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sfguitarist
03-09-2007, 02:05 PM
Just like Tool last year, Coachella provides very few (but compelling) reasons for someone from Northern California to trek down to that Conservative dustbowl. But, dammit, it's Rage Against the Machine! Bjork and RHCP are other good reasons but 95% of the rest of those bands suck. What do those indie kids see in them?

Rage should tear it up. Can't wait to see them in NORTHERN California.

Tylerdurden31
03-09-2007, 02:06 PM
leave now

Vericuester
03-09-2007, 02:07 PM
Wow. I never thought other Rage fans would make me dislike Rage. This really sucks. I used to really like Rage Against the Machine, but I just can't now.

AEversW
03-09-2007, 02:07 PM
:lool

JOEJOEJOE
03-09-2007, 02:08 PM
Just like Tool last year, Coachella provides very few (but compelling) reasons for someone from Northern California to trek down to that Conservative dustbowl. But, dammit, it's Rage Against the Machine! Bjork and RHCP are other good reasons but 95% of the rest of those bands suck. What do those indie kids see in them?

Rage should tear it up. Can't wait to see them in NORTHERN California.

Damn, all of the indie kids will really miss you.......sure you won't reconsider, ya jerk-off,ya!

Tylerdurden31
03-09-2007, 02:09 PM
Wow. I never thought other Rage fans would make me dislike Rage. This really sucks. I used to really like Rage Against the Machine, but I just can't now.

I've never understood not liking a band because of their fans.

Vericuester
03-09-2007, 02:12 PM
Maybe it's not that. Maybe it's people going "Rage is the best band in the world" and going on about how they're going to riot. Sure, riots are fun, but I want to see a show for the performers, not for the audience being stupid.

sfguitarist
03-09-2007, 02:12 PM
It could be worse. This 5% talent, 95% poser band fest could be held in a Red State.

roberto73
03-09-2007, 02:13 PM
At 33, can I still be considered an "indie kid"? If not, how do I fit into your equation? Please elaborate. I desire to be stereotyped.

Tylerdurden31
03-09-2007, 02:15 PM
It could be worse. This 5% talent, 95% poser band fest could be held in a Red State.

and who would you have had at this "poser band fest"?

sfguitarist
03-09-2007, 02:16 PM
Nothing "indie"/independent about most "indie" bands today. Most are a far cry from true "indie" bands like Pavement. They are pretty mainstream and dull, with not much talent or much to say. Rage Against the Machine at least has something to say and are freakin' talented.

Why would I want to listen to an "indie" band whine on about nonsense while strumming a boring straight 4/4 tempo over and over again while wearing the latest "indie" fashion? That's what is wrong with most music - it's more style over substance.

If you're into that, cool for you. I'm not. Enjoy!

Tylerdurden31
03-09-2007, 02:18 PM
have you heard anymore than 5% of the acts that are going to be there?

Vericuester
03-09-2007, 02:20 PM
Well, a few bands from Touch and Go Records are gonna be there. Like !!! and Blonde Redhead. I don't even know if the record label has much of an impact. I'm sure there are bands that play indie music that aren't even signed to an indie label. Is that still indie or is indie a musical style too?

AEversW
03-09-2007, 02:21 PM
Rage is mainstream pop music and their politics are rather far from reality. Get a life.

kreutz2112
03-09-2007, 02:22 PM
I love the line-up section.

Vericuester
03-09-2007, 02:22 PM
Yeah, that's what irks me now about them. Their label just discredits them a bit. I don't know if I can accept the excuse about wanting to appeal to a wider audience. The wider audience doesn't seem as if they care about the issues they raise.

brycerosen
03-09-2007, 02:23 PM
Just like Tool last year, Coachella provides very few (but compelling) reasons for someone from Northern California to trek down to that Conservative dustbowl. But, dammit, it's Rage Against the Machine! Bjork and RHCP are other good reasons but 95% of the rest of those bands suck. What do those indie kids see in them?

Rage should tear it up. Can't wait to see them in NORTHERN California.

Nor Cal huh, what makes Indio conservative? your hella stupid

brycerosen
03-09-2007, 02:24 PM
Rage is mainstream pop music and their politics are rather far from reality. Get a life.

how is rage pop?

Tylerdurden31
03-09-2007, 02:25 PM
how is rage pop?

pop = popular music

in the 80s Motley Crue was pop
in the 90s Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Rage were pop
in the late 90s NSync, Britney and Backstreet Boys were pop

deal with the term

skavenbrew
03-09-2007, 02:26 PM
I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberries.

sfguitarist
03-09-2007, 02:27 PM
I've heard enough to figure out I don't want to hear more. And, FYI, I do like bands like Build to Spill, Modest Mouse, Hella!, Flaming Lips, Pavement but not bands like the White Stripes, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Interpol, and Belle and Sebastian. There IS a difference.

Like I said, if you're into those other crap bands, cool. Just my opinion. All I'm saying, is that I tend to agree with Rage's guitarist when he said:

"A good song should make you wanna tap your feet and get with your girl. A great song should destroy cops and set fire to the suburbs. I’m only interested in writing great songs." Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine

Most of the bands at Coachella either make me want to tap my foot, fall asleep or punch their sorry-unoriginal-poser faces. I guess the last one isn't that bad. But bands like Rage make me want to take it out more on our government (more than I already do).

Life is too short to waste my money on some little indie band who is in it to get chicks and fit in to their faux-"indie" band while being delusionally unorginal and trendy.

Isn't choice great?

sonofhal
03-09-2007, 02:28 PM
sfguitarist=only reason not to go to san francisco?

HEADSTRUCK
03-09-2007, 02:28 PM
Wow. I never thought other Rage fans would make me dislike Rage. This really sucks. I used to really like Rage Against the Machine, but I just can't now.

dont dislike a great band because of a few dumbasses...i am a huge rage fan but in no way are they the only reason to go.......

blastyourears
03-09-2007, 02:28 PM
You make me want to chuck pennys into the RATM crowd.....

skavenbrew
03-09-2007, 02:28 PM
Please come. It won't be the same without you.

AEversW
03-09-2007, 02:28 PM
if there is one "poser" band at Coachella it would be Rage.

HEADSTRUCK
03-09-2007, 02:29 PM
Rage is mainstream pop music and their politics are rather far from reality. Get a life.

dumbass....

faxman75
03-09-2007, 02:29 PM
FREE ABDUL JABAAR FREE ABDUL JABAR

HEADSTRUCK
03-09-2007, 02:30 PM
FREE ABDUL JABAAR FREE ABDUL JABAR

again....dumbass

Tylerdurden31
03-09-2007, 02:30 PM
"A good song should make you wanna tap your feet and get with your girl. A great song should destroy cops and set fire to the suburbs. I’m only interested in writing great songs." Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine

I love Rage...but that's just a dumb statement. If music can move you emotionally in some way. It's great music...for whoever's feeling it. If for whatever reason Sexyback made someone cry...good or bad, it's a great song for them. Any song that can make someone feel something...that's great.

