some of their songs are. All this complaining about no Daft Punk when truth is I would take The Stone Roses debut over Discoverys disco cheese any day of the week.

Blur Stone Roses could very well be the three hour peak of the entire festival who care how big they are. N

LiquidL
01-27-2013, 12:00 AM
I personally would have preferred someone other than (2007 headliner) RHCP, but I suppose their last 6 albums have all reached the top 4 in the US charts and they have 25 singles that went top 10 on the US Alt chart. But not exactly current & relevant nor quite legends.

Phoenix? 1 album that ever charted in the US (#37) and 3 singles that showed up anywhere here, but at least current & have the hope of their new album.

Blur + Stone Roses though? No albums or singles ever in US top 45. Not current, not legends, almost no US success in their day, not reuniting for the first time in ages or anything. Putting the 2 of them together doesn't solve those problems.

Pretty happy with the rest, but top headliners do seem a bit thin.

So what you are saying is if it doesn't chart you don't care for it? You should save your money for KROQ Weenie Roast.

Kitsgirl
01-27-2013, 12:02 AM
But the thing no one is talking about is how great some of their songs are. All this complaining about no Daft Punk when truth is I would take The Stone Roses debut over Discoverys disco cheese any day of the week.

Blur Stone Roses could very well be the three hour peak of the entire festival who care how big they are. N

I don't think anyone in this thread is complaining about the lack of Daft Punk; there are multiple other threads for that topic. What people in here are complaining about is the lack of headliners. I think that Friday is probably the strongest day, headliner wise. It's Phoenix and RHCP that are in question.

themonstermash
01-27-2013, 06:14 AM
They could've given us anyone, anyone at all except RHCP. I'll go out on a limb and say the Black Keys again with their new album soon would've been more welcomed. The Flaming Lips, Atoms for Peace, Watch the Throne, Eminem, Prince.......anybody.

Adding two bands on the one line doesn't make Friday okay either, its a joke how people can sit back and say these headliners are great. Take a look at the crowd for these two acts, you will almost be able to count them. Guess the advantage of this is to avoid the main stage and see someone smaller and better close elsewhere.

As far as Phoenix goes, it would've been acceptable one night with two other larger sized headliners, (last year's Snoop & Dre and Radiohead) but this is clearly not the case.

Where the hell is the bigger EDM acts by the way... No Deadmau5, Prodigy, Aphex Twin, Kraftwerk, Chems, Boys Noize? No we get DOG BLOOD instead.

Of course there's the exception of plenty of exciting acts, with an array of gems on this lineup. But its safe to say that for the bulk of it Goldenvoice pretty much got drunk as fuck, closed one eye, and pointed at names on a wall from a shitty list.

Zafocaine
01-27-2013, 07:11 AM
I don't think anyone in this thread is complaining about the lack of Daft Punk; there are multiple other threads for that topic. What people in here are complaining about is the lack of headliners. I think that Friday is probably the strongest day, headliner wise. It's Phoenix and RHCP that are in question.

Are you joke? ARE YOU JOKE? Stone Roses.... aka the Nirvana of the UK? The fuck? Does that mean the lead man got a shotgun put in his mouth to death? Or does it mean they're trying to compare to a band that doesn't exist, as a band who shouldn't exist? How can you say RHCP aren't headliners? How can a band return from being a headliner to subbing? At least Phoenix have been selling their share of albums in the United States for the past decade or so. When's the last time you saw a Stone Roses or Blur record outside of a specialty record shop? Shit doesn't happen. If you go on youtube, you'll see people from the UK saying how lucky and unappreciative we are to be getting the combo. I agree. We're lucky, for brits, but we're fucked as Americans. Maybe the Blur Roses would have been a very welcomed "headlining" act in the UK, but this festival is NOT in the UK, and it wasn't especially marketed for the UK. While I hope that they both put on great shows, I also hope that GV takes a hit this year. It's about time they remember what it's like to have to worry about their future as a major festival. Rarity doesn't matter when there's no demand in your current market. Economics, brah.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
01-27-2013, 08:03 AM
They could've given us anyone, anyone at all except RHCP. I'll go out on a limb and say the Black Keys again with their new album soon would've been more welcomed. The Flaming Lips, Atoms for Peace, Watch the Throne, Eminem, Prince.......anybody.

Adding two bands on the one line doesn't make Friday okay either, its a joke how people can sit back and say these headliners are great. Take a look at the crowd for these two acts, you will almost be able to count them. Guess the advantage of this is to avoid the main stage and see someone smaller and better close elsewhere.

As far as Phoenix goes, it would've been acceptable one night with two other larger sized headliners, (last year's Snoop & Dre and Radiohead) but this is clearly not the case.

Where the hell is the bigger EDM acts by the way... No Deadmau5, Prodigy, Aphex Twin, Kraftwerk, Chems, Boys Noize? No we get DOG BLOOD instead.

Of course there's the exception of plenty of exciting acts, with an array of gems on this lineup. But its safe to say that for the bulk of it Goldenvoice pretty much got drunk as fuck, closed one eye, and pointed at names on a wall from a shitty list.

You make it sound like booking a festival like this is easy.

DropletsOfYes&No
01-27-2013, 08:07 AM
Are you joke? ARE YOU JOKE? Stone Roses.... aka the Nirvana of the UK? The fuck? Does that mean the lead man got a shotgun put in his mouth to death? Or does it mean they're trying to compare to a band that doesn't exist, as a band who shouldn't exist? How can you say RHCP aren't headliners? How can a band return from being a headliner to subbing? At least Phoenix have been selling their share of albums in the United States for the past decade or so. When's the last time you saw a Stone Roses or Blur record outside of a specialty record shop? Shit doesn't happen. If you go on youtube, you'll see people from the UK saying how lucky and unappreciative we are to be getting the combo. I agree. We're lucky, for brits, but we're fucked as Americans. Maybe the Blur Roses would have been a very welcomed "headlining" act in the UK, but this festival is NOT in the UK, and it wasn't especially marketed for the UK. While I hope that they both put on great shows, I also hope that GV takes a hit this year. It's about time they remember what it's like to have to worry about their future as a major festival. Rarity doesn't matter when there's no demand in your current market. Economics, brah.

What exactly are you trying to point out with this hideous run on sentence? First of all Bro!!! The Stone Roses are phenomenal as are Blur and though they may not be the kind of headliner you wanted to see since so many people have been asking for them for years maybe Goldenvoice took that into consideration. Last time I saw Blur here in the States they were playing small arenas not clubs. There was a time in the 90's had Stone Roses not imploded that they could have been really big. There is a word for people in the States that love U.K. bands. Here is your history lesson - We are called Anglophiles. The reason bands like this are welcome at Coachella is because we rarely get to see them and because they are British, or Scotish, or what have you they dont need to tour the states and play small clubs when they can tour arenas in their homeland. I am happy to see foriegn bands such as Blur, Stone Roses, Nick Cave/Grinderman, Sigur Ros, New Order, Bat for Lashes, Dead Can Dance, Johnny Marr, Franz Ferdinand all of which sometimes tour or are reclusive in touring the States. I get a chance of seeing them without forking out $50-$100. Im going to see Nick Cave here in Dallas and it cost $90 a ticket. For me and a lot of people it is about the quality of the undercard. I get to see Metric one of my favorite bands who rarely make it down to Texas from Canada once every touring cycle. I hate Phoenix and when I saw them they were on a small stage at a radio show but lots of people want to see them and someone felt they were headliner worthy. I feel a lot of the people on this board wouldnt be happy if Thom Yorke was blowing Bowie to a backdrop of a Daft Punk Dj Set while Jesus came back and the Morrissey and Marr had a barbecue before the Smiths played. People would still bitch, and moan, and complain. I am not happy with RHCP and Phoenix headlining but you know what at the end of the day this is one of the best Coachella line ups ever if you check the undercard and you are true fan of music then you will be busy well into the night. If not then you need to give up being a fan of good music and listen to Kroq or go to Bonnaroo, Lollapalooza, Sasquatch, or ACL those are great American Festivals who focus on American Bands mostly. Coachella is a world reknowned festival institution and it has garnered a reputation for reuniting and having rare appearances by U.K. bands which others wouldn't even dare have on their roster. Need proof- The Selecter one of the greatest ska bands ever is on the bill and they have a female singer. That is adventerous and that is a real concert promoter. Have a Good Day.

heart cooks brain
01-27-2013, 08:19 AM
you know that Phoenix are about to release their fifth album, don't you?

don't waste your metaphorical breath.

