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RODGERRAMJET
03-16-2007, 07:16 AM
What: Rally against ILLEGAL immigration, planned by the organization Save Our State.

When: Noon Saturday

Where: San Bernardino City Hall,

300 N. D St.

San Bernardino, CA USA

Tylerdurden31
03-16-2007, 07:17 AM
hahaha....this is gonna fly real well here

caco0283
03-16-2007, 07:18 AM
hmmmmm ill be good today

J~$$$
03-16-2007, 07:20 AM
YEAH!!!!! its always been my dream since I was a young boy to tend the lettuce fields for $5.25 an hour.....now, that dream may come true!

TomAz
03-16-2007, 07:21 AM
http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2007/02/hate_groups_in.html

TomAz
03-16-2007, 07:23 AM
Immigration protesters joined by neo-Nazis in California

Anti-immigration activist Joe Turner may be one of the best things to happen to the Southern California white power community in years — a man whose group is seen as a "Trojan horse" allowing radical infiltration of mainstream politics.

Turner, a Ventura, Calif., man who founded the immigrant-bashing Save Our State organization in late 2004, insists that he's no racist, even though his self-described "aggressive activism" includes claims that undocumented Mexican workers are turning California into "a third world cesspool" and his Web site vilifies a variety of prominent Hispanic officials in a "Racialist Hall of Fame."

But neo-Nazis have found in Turner a tolerant master of ceremonies. In rally after rally this year, Turner and other SOS officials have failed to turn away racist Skinheads and likeminded white supremacists who have joined their protests.

Swastikas and sieg heils aren't usually welcome on the streets of Southern California, but Turner's followers, including SOS spokesman Don Silva, have been photographed standing alongside Skinheads clad in high black boots with red laces. Most recently, swastika pennants and Confederate battle flags were hoisted alongside Turner's own picket signs during a July 30 protest outside a day laborer center in Laguna Beach. One group in the crowd sieg-heiled repeatedly.

Turner has told members of his Web site's forum that he opposes white supremacists joining his protests, and he wrote to the Intelligence Report "there seems to be very little we can do to keep them from piggybacking off our activism. ... [W]e are unable to really do anything about it."

He has also banned a few white supremacists from his forum. But many others have posted racist attacks on Hispanics – attacks that are left on his Web site as long as they don't directly advocate violence.

SOS forum member "Chris 2005," for instance, offered this up on July 25: "Mexicans are like pigs. They are by far the filthiest f-ing animals. I have also felt like I needed to get into a hot bathtub of water and soap and just soak until the filth comes off me after being near any of them. I hate them, I hate them, I hate them!"

Nine days later, the statement was still there.

And then there are Turner's own statements in his forum. "I am sick and tired of all the white bashing that goes on through the use of political correctness as an indoctrinating tool," he wrote on July 16.

"I am sick and tired of multiculturalism, meaning, let's celebrate every culture as long as it isn't a European/white culture." During the same exchange, Turner also wrote that "just because one believes in white separatism that does not make them a racist."

All in all, white supremacists are delighted.

Posting on the neo-Nazi Stormfront Web site forum, one person described Turner's operation as a "Trojan horse" that radical racists can use to infiltrate more mainstream political discourse.

"The tide is turning in our favor in the movement against illegal aliens," this poster wrote in March. "The grass roots sentiment against this invasion is finally making its voice heard and [at] many different levels. This is a movement every WN [white nationalist] should support and be active in. It moves in our direction even as it does not even acknowledge, or even know, that the WN movement exists. Anti-alien activism is a no-loose [sic] for WN."

blakely
03-16-2007, 07:24 AM
this is not something i would expect from a gay man.... but stranger things have happened, i guess...

caco0283
03-16-2007, 07:29 AM
i think i found a new board to bother....goodbye coachella message board...helllooooo racist fucks that are going to feel wrath of the color brown

J~$$$
03-16-2007, 07:33 AM
Dont waste your time Caco.

gaypalmsprings
03-16-2007, 07:33 AM
this is not something i would expect from a gay man..

who's gay?

bartelby
03-16-2007, 07:34 AM
what loonies...

instinct
03-16-2007, 07:35 AM
lol.. I'M SO DOWN!!

blakely
03-16-2007, 07:37 AM
who's gay?

the threadstart.....

J~$$$
03-16-2007, 07:39 AM
Its funny because you will have a bunch of jerkoffs protesting at city hall on Saturday when no one is there and the people with real lives will out be working for the money these lazy fucks will never see. The greatest thing to happen to one of these assholes is to have a mexican boss.

caco0283
03-16-2007, 07:44 AM
white man stands up for mexicans...i love this!!!!


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TomAz
03-16-2007, 07:51 AM
"it's not an open container bitch"

ahahahahahahahahahaahhaaa

blakely
03-16-2007, 07:52 AM
damn it, damn it, damn it... i dont have sound at work....

bartelby
03-16-2007, 07:52 AM
why would someone even film that?

caco0283
03-16-2007, 07:55 AM
the guy is motherfucking CIA....thats why they filmed it

RODGERRAMJET
03-16-2007, 07:55 AM
I don't have any problem with any race, and that includes brothers and sisters from Mexico. I'm all for people who want to become US citizens. After all, the State of Liberty says, "Come." HOWEVER, I am against border jumpers--illegals--who just show up and say, "Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie". If ya wanna come here to work. Fine. Do it legally and through the proper channels. If ya wanna live here, fine. Enter the country properly and with the right documentation--unforged, preferably. But don't jump the borders and expect this tax paying citizen to like it, esp. when your kids are getting free public education, better health care for free than I get (see info on The Healthy Kids grant) and have to PAY for, etc. etc. etc. We treat the illegals better than we treat our own citizens, and don't even get me started about how badly we treat our Vets of War.

All That I Am
03-16-2007, 07:55 AM
I'm Mexican and I'm completely down with this idea. Lets get all those boat people and all their descendants who came over here from england and send them back to where they came from.

This is America, if you're gonna speak english go back to England!

bartelby
03-16-2007, 07:56 AM
the guy is motherfucking CIA....thats why they filmed it

true dat...

vinylmartyr
03-16-2007, 07:58 AM
We have to do something about illegal immigration but i'm not going to any rally.
Its hard to find an affordable apartment in LA because illegals move in and some become the landlords and they only rent to other illegals. Thats only one of the issues. I fell very strongly about this. It has to be fixed. Its not just Mexicans. Try renting an apartment in Chinatown in LA.

gaypalmsprings
03-16-2007, 08:00 AM
Saturday 3/17 at noon is also anti-war protest in Hollywood. It features live music by Ozomatli, Ben Harper & Jackson Browne.

http://www.answerla.org/

vinylmartyr
03-16-2007, 08:00 AM
I'm not saying to deport anyone.

caco0283
03-16-2007, 08:01 AM
that site has some funny videos on it...but im not sure how i feel about this one

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TomAz
03-16-2007, 08:01 AM
We have to do something about illegal immigration but i'm not going to any rally.
Its hard to find an affordable apartment in LA because illegals move in and some become the landlords and they only rent to other illegals. Thats only one of the issues. I fell very strongly about this. It has to be fixed. Its not just Mexicans. Try renting an apartment in Chinatown in LA.

but is that an illegal immigration issue or is that an issue of racial preference in housing? they are two separate issues.

J~$$$
03-16-2007, 08:04 AM
We have to do something about illegal immigration but i'm not going to any rally.
Its hard to find an affordable apartment in LA because illegals move in and some become the landlords and they only rent to other illegals. Thats only one of the issues. I fell very strongly about this. It has to be fixed. Its not just Mexicans. Try renting an apartment in Chinatown in LA.

Money speaks volumes I bet if you walked up in that apartment complex and said you would pay cash you would have no problem renting a place.

blakely
03-16-2007, 08:05 AM
I don't have any problem with any race, and that includes brothers and sisters from Mexico. I'm all for people who want to become US citizens. After all, the State of Liberty says, "Come." HOWEVER, I am against border jumpers--illegals--who just show up and say, "Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie". If ya wanna come here to work. Fine. Do it legally and through the proper channels. If ya wanna live here, fine. Enter the country properly and with the right documentation--unforged, preferably. But don't jump the borders and expect this tax paying citizen to like it, esp. when your kids are getting free public education, better health care for free than I get (see info on The Healthy Kids grant) and have to PAY for, etc. etc. etc. We treat the illegals better than we treat our own citizens, and don't even get me started about how badly we treat our Vets of War.

Do you actually understand what it is to live in absolute poverty you ignorant jack ass? Have you been into a third world country? I dont think you truly grasp the situation. Attaining a green card via "the correct channels" is almost unattainable in their country. So they come here and do the shitty menial labor that you would NEVER do and scrape by a living for themselves and their family. the simple fact that you have the privilege to relax at your home and casually complain about something that has little to know real effect on you sites the decadence of our society. There is something deeply wrong with you and your perception of life. Grow a heart and show some compassion for your fellow man. Dickweed.

RODGERRAMJET
03-16-2007, 08:05 AM
Oh yeah. I've been to concerts by The Adicts, Naked Agression, The Diffs, Funeral Dress, Social Conflict, etc. So, does that make me a racist? Just askin'. ;<)

caco0283
03-16-2007, 08:07 AM
who is going to work the fields???? who???? have you seen a day without a mexican....horrible movie but they show what life would be like without brown in your town

caco0283
03-16-2007, 08:09 AM
Oh yeah. I've been to concerts by The Adicts, Naked Agression, The Diffs, Funeral Dress, Social Conflict, etc. So, does that make me a racist? Just askin'. ;<)



no its makes you a person with bad taste in music

J~$$$
03-16-2007, 08:09 AM
I don't have any problem with any race, and that includes brothers and sisters from Mexico. I'm all for people who want to become US citizens. After all, the State of Liberty says, "Come." HOWEVER, I am against border jumpers--illegals--who just show up and say, "Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie". If ya wanna come here to work. Fine. Do it legally and through the proper channels. If ya wanna live here, fine. Enter the country properly and with the right documentation--unforged, preferably. But don't jump the borders and expect this tax paying citizen to like it, esp. when your kids are getting free public education, better health care for free than I get (see info on The Healthy Kids grant) and have to PAY for, etc. etc. etc. We treat the illegals better than we treat our own citizens, and don't even get me started about how badly we treat our Vets of War.

