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TomAz
11-30-2011, 01:06 PM
you have to be a member of AARP to be any good.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists-20111123

pancakespancakes
11-30-2011, 01:08 PM
Thurston should have campaigned harder for Sonny Sharrock.

pancakespancakes
11-30-2011, 01:09 PM
But it's a good thing they asked Marnie Stern to vote.

Drinkey McDrinkerstein
11-30-2011, 01:09 PM
Holy shit this page by page bullshit for lists has got to stop

bmack86
11-30-2011, 01:18 PM
Yeah, it's annoying as hell.

I mean, at least they're recognizing people who aren't flashy or soloists. It was nice to see Johnny Marr and Peter Buck and Thurston.

What are some young guitar players that should be on this list? I'd include Isaac Brock (that guy has such a way with writing simple yet incredibly memorable guitar melodies), Kurt Vile and maybe Jamey Johnson.

TallGuyCM
11-30-2011, 01:28 PM
He is definitely flashy and a soloist, but Matt Bellamy is an incredible guitar player.

Sleepingrock
11-30-2011, 01:41 PM
Are you saying that Thom Yorke lied to me?

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Spooks
11-30-2011, 01:49 PM
Lack of Omar Rodriguez Lopez renders this list irrelevant. Why would anyone give a fuck what Rolling Stone thought?

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jeffp1717
11-30-2011, 02:05 PM
^ What's really important is did they include Frusciante? (I am way too lazy to actually click through all of those pages.)

TomAz
11-30-2011, 02:47 PM
I mean, at least they're recognizing people who aren't flashy or soloists. It was nice to see Johnny Marr and Peter Buck and Thurston.


See I'd have Thurston in my top 20. Maybe top 10. Not wedged in between Linday Buckingham and Alex Lifeson at #99.

I mean they've got Jeff Beck at #5. Yes Beck is incredibly technically skillful. But he makes shitty rock n roll and shitty jazz fusion and shitty shit shit. He's a decent player but a shitty artist. He doesn't make my top 100. But he's on Rolling Stone's list because they made him part their canon 40 years ago and like an infallable papacy can't admit old mistakes.

And, sorry, I like Eric Clapton ok on some stuff, but mostly he's boring.

I'll take Hendrix, Richards, and Townshend in their top 10 and that's it.

bmack86
11-30-2011, 02:51 PM
Oh, I totally agree with that. And I'd keep the same 3 from the top 10. But lists like these focus on those technical guys so much, which is what really annoys me. It was great to see people like Link Wray and John Fahey included. I would have had Steve Cropper, Robert White and Joe Messina way up on my list (Cropper definitely top 10).

Oh, and yeah, Clapton was almost always incredibly boring.

bobert
11-30-2011, 02:55 PM
Hard to believe they snubbed Nick Jonas.

bmack86
11-30-2011, 03:00 PM
More realistically, pretty unforgivable to leave off Michael Karoli, Manuel Gottsching and Michael Rother. Tim Gane too.

bobert
11-30-2011, 03:06 PM
George Harrison's absence from the top-10 is unforgivable.

TomAz
11-30-2011, 03:11 PM
And you know it's not just that they revere old guys. It's that they revere the wrong old guys. They've got Neil Young down at #83. He might be my all time favorite guitar player.

shotglass75
11-30-2011, 03:24 PM
I think Jack White is one of the only ones on the list under 40. Correct? Nice to see Jim James got a mention in the sidebar in the magazine though.

Drinkey McDrinkerstein
11-30-2011, 03:41 PM
George Harrison's absence from the top-10 is unforgivable.

That was extremely surprising to me, especially on a list of old guys.

tigermilkboy
11-30-2011, 04:07 PM
A very lazy list which is expected from a lazy music mag like Rolling Stone.
During the next month they can roll out more lists of best albums and songs of 2011.

A quick look in to the future issues for Rolling Stone in 2012, means we can look forward to 35th anniversary issue of Elvis Presley's death, a 70th birthday special on Paul McCartney, a 50th anniversary of the Rolling Stones.

bmack86
11-30-2011, 04:48 PM
And you know it's not just that they revere old guys. It's that they revere the wrong old guys. They've got Neil Young down at #83. He might be my all time favorite guitar player.

Neil would be top 10 material for me, and Tom Verlaine, who is probably my #1, is sitting all the way at #90.

obzen
11-30-2011, 04:51 PM
I see there is not a single list that Rolling Stone can compile (I'm sure they gave the 'voters' a prerequisite list to choose from) without riding Jack White's jock -- he is not a fucking blues legend and he did not rescue guitar rock by any stretch of the imagination, ugh... what a bore.


I nominate Wayne Krantz in his stead.

bmack86
11-30-2011, 04:52 PM
Jon Spencer.

wstsidela
11-30-2011, 05:07 PM
And you know it's not just that they revere old guys. It's that they revere the wrong old guys. They've got Neil Young down at #83. He might be my all time favorite guitar player.

Ditto

obzen
11-30-2011, 05:16 PM
Just to clarify, I didn't nominate Krantz on the merits of being a blues/rock guitarist -- which he is not.