Zafocaine
01-27-2013, 08:20 AM
What exactly are you trying to point out with this hideous run on sentence? First of all Bro!!! The Stone Roses are phenomenal as are Blur and though they may not be the kind of headliner you wanted to see since so many people have been asking for them for years maybe Goldenvoice took that into consideration. Last time I saw Blur here in the States they were playing small arenas not clubs. There was a time in the 90's had Stone Roses not imploded that they could have been really big. There is a word for people in the States that love U.K. bands. Here is your history lesson - We are called Anglophiles. The reason bands like this are welcome at Coachella is because we rarely get to see them and because they are British, or Scotish, or what have you they dont need to tour the states and play small clubs when they can tour arenas in their homeland. I am happy to see foriegn bands such as Blur, Stone Roses, Nick Cave/Grinderman, Sigur Ros, New Order, Bat for Lashes, Dead Can Dance, Johnny Marr, Franz Ferdinand all of which sometimes tour or are reclusive in touring the States. I get a chance of seeing them without forking out $50-$100. Im going to see Nick Cave here in Dallas and it cost $90 a ticket. For me and a lot of people it is about the quality of the undercard. I get to see Metric one of my favorite bands who rarely make it down to Texas from Canada once every touring cycle. I hate Phoenix and when I saw them they were on a small stage at a radio show but lots of people want to see them and someone felt they were headliner worthy. I feel a lot of the people on this board wouldnt be happy if Thom Yorke was blowing Bowie to a backdrop of a Daft Punk Dj Set while Jesus came back and the Morrissey and Marr had a barbecue before the Smiths played. People would still bitch, and moan, and complain. I am not happy with RHCP and Phoenix headlining but you know what at the end of the day this is one of the best Coachella line ups ever if you check the undercard and you are true fan of music then you will be busy well into the night. If not then you need to give up being a fan of good music and listen to Kroq or go to Bonnaroo, Lollapalooza, Sasquatch, or ACL those are great American Festivals who focus on American Bands mostly. Coachella is a world reknowned festival institution and it has garnered a reputation for reuniting and having rare appearances by U.K. bands which others wouldn't even dare have on their roster. Need proof- The Selecter one of the greatest ska bands ever is on the bill and they have a female singer. That is adventerous and that is a real concert promoter. Have a Good Day.

Oh, you anglophiles. I have a feeling that a lot of people would find Thom Yorke giving Bowie fellatio on stage to be offensive. If that's what you think a perfect festival would be, then maybe Coachella isn't for you. I think we can agree that it's been a long time since Coachella has had this poor a headliner selection, if ever. Too many hours of Dr. Who have warped your mind. Is this your way of telling us that you have a fiance in the UK who you've never met, but insist upon being real because you've totally skyped her a couple times? The undercard looked pretty cool to begin with, and is only getting better with further investigation. Blur and Stone Roses, if you're familiar with their music, and aren't really a fan (like the majority of people posting in this thread), are disappointing as headliners, though they would have made great subs. Can we agree, or am I going to have to employ stfustooge tactics?

themonstermash
01-27-2013, 08:33 AM
Oh, you anglophiles. I have a feeling that a lot of people would find Thom Yorke giving Bowie fellatio on stage to be offensive. If that's what you think a perfect festival would be, then maybe Coachella isn't for you. I think we can agree that it's been a long time since Coachella has had this poor a headliner selection, if ever. Too many hours of Dr. Who have warped your mind. Is this your way of telling us that you have a fiance in the UK who you've never met, but insist upon being real because you've totally skyped her a couple times? The undercard looked pretty cool to begin with, and is only getting better with further investigation. Blur and Stone Roses, if you're familiar with their music, and aren't really a fan (like the majority of people posting in this thread), are disappointing as headliners, though they would have made great subs. Can we agree, or am I going to have to employ stfustooge tactics?

Totally agree. Blur, Stone Roses, Phoenix and RHCP are all lazy ass bookings. 2013 Coachella is about the undercard, headliners are absent.

If anyone disagrees with this, they're truly in denial. Look back on the last 6 Posters, you will not find a lineup in terms of headliners as dissapointing as this.

For a festival as big as Coachella you would expect to see Fridays headliners on second line, Phoenix on the second line and RHCP...well they are just laughable. Something had to have gone wrong there...its just so hard to understand Goldenvoice spent time & money actually chasing them in the belief that they'd be awesome.....hahahahahahaha. I just find it hilarious.

DropletsOfYes&No
01-27-2013, 08:40 AM
Oh, you anglophiles. I have a feeling that a lot of people would find Thom Yorke giving Bowie fellatio on stage to be offensive. If that's what you think a perfect festival would be, then maybe Coachella isn't for you. I think we can agree that it's been a long time since Coachella has had this poor a headliner selection, if ever. Too many hours of Dr. Who have warped your mind. Is this your way of telling us that you have a fiance in the UK who you've never met, but insist upon being real because you've totally skyped her a couple times? The undercard looked pretty cool to begin with, and is only getting better with further investigation. Blur and Stone Roses, if you're familiar with their music, and aren't really a fan (like the majority of people posting in this thread), are disappointing as headliners, though they would have made great subs. Can we agree, or am I going to have to employ stfustooge tactics?


First of all Captain America. Your tactic to silence me wouldnt work in a million years. If you were so American then you would be all for free speech. I would never agree with you about Blur and the Stone Roses because to me they are great bands and can be to even the casual listener. Disappointing to hipster headliner snobs like you maybe but I bet about 60% of the people on this board are cool with them headlining. I have seen more people complaining about Phoenix and RHCP than Blur/Stone Roses. What do you want another Jack Johnson, Killers, or Kings of Leon headline? Those were American bands and they were choices that made me go to the hotel earlier. None were exclusive, None have anything spectacular to offer and took away from a good American or British Band Headlining. I bet you didnt say anything about Radiohead headlining last year and as much as I am a fan of theirs they were already on tour in the U.S. it was not exclusive and it was sort of monotomous to fans who had seen them already that year. Im not going to sit and argue the points and merits of American over U.K. Coachella and Glastonbury are Apples and Oranges and so are opinions, agree to disagree or get over it.

gary312
01-27-2013, 08:49 AM
Totally agree. Blur, Stone Roses, Phoenix and RHCP are all lazy ass bookings. 2013 Coachella is about the undercard, headliners are absent.

If anyone disagrees with this, they're truly in denial. Look back on the last 6 Posters, you will not find a lineup in terms of headliners as dissapointing as this.

For a festival as big as Coachella you would expect to see Fridays headliners on second line, Phoenix on the second line and RHCP...well they are just laughable. Something had to have gone wrong there...its just so hard to understand Goldenvoice spent time & money actually chasing them in the belief that they'd be awesome.....hahahahahahaha. I just find it hilarious.I'm British so for me the top line Friday is very good, the top line sat not so much and the top Sunday will do just fine compared to what i might've got. But I'm someone who doesn't like radiohead, Jack Johnson, tool, kanye west or arcade fire to name a few

Zafocaine
01-27-2013, 08:54 AM
First of all Captain America. Your tactic to silence me wouldnt work in a million years. If you were so American then you would be all for free speech. I would never agree with you about Blur and the Stone Roses because to me they are great bands and can be to even the casual listener. Disappointing to hipster headliner snobs like you maybe but I bet about 60% of the people on this board are cool with them headlining. I have seen more people complaining about Phoenix and RHCP than Blur/Stone Roses. What do you want another Jack Johnson, Killers, or Kings of Leon headline? Those were American bands and they were choices that made me go to the hotel earlier. None were exclusive, None have anything spectacular to offer and took away from a good American or British Band Headlining. I bet you didnt say anything about Radiohead headlining last year and as much as I am a fan of theirs they were already on tour in the U.S. it was not exclusive and it was sort of monotomous to fans who had seen them already that year. Im not going to sit and argue the points and merits of American over U.K. Coachella and Glastonbury are Apples and Oranges and so are opinions, agree to disagree or get over it.

