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mob roulette
03-08-2007, 10:41 AM
Tomorrow (03/09/07) will be the tenth anniversary of the death of Christopher "Notorious B.I.G." Wallace, a man who meant a lot to a lot of people, including myself. I am creating this thread so that we can pay tribute to this wonderful talent who left us far too soon. Christopher Wallace was a father, a son, a poet, a friend, and as real as they come. Please take the time to pay tribute in any way you see fit. This could include pictures, lyrics, video, stories, whatever you'd like. The only thing that I would ask is to please not be a dick about it. There is a time for comedy and there is a time to respect the dead. This is a time for reverence. Thank you.

Also,

ANY MOTHERFUCKER WHO TRIES TO SAY A GODDAMN THING NEGATIVE ABOUT MY MAN SMALLS WILL FEEL THE WRATH OF MY RIGHTEOUS ANGER POST FUCKING HASTE. I WILL TEAR YOUR GODDAMN LIMBS OFF AND THEN I WILL BEAT THE LIVING HELL FROM YOU WITH YOUR OWN BLOODY STUMPS AND MAKE YOU BEG ME INCESSANTLY FOR MORE. IS THAT FUCKING CLEAR?

Either me or Hannah. Depending. We're flexible.

Here, I'll start:

Yeah, this album is dedicated to all the teachers that told me
I'd never amount to nothin', to all the people that lived above
the buildings that I was hustlin' in front of that called the police
on me when I was just tryin' to make some money to feed my
daughters, and all the niggaz in the struggle, you know what I'm sayin'?

Uh, it's all good baby bay-bee, uh

It was all a dream
I used to read Word Up magazine
Salt'n'Pepa and Heavy D up in the limousine
Hangin' pictures on my wall
Every Saturday Rap Attack, Mr. Magic, Marley Marl
I let my tape rock 'til my tape popped
Smokin' weed and bamboo, sippin' on private stock
Way back, when I had the red and black lumberjack
With the hat to match
Remember Rappin' Duke, duh-ha, duh-ha
You never thought that hip hop would take it this far
Now I'm in the limelight 'cause I rhyme tight
Time to get paid, blow up like the World Trade
Born sinner, the opposite of a winner
Remember when I used to eat sardines for dinner
Peace to Ron G, Brucey B, Kid Capri
Funkmaster Flex, Lovebug Starski
I'm blowin' up like you thought I would
Call the crib, same number same hood
It's all good

Uh, and if you don't know, now you know, *****, uh

(Hook)
You know very well who you are
Don't let em hold you down, reach for the stars
You had a few, but not that many
Cause you're the only one I'll give you good and plenty

I made the change from a common thief
To up close and personal with Robin Leach
And I'm far from cheap, I smoke skunk with my peeps all day
Spread love, it's the Brooklyn way
The Moet and Alize keep me pissy
Girls used to diss me
Now they write letters 'cause they miss me
I never thought it could happen, this rappin' stuff
I was too used to packin' gats and stuff
Now honeys play me close like butter plays toast
From the Mississippi down to the east coast
Condos in Queens, indo for weeks
Sold out seats to hear Biggie Smalls speak
Livin' life without fear
Puttin' 5 karats in my baby girl's ears
Lunches, brunches, interviews by the pool
Considered a fool 'cause I dropped out of high school
Stereotypes of a black male misunderstood
And it's still all good

Uh...and if you don't know, now you know, *****

Super Nintendo, Sega Genesis
When I was dead broke, man I couldn't picture this
50 inch screen, money green leather sofa
Got two rides, a limousine with a chauffeur
Phone bill about two G's flat
No need to worry, my accountant handles that
And my whole crew is loungin'
Celebratin' every day, no more public housin'
Thinkin' back on my one-room shack
Now my mom pimps a Ac' with minks on her back
And she loves to show me off, of course
Smiles every time my face is up in The Source
We used to fuss when the landlord dissed us
No heat, wonder why Christmas missed us
Birthdays was the worst days
Now we sip champagne when we thirst-ay
Uh, damn right I like the life I live
'Cause I went from negative to positive
And it's all good...

"Juicy", Notorious B.I.G.

We'll always love Big Poppa
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r182/coxcombred/biggie.jpg

I thank you in advance for your contibutions to the memory of this hip-hop legend. R.I.P. Biggie Smalls. Thanks you guys.

thinnerair
03-08-2007, 10:47 AM
TWo of my favorite Biggie moments...
His contribution to the Flava in Ya Ear remix. That verse is one of the best verses spit ever.

