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suprefan
08-19-2012, 08:10 PM
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-san-vincent-bridge-suicide,0,6600078.story



SAN PEDRO, Calif. (KTLA) -- British film director Tony Scott jumped to his death to his death Sunday afternoon from the Vincent Thomas Bridge in San Pedro, police officials confirmed.

The director climbed a fence on the south side of the bridge's apex and jumped off without hesitation about 12:30 p.m. He reportedly left a suicide note inside his black Toyota Prius, which was parked in the bridge's eastbound lanes.

Officers from the LAPD, the CHP and the U.S. Coast Guard worked together to pull Scott's body from the water and bring it to a dock in Wilington, where it was turned over to Los Angeles County coroner's officials.


Scott's directing credits include Top Gun, Days of Thunder, Crimson Tide, Man on Fire and Beverly Hills Cop II.

algunz
08-19-2012, 08:11 PM
Wow.

gaypalmsprings
08-19-2012, 08:15 PM
Maybe he was a scientologist and an alien creature was after him.

R.I.P.

ThatGirl
08-19-2012, 08:17 PM
Holy shit! I loved Man On Fire. WTF.

algunz
08-19-2012, 08:19 PM
True Romance.

:(

RotationSlimWang
08-19-2012, 08:20 PM
Fuck him, that's what he gets for changing the ending to True Romance.

RotationSlimWang
08-19-2012, 08:23 PM
... wait, I only have to be sympathetic if they die from cancer, right? Suicides are fair game?

As a protective measure--Lance and I extend our most sincere condolences over this guy nobody on the board could recognize killing himself. Celebrity deaths are not funny, blah blah blah.

suprefan
08-19-2012, 08:28 PM
I wonder what the note said.

algunz
08-19-2012, 08:28 PM
The same old shit.

RotationSlimWang
08-19-2012, 08:31 PM
Oh, he was about to start work on Top Gun 2. That explains a lot.

ThatGirl
08-19-2012, 08:37 PM
People that kill themselves piss me off actually.

nyarlathotoats
08-19-2012, 08:48 PM
I wonder what the note said.
As do I. While it won't bring him back, its still a clue as to what personal demons and devils he was probably dealing with.


Oh, he was about to start work on Top Gun 2. That explains a lot.
....you may be onto something. Could Tom Cruise or even little Suri be behind this?

RotationSlimWang
08-19-2012, 08:52 PM
People that kill themselves piss me off actually.

I find people with your opinion really offensive. Why would you deny anyone else their right to have a say in how they die?


....you may be onto something. Could Tom Cruise or even little Suri be behind this?

No, you dipshit, the implication is that he would rather die than re-hash what was already such a shitty movie to begin with.

Somewhat Damaged
08-19-2012, 08:54 PM
People that kill themselves piss me off actually.

Have you never been so in the grip of despair that killing yourself seemed like the most reasonable action? I think it's fucked that he did this, especially since he had a couple of kids, but I can empathize with being despondent enough to think about committing suicide in the first place, much less going through with it.

McDunnough
08-19-2012, 09:07 PM
Of all the cars he could own, why was he driving a Prius?

nyarlathotoats
08-19-2012, 09:19 PM
No, you dipshit, the implication is that he would rather die than re-hash what was already such a shitty movie to begin with.

I got what you were implying, I merely took it in a different direction.

icedKeg
08-19-2012, 09:29 PM
whoa

http://boomstickcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/murphy-eddie-beverly-hills-cop-4.jpg

cutterbutter
08-19-2012, 09:56 PM
Fuck.

kronz420
08-19-2012, 10:57 PM
Vincent Thomas Bridge aka Highway to the danger zone!

xxxxxxxxxx
08-19-2012, 11:27 PM
People that kill themselves piss me off actually.

Yep. I have no respect for anyone who takes their own life. I have had someone close to me do this and by doing so dragged me into their mess. I'm still pissed off about it 7 years later.

malcolmjamalawesome
08-20-2012, 02:31 AM
Yep. I have no respect for anyone who takes their own life. I have had someone close to me do this and by doing so dragged me into their mess. I'm still pissed off about it 7 years later.

You know who the real victim in Person A's death is? Me, Person B.

malcolmjamalawesome
08-20-2012, 02:33 AM
People that kill themselves piss me off actually.

"People should continue living their lives that are utterly full of despair. It's as though people don't even consider my feelings when they choose to end their constant agony. I'm ThatGirl."

getbetter
08-20-2012, 04:23 AM
v3ZA-_kWGGc&

ivankay
08-20-2012, 04:30 AM
As a protective measure--Lance and I extend our most sincere condolences over this guy nobody on the board could recognize killing himself. Celebrity deaths are not funny, blah blah blah.

i could recognize him. Mr. Scott frequently used my place of employment for his projects. Based on my encounters, i thought he was a very nice man. That opinion extended throughout our building. i feel for his family and company.

TomAz
08-20-2012, 05:46 AM
People that kill themselves piss me off actually.

I agree! It's almost as bad as people with breast cancer. How dare you get breast cancer you selfish asshole.

algunz
08-20-2012, 06:13 AM
I understand where ThatGirl is coming from. I guess it depends on whether there were warning signs. Did he try to reach out at all? Those left behind are often left with dark hearts and a lot of anger.

ThatGirl
08-20-2012, 06:14 AM
It's just a selfish and a horrible thing to do to your loved ones.

schoolofruckus
08-20-2012, 06:15 AM
I too would recognize him. I scouted our large water tank stage with him for Deja Vu (they ended up filming in it for about a week). He seemed like a nice enough guy, especially considering the usual tendencies of mega-scale action filmmakers. Huge fan of The Last Boy Scout, varying degrees of enthusiasm for the rest of his work. RIP.