If you love it so much, go live there. Isn't that the point? You would have been bitching for years if it had been RHCP/ Outkast/ Jack White. You finally got your Beatle boot in the door, and you're making your stand. I can dig that. I can agree that there have been plenty of lacking headliners in the past, just not every night of the weekend. Killers/ KOL/ Muse were all bands I could afford to miss. Kanye West was also a pretty disappointing headliner, though I was pretty excited to see him. It has little to do with where the band comes from, and everything to do with how worthy they are to headline. If they were worthy headliners, they would each have their own day to headline. Your inability to agree seems to be your ultimate downfall. You don't have to like someone to agree that they have a point. People in the UK, and the Balding American Anglophile (BAA), can and should have The Stone Blurillaz. No one is saying they don't have a place at the show. I'm saying that they, much like Phoenix/ RHCP/ KOL/ The Killers/ The Black Keys are taking up headliner space for more worthy acts. RHCP being billed, you have to accept them as a headliner. If they are at Coachella, they will headline. Phoenix/ Blur/ Stone Roses are arguably, yet decidedly, weak. OH NOEZ! ITZ A HIPSTERZ! Take a number, and give it a rest. A technical cease fire until someone else chimes in.

DropletsOfYes&No
01-27-2013, 09:02 AM
If you love it so much, go live there. Isn't that the point? You would have been bitching for years if it had been RHCP/ Outkast/ Jack White. You finally got your Beatle boot in the door, and you're making your stand. I can dig that. I can agree that there have been plenty of lacking headliners in the past, just not every night of the weekend. Killers/ KOL/ Muse were all bands I could afford to miss. Kanye West was also a pretty disappointing headliner, though I was pretty excited to see him. It has little to do with where the band comes from, and everything to do with how worthy they are to headline. If they were worthy headliners, they would each have their own day to headline. Your inability to agree seems to be your ultimate downfall. You don't have to like someone to agree that they have a point. People in the UK, and the Balding American Anglophile (BAA), can and should have The Stone Blurillaz. No one is saying they don't have a place at the show. I'm saying that they, much like Phoenix/ RHCP/ KOL/ The Killers/ The Black Keys are taking up headliner space for more worthy acts. RHCP being billed, you have to accept them as a headliner. If they are at Coachella, they will headline. Phoenix/ Blur/ Stone Roses are arguably, yet decidedly, weak. OH NOEZ! ITZ A HIPSTERZ! Take a number, and give it a rest. A technical cease fire until someone else chimes in.

Zafocaine I love all the hits to my character. I am actually a mid 30s African American male who gets judged before I even open my mouth and the music is one way that I prove people wrong. I love all the ways you put me down like the pretend girlfriend, the Dr Who, and all the things about British people that are just dumb stereotypes. I came on here to discuss music and make fun of and allude to that but you cant even stay on point you spend time throwing shots at me. Its laughable and shows your immaturity. Thats why you got called a Hipster because that is what you are acting like.

Zafocaine
01-27-2013, 09:05 AM
Zafocaine I love all the hits to my character. I am actually a mid 30s African American male who gets judged before I even open my mouth and the music is one way that I prove people wrong. I love all the ways you put me down like the pretend girlfriend, the Dr Who, and all the things about British people that are just dumb stereotypes. I came on here to discuss music and make fun of and allude to that but you cant even stay on point you spend time throwing shots at me. Its laughable and shows your immaturity. Thats why you got called a Hipster because that is what you are acting like.

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DropletsOfYes&No
01-27-2013, 09:08 AM
Zafocaine. I would save the princess in record time and be right up front for Blur and Stone Roses while you spend the day in the beer gardens bitching the reasons they shoudn't be there.

Zafocaine
01-27-2013, 09:19 AM
Zafocaine. I would save the princess in record time and be right up front for Blur and Stone Roses while you spend the day in the beer gardens bitching the reasons they shoudn't be there.

Haha something like that. I'm that guy who cuts through the crowd to that shining opening with no line, scooping up two brews, and filing out the other side in record time. I'll probably end up seeing at least Blur, unless Jurassic 5, Lou Reed, Modest Mouse, and Yeah Yeah Yeahs have anything to say about it (which they most certainly will). I'm actually pretty excited for Friday. It's enjoyable to shoot the shit about what you believe, regardless of where you'll be when it happens. That's how I see it, anyway.

canexplain
01-27-2013, 09:21 AM
Just a side note. I heard about a contest for Lolla where you get to go backstage and meet the Black Keys and the Killers. Just saying.... I have seen both a zillion times, I am excited to the Blur and SR....cr****

DropletsOfYes&No
01-27-2013, 09:25 AM
Why would anyone complain about Friday you have Grinderman which said they were done(Nick Cave), Jurassic 5 one of the great Hip Hop ensembles of the 00's reforming. Lou Reed, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Modest Mouse examples of great American Music and then you have the brits its all good. You know what Zafocaine you need to find me during Violent Femmes and Ill buy you a beer as we sing "American Music"

Zafocaine
01-27-2013, 09:59 AM
As long as the Femmes aren't up against The Descendents or Franz Ferdinand. No complaints regarding the lineup as a whole.

canexplain
01-27-2013, 10:03 AM
As long as the Femmes aren't up against The Descendents or Franz Ferdinand. No complaints regarding the lineup as a whole.

considering my music past, most would think the Femmes are a given. FF puts on a killer (LV style) show. Not to be missed.....cr****

Zafocaine
01-27-2013, 10:10 AM
I saw the Violent Femmes at a free show in Del Mar. I'm not going to miss Franz Ferdinand, so it's in the best interest of the VFs to not conflict with them. Two weekends to make it all happen though!

MotorAve
01-27-2013, 12:22 PM
The year without headliners has at least 3 arena artists on Friday (Trent, Passion Pit, Bassnectar, Skrillex) and Saturday (Phoenix, Sigur Ros, Maynard, Ben Gibbard), and a multi-night arena act on Sunday.

xuclarockerx
01-27-2013, 01:31 PM
Passion Pit, "arena"? LOL

stephen22
01-27-2013, 01:47 PM
Last time Passion Pit were in Portland they played the same venue Flying Lotus played the day before. Maybe they are bigger now. I dunno.

Bob_Loblaw
01-27-2013, 01:56 PM
I wouldn't call em "arena" artists, but they are playing MSG. Which I find to be very odd.

AeroplaneJunkie
01-27-2013, 01:58 PM
the real question is, which stage will have more people on late friday night? Main or Outdoor? Outdoor could possibly have j5 -> lou reed -> modest mouse

mrhand
01-27-2013, 02:07 PM
The year without headliners has at least 3 arena artists on Friday (Trent, Passion Pit, Bassnectar, Skrillex) and Saturday (Phoenix, Sigur Ros, Maynard, Ben Gibbard), and a multi-night arena act on Sunday.

Begging to be mocked.

HTDA - don't play arenas. (This is not NIN)
Passion Pit - arenas are the exception, not the rule
Bassnectar - see Passion Pit
Dog Blood - don't play arenas (Not Skrillex)
Phoenix - see Bassnectar
Sigur Ros - see Phoenix
Puscifer - plays clubs and theaters (Not Tool)
Postal Service - don't play arenas (nothing Gibbard is involved in plays arenas consistently anyway)

Do you even bother looking at tour dates? Or are you just stupid enough to take 2-3 arena dates in the biggest markets and 20-30 amphitheater dates on a tour and label it an "arena level" act? For future reference, playing MSG doesn't make you an arena-level act. Playing MSG plus 30 other arenas on the same tour, does.

There's exactly ONE band on the entire poster that consistently plays arenas: RHCP. End of story.

Bumblebee
01-30-2013, 05:48 AM
If you go on youtube, you'll see people from the UK saying how lucky and unappreciative we are to be getting the combo. I agree. We're lucky, for brits, but we're fucked as Americans. Maybe the Blur Roses would have been a very welcomed "headlining" act in the UK, but this festival is NOT in the UK, and it wasn't especially marketed for the UK. While I hope that they both put on great shows, I also hope that GV takes a hit this year. It's about time they remember what it's like to have to worry about their future as a major festival. Rarity doesn't matter when there's no demand in your current market. Economics, brah.