I also loved it when he smoked Bone Thugs n Harmony at their own fast style on Notorious Thugs. Classic Biggie.

fober
03-08-2007, 10:51 AM
ANY MOTHERFUCKER WHO TRIES TO SAY A GODDAMN THING NEGATIVE ABOUT MY MAN SMALLS WILL FEEL THE WRATH OF MY RIGHTEOUS ANGER POST FUCKING HASTE. I WILL TEAR YOUR GODDAMN LIMBS OFF AND THEN I WILL BEAT THE LIVING HELL FROM YOU WITH YOUR OWN BLOODY STUMPS AND MAKE YOU BEG ME INCESSANTLY FOR MORE. IS THAT FUCKING CLEAR?

Christopher Wallace sucked ass.

Or would you like that in CAPS WITH CURSES AND THREATS?

bmack86
03-08-2007, 10:55 AM
http://tupacshakur.mabulle.com/images/tupacshakur.mabulle.com/8.jpg

chairmenmeow47
03-08-2007, 10:55 AM
Or would you like that in CAPS WITH CURSES AND THREATS?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA, that made my day.

*looks in mirror*

biggie smalls
biggie smalls
biggie smalls

J~$$$
03-08-2007, 10:57 AM
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1861273818

mob roulette
03-08-2007, 10:57 AM
Christopher Wallace sucked ass.

Or would you like that in CAPS WITH CURSES AND THREATS?

I'M GOING TO EAT YOUR FUCKING OSTRICH FOR DINNER BITCH BOY. I'M GOING TO WIPE MY FUCKING ASS WITH ITS FEATHERS AND THEN FED EX THEM TO YOUR MOTHER'S HOUSE WITH A NOTE TELLING HER JUST HOW MUCH YOU LOVE HER.

STATED.

We'll always love Big Poppa. No more beef. Guns in holsters, girls on shoulders. Thank you.

mob roulette
03-08-2007, 11:01 AM
http://tupacshakur.mabulle.com/images/tupacshakur.mabulle.com/8.jpg

WHO SHOT YA?

love tupac. this thread is for biggie. thank you.

Calamity Jane
03-08-2007, 11:04 AM
ghey

mob roulette
03-08-2007, 11:08 AM
ghey

i'm gonna fucking murder you bug. also,

escargot, my car go 160, swiftly
wreck and buy a new one
your crew run run run
your crew run run

TomAz
03-08-2007, 12:13 PM
This is the New York Police. you are under arrest.

kimery08
03-08-2007, 12:28 PM
youre my boy blue.




straight up honey really im askin
most of these niggas think they be mackin but they be actin
who they attractin with that line "whats your name, whats your sign"?
soon as he buy that wine i just creep up from behind
and ask you what your interests are, who you be with
things to make you smile, what numbers to dial?
you gon be here for a while im gon call my crew
you go call your crew, we can rendevous at the bar around two.




yeah, keep bangin.

mob roulette
03-08-2007, 12:32 PM
youre my boy blue.

straight up honey really im askin
most of these niggas think they be mackin but they be actin
who they attractin with that line "whats your name, whats your sign"?
soon as he buy that wine i just creep up from behind
and ask you what your interests are, who you be with
things to make you smile, what numbers to dial?
you gon be here for a while im gon call my crew
you go call your crew, we can rendevous at the bar around two.

yeah, keep bangin.

Plans to leave, throw the keys to Lil Cease
Pull the truck up, front, and roll up the next blunt
So we can steam on the way to the telly go fill my belly
A t-bone steak, cheese eggs and Welch's grape
Conversate for a few, cause in a few, we gon' do
What we came to do, ain't that right boo (TRUUUUUE)
Forget the telly we just go to the crib
and watch a movie in the jacuzzi smoke l's while you do me

YEAH. that's what i'm talking about.

thanks kimery.

thelastgreatman
03-08-2007, 12:39 PM
Time to get paid, blow up like the World Trade
Born sinner, the opposite of a winner

I might be wrong about this, but I always thought the line was
blow up like the World Trade Bomb Center

And if it's not, this is yet another example of me hearing better lyrics than the artist wrote. But yeah, you gotta love Big--he died for our sins, dammit.

mob roulette
03-08-2007, 12:41 PM
I might be wrong about this, but I always thought the line was
blow up like the World Trade Bomb Center

And if it's not, this is yet another example of me hearing better lyrics than the artist wrote. But yeah, you gotta love Big--he died for our sins, dammit.

nah it's blow up like the world trade. and then when jigga sampled it for "a dream", he pulled that line out in tribute to 9/11. thanks for the love though.

what about biggie's intro to total's "can't you see". hot verse. HOT.

fober
03-08-2007, 12:42 PM
And if it's not, this is yet another example of me hearing better lyrics than the artist wrote.

That was the furthest thing from "better lyrics" and I don't even think Wallace was all that good.

keriann
03-08-2007, 12:42 PM
this thread is giving me serious nostalgia



soon as he buy that wine i just creep up from behind
and ask you what your interests are, who you be with
things to make you smile, what numbers to dial?
you gon be here for a while im gon call my crew
you go call your crew, we can rendevous at the bar around two.