I agree that there are qutie a few illegals that do come over here looking for a free handout, but there a plenty more of American citizens looking for a free handout. Its not about stoping the illegals its more about fixing the system that alows the free handouts. ie heathcare, public education, welfare, ect.

vinylmartyr
03-16-2007, 08:09 AM
Money speaks volumes I bet if you walked up in that apartment complex and said you would pay cash you would have no problem renting a place.

Maybe but I tried to rent a place in Chinatown once and tey asked for 5 years of pay stubs and tax returns. They wanted to see my pets and tour the current place I was living in just to consider renting me an apartment. Hell I think they wanted more than that. Basically they were trying to discourage me form trying to rent a place in their building. Money would not have made any difference.

TomAz
03-16-2007, 08:10 AM
Oh yeah. I've been to concerts by The Adicts, Naked Agression, The Diffs, Funeral Dress, Social Conflict, etc. So, does that make me a racist? Just askin'. ;<)

no, it's your racism that makes you a racist, not your musical taste.

RODGERRAMJET
03-16-2007, 08:10 AM
I fully understand the plight of the people from 3rd world countries. So, tell ya what: let's pull our troops out of the Middle East and invade Mexico and help the mexican people rebuild their country into a true democracy...so they don't have to live in poverty. I'd be for that. Any other takers?

RODGERRAMJET
03-16-2007, 08:12 AM
no, it's your racism that makes you a racist, not your musical taste.

What's racist about asking people to please follow the law? I don't get it.

blakely
03-16-2007, 08:12 AM
wtf? i never said anything about you being prejudice.... although i do think theres a bit of latent racism resident in that ridiculous head of yours....

TomAz
03-16-2007, 08:12 AM
I agree that there are qutie a few illegals that do come over here looking for a free handout, but there a plenty more of American citizens looking for a free handout. Its not about stoping the illegals its more about fixing the system that alows the free handouts. ie heathcare, public education, welfare, ect.

In my experience the immigrants come looking for work. They often use fake Social Security numbers which means they are paying Social Security taxes but will never be able to collect any payemtns. That doesn't sound like a 'handout' to me.

RODGERRAMJET
03-16-2007, 08:13 AM
who is going to work the fields???? who???? have you seen a day without a mexican....horrible movie but they show what life would be like without brown in your town

I think you're missing the point. I have no problems with "browns in my town". Heck, Mexicans live across the street from me! They're cool! But they're here LEGALLY.

blakely
03-16-2007, 08:14 AM
What's racist about asking people to please follow the law? I don't get it.

you try "following the law" when your family is starving, asshole

RODGERRAMJET
03-16-2007, 08:14 AM
In my experience the immigrants come looking for work. They often use fake Social Security numbers which means they are paying Social Security taxes but will never be able to collect any payemtns. That doesn't sound like a 'handout' to me.

Once again, breaking the law. And that's okay?

J~$$$
03-16-2007, 08:15 AM
I fully understand the plight of the people from 3rd world countries. So, tell ya what: let's pull our troops out of the Middle East and invade Mexico and help the mexican people rebuild their country into a true democracy...so they don't have to live in poverty. I'd be for that. Any other takers?

Do you know how much money floods back into mexico from illegal workers? How are we not helping rebuild their country?

http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6054580

TomAz
03-16-2007, 08:15 AM
What's racist about asking people to please follow the law? I don't get it.

what's racist is your claim that they are "only here for handouts" and that other thinly veiled racist tripe.

how bout this: Pres Bush has proposed a guest worker program. That would make all the people who are now "illegal" legal. Do you support that? that way they'd be following the law.

TomAz
03-16-2007, 08:16 AM
Once again, breaking the law. And that's okay?

The law needs fixing.

gaypalmsprings
03-16-2007, 08:17 AM
What does the fact that the guy who is gay have to do with him not wanting illegal people in the hood?

I dare say illegal aliens have more rights in the US than gay people do.

Illegal aliens come in all colors, not just brown.

RODGERRAMJET
03-16-2007, 08:17 AM
you try "following the law" when your family is starving, asshole

Okay. Truth: My dad walked out on my mom when I was 5 years old. My mom raised several children by herself. I know what it's like to be dirt poor; mom worked 2, sometimes 3, jobs to pay the bills. I ate peanut butter & jelly for dinner many nights--sometimes nothing at all because there wasn't any food to eat. Truth. We didn't have a phone. Couldn't afford it. My mom still followed the law. Don't tell me it cannot be done. I lived it.

RODGERRAMJET
03-16-2007, 08:18 AM
what's racist is your claim that they are "only here for handouts" and that other thinly veiled racist tripe.

how bout this: Pres Bush has proposed a guest worker program. That would make all the people who are now "illegal" legal. Do you support that? that way they'd be following the law.

Yes, I would support The Prez' Guest Worker Program for people newly entering. For the illegals already here, nah. They need to go home and start over.

gaypalmsprings
03-16-2007, 08:19 AM
Illegal aliens in California get in-state tuition in state universities. Legal aliens from other states pay out-of-state tuition in California. Some things are just so wrong.

TomAz
03-16-2007, 08:22 AM
Yes, I would support The Prez' Guest Worker Program for people newly entering. For the illegals already here, nah. They need to go home and start over.

why are you so obsessed with how they got here? what difference does it make?

you remind me of this guy

http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/08/90/16/image_1316908.jpg

J~$$$
03-16-2007, 08:22 AM
In my experience the immigrants come looking for work. They often use fake Social Security numbers which means they are paying Social Security taxes but will never be able to collect any payemtns. That doesn't sound like a 'handout' to me.

I work with Mexicans I see mostly the good but I see the bad too....the guys you hire that 2 weeks later try to claim workmans comp. on all 3 of the different companies they currently work for. The Hispanic families that have plenty of money yet still go to the food bank and clothes drives to get free stuff. The families that go to hospitals and claim the dont have a job so they dont have to pay medical bills. This is more an issue of working a broken welfare system, than an illegal immigrant issue. Trust me there are plenty of american citizens that try to work over the system too, and they are pissed because they have to jump through more hoops to obtain the handouts.

blakely
03-16-2007, 08:22 AM
Okay. Truth: My dad walked out on my mom when I was 5 years old. My mom raised several children by herself. I know what it's like to be dirt poor; mom worked 2, sometimes 3, jobs to pay the bills. I ate peanut butter & jelly for dinner many nights--sometimes nothing at all because there wasn't any food to eat. Truth. We didn't have a phone. Couldn't afford it. My mom still followed the law. Don't tell me it cannot be done. I lived it.

no... no you didnt. like i said, you havent seen absolute poverty. your mother had the ability to go out and get three jobs, you had a place to live and a floor under your feet. most of the homes in mexico have dirt floors, which you have never seen, otherwise you would be singing a different tune. These children havent eaten in days, not only eaten PB and J's for a little bit. Your conclusions are presumptuous at best and completely ignorant.

Alchemy
03-16-2007, 08:23 AM
I fully understand the plight of the people from 3rd world countries. So, tell ya what: let's pull our troops out of the Middle East and invade Mexico and help the mexican people rebuild their country into a true democracy...so they don't have to live in poverty. I'd be for that. Any other takers?

I agree with this, if America wanted to do something completely generous. I am Mexican American, and I live in El Paso. If you guys have never seen El Paso, it doesn't seem to be completely part of the United States, because we are connected to Juarez, Mexico. I have some family from Mexico. My dad was born in Mexico, but he came over here legally.

I do not think people should come over the US illegally. It is very possible to come over the US the right way, as my own family has done it. Even now, in a time where we are so iffy about foreign people, it is very do-able. In the schools here, and at UTEP, we can volunteer to teach people in Mexico how to earn their citizenship. TONS of people volunteer for it. I see TONS of people lined up for their Social Security every day. It is very possible to become a legal citizen.

I sympathize with pro-immigration protests, but I think Mexicans should protest in their own country. Our government is not the problem. The Mexican government is horrible and corrupt. Mexican people should not have to run away from their own homeland. I think the right thing to do, would be for America to aid in them getting back their country and setting up a new government.

blakely
03-16-2007, 08:26 AM
I sympathize with pro-immigration protests, but I think Mexicans should protest in their own country. Our government is not the problem. The Mexican government is horrible and corrupt. Mexican people should not have to run away from their own homeland. I think the right thing to do, would be for America to aid in them getting back their country and setting up a new government.

we have been for decades...... trillions of dollars.....

TomAz
03-16-2007, 08:26 AM
I fully understand the plight of the people from 3rd world countries. So, tell ya what: let's pull our troops out of the Middle East and invade Mexico and help the mexican people rebuild their country into a true democracy...so they don't have to live in poverty. I'd be for that. Any other takers?

dude you just proposed invading mexico. You're a fucking shit. sieg hiel indeed.

Alchemy
03-16-2007, 08:28 AM
we have been for decades...... trillions of dollars.....

Not like that. I meant going into Mexico and getting rid of their government. We need to set up the government. If we give them trillions of dollars to fix crap, where do you think it actually goes?

blakely
03-16-2007, 08:31 AM
Not like that. I meant going into Mexico and getting rid of their government. We need to set up the government. If we give them trillions of dollars to fix crap, where do you think it actually goes?

do you understand how arrogant and out of place that would be? almost as much as say... i dunno, iraq

J~$$$
03-16-2007, 08:31 AM
Maybe but I tried to rent a place in Chinatown once and tey asked for 5 years of pay stubs and tax returns. They wanted to see my pets and tour the current place I was living in just to consider renting me an apartment. Hell I think they wanted more than that. Basically they were trying to discourage me form trying to rent a place in their building. Money would not have made any difference.

This is probably true but there are laws set in place that allow you to get a place in that building if you really wanted it, but yeah sometimes its more of a bitch to go through all the red tape.

http://www.nolo.com/product.cfm/objectID/CA928DBB-4072-4DE0-B9664D751CEDBDE5/toc/1/213/

Edit: http://www.hud.gov/local/ca/renting/tenantrights.cfm

bartelby
03-16-2007, 08:32 AM
its as if setting up a new government is as easy as putting on a new coat of paint...

some realism please mr. alchemy

Alchemy
03-16-2007, 08:35 AM
its as if setting up a new government is as easy as putting on a new coat of paint...

some realism please mr. alchemy

That is why I said. "I agree with this, if America wanted to do something completely generous."