AEversW
03-09-2007, 02:30 PM
dumbass....

well they are pop and their politics are stupid....music might be great but they are pop.

sfguitarist
03-09-2007, 02:35 PM
Great. A bunch of Republican Neanderthal inbreds from Bakersfield are going to be there. Another reason not to go.

invisiblerobots
03-09-2007, 02:36 PM
your hella stupid

Geez, at least figure out the difference between your and you're before you go calling someone stupid.

AEversW
03-09-2007, 02:38 PM
Great. A bunch of Republican Neanderthal inbreds from Bakersfield are going to be there. Another reason not to go.

hahahahaha....hahahahaha....hahahaha. So just because im not a Marxist like rage means im a republican...for your info im a registared Independent. I assume you own an ibanez guitar?

Tylerdurden31
03-09-2007, 02:39 PM
hahahahaha....hahahahaha....hahahaha. So just because im not a Marxist like rage means im a republican...for your info im a registared Independent. I assume you own an ibanez guitar?

and a digitech whammy

AEversW
03-09-2007, 02:44 PM
and some sort of Marshall amp...speaking of amps my Vox totally just blew a speaker fuck!

sfguitarist
03-09-2007, 02:45 PM
No, of course I only use a Fender Mustang with a Vox AC-30 because that is what every other "indie" poser uses instead of being original. Oh, can't forget the Fuzz Face. Great for making that cookie-cutter music.

sfguitarist
03-09-2007, 02:46 PM
Wow! I actually guessed what amp you had. Thanks for being so predictable like every other talentless "indie" poser. But it really doesn't matter as long as you wear the right "indie" garb.

1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4

Tylerdurden31
03-09-2007, 02:46 PM
No, of course I only use a Fender Mustang with a Vox AC-30 because that is what every other "indie" poser uses instead of being original. Oh, can't forget the Fuzz Face. Great for making that cookie-cutter music.

I'm very much convinced you haven't listened to as many bands that are playing as you think you have.

Mr.Nipples
03-09-2007, 02:46 PM
hahahahaha....hahahahaha....hahahaha. So just because im not a Marxist like rage means im a republican...for your info im a registared Independent. I assume you own an ibanez guitar?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAH.......hey i own an ibanez...its greenwooded out but its an ibanez...

baddream
03-09-2007, 02:51 PM
But bands like Rage make me want to take it out more on our government (more than I already do).




:rolleyes :p

sfguitarist
03-09-2007, 02:51 PM
Actually, I use 2 Mesa Boogie 4X12 cabs, 2 Mesa Boogie 2X12 cabs, with a rack containing my 200 Watt Mesa Boogie Dual-Rectifier and Triaxis/2:90 amps and Budda heads and Modulus Guitars just for the specific purpose of scaring the crap out of suburban indie posers. Works like a charm.

Mr.Nipples
03-09-2007, 02:51 PM
Wow! I actually guessed what amp you had. Thanks for being so predictable like every other talentless "indie" poser. But it really doesn't matter as long as you wear the right "indie" garb.

1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4

please just shut the fuck up...

Mr.Nipples
03-09-2007, 02:52 PM
Actually, I use 2 Mesa Boogie 4X12 cabs, 2 Mesa Boogie 2X12 cabs, with a rack containing my 200 Watt Mesa Boogie Dual-Rectifier and Triaxis/2:90 amps and Budda heads and Modulus Guitars just for the specific purpose of scaring the crap out of suburban indie posers. Works like a charm.

mesa sucks...

sonofhal
03-09-2007, 02:52 PM
Amp - Pah!, Guitar? - No Ta! It's all about the plectrum.

Tylerdurden31
03-09-2007, 02:52 PM
Actually, I use 2 Mesa Boogie 4X12 cabs, 2 Mesa Boogie 2X12 cabs, with a rack containing my 200 Watt Mesa Boogie Dual-Rectifier and Triaxis/2:90 amps and Budda heads and Modulus Guitars just for the specific purpose of scaring the crap out of suburban indie posers. Works like a charm.

so....you use big amps...congrats...who would you want to play at coachella....answer me for once

AEversW
03-09-2007, 02:52 PM
Wow! I actually guessed what amp you had. Thanks for being so predictable like every other talentless "indie" poser. But it really doesn't matter as long as you wear the right "indie" garb.

1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4

yep you're right oh and i don't "shred" either...that must me im a poser and not as cool as all the douche bags that have ibanez guitars with marshall shit stacks who try to play fast boring emotionless music because they have a small penis. I bet your guitar has 24 frets too.

AEversW
03-09-2007, 02:53 PM
mesa sucks...

Mesa is worse then Marshall. hahah fall out boy uses mesa.

sfguitarist
03-09-2007, 02:54 PM
I'm not into shredder bands either. Try Neurosis.

sonofhal
03-09-2007, 02:55 PM
Try Neurosis.

There seems to be plenty to go around.

AEversW
03-09-2007, 02:55 PM
I'm not into shredder bands either. Try Neurosis.

haha that explains everything.

kimery08
03-09-2007, 02:59 PM
this thread = only reason to kill myself. or you. yea, ima go with you.

sfguitarist
03-09-2007, 03:00 PM
Any combination of these artists:

Tool
Radiohead
The Police
Queens of the Stone Age
Tom Waits
Cake
Hella!
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Morrissey
The Cure
Cocteau Twins
PJ Harvey
NIN
Neurosis
Mr. Bungle
Tomahawk
Rancid
Green Day
Danzig
Chris Cornell
Lucinda Williams
Modest Mouse
Built to Spill
Fiona Apple


Most new bands suck, but that's always been true more or less. Nothing changed. All I am saying is that it takes a few really good artists to make me want to travel all the way down there. Otherwise, I'll just catch great bands here locally.

Why be bored by talentless crap? And why are you "indie" kids so bent out of shape? Relax. Go listen to some Shins or something.

evoluti0n
03-09-2007, 03:02 PM
Can't we all just get along, express our opinions and move on...? It was funny reading the posts up until this point...I have an Ibanez guitar, a small Marshall kicker amp, and a Digitech pedal. Seroiusly, that was really funny.

sfguitarist
03-09-2007, 03:04 PM
Yeah, go jingle a couple strings through that Vox. I like Vox amps but most "indie" kids are so predictable. I just sold a vintage Marshall Plexi and Fender Twin Reverb to get Mesas and Budda amps - great Northern California companies. They blow the doors off any amp out there.

I'm happy to sound more like old Metallica, Soundgarden and Bad Brains (who used Mesas) than the Shins. zzzzzzzzzz But of course, I'd rather just sound original. I know that's a difficult concept to grasp for some people.

AEversW
03-09-2007, 03:07 PM
Yeah, go jingle a couple strings through that Vox. I like Vox amps but most "indie" kids are so predictable. I just sold a vintage Marshall Plexi and Fender Twin Reverb to get Mesas and Budda amps - great Northern California companies. They blow the doors off any amp out there.

I'm happy to sound more like old Metallica, Soundgarden and Bad Brains (who used Mesas) than the Shins. zzzzzzzzzz But of course, I'd rather just sound original. I know that's a difficult concept to grasp for some people.

dude from the shins uses an ampeg head into a mesa cab...