I remember a boy I dated in high school saying this to me, thinking he was all suave-like. hahaha.

kimery08
03-08-2007, 12:47 PM
I remember a boy I dated in high school saying this to me, thinking he was all suave-like. hahaha.

hahahaha. before my ex was even my bf he started singing this song to me and i started saying it back to him. we kept going to the end.
to this day i think that was why he fell for me.



but you see how tight biggie was. he even got people into long term relationships.

mob roulette
03-08-2007, 12:48 PM
...and I don't even think Wallace was all that good.

the point for me is this: biggie was the first rapper where people would memorize his verses WHOLESALE. when big hit, there were ELEMENTARY school kids who would try to sound like him. and NO, it's not because his lyrics were juvenile, it was because his flow was RIDICULOUS. smooth like HONEY. he's the howlin' wolf of the modern age. stated.

thanks for coming back though. one love.

fober
03-08-2007, 12:55 PM
the point for me is this: biggie was the first rapper where people would memorize his verses WHOLESALE. when big hit, there were ELEMENTARY school kids who would try to sound like him. and NO, it's not because his lyrics were juvenile, it was because his flow was RIDICULOUS. smooth like HONEY. he's the howlin' wolf of the modern age. stated.

I'm thinking it's a generational thing then, because that paragraph applies much better to Rakim, DMC, Tribe, Big Daddy Kane, etc. in my mind.

mob roulette
03-08-2007, 01:03 PM
I'm thinking it's a generational thing then, because that paragraph applies much better to Rakim, DMC, Tribe, Big Daddy Kane, etc. in my mind.

or perhaps the difference is mass cultural acceptance. you and i know rakim or tribe from these candy cane rappers but most didn't back then. biggie crossed OVER. my GRANDMA knows who biggie smalls is. and recognizes his warmth and talent. "such a nice young man" she says.

big poppa 4ever is my theme for today. rest in peace player.

chunk
03-08-2007, 01:29 PM
i loved how his narratives were so vivid. some of the stories were as action packed as tarantino movies. niggas bleed had a great scene with arizona ron, gloria from historia, sprinklers, alarm systems, and a black range rover parked by a fire hydrant.

and who can forget I got a story to tell where hes fucking some girl whos going out with somebody on the Knicks (who also ends up coming home while hes with her)?
I'm in his ass while he playin gainst the Utah Jazz

classic.

kimery08
03-08-2007, 02:03 PM
"I think Jay-Z benefited from that fact that 'Pac and Biggie are dead. When they were around, he wasn't on that level."
-Suge Knight

fober
03-08-2007, 02:25 PM
Jay-Z is to hip-hop what Michael Jordan was to baseball.

DeltaSigChi4
03-08-2007, 03:19 PM
Jay-Z is to hip-hop what Michael Jordan was to baseball.

Amen.

E

chunk
03-08-2007, 03:50 PM
thats such an overstatement. what does that mean anyway? are you trying to say he is not nor ever was talented? you can go so many other places with that.

vanilla ice, snow, fresh prince, etc.

kreutz2112
03-08-2007, 03:52 PM
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA, that made my day.

*looks in mirror*

biggie smalls
biggie smalls
biggie smalls

Hey, quit fucking with him, he's trying to get to satans party.

echolalia
03-08-2007, 08:39 PM
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j5/fasttrackpimp/biggie.jpg

mob roulette
03-08-2007, 09:03 PM
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r182/coxcombred/brooklyn.jpg
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r182/coxcombred/notorious-big.jpg

Lounge Fly
03-08-2007, 09:04 PM
When I used to go home from college my boys and I would always go out to a strip club at least one night together (becuase canada, especially anywhere in Quebec has the best strip clubs in north america) and I always thought BIG's 'Another' from disc 2 of life after death was the best strip club song ever.
He was all sorts of amazing

mob roulette
03-08-2007, 09:08 PM
i was in chicago when "big poppa" first hit radio and they played it like nonstop everywhere you went. strip club, pizza joint, skating rink, the park. everybody loved it so much and when it was playing, you'd look up and just see all these heads nodding and smiling. biggie made it cool to be in love with hip hop. he made it out and so could you. rest in peace homey. b.i.g. forever.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r182/coxcombred/biggie-1.jpg

Hannahrain
03-08-2007, 09:25 PM
Mob, mob, mob. Or should I say, Notorious M.O.B.

You can't expect me to tear people limb from every time you have a little altercation.

You get one free trial, that will expire in 30 days. After that, it's paid jobs only.