TomAz
08-20-2012, 06:54 AM
It's just a selfish and a horrible thing to do to your loved ones.

Maybe his loved ones had it coming.

HotHamWater
08-20-2012, 07:01 AM
I got what you were implying, I merely took it in a different direction.

Well, congrats on purposely derailing the joke by taking it in a very non-funny shitty direction. I would like to know what your thought process was.

Somewhat Damaged
08-20-2012, 07:03 AM
It's just a selfish and a horrible thing to do to your loved ones.

You don't know what the situation was, so you're not in a position to judge. It's all too easy to spout off that the person was being a selfish prick for killing themselves when one doesn't know what was going on in that person's life or mind that compelled them to do that. It pisses me off when people get so indignant about something they have zero clue about.

TomAz
08-20-2012, 07:06 AM
Come on Rick. people with mental illness just need to get over it. sheesh.

algunz
08-20-2012, 07:09 AM
I'm guessing you don't know what it feels like to be left behind. Why do you guys have the right to judge?

gaypalmsprings
08-20-2012, 07:12 AM
http://cdn.motinetwork.net/motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/1103/suicide-death-heaven-sin-amsome-demotivational-posters-1300106025.jpg

TomAz
08-20-2012, 07:16 AM
Why do you guys have the right to judge?

What a bizarre statement. ThatGirl has judged suicides as selfish. Rick and I are disagreeing with her.

amyzzz
08-20-2012, 07:18 AM
No one has the right to feel any way about anything, EVER.

TomAz
08-20-2012, 07:21 AM
They have an "AMSOME" clause.

algunz
08-20-2012, 07:22 AM
I guess I'm being hypersensitive.

HotHamWater
08-20-2012, 07:23 AM
I'm guessing you don't know what it feels like to be left behind. Why do you guys have the right to judge?

Yes, let's just stop having discourse and sharing opinions because some of it is rooted in "judging."

ThatGirl
08-20-2012, 07:23 AM
You don't know what the situation was, so you're not in a position to judge. It's all too easy to spout off that the person was being a selfish prick for killing themselves when one doesn't know what was going on in that person's life or mind that compelled them to do that. It pisses me off when people get so indignant about something they have zero clue about.

I don't know the circumstances, but my gut reaction when a person chooses to take their own life isn't something I can help.

chairmenmeow47
08-20-2012, 07:29 AM
i think when you have kids under the age of 18, it's pretty fucked. i'm sure there are some parents where you're probably such a shitty parent, death allows the child to only remember the good stuff, but it also leaves a trail of trauma for that kid for the rest of their life. especially if they were too young to understand the parent killed themselves because they were generally depressed and not just mad at the kid. other than that, i don't think any of us can reasonably tell someone life is going to get better if they just live to make the rest of us happy. it's sad. and yes, it really hurts those of us left behind, but it's not our life to live.

fatbastard
08-20-2012, 07:31 AM
Always go with your gut.

algunz
08-20-2012, 07:31 AM
Yes, let's just stop having discourse and sharing opinions because some of it is rooted in "judging."

That is so not what I was going for. It just seems that there may be some truth to TG's statement and just like the victim's feelings, the survivor's emotions shouldn't be disregarded.

SoulDischarge
08-20-2012, 07:33 AM
It's selfish for a rich and famous person to commit suicide. What the fuck are we plebes supposed to look forward to if wealth and notoriety doesn't make you happy?

HotHamWater
08-20-2012, 07:34 AM
That is so not what I was going for. It just seems that there may be some truth to TG's statement and just like the victim's feelings, the survivor's emotions shouldn't be disregarded.

Rick acknowledged this in his first post...


Have you never been so in the grip of despair that killing yourself seemed like the most reasonable action? I think it's fucked that he did this, especially since he had a couple of kids, but I can empathize with being despondent enough to think about committing suicide in the first place, much less going through with it.


ThatGirl gave an opinion, Rick gave a little bit of validity to an aspect of her opinion and came back with his own perspective. That's how this stuff works, algunz.

SoulDischarge
08-20-2012, 07:34 AM
Maybe algunz just has survivor's guilt.

nyarlathotoats
08-20-2012, 08:15 AM
Well, congrats on purposely derailing the joke by taking it in a very non-funny shitty direction. I would like to know what your thought process was.

Look, it was a swing and a miss at being witty. I get that; I tried and failed.

Its a message board, hotham. Simmer down...

algunz
08-20-2012, 08:29 AM
ThatGirl gave an opinion, Rick gave a little bit of validity to an aspect of her opinion and came back with his own perspective. That's how this stuff works, algunz.

I never insisted that the discussion end.

Yablonowitz
08-20-2012, 08:29 AM
There's some quality, meaningful communicating going on in this thread. It's so great to see.

TomAz
08-20-2012, 08:36 AM
Hi Greg. How are you? I am fine.

McDunnough
08-20-2012, 08:37 AM
Apparently he had just been diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/top-gun-director-tony-scott-inoprable-brain-cancer/story?id=17039434#.UDJgb6OfiJs

SoulDischarge
08-20-2012, 08:39 AM
Brain cancer? How selfish.

ThatGirl
08-20-2012, 08:41 AM
Apparently he had just been diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer.

That's awful.

TomAz
08-20-2012, 08:44 AM
What a prick.

RotationSlimWang
08-20-2012, 08:48 AM
Hahahaha, FACE.

Yablonowitz
08-20-2012, 08:51 AM
That's awful.

Better than dying with a bunch of fucking tubes shoved in you.

Yablonowitz
08-20-2012, 08:52 AM
Hi Greg. How are you? I am fine.

I'm doing fine. Heard about this and knew I needed to come to the board to make sense of it all. Glad you're doing well.

algunz
08-20-2012, 08:52 AM
Better for everybody.