Mr.Nipples
03-09-2007, 03:09 PM
honestly who gives 2 shits what the fuck you play through...go buy a ticket to rock the bells and shut the fuck up.

Mr.Nipples
03-09-2007, 03:09 PM
animal collective uses mesa's...ughhh.

evoluti0n
03-09-2007, 03:10 PM
honestly who gives 2 shits what the fuck you play through...go buy a ticket to rock the bells and shut the fuck up.

ha ha ha ha ha

sfguitarist
03-09-2007, 03:11 PM
Yeah, The Shins whose song "New Slang" is on a McDonalds TV ad. How "indie".

evoluti0n
03-09-2007, 03:13 PM
That makes me want to eat a double cheeseburger...

Mr.Nipples
03-09-2007, 03:17 PM
bob dylan wrote a song for victorias secret...who gives a shit?

psychic friend
03-09-2007, 03:17 PM
i remember sfguitarist from the old board. nothing has changed i see.

JOEJOEJOE
03-09-2007, 03:31 PM
I have a Gretsch guitar, a Vox Amp, and Cabinets from Office Depot.....man, they crank when it comes to storing my files!

And believe you me, I SHREAD!

When it comes time that I no longer need to retain certain documents, I Shred them like Ritchie Blackmore!

faxman75
03-09-2007, 03:33 PM
Nothing worse than listening to hobby guitarists talk equipment


worst thread ever......

:)

malcolmjamalawesome
03-09-2007, 03:39 PM
Raging is the only reason to go to Coachella.

PaulStrayer
03-09-2007, 03:49 PM
Just like Tool last year, Coachella provides very few (but compelling) reasons for someone from Northern California to trek down to that Conservative dustbowl. But, dammit, it's Rage Against the Machine! Bjork and RHCP are other good reasons but 95% of the rest of those bands suck. What do those indie kids see in them?

Rage should tear it up. Can't wait to see them in NORTHERN California.


Is it lonely up there on your pedestal?

rage patton
03-09-2007, 04:21 PM
Wow. Your kind of an idiot.
I will admit, Rage was HUGE factor in me deciding to go... but they are not the only good on this bill by far!
There are TONS of other good acts that I am so incredibly stoked to go watch this year.
Dont say Rage is the only reason to go. You are the kind of person who gives us Rage fans a bad name. Rage is definately the act I am most excited to see, but common! Your just giving the people who dont like Rage a reason to hate us more and wish Rage wasnt playing. Rage playing this year was supposed to be about uniting! You seem to like quoting Tom Morello. Did you hear what he had to say about this show? Basically, he wants everyone to feel united during Rages set. Not the great divide that is evidently shown here. If you are going only for Rage, whatever. But you dont need to tell the world. And if you are going to Coachella... dont ruin it for everyone else too. Rage may like to fight, riot and rebel and whatever. But I can garuntee you they sure as hell don't want you to ruin everyone elses experince. They are socialists after all.... they want everyone to have an equal experience.
Oh and by the way, dont boo Manu Chao while he is on the main stage before Rage. Please. He is an incredibly talented and eclectic musician, listen to his music, you may even like it.
Thank you all for enduring my rant :)

sfguitarist
03-09-2007, 04:26 PM
Like I said, Rage and Bjork are the only real amazing talent on the list. Most of the rest are just fillers. (only in my opinion of course)

sfguitarist
03-09-2007, 04:28 PM
Ah yes. The moderator that loves to express her one-sided opinions. I know you missed me. Wouldn't it be great if sports referees were like you. You know, cheering on one team while pretending to judge evenly.

I'm Rosetta Stoned
03-09-2007, 04:45 PM
I'm stoked to see Interpole, Arcade Fire, The Roots, Tiesto, Justice, and Blonde Redhead. However RATM is what makes this festival AWSOME instead of just good....

ThomThom
03-09-2007, 04:53 PM
Like I said, Rage and Bjork are the only real amazing talent on the list. Most of the rest are just fillers. (only in my opinion of course)

Although it hurts me so much to say this to you...you are entitled to one...*sigh*

rage patton
03-09-2007, 05:00 PM
Like I said, Rage and Bjork are the only real amazing talent on the list. Most of the rest are just fillers. (only in my opinion of course)

Fine whatever... just dont boo Manu Chao or chant "Rage" while he is on stage. He deserves respect.
I wasnt there last year, but I feel bad for the Massive Attack fans whose experience was ruined by some asshole Tool fans.

sfguitarist
03-09-2007, 05:16 PM
Well, FYI, I'm a Massive Attack fan. They were great. Yeah, there are fans that ruin it for the rest. I love Tool but not for the same reason some redneck from Texas, say, may. It's not because they are heavy because I don't care for most other heavy bands.

I like unique music. There are only 2 types of music to me - good and bad. Although I am bashing on "indie" fans, I do like some "indie" bands, but just like metal, alternative, jazz and any other kind of music, there are only about 5% of the artists that I truly love.

"Indie" fans are the "glam rock" fans of the late 80s or the Grunge fans of the late 90s. Same thing. Something takes off and all these ripoff bands try to cash in and all these trendy kids jump on the bandwagon. I hate trends.

I am happy to love a few GREAT bands and my devotion is intense. That's just how I am. Quality over quantity. Some bands will be remembered for decades/centuries while others are a passing fad. Joy Division will be remembered 20 years from now while Interpol won't. The former was truly original while the latter was a knockoff that relied on image over substance.

faxman75
03-09-2007, 05:21 PM
I still love glams rock and alt grunge. I like Inidi to.

If you like that kind of music how does it make you trendy? You like what you like.

rage patton
03-09-2007, 05:23 PM
"Indie" fans are the "glam rock" fans of the late 80s or the Grunge fans of the late 90s. Same thing. Something takes off and all these ripoff bands try to cash in and all these trendy kids jump on the bandwagon. I hate trends.

Well then I am glad you wont be disruptive. I also understand what you mean, for the most part. And Im sure all of here are glad you can rationally talk about it now.
However, I would argue "emo kids" are the new glam and hair-metal fans. Thier music is easily the most popular and best selling. They also have the whole "look is more important than the music" thing going on. Know what I mean?
I would say indie or "scene" kids are less distinguishable then emo kids. You see hear a person say emo kid, and you know exectly what they mean. You say "indie" or "scene" and people usually have a vague idea.
Either way, emo sucks.

faxman75
03-09-2007, 05:32 PM
Jimmy Eat World is listenable Emo.

NeverMyopic
03-09-2007, 05:38 PM
I love Rage...but that's just a dumb statement. If music can move you emotionally in some way. It's great music...for whoever's feeling it. If for whatever reason Sexyback made someone cry...good or bad, it's a great song for them. Any song that can make someone feel something...that's great.

Td31, you're trying to preach to a bunch of narrow minded idiots. I understand and believe your quote. Obviously this sebaceous, shit head, doesn't know anything about a lot of the other bands at Coachella. Or, he/she is just trying to get a rise out people who truly care about the festival and understanding and appreciating music - even if a lot is something you don't like.