Omar1
03-08-2007, 09:29 PM
Biggie remember when I use to let you sleep on the couch
And beg the bitch to let you sleep in the house
Now its all about versace
You copied my style
Five shots couldn't drop me
I took it and smiled
Now I'm back to set the record straight
With my A-K
I'm still the thug that you love to hate
Mutha-fucka I'll Hit 'Em Up

Biggie was aight, but he wasnt no 2 pac

mob roulette
03-08-2007, 09:45 PM
biggie's achilles heel is puffy. everyone knows that. take away the pop shit and he's just as good a rapper as tupac. in some ways, he's better cause big's more versatile. tupac had him beat on material but biggie had the better flow.

exhibit a:

one more chance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHDRkO_UmXY)

mob roulette
03-08-2007, 09:50 PM
Mob, mob, mob. Or should I say, Notorious M.O.B.

You can't expect me to tear people limb from every time you have a little altercation.

You get one free trial, that will expire in 30 days. After that, it's paid jobs only.

understood. just sharing the love. i know you're a woman of action. we're fine over here though. thanks.

next?

so drunk right now...

Lounge Fly
03-08-2007, 10:06 PM
biggie's achilles heel is puffy. everyone knows that. take away the pop shit and he's just as good a rapper as tupac.

I'll probably get ripped for this, and no I do not own a single P.Diddy cd but there is no denying he's one of the greatest business men in the game today. He has his hands on everything and its mostly successful. And while I'm not a huge fan of his solo stuff I think the last couple hip hop tracks he's been involved with have been pretty good (Tell Me with Aguilera and i can't remember the other one)

Omar1
03-08-2007, 10:09 PM
puffy is a pop producer.

Lounge Fly
03-08-2007, 10:29 PM
puffy is a pop producer.

Absolutely, but again that being said he's a great business man and becuase of it probably has more money than anybody out there today in rap/hip-hop other than Jay-Z

Mo'rage
03-09-2007, 12:34 AM
RIP

J~$$$
03-09-2007, 07:54 AM
Nas tickets on sale tomorrow. Atleast for Denver.

dorkfish
03-09-2007, 08:02 AM
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4987/1011boysinbathroomgd1.jpg

vinylmartyr
03-09-2007, 08:44 AM
I saw Krs-One at the Hollywood Athletic club in 1998. It was the 1st show he played in LA in 5 years because of that east coast vs west coast bs. He was afraid to come to LA cause he thought he might get shot.

mob roulette
03-09-2007, 11:48 AM
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4987/1011boysinbathroomgd1.jpg


I saw Krs-One at the Hollywood Athletic club in 1998. It was the 1st show he played in LA in 5 years because of that east coast vs west coast bs. He was afraid to come to LA cause he thought he might get shot.

my brother's name is Kenny
Kenny Parker
my other brother I.C.U.
is much darker
Boogie Down Productions
is made up of teachers
the lecture is conducted
from the mic into the speaker
who gets weaker?
the king or the teacher
it's not about a salary
it's all about reality
teachers teach and do the world good
kings just rule
and most are never understood

word.

kimery08
03-09-2007, 11:59 AM
if you were to rule over a certain industry
**** right now would be in misery
no one would get along
nor sing a song
cause everyone'd be singing for the king
am i wrong?!
so yo, whats up
its me again
scot la rock, krs, bdp again
many people had the nerve to think we would end the trend
we're criminal minded
and only tend
funky, funky, funky, funky, funky hit record
no more than four minutes
and some seconds
the competition checks and checks
and keeps checkin
they get the album
take it home and start sweatin...

mob roulette
03-09-2007, 02:55 PM
Last one:

B-I-G P-O-P-P-A
No info for the D-E-A
Federal agents mad cause I'm flagrant
Tapped my cell and the phone in the basement
You know my team supreme, stay clean
Triple beam lyrical dream, I be that
Cat you see at all the events bent
Gats in holsters, girls on shoulders
Playboy, I told you, being mice to me
Bruise too much, I lose too much
Step on stage, the girls boo too much
I guess it's cause you run with lame dudes too much
Me lose my touch? never that
If I did, ain't no problem to get the gat
Where the true players at?
Throw your rollies in the sky
And wave 'em side to side and keep your hands high
While I give your girl the eye, player please
Lyrically, niggaz see, B.I.G.
Be flossing, jig on the cover of Fortune
Five double oh, here's my phone number
Your man ain't got to know, I got to go
Got the flow down pizat, platinum plus
Like thizat, dangerous
On trizack, leave your ass blizzack

That's called SKILLS playa. R.I.P. B.I.G.

kimery08
03-09-2007, 03:00 PM
its a sad sad day...

kroqken
05-11-2007, 04:21 PM
What is going on with Wallace's lawsuit with the Los Angeles Police Department.

mob roulette
07-10-2007, 07:22 PM
I miss Ken.

i_like_cake530
07-10-2007, 07:57 PM
All i can say is, i've always loved how his name was an oxymoron.

summerkid
07-10-2007, 08:16 PM
or perhaps the difference is mass cultural acceptance. you and i know rakim or tribe from these candy cane rappers but most didn't back then. biggie crossed OVER. my GRANDMA knows who biggie smalls is. and recognizes his warmth and talent. "such a nice young man" she says.

big poppa 4ever is my theme for today. rest in peace player.

