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sacleonard
01-22-2007, 10:48 PM
I searched for this elsewhere, so hopefully this post isn't redundant. However, Willie Nelson's placement near the top of the bill seems out of place to me (sorry Willie fans!). Yes, I understand that he may be playing both festivals, but I have to wonder if he is really serving as a placeholder for another (yet-to-be-announced) artist. Any thoughts?

ayates
01-22-2007, 10:51 PM
Good point. It does seem odd to be playing both festivals and to be billed so high at Coachella and headlining Stagecoach. GV has been known to play a hoax in the past...*ahem*...

dizfactor
01-22-2007, 10:52 PM
I don't see any reason to believe it's not for real. I'm assuming he will be closing out the second stage on Sunday night, which should be perfect.

Tylerdurden31
01-22-2007, 10:53 PM
Willie Nelson owns

sacleonard
01-22-2007, 10:55 PM
Uhh, assuming he is playing, they aren't even playing the same day. What are you blathering about?

Exactly. In fact, it will be even worse... getting blown out by Rage Against The Machine. The only way I see that one playing out would be if Rage played early (until 11pm), and then Willie had the 11-midnight slot (very unlikely).

If he plays, I think that it will be an earlier slot on one of the two stages.

MrAmeche
01-22-2007, 10:55 PM
I'm assuming he will be closing out the second stage on Sunday night, which should be perfect.
Except that he'll get blown out by the RHCPs, like Interpol did in '03

sacleonard
01-22-2007, 10:57 PM
Somehow I went back in time... strange.

ayates
01-22-2007, 10:58 PM
Except that he'll get blown out by the RHCPs, like Interpol did in '03

Uhh, assuming he is playing, they aren't even playing the same day. What are you blathering about?

dizfactor
01-22-2007, 11:02 PM
Exactly. In fact, it will be even worse... getting blown out by Rage Against The Machine.

I think they try to counter-program the headliners with people drawing from very different fanbases and crowds. I think that RATM and Willie Nelson would have very little overlap, and would have totally different moods. People who don't want to bust heads in the pit for Rage can chill out at the second stage with Willie. That's not "being blown out," that's just smart booking.

ayates
01-22-2007, 11:05 PM
I think they try to counter-program the headliners with people drawing from very different fanbases and crowds. I think that RATM and Willie Nelson would have very little overlap, and would have totally different moods. People who don't want to bust heads in the pit for Rage can chill out at the second stage with Willie. That's not "being blown out," that's just smart booking.

That would make sense much like last year. They had Tool and the Scissor Sisters play at the same time. Two TOTALLY different fan bases. I hadn't thought about the decoy factor until just now and while it might serve to be bogus I'll remain a skeptic because that's my nature with these festival lineups.

MrAmeche
01-22-2007, 11:06 PM
That's not "being blown out," that's just smart booking.
I'm not saying it isn't smart to have him go up against Rage (yes, not RHCP as I misstated before). I'm just saying if he does he'll get blown out by the music from the main stage. A louder electric rock or hip-hop act would stand a better chance, judging from my previous Coachella experiences.

noisemachine
01-22-2007, 11:08 PM
I wanna see Willie, but Im probably gonna go to Stagecoach, so I'll catch him there. As for the placeholder theory...interesting. I doubt it, but would be cool. Would still love to see Portishead stuck in there.

dizfactor
01-22-2007, 11:11 PM
I'm not saying it isn't smart to have him go up against Rage (yes, not RHCP as I misstated before). I'm just saying if he does he'll get blown out by the music from the main stage. A louder electric rock or hip-hop act would stand a better chance, judging from my previous Coachella experiences.

Really? I've never had a problem with that. I've been at the second stage with some awfully loud headliners on the main stage and I've never had any problems hearing. I've always been kind of amazed at how well the sound systems are set up that I feel like each stage is a sonic world of its own, no matter who's playing next door.

microcuts
01-22-2007, 11:12 PM
I don't think GV has never put a "placeholder" on a poster before. That sounds kind of shady, honestly. But then again they deliberately fooled people into thinking The Police were playing this year, so I guess anything's possible.

microcuts
01-22-2007, 11:15 PM
Really? I've never had a problem with that. I've been at the second stage with some awfully loud headliners on the main stage and I've never had any problems hearing. I've always been kind of amazed at how well the sound systems are set up that I feel like each stage is a sonic world of its own, no matter who's playing next door.

