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Mcoppel
10-19-2011, 07:43 PM
With confirmed shows on June in Manchester, they probably do a Festival before there world tour... could they do Coachella 2012?

HEADLINER MATERIAL OR SUB HEADLINERS?

Bumblebee
10-19-2011, 08:38 PM
Best case scenario:

-Strong UK concert reviews
-good feedback on new material
-SR fever spreads over here

They get Strokes slot in April 2013.

They won't play Coachella in 6 months because they won't risk bad press from bad reviews and their management won't accept anything but headliners. GV admitted all headliner were booked by June 2011, 2 months before all 4 members rehearsed for the first time in August 2011.

Gribbz
10-19-2011, 08:41 PM
Stone Roses would get the Pavement slot most likely. Definitely not headliners (at least not in this country).

Mr. Porter
10-19-2011, 08:45 PM
Yeah they will most likely get The Verve treatment. But they will headline Glastonbury undoubtedly

Twattycakes
10-19-2011, 10:07 PM
I'm not even sure they would get Strokes slot. Maybe Interpol slot.

icedKeg
10-19-2011, 11:56 PM
PJ Harvey slot.

Twattycakes
10-20-2011, 01:47 AM
PJ Harvey slot.

This

CellarOwl
10-20-2011, 05:11 AM
Yeah they will most likely get The Verve treatment. But they will headline Glastonbury undoubtedly

Glastonbury's not happening in 2012.

I'dDoItAllAgain
10-20-2011, 09:08 AM
Who?

weezy f baby
10-20-2011, 09:16 AM
I think that...

I don't give a shit. I'll be at Sub Focus.

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Dede' Arneaux
10-21-2011, 02:35 PM
Yeah they will most likely get The Verve treatment. But they will headline Glastonbury undoubtedly

I'm not sure they will hold it together until 2013

Bumblebee
10-21-2011, 02:37 PM
I'm not sure they will hold it together until 2013

Plus Glasto only pays a fractin of of VFest and others will be offering.

Dede' Arneaux
10-21-2011, 02:48 PM
Plus Glasto only pays a fractin of of VFest and others will be offering.

They were booked to headline the Saturday of the 25th Glasto in 1995.
John Squire fell off his mountain bike, broke his collar bone and they cancelled.
If they dont implode at the end of the 2012 tour, I'd expect they'd headline Glasto 2013.

suprefan
10-21-2011, 03:01 PM
London Suede spot for 2012

Mr. Porter
10-21-2011, 04:36 PM
Ah thanks I totally forgot that Glasto will not happen next year.

Bumblebee
10-21-2011, 04:55 PM
London Suede spot for 2012

because playing to 2,000 festival goers in indio with international media months before hometown gigs to 220,000 is appealing.

Maybe April 2013 if there is a snowball effect of good press

Bumblebee
10-21-2011, 05:00 PM
They were booked to headline the Saturday of the 25th Glasto in 1995.
John Squire fell off his mountain bike, broke his collar bone and they cancelled.
If they dont implode at the end of the 2012 tour, I'd expect they'd headline Glasto 2013.

Their Glasto 1996 booking fee is much different than their 2013 fee. Wouldn't UK fans already had a chance to see them throughout 2012? plus I don't anticipate huge setlist variation unless they get into new stuff or Second Coming tracks.

GuyInTucson
10-21-2011, 05:07 PM
Sub-headliner, no question.

To anyone thinks they are worthy of a headliner spot: It's 2011, not 1989 and Coachella is in Indio, not Manchester. If they were atop the Coachella poster, there would be a lot of people in the 16-25 crowd that would collectively ask "Who the fuck are the Stone Roses?".... May sound crazy to many here but they are not big enough today in this part of the world to headline.

kroqken
10-21-2011, 05:09 PM
Sub-headliner, no question.

To anyone thinks they are worthy of a headliner spot: It's 2011, not 1989 and Coachella is in Indio, not Manchester. If they were atop the Coachella poster, there would be a lot of people in the 16-25 crowd that would collectively ask "Who the fuck are the Stone Roses?".... May sound crazy to many here but they are not big enough today in this part of the world to headline.

I agree, but I am sad that they would not headline. Maybe a reunited Ride could headline, with Black Tambourine as a sub.

concertgoer
10-21-2011, 05:19 PM
I don't even think they are big enough in the states to be a sub
PJ Harvey slot at best
Also I doubt that they will be playing in 2012, since it seems like their first gig back is the Manchester show in June

blackchango
10-21-2011, 05:34 PM
Tickets to the Manchester shows have already sold out guaranteeing ticket holders in England their chance to see them there. Would backlash and demands for refunds from ticket holders back in England prevent them from possibly playing a one off show at Coachella next year for a "decent" paycheck?

Gribbz
10-21-2011, 05:41 PM
I don't even think they are big enough in the states to be a sub
PJ Harvey slot at best
Also I doubt that they will be playing in 2012, since it seems like their first gig back is the Manchester show in June

Yeah, I don't know why this is so hard for some people to accept. The Stone Roses are not big in the United States.