A lot of good that did for rap. Honestly, the best thing that Pac and Biggie did for rap was dying. Woke everybody up and kinda killed the whole east coast west coast rivalry. And I think Run DMC crossed over way before Biggie Smalls did.

leo01g
07-10-2007, 08:45 PM
damn this thread is old!

RotationSlimWang
07-10-2007, 08:52 PM
A lot of good that did for rap. Honestly, the best thing that Pac and Biggie did for rap was dying. Woke everybody up and kinda killed the whole east coast west coast rivalry. And I think Run DMC crossed over way before Biggie Smalls did.

This is both offensive and uninformed.

First of all, there was no east coast/west coast rivalry--it was just two crews, not two coasts, and mostly it was just Suge Knight's entanglements with the LAPD and lord knows who else.

Secondly, since when did it put an end to rap violence? Biggie and Pac are the only people who died in the media hype lie that was the east/west war so I suppose in that respect I suppose their deaths did end it because they were the only incidents.

Since then PLENTY of motherfuckers have got got not because of some coastal war but because rappers tend to come from violent backgrounds--not so much the artists themselves (at least not as much as they'd like you to think) but the money men involved.

And Jay from Run DMC just got shot the fuck up like a year ago, so what in the hell are you babbling about?

Sorry, but saying that they best thing they did for their art form was die is fucking deplorable.

betao
07-10-2007, 09:10 PM
First of all, there was no east coast/west coast rivalry--it was just two crews, not two coasts, and mostly it was just Suge Knight's entanglements with the LAPD and lord knows who else.



At the time, it was just two crews. However, given the fame and fanbases the two artists were drawing in at the time, it could have turned into something more.

as for Biggie and Pac... pioneers in hip-hop? eh..

I think more credit goes to groups like Sugarhill Gang, KRS One, Run DMC, ATCQ, Public Enemy and the Treacherous Three. Those guys were the REAL pioneers. I'd say people like Pac and Biggie were just really really good rappers of the time.

suprefan
07-10-2007, 09:13 PM
Biggie Smalls............. Biggie Smalls............... Big... No I cant do it!!

RotationSlimWang
07-10-2007, 09:44 PM
At the time, it was just two crews. However, given the fame and fanbases the two artists were drawing in at the time, it could have turned into something more.

as for Biggie and Pac... pioneers in hip-hop? eh..

I think more credit goes to groups like Sugarhill Gang, KRS One, Run DMC, ATCQ, Public Enemy and the Treacherous Three. Those guys were the REAL pioneers. I'd say people like Pac and Biggie were just really really good rappers of the time.

I don't recall arguing anything about them being pioneers. But you're talking about several different phases of rap here--it's like saying that The Beatles weren't really innovative because they weren't the first rock band. The leap from 80s hip-hop or rap (whatever you want to call it, some people are real assholes about differentiating) to 90s is a big one.

Ignoring that NWA technically dropped in the late 80s and was by most accounts the first popular instance of "gangsta" rap, The Chronic is when shit really started to change 'cause you can kinda trace the successfulness of any instance of rap by how much it was embraced by the white community--not because white people are an authority on music but because it's pretty fucking difficult to go multi-platinum and get radio or MTV (back when MTV mattered) play unless the white kids are bumping your shit.

The Chronic broke through that boundary with unprecedented success, making white kids around the country wish they were black. But as much as that album still rules to this day, when you go back and listen to it a lot of the lyrics are kinda goofy and still drawing from the 80s influences when the rhymes didn't necessarily have to be saying a whole lot. "Bow wow wow, yippie-yo yippie-yay" springs to mind. And yes, I know, KRS One and Rakim and Public Enemy were rapping about real shit, that's all stipulated.

What made Biggie a stand out for me (not so much a Pac fan) is that he had a gift for storytelling that just wasn't out there previously, and in a lot of ways still goes unmatched to this day. To this end, I present what I consider his seminal track--Suicidal Thoughts.