I used to like Rage; I've seen them twice (as I've stated before) in their heyday. They're just one of those bands that I've slowly stopped listening to. Once in a while I turn them on, but vary rarely.

Lastly, why are people who don't really want to see Rage (or do) stereotyped as "Indie"! That is just ridiculous. I suppose the people who are their for the electronic and hip hop acts are Indie-ites as well. People like what they like; some including myself, like a lot of different kind of music - most of which is showcased at Coachella.

sfguitarist, get educated before you start some stupid ass thread about the festival being lame, if only for Rage. Some of the bands you listed are in fact "very" Indie, and at least you have taste in those, but your comments are pretty ridiculous with no substance. You should really open your mind a little more and research some of the bands, you might be surprised.

rage patton
03-09-2007, 05:38 PM
I wouldnt say Jimmy Eat World are emo.
And if you classify them emo, there are nowhere near the terrible calibre of My Chemical Romance, Thursday, Senses Fail, Hawthorne Heights, Taking Back Sunday, Underoath, I could name all the incredibly shitty emo bands here. But there are WAY to many.
Anyways, some people also classify Weezer as emo.
But the emo I am talking about, is the sterotypical emo. The kind of emo the kids with the hair short in the back, long in the front, hair over one eye, usually blonde and/or black. Wears eyes make and girls jeans. You know what I mean and what kind of people listen to that music. Those kind of emo bands.

sfguitarist
03-09-2007, 06:11 PM
Sorry, I don't have time or interest to listen to subpar bands. Why are you being a music nazi? If I don't like most bands (not just "indie" but almost every genre, so what? I'm picky. I know too much about music to waste my time, money and energy supporting these shitty bands. I vote with my dollar and don't want to waste or support these bands with it.

I go to select shows - not to just be part of a scene. Music better damn well move me or else I'll put my energy into something else instead of wasting it being fake. If you're into that crap, great for you! Enjoy!



sfguitarist, get educated before you start some stupid ass thread about the festival being lame, if only for Rage. Some of the bands you listed are in fact "very" Indie, and at least you have taste in those, but your comments are pretty ridiculous with no substance. You should really open mind a little more and research some of the bands, you might be surprised.

ThunderInTheSky
03-09-2007, 07:29 PM
It could be worse. This 5% talent, 95% poser band fest could be held in a Red State.

5% talent? Are you retarted? Tell me that Jesus and Mary Chain, Sonic Youth, Patton Oswalt, the Good the Bad and the Queen, the New Pornogrophers, the Black Keys, Roky Erickson, Andrew Bird, Peter Bjorn and John, Happy Mondays, the Roots, the Lemonheads, Explosions in the Sky and most everyone else arent talented. You should just shut the hell up dude. You wouldnt know talent if it hit you over the head with a mallot!

ThunderInTheSky
03-09-2007, 07:32 PM
I wouldnt say Jimmy Eat World are emo.
And if you classify them emo, there are nowhere near the terrible calibre of My Chemical Romance, Thursday, Senses Fail, Hawthorne Heights, Taking Back Sunday, Underoath, I could name all the incredibly shitty emo bands here. But there are WAY to many.
Anyways, some people also classify Weezer as emo.
But the emo I am talking about, is the sterotypical emo. The kind of emo the kids with the hair short in the back, long in the front, hair over one eye, usually blonde and/or black. Wears eyes make and girls jeans. You know what I mean and what kind of people listen to that music. Those kind of emo bands.

Emo is a subgenre of hardcore punk music. Since its inception, emo has come to describe several independent variations, linked loosely but with common ancestry. As such, use of the term has been the subject of much debate.

In its original incarnation, the term emo was used to describe the music of the mid-1980s Washington, DC scene and its associated bands. In later years, the term emocore, short for "emotional hardcore", was also used to describe the DC scene and some of the regional scenes that spawned from it. The term emo was derived from the fact that, on occasion, members of a band would become spontaneously and strongly emotional during performances. The most recognizable names of the period included Rites of Spring, Embrace, One Last Wish, Beefeater, Gray Matter, Fire Party, and, slightly later, Moss Icon. The first wave of emo began to fade after the breakups of most of the involved bands in the early 1990s.

Starting in the mid-1990s, the term emo began to reflect the indie scene that followed the influences of Fugazi, which itself was an offshoot of the first wave of emo. Bands including Sunny Day Real Estate and Texas Is the Reason put forth a more indie rock style of emo, more melodic and less chaotic in nature than its predecessor. The so-called "indie emo" scene survived until the late 1990s, as many of the bands either disbanded or shifted to mainstream styles.

As the remaining indie emo bands entered the mainstream, newer bands began to emulate the more mainstream style, creating a style of music that has now earned the moniker emo within popular culture. Whereas, even in the past, the term emo was used to identify a wide variety of bands, the breadth of bands listed under today's emo is even more vast, leaving the term "emo" as more of a loose identifier than as a specific genre of music.

La Ferrassie
03-09-2007, 07:37 PM
Emo is a subgenre of hardcore punk music. Since its inception, emo has come to describe several independent variations, linked loosely but with common ancestry. As such, use of the term has been the subject of much debate.

In its original incarnation, the term emo was used to describe the music of the mid-1980s Washington, DC scene and its associated bands. In later years, the term emocore, short for "emotional hardcore", was also used to describe the DC scene and some of the regional scenes that spawned from it. The term emo was derived from the fact that, on occasion, members of a band would become spontaneously and strongly emotional during performances. The most recognizable names of the period included Rites of Spring, Embrace, One Last Wish, Beefeater, Gray Matter, Fire Party, and, slightly later, Moss Icon. The first wave of emo began to fade after the breakups of most of the involved bands in the early 1990s.

Starting in the mid-1990s, the term emo began to reflect the indie scene that followed the influences of Fugazi, which itself was an offshoot of the first wave of emo. Bands including Sunny Day Real Estate and Texas Is the Reason put forth a more indie rock style of emo, more melodic and less chaotic in nature than its predecessor. The so-called "indie emo" scene survived until the late 1990s, as many of the bands either disbanded or shifted to mainstream styles.

As the remaining indie emo bands entered the mainstream, newer bands began to emulate the more mainstream style, creating a style of music that has now earned the moniker emo within popular culture. Whereas, even in the past, the term emo was used to identify a wide variety of bands, the breadth of bands listed under today's emo is even more vast, leaving the term "emo" as more of a loose identifier than as a specific genre of music.

I needed a lesson in the history of "emo" today. Thanks.

I'm Rosetta Stoned
03-09-2007, 07:47 PM
I needed a lesson in the history of "emo" today. Thanks.

LOL. Some EmO is good. Thursday, At the Drive in, Sparta but 95% of the bands are crap.

La Ferrassie
03-09-2007, 07:56 PM
LOL. Some EmO is good. Thursday, At the Drive in, Sparta but 95% of the bands are crap.

Agreed, Pretty much the emo bands that don't dress up like emos are good.