PassiveTheory
11-30-2011, 06:01 PM
Okay so let's talk about younger guitarists then. I'd nominate Nick Reinhart, Dave Longstreth, Kurt Vile, Matthew Mondanile, Skyler Skjelset and Bradford Cox, as top of the "recent 5-10 years or so" class.

PassiveTheory
11-30-2011, 06:03 PM
Also, how the fuck Doug Martsch gets left off any greatest guitarists list astounds me.

TallGuyCM
11-30-2011, 06:17 PM
And you know it's not just that they revere old guys. It's that they revere the wrong old guys. They've got Neil Young down at #83. He might be my all time favorite guitar player.

I :pulse you for this.

Grandma
11-30-2011, 07:24 PM
I wouldn't give rolling stone the pleasure of even wiping my ass with their piece of shit excuse for a publication. Didn't these shitwits put Zappa in the 50's and give Duane Allman the #2 spot several years ago? Duane Fucking 'I wrote songs that cover bands play to death at arts & wine festivals' Allman? Fuck that southern-bred dinosaur and his 9 minute long sonic-jack-off workouts...

how...in...the...fuck...did...they...overlook...th is...


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Miroir Noir
11-30-2011, 07:28 PM
I've got Clapton's back for Cream, "While My Guitar Gently Weeps," and Layla and Assorted Love Songs. I also endorse Duane Allman. Agreed, Jeff Beck is boring. Also, RS's 2003 list of the same subject was even more ridiculous. They had Cobain at like #12 on that one.

Grandma
11-30-2011, 07:37 PM
Jeff Beck could play circles around both clapton and allman with a full set of broken fingers

Miroir Noir
11-30-2011, 08:00 PM
Biggest omission in my eyes is Kevin Shields.

Mugwog
11-30-2011, 08:45 PM
Rolling Stone hasn't been considered music journalism since '03

I have almost 10 years of issues, stopping subscription around 08/09, when I was going thru them recently I noticed the same or slightly different list over and over again. Not to mention now when you open a rolling stone you get up to 20 pages of advertisements before an actual article or sometimes even table of contents.

Miroir Noir
11-30-2011, 08:51 PM
To me, the moment I knew RS had lost it completely was in 2009 when they gave five stars to U2's No Line on the Horizon and Springsteen's Working on a Dream, and listed them as the top two albums of the year. I've loved both U2 and Bruce for as long as I've listened to music, but those were two profoundly mediocre to bad albums by both artists. It was a incredible misfire of critical judgment not because the world had passed them by (which it had), but because they couldn't even seriously evaluate the artists that they still did know something about.

ods..
11-30-2011, 09:10 PM
Motion to change the thread title to "Rolling Stone says they don't know shit".

bmack86
11-30-2011, 10:34 PM
That's a separate thread, though. They say it too often.

PassiveTheory
12-01-2011, 05:53 AM
Dave Davison from Maps & Atlases deserves to be in the conversation for best "younger" guitarists, too.

shotglass75
12-01-2011, 06:34 AM
If you are going to say Jack White shouldn't be on the list the same needs to be said of Kurt Cobain then. Yeah, he was who he was and he did what he did, but as a guitarist he wasn't some amazing player.

If Rolling Stone wanted to make a compelling list of guitarists that we haven't seen time and time again they should have made a Top 100 or 50 New Generation Guitarist list say starting from 1990 or something.

That gives me an idea

TomAz
12-01-2011, 06:44 AM
Rolling Stone hasn't been considered music journalism since '83



fixed.

JebusLives
12-01-2011, 07:20 AM
This list of course seriously sucks. Kurt Cobain? Really?

Where's Kevin Shields? Dave Navarro? John Squire? Why is Nels Cline near the bottom? Why isn't Prince #1? Who are all these irrelevant old fucks?

Spooks
12-01-2011, 07:34 AM
fixed.

Most of us weren't even born in 83.......but I bet the magazine was more interesting back then. The only music magazines I really been reading the past few years are from UK: Mojo, Uncut & Q.

greghead
12-01-2011, 07:45 AM
T-Bone Walker at 67 while Clapton is sitting at 2? Get the fuck outta here.

And didn't Rolling Stone already do the 100 most masturbatory guitarists list a few years ago?

TomAz
12-01-2011, 07:50 AM
Most of us weren't even born in 83.......but I bet the magazine was more interesting back then.

Not really, no.

JebusLives
12-01-2011, 08:58 AM
They've always been hilariously out of step. Panned everything by Zeppelin at the time, said Nirvana was "nothing new", etc.

Down Rodeo
12-01-2011, 01:50 PM
If they were going to include John McLaughlin, why not any other jazz guitarists? Grant Green? Wes Montgomery? I'm sure there are some other greats I've never listened to...

greghead
12-01-2011, 02:52 PM
To me, the moment I knew RS had lost it completely was in 2009 when they gave five stars to U2's No Line on the Horizon and Springsteen's Working on a Dream, and listed them as the top two albums of the year. I've loved both U2 and Bruce for as long as I've listened to music, but those were two profoundly mediocre to bad albums by both artists. It was a incredible misfire of critical judgment not because the world had passed them by (which it had), but because they couldn't even seriously evaluate the artists that they still did know something about.

Wenner and David Fricke are still absolutely obsessed with U2, Springsteen, and Mellencamp. I have no idea why, those guys haven't released a truly good records in years.