It all depends on where you are situated, of course. If you're on the edge of the mainstage area, you could very well get some 2nd stage bleeding through, and vice versa. I think MF Doom was clearly audible during the sheer quietness of Radiohead's 'Exit Music for a film' in 2004.

MrAmeche
01-22-2007, 11:16 PM
I feel like each stage is a sonic world of its own, no matter who's playing next door.
I could literally make out RHCP lyrics during Interpol in 2003, and I've noted a fair amount of soundbleed from the Sahara tent into whichever tent is adjacent. But overall, I will say Coachella does a better job with this than other festivals I've been to.

ayates
01-22-2007, 11:16 PM
I don't think GV has never put a "placeholder" on a poster before. That sounds kind of shady, honestly. But then again they deliberately fooled people into thinking The Police were playing this year, so I guess anything's possible.

This is true, but maybe Willie will forget to file his taxes and will be unavailable for April 29th. In any event, it is an interesting theory as to why GV would book him for two shows in consecutive weeks. That's pretty weak and strange at the same time.

sacleonard
01-22-2007, 11:24 PM
I'm not saying it isn't smart to have him go up against Rage (yes, not RHCP as I misstated before). I'm just saying if he does he'll get blown out by the music from the main stage. A louder electric rock or hip-hop act would stand a better chance, judging from my previous Coachella experiences.

That was my point... not who's better, but that Rage will over-shadow his set from across the lawn.

conzertfreek
01-22-2007, 11:27 PM
I wanna see Willie, but Im probably gonna go to Stagecoach, so I'll catch him there. As for the placeholder theory...interesting. I doubt it, but would be cool. Would still love to see Portishead stuck in there.

I would love it if they added PORTISHEAD!!!

NoneForMeThanks
01-22-2007, 11:33 PM
Really? I've never had a problem with that. I've been at the second stage with some awfully loud headliners on the main stage and I've never had any problems hearing.

Belle & Sebastian vs. Foo Fighters

It all just depends on how the wind is blowing and which song each artist is playing at the time.

suprefan
01-22-2007, 11:33 PM
Potishead on day 1, thats the only day that has a lot of room to add bands....

dizfactor
01-22-2007, 11:36 PM
In any event, it is an interesting theory as to why GV would book him for two shows in consecutive weeks.

Well, look at Johnny Cash. He sold a metric fuckton of albums when he was repackaged in such a way as to reintroduce him to a Coachella sort of audience. Maybe Willie wants a chance to expose his work to that same audience, and since he's playing in the area the next week anyway...

microcuts
01-22-2007, 11:39 PM
Bands
Friday - 33
Saturday - 41
Sunday - 38

looks like Friday and Sunday will have some more additions. Saturday's probably all set.

sacleonard
01-23-2007, 07:23 AM
Bands
Friday - 33
Saturday - 41
Sunday - 38

looks like Friday and Sunday will have some more additions. Saturday's probably all set.

That's a great point. Willie or Willie-free, I don't think that we're done yet.

ayates
01-23-2007, 07:27 AM
Bands
Friday - 33
Saturday - 41
Sunday - 38

looks like Friday and Sunday will have some more additions. Saturday's probably all set.

No, RHCP has to die in a fire, be replaced and then we'll be all set.

ciaoq
01-23-2007, 07:34 AM
willie nelson is a terrible addition in my opinion. he no longer cares about his live shows and he just looks so wrong on the line up.

shotglass75
01-23-2007, 07:37 AM
Yeah, but he gets the best pot and has history so let him play. I remember reading somewhere that The Secret Machines saw him live at Austin City Limits and they said he was absolutly amazing. What do we know of his live shows anyways? Give the hick a chance I say!!!

ciaoq
01-23-2007, 07:39 AM
my parents saw him last saturday and said he was crap. he also got one of the worst write ups in the paper i have ever seen

chunk
01-23-2007, 08:28 AM
my parents saw him last saturday and said he was crap. he also got one of the worst write ups in the paper i have ever seen

your parents? well then, that just seals the deal. we all know how hip your parents are. they go to willie nelson shows.

brenda
01-23-2007, 08:34 AM
willie nelson is hella old! how would that make parents hip?
if your blazed out with him.. he probly wouldnt be "crap"
:)

chunk
01-23-2007, 08:43 AM
i suppose im not too good at being sarcastic in writing.

to rephrase, if her parents thought he was good, then he probably wasnt. if they think he was horrible, then maybe we should reconsider.