ThunderInTheSky
03-09-2007, 07:57 PM
LOL. Some EmO is good. Thursday, At the Drive in, Sparta but 95% of the bands are crap.

Sparta good? Mars Volta maybe, but only the early stuff, Sparta is garbage.

hangthedj112
03-09-2007, 08:27 PM
LOL. Some EmO is good. Thursday, At the Drive in, Sparta but 95% of the bands are crap.

LOL. you know nothing about emo if you consider those bands to fall into that genre.

rage patton
03-09-2007, 08:48 PM
Thursday is for sure emo!
At the Drive In... they kind of had the sounding of an emo flare to them.
But nothing like Thursday and the bands like that.
As I said earlier, I mean the stereotypical emo acts of today. Like, all the bands that sound the same and sing about the same thing and dress the same way. I know you all know what Im talking about. I cant even name more than a handful of band, because I try to erase the memory of them from my brain as soon as I hear that garbage.
Whatever you want to call emo, the "emo" that is comming out today is complete garbage. And the look to go along with it is even more rediculous.

NeverMyopic
03-09-2007, 09:26 PM
Sorry, I don't have time or interest to listen to subpar bands. Why are you being a music nazi? If I don't like most bands (not just "indie" but almost every genre, so what? I'm picky. I know too much about music to waste my time, money and energy supporting these shitty bands. I vote with my dollar and don't want to waste or support these bands with it.

I go to select shows - not to just be part of a scene. Music better damn well move me or else I'll put my energy into something else instead of wasting it being fake. If you're into that crap, great for you! Enjoy!

That's all fine and understandable, and I agree you go to shows of the music/groups you like and support. But what is the deal of coming on a message board, just to declare that the festival, that everyone on this board is going to, is crap except for one group (and a few others that are alright). It really doesn't make sense. And yes, I understand freedom of speech and message boards are for discussing and debating, etc... but, come on.

And as for knowing too much about music; I am willing to bet there are a lot of people on this board who know a hell of a lot about music also. Also, I am not just talking about knowledge about stuff from the last 10 years, one genre or sub genre, rather a real appreciation, understanding, curiosity, and love of music - all (or most) music. I would consider myself in that category, although - with perhaps this exception - I don't boast about my knowledge or come across as blase about others tastes.

Lastly, if you have that appreciation and knowledge of music, I would think you would have a better understanding of Coachella and the people who attend it. It's not just a scene, it's an experience and a great one at that. Cheers.

ToddThaGod
03-09-2007, 09:27 PM
i now know the true meaning of emo. thanks guys.

rage patton
03-09-2007, 09:32 PM
i now know the true meaning of emo. thanks guys.

No problem.
That discussion elevated quite quickly eh?

I also agree with everything NeverMyTopic just said!

licketysplit101
03-10-2007, 02:07 AM
ok.

1. rage is pretty fagtastic
2. everybody shut up about emo
3. sfguitarist should listen to some black keys
4. sfguitarist, stop using the word indie.
5. sfguitarist, stop compensating for your tiny penis (your not very good at it)
6. sfguitarist, you should get out more
7. ummmm, the word 'shred' should be banned
8. you guys better make some pretty hilarious replies to this post
9. sfguitarist, you are extremely gay, but you have better taste and insight to music than 95% of the people at my school. Which is awesome, because if you are extremely gay, to coachella types, then the cool people there will kick total ass.
10. dude, sonic youth, black keys, willie nelson, justice, theres a lot more than just 'indie' bands there. how can you say that, dude? o my god.
11. politics are not for insane people.

André
03-10-2007, 03:36 AM
Just like Tool last year, Coachella provides very few (but compelling) reasons for someone from Northern California to trek down to that Conservative dustbowl. But, dammit, it's Rage Against the Machine! Bjork and RHCP are other good reasons but 95% of the rest of those bands suck. What do those indie kids see in them?

Rage should tear it up. Can't wait to see them in NORTHERN California.

okay i am coming from denmark, and the ONLY reason i am coming to coachella is RAGE. so sfguitarist you are so rigth, up on till now i Agree with all that sfguitarist have said (my opinion)! but can some one tell me plz what is so great about indie musik??? i really dont understand it?... like 4 of my best friends plays musik (they are really in to it, and some of them have even begun to record a demo) but they play fucking indie ZzZzZzzzz. yeah okay there may be some good guitar solo's in their songs, but WTF! again i have to agree with sfguitarist and & Tom on this:

"A good song should make you wanna tap your feet and get with your girl. A great song should destroy cops and set fire to the suburbs. I’m only interested in writing great songs." Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine

Musik should in my opinion Inspire people to do great things, and not just "Well I bet that you look good on the dance floor - blah blah blah). as i see it, indie is about being cool in a non-cool way or being non-cool in a cool way.

this is my opinion, if you people want to see/hear indie thats cool with me!........

PS. I'll be the crazy dude starting a mosh pit at bjork

brassneck
03-10-2007, 06:29 AM
What a stupid thread. Tool was the reason I didn't go to Coachella last year.
Rage is only the best version of rap-rock bands that started w/ Faith No More in the 90's. They are good at it, but hardly the best band ever.

And Tom Morello says he only writes good songs? Wow, how humble. How did he fit his ego in the same dressing room with Chris Cornell over the last couple of years?

If you are going to Coachella only for RATM, you are a dork.

La Ferrassie
03-10-2007, 07:43 AM
Does anyone think sfguitarist will make a comeback apperance today?

ratmfan105
03-10-2007, 09:49 AM
leave now
um no fuck you you bitch this guy is so damn right amen to ya brother one of few people that dont have their head and dick up their ass

wisconsinboozer
03-10-2007, 09:55 AM
as i dont know more than half the bands at coachella im still excited to see a lot of them from what ive read on here but the only real reason im traveling 2300 miles is because of rage, still looking foreward to the whole coachella experience though!

daft$tar
03-10-2007, 10:15 AM
rage is gonna make sunday really packed but crazy - being a HUGE madonna, kylie, techno fan - im interested to see what rage is all about - should i be scared?

rage patton
03-10-2007, 11:20 AM
rage is gonna make sunday really packed but crazy - being a HUGE madonna, kylie, techno fan - im interested to see what rage is all about - should i be scared?

Be hella scared! Bwahaha! Us Rage fans plan to not only mosh during thier set... but rape and pillage after as well!
As a Rage fan, I plan on destroying the Coachella experience for as many individuals as possible! Bwahahaha
...
I have a feeling your post was sarcastic, but still. Im sick of hearing people complain that Rage is gonna be there and are gonna ruin the festival. I am also sick of Rage fans saying that Rage is the only good/talented band at the festival and everyone elses tastes sucks. Grow the fuck up! If you dont like Rage, dont see them! Go watch whoever you enjoy. That is what this festival is about. If Rage is the only band you like, dont show up until they start! That way you wont have to deal with "crapy lesser talented bands."
I am personaly planning on enjoying all 3 days at this and seeing as many bands as possible! Some bands I care about more than others. I can garuntee you, you will see me in the pit at Rage. But I dont wanna stir shit up or ruin anyone else time. How about people on both sides of the argument be a little more civil?

sfguitarist
03-10-2007, 11:44 AM
People from Denmark have great taste in music. They can identify a true artist from someone doing it just to be cool. Rage Against the Machine is authentic, talented and have a message that many people around the World can connect with. If you're some little "indie" kid from Williamsburg sheltered in his/her little American world, you may not be able to see it that well.