I understand that setting up a new government takes time and money. I also realize that setting up a new government in Mexico benefits us much less than setting up governments in the Middle East. Although one is more selfish than the other.

I am just saying what I think would happen in an ideal world. Which is why I talked about students teaching people from Mexico how to earn their citizenship, as that is the good idea.

TomAz
03-16-2007, 08:35 AM
Economic realities are what they are. Workers come from other countries to work here because we are willing to give them jobs and pay them. We are willing to give them jobs and pay them because we cannot find adequate labor to do the job here. Putting a wall up at the border doesn't change the economic realities. it's like Nixon's wage/price freeze to combat inflation. It was an artificial tool that didn't change the underlying forces and it wound up blowing up in his face.

The guest worker idea is a good one I think (and one of the few where I actually agree with Bush). we're much better off having an orderly process to getting the labor into this country rather than the free for all we have now. It would also free up the border patrol to actually look for people who want to do the country harm rather than contribute to its economy.

Alchemy
03-16-2007, 08:36 AM
do you understand how arrogant and out of place that would be? almost as much as say... i dunno, iraq

It wouldn't be weird to back a revolution starting in Mexico that was not caused by us. That kind of crap happens all the time.

blakely
03-16-2007, 08:39 AM
It wouldn't be weird to back a revolution starting in Mexico that was not caused by us. That kind of crap happens all the time.

what does that have to do with anything?

Alchemy
03-16-2007, 08:43 AM
what does that have to do with anything?

Did you even read my posts or skim through looking for something to argue?

I said that Mexican people should take their protests to their own government, and we should aid them if they attempted to take their government back.

How do you think people take back their country?

I'll give you a hint.

It made the Soviet Union. It made the United States. It made Mexico in the first place. It made Cuba. It made Iran what it is today. It made almost every country in South America... Wow it is not so uncommon for people to revolt against their government.

If you also read my post correctly, you would see that I said we would set up a new government in Mexico if we wanted to do something generous. However, doing something generous is not always the case, is it? We'd need it to benefit us more than other things we can do in other countries.

Alchemy
03-16-2007, 08:53 AM
This may help:

Mr. Alchemy's Thoughts On Illegal Immigration

He says that the US backing a Mexican Revolution would be the ideal thing to do, in an ideal world.

He feels that in this unideal world. Students teaching Mexicans how to earn their citizenships is great. He also likes the Guest Worker programs. As well as other programs helping Mexicans earn citizenship and work over here LEGALLY.

He also doesn't care if a wall is built.

He doesn't think it is a smart idea to invade Mexico, although he thinks it would be neat if they could make it work. Of course, Mexicans would be more happy if they invaded their own country, and the US just helped them out. He was only replying to the person who first suggested the idea of invading Mexico by saying it would be the generous thing. NOT the beneficial or smart thing.

gaypalmsprings
03-16-2007, 08:53 AM
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blakely
03-16-2007, 08:54 AM
ive read all of your posts "correctly" and in their entirety. And what you seem to lack is a bit of realism and practicality. We can not remove their government because it is not ours to remove. And as for backing a revolution in mexico, thats just plain fantasy. Our international relationship is far too closely knitted, we are dependent on them for far too much.

Alchemy
03-16-2007, 08:57 AM
ive read all of your posts "correctly" and in their entirety. And what you seem to lack is a bit of realism and practicality. We can not remove their government because it is not ours to remove. And as for backing a revolution in mexico, thats just plain fantasy. Our international relationship is far too closely knitted, we are dependent on them for far too much.

"ive read all of your posts "correctly" and in their entirety." Obviously not.

"And what you seem to lack is a bit of realism and practicality." That is why I kept saying OVER and OVER that it was not beneficial, and it would only be ideal.

"We can not remove their government because it is not ours to remove." Oh really?

"And as for backing a revolution in mexico, thats just plain fantasy." Funny. I have not been saying that?

"Our international relationship is far too closely knitted, we are dependent on them for far too much." More than if we made the government? We would take control of everything they have to offer! Of course, that'd be wrong.

caco0283
03-16-2007, 09:34 AM
im so glad im just rendering for the next 30 minutes....because i can watch things like this

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bartelby
03-16-2007, 09:47 AM
who's videos are these? sounds like ann coulter behind there....

disgustipated
03-16-2007, 09:59 AM
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bartelby
03-16-2007, 10:03 AM
blah

J~$$$
03-16-2007, 10:07 AM
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thats the most intelligent thought you could come up with?

fatbastard
03-16-2007, 10:09 AM
I'm hungry.

J~$$$
03-16-2007, 10:10 AM
volumes.

disgustipated
03-16-2007, 10:21 AM
Thats the most intelligent thought you could come up with?

on this un-intelligent thread...yes!

gaypalmsprings
03-16-2007, 10:22 AM
how do you say "bla" in Spanish?

PotVsKtl
03-16-2007, 10:24 AM
Bullshit we can't find adequate labor here to do the jobs. That's the corporate line, congratulations, you've got their hook in your soft meat. If we paid reasonable wages people would take the jobs. All you dumb fucks who immediately jump on a person for posting something pro immigration reform should spend a few minutes shooting yourselves in contemplation.

J~$$$
03-16-2007, 10:30 AM
I have not had one person in three years other than of latin descent walk through my front door to apply for a job, and these jobs start at $12 an hr. which is an excellent wage for living standards here.

blakely
03-16-2007, 10:32 AM
Bullshit we can't find adequate labor here to do the jobs. That's the corporate line, congratulations, you've got their hook in your soft meat. If we paid reasonable wages people would take the jobs. All you dumb fucks who immediately jump on a person for posting something pro immigration reform should spend a few minutes shooting yourselves in contemplation.

oh ya, im sure the american public would jump right on that shit...
be realistic...

PotVsKtl
03-16-2007, 10:35 AM
oh ya, im sure the american public would jump right on that shit...
be realistic...

Realistic about what? If a job pays a decent wage people will do that job. It's incredibly simple.

caco0283
03-16-2007, 10:38 AM
who's videos are these? sounds like ann coulter behind there....

naw its minutemomchriski

http://www.htfttf.com/dp/

blakely
03-16-2007, 10:39 AM
Realistic about what? If a job pays a decent wage people will do that job. It's incredibly simple.

Realisitc about the wages changing...

PotVsKtl
03-16-2007, 10:45 AM
Let's assess your version of realism. Say the borders were effectively closed and no guest worker program had yet been enacted. Some percentage of illegal aliens currently in the United States are deported. Is it your position that all of those jobs previously done by the deported individuals would simply be abandoned? No steps would be taken to make sure that our country continues to run in an acceptable fashion? No legislation would be passed to ensure basic services were available to citizens?

Nobody grows up dreaming of being a garbage collector / sanitation engineer. Why do you suppose people take those jobs? Because they pay well. They pay well because nobody really wants them. So far our economy hasn't broken down as a result. Try a little critical thinking.

J~$$$
03-16-2007, 10:47 AM
The chinese would own us. Not that they already dont.

arie117
03-16-2007, 10:52 AM
Realistically Americans are lazy and just like complaining about things!! never satisfied

jackstraw94086
03-16-2007, 10:54 AM
"American" isn't really an ethnicity.

blakely
03-16-2007, 10:56 AM
Let's assess your version of realism. Say the borders were effectively closed and no guest worker program had yet been enacted. Some percentage of illegal aliens currently in the United States are deported. Is it your position that all of those jobs previously done by the deported individuals would simply be abandoned? No steps would be taken to make sure that our country continues to run in an acceptable fashion? No legislation would be passed to ensure basic services were available to citizens?

Nobody grows up dreaming of being a garbage collector / sanitation engineer. Why do you suppose people take those jobs? Because they pay well. They pay well because nobody really wants them. So far our economy hasn't broken down as a result. Try a little critical thinking.

no i dont think they would. Your operating under the assumption that the govt would be able to protect you in that manner but the reality of it is that they cant. Have you already forgotten katrina? Hurricanes happen every year and they still fucked that up royally.

hangthedj112
03-16-2007, 10:58 AM
I'm sick of this issue, but it does need to be solved. Yet it won't be because we'll never have any level-headed people out there involved with it. Everyone protesting the cause either want to open the flood gates and let everyone in, or want to build a 200ft. wall, and even I'll admit some of those anti-immigration groups are very latent with racism though. Makes me sick. On the other hand I don't like hearing about how they just take the jobs we won't work, because I remember back in high school when all my friends and I were attempting to get our first jobs, you know menial teen jobs like fast food and retail, are all being taken by immigrants. Also, the amount of immigrants in our schools is becoming frightening, my nephew comes home with letters/flyers in Spanish/English from school! THen they have special classes for children who speak Spanish, and our society as a whole is almost being forced to accommodate people who speak spanish. Our language is English, not Spanish, that's the only part that angers me.

blakely
03-16-2007, 11:00 AM
Our language is English, not Spanish, that's the only part that angers me.
i agree with you on the rest... but come on?
most of europe speaks at least 2 languages. Its not too much to ask to be bilingual or to at least be tolerant of another language...

TomAz
03-16-2007, 11:01 AM
Bullshit we can't find adequate labor here to do the jobs. That's the corporate line, congratulations, you've got their hook in your soft meat. If we paid reasonable wages people would take the jobs. All you dumb fucks who immediately jump on a person for posting something pro immigration reform should spend a few minutes shooting yourselves in contemplation.

I am pro immigration reform. A guest worker program would be immigration reform. I am anti Save Our State and other groups who use immigration as a cover for racial hatred.

Racism is stupid, racial stereotypes make me sick. Plus, I'd rather have a hardworking family-oriented Hispanic man doing my landscaping than a meth-addicted piece of white trash who just wants to rob me.

arie117
03-16-2007, 11:03 AM
"American" isn't really an ethnicity.

i know many people that are born and raised in america with spanish, african, ect background that are against illegal immigration... so i would say americans

La Ferrassie
03-16-2007, 11:05 AM
Racism is stupid, racial stereotypes make me sick. Plus, I'd rather have a hardworking family-oriented Hispanic man doing my landscaping than a meth-addicted piece of white trash who just wants to rob me.
Well said.

arie117
03-16-2007, 11:07 AM
one love

J~$$$
03-16-2007, 11:08 AM
i agree with you on the rest... but come on?
most of europe speaks at least 2 languages. Its not too much to ask to be bilingual or to at least be tolerant of another language...