ThatGirl
08-20-2012, 08:52 AM
Better than dying with a bunch of fucking tubes shoved in you.

Well I hope his family can share that same view, and take comfort in the notes he left, even if they didn't get the chance to say goodbye to him.

RotationSlimWang
08-20-2012, 08:53 AM
Saying goodbye isn't really all that much fun.

Hannahrain
08-20-2012, 08:53 AM
What are "fucking tubes," you depraved son of a bitch? I don't understand why somebody always has to make this stuff inappropriate.

Yablonowitz
08-20-2012, 08:56 AM
What are "fucking tubes," you depraved son of a bitch? I don't understand why somebody always has to make this stuff inappropriate.

You....uhhh...you don't use fucking tubes? Is that not common? I can't even come without fucking tubes.

Yablonowitz
08-20-2012, 08:58 AM
Well I hope his family can share that same view, and take comfort in the notes he left, even if they didn't get the chance to say goodbye to him.

His poor, poor family. They never said goodbye and they never got their fucking tubes.

PotVsKtl
08-20-2012, 09:19 AM
ThatGirl, want to be friends? I'm totally not going to burrow my way into your heart and then eat a million quaaludes.

Hannahrain
08-20-2012, 09:22 AM
How romantic.

malcolmjamalawesome
08-20-2012, 09:24 AM
ThatGirl, how did it feel the moment you realized reality had provided a scenario that demonstrated how asinine your position is more effectively than any hypothetical ever could?

PotVsKtl
08-20-2012, 09:24 AM
I'm telling you, ThatGirl and I are going to be fast friends. We're going to be so close that when I stab myself in the face to death she can feel my soul detaching from her own, like a gossamer strand rending in the breeze; a million tiny ghost hands unclasping. Then I spring my trap.

ThatGirl
08-20-2012, 09:25 AM
ThatGirl, want to be friends? I'm totally not going to burrow my way into your heart and then eat a million quaaludes.

Great sales pitch.

Hannahrain
08-20-2012, 09:26 AM
Kiss him, you fool.

ThatGirl
08-20-2012, 09:26 AM
ThatGirl, how did it feel the moment you realized reality had provided a scenario that demonstrated how asinine your position is more effectively than any hypothetical ever could?

My position hasn't changed.

chairmenmeow47
08-20-2012, 09:27 AM
what if the family doesn't want to say goodbye?

amyzzz
08-20-2012, 09:29 AM
That Girl would rather watch her loved one waste away over several months to a year than allow him to end his life while he was still relatively healthy-looking.

PotVsKtl
08-20-2012, 09:29 AM
Let's all agree to pretend the Boyz II Men video has already been posted.

SoulDischarge
08-20-2012, 09:31 AM
If a person doesn't want to live any more, the body has ways to shut down that whole thing.

ThatGirl
08-20-2012, 09:33 AM
To me suicide isn't an option. It's just not something I believe in and I don't support it.

TomAz
08-20-2012, 09:34 AM
If a person doesn't want to live any more, the body has ways to shut down that whole thing.

Only if it's a legitimate lack of will to live.

chairmenmeow47
08-20-2012, 09:35 AM
yeah, i hear that. pickles aren't an option. they just aren't something i believe in and i don't support them.

Hannahrain
08-20-2012, 09:35 AM
To me suicide isn't an option. It's just not something I believe in and I don't support it.
You're probably going to want to rethink this marriage to PvK, then.

SoulDischarge
08-20-2012, 09:37 AM
Good point. He has two suicides from a previous marriage.

chairmenmeow47
08-20-2012, 09:38 AM
i want ThatGirl's life if suicide has never been an option. whenever doctor's ask me if i am considering suicide, i always say yes. because in my opinion, you'd have to be crazy not to consider suicide after a year of massive, chronic pain. i'm not actually going to do it, because i tried and realized it wasn't what i really wanted, but i can't believe someone would go their entire life without ever considering suicide as an option.

PotVsKtl
08-20-2012, 09:39 AM
Only if it's a legitimate lack of will to live.

Are you implying that that time I woke up with lack of will to live all over my face and thighs wasn't legitimate?

Hannahrain
08-20-2012, 09:42 AM
Did you acquire the proper permits beforehand?

PotVsKtl
08-20-2012, 09:44 AM
It says right here on the bottle, "Fall Fast Asleep And Stay Fast Asleep! Upsy-Daisy, I'm Inside You!"

Hannahrain
08-20-2012, 09:47 AM
Probably an import produced under regulations that aren't commensurate with ours. I have a hard time believing an American-made rape enhancement product would be so cloyingly packaged. Sounds like you're out to sea as far as legitimacy is concerned.

TomAz
08-20-2012, 09:47 AM
That shit never works for me.

ThatGirl
08-20-2012, 09:48 AM
i want ThatGirl's life if suicide has never been an option. whenever doctor's ask me if i am considering suicide, i always say yes. because in my opinion, you'd have to be crazy not to consider suicide after a year of massive, chronic pain. i'm not actually going to do it, because i tried and realized it wasn't what i really wanted, but i can't believe someone would go their entire life without ever considering suicide as an option.

I'm sorry that you have felt that way and I'm glad you changed your mind.

malcolmjamalawesome
08-20-2012, 09:48 AM
v3ZA-_kWGGc

Alchemy
08-20-2012, 09:50 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gO7uemm6Yo

Yablonowitz
08-20-2012, 10:17 AM
I'm sorry that you have felt that way and I'm glad you changed your mind.

So, you think people with inoperable brain tumors should just chill out and let the medical establishment take its course?

Hannahrain
08-20-2012, 10:23 AM
God gives us only what He knows we can handle, Gregory.