I would love to see them at Coachella but I'm not holding my breath.

concertgoer
10-21-2011, 06:09 PM
Tickets to the Manchester shows have already sold out guaranteeing ticket holders in England their chance to see them there. Would backlash and demands for refunds from ticket holders back in England prevent them from possibly playing a one off show at Coachella next year for a "decent" paycheck?

Why would they though?
If I were them I would much rather play my first comeback show to a sold out crowd of over 60,000 as opposed to a half empty Mojave tent or Outdoor theatre

aguadulce
10-21-2011, 06:41 PM
There is NO way they would headline or even sub headline.
Tent would be way better for them.
If they played a show in LA right now they would be at the Wiltern
or Palladium so 2000 to 3500.

Premium Roast
10-21-2011, 06:44 PM
maybe being in the desert sun for two weeks, a chance to check out Southwest America without alot of timetables. John could use a tan.

Doesn't seem likely, but like Chango indicated, they already sold out Manchester so who knows. "It's not where you're from, it's where you're at". Plus, Brits could fly out to LA for it.

Think Goldenvoice is pretty much at the point of Coachella success where they can do anything they want with nearly any band they want. Roses may not accept, but an offer could be made. It's not etched in stone that Manchester must be the very first show. Sell em on it if necessary, get er done (or maybe it's already done).

JebusLives
10-21-2011, 06:49 PM
We're not getting them before their first UK gigs in June. Maybe 2013.

pachucasunrise
10-21-2011, 10:19 PM
There is NO way they would headline or even sub headline.
Tent would be way better for them.
If they played a show in LA right now they would be at the Wiltern
or Palladium so 2000 to 3500.

You kidding? People would fly in from all over, they'd have to do a huge string at those venues. If we nab them for 2012, they'll sub Sunday. (Underneath Radiohead????????? I can always dream...)

Bumblebee
10-22-2011, 12:42 AM
Sub-headliner, no question.

To anyone thinks they are worthy of a headliner spot: It's 2011, not 1989 and Coachella is in Indio, not Manchester. If they were atop the Coachella poster, there would be a lot of people in the 16-25 crowd that would collectively ask "Who the fuck are the Stone Roses?".... May sound crazy to many here but they are not big enough today in this part of the world to headline.

I bet many 16-25 Bonnaroo fans would have said "who the fuck is Buffalo Springfield" earlier this year when those headliners got announced. Especially if Young/Still wasn't listed.

sleepybrew
10-22-2011, 01:09 PM
IF they are there. They get the spot JAMC got in 2007

Bumblebee
10-22-2011, 11:10 PM
I could actually see a "FIRST EVER NORTH AMERICAN STONE ROSES SHOW BY THE CLASSIC LINEUP" byline/PR angle perhaps working in their favour.

Dede' Arneaux
10-23-2011, 09:45 AM
Their Glasto 1996 booking fee is much different than their 2013 fee. Wouldn't UK fans already had a chance to see them throughout 2012? plus I don't anticipate huge setlist variation unless they get into new stuff or Second Coming tracks.

I think they could still play Glasto a year after 3 big Manchester gigs and a world tour.

Stickjohn
10-23-2011, 11:14 AM
Great article in the The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/oct/22/stone-roses-reunion?newsfeed=true) about Stone Roses and reunions for sake of money in general.

They didn't so much split up as fall apart, piece by piece, like a clown car. If fans' affection could survive Reading 96, it can survive anything.

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betao
10-23-2011, 02:48 PM
I bet many 16-25 Bonnaroo fans would have said "who the fuck is Buffalo Springfield" earlier this year when those headliners got announced. Especially if Young/Still wasn't listed.

The Bonaroo hippies are actually more knowledgeable about this kinda stuff I think. Alot more than the LA-Coachella hipsters.

GuyInTucson
10-23-2011, 08:18 PM
The Bonaroo hippies are actually more knowledgeable about this kinda stuff I think. Alot more than the LA-Coachella hipsters.

Also, Stills and Young are still more recognizable in this part of the world today than any member of the Stone Roses.

Stone Roses are a sub at best.

Twattycakes
10-23-2011, 09:22 PM
^^ This ^^

ballroomdancer22
10-24-2011, 12:01 AM
Guns & Roses,The Rolling Stones, Stone Roses

RoseStonechella

fatbastard
10-24-2011, 06:19 AM
BAD slot. No one will be there.

n3glect
10-24-2011, 07:19 AM
It's simple.

2012: Roses play the main stage. Subheadliner. Think Pixies in 04.

2013? Mojave. Like the Pixies, the draw and legacy of the roses is huge for fans of a certain demographic. Also, Coachella now has a huge global draw.

However, if the euro tour happens first, most of the global community will have seen the set. So potentially you're now limiting the interest to 40year old yanks.

There is potential for a long tour and new album to draw in new fans, but I just don't see that. This is a nostalgia tour if there ever was one.