Have you spent time listening to Stone Roses in the past week? Blur have a strong catalogue, but I can easily see it as being "too british" for US listeners.


Totally agree. Blur, Stone Roses, Phoenix and RHCP are all lazy ass bookings.

Blur/Roses is a ballsiest and best 1-2 combination of any worldwide festival in the past 4 years.


You would have been bitching for years if it had been RHCP/ Outkast/ Jack White.

Fans would have ridiculed GV for booking an OSL sub headliner as a Coachella headliner.

igotmyxomatosis
01-30-2013, 08:20 AM
Blur/Roses is a ballsiest and best 1-2 combination of any worldwide festival in the past 4 years.

Oh please, Primavera had Blur on their lineup before Coachella and the Roses are complete wild cards that may put up a stinker for all we know, and not to mention they will have one of the saddest crowds at a Coachella headliner ever unless Paul shuts everything down just to direct people over to the Main.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
01-30-2013, 08:26 AM
Oh please, Primavera had Blur on their lineup before Coachella and the Roses are complete wild cards that may put up a stinker for all we know, and not to mention they will have one of the saddest crowds at a Coachella headliner ever unless Paul shuts everything down just to direct people over to the Main.

all this complaining and yet the festival still sold out.

Ardentbiscuit
01-30-2013, 08:27 AM
Here is the headliner ranking scale and meeting.

If you rate them in this order

1. Friday
2. Saturday
3. Sunday

That means you are a music lover.

If you do it this way.

1. Saturday
2. Friday
3. Sunday

Then you are a music enthusiast but not a fanatic.

If you rate them this way.

1. Sunday
2. Saturday or Friday
3. Saturday or Friday

Then you are music hobbyist.

If you say there are no headliners to rate then you are part of the new wave of music people called the LCD Sheep.

That's about all I have to say about that.

Boourns
01-30-2013, 08:30 AM
If you do it this way.

1. Sunday
2. Saturday
3. Sunday

Then you are a music enthusiast but not a fanatic.

Wat

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
01-30-2013, 08:37 AM
for the record, I said this back in November.

http://www.coachella.com/forum/showthread.php?58808-2013-Lineup-Confirmation-Rumors-Thread&p=2586862&viewfull=1#post2586862

It does not matter who we "think" can headline. Does not matter. It doesn't matter if Goldenvoice decides they want Animal Collective to headline or Grizzly Bear or Wilco or R. Kelly or Rihanna or :insert your favorite band, artist or singer here: Doesn't matter. It mattered before when they needed to shift a large amount of tickets but Coachella has shifted, now people go for the "experience" and the music is merely icing on a cake now. Goldenvoice can make whoever they want as a headliner without having to worry about sales. The festival sold out without a line up and will continue to do so going forward. Until the time comes where the festival becomes irrelevant and sales falter then this discussion can be brought up again.

/Discussion

Ardentbiscuit
01-30-2013, 08:49 AM
Wat

Okay, Fixed it!! I screwed up, that's what I get for trying to work and post.

Bumblebee
01-30-2013, 09:22 AM
Oh please, Primavera had Blur on their lineup before Coachella and the Roses are complete wild cards that may put up a stinker for all we know, and not to mention they will have one of the saddest crowds at a Coachella headliner ever unless Paul shuts everything down just to direct people over to the Main.

I said the COMBINATION of Blur/Roses, which will be a worldwide exclusive that will be talked about for years to come.

I haven't heard any reports of bad gigs on the Roses reunion tour. Maybe the 2nd(?) gig that skipped the encore but few complained.

SepaGroove
01-30-2013, 09:30 AM
Hey guys,

What it all really comes down to is that WE are the headliners.

PLUR

Phantasma Del Mar
01-30-2013, 09:31 AM
The fact of the matter is that the festival still sold out in less than a day, which means Blur/Stone Roses/Phoenix headlining means fuck all. We're going to see bands booked as headliners over the next few years who deserve the title more so due to critical acclaim rather than sales and mainstream popularity.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
01-30-2013, 10:21 AM
The fact of the matter is that the festival still sold out in less than a day, which means Blur/Stone Roses/Phoenix headlining means fuck all. We're going to see bands booked as headliners over the next few years who deserve the title more so due to critical acclaim rather than sales and mainstream popularity.

And I love this festival that much more for it.

mrhand
01-30-2013, 10:48 AM
The fact of the matter is that the festival still sold out in less than a day, which means Blur/Stone Roses/Phoenix headlining means fuck all. We're going to see bands booked as headliners over the next few years who deserve the title more so due to critical acclaim rather than sales and mainstream popularity.

Quoting for lolz next year. And the year after. And so on.

If you think this year is the rule rather than the exception, you're high.

I am curious though, so feel free to throw some examples out there of bands you think are more likely to headline due to their "critical acclaim" and this apparent cataclysmic shift in GV headliner booking philosophy, that otherwise would not have headlined.

ods..
01-30-2013, 10:52 AM
And I love this festival that much more for it.

:pulse:pulse

mikebspeedracer
01-30-2013, 10:54 AM
Quoting for lolz next year. And the year after. And so on.

If you think this year is the rule rather than the exception, you're high.

I am curious though, so feel free to throw some examples out there of bands you think are more likely to headline due to their "critical acclaim" and this apparent cataclysmic shift in GV headliner booking philosophy, that otherwise would not have headlined.

probably less expensive acts that put on a great show and may or may not of played coachella before.

ods..
01-30-2013, 10:55 AM
Like Bon Iver, off the top of my head. Seeing them sub for Radiohead was impressive as fuck. I could see GV bumping them after another album.

mrhand
01-30-2013, 10:56 AM
probably less expensive acts that put on a great show and may or may not of played coachella before.

Ooooooh, I love that band called "Less expensive acts that put on a great show and may or may not of played coachella before." They gots some fat jams! Great example!

mikebspeedracer
01-30-2013, 11:07 AM
Ooooooh, I love that band called "Less expensive acts that put on a great show and may or may not of played coachella before." They gots some fat jams! Great example!

only time will tell

mrhand
01-30-2013, 11:07 AM
Like Bon Iver, off the top of my head. Seeing them sub for Radiohead was impressive as fuck. I could see GV bumping them after another album.

There's an example. After subbing last year I'd say they're a headline candidate in a couple years regardless given their trajectory in the last few years, but probably on the border line and would need a bump a la Phoenix.

I don't personally think this year represents a new headliner booking strategy on the part of GV. Just a year in which they got turned down by numerous bigger acts and got stuck with several 2nd tier risks, and a lazy, popular retread. I doubt they're content and happy with what they got in comparison to what they expected/wanted.

igotmyxomatosis
01-30-2013, 11:43 AM
I said the COMBINATION of Blur/Roses, which will be a worldwide exclusive that will be talked about for years to come.

I haven't heard any reports of bad gigs on the Roses reunion tour. Maybe the 2nd(?) gig that skipped the encore but few complained.

I fucking love the Stone Roses but a lot of people on this forum were talking about how so-so they are live. I haven't had the chance to see them live, but I guess we'll find out in April.

JustSteve
01-30-2013, 11:50 AM
Neither have a majority of people saying they are so so live.

Zafocaine
01-30-2013, 11:53 AM
Who said Coachella sold out? Go google search Coachella tickets. If moving mass amounts to second-hand distributors upon public release equates a sell-out, then sure. It's becoming clear to me that Coachella has never sold out, or filled to maximum capacity. It's all hype. Are you going to pay a markup because your ticket got sold to stubhub, or are you going to say fuck this careless capitalist festival??? I got my tickets, so I don't care what you do. Just curious ;D

gswhooper
01-30-2013, 12:48 PM
Who said Coachella sold out? Go google search Coachella tickets. If moving mass amounts to second-hand distributors upon public release equates a sell-out, then sure. It's becoming clear to me that Coachella has never sold out
So in your words, no event has ever sold out.

Zafocaine
01-30-2013, 01:00 PM
So in your words, no event has ever sold out.