It is kind of a big thing. I would not expect france or germany to buckle to my needs if I decided to live and work in their country.

PotVsKtl
03-16-2007, 11:11 AM
France and Germany already have buckled to your needs.

arie117
03-16-2007, 11:12 AM
alot of countries can at least speak thier own language and english

J~$$$
03-16-2007, 11:13 AM
France and Germany already have buckled to your needs.

Well thats cuz im American dammit!

full on idle
03-16-2007, 11:14 AM
Blakely, everything you say is in the neat clean shape of a cookie. It's like you have a handbook with bullet points. You don't need to bring up Iraq and Katrina in every argument. Those are easy ways out of backing up what you're saying by playing an emotional card, especially when they've nothing to do with the argument at hand. You should read a little more and type a little less. My two cents.

vinylmartyr
03-16-2007, 11:20 AM
Pot I agree with you 100%. I was gonna say what you said but I did not feel like arguing.

blakely
03-16-2007, 11:27 AM
Blakely, everything you say is in the neat clean shape of a cookie. It's like you have a handbook with bullet points. You don't need to bring up Iraq and Katrina in every argument. Those are easy ways out of backing up what you're saying by playing an emotional card, especially when they've nothing to do with the argument at hand. You should read a little more and type a little less. My two cents.

im sorry, but they have everything to do with the argument at hand. Considering that our government is the issue, the way our government handles other situations relates to this issue exactly. Its called siting examples. And who the fuck asked you anyway. Theres no need to attempt to ridicule me because i dont have the same views as you. Give some respect and stop looking for arguments.

p.s. Cookie? Why a cookie? They arent neat and clean. Nor is their shape. And they leave crumbs all over the place.

Yablonowitz
03-16-2007, 11:30 AM
Economicallly, we're moving toward globalization and slowly killing off nation state mentalities, which is partially why wages in this country have remained stagnant or declined.

Socially and culturally, we're becoming more fragmented and pronvincial.

Two huge forces acting against each other and, according to dialectic theory, something's got to give.

Omar1
03-16-2007, 11:59 AM
Also, the amount of immigrants in our schools is becoming frightening, my nephew comes home with letters/flyers in Spanish/English from school! THen they have special classes for children who speak Spanish, and our society as a whole is almost being forced to accommodate people who speak spanish. Our language is English, not Spanish, that's the only part that angers me.

Spanish has been part of American culture as much as english, most of the western states in The United States were part of the Spanish empire, which means that spanish has been spoken in those states since the 1400's, just because you're only capable of learning one language does not mean everyone one else should accomodate to your needs. Illegal immigration is part of capitalism, supply and demand. It's also happening and Europe, in my opinion immigration is a sign of economic growth, we need to be worried when people start looking at other places for job opportunities.

Alchemy
03-16-2007, 12:05 PM
It's okay if people speak spanish here. I think there is a law though, that contracts and manuals (safety and such) must have english versions. There are people here in El Paso that work places and assume you will speak spanish. For example, at the register of any store. I mean, it's not going to kill you to be a little lost in translation at that point.

Although as bothersome as it is for us to assume that everyone needs to speak english, it's just as annoying when they expect me to know spanish just because I live in El Paso. I just think the US would be a better place with multiple languages. It would be cool to open up to that kind of thing.

caco0283
03-16-2007, 12:17 PM
THIS JUST IN!!! LATE BREAKING NEWS!!!!

Bush was on the phone with Castro and Castro demanded for Bush to give him back Guantanamo Bay. Bush replies with "Sure when you give me back Miami"

Alchemy
03-16-2007, 12:20 PM
THIS JUST IN!!! LATE BREAKING NEWS!!!!

Bush was on the phone with Castro and Castro demanded for Bush to give him back Guantanamo Bay. Bush replies with "Sure when you give me back Miami"

Did Bush press a button on his phone that made a punch-line drum hit?

http://www.fredpierce-drums.com/drums.jpg

Yablonowitz
03-16-2007, 12:24 PM
I live about as far away from the Mexican border as you can, so I'm not all that hip on these issues. But is it the case that there are MORE people illegally immigrating into the US now then there used to be? Or is it the population growth of second generation illegals that's putting the squeeze on? For some reason, I'm having a hard time believing that immigration rates are increasing since unemployment rates haven't changed dramatically recently and the growth of the maquiladora industries.

caco0283
03-16-2007, 12:25 PM
why do tourist love Miami and San Diego so much???

Cos its close to the United States!!!! ohhhhh

TomAz
03-16-2007, 12:27 PM
bingo. it's just the right wing grasping for anything to hold on to these days.

jackstraw94086
03-16-2007, 12:28 PM
The language issue is not a purely nationalistic or even remotely racist thing.
It's pure common sense.

Those self-loathing americans that love to point out how other countries seem to know English have to pull and pry their heads out of their own asses and realize why. It's not because they desperately want to be worldly, it's because their media is inundated with English and if they want to read half the internet or do business in most of the world it's just a necessity. One out of every four people alive speaks some degree of it. English is the current lingua franca on this planet, and that's just fact. Who knows, tomorrow it may be Chinese, but that's probably far off and when it happens then Americans may need to know it and the Chinese will be called ignorant for not knowing any other languages.

This has nothing to do with the spanish/english debate in the US. A nation government can't run effectively on more than one language at a time. Look at belgium. It's basically two different countries and they can't stand each other. Look at Canada. Same thing except that the pompous Quebecois are at least sensible enough to learn English. you can't teach children in two languages simultaneously. the US would be better off forcing everyone to learn spanish and making that official rather than adopt more than official language.

And if you're going to adopt spanish as another official language (thereby destroying our education system), then why not other languages? Why is if fair to adopt Spanish but not French? Arabic? Farsi? Mandarin? Tagalog? Those people have to learn English or deal, but Mexicans don't?

If you actually sat down and thought critically about any of this you'd punch yourselves in the face for being who you are.

Alchemy
03-16-2007, 12:33 PM
English is also the language of science.

caco0283
03-16-2007, 12:36 PM
french is the language of love

Omar1
03-16-2007, 12:37 PM
numbers are the language of science

Alchemy
03-16-2007, 12:39 PM
numbers are the language of science

That's a miscalculation (ooooooh), I think you will find that Scientific Facilities make their publications in English because of the diversity of the people that attend them. People find it easier to pick a language like English, because not that many of them know how to speak in numbers.

Although, did you know born-again Christians can speak in tongues? Now that's wild!

caco0283
03-16-2007, 12:44 PM
hey get back on topic


http://cagle.com/news/ImmigrationTroops/images/cagle00.gif

Alchemy
03-16-2007, 12:48 PM
hey get back on topic


http://cagle.com/news/ImmigrationTroops/images/cagle00.gif

http://www.dc.uba.ar/people/proyinv/fra/cluster_speedy/imagenes/Banned.gif

Yablonowitz
03-16-2007, 12:55 PM
A nation government can't run effectively on more than one language at a time. Look at belgium. It's basically two different countries and they can't stand each other. Look at Canada. Same thing except that the pompous Quebecois are at least sensible enough to learn English.

Switzerland has three languages. They seem to function OK. But I honestly don't know.


you can't teach children in two languages simultaneously.

I think that's true in early education (K-5) but at 6th, most non-English speaking nations introduce English as a mandatory language, for the reasons you specified.

I agree with you about the "official" language aspect but I also think Spanish should be required in school starting in 6th grade.

TomAz
03-16-2007, 12:56 PM
L'enfer, c'est les autres.

J~$$$
03-16-2007, 01:09 PM
Switzerland has three languages. They seem to function OK. But I honestly don't know.



I think that's true in early education (K-5) but at 6th, most non-English speaking nations introduce English as a mandatory language, for the reasons you specified.

I agree with you about the "official" language aspect but I also think Spanish should be required in school starting in 6th grade.

why Spanish? why not just give the kids a choice of languages, but make it a requirement?

full on idle
03-16-2007, 01:13 PM
Apres moi, le deluge.

TomAz
03-16-2007, 01:16 PM
Sur le pont d'Avignon
l'on y danse
l'on y danse
tout en rond.

summerkid
03-16-2007, 01:19 PM
Let's assess your version of realism. Say the borders were effectively closed and no guest worker program had yet been enacted. Some percentage of illegal aliens currently in the United States are deported. Is it your position that all of those jobs previously done by the deported individuals would simply be abandoned? No steps would be taken to make sure that our country continues to run in an acceptable fashion? No legislation would be passed to ensure basic services were available to citizens?

Nobody grows up dreaming of being a garbage collector / sanitation engineer. Why do you suppose people take those jobs? Because they pay well. They pay well because nobody really wants them. So far our economy hasn't broken down as a result. Try a little critical thinking.

And...if that was the case do you know how much we'd have to pay for fruits and vegetables dear god.

full on idle
03-16-2007, 01:19 PM
Bote, bote, le chocolate.

SojuGorae
03-16-2007, 01:20 PM
Racism is stupid, racial stereotypes make me sick.

Says the douchebag who compared me and my father to Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il.

Hypocritical liberals like this fuckhead over here piss me off more than neo cons. At least conservatives don't condescend to minorities. People like you feel the need to be the protector of the down and out immigrant while at the same time expressing contempt for other minority groups such as Asians that don't fit your ideal image.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we should hang out at Coachella to talk about these issues over some brews. What do you say, Tom?

TomAz
03-16-2007, 01:20 PM
Says the douchebag who compared me and my father to Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il.

Hypocritical liberals like this fuckhead over here piss me off more than neo cons. At least conservatives don't condescend to minorities. People like you feel the need to be the protector of the down and out immigrant while at the same time expressing contempt for other minority groups such as Asians that don't fit your ideal image.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we should hang out at Coachella to talk about these issues over some brews. What do you say, Tom?

i say, get a sense of humor and then go fuck yourself with it.