My parents came from Europe and I go there a lot. Maybe viewing America from outside has made me less patient or interested in listening to some little "indie" kid whine on about his/her girlfriend. The world is too fucked up to waste time writing songs about that.

Music can change the world and Rage is definitely a band that can help do that - not the Shins, not Interpol, not the White Stripes, etc. At least Pavement spoke their minds on many tracks.

Thank goodness there are bands in America like Rage, Tool and Green Day that speak out and represent how many of us here in America feel.

Tylerdurden31
03-10-2007, 11:44 AM
um no fuck you you bitch this guy is so damn right amen to ya brother one of few people that dont have their head and dick up their ass

Thank you for your insight.

rage patton
03-10-2007, 11:48 AM
Music can change the world and Rage is definitely a band that can help do that - not the Shins, not Interpol, not the White Stripes, etc. At least Pavement spoke their minds on many tracks.

Thank goodness there are bands in America like Rage, Tool and Green Day that speak out and represent how many of us here in America feel.
Dissing the White Stripes and praising Green Day in the same post?
Are you trying to conciously get everyone on this forum to hate you?

sfguitarist
03-10-2007, 11:50 AM
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Dissing the White Stripes and praising Green Day in the same post?
Are you trying to conciously get everyone on this forum to hate you?

You see. Unlike some insecure "indie" poser, I don't really give a crap what others think about me. White Stripes have the worst drummer on the face of the Earth but people love her because she's cute. What do they sing about? Girls? Breakups? At least Green Day has a political message.

rage patton
03-10-2007, 11:54 AM
Hey personally, I like Green Day. They put on a extremely good live show.
Also, I am not a huge fan of the White Stripes. I do like them. But Im not as into them as a lot of other people are.
Im just saying, the way you post your message, it seems like your just trying to piss people off.
Also, I am not an "indie" poser, if that is what you were implying. Most of the artists Im excited to see arent the so called "indie" bands, but I am still going to check a number of them out.

Tylerdurden31
03-10-2007, 12:01 PM
technically good musicians do not necessarily make good music

sfguitarist
03-10-2007, 12:11 PM
technically good musicians do not necessarily make good music

Cute "indie" girls with pig tails or their cute brother/husband do not necessarly make good music.

malcolmjamalawesome
03-10-2007, 12:15 PM
For the record, Shit Face Guitarist, Green Day made a career out of singing about breakups and jacking off. Putting a hand grenade on an album cover during wartime does not a political punk pundit make. Also, Dave Wang hates you.

i_like_cake530
03-10-2007, 12:26 PM
It could be worse. This 5% talent, 95% poser band fest could be held in a Red State.

although i am a huge rage fan, u my friend are the most ignorant person i've ever seen on this board.... btw just cause u dont like a band, doesn't mean that they don't have talent, that is just plain ignorance.

evoluti0n
03-10-2007, 12:28 PM
WOW...everyone got really angry, really fast. The main reason I'm going is for rage BUT, just recently I've started previewing music, from all the other bands that play on sat and sun, and I've got a pretty good list to go with. So far I def want to see

Tiesto, the black keys, paul van dyk, rhcp, the new pornographers, hot chip, ghostface, pharoahe monch, explosions in the sky, mike relm, cornelius...

But yeah, so, the main reason I'm goin IS for Rage, BUT there will be lots of other opportunities to hear great music.

That70sdesperado
03-10-2007, 12:34 PM
Please people, do not base your opinion of Rage fans on just one idiot. We're really not bad people, I assure you. Trust me, we're not like Tool or Bjork fans. I'm not gonna be at Coachella to only see Rage and laugh off all the other performers. Just lookin to have a good time and listen to some great music.

evoluti0n
03-10-2007, 12:35 PM
Please people, do not base your opinion of Rage fans on just one idiot. We're really not bad people, I assure you. Trust me, we're not like Tool or Bjork fans. I'm not gonna be at Coachella to only see Rage and laugh off all the other performers. Just lookin to have a good time and listen to some great music.

I second that.

La Ferrassie
03-10-2007, 12:47 PM
Is music not good if the musician doesn't talk about changing the world?

Havocquarm
03-10-2007, 12:58 PM
I dont really understand how 95% of the bands at this year's coachella can be described as indie rock.

You know because Willie Nelson, he screams indie, as do Crowded House. And all the electronic acts, they are soooooo indie.

While there are a few "indie" acts this year, your generalizations really kill whatever point you were trying to make. Plus putting everyone into some catergory of being shit for liking shit music isn't very becoming.

You soujnd insecure about yourself and everything you are, since you find it perfectly acceptable to like one band but totally bash another band just because they "whine about losing their girlfriends". NIN, Green Day, and probaly half the other bands you listed have made several songs doing the same.

Music can change the world, music can also be made for working out to, or made to inspire, or made to relax. Music is life, and just because not all music sparks revolutions or evokes meaning, doesn't make it worth any less.

roberto73
03-10-2007, 01:15 PM
Sorry, I don't have time or interest to listen to subpar bands. Why are you being a music nazi?

Music nazi? Looks like you're the one espousing musical superiority here. And if, as you claim, there's only "good and bad music," why go to the trouble of mislabeling most of the bands you don't like as "indie," especially since many of them aren't on independent labels?

Mainly, though, since you're going to throw out a statistic like "5% talent, 95% poser," I think you should at least make some attempt to support it. With approximately 110 bands playing, that makes roughly five of them, by your definition, talented. You've mentioned Bjork, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and Rage Against the Machine. You owe us two more bands on the lineup that you consider having talent. Better choose wisely, because on your terms, that means everyone else is a "poser."

woogie846
03-10-2007, 01:39 PM
if there is one "poser" band at Coachella it would be Rage.

What are they posing as though?

And don't worry, I don't support Rage fans who's only reason going to Coachella is to see them, and blow off everyone else like they don't matter.