Maximum Capacity is a true sell out. At that point, all the scalpers either sold their tickets for face, or went to the show. This has never happened at Coachella, to my knowledge. You can always go to Ralphs and find someone buying/ selling wristbands, if you're desperate to sell one for cheap, or get one for way over what it's worth. I think this year will be the hardest on scalpers, which will directly reflect on future ticket sales, barring truly great headliners next year. "Sold out" is used to keep people thinking they're really important. While I personally favor this festival over all others due to its lineups, and its location, it does seem like they're sort of falling behind. I had no problem with how long it took them to release the lineup. If they could have secured some better headliners, I would have been happy waiting two more months for it. There will be tickets available Thursday before the show, Friday before the show, Saturday before the show, Sunday before the show, and Monday if you want a souvenir. In what way is the festival sold out?

PulpOne
01-30-2013, 01:08 PM
Maximum Capacity is a true sell out. At that point, all the scalpers either sold their tickets for face, or went to the show. This has never happened at Coachella, to my knowledge. You can always go to Ralphs and find someone buying/ selling wristbands, if you're desperate to sell one for cheap, or get one for way over what it's worth. I think this year will be the hardest on scalpers, which will directly reflect on future ticket sales, barring truly great headliners next year. "Sold out" is used to keep people thinking they're really important. While I personally favor this festival over all others due to its lineups, and its location, it does seem like they're sort of falling behind. I had no problem with how long it took them to release the lineup. If they could have secured some better headliners, I would have been happy waiting two more months for it. There will be tickets available Thursday before the show, Friday before the show, Saturday before the show, Sunday before the show, and Monday if you want a souvenir. In what way is the festival sold out?

Yes, it still sold out.

Zafocaine
01-30-2013, 01:27 PM
Yes, it still sold out.

Moving units doesn't equate to a sell out. Let me say it like this.... Frontgate sold out their Coachella ticket stock. That much may be true, but if all of the tickets do not go into the hands of attendees, then it was technically NOT a sell out. If it's to be considered a sell out when it's far below capacity, then it's hype. Is this starting to make sense to you? If you're hyping your show too much, you'll lose money when people decide not to buy into the hype based on the actual lineup. In this case, it can result in a loss of money when stubhub and ticket master both buy smaller amounts of tickets next year based on poor sales this year, letting the ACTUAL DEMAND control the sales. The festival will be completely tarnished when it's revealed that the ACTUAL DEMAND does not sell out within hours, or days, but in weeks, or not at all. It shouldn't be too hard to figure out where the festival goes from there.

Phantasma Del Mar
01-30-2013, 01:52 PM
Quoting for lolz next year. And the year after. And so on.

If you think this year is the rule rather than the exception, you're high.

I am curious though, so feel free to throw some examples out there of bands you think are more likely to headline due to their "critical acclaim" and this apparent cataclysmic shift in GV headliner booking philosophy, that otherwise would not have headlined.

I'm not saying every headliner every year is going to be something non traditional, but I'd imagine there's a possibility of it happening at least one day out of the weekend from now on. As far as examples, off the top of my head I would say Queens Of The Stoneage given Josh Homme's involvement with the festival. I didn't think Bjork would ever headline again but now I can see it happening. Neil Young. Animal Collective after another album or two.

RotationSlimWang
01-30-2013, 02:15 PM
Quoting for lolz next year. And the year after. And so on.

If you think this year is the rule rather than the exception, you're high.

I am curious though, so feel free to throw some examples out there of bands you think are more likely to headline due to their "critical acclaim" and this apparent cataclysmic shift in GV headliner booking philosophy, that otherwise would not have headlined.

Generally I find this conversation really tiresome but I'm gonna hop in here for a sec:

This year is proof that Coachella has gone from being just another US music festival to being the first US music festival to attain event status that sells based on the experience rather than being dependent on a populist lineup. Burning Man hit this point last year too, Glasto has been there for years with only 2009 (global recession year) as an exception.

Bitch about the headliners all you want, I ain't gonna argue with you. They're not my cup of tea at all. This might be the first year I doubt I'll see more than 20 minutes of any headlining set (I'm gonna check out The Stone Roses and Blur as a promise to Dani and some other friends who have incredibly fond memories of how these bands shaped 90s rock, but I doubt they're going to blow me away). But if you're seriously going to sit there and claim that this year's ticket sales--both the presale and the onsale after this much-maligned lineup dropped--aren't evidence that Coachella has gone to the next level... well, you're trying to force an opinion you feel strongly about against overwhelming evidence against you.

Coachella is larger than any other US festival now between the two weekends. It has gone from a campsite of 10,000 to 55,000 or more. People are going to see bands, sure, but honestly at this point the music is coming second to the experience. It's a vacation. It's a special little world that gets created for a brief moment out of the year. When the presale happens this year in June again, you will see the same thing that happened in 2012. Barring economic problems, it is going to be several years before they have any trouble selling all the tickets again.

Giannid6
01-30-2013, 03:14 PM
I am glad someone else compared this to Sasquatch. Because this years lineup could be slapped on a Sasquatch poster and no one would be the wiser.

Note: this is not a bad thing

tbh

Giannid6
01-30-2013, 03:26 PM
Modest Mouse is clearly the headliner for Friday. I don't think I've ever been so excited to ditch the "headliner" for the real deal. Britchella just isn't working for me. I'll listen to a couple more Blur records in their entirety, but I will still very likely not be there to see the live. I'm not much of a Radiohead fan, but even I had to stand there and watch them. Stone Roses/ Blur? Fuck that. I'm glad you guys who like them are happy and getting excited for their sets, but I would suck Coachella's tits off for a real headliner on Friday of Weekend 2. Now, does anyone else wonder how YYYs got such high standing for this? They basically blew last time they were at Coachella, and haven't released anything of note since. Is this how it works? As long as you technically exist four years later, you will be bumped up? Beyonce and JT should have headlined Friday/ Saturday. Someone had to take it there. WHY, GV? WHYYYYYYYY?!?!?! Ah, fuck it. I'll check out whoever is still playing when MM finish their set.

tbh

Bumblebee
01-30-2013, 06:12 PM
Moving units doesn't equate to a sell out. Let me say it like this.... Frontgate sold out their Coachella ticket stock. That much may be true, but if all of the tickets do not go into the hands of attendees, then it was technically NOT a sell out. If it's to be considered a sell out when it's far below capacity, then it's hype. Is this starting to make sense to you? If you're hyping your show too much, you'll lose money when people decide not to buy into the hype based on the actual lineup. In this case, it can result in a loss of money when stubhub and ticket master both buy smaller amounts of tickets next year based on poor sales this year, letting the ACTUAL DEMAND control the sales. The festival will be completely tarnished when it's revealed that the ACTUAL DEMAND does not sell out within hours, or days, but in weeks, or not at all. It shouldn't be too hard to figure out where the festival goes from there.

Basically all 160,000 passes have been sold minus some pricey hotel packages.

All the scalper tickets will re-sell for something close to face value or a modest mark up. Resale prices will be watched closely, though keep in mind that finding a place to sleep will be a challenge for latecomers.

The "hype" that's been busted is Paul Tollett's claim that the festival has enough demand to sell out 4 weekends.

Bumblebee
01-30-2013, 06:14 PM
I fucking love the Stone Roses but a lot of people on this forum were talking about how so-so they are live. I haven't had the chance to see them live, but I guess we'll find out in April.

Maybe some vintage Roses gigs and Ian solo gigs. Reviews of the Roses reunion have all be very strong.

JustSteve
01-30-2013, 06:26 PM
If Goldenvoice sells out of their allotment of passes it is sold out for them. The secondary market has no bearing on the term. All passes are out oftheir hands and into the hands of the general public. Sure they may not all end up being used, but their initial sale still stands

PulpOne
01-30-2013, 08:20 PM
If Goldenvoice sells out of their allotment of passes it is sold out for them. The secondary market has no bearing on the term. All passes are out oftheir hands and into the hands of the general public. Sure they may not all end up being used, but their initial sale still stands

Exactly.