TomAz
08-20-2012, 10:23 AM
THE MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX

HotHamWater
08-20-2012, 10:30 AM
Yablo!

Mint Julep
08-20-2012, 11:41 AM
To me suicide isn't an option. It's just not something I believe in and I don't support it.


Wow. You're a heartless asshole.

TomAz
08-20-2012, 11:43 AM
In her defense, she is Canadian.

chairmenmeow47
08-20-2012, 11:55 AM
I'm sorry that you have felt that way and I'm glad you changed your mind.

i'm really not trying to be rude and i like you and don't think you're an asshole at all :)

i sincerely want to know if committing suicide has EVER crossed your mind. i'm not saying you had to have a plan, but just thought about it like i do when i'm sick (i have no plan, but it crosses my mind daily). i guess what i'm saying is i find it astounding that someone could go their entire life without thinking it might be easier just to throw in the towel. also, do you ever think there would be a situation where suicide makes sense? are you for assisted suicide? is the concern merely that loved ones don't get a say in the decision or do not get to say goodbye? just trying to understand :)

Hannahrain
08-20-2012, 12:06 PM
Contemplating suicide seems to me like an inherent enough part of understanding and accepting your own mortality that it's hard to imagine anybody hasn't at least thought about it once or twice before forming their overarching opinion around it and death in general. I'm curious to know whether or not you feel generally okay with death and the fact that it could realistically come for you any second, or if it's something that you actively fear and try not to think about altogether.

JustSteve
08-20-2012, 12:15 PM
i'm really not trying to be rude and i like you and don't think you're an asshole at all :)

i sincerely want to know if committing suicide has EVER crossed your mind. i'm not saying you had to have a plan, but just thought about it like i do when i'm sick (i have no plan, but it crosses my mind daily). i guess what i'm saying is i find it astounding that someone could go their entire life without thinking it might be easier just to throw in the towel. also, do you ever think there would be a situation where suicide makes sense? are you for assisted suicide? is the concern merely that loved ones don't get a say in the decision or do not get to say goodbye? just trying to understand :)

I can say that I have not even really thought about it since my teen days, even with all I go through. Just never thought of it as a real option for myself. Sure I could let all my medical treatments stop and in a way that could be construed as suicide, although it would take several month or years for the dying to actually happen. Guess no matter what I have always felt life is something of value and no matter how shitty I feel or how much I miss out on, the alternative definitely isn't better.

malcolmjamalawesome
08-20-2012, 12:19 PM
I can say that I have not even really thought about it since my teen days, even with all I go through. Just never thought of it as an option for myself.

Do you also believe it is an option for no one else and does it make you personally angry when people commit suicide?

guedita
08-20-2012, 12:21 PM
If a person doesn't want to live any more, the body has ways to shut down that whole thing.

hahahahaha

chairmenmeow47
08-20-2012, 12:23 PM
I can say that I have not even really thought about it since my teen days, even with all I go through. Just never thought of it as a real option for myself. Sure I could let all my medical treatments stop and in a way that could be construed as suicide, although it would take several month or years for the dying to actually happen. Guess no matter what I have always felt life is something of value and no matter how shitty I feel or how much I miss out on, the alternative definitely isn't better.

do you think you'd feel differently if you were single and childless? i'm not saying those are the only reasons to leave, but being a single childless person who thinks about suicide almost daily, i had to ask :) i also know you're MUCH more chronically ill than i am in that if i give up medical treatment i won't die, so i hope you don't mind me asking if the fact that death is so close makes it harder to want to give up? just curious being that we're in similar boats. i also have a history of suicide and childhood trauma, so i may be wired differently. either way, your strength contiually amazes me steve. i hope we get to meet someday <3

Hannahrain
08-20-2012, 12:24 PM
How many suicides have you committed, exactly?

ThatGirl
08-20-2012, 12:24 PM
i'm really not trying to be rude and i like you and don't think you're an asshole at all :)

i sincerely want to know if committing suicide has EVER crossed your mind. i'm not saying you had to have a plan, but just thought about it like i do when i'm sick (i have no plan, but it crosses my mind daily). i guess what i'm saying is i find it astounding that someone could go their entire life without thinking it might be easier just to throw in the towel. also, do you ever think there would be a situation where suicide makes sense? are you for assisted suicide? is the concern merely that loved ones don't get a say in the decision or do not get to say goodbye? just trying to understand :)

I think everyone is entitled to their opinions and feelings on any subject, and unlike some on this thread, I don't think having a less popular opinion makes you an asshole. It really doesn't matter to me if people disagree with me.

To answer your question: I've been sad and hurt and unhappy at many times in my life, and gone through horribly painful experiences just like anyone else. But I've honestly never been in a position where I seriously felt ending it was a solution. Maybe I'm in the minority here but I can only speak for my own experiences.

There are always personal circumstances that are tragic and terrible and if you knew me well, you'd know I do empathize with anyone that is hurting. For some, assisted suicide may be a totally different issue that falls in a different category. But that wasn't a topic this thread was covering at the time I first commented. However, I do think in the same way there is a reason we don't get to know what really happens after we die, maybe it should be out of our control and outside of our power to cross that line. It's nothing to do with any sort of religious belief or anything like that. What I do believe is that life and death are a mystery - and human life should be allowed to unfold as it's meant to without our own personal intervention. I hope that answers your question, and helps with your understanding my comments.

JustSteve
08-20-2012, 12:25 PM
Not at all. Due to all my medical issues I truly understand the need for a person having a say in how/when their life ends when it comes to that point. I would wish the people that love me have the compassion to pump a bunch of extra painkilers into me if I am at the end stage of my disease and death is inevitable within a short amount of time. I know my dad tried to hep my grandmother in just such a case when she was dying from pancreatic cancer. And yes, I get angry when someone I know kills themselves, but purely for selfish reasons, because I still want them around and hate that neither myself nor anyone else that loved that person was enough for them to hold on. I do understand why some choose that route, though, and can sit comfortably knowing their pain and suffering is no more.