Tylerdurden31
03-10-2007, 03:18 PM
Acts that wouldn't fall under your "indie" status (from what I know):
Friday
Gogol Bordello, Brother Ali, Busdriver, Comedians of Comedy, Digitalism, DJ Shadow, El-P, Evil Nine, Faithless, Felix Da Housecat, The Jesus and Mary Chain, Sonic Youth, Stephen Marley, Nickel Creek, Of Montreal, Peaches, Peeping Tom, Silversun Pickups, Julieta Venegas, Rufus Wainwright, Gillian Welch, Amy Winehouse

Saturday
!!!, Andrew Bird, Blonde Redhead, CocoRosie, Cornelius, Roky Erickson and the Explosives, The Fratellis, Ghostface Killah, Girl Talk, The Good The Bad and The Queen, Gotan Project, Hot Chip, Justice, Kings of Leon, LCD Soundsystem, MSTRKRFT, The New Pornographers, The Nightwatchman(HEY THAT'S TOM MORELLO), Ozomatli, Pharoah Monche, The Rapture, Mike Relm, Regina Spektor, Tiesto

Sunday
Against Me!, AIR, Lily Allen, Manu Chao, The Coup, Crowded House, Explosions in the Sky, CSS, Jose Gonzalez, Grizzly Bear, Happy Mondays, Infected Mushroom, Kid Beyond, Klaxons, Konono N°1, Lupe Fiasco, Willie Nelson, Placebo, Ratatat, The Roots, Soulwax, Spank Rock, Teddybears, Paul Van Dyk

listen to those...then you can complain...wait no...you can't complain...but you at least have given them a chance

rage patton
03-10-2007, 07:12 PM
I like the list above, you prove a good point, but there are a few slight corrections I would make.
I would for sure classify Sonic Youth as "indie" on Friday.
I would also put Blonde Redhead in the "indie" category on Saturday.
And put Rodrigo y Gabriela under the not indie category on Sunday.
That is all.

s0nn3
03-10-2007, 07:19 PM
sfguitarist=worthless fuck

get a brain you child.

Tylerdurden31
03-10-2007, 10:00 PM
I like the list above, you prove a good point, but there are a few slight corrections I would make.
I would for sure classify Sonic Youth as "indie" on Friday.
I would also put Blonde Redhead in the "indie" category on Saturday.
And put Rodrigo y Gabriela under the not indie category on Sunday.
That is all.

I put Sonic Youth there for 2 reasons...one being that they've been around for 20 something years and also because they are originators. Blonde Redhead's musical and vocal style doesn't fit sfdouchebag's definition of indie

Mr.Nipples
03-10-2007, 10:46 PM
my dick is 7 feet long and needs to be packed into a duffel bag and placed in a shopping cart as to prevent any injury when i walk. also, when i have sex, i need to be hoisted by crane in order to properly penetrate my mate.im a RAGE fan.

licketysplit101
03-10-2007, 11:23 PM
For the record, Shit Face Guitarist, Green Day made a career out of singing about breakups and jacking off. Putting a hand grenade on an album cover during wartime does not a political punk pundit make. Also, Dave Wang hates you.

Probably the best thing you could have said

Except, who's dave wang?

rage patton
03-10-2007, 11:27 PM
Probably the best thing you could have said

Except, who's dave wang?

No no no no no!!!
Dont start this. This unkown charcter who shall not be named was one of the main reasons the sticky about dumb cluttering posts have been put up.
And this malcomjamalawesome character keeps trying to keep the person who shall not be named (and likely doesnt exist) alive and in all topics.
Just dont ask.

boarderwoozel3
03-11-2007, 12:46 AM
I like some of the other acts but I am driving 18 hours to see RATM. It's the truth, they're a big deal, I'm stoked to experience them live... finally.

boarderwoozel3
03-11-2007, 12:48 AM
My last post in this thread was # 1-2-3. nice...

boarderwoozel3
03-11-2007, 12:48 AM
I'm drunk...

boarderwoozel3
03-11-2007, 12:50 AM
I'm drunk...

:emo & :lool

soggydroors
03-11-2007, 01:09 AM
Rage = BEST Reason To Go To Coachella, not the only.

John Peel is My Co-pilot
03-11-2007, 01:34 AM
Actually, I use 2 Mesa Boogie 4X12 cabs, 2 Mesa Boogie 2X12 cabs, with a rack containing my 200 Watt Mesa Boogie Dual-Rectifier and Triaxis/2:90 amps and Budda heads and Modulus Guitars just for the specific purpose of scaring the crap out of suburban indie posers. Works like a charm.

Am I missing something? Is this like guitar porn?

I remain unaroused...

JoeW88
03-11-2007, 04:26 AM
sfguitarist, you sound like such an elitist bastard. "I know too much about music to waste my time..." Dick.

Rage patton, you make some good points against sf's generalisations, but then completely discredit yourself by spouting the same shite about the emo genre. You may not like 99% of the bands that you think fall under that genre, but that does not mean 99% of them don't have talent. Don't be a hypocrite.

scottm6129
03-11-2007, 04:51 AM
Just like Tool last year, Coachella provides very few (but compelling) reasons for someone from Northern California to trek down to that Conservative dustbowl. But, dammit, it's Rage Against the Machine! Bjork and RHCP are other good reasons but 95% of the rest of those bands suck. What do those indie kids see in them?

Rage should tear it up. Can't wait to see them in NORTHERN California.

couldnt agree more man, im coming all the way from England to see rage against the machine!!! 47 days and counting!!

memocroma
03-11-2007, 09:52 AM
sfguitarist=idiot.

André
03-12-2007, 09:16 AM
People from Denmark have great taste in music. They can identify a true artist from someone doing it just to be cool. Rage Against the Machine is authentic, talented and have a message that many people around the World can connect with. If you're some little "indie" kid from Williamsburg sheltered in his/her little American world, you may not be able to see it that well.

My parents came from Europe and I go there a lot. Maybe viewing America from outside has made me less patient or interested in listening to some little "indie" kid whine on about his/her girlfriend. The world is too fucked up to waste time writing songs about that.

Music can change the world and Rage is definitely a band that can help do that - not the Shins, not Interpol, not the White Stripes, etc. At least Pavement spoke their minds on many tracks.

Thank goodness there are bands in America like Rage, Tool and Green Day that speak out and represent how many of us here in America feel.

People from Denmark have great taste in music - LOL. I dont know about that, but i'll like to think that i have great taste in music :thu

but sfguitarist when you say "indie kids", and you hate on them, is it not because you see em just like any other Pop boys/girls??? or what? I may be wrong but i can't see the difference between indie and pop!

André
03-12-2007, 09:17 AM
sfguitarist=idiot.

dude you dont know the guy, so you dont know if he is a idiot!!!

and i dont know you, but you sound like one!

Tylerdurden31
03-12-2007, 09:28 AM
dude you dont know the guy, so you dont know if he is a idiot!!!

and i dont know you, but you sound like one!

seriously dude...you need to stop contradicting yourself

SFChrissy
03-12-2007, 09:41 AM
Actually...go see rage at rock the bells!!! And leave coachella for the die hard coachella fans!!!

momof5
03-12-2007, 10:03 AM
Wow--the only lyrics should be about important world issues? I have been around 53years and have seen a bit of the world-I thought music should do many things--There is nothing wrong with love songs and adding beauty to the world. Is there not enough angst and terror for you already? and has Rage inspired people to go out and make the world better --or is moshing and rioting really an important method for change? I am not saying protest is not worthwhile, I have done some myself but in Washington DC not a mosh pit. Coachella is a beautiful experience with alot of good music and sometimes really great music.I don't think going only for one band (especially if you think no one else is talented) is a good idea.Sfguitarist--open your mind,enjoy life!