To say its not sold out because the venue isn't at maximum capacity is ridiculous. In other words you're implying that aslong as there is a secondary market, it can't be 'truly' sold out.

Zafocaine
01-31-2013, 12:51 AM
Exactly.

To say its not sold out because the venue isn't at maximum capacity is ridiculous. In other words you're implying that aslong as there is a secondary market, it can't be 'truly' sold out.

If the festival sells out tickets that don't get used, it hurts the food/ merchandise sales, which leaves a mark. The secondary market not selling out their stock would lead them to readjusting their deal with Frontgate/ GV. Regardless... if passes are being sold, it's not sold out. It's not a sell out unless each ticket is sold to an attendee. As there are thousands of tickets for sale on the internet right now, the show is not sold out. Goldenvoice merely sold their stock of tickets.

Highly Refined Pirate
01-31-2013, 12:59 AM
you are an imbecile, with your logic essentially no concerts or sporting events could ever be "sold out"

Zafocaine
01-31-2013, 01:05 AM
you are an imbecile, with your logic essentially no concerts or sporting events could ever be "sold out"

Mostly correct. Selling out would be very rare for large venues like this. When you're dealing with rare acts in small clubs, it's fairly easy to sell out. When it comes to Coachella, selling out may not be entirely possible. What do you want to call the remainder of tickets that don't get resold or used? Does that just get ignored? It may technically be a sell out, but it's not an actual sell out, making it something of a forgery to claim it a sell out. Tickets unavailable through frontgate, yes. Tickets sold out? No. They will be on sale every day between now and April 22nd, post Coachella. Nothing about that is indicative of a sell out.

Phantasma Del Mar
01-31-2013, 06:47 AM
Every ticket was bought, it doesn't matter if they're resold or not. Say a couple thousand passes don't get used. Goldenvoice still sold all of their inventory. I don't understand why you're so intent on disputing this definition.

concertgoer
01-31-2013, 06:51 AM
I can never tell if Zafocaine is just the biggest troll or if he is just actually that fucking stupid

bemerritt
01-31-2013, 07:12 AM
If the festival sells out tickets that don't get used, it hurts the food/ merchandise sales, which leaves a mark. The secondary market not selling out their stock would lead them to readjusting their deal with Frontgate/ GV. Regardless... if passes are being sold, it's not sold out. It's not a sell out unless each ticket is sold to an attendee. As there are thousands of tickets for sale on the internet right now, the show is not sold out. Goldenvoice merely sold their stock of tickets.

So spicy pie will pay them less money to set up shop because <1% of tickets aren't used. sounds about right.

nathanfairchild
01-31-2013, 08:06 AM
I can never tell if Zafocaine is just the biggest troll or if he is just actually that fucking stupid

it's the latter.

travelfan
01-31-2013, 08:20 AM
The "hype" that's been busted is Paul Tollett's claim that the festival has enough demand to sell out 4 weekends.

Why? Because it took just under 24 hours instead of 3 to sell out? We thought a six day sellout for one weekend in 2011 was crazy successful. Just because it didn't sell out as fast as last year does not mean the demand wasn't there.

For example, I know people that were "on the fence" that probably would have bought a ticket had the sale gone for even a week longer, but didn't pull the trigger quickly enough. What this shows is that the people who were gung ho enough to have already budgeted, planned, and mentally committed to going for Coachella were able to get tickets, whereas in the past (up to 2010 even) the majority of attendees might have mentally made the decision three weeks after the lineup came out. People who would like to wait for the lineup, budget it for a couple weeks and plan didn't stop existing, they just won't be able to get tickets now.

PointBlank
01-31-2013, 11:17 AM
I don't usually flame people, but Zafocaine, your argument is the dumbest fucking thing I've read on this message board in a long time, and that's saying something.

PulpOne
01-31-2013, 12:21 PM
I can never tell if Zafocaine is just the biggest troll or if he is just actually that fucking stupid

I was also suspecting the same then settled on the fact that he must be.

99styles
01-31-2013, 01:24 PM
wtf is BLur or Phoniex doing headling oh yah and the Stone Roses.....ahh If anything New Order should be headling i can't believe they are that old that hipsters dont know who they are anymore

Zafocaine
01-31-2013, 01:37 PM
So spicy pie will pay them less money to set up shop because <1% of tickets aren't used. sounds about right.

You really think it'll end up being so few tickets? Where is the major demand for the festival this year? Outside of festival junkies, and people who are just devoted to going to Coachella, who is seeing this lineup as visionary? Who, outside of this group of people, will buy tickets for a 150%+ markup now that the lineup is out? Are you kidding yourself? Have you seen all the people trying to get rid of their tickets on the board, or trying to trade their weekend one tickets for more than they're worth like weekend 1 is worth more than weekend 2? I would say that Spicy Pie will always exist as long as the Coachella festival exists, regardless of what deal they have to make. Supply and Demand. Simple economics. There is an overabundance of unsold tickets. Calling it a sell out will instantly raise demand, sending people to places like stubhub to pay the markup. If the lineup just isn't that great, then even calling it a sell out when there are still tens of thousands available tickets remaining to be sold won't matter, and the festival will tank. Are you all so easily duped? Blur/ Stone Roses may be Coachella's swan song. Give it room to breath, guys. There aren't enough devoted message board users attending annually to keep weak headliners from effecting Coachella in the long run.

Zafocaine
01-31-2013, 01:39 PM
Every ticket was bought, it doesn't matter if they're resold or not. Say a couple thousand passes don't get used. Goldenvoice still sold all of their inventory. I don't understand why you're so intent on disputing this definition.

You'll be sitting there in 2015 wondering how a "Sold out" festival doesn't exist anymore (unless they happen to book true headliners in the next two years).

gswhooper
01-31-2013, 01:46 PM
You really think it'll end up being so few tickets? Where is the major demand for the festival this year? Outside of festival junkies, and people who are just devoted to going to Coachella, who is seeing this lineup as visionary? Who, outside of this group of people, will buy tickets for a 150%+ markup now that the lineup is out? Are you kidding yourself? Have you seen all the people trying to get rid of their tickets on the board, or trying to trade their weekend one tickets for more than they're worth like weekend 1 is worth more than weekend 2? I would say that Spicy Pie will always exist as long as the Coachella festival exists, regardless of what deal they have to make. Supply and Demand. Simple economics. There is an overabundance of unsold tickets. Calling it a sell out will instantly raise demand, sending people to places like stubhub to pay the markup. If the lineup just isn't that great, then even calling it a sell out when there are still tens of thousands available tickets remaining to be sold won't matter, and the festival will tank. Are you all so easily duped? Blur/ Stone Roses may be Coachella's swan song. Give it room to breath, guys. There aren't enough devoted message board users attending annually to keep weak headliners from effecting Coachella in the long run.

Why do you type fucking paragraph responses for everything? Also, What is your WPM rate?


You'll be sitting there in 2015 wondering how a "Sold out" festival doesn't exist anymore (unless they happen to book true headliners in the next two years).

LOL.No. Coachella will continue selling out for years if they put one decent headliner on the poster, with a consistently strong undercard.

Zafocaine
01-31-2013, 01:54 PM
Why do you type fucking paragraph responses for everything? Also, What is your WPM rate?



LOL.No. Coachella will continue selling out for years if they put one decent headliner on the poster, with a consistently strong undercard.

Not sure about WPM. Never timed myself properly, I suppose. No arguing there's a worthy undercard, but there are no headliners. RHCP is arguably headliner stature, as they've headlined before, and are still doing pretty major tours, but very anti-climactic considering our expectations for the show. I'm almost disappointed not to see fun. at this point. Maybe the festival will go on for many years to come... but don't say there weren't early obvious warning signs if it ends up disappearing, or becoming something else entirely.

Bumblebee
01-31-2013, 04:32 PM
Why? Because it took just under 24 hours instead of 3 to sell out? We thought a six day sellout for one weekend in 2011 was crazy successful. Just because it didn't sell out as fast as last year does not mean the demand wasn't there.