chunk
01-23-2007, 08:58 AM
i dont know what your parents are like, but mine have been going to concerts all their lives and i would consider them very clued in. and besides, being entertaining transcends ages - everyone can tell if someone is shit or not. im just saying im not going, thats all. but im sure you will be in the front row of him, and more luck to you. i hope you enjoy him.

the only reason i might be in the front row of him is because of your parents. thanks alot.

ciaoq
01-23-2007, 08:59 AM
i dont know what your parents are like, but mine have been going to concerts all their lives and i would consider them very clued in. and besides, being entertaining transcends ages - everyone can tell if someone is shit or not. im just saying im not going, thats all. but im sure you will be in the front row of him, and more luck to you. i hope you enjoy him.

bigc1
01-23-2007, 09:00 AM
i dont think sunday can handle anymore artists, especially in the catagory of coheadliners unless Happy Mondays cancel. plus i dont see why all the hating on willie.

york707
01-23-2007, 09:03 AM
When I saw WIllie and Dylan a few years ago, Willie blew away Dylan. I think Willie makes perfect sense.

As for being a placeholder, I think of all the second-liners, the Arctic Monkeys would be the placeholders, not Willie.

whooser
01-23-2007, 09:59 AM
I hope RAGE and Willie play at the same time, if thats what you want to call it. RAGE will probably come out whining about something like they usually do.

arzynik
01-23-2007, 10:32 AM
look at the dates for coachella and stagecoach. now explain to me why he cant be at BOTH SHOWS? there at the same damn place at different dates.

amyzzz
01-23-2007, 10:41 AM
I think they need to move some bands from Saturday to other days. And then add a decent act Saturday, either Portishead or a solid DJ/Dance act.

chunk
01-23-2007, 10:47 AM
I think they need to move some bands from Saturday to other days. And then add a decent act Saturday, either Portishead or a solid DJ/Dance act.

arcade fire, the rapture, !!!, lcd soundsystem, new pornographers, black keys are all good acts. w/rhcp sucking the suck away from me, saturday looks perfect. dont touch anything.

jamesc2929
01-23-2007, 03:32 PM
Yeah, but he gets the best pot and has history so let him play. I remember reading somewhere that The Secret Machines saw him live at Austin City Limits and they said he was absolutly amazing. What do we know of his live shows anyways? Give the hick a chance I say!!!

I was involved with booking him as part of a summer series, and while he was the nicest performer of the summer to deal with, his stage show was boring, and he couln't sing a lick, or play all that well. And while I have respect for him, this just seems like a strange Coachella match.

RockStr4Life
01-23-2007, 03:41 PM
I hope Willie Nelson comes out and plays with Rage...and then they light up a joint.

sacleonard
01-23-2007, 06:58 PM
And while I have respect for him, this just seems like a strange Coachella match.

My thoughts exactly... time will tell.

ayates
01-23-2007, 08:58 PM
Every time I see this thread I want to punch the author in the neck. How dare you call him a placeholder. Ingrates.

It appears he was a placeholder for PVD at least for a day or so.

devachan
01-23-2007, 08:59 PM
Every time I see this thread I want to punch the author in the neck. How dare you call him a placeholder. Ingrates.

sacleonard
01-23-2007, 09:38 PM
Every time I see this thread I want to punch the author in the neck. How dare you call him a placeholder. Ingrates.

If it quacks like a duck...
BTW, thanks for the new signature.

superfiction
01-23-2007, 09:48 PM
i think he just wants a free ticket to see rage

Carlo Von Sexron
01-24-2007, 01:46 AM
Willie Nelson owns

Exactly.

instinct
01-24-2007, 01:51 AM
Did anyone notice he switched places on the flyer with Paul Van Dyke?? He is no longer on the second row..

God.. PVD plays all the fucking time.. Let's get Sasha and Digweed.

TomAz
01-24-2007, 02:11 AM
I don't think GV has never put a "placeholder" on a poster before. That sounds kind of shady, honestly. But then again they deliberately fooled people into thinking The Police were playing this year, so I guess anything's possible.

"Kinda" shady? if GV knowingly placed an artist on a poster that they knew wasn't going to perform, that would be fraud. not "kinda fraudulent" but rather actual fraud as defined by law. GV would never do that.

TomAz
01-24-2007, 02:14 AM
Every time I see this thread I want to punch the author in the neck. How dare you call him a placeholder. Ingrates.

you go girl