André
03-12-2007, 11:22 AM
seriously dude...you need to stop contradicting yourself

stop commerting every thing i say! YOU hate me - get over it

luveebunni08
03-12-2007, 11:25 AM
Wow. I never thought other Rage fans would make me dislike Rage. This really sucks. I used to really like Rage Against the Machine, but I just can't now.

yeah, the board is much more fun during the off-season. the months prior to the show you don't want to bother seeing a lot of bands because you KNOW those people will be there. people suck.

stevekeim
03-12-2007, 11:34 AM
Nothing "indie"/independent about most "indie" bands today. Most are a far cry from true "indie" bands like Pavement. They are pretty mainstream and dull, with not much talent or much to say. Rage Against the Machine at least has something to say and are freakin' talented.

Why would I want to listen to an "indie" band whine on about nonsense while strumming a boring straight 4/4 tempo over and over again while wearing the latest "indie" fashion? That's what is wrong with most music - it's more style over substance.

If you're into that, cool for you. I'm not. Enjoy!

well if you mean franz ferdinand and the killers, those don't even count as indie anymore. as for putting the vast majority of lesser known "indie" bands in the same category...

I'd expect more from an sfguitarist. This is practically a new era of independent music, enabled by mass communication and the internet. based on your post, you haven't broadened your horizons enough to make that kind of call. listen to more music. be more open minded. its not all 4/4 tempo fashion rock...just the crappy crap is. I find an awesome new totally creative band more than once a week. it never fails, but admittedly, some are duds

i challenge everyone to not be so overwhelmingly ignorant. myself included.

André
03-12-2007, 11:37 AM
well if you mean franz ferdinand and the killers, those don't even count as indie anymore. as for putting the vast majority of lesser known "indie" bands in the same category...

I'd expect more from an sfguitarist. This is practically a new era of independent music, enabled by mass communication and the internet. based on your post, you haven't broadened your horizons enough to make that kind of call. listen to more music. be more open minded. its not all 4/4 tempo fashion rock...just the crappy crap is. I find an awesome new totally creative band more than once a week. it never fails, but admittedly, some are duds

i challenge everyone to not be so overwhelmingly ignorant. myself included.

good thread

hunter_682
03-12-2007, 12:08 PM
That is a bit of an overstatement to say that nearly all of the bands are bad. You don't have to be an "indie kid" to enjoy the fruits of the coachella tree. Some good bands are going to be there....im looking forward to Nickel Creek! SO GOOD.



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newalias
03-12-2007, 12:22 PM
Rage isn't the only draw. If Sunday didn't exist I would still go.

skavenbrew
03-12-2007, 12:34 PM
Rage needs more cowbell. Indie bands need more cowbell. We can all agree that music in general needs more cowbell.

André
03-12-2007, 12:37 PM
Rage needs more cowbell. Indie bands need more cowbell. We can all agree that music in general needs more cowbell.

YEAH... but at least killing in the name have cowbell

stevekeim
03-12-2007, 12:37 PM
Rage needs more cowbell. Indie bands need more cowbell. We can all agree that music in general needs more cowbell.

your face needs more cowbell


...post 7

André
03-12-2007, 12:39 PM
your face needs more cowbell


...post 7

no...

Alchemy
03-12-2007, 12:56 PM
Why does this thread exist?

skavenbrew
03-12-2007, 01:36 PM
Why does this thread exist?


It's like a bad STD, it just won't go away......

faxman75
03-12-2007, 01:36 PM
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TomAz
03-12-2007, 03:44 PM
Nothing "indie"/independent about most "indie" bands today. Most are a far cry from true "indie" bands like Pavement. They are pretty mainstream and dull, with not much talent or much to say. Rage Against the Machine at least has something to say and are freakin' talented.

Why would I want to listen to an "indie" band whine on about nonsense while strumming a boring straight 4/4 tempo over and over again while wearing the latest "indie" fashion? That's what is wrong with most music - it's more style over substance.

If you're into that, cool for you. I'm not. Enjoy!

you're a dumb fuck. I could only get halfway down the first page of this thread til I got fed up with your stupid drivel. Didn't you learn anything last year? all you post is dreck.

and the 4/4 comment is the best unintentional self-parody you've served us with yet, you swillmongering crapeating douchebag.

André
03-13-2007, 12:57 AM
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laineinla
03-13-2007, 09:19 PM
your face needs more cowbell


...post 7

get a sense of humor why don't you?

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Mo'rage
03-14-2007, 12:21 AM
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geO723
03-14-2007, 10:34 AM
Rage is mainstream pop music and their politics are rather far from reality. Get a life.

Mainstream Pop Music? I dont think you know who Rage is .... they are nothing like Justin Timberlake of other b.s. bands on the radio nowadays. Their politics are in your face, unlike the jumbled metaphorical crap of emo rock. Cmon guy....

Alchemy
03-14-2007, 10:37 AM
Mainstream Pop Music? I dont think you know who Rage is .... they are nothing like Justin Timberlake of other b.s. bands on the radio nowadays. Their politics are in your face, unlike the jumbled metaphorical crap of emo rock. Cmon guy....

Rage is Mainstream Pop Music. That is how they sold out Coachella faster than any other band has. Just because Rage is Mainstream Pop Music doesn't mean that Rage is a boy band, or one of Paris Hilton's friends. Rage is one of the most popular bands to play Coachella (hence the term pop music), and they are played on all major rock radio stations... You could say they are streamed on all the main stations... Sort of mainstream pop music.

It's not a bad thing to be mainstream pop music. It's only bad if your music sucks.

flakivirs
03-14-2007, 05:59 PM
Oh… need for belonging; musically, politically, religiously, etc… in a place with so much diversity. Get over yourselves! One can appreciate RATM and a band like the Decemberist, or should we pick sides? This is not politics. It’s music!

woogie846
03-14-2007, 06:14 PM
Oh… need for belonging; musically, politically, religiously, etc… in a place with so much diversity. Get over yourselves! One can appreciate RATM and a band like the Decemberist, or should we pick sides? This is not politics. It’s music!

Huzah!

DanWiss90
03-14-2007, 07:31 PM
Nothing "indie"/independent about most "indie" bands today. Most are a far cry from true "indie" bands like Pavement. They are pretty mainstream and dull, with not much talent or much to say. Rage Against the Machine at least has something to say and are freakin' talented.

Why would I want to listen to an "indie" band whine on about nonsense while strumming a boring straight 4/4 tempo over and over again while wearing the latest "indie" fashion? That's what is wrong with most music - it's more style over substance.

If you're into that, cool for you. I'm not. Enjoy!

4/4 indicates time signature, not tempo... you stupid boob. By the way rage against the machine also plays almost entirely in 4/4. Just because they use a little syncopation doesnt mean they are changing the time signature. You have no idea what you're talking about.

boarderwoozel3
03-14-2007, 08:47 PM
4/4 indicates time signature, not tempo... you stupid boob. By the way rage against the machine also plays almost entirely in 4/4. Just because they use a little syncopation doesnt mean they are changing the time signature. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Smack down!