When I die, fuck it I wanna go to hell
Cause I'm a piece of shit, it ain't hard to fuckin' tell
It don't make sense, goin' to heaven wit the goody-goodies
Dressed in white; I like black Tims and black hoodies
God will probably have me on some real strict shit
No sleepin' all day, no gettin my dick licked
Hangin' with the goody-goodies loungin' in paradise
Fuck that shit, I wanna tote guns and shoot dice
All my life I been considered as the worst
Lyin' to my mother, even stealin' out her purse
Crime after crime, from drugs to extortion
I know my mother wished she got a fuckin' abortion
She don't even love me like she did when I was younger
Suckin' on her chest just to stop my fuckin' hunger
I wonder if I died, would tears come to her eyes?
Forgive me for my disrespect, forgive me for my lies
My babies' mothers 8 months, her little sister's 2
Who's to blame for both of them (naw *****, not you)
I swear to God I just want to slit my wrists and end this bullshit
Throw the Magnum to my head, threaten to pull shit
And squeeze, until the bed's, completely red
I'm glad I'm dead, a worthless fuckin' buddah head
The stress is buildin' up, I can't,
I can't believe suicide's on my fuckin' mind
I want to leave, I swear to God I feel like death is fuckin' callin' me
Naw you wouldn't understand (*****, talk to me please)
You see its kinda like the crack did to Pookie, in New Jack
Except when I cross over, there ain't no comin' back
Should I die on the train track, like Remo in Beatstreet
People at the funeral frontin' like they miss me
My baby momma kissed me but she glad I'm gone
She knew me and her sista had somethin' goin' on
I reach my peak, I can't speak,
call my ***** Chic, tell him that my will is weak.
I'm sick of niggas lyin', I'm sick of bitches hawkin',
matter of fact, I'm sick of talkin'.
[BANG]

mob roulette
07-10-2007, 09:50 PM
What he said.

betao
07-10-2007, 09:57 PM
mm well I've always been more of a Pac fan, still think Me Against The World is one of the greatest rap albums ever.

2pac had the good story telling trait too... brenda's got a baby

summerkid
07-10-2007, 09:58 PM
I Used To Love H.E.R.

Verse three:
I mightve failed to mention that the shit was creative
But once the man got you well he altered the native
Told her if she got an energetic gimmick
That she could make money, and she did it like a dummy
Now I see her in commercials, shes universal
She used to only swing it with the inner-city circle
Now she be in the burbs lickin rock and dressin hip
And on some dumb shit, when she comes to the city
Talkin about poppin glocks servin rocks and hittin switches
Now shes a gangsta rollin with gangsta bitches
Always smokin blunts and gettin drunk
Tellin me sad stories, now she only fucks with the funk
Stressin how hardcore and real she is
She was really the realest, before she got into showbiz
I did her, not just to say that I did it
But Im committed, but so many niggaz hit it
That shes just not the same lettin all these groupies do her
I see niggaz slammin her, and takin her to the sewer
But ima take her back hopin that the shit stop
Cause who Im talkin bout yall is hip-hop

PotVsKtl
07-10-2007, 09:58 PM
the point for me is this: biggie was the first rapper where people would memorize his verses WHOLESALE.

And you want to be my latex salesman.

summerkid
07-10-2007, 10:01 PM
At the time, it was just two crews. However, given the fame and fanbases the two artists were drawing in at the time, it could have turned into something more.

as for Biggie and Pac... pioneers in hip-hop? eh..

I think more credit goes to groups like Sugarhill Gang, KRS One, Run DMC, ATCQ, Public Enemy and the Treacherous Three. Those guys were the REAL pioneers. I'd say people like Pac and Biggie were just really really good rappers of the time.

exactly.

RotationSlimWang
07-10-2007, 10:20 PM
So you guys are seriously claiming that the FANS would have joined in the east/west war? Couple of experts on predicting gang violence that aren't old enough to drink, eh? Cute.

Let me explain something to you about gangbangers--they barely even leave the towns they grow up/run shit in, let alone travel cross-country to beef on behalf of their favorite rappers. The Biggie-Tupac feud was business, which is all it ever is anyway. Saying that the completely fictional east/west war would have spilled over into something more is like saying that when mob families go to war the residents of each family's respective territory would take up the fight too. They don't, 'cause it's of no fucking concern to them.

When Big came out to the West he got ridiculous amounts of love. And although the rap establishment of NY wasn't so friendly towards Death Row, Tupac was equally fucking huge there--it still annoys me to this day that so many people from my home state say Pac was the better of the two (where's the loyalty, not to mention taste?).

You're both talking completely out of your asses, sorry. Please cut it out.

summerkid
07-10-2007, 10:24 PM
So you guys are seriously claiming that the FANS would have joined in the east/west war? .

What? I wasn't saying that at all more that rap was going down a dark/meanspirited/violent path.

RotationSlimWang
07-10-2007, 10:26 PM
Okay... well it DID continue to go down that path, so I still don't know what the fuck either one of you is trying to claim.

PineapplePete
07-10-2007, 10:26 PM
Okay... well it DID continue to go down that path, so I still don't know what the fuck either one of you is trying to claim.

srsly

PineapplePete
07-10-2007, 10:26 PM
Biggie was far better than Pac...Biggie had class and style whereas Pac was a fuckin hood rat

RotationSlimWang
07-10-2007, 10:28 PM
Pete, the last thing we need in this argument are even younger suburban white kids.

summerkid
07-10-2007, 10:29 PM
Okay... well it DID continue to go down that path, so I still don't know what the fuck either one of you is trying to claim.