ThatGirl
08-20-2012, 12:26 PM
I can say that I have not even really thought about it since my teen days, even with all I go through. Just never thought of it as a real option for myself. Sure I could let all my medical treatments stop and in a way that could be construed as suicide, although it would take several month or years for the dying to actually happen. Guess no matter what I have always felt life is something of value and no matter how shitty I feel or how much I miss out on, the alternative definitely isn't better.

:pulse

chairmenmeow47
08-20-2012, 12:30 PM
to answer hannah's question, i've been resurrected from suicide at least a dozen times. i'm a saviour in all parts of the world. i've seriously only attempted suicide once, but was a cutter in high school and engaged in a LOT of "please kill me" behavior.


I think everyone is entitled to their opinions and feelings on any subject, and unlike some on this thread, I don't think having a less popular opinion makes you an asshole. It really doesn't matter to me if people disagree with me.

To answer your question: I've been sad and hurt and unhappy at many times in my life, and gone through horribly painful experiences just like anyone else. But I've honestly never been in a position where I seriously felt ending it was a solution. Maybe I'm in the minority here but I can only speak for my own experiences.

There are always personal circumstances that are tragic and terrible and if you knew me well, you'd know I do empathize with anyone that is hurting. For some, assisted suicide may be a totally different issue that falls in a different category. But that wasn't a topic this thread was covering at the time I first commented. However, I do think in the same way there is a reason we don't get to know what really happens after we die, maybe it should be out of our control and outside of our power to cross that line. It's nothing to do with any sort of religious belief or anything like that. What I do believe is that life and death are a mystery - and human life should be allowed to unfold as it's meant to without our own personal intervention. I hope that answers your question, and helps with your understanding my comments.

thank you. i understand a little better. it seems like you're against the idea of suicide in general, unrelated to whether or not people get to say goodbye.


Not at all. Due to all my medical issues I truly understand the need for a person having a say in how/when their life ends when it comes to that point. I would wish the people that love me have the compassion to pump a bunch of extra painkilers into me if I am at the end stage of my disease and death is inevitable within a short amount of time. I know my dad tried to hep my grandmother in just such a case when she was dying from pancreatic cancer. And yes, I get angry when someone I know kills themselves, but purely for selfish reasons, because I still want them around and hate that neither myself nor anyone else that loved that person was enough for them to hold on. I do understand why some choose that route, though, and can sit comfortably knowing their pain and suffering is no more.

and thank you for answering too <3

Tubesock Shakur
08-20-2012, 12:32 PM
Life is boring. Death is fun. I bet for at least half a second he said "wheeeeee!! " as he plummeted.

schoolofruckus
08-20-2012, 12:40 PM
I'm hoping we can segue from talk of the aborted Top Gun sequel into ThatGirl's views on pregnancy termination. Implication that others who hold different opinions "support it" or "believe in" it are welcome.

ThatGirl
08-20-2012, 12:42 PM
I'm hoping we can segue from talk of the aborted Top Gun sequel into ThatGirl's views on pregnancy termination. Implication that others who hold different opinions "support it" or "believe in" it are welcome.

I'm hoping we segue straight to the death of this thread. But not self-inflicted, of course.

JustSteve
08-20-2012, 12:47 PM
do you think you'd feel differently if you were single and childless? i'm not saying those are the only reasons to leave, but being a single childless person who thinks about suicide almost daily, i had to ask :) i also know you're MUCH more chronically ill than i am in that if i give up medical treatment i won't die, so i hope you don't mind me asking if the fact that death is so close makes it harder to want to give up? just curious being that we're in similar boats. i also have a history of suicide and childhood trauma, so i may be wired differently. either way, your strength contiually amazes me steve. i hope we get to meet someday <3

Not sure if it would have been easier to give in and end life single and without any kids. I would still have my parents, sister, and other family that I would leave behind. So, no, don't think I'd feel any differently. I just could never see myself ending my life suddenly in any situation.

The way I go through life is knowing I could get in a car accident and die any day, any time, or from some other freak accident. Same for all of us. My trick is to try and not dwell on the disease being the thing that's going to take me out because who the fuck knows what's coming next, haha. I definitely do have something to prove by staying alive as long as I can, the older I get the harder it is to stop fighting because I have been fighting for so long, why stop now, you know? It's just a routine now. There are days where I give up on the short term stuff, where I will call it a day around noon because I am just so exhausted or something. Giving up on the long term, though, just isn't in my makeup.

TomAz
08-20-2012, 12:53 PM
meant to

all you need to know right there.

Mr. Fuzz
08-20-2012, 01:00 PM
Have you never been so in the grip of despair that killing yourself seemed like the most reasonable action? I think it's fucked that he did this, especially since he had a couple of kids, but I can empathize with being despondent enough to think about committing suicide in the first place, much less going through with it.

No and there is no way of knowing that everyone who kills themslves is in the grip of despair. If you're able to empathize with the thought of suicide being a reasonable action, then you should seek help.


i'm really not trying to be rude and i like you and don't think you're an asshole at all :)

i sincerely want to know if committing suicide has EVER crossed your mind. i'm not saying you had to have a plan, but just thought about it like i do when i'm sick (i have no plan, but it crosses my mind daily). i guess what i'm saying is i find it astounding that someone could go their entire life without thinking it might be easier just to throw in the towel. also, do you ever think there would be a situation where suicide makes sense? are you for assisted suicide? is the concern merely that loved ones don't get a say in the decision or do not get to say goodbye? just trying to understand :)

Your feelings sound like they will surface one day and you should seek help too. Daily thoughts of suicide are not normal.