For example, I know people that were "on the fence" that probably would have bought a ticket had the sale gone for even a week longer, but didn't pull the trigger quickly enough. What this shows is that the people who were gung ho enough to have already budgeted, planned, and mentally committed to going for Coachella were able to get tickets, whereas in the past (up to 2010 even) the majority of attendees might have mentally made the decision three weeks after the lineup came out. People who would like to wait for the lineup, budget it for a couple weeks and plan didn't stop existing, they just won't be able to get tickets now.

2013 took longer to sell out than previous years - and has stronger competition from other US festivals since 2010. We'll have to wait 6 months to see if it's simply a off year for headliners. Your friends can find a 2013 pass for face value with some patience.

A hypothetical 2013 third Coachella weekend would have been a sales disaster.

I'm also curious how many wristbands some here think are never scanned. I think very low hundreds at most. There are "bottom feeder" scalpers willing to pick those up.

travelfan
01-31-2013, 04:39 PM
2013 took longer to sell out than previous years - and has stronger competition from other US festivals since 2010. We'll have to wait 6 months to see if it's simply a off year for headliners. Your friends can find a 2013 pass for face value with some patience.

A hypothetical 2013 third Coachella weekend would have been a sales disaster.

I'm also curious how many wristbands some here think are never scanned. I think very low hundreds at most. There are "bottom feeder" scalpers willing to pick those up.

It took under 24 hours to sell out two whole weekends, plus pre-sale. The only year it has ever sold out quicker was last year, prior to that the record was six days just to sell out one weekend. Was it as fast as last year? No, of course not. But you can hardly call that unsuccessful for a festival...last year, Bonnaroo either didn't sell out or sold out just before the event took place.

Coachella Bound
01-31-2013, 04:49 PM
Who said Coachella sold out? Go google search Coachella tickets. If moving mass amounts to second-hand distributors upon public release equates a sell-out, then sure. It's becoming clear to me that Coachella has never sold out, or filled to maximum capacity. It's all hype. Are you going to pay a markup because your ticket got sold to stubhub, or are you going to say fuck this careless capitalist festival??? I got my tickets, so I don't care what you do. Just curious ;D

This takes the cake.... Man i tried to side w/ you, pretended like people were just being mean because you were new. But wow.... you have got to be the dumbest mother fucker on the planet. Please just stop and reevaluate what it is you are actually trying to argue.


Basically all 160,000 passes have been sold minus some pricey hotel packages.

All the scalper tickets will re-sell for something close to face value or a modest mark up. Resale prices will be watched closely, though keep in mind that finding a place to sleep will be a challenge for latecomers.

The "hype" that's been busted is Paul Tollett's claim that the festival has enough demand to sell out 4 weekends.

and then this..... how can the hype have been busted if 4 weekends dont exist? They would have had to fail selling four weekends worth of tix for this to have been busted.

Bumblebee
01-31-2013, 07:03 PM
It took under 24 hours to sell out two whole weekends, plus pre-sale. The only year it has ever sold out quicker was last year, prior to that the record was six days just to sell out one weekend. Was it as fast as last year? No, of course not. But you can hardly call that unsuccessful for a festival...last year, Bonnaroo either didn't sell out or sold out just before the event took place.

I've never called it unsuccessful. I just said it was less successful and the lineup reflected a SLOWER sellout and an influx of secondary tickets that are much more affordable than the last couple years. It's virtually confirmed(judging by forced shuttle tickets/capacity) that more tickets were sold in pre-sale than the onsale this week.


how can the hype have been busted if 4 weekends dont exist? They would have had to fail selling four weekends worth of tix for this to have been busted.

Tollett said they could do 4 weekends. Given demand the last couple years I could definitely believe 3 weekends. This lineup and this week sales show that only a lunatic would think you could fill up the field a hypothetical 3rd time.

My overall point is that headliners do matter and "weak"/"new" headliners over a couple years isn't a good business plan. Some of this is speculative but it will be interesting seeing if W2 ticket ever drop noticably below face value come March and how everyone reacts.

MotorAve
01-31-2013, 07:28 PM
Begging to be mocked.

HTDA - don't play arenas. (This is not NIN)
Passion Pit - arenas are the exception, not the rule
Bassnectar - see Passion Pit
Dog Blood - don't play arenas (Not Skrillex)
Phoenix - see Bassnectar
Sigur Ros - see Phoenix
Puscifer - plays clubs and theaters (Not Tool)
Postal Service - don't play arenas (nothing Gibbard is involved in plays arenas consistently anyway)

Do you even bother looking at tour dates? Or are you just stupid enough to take 2-3 arena dates in the biggest markets and 20-30 amphitheater dates on a tour and label it an "arena level" act? For future reference, playing MSG doesn't make you an arena-level act. Playing MSG plus 30 other arenas on the same tour, does.

There's exactly ONE band on the entire poster that consistently plays arenas: RHCP. End of story.

Do you even bother to read? I didn't say HTDA is NIN, or that Puscifer is Tool. I said they're Trent Reznor and Maynard James Keenan. Both of those guys front, nay are, major arena acts. Puscifer is not a big draw only because it's a big joke (actually, Tool is a lot bigger of a joke than Puscifer, but never mind that), but HTDA has yet to play live and let's be clear that you have no earthly idea what its drawing power will be.

Did I say every act above plays arenas consistently? No, I didn't. End of story. Though, I do need to note your fail in seeking to distinguish between arenas and amphitheaters - most large amphitheaters in America are arena-sized, and several are larger than any arena. Oh, and Skrillex has headlined the largest-capacity arena in America.

Incidentally, Los Angeles happens to be one of the 2-3 biggest markets in the country. Coachella isn't in Los Angeles, you say? No shit - it's bigger than just about any venue in LA. Moron.

AlexHeindel
01-31-2013, 10:14 PM
Why does every thread end up in an argument about ticket sales and hype? Take your shenanigans elsewhere.

Back to the topic.
Yes. The headliners are disappointing. I saw a quote earlier about Blur and the Stone Roses making the point that most people at the festival were going to read it and only know one song (Song 2) by Blur, between both bands. And I was like, holy shit! That's me! It was one of the most underwhelming lineup-revealing moments of the past years. I honestly believe they were a last second addition because GV couldn't close on someone much bigger. Someone that would have blown us away (referring to the much more acclaimed British rock group we were all hoping for.) But what's done is done.

Moving on.
Phoenix was an interesting pick. They've had major succeses and put on a decent show but their new album has to be pretty incredible for me to consider them a true headliner. But if they were trying to make up for the first day, then they fell short regardless. And finally we have the chili peppers. I'm not sure why most of you dislike RHCP. They're an iconic band that spawned from the L.A. punk scene (with obvious funk influences as well) and they can definitely put on a show. Saw them at Lollapalooza last year and they absolutely
killed it. RHCP, the Black Keys, and Black Sabbath was one badass hard-hitting headlining group.

Zafocaine
02-01-2013, 02:53 AM
This takes the cake.... Man i tried to side w/ you, pretended like people were just being mean because you were new. But wow.... you have got to be the dumbest mother fucker on the planet. Please just stop and reevaluate what it is you are actually trying to argue.

Right on.

nake13
02-01-2013, 09:06 AM
All I wanted about this poster was to not see RHCP on it... THAT'S ALL I WANTED... I would have taken pretty much anyone else this year. ANYONE. Jesus Paul. WHY?!
ughs.. okay, I'll get over it.

/rant

LOL.

Same here.

Did you hear/read that RHCP were booked just 1 hour before the lineup release?

Lame on you GV!

travelfan
02-01-2013, 09:57 AM
Tollett said they could do 4 weekends. Given demand the last couple years I could definitely believe 3 weekends. This lineup and this week sales show that only a lunatic would think you could fill up the field a hypothetical 3rd time.

I am giving this one last try, and if you can't understand it, you can't understand it.

Let's say they had a hypothetical third weekend. Based on the time it took two weekends to sell out (under 24 hours), you would be correct if your argument was that they would not be able to instantly sell out three weekends. You are making an assumption based on one year of data (2012) that a sell-out is only possible in the first day, and that if it takes longer than 24 hours, then it won't sell out.