J~$$$
03-16-2007, 01:22 PM
Hahahahahah

full on idle
03-16-2007, 01:25 PM
I get what Soju is saying. I didn't like the joke either.

C'est la vie.
Il est trop chaude en ete.
Frere jacques, dormer vous.

J~$$$
03-16-2007, 01:26 PM
Toms a Racists. hahahahahaha.

PotVsKtl
03-16-2007, 01:44 PM
I thought Asians were funny?

J~$$$
03-16-2007, 01:57 PM
I think you are thinking of Pan-asians..

jackstraw94086
03-16-2007, 02:03 PM
Switzerland has three languages. They seem to function OK. But I honestly don't know.



I think that's true in early education (K-5) but at 6th, most non-English speaking nations introduce English as a mandatory language, for the reasons you specified.

I agree with you about the "official" language aspect but I also think Spanish should be required in school starting in 6th grade.


I think you're misinterpreting what I mean. i absolutely agree that kids should be required to learn another language in US schools. that's different from having to teaching ALL subjects in both languages (i.e. trying to make a math teacher try and teach algebra to kids in more than one language at once0. The alternative is splitting those classes up into a spanish math class and an english math class. That's also retarded, and when one language doesn't progress statistically as fast as the other (I won't suggest which one, it could be either) the other will be forced to deccelerate or the school system will be called racist.


so yeah, teach kids spanish, force them even, but teach them all to do math and science in one language.

And just before I die I'm going to add up all the seconds of my life I've spent on the phone hearing "para espanol, presiona el numero dos" then kick the ghost of jesus in the nuts that many times.

Yablonowitz
03-16-2007, 02:03 PM
why Spanish? why not just give the kids a choice of languages, but make it a requirement?

Spanish because of the rapid growth of the hispanic population in the US. However, I realize that this isn't going to happen because there is no economic benefit in teaching kids Spanish and schooling now is all about preparing kids for work.

J~$$$
03-16-2007, 02:08 PM
Im teachin my babies how to hustle and the language of the streets, cuz I ain't raisin' no punk ass bitches who are going to get all faggy on me.

Yablonowitz
03-16-2007, 02:09 PM
I think you're misinterpreting what I mean. i absolutely agree that kids should be required to learn another language in US schools. that's different from having to teaching ALL subjects in both languages (i.e. trying to make a math teacher try and teach algebra to kids in more than one language at once0. The alternative is splitting those classes up into a spanish math class and an english math class. That's also retarded, and when one language doesn't progress statistically as fast as the other (I won't suggest which one, it could be either) the other will be forced to deccelerate or the school system will be called racist.


so yeah, teach kids spanish, force them even, but teach them all to do math and science in one language.

And just before I die I'm going to add up all the seconds of my life I've spent on the phone hearing "para espanol, presiona el numero dos" then kick the ghost of jesus in the nuts that many times.

Right...we're in agreement. I actually kind of realized that mid-post but kept going anyway. Deleting is a bitch.

orbit
03-17-2007, 02:36 AM
I do not think people should come over the US illegally. It is very possible to come over the US the right way, as my own family has done it. Even now, in a time where we are so iffy about foreign people, it is very do-able. In the schools here, and at UTEP, we can volunteer to teach people in Mexico how to earn their citizenship. TONS of people volunteer for it. I see TONS of people lined up for their Social Security every day. It is very possible to become a legal citizen.

You should know that it is EASIER become citizens for people living in the mexican very side of the border than people who lives in south Mexico or Center America. Ive seen many cases where people staying in US legally were 'invited' by the US Immigration Office to their native countries to 'renew' their papers. They went back, went to the US embassy, asked for the 'renew' thing and guess what, NO authorization for anything, a big stamp in their passport with 6 letters: DENIED. Those ex-legally residents, left houses, cars, jobs, schools here. Even another ones, who had work or student authorization went back to their countries for vacations and at the time to reentry to US, officers didnt let them entry, even with the US visa still vigent!

Its not easy get the citizenship, at least for those people. Ive lived in Southamerica many years, its INCREDIBLE see the lines of thousands people trying to get a US visa. Every person, elderly people or recently born, has to pay 150 dollars just for fill the application. 98% of them are denied. 80% of them keep trying at least 2-3 times a year. More than 90% of them never will get the authorization to come here.

And I assume pro legals know how hard is save 150 dollars in a third world country right? With the 100 dollars basic salary, it seems a little hard.

mrpibb79
03-17-2007, 04:28 AM
I wonder how Mexico would react to someone illegally entering their country.

orbit
03-17-2007, 08:19 AM
They dont have any problem, and usually dont deport people. They dont have why know you are illegal, at least you get in trouble with the police or something like that, you can work and live over there without many problems. Besides that its easier fix papers in Mexico.
Lately they are harder about no letting people (mostly central americans) get in thru their south border because of US gov pressing them to stop the illegal flux thru that border (Chiapas), and not because mexicans dont want illegals..Its known that around 90% of people who cross illegally to Mexico do it with the purpose to reach the north and then cross illegally to US.

Yablonowitz
03-17-2007, 08:25 AM
What I honestly want to know is why is this issue suddenly becoming so important NOW versus five or ten years ago? Are the numbers of people coming into the US increasing? Or is it the growth of 2nd generation illegals that has made the issue more prominent?

fatbastard
03-17-2007, 08:31 AM
Some of the biggest points are still not being discussed on this thread. What about the burrito, the pizza, the crepe? Good Lord, where would we be without them?

Yablonowitz
03-17-2007, 08:32 AM
Pizza?

orbit
03-17-2007, 08:33 AM
I think a good reason could be the hispanic gangs growing so fast, and therefore the rate crime growing. Jails are overpacked, and americans are seeing the bad side of the hispanics. I agree that those criminals should be judged as criminals not matter where they are from, or they should be deported to their countries.
Also maybe because people is coming more than past years, and as jobs are decreasing here, you see more illegals in the corners or ,going back with the bad side, illegals who have lot of kids to just ask for help and live for free without work. But we cant generalize millions because of thousands. It would be as think that all legals are good/hardworkers but all illegals are bad/easylife seekers.

caco0283
03-17-2007, 12:44 PM
I think a good reason could be the hispanic gangs growing so fast, and therefore the rate crime growing. Jails are overpacked, and americans are seeing the bad side of the hispanics. I agree that those criminals should be judged as criminals not matter where they are from, or they should be deported to their countries.
Also maybe because people is coming more than past years, and as jobs are decreasing here, you see more illegals in the corners or ,going back with the bad side, illegals who have lot of kids to just ask for help and live for free without work. But we cant generalize millions because of thousands. It would be as think that all legals are good/hardworkers but all illegals are bad/easylife seekers.

Are you really that stupid??? Hispanic gangs growing so fast?? Do you really know what you are talking about?? Educate me on the hispanic gangs...I was trying to stay quiet in this thread but that comment is the dumbest thing Ive heard. Let me educate you real quick on hispanic gangs

The hispanic gangs are actually less now then they were in the 80s. Lain Kings the king of them all doesn't even make a sound in America. Most hispanic gangs today can't even be called hispanic gangs because the pride for ones culture has been lost. When Folk Nation and People Nation emerged that was the start of the end for racial gangs. Folk nation from what I remember combing Black Gangster Disciples, Black Disciples, Gangster Disciples, La Raza, Cobras (which ended up being taken over by Latin Kings) Eagles, Latin Disciples (the only gang that came close to killing off Latin Kings), Maniac Latin Disciples, Simon City Royals, Spanish, Gangsters, Two Sixers, and I want to say 84 Boys of South.

People Nation consisted of Latin Kings Black P-Stone (one of the two strongest black gangs) Vicelords (other strongest black gang) Spanish Lords
El Rukns, Bishops, Gaylords (strongest white gang), Latin Counts, and Kents

once the alliance came around racial gangs started to die...sure you still have the individual gangs...but they are just a bunch of dumb kids that forgot the reason the gangs were started...especially the hispanic gangs. They were started because of the hate we were getting from white people in America. I don't know how much you know about the Chicago War in the 80s but 100s of kids were getting killed. So how can you compare that to now. We haven't had a gang war like that since it happened.

Now you say the jails are overpacked. They are packed with people of all backgrounds. So how are Americans seeing the bad side of hispanics?? You don't complain when we pick your fruit. You don't complain when we watch your children. You don't complain when cut your lawn, pick up your garbage. Sure you can complain that hispanic immigrants are taking lower wages. But check this out, why can't the white hobo on the street take the same wage?? Why does he have to walk around with stupid signs. Majority of homeless people are white American males. So help me understand that one. Immigrants want to come to America to have a better life, what's wrong with that? They come here and do better for themselves when the people that are from here just walk around like idiots.

You say that illegals are bad easy life seakers. How many illegal immigrants do you know?? How many have you seen that are "bad" When was the last time you heard of illegal immigrants shoot up a school?? Blow up a federal building?? Go and shoot 10 people with a sniper rifle?? How many do you see work for less money but still make a goddamn living. They don't get to have a life like you. But they are still happy. And you can sit here on your computer in the comfort of your house and judge them without evening knowing what you are taking about.

just remember im just a flesh colored ***** that didn't have the luxary to be white.

SubBass49
03-17-2007, 01:08 PM
wow...I joined this thread way too late...I'll just lurk until someone gives me somethin to speak on. Where's the guy that started the thread anyway? I'd like to educate him on some things...

orbit
03-17-2007, 09:09 PM
Are you really that stupid??? Hispanic gangs growing so fast?? Do you really know what you are talking about?? Educate me on the hispanic gangs...I was trying to stay quiet in this thread but that comment is the dumbest thing Ive heard. Let me educate you real quick on hispanic gangs
...

Now you say the jails are overpacked. They are packed with people of all backgrounds. So how are Americans seeing the bad side of hispanics?? You don't complain when we pick your fruit. You don't complain when we watch your children. You don't complain when cut your lawn, pick up your garbage. Sure you can complain that hispanic immigrants are taking lower wages. But check this out, why can't the white hobo on the street take the same wage?? Why does he have to walk around with stupid signs. Majority of homeless people are white American males. So help me understand that one. Immigrants want to come to America to have a better life, what's wrong with that? They come here and do better for themselves when the people that are from here just walk around like idiots.