Tubesock Shakur
08-20-2012, 01:02 PM
What about accidental humorous suicide? I think about funny ways to die every 3 hours.

malcolmjamalawesome
08-20-2012, 01:02 PM
No and there is no way of knowing that everyone who kills themslves is in the grip of despair. If you're able to empathize with the thought of suicide being a reasonable action, then you should seek help.



Your feelings sound like they will surface one day and you should seek help too. Daily thoughts of suicide are not normal.

More like "Dr. Fuzz" amirite

chairmenmeow47
08-20-2012, 01:11 PM
Your feelings sound like they will surface one day and you should seek help too. Daily thoughts of suicide are not normal.

thank you, but i have a whole team of people at the mayo clinic who are helping me so i'm on the right path :)

Yablonowitz
08-20-2012, 01:16 PM
No and there is no way of knowing that everyone who kills themslves is in the grip of despair. If you're able to empathize with the thought of suicide being a reasonable action, then you should seek help.



Your feelings sound like they will surface one day and you should seek help too. Daily thoughts of suicide are not normal.

Are you Dr. Phil's bastard?

Yablonowitz
08-20-2012, 01:17 PM
Yablo!

Who the fuck are you?

Mr. Fuzz
08-20-2012, 01:19 PM
The topic is very interesting to me. At what point does suicide become an inevitable reality; is it once you start "toying" with the idea in your head; is it after several failed attempts; or is it only real once the act has been committed?

suprefan
08-20-2012, 01:21 PM
I'm hoping we segue straight to the death of this thread. But not self-inflicted, of course.

Kill yourself, hoser.

PotVsKtl
08-20-2012, 01:22 PM
What.

malcolmjamalawesome
08-20-2012, 01:22 PM
The topic is very interesting to me. At what point does suicide become an inevitable reality; is it once you start "toying" with the idea in your head; is it after several failed attempts; or is it only real once the act has been committed.

Fascinating.

ThatGirl
08-20-2012, 01:23 PM
Kill yourself, hoser.

I was wondering when you'd rear your ugly head.

Mr. Fuzz
08-20-2012, 01:24 PM
Kill yourself, hoser.

This would be funnier if it were directed at chairmen...

ThatGirl
08-20-2012, 01:28 PM
This would be funnier if it were directed at chairmen...

The Canadian reference might deem it less appropriate but it still wouldn't make it funny.

Yablonowitz
08-20-2012, 01:28 PM
The topic is very interesting to me. At what point does suicide become an inevitable reality; is it once you start "toying" with the idea in your head; is it after several failed attempts; or is it only real once the act has been committed?

I'm trying to figure out the world you must live in and am coming up blank.

Yablonowitz
08-20-2012, 01:29 PM
The Canadian reference might deem it less appropriate but it still wouldn't make it funny.

Oh my god. Why? Why are you?

TomAz
08-20-2012, 01:30 PM
Mr Fuzz lives in Slippery Slope.

captncrzy
08-20-2012, 01:33 PM
I read that as "Slippery Dope"

Mr. Fuzz
08-20-2012, 01:34 PM
I'm trying to figure out the world you must live in and am coming up blank.

It's absolutely absurd to think that every single person has contemplated suicide.

Yablonowitz
08-20-2012, 01:37 PM
It's absolutely absurd to think that every single person has contemplated suicide.

Bye everyone. Good to see you again.

TomAz
08-20-2012, 01:39 PM
It's absolutely absurd to think that every single person has contemplated suicide.

that's a far cry from admitting the possibility that contemplating suicide 'inevitably' leads to doing it.

Tubesock Shakur
08-20-2012, 01:41 PM
Bye everyone. Good to see you again.

You are going to kill yourself?

Finally.

HotHamWater
08-20-2012, 02:00 PM
Who the fuck are you?

Just a long-time fan.

schoolofruckus
08-20-2012, 02:08 PM
I think in the same way there is a reason we don't get to know what really happens after we stop posting on the board, maybe it should be out of Yablonowitz's control and outside of his power to cross that line. It's nothing to do with any sort of religious belief or anything like that. What I do believe is that the internet is a mystery - and human presence on it should be allowed to unfold as it's meant to without our own personal intervention.

Tubesock Shakur
08-20-2012, 04:42 PM
He was going to re-make The Warriors? Bullet dodged.

fatbastard
08-20-2012, 04:46 PM
People weren't as passionate when goose died.

SoulDischarge
08-20-2012, 06:56 PM
However, I do think in the same way there is a reason we don't get to know what really happens after we die, maybe it should be out of our control and outside of our power to cross that line.

When will you people learn and stop trying to play God by making decisions about your own life? You can keep your penicillin and your medical procedures and your careers and and your families; I'll stick to what nature intended: laying as catatonic as a lobotomized pebble as the ebb of time washes over me.

suprefan
08-20-2012, 07:04 PM
I was wondering when you'd rear your ugly head.

It's my fucking thread. When did I ever leave. I'm just watching you trying to play God, eh?

ThatGirl
08-20-2012, 07:28 PM
When will you people learn and stop trying to play God by making decisions about your own life? You can keep your penicillin and your medical procedures and your careers and and your families; I'll stick to what nature intended: laying as catatonic as a lobotomized pebble as the ebb of time washes over me.

Life decisions vs. death decisions. Not the same thing really.

RotationSlimWang
08-20-2012, 07:33 PM
Suicide is literally the only inalienable right born unto humanity. It's the one thing we all get the option of deciding for ourselves, of having control over. To say that it's a universal ill is, frankly, disrespectful to the magical phenomenon that is self-awareness.