Somewhat but probably not as much as it would have been their deaths changed the way people handled feuds in rap almost as a cautionary tale.

betao
07-10-2007, 10:30 PM
yeah it continued to go down that path, and got worse after Pac died because some people had thought Biggie was behind it. That didnt help things at all. I'd say Biggie's death finally put an end to the west/east coast rivalry.

PineapplePete
07-10-2007, 10:43 PM
Pete, the last thing we need in this argument are even younger suburban white kids.

am i wrong?

RotationSlimWang
07-10-2007, 11:09 PM
Summer: It wasn't a rap feud, it was a gang-related business feud, and their deaths didn't have any fucking effect on how gangs handle shit.

Beta: For the umpteenth time, there was no east/west feud--it was two figures from two labels, that's it.

Pete: Not about Biggie being better, but saying that he had class and Tupac was a hood rat is kinda silly. Biggie didn't have any class until he had money, we was just another fat motherfucker with a weird eye slingin' shit on the corner with an ugly-ass wife. Also, "hood rat" as a term doesn't apply to men at all. I'm trying to save you from speaking on a subject and lifestyle that you know nothing about--a practice that will always end up making you look like an idiot. It's solid advice, take it.

EDIT FOR PETE: I'm trying to keep you from joining the ranks of teenyboppers talking about shit they know nothing about in this discussion. Even though you're technically agreeing with the right side, you're going to end up looking just as clueless.

i_like_cake530
07-10-2007, 11:11 PM
am i wrong?

no...you're ignorant.

suprefan
07-10-2007, 11:23 PM
Biggie was far better than Pac...Biggie had class and style whereas Pac was a fuckin hood rat

You were barely going to start pre school when lots of this even started happening, so get out of the discussion.

summerkid
07-11-2007, 12:02 AM
Summer: It wasn't a rap feud, it was a gang-related business feud, and their deaths didn't have any fucking effect on how gangs handle shit.
.

Randy, you aren't making any sense here. Nobody said anything about the effect on gangs. You say it was a gang-related business feud? what business was this? it was between two RAP labels. Like i said they serve as a cautionary tale and i don't see how that's debatable seeing how after their deaths a lot of people went out of their way to make ammends and end feuds.

woogie846
07-11-2007, 12:28 AM
Did any of you guys ever see the movie Hardball with Keanu Reeves? That is a great B.I.G. moment right there.

RotationSlimWang
07-11-2007, 12:32 AM
Yes, two rap labels, two specific groups of individuals, not two coasts you dizzy motherfucker. Who went out of their way to make amends about what? THEY WERE THE ONLY FUCKING PEOPLE INVOLVED. ONCE THEY'RE BOTH DEAD, THERE'S NO MORE FUCKING FEUD. It wasn't actually either one of them behind either hit, of course, but this is the point that I keep trying to get through and I can't fucking understand how you haven't gotten it yet: there was nothing to be squashed, no amends to be made or lessons to be learned after the fact, because the shit had been settled by both the figureheads being fucking dead.

The only point you could possibly be making is that after their deaths no one from Death Row or Bad Boy decided to throw their hats into the ring too, but to translate that as their deaths preventing further conflict is completely specious logic because there was no other fucking conflict. By that rationale, Easy E's death also gets credit for the spread of AIDS through the rap community, Big Pun's gets credit for preventing heart attacks, et cetera--except for the little fact that NIGGAS KEEP SHOOTING EACH OTHER. To wit: http://www.rapnews.net/Topics/Shootings/

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betao
07-11-2007, 07:27 AM
Did any of you guys ever see the movie Hardball with Keanu Reeves? That is a great B.I.G. moment right there.

quite possibly the saddest movie i've seen. I get a lump in the throat everytime.

Mr. Dylanja
07-11-2007, 12:10 PM
BIG = BEST EVER. He had everything; style, charisma, delivery, lyricism, story telling ability, the list goes on and on.

"The greatest rapper of all time died on March 9th" Canibus-Second Round KO

Big L was one of the best too! If they were still both around it would be a whole different rap game up there in NYC.

summerkid
07-11-2007, 12:24 PM
Yes, two rap labels, two specific groups of individuals, not two coasts you dizzy motherfucker. Who went out of their way to make amends about what? THEY WERE THE ONLY FUCKING PEOPLE INVOLVED. ONCE THEY'RE BOTH DEAD, THERE'S NO MORE FUCKING FEUD. It wasn't actually either one of them behind either hit, of course, but this is the point that I keep trying to get through and I can't fucking understand how you haven't gotten it yet: there was nothing to be squashed, no amends to be made or lessons to be learned after the fact, because the shit had been settled by both the figureheads being fucking dead.



Those were the two biggest rap labels at the time and would have continued to grow. Look what happened after those two died, it completely changed things. Death Row went under, Bad Boy Records changed the way they do things, and Jay Z became the biggest rapper which lead to the current biggest rapper Kanye West.