You say that illegals are bad easy life seakers. How many illegal immigrants do you know?? How many have you seen that are "bad" When was the last time you heard of illegal immigrants shoot up a school?? Blow up a federal building?? Go and shoot 10 people with a sniper rifle?? How many do you see work for less money but still make a goddamn living. They don't get to have a life like you. But they are still happy. And you can sit here on your computer in the comfort of your house and judge them without evening knowing what you are taking about.



Take it easy man, relax, breathe. Ok, now, ready.

I didnt affirm anything what you are questioning me about. I didnt say illegals are bad easy life seekers. I said that a good reason why this issue is getting more important now than before could be that 'americans see more illegals in the corners or illegals who have lot of kids to just ask for help and live for free without work.But we cant generalize millions because of thousands. It would be as think that all legals are good/hardworkers but all illegals are bad/easylife seekers.' Where is my bad?

I agree with you in everything, those pro legals judge illegals as if breaking the law was only a illegal thing, when legals, citizens, whatever status be, commits crimes therefore break the law.

I dont judge anybody, I worked for a legal advocate office in south Texas helping mainly central americans who were prosecuted in their countries, but actually we helped anyone: mexicans, central americans, southamericans, cubans, asians who came here illegally or legally for any reason. I can say Ive seen almost everything related to immigration situations, some extremely emotional. I saw how advocates tried HARD as possible to help those people in any way. We assisted them in preparing their papers, in making them to know their rights, sued immigration officers because abuses against illegals, we tried to give them a voice! And we didnt ask for ANY money. Just a voluntary contribution. So please, dont tell me I judge them because I never did and I never will.
Im not against illegal immigration, Im not against illegals who come here to work to get a better life, Im not against legals who work to get a better life, Im not against people like you who reply his arguments with insults and without read what I wrote first. Im against people as gang members who legals or not, are some of the mainly reasons of why many americans are more anger against all immigrants. And yes, there are white trash gangs, or afroamericans gangs, but most of those racist pro legal activists DONT UNDERSTAND THAT or DONT WANT to understand that.

gaypalmsprings
03-17-2007, 09:38 PM
February 26, 2007
Mexican Trucks Travel Freely In U.S.

Substandard trucks driven by low-paid, unqualified Mexican drivers that will threaten national security and endanger American motorists will travel freely throughout the United States under a new Bush Administration pilot project.

The program will lift the current restrictions in place for Mexican truck companies that deliver goods into the U.S. and must remain within the 25-mile commercial zone along the Southwest border. In about 60 days Mexican truck companies will be free to travel from Mexico throughout the United States and back.

The Department of Transportation quietly announced the program by highlighting how U.S. trucks will, for the first time, be allowed to make deliveries in Mexico as part of a cross border trucking operation. Transportation officials ignored the seriousness of unqualified Mexicans driving big rigs on U.S. highways, instead saying that only a “select “ group of Mexican trucking companies will be allowed to make deliveries and that U.S. inspectors would assure all safety standards are met.

fatbastard
03-17-2007, 09:46 PM
Pizza?


You could grab portions of this thread and replace the word Mexicans with Italians and it would have been the same conversation when they started coming in masses to the United States.

"Hate, it's the only thing that lasts"
Charles Bukowski

jackstraw94086
03-18-2007, 04:08 AM
You could grab portions of this thread and replace the word Mexicans with Italians and it would have been the same conversation when they started coming in masses to the United States.

"Hate, it's the only thing that lasts"
Charles Bukowski

it wasn't illegal though. The italians had the good sense to break their backs only enough to gain the power to start organized crime. industrious people. The mexicans need a mean streak if they want to get ahead. Mean people seem to do well in the world. bless them.

SubBass49
03-18-2007, 06:56 AM
For me, the funny (or sad) thing is that we have the nerve to tell people they can't cross the border without filing paperwork and waiting (years in some cases)...yet in reality their ancestors hold more claim to this land than we (Americans) do. Just find that kind of lame.

gaypalmsprings
03-18-2007, 07:00 AM
For me, the funny (or sad) thing is that we have the nerve to tell people they can't cross the border

Ever heard of Ellis Island?

SubBass49
03-18-2007, 07:02 AM
What about it?

TomAz
03-18-2007, 07:40 AM
I agree with the following points and can support the arguments by showing stills from Hollywood classics.


Are you really that stupid??? Hispanic gangs growing so fast?? Do you really know what you are talking about?? Educate me on the hispanic gangs...I was trying to stay quiet in this thread but that comment is the dumbest thing Ive heard. Let me educate you real quick on hispanic gangs


http://course1.winona.edu/pjohnson/h140/studentsf01/westsidestory/betterrumble.jpg


February 26, 2007
Mexican Trucks Travel Freely In U.S.

Substandard trucks driven by low-paid, unqualified Mexican drivers that will threaten national security and endanger American motorists will travel freely throughout the United States under a new Bush Administration pilot project.


http://image.listen.com/img/356x237/0/8/1/7/737180_356x237.jpg


it wasn't illegal though. The italians had the good sense to break their backs only enough to gain the power to start organized crime. industrious people.

http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/godfather-35088.jpg

RODGERRAMJET
03-18-2007, 11:30 AM
Are you really that stupid??? Hispanic gangs growing so fast?? Do you really know what you are talking about?? Educate me on the hispanic gangs...I was trying to stay quiet in this thread but that comment is the dumbest thing Ive heard. Let me educate you real quick on hispanic gangs

The hispanic gangs are actually less now then they were in the 80s. Lain Kings the king of them all doesn't even make a sound in America. Most hispanic gangs today can't even be called hispanic gangs because the pride for ones culture has been lost. When Folk Nation and People Nation emerged that was the start of the end for racial gangs. Folk nation from what I remember combing Black Gangster Disciples, Black Disciples, Gangster Disciples, La Raza, Cobras (which ended up being taken over by Latin Kings) Eagles, Latin Disciples (the only gang that came close to killing off Latin Kings), Maniac Latin Disciples, Simon City Royals, Spanish, Gangsters, Two Sixers, and I want to say 84 Boys of South.

People Nation consisted of Latin Kings Black P-Stone (one of the two strongest black gangs) Vicelords (other strongest black gang) Spanish Lords
El Rukns, Bishops, Gaylords (strongest white gang), Latin Counts, and Kents

once the alliance came around racial gangs started to die...sure you still have the individual gangs...but they are just a bunch of dumb kids that forgot the reason the gangs were started...especially the hispanic gangs. They were started because of the hate we were getting from white people in America. I don't know how much you know about the Chicago War in the 80s but 100s of kids were getting killed. So how can you compare that to now. We haven't had a gang war like that since it happened.

Now you say the jails are overpacked. They are packed with people of all backgrounds. So how are Americans seeing the bad side of hispanics?? You don't complain when we pick your fruit. You don't complain when we watch your children. You don't complain when cut your lawn, pick up your garbage. Sure you can complain that hispanic immigrants are taking lower wages. But check this out, why can't the white hobo on the street take the same wage?? Why does he have to walk around with stupid signs. Majority of homeless people are white American males. So help me understand that one. Immigrants want to come to America to have a better life, what's wrong with that? They come here and do better for themselves when the people that are from here just walk around like idiots.

You say that illegals are bad easy life seakers. How many illegal immigrants do you know?? How many have you seen that are "bad" When was the last time you heard of illegal immigrants shoot up a school?? Blow up a federal building?? Go and shoot 10 people with a sniper rifle?? How many do you see work for less money but still make a goddamn living. They don't get to have a life like you. But they are still happy. And you can sit here on your computer in the comfort of your house and judge them without evening knowing what you are taking about.

just remember im just a flesh colored ***** that didn't have the luxary to be white.


Okay. Where do I start here? I'm glad I started this thread, and I'm glad to see the--mostly--healthy discussion.........
so here we go.........

>>>>>Hispanic gangs growing so fast?? Do you really know what you are talking about?? Educate me on the hispanic gangs.
>>>>>>>>>>Friends on mine live in a nice community in Southern California called Redlands. They recently sent me a newspaper article (San Bernardino Sun, I think it was) about the growing number of mexican gangs in Redlands. There's something like 800 official gang members, up from less than 100 in the eighties. I know. I know. 800 gang members ain't nothin' compared to Los Angeles, etc. but I'm just sayin' they are increasing. Just this past week in Santa Barbara--did you see the news--two middle school mexican gangs went at it. In Santa Barbara, CA! One 14 year old kid stabbed to death. In Santa Barbara, CA!!! Is no place safe anymore? It makes a person wonder. Oh yeah, we have gang problems in Columbus, Ohio too. The worst I have ever seen. Just talk to the local police. They'll confirm it. Mostly mexicans and blacks dealing in speed, crack, & heroin.

>>>>>sure you still have the individual gangs...but they are just a bunch of dumb kids that forgot the reason the gangs were started...especially the hispanic gangs.
>>>>>>>>>>Sorry, but I beg to differ. Refer to last Wednesday's mexican riot and the death of that 14 year old mexican gangbanger in Santa Barbara, CA.

>>>>>You don't complain when we pick your fruit.
>>>>>>>>>>I'm complaining! All the illegals need to be shipped back to wherever they came. If Dole, Delmonte, etc. upped the wages, they'd have plenty of U.S. citizens to pick their fruit. Hell, I grew up on a farm and bailed hay every summer, ran the combine for the wheat, picked corn, etc. from about the 4th grade on. I think I got paid $2.00 an hour. But that's all irrevelant, I guess. Force farmers, corporate or otherwise, to pay a living wage and they'll be plenty of US citizens lining up to work. It's the wages, stupid, and the illegals are forcing the wages to be artifically LOW. Don't you get it? And if higher pay means I'll have to pay $15.00 for a quart of strawberries, so be it. It's all about supply and demand. I'll eaither pay it, or quit eating strawberries.

>>>>>Immigrants want to come to America to have a better life, what's wrong with that?
>>>>>>>>>>There's absolutely NOTHING wrong with wanting to come to the US. Just do it the RIGHT WAY. I think that's all most of us US citizens are asking.