ThatGirl
08-20-2012, 07:43 PM
Suicide is literally the only inalienable right born unto humanity. It's the one thing we all get the option of deciding for ourselves, of having control over. To say that it's a universal ill is, frankly, disrespectful to the magical phenomenon that is self-awareness.

If you think that taking your own life is the only thing you have control over or the only thing you have an absolute right to, as a person, it's terribly sad.

Hannahrain
08-20-2012, 07:45 PM
I mean I guess you could take your own parts one by one. You have the right to negate your limbs and digits, too.

RotationSlimWang
08-20-2012, 07:48 PM
I submit to you that it's an undeniable truth. You can be forced into living all manners of ways that are not how you want to live. It is our only inalienable right in that the other things we think of as "rights" can be taken from us at any moment. If you lived in Iran, for example, you wouldn't have the right to do all kinds of shit. If you did some of that shit, they might kill you. Which just goes to show--even in a world where you're brutally oppressed, the one freedom you can almost always take advantage of is the freedom to die.

Miroir Noir
08-20-2012, 07:48 PM
If you think that taking your own life is the only thing you have control over or the only thing you have an absolute right to, as a person, it's terribly sad.

No, it's not sad, it is the only thing that makes us truly free and responsible.

chairmenmeow47
08-20-2012, 07:49 PM
this is why people go on hunger strikes and burn themselves in protest. at some point, it does become the one thing you can easily control.

RotationSlimWang
08-20-2012, 07:54 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpjjctE6c41qjlxlwo1_500.jpg

ThatGirl
08-20-2012, 08:22 PM
this is why people go on hunger strikes and burn themselves in protest. at some point, it does become the one thing you can easily control.

Do you think the ultimate intent is death in these situations?

RotationSlimWang
08-20-2012, 08:33 PM
... is the ultimate intent of self-immolation death? yeah.

ThatGirl
08-21-2012, 08:06 AM
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20622654,00.html
Guess the initial reports of the circumstances were incorrect.

Tubesock Shakur
08-21-2012, 08:11 AM
If its in people magazine it must be true.

ThatGirl
08-21-2012, 08:14 AM
The same story is running in the major news publications as well.

chairmenmeow47
08-21-2012, 08:26 AM
it may not be true, but also the family may not have known. my family doesn't know my entire medical history. i waited to tell them i might have cancer until a week before the surgery. i'll wait until we get a coroner's report to know for sure.

RotationSlimWang
08-21-2012, 08:40 AM
I like how desperately ThatGirl is trying to clutch and crawl back to a defense of her ludicrous position.

PotVsKtl
08-21-2012, 08:47 AM
Can we talk about Days of Thunder yet?

TomAz
08-21-2012, 08:49 AM
Days of Thunder: less tedious than this thread.

chairmenmeow47
08-21-2012, 09:13 AM
i think i have a days of thunder jacket at my parent's house from when my grandpa was a driver for the movies. maybe now i can wear it in an ironic hipster way.

/coolstorybro

Drinkey McDrinkerstein
08-21-2012, 09:15 AM
I am a genuine fan of Days Of Thunder. it is incredibly dumb, but it's a blast. I like young, angst-ridden Tom Cruise.

ThatGirl
08-21-2012, 10:34 AM
I like how desperately ThatGirl is trying to clutch and crawl back to a defense of her ludicrous position.

Just getting the thread back to its original topic.

amyzzz
08-21-2012, 11:05 AM
this is why people go on hunger strikes and burn themselves in protest. at some point, it does become the one thing you can easily control.I watched Hunger this past weekend. What a wonderful, horrible movie. And Michael Fassbender. Ok, I am super off-topic. Sorry.

PotVsKtl
08-21-2012, 11:29 AM
Put a gun in your mouth and shoot yourself upwards through the top of your skull.

Drinkey McDrinkerstein
08-21-2012, 11:52 AM
I feel like you can talk about anything you want after 6 pages of arguing about whether or not it's okay to commit suicide.

PotVsKtl
08-21-2012, 11:53 AM
Not if it's fucking stupid and pointless and just another example of amyzz vomiting random words onto the interwebs in an attempt to feel better about her empty life.

amyzzz
08-21-2012, 12:01 PM
Sorry that my empty life offends you.

TomAz
08-21-2012, 12:07 PM
Deconstructing Modernism: The constructivist paradigm of discourse, socialist realism and rationalism

John Prinn
Department of Literature, Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Helmut W. Hanfkopf
Department of Politics, University of Oregon



1. Realities of dialectic

“Class is part of the failure of sexuality,” says Bataille. It could be said that Debord promotes the use of Sontagist camp to modify consciousness.

Marxist class holds that academe is capable of truth, given that art is distinct from narrativity. In a sense, Baudrillard uses the term ‘socialist realism’ to denote the difference between sexual identity and class.

The dialectic of Marxist class which is a central theme of Spelling’s Models, Inc. is also evident in The Heights, although in a more self-supporting sense. Therefore, the primary theme of Dietrich’s[1] analysis of Sontagist camp is the failure, and eventually the futility, of precultural sexual identity.

Bataille suggests the use of Marxist class to deconstruct hierarchy. In a sense, if Sontagist camp holds, we have to choose between socialist realism and the capitalist paradigm of discourse.

2. Spelling and Sontagist camp

In the works of Spelling, a predominant concept is the distinction between opening and closing. The subject is interpolated into a postconceptual dialectic theory that includes reality as a reality. It could be said that Long[2] implies that we have to choose between socialist realism and dialectic nihilism.

The main theme of the works of Spelling is not deappropriation, but postdeappropriation. Lacan uses the term ‘Sontagist camp’ to denote the role of the participant as poet. But the subject is contextualised into a socialist realism that includes sexuality as a paradox.