RotationSlimWang
07-11-2007, 12:38 PM
Those were the two biggest rap labels at the time and would have continued to grow. Look what happened after those two died, it completely changed things. Death Row went under, Bad Boy Records changed the way they do things, and Jay Z became the biggest rapper which lead to the current biggest rapper Kanye West.

Dude, I really wish you would just stop this. Death Row went under because Suge pissed off all his artists and Snoop and Dre bounced to go be worthless for a while. Bad Boy became about five times more successful as a result of Big's death. Jay didn't really become a powerhouse until several years later, you're completely ignoring Def Jam, and Eminem was bigger than Jay or Kanye.

superfiction
07-11-2007, 12:40 PM
agreed eminem was bigger than both kanye and jay, but jesus he faded out fast. i cant stand to hear anything that guy does anymore. but marshall mathers and slim shady lp are classics in my book

RotationSlimWang
07-11-2007, 12:50 PM
Yeah but it's not like Jay has ever done anything different ever, really. Never understood why people love him so much--he doesn't inflect at all and had nothing to say, and pretty much admitted on The Black Album that up to that point he was just pumping out bullshit to make money without throwing any effort behind it.

As far as Em goes, his last two albums still had some good stuff on them, some of the most impressive shit being the incredibly goofy tracks. Rain Man, for example, has one of the most unique rhyme and meter structures of any rapping ever--I defy you to sing along with that shit perfectly, it took a ridiculous amount of practice. And you have to give him a shitload of credit for (a) matching and possibly even outshining Biggie on Dead Wrong, which makes him the only motherfucker ever to not get straight embarassed by Frank White on a track, and (b) because Kim is arguably the most emotionally pure song of our time. And again, he goes down as one of the greats not just thanks to his insane technical prowess (practically unmatched IMO), but also he rapped about legitimately personal and emotional subjects to a degree I don't think anyone else has, for better or worse.

superfiction
07-11-2007, 12:52 PM
i told you. marshall mathers. kim is crazzy good. thats the track that hooked me in the first place. none of that radio bullshit

summerkid
07-11-2007, 01:02 PM
Dude, I really wish you would just stop this. Death Row went under because Suge pissed off all his artists and Snoop and Dre bounced to go be worthless for a while. you're completely ignoring Def Jam, and Eminem was bigger than Jay or Kanye.

So death Row going under had nothing to do with the death of Tupac? c'mon. Tupac died and Knight got thrown in jail and everyone jumped ship almost immediately. And I'm not ignoring Def Jam they were struggling in the mid 90s.

RotationSlimWang
07-11-2007, 01:15 PM
UGH. Just like Biggie, Tupac made WAY more money for them after he was dead. Death Row falling apart didn't have to do with Tupac getting shot, it had to do with Suge driving all his artists away and getting them so wrapped up in gang and corrupt police ties that he got locked up. Tupac wasn't holding Death Row up--Snoop and Dre made Death Row a powerhouse, Tupac was just the next most popular artist after Doggystyle dropped and the decline began. Remember that Snoop went on trial for murder in the midst of all this. This is what I keep trying to get through to you--all that shit didn't really have anything to do with Pac or Biggie, it was the people behind them, and Suge's fall wasn't related to Pac, it was related to Suge.

Def Jam distributed Roc-A-Fella.

Mr. Dylanja
07-11-2007, 02:21 PM
Em jus pisses me off now, hes kinda like Jay-Z where he doesn't really have anything to say anymore. Its understandable to me, you just lose that drive and hunger. I mean those two were sooooo determined to blow it just pushed and pushed them to a level that's unmatched. Then once they achieved their goals and reached their dreams it's turns into what the hell do I do now? Yeah, they find that zone every once in a while but you can tell the fire is just not burning like it use to. Its like that with almost all music kinda a depressing actually but what can you do besides wait for the next best thing. And I admit Em killed Dead Wrong but the voice just doesn't have the same presence as "Relax and take notes" imho.

RotationSlimWang
07-11-2007, 02:24 PM
Hah, funny you mention that, I've always been torn about Dead Wrong just because of how much more awesome Biggie's voice itself is, but I always think of "when I get dusted" instead.

Mr. Dylanja
07-11-2007, 02:24 PM
BTW, have you guys heard Eminems EP Infinite?? Some of my favorite material from him. Also when he battled Juice at Scribblejam, I really love freestyle cuz to me its almost like a window into someones soul when there in the zone. Just pure music/lyricism combined is a beautiful thing. Juice is the man if you guys dont already know!

J~$$$
07-11-2007, 02:26 PM
*giggles*

Mr. Dylanja
07-11-2007, 02:55 PM
Yikes!! Did i really say that?? mmmmmmmmgay

mob roulette
07-11-2007, 04:45 PM
I want to see a rap battle like now. It doesn't have to be gay. That would be extra funny though.