>>>>>How many illegal immigrants do you know?? How many have you seen that are "bad"
>>>>>>>>>>In my line of work, I know of many illegals--mostly mexicans and el salvadorians. Their kids don't value education at all. Not at all. The most of them, that is. If dad is a gardener and that's good enough for him, the child thinks it's good enough for the child, too. If mom is a hotel worker, the daughter says, "Fine. Mom's doing okay. It's good enough for me, too. Who needs and education? Who needs school?" Now the PARENTS want a better education for their children. I'll agree with that. But the KIDS are the ones who aren't motivated whatsoever. This mentality is so unlike, dare I say, white people. Like I said earlier, my people were all farmers. I grew up on a farm. Just because my dad was a farmer didn't mean I wanted to be a farmer. As a matter of fact, it was the whole reason I DIDN'T want to become a farmer. I worked hard in school, graduated with honors, got my college degrees, and moved on up....I don't see that with most mexican kids. Maybe it's a cultural thing. All they seem to wanna do is drop out of school at 16 and do what their parents did for work, or join gangs and sell drugs. That's my opinion and I'm stickin' to it.

>>>>>They come here and do better for themselves when the people that are from here just walk around like idiots.
>>>>>>>>>>Well, technically, if you're a U.S. citizen, you have the freedom to walk around like an idiot if you so choose. It's a part of our Constitution. It's a part of our Bill Of Rights. Not that I necessarily agree with it. Illegals don't have rights in the U.S. in the same way U.S. citizens do. That's the way it is. Until you're a citizen of this country, you're a guest. Pure and simple. We don't owe you anything. And if you're here illegally, YOU'RE ILLEGAL!!! Why is this concept so hard to understand?

>>>>>When was the last time you heard of illegal immigrants shoot up a school?? Blow up a federal building?? Go and shoot 10 people with a sniper rifle??
>>>>>>>>>>Well, now you're asking a metaphysical question(?), like trying to prove if God exists. We could argue about things like this until the cows come home--oops, guess that's that farmer background coming through ;<)--and not come up with a sure answer. However, I do see the streets of our major cities--including Columbus, Ohio--being shot up in gang warfare, mostly by the blacks and the mexicans. I don't recall any white people in gangs shooting up their cities, but I may be wrong. I guess the mafia did that sort of thing back in the day--Irish mafia, Italian mob, etc.--but they're pretty much out of the picture now.

mountmccabe
03-18-2007, 11:56 AM
And just before I die I'm going to add up all the seconds of my life I've spent on the phone hearing "para espanol, presiona el numero dos" then kick the ghost of jesus in the nuts that many times.

You just need to press 1 quicker. And that has nothing to do with anything as an official language, it's just corporations realizing that they have customers that understand Spanish better than English.



I wonder how Mexico would react to someone illegally entering their country.


They dont have any problem, and usually dont deport people. They dont have why know you are illegal, at least you get in trouble with the police or something like that, you can work and live over there without many problems. Besides that its easier fix papers in Mexico.
Lately they are harder about no letting people (mostly central americans) get in thru their south border because of US gov pressing them to stop the illegal flux thru that border (Chiapas), and not because mexicans dont want illegals..Its known that around 90% of people who cross illegally to Mexico do it with the purpose to reach the north and then cross illegally to US.

Really? That barely makes sense and it doesn't line up with anything I've heard. In fact from what I've seen Americans:Mexicans::Mexicans:Guatamalans. You're gonna get fired from your $15 per day job if your employer can hire three Guatamalans at $5 per day.

Though from what you're saying it sounds like what I'm hearing is the equivalent of right-wing/nationalistic propaganda.

PotVsKtl
03-18-2007, 12:04 PM
I fucking hate Guatemalans.

gaypalmsprings
03-18-2007, 12:06 PM
I fucking hate Guatemalans.

Tell us what you really think. :rotfl

hangthedj112
03-18-2007, 12:15 PM
The thing about gang violence increasing is true, I don't know if it can fully be attributed towards the increase in Hispanic population, but there has been a rise in gang violence over the past few years indefinitely.

fatbastard
03-18-2007, 03:10 PM
it wasn't illegal though. The italians had the good sense to break their backs only enough to gain the power to start organized crime. industrious people. The mexicans need a mean streak if they want to get ahead. Mean people seem to do well in the world. bless them.

Well..I stand corrected.

Moving on with this discussion...I am curious to see how the mean people will move all the Mexicans back to "their" country.

Hannahrain
03-18-2007, 03:44 PM
We don't owe you anything.

Goddamn.
Yeah, I worked really hard to be born in this country. I'm sure you did too. It was brutal. I think I ought to let it be an excuse for me to be a total asshole the rest of my life.

All sarcasm aside, that particular line is really appalling. You and I are nothing more than lucky. I hope someday you realize that.

caco0283
03-18-2007, 03:59 PM
All sarcasm aside, that particular line is really appalling. You and I are nothing more than lucky. I hope someday you realize that.


luck is the word...we are lucky that we popped out of a pussy in CA....or a pussy in NY or a pussy in FL...etc instead of a pussy in Mexico City

i forget what comedian said that....it might of been chris rock but he's right

SubBass49
03-18-2007, 04:11 PM
Friends on mine live in a nice community in Southern California called Redlands. They recently sent me a newspaper article (San Bernardino Sun, I think it was) about the growing number of mexican gangs in Redlands. There's something like 800 official gang members, up from less than 100 in the eighties. I know. I know. 800 gang members ain't nothin' compared to Los Angeles, etc. but I'm just sayin' they are increasing. Just this past week in Santa Barbara--did you see the news--two middle school mexican gangs went at it. In Santa Barbara, CA! One 14 year old kid stabbed to death. In Santa Barbara, CA!!! Is no place safe anymore? It makes a person wonder. Oh yeah, we have gang problems in Columbus, Ohio too. The worst I have ever seen. Just talk to the local police. They'll confirm it. Mostly mexicans and blacks dealing in speed, crack, & heroin.

Uh oh...violence is moving into the burbs...everyone panic! It wasn't a problem when it was only in the hood/barrio...now that it's in "Santa Barbara, CA!" it's a problem. When it was in the hood where were you complainers? Oh yeah...sittin comfortably in your living room watching it on TV and talking bad about "those" people.


Sorry, but I beg to differ. Refer to last Wednesday's mexican riot and the death of that 14 year old mexican gangbanger in Santa Barbara, CA.


So when there were riots and criminal behavior amongst the Italian and Irish populations when they were "new" to America, did we box them up and ship them out? Nope. In fact, I challenge you to find a single historical instance of any European-americans that were rounded up and shipped back to their homelands. It only seems to happen when there is brown skin involved.


I'm complaining! All the illegals need to be shipped back to wherever they came. If Dole, Delmonte, etc. upped the wages, they'd have plenty of U.S. citizens to pick their fruit. Hell, I grew up on a farm and bailed hay every summer, ran the combine for the wheat, picked corn, etc. from about the 4th grade on. I think I got paid $2.00 an hour. But that's all irrevelant, I guess. Force farmers, corporate or otherwise, to pay a living wage and they'll be plenty of US citizens lining up to work. It's the wages, stupid, and the illegals are forcing the wages to be artifically LOW. Don't you get it? And if higher pay means I'll have to pay $15.00 for a quart of strawberries, so be it. It's all about supply and demand. I'll eaither pay it, or quit eating strawberries.

Where did you get your data on wage influence from? Last I remember, there was a study being released that showed undocumented workers actually had a positive influence on the US economy, and their low wages helped to offset costs for fruits & vegetables and leaves more cash in the pockets of Americans than if we got rid of them. It's a nice Ayn Rand argument about not buying fresh fruits & veggies if you dont feel the cost is fair, but when the nation's already failing health gets worse, it becomes not an issue of free-market, but of stupidity. You see, that would create a system of those who have money having good health, and those with no money having poor health. But I guess in a way that's already true isn't it?


There's absolutely NOTHING wrong with wanting to come to the US. Just do it the RIGHT WAY. I think that's all most of us US citizens are asking.

The RIGHT WAY as you call it means waiting several months, if not years. I know a good personal friend that I taught with for several years who had to MOVE to the Phillipines because US Immigration was taking upwards of 3 years to process his WIFE'S application just to come to the states. He quit teaching and packed up his shit. The "RIGHT WAY" is bullshit. It's made to be difficult for people from poor countries on purpose. Talk to an immigration attorney if you don't believe me.


In my line of work, I know of many illegals--mostly mexicans and el salvadorians. Their kids don't value education at all. Not at all. The most of them, that is. If dad is a gardener and that's good enough for him, the child thinks it's good enough for the child, too. If mom is a hotel worker, the daughter says, "Fine. Mom's doing okay. It's good enough for me, too. Who needs and education? Who needs school?" Now the PARENTS want a better education for their children. I'll agree with that. But the KIDS are the ones who aren't motivated whatsoever. This mentality is so unlike, dare I say, white people. Like I said earlier, my people were all farmers. I grew up on a farm. Just because my dad was a farmer didn't mean I wanted to be a farmer. As a matter of fact, it was the whole reason I DIDN'T want to become a farmer. I worked hard in school, graduated with honors, got my college degrees, and moved on up....I don't see that with most mexican kids. Maybe it's a cultural thing. All they seem to wanna do is drop out of school at 16 and do what their parents did for work, or join gangs and sell drugs. That's my opinion and I'm stickin' to it.

This may be true for SOME kids of illegal immigrants, but I wouldn't venture to say for most. What happens most often is that the kids grow up knowing that their parents can be taken away at any time and sent back to their country of origin. They know that if they themselves don't have a social security number, then their chances of going to college with financial aid are slim to none. I know plenty of kids "without papers" who are near the top of their class and want nothing more than to go to college and get their education. People like you would have them deported. At the end you say it's your opinion, and that sums it up...it's your biased/nationalist/racist opinion. You generalize these kids because of where they are from and nothing more. You see them as "those people" rather than just people.


Well, technically, if you're a U.S. citizen, you have the freedom to walk around like an idiot if you so choose. It's a part of our Constitution. It's a part of our Bill Of Rights. Not that I necessarily agree with it. Illegals don't have rights in the U.S. in the same way U.S. citizens do. That's the way it is. Until you're a citizen of this country, you're a guest. Pure and simple. We don't owe you anything. And if you're here illegally, YOU'RE ILLEGAL!!! Why is this concept so hard to understand?