In Charmed, Spelling denies the neocapitalist paradigm of narrative; in Robin’s Hoods, although, he analyses Marxist class. However, the primary theme of Hubbard’s[3] model of Marxist socialism is a subtextual whole.

If Sontagist camp holds, we have to choose between Marxist class and cultural libertarianism. Therefore, the premise of Sontagist camp holds that reality is created by the collective unconscious.

The subject is interpolated into a socialist realism that includes language as a reality. But Sontag uses the term ‘postcapitalist destructuralism’ to denote the common ground between class and art.

Sontagist camp states that sexuality is fundamentally meaningless. Therefore, Sartre uses the term ‘socialist realism’ to denote the meaninglessness, and some would say the rubicon, of cultural class.

3. The predialectic paradigm of narrative and modern appropriation

In the works of Spelling, a predominant concept is the concept of neocapitalist reality. Reicher[4] implies that we have to choose between Marxist class and Batailleist `powerful communication’. Thus, any number of discourses concerning not narrative, but subnarrative may be revealed.

“Truth is elitist,” says Baudrillard. Lacan uses the term ‘modern appropriation’ to denote the role of the reader as writer. In a sense, Derrida promotes the use of textual postdialectic theory to analyse and modify sexual identity.

“Art is part of the failure of culture,” says Foucault; however, according to d’Erlette[5] , it is not so much art that is part of the failure of culture, but rather the defining characteristic, and eventually the genre, of art. An abundance of theories concerning socialist realism exist. Therefore, Baudrillard uses the term ‘modern appropriation’ to denote a mythopoetical totality.

In the works of Spelling, a predominant concept is the distinction between creation and destruction. Derrida suggests the use of socialist realism to challenge capitalism. However, the premise of modern appropriation suggests that sexual identity has intrinsic meaning.

“Narrativity is intrinsically dead,” says Baudrillard; however, according to Reicher[6] , it is not so much narrativity that is intrinsically dead, but rather the stasis, and some would say the defining characteristic, of narrativity. Many discourses concerning the genre, and therefore the paradigm, of neotextual class may be found. In a sense, the subject is contextualised into a Marxist class that includes art as a paradox.

“Society is part of the genre of language,” says Foucault. The characteristic theme of the works of Spelling is not, in fact, narrative, but subnarrative. However, Sontag promotes the use of socialist realism to analyse culture.

The primary theme of McElwaine’s[7] essay on modern appropriation is the role of the artist as poet. An abundance of situationisms concerning materialist theory exist. It could be said that the main theme of the works of Fellini is the dialectic, and some would say the defining characteristic, of pretextual class.

If one examines modern appropriation, one is faced with a choice: either reject socialist realism or conclude that the collective is elitist, but only if Foucault’s analysis of Marxist class is invalid; if that is not the case, Derrida’s model of socialist realism is one of “the dialectic paradigm of narrative”, and thus part of the dialectic of art. Baudrillard suggests the use of Marxist class to deconstruct hierarchy. Thus, the premise of neoconstructivist discourse implies that the raison d’etre of the writer is deconstruction.

Foucault uses the term ‘Marxist class’ to denote not narrative per se, but subnarrative. Therefore, several demodernisms concerning the role of the observer as writer may be revealed.

Socialist realism states that sexual identity, ironically, has objective value, given that consciousness is interchangeable with truth. But if dialectic narrative holds, we have to choose between modern appropriation and Sontagist camp.

An abundance of sublimations concerning socialist realism exist. It could be said that Buxton[8] holds that we have to choose between modern appropriation and subtextual desituationism.

The premise of socialist realism implies that consensus is a product of the masses. Therefore, the characteristic theme of Finnis’s[9] essay on modern appropriation is the rubicon, and therefore the genre, of modern sexuality.

The subject is interpolated into a Marxist class that includes consciousness as a whole. It could be said that Lyotard’s model of the prematerialist paradigm of context holds that language is impossible.

The main theme of the works of Fellini is not narrative, but postnarrative. Thus, the subject is contextualised into a socialist realism that includes consciousness as a totality.

A number of discourses concerning the stasis, and some would say the dialectic, of textual class may be discovered. It could be said that the premise of modern appropriation states that sexual identity has intrinsic meaning.

The subject is interpolated into a socialist realism that includes reality as a paradox. However, Sontag uses the term ‘Marxist class’ to denote the role of the observer as participant.

The characteristic theme of Long’s[10] essay on socialist realism is the meaninglessness, and eventually the paradigm, of preconceptual class. In a sense, an abundance of theories concerning modern appropriation exist.

amyzzz
08-21-2012, 12:11 PM
I could mention that I recently re-watched Top Gun and marvelled at how awful it was. And Tom Cruise's trademark million watt smile is so damn creepy.

Drinkey McDrinkerstein
08-21-2012, 01:31 PM
I watched it about a year ago for probably the first time in 15 years and i found it hilarious just how many times "take My Breath Away" gets played during it.

amyzzz
08-21-2012, 01:34 PM
I have to admit I was watching it with the Rifftrax added to it.

stinkbutt
08-21-2012, 01:55 PM
worse than fryday of 08

Mr. Fuzz
08-21-2012, 01:58 PM
http://youtu.be/_MW6eGykrKI

AlecEiffel
08-21-2012, 02:06 PM
I watched it about a year ago for probably the first time in 15 years and i found it hilarious just how many times "take My Breath Away" gets played during it.

It plays continuously for about half an hour at one point.

algunz
08-21-2012, 02:25 PM
Wy can't Tom Cruise die?

stinkbutt
08-21-2012, 02:28 PM
thetans

Drinkey McDrinkerstein
08-21-2012, 02:34 PM
The 4th Mission Impossible movie was fucking awesome. I enjoy watching him jump around and hit people in the face and scream and grimace a lot..