The truth is that all this proves is that to get into the first two weekends, you would have to be so gung-ho about the decision that you a) would have bought it pre-lineup during the pre-sale, or b) would buy it within 24 hours, and take time off work, buy hotels, plane tickets, etc after. There are many more people who may not pull the plug immediately on a festival of this size, but after a couple weeks of analyzing the lineup, comparing hotel fares and plane tickets, roping in friends/getting permission from parents, and making sure they can take the time off work, would eventually buy tickets. They will not be able to get into Coachella as it is structured now, but that does not remove them from under the category of "demand" for additional weekends that Paul was referring to.

In 2011, Coachella took 6 days to sell out. In 2010, it took months and months. In 2008, it didn't even sell out. So, clearly, in many past Coachellas, the majority of attendees were actually from the second group, the group that took their time.

All that you are able to prove from your "data" is that there are only enough "die-hard, we're going no matter what!" attendees to fill two weekends. Do you realize how silly it is to make a claim that there is no way another weekend would have sold out since it took twoweekends less than 24 hours to sell out, especially when in the past it took months to sell out a Coachella? You are making the claim that if an event does not sell-out instantly, it will not sell out.

Like I said, if you can't get it, you can't get it. Whatever.

Bumblebee
02-01-2013, 10:33 AM
I honestly believe they were a last second addition because GV couldn't close on someone much bigger. Someone that would have blown us away (referring to the much more acclaimed British rock group we were all hoping for.) But what's done is done.

Nothing backs up the claim that Roses were a late booking. Blur was done a good 6 months ago.

Phoenix is the one I wonder about. When they came into the picture to top their day and if they were ever a sub in the past 2 months.

nikehair
02-01-2013, 11:02 AM
Nothing backs up the claim that Roses were a late booking. Blur was done a good 6 months ago.

Phoenix is the one I wonder about. When they came into the picture to top their day and if they were ever a sub in the past 2 months.

Pretty sure it was supposed to be Phoenix -> Daft Punk

Zafocaine
02-01-2013, 11:47 AM
I am giving this one last try, and if you can't understand it, you can't understand it.

Let's say they had a hypothetical third weekend. Based on the time it took two weekends to sell out (under 24 hours), you would be correct if your argument was that they would not be able to instantly sell out three weekends. You are making an assumption based on one year of data (2012) that a sell-out is only possible in the first day, and that if it takes longer than 24 hours, then it won't sell out.

The truth is that all this proves is that to get into the first two weekends, you would have to be so gung-ho about the decision that you a) would have bought it pre-lineup during the pre-sale, or b) would buy it within 24 hours, and take time off work, buy hotels, plane tickets, etc after. There are many more people who may not pull the plug immediately on a festival of this size, but after a couple weeks of analyzing the lineup, comparing hotel fares and plane tickets, roping in friends/getting permission from parents, and making sure they can take the time off work, would eventually buy tickets. They will not be able to get into Coachella as it is structured now, but that does not remove them from under the category of "demand" for additional weekends that Paul was referring to.

In 2011, Coachella took 6 days to sell out. In 2010, it took months and months. In 2008, it didn't even sell out. So, clearly, in many past Coachellas, the majority of attendees were actually from the second group, the group that took their time.

All that you are able to prove from your "data" is that there are only enough "die-hard, we're going no matter what!" attendees to fill two weekends. Do you realize how silly it is to make a claim that there is no way another weekend would have sold out since it took twoweekends less than 24 hours to sell out, especially when in the past it took months to sell out a Coachella? You are making the claim that if an event does not sell-out instantly, it will not sell out.

Like I said, if you can't get it, you can't get it. Whatever.

You're still under the impression that Coachella is a sold out festival, while tens of thousands of passes are still available for purchase. Someone in this thread obviously does not get it, and you're not the one to be making claims on who that someone is.

xuclarockerx
02-01-2013, 12:24 PM
I am curious how many of these "sold out" passes were picked up by resellers. Like, what percentage.

I think that there are lots of people interested in Coachella and at this point the hype may be such that even if they aren't thrilled with the lineup, they just want to go. I agree it's definitely about the experience. But since my first Coachella in '07 until this year, "epic" headliners have been an important part of the equation, and future Coachellas cannot infinitely thrive on bottom-heavy lineups like this year. Eventually all the curious people who want to go to Coachella will go. I kind of like the idea that GV invoked their punk rock roots and said "Fuck it, we're telling you who's headliner-worthy", I kind of don't like it, but I'm pretty sure there was more to this year's booking than that alone. I think next year will perhaps be a balance of 2012 & 2013.

travelfan
02-01-2013, 02:15 PM
You're still under the impression that Coachella is a sold out festival, while tens of thousands of passes are still available for purchase. Someone in this thread obviously does not get it, and you're not the one to be making claims on who that someone is.

As of this second, there are exactly 3,044 tickets available on StubHub. Which is approximately 2% of the capacity of the two weekends. Exactly like last year.

And as every single other person in this thread has pointed out, your definition of a "sold out event" has never once even closely resembled reality.

Zafocaine
02-01-2013, 02:22 PM
As of this second, there are exactly 3,044 tickets available on StubHub. Which is approximately 2% of the capacity of the two weekends. Exactly like last year.

And as every single other person in this thread has pointed out, your definition of a "sold out event" has never once even closely resembled reality.

Frontgatetickets.com still has passes, GA and VIP on sale with travel packages. Please explain to me how passes still being on sale equates to a sell out. I'm all eyes.

travelfan
02-01-2013, 02:25 PM
Frontgatetickets.com still has passes, GA and VIP on sale with travel packages. Please explain to me how passes still being on sale equates to a sell out. I'm all eyes.

You continue to be impossible. A couple El Dorado tents and a 2% scalper secondary market still does not equal your "tens of thousands" number.

Zafocaine
02-01-2013, 02:45 PM
You continue to be impossible. A couple El Dorado tents and a 2% scalper secondary market still does not equal your "tens of thousands" number.

A couple? As well as travel packages, people selling their tickets on ebay now, and people selling their tickets on ebay within the next two and a half months. You're in serious denial. Thousands just on stubhub, and growing. Tens of thousands is nearly obviously accurate by your own claims. How about you wait and see? We can have this argument for the next three days, or we can both wait and see how it turns out. It's obvious that thousands of passes are still available. You can argue that the number isn't TENS of thousands, but you're still proving my initial point. COACHELLA 2013 IS NOT AS OF YET A SELL OUT CONCERT. Caps because you have difficulties reading paragraphs, and need emphasis on the main points. Good day to you, sir. It's time for lunch.

Edit: Almost forgot. More sources. Booya with a cherry on top. http://valleymusictravel.com/coachella_hotels_2013_weekend1.php

Bumblebee
02-01-2013, 03:53 PM
Edit: Almost forgot. More sources. Booya with a cherry on top. http://valleymusictravel.com/coachella_hotels_2013_weekend1.php

Many of those are $1,500 to be in Palm Spring. Who wants to ride a giant yellow school bus 6 times for an hour each to a music festival?

There was a couple decent deals but much of hotel packages offered is simply separating rich people form their money.

orangejulius
02-01-2013, 04:44 PM
Many of those are $1,500 to be in Palm Spring. Who wants to ride a giant yellow school bus 6 times for an hour each to a music festival?

There was a couple decent deals but much of hotel packages offered is simply separating rich people form their money.

I enjoyed staying at Palm Mountain last year and riding the shuttle to the grounds. I wish it were a little closer, but the location was nice due to proximity of about anything you could want. Groceries, shops, bars and restaurants all over the area.

This time around I'm going to stay on the other side of the airport and drive to the Tennis Garden and park there to cut down the shuttle time. It will also justify my rental car better... I didn't mind taking the Marriot line in 2011, which seemed about the right distance.

I do agree that the "vacation packages" are rediculously overpriced. My flight, hotel, rental car and ticket all together were around $1500 together.

Either way, this event is essentially sold out. The only passes left are rediculous packages, and selling the secondary market creates no incentive beyond merchant traffic for GV.

If there are less people than last year, I will be personally overjoyed.

Highly Refined Pirate
02-01-2013, 06:18 PM
I said the COMBINATION of Blur/Roses, which will be a worldwide exclusive that will be talked about for years to come.

Hahahahahahaha... yeah... right.

You'll be telling your unborn grandchildren about the Blur/Stone Roses I'm sure