So what paperwork did the Pilgrims present to the NATIVE Americans to legalize their arrival and occupation of America? How about Columbus? Did he file his forms on time and submit his fees? Hmmm...somehow I dont think they did.


Well, now you're asking a metaphysical question(?), like trying to prove if God exists. We could argue about things like this until the cows come home--oops, guess that's that farmer background coming through ;<)--and not come up with a sure answer. However, I do see the streets of our major cities--including Columbus, Ohio--being shot up in gang warfare, mostly by the blacks and the mexicans. I don't recall any white people in gangs shooting up their cities, but I may be wrong. I guess the mafia did that sort of thing back in the day--Irish mafia, Italian mob, etc.--but they're pretty much out of the picture now.

So what is to say that the Mexican gangs of today aren't the same as the mafia & mob back in the day? You have white gangs just as bad or worse than minority gangs. Take a look at the East Coast and tell me you don't have extremely violent White gangs. How about neo-nazis? Nazi Low Riders? Aryan Nation? Gangsters are gangsters...regardless of national origin. When you say stuff like "the Blacks" and "the Mexicans" it really shows your true colors. You group them all together as one...gangsters or not...educated or not...

SubBass49
03-18-2007, 04:13 PM
luck is the word...we are lucky that we popped out of a pussy in CA....or a pussy in NY or a pussy in FL...etc instead of a pussy in Mexico City

i forget what comedian said that....it might of been chris rock but he's right

I think it was Bill Hicks when asked by europeans if he was proud to be an American.

He said something like..."well, I dunno...I really didnt have that much to do with it...my parents FUCKED there..."

"I was in the spirit realm at that point...saying...FUCK IN PARIS...FUCK IN PARIS..."

Pretty sure that was Bill Hicks you were thinking of.

-- J

cazzopazzo
03-18-2007, 05:04 PM
i love this thread. YEAH, you fucking popped out of a pussy. You also had a lot to do with where you were born. i put in my request 3 years prior to my birth to be born in a middle to upper-class, predominantly white neighborhood, and it worked!!! luckily i got CALIFORNIA too. thank gOD, i love this place. i love all the people here too. except the people who complain about other people. they should get the fuck out.

!!!SAVE CALIFORNIA FROM ALL THE COMPLAINERS!!!!

you all are just delaying peace. its been about 230 years since the legitimacy of this government who filled up a country against the will of another people. THE PILGRIMS WERE THE FIRST WETBACKS. there after, this country experienced illegal immigration from many many countries.

go watch "A day without mexicans"

and then, smoke a bowl of marijuana and try harder to understand others.

dedzilla
03-18-2007, 05:47 PM
My two cents: Okay, we get it. Maybe we could reform our immigration laws. Part of me is in agreement. But when did this sort of reform require racist comments or attitudes? And what backwater city are some of you from where that sort of thing is actually okay? I love Amurica too, but you don't see me degrading anyone not of my color or nationality.

Also, there was mention of "a lot of" or "most" illegal immigrants whose children aspire to be nothing but gardeners or janitors. Well first of all, I sincerely doubt this is true. But even if it was, who cares if someone wants to become a janitor. Maybe they really like doing other things when they're not cleaning floors, like spending time with their grandkids. Someone has to do it. Not everyone can be a lawyer, a doctor, or a web developer.

Furthermore, when did a Spanish phone tree become a serious problem?
Like why do you have a problem with pressing #1 instead of #2? And if you live that far south, what's wrong with learning a second language? I like that sort of thing. Plus, other countries do it too. This is not a new concept. If you don't want to, fine. But don't piss on other people who don't have a problem learning more than one language. Maybe you should try it.

Finally, someone mentioned Spanish seems to be the only language we accommodate. Up here, we have people who speak French as well. It's in some of our menus and generally included in most of the instructions or products, depending on how far north you live. So there ya go. Maybe someone needs to get out more.

P.S. Does the U.S. actually have an official language at the federal level? I'm pretty sure English is just the predominant language, and only the official language in about half the states. But I could be wrong?

gaypalmsprings
03-18-2007, 05:54 PM
que?

Omar1
03-18-2007, 06:02 PM
whO would you rather deport? an illegal immigrant or a hating racist asshole?

RODDARRAMJET gets his news from The Scumbernardino Sun, what else can you expect?

SubBass49
03-18-2007, 06:13 PM
MUCH rather deport racists...we could send them to the nations with the people they hate the most and let them experience life as a minority. Might be educational...lol.

cazzopazzo
03-18-2007, 06:56 PM
highly agreed. que? haha. i would totally like to deport the assholes. its a pretty easy decision.
im white, but i would rather converse with someone different looking with me, because i hold the predisposition that i can learn more from people different from me. i think that is something more white people should indulge in.
you can learn a lot more from foreign women too.

WOOOOOO. TEAM AMERICA, FUCK YEAH.

jackstraw94086
03-18-2007, 10:00 PM
You just need to press 1 quicker. And that has nothing to do with anything as an official language, it's just corporations realizing that they have customers that understand Spanish better than English.


A) you don't generally know to press 1 or 2 until they begin the whole shpiel in the first place.

B) numbers don't always allow you to press 1 until the several seconds after the menu options have begun.

C) It's mostly government lines that I have this beef with, not corporations.

D) it's a fuckin joke.

codytwo
03-18-2007, 10:06 PM
This whole issue is depressing. It sucks when someone you respected and looked up to exposes you to the ugly racist in them, and that seems to be happening more and more recently, with this illegal immigration bullshit.

jackstraw94086
03-18-2007, 10:38 PM
name names.

codytwo
03-18-2007, 10:40 PM
no thanks.

jackstraw94086
03-18-2007, 10:44 PM
wuss

orbit
03-18-2007, 10:47 PM
Really? That barely makes sense and it doesn't line up with anything I've heard. In fact from what I've seen Americans:Mexicans::Mexicans:Guatamalans. You're gonna get fired from your $15 per day job if your employer can hire three Guatamalans at $5 per day.

Though from what you're saying it sounds like what I'm hearing is the equivalent of right-wing/nationalistic propaganda.

Uh? Why doesnt make sanse? 90& of central americans who cross to Mexico do it with the purpose to head north. But just about 20% reach US.
Ive talked with mexicans immigration officers, they told me that they dont receive 'strict' orders to deport illegals, although they do sometimes. The problems over there happen because of corrupt militars who abuse central americans and even steal their money before deport them. But Mexico is working also in a work program for illegal people in its territory. Central americans who came here as illegals told me about many little towns in Mexico whose people always give bags full of food to the illegals riding on top of trains. Very nice people's gesture.



Also, there was mention of "a lot of" or "most" illegal immigrants whose children aspire to be nothing but gardeners or janitors. Well first of all, I sincerely doubt this is true. But even if it was, who cares if someone wants to become a janitor. Maybe they really like doing other things when they're not cleaning floors, like spending time with their grandkids. Someone has to do it. Not everyone can be a lawyer, a doctor, or a web developer.


Actually, i am seeing everytime more and more hispanics guys who study really hard to get a profession. And even having less good life conditions than americans, some of them are much better students than thosewhite ones.
Id prefer to see an illegal going to a university to study hard than a white who goes to one only to show his new car what daddy bought for him.

J~$$$
03-19-2007, 07:27 AM
This has nothing to do with the argument of hating or loving illegal personas...I just liked the picture in the article.mmmmm...money.


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/world/mexico/stories/031707dnintlmexdrugwar.3a8c12a.html

gaypalmsprings
03-19-2007, 07:35 AM
so, illegal immigrants & racists are mutually exclusive groups?

caco0283
03-19-2007, 07:39 AM
Meanwhile, the wave of shootings has prompted mass police resignations in several key states – among them, more than 300 in Nuevo León and dozens more in the state of Chihuahua

awesome they have a state called Chihuahua...that is so Mexican

codytwo
03-19-2007, 12:06 PM
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/03-07/0317drugmoney.jpg

Jesus titty-fucking Christ.

J~$$$
03-19-2007, 12:16 PM
white people love their meth.

codytwo
03-19-2007, 12:32 PM
racist

dedzilla
03-20-2007, 01:39 PM
Actually, i am seeing everytime more and more hispanics guys who study really hard to get a profession. And even having less good life conditions than americans, some of them are much better students than thosewhite ones.
Id prefer to see an illegal going to a university to study hard than a white who goes to one only to show his new car what daddy bought for him.

Yah, I would too. For the record, people with enough money for college who blow off their studies make me a little angry (and jealous). Sometimes I want to knock on their parent's door and say something like "Adopt me! I study!" And I highly doubt whoever's generalization was accurate. I'm justing pointing out that it shouldn't matter either way.

jackstraw94086
03-20-2007, 02:01 PM
Actually, i am seeing everytime more and more hispanics guys who study really hard to get a profession. And even having less good life conditions than americans, some of them are much better students than thosewhite ones.
Id prefer to see an illegal going to a university to study hard than a white who goes to one only to show his new car what daddy bought for him.

There are more equalizing factors in the real world than you realize. You make it seem like smart people are screwed, and rich white people are stupid by default. The minorities who are truly successful in the real world generally don't carry that chip on their shoulders. You can pick out examples of rich white people who are stupid till you're blue in the face. Watch where it gets you.

SubBass49
03-27-2007, 04:32 AM
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bartelby
03-27-2007, 05:57 AM
There are more equalizing factors in the real world than you realize. You make it seem like smart people are screwed, and rich white people are stupid by default. The minorities who are truly successful in the real world generally don't carry that chip on their shoulders. You can pick out examples of rich white people who are stupid till you're blue in the face. Watch where it gets you.

well said

orbit
03-27-2007, 08:16 AM
There are more equalizing factors in the real world than you realize. You make it seem like smart people are screwed, and rich white people are stupid by default. The minorities who are truly successful in the real world generally don't carry that chip on their shoulders. You can pick out examples of rich white people who are stupid till you're blue in the face. Watch where it gets you.

Right, but I didnt mean it as a whole by default. I should put 'some of them' then. I meant that illegals are not destined to be future gardeners or janitors by default.

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12-20-2007, 06:51 PM
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