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thinnerair
03-02-2007, 11:40 AM
What's your top 5 favorite hip hop records of all time. Not necessarily the best, or made the most impact on music or whatever...YOUR FAVORITE 5.


1. Wu-Tang Clan "Enter the 36 Chambers"
2. A Tribe Called Quest 'Low End Theory
3. Mobb Deep "The Infamous"
4. Notorious BIG "Ready to Die"
5. Beastie Boys "Ill Communication"

kimery08
03-02-2007, 11:44 AM
damn. there was this one raekwon album my ex used to make me listen to all the time. i cant remember the name of it but its in my heart.

vinylmartyr
03-02-2007, 11:47 AM
Gangstarr Step In The Arena
Roots Come Alive
De La Soul Da La Soul Is Dead
BDP Edutainment
Run DMC Raising Hell

kreutz2112
03-02-2007, 11:50 AM
Bone Thugs and Harmony - E. 1999
N.W.A - Straight Outta Compton
2Pac - All Eyez on Me
Snoop Dogg - Doggystyle
Dilated Peoples - The Platform

thinnerair
03-02-2007, 11:50 AM
damn. there was this one raekwon album my ex used to make me listen to all the time. i cant remember the name of it but its in my heart.

is it ONLY BUILT 4 CUBAN LINX?
Thats a great f'ing record. I'm actually listening to it right now.

Yablonowitz
03-02-2007, 11:51 AM
No order and just albums I really liked, not saying they're the greatest ever because my hip-hop exposure is fairly shallow:

Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow
The Coup - Pick a Bigger Weapon
Common - Be
Public Enemy - Apocalype 91...The Enemy Strikes Black
Arrested Development - 3 Years 5 Months & 2 Days in the Life of--

schoolofruckus
03-02-2007, 11:51 AM
OutKast - Aquemini (unquestionably the best hip-hop album ever)


Then, in no particular order:

OutKast - Stankonia
Nas - Illmatic
Nas - Stillmatic
Fugees - The Score
Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the 36 Chambers
Jay-Z - Vol. 2...Hard Knock Life
Method Man & Redman - Blackout!
Ras Kass - Soul on Ice
Wyclef Jean - The Carnival
Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
The Roots - Phrenology
Mos Def - Black on Both Sides
DMX - It's Dark and Hell Is Hot (DMX was the shit back when he first started)

kimery08
03-02-2007, 11:54 AM
is it ONLY BUILT 4 CUBAN LINX?
Thats a great f'ing record. I'm actually listening to it right now.

ahhh. i really cant remember the title of it. im going to have to check it out though, its missing from my collection.

J~$$$
03-02-2007, 11:54 AM
Im thinking of putting the lost boyz on my list.....this is going to be hard.

thinnerair
03-02-2007, 11:55 AM
[LIST=1]

Mos Def - Black on Both Sides
DMX - It's Dark and Hell Is Hot (DMX was the shit back when he first started)

both excellent records.
I remember when that DMX record dropped, everyone was blasting it.
I used to hang out with these hardcore and death metal kids and they'd be blasting the shit out of that record.

Another record I wanted to list, but it didn't fit into the 5 was Big Punisher "Capital Punishment"


I also really dug Nas "it was written" waaaaay more than "Stillmatic"

kimery08
03-02-2007, 11:56 AM
i love this thread. its all coming back now...

summerkid
03-02-2007, 11:56 AM
1. Madvillain-Madvillainy
2. The Roots Pherenology
3. Wu-Tang Clan-Enter the 36 Chambers
4. A Tribe Called Quest-Midnight Marauders.
5. Snoop Dogg-Doggystyle

infect ME
03-02-2007, 11:58 AM
THE CHRONIC 2001

kreutz2112
03-02-2007, 11:59 AM
Yes..this thread is awesome. I havent listened to some of these albums since I was a kid. Mind you I was like 12-15 when I heard the albums I listed (except for dilated peoples) I cant wait to go home and listen to "How Do You Want It" and "Shorty Wanna Be a Thug"

thinnerair
03-02-2007, 12:01 PM
You guys really like "Phrenology" that much?
I thought it was aiiight.
I thought "Do You Want More?" was incredible!
Just my two cents.

Kiefer
03-02-2007, 12:03 PM
why hasn't anyone said this...

BLACK STAR by mos def & talib kweli.

for my money, the best hip-hop album ever. i cant think of four others right now. plus i have to go to work. this album is so fucking amazing. and, some of the albums you guys have listed i would personally classify more as 'rap' as opposed to 'hip-hop.'

kimery08
03-02-2007, 12:03 PM
yesterday i heard "get it" (i dont know if that is the correct name) by 2 $hort and i surprised myself at how well i remembered the lyrics. a good 92% of it.

get it while the gettin is good.

bmack86
03-02-2007, 12:05 PM
Doesn't it have to be Only Built 4 Cuban Linx? I think that's the only Raekwon album.

I love A Tribe Called Quest-Low End Theory.
and Wu Tang-Enter the 36 Chambers.

BoardsofCoachella
03-02-2007, 12:06 PM
why hasn't anyone said this...

BLACK STAR by mos def & talib kweli.

for my money, the best hip-hop album ever. i cant think of four others right now. plus i have to go to work. this album is so fucking amazing. and, some of the albums you guys have listed i would personally classify more as 'rap' as opposed to 'hip-hop.'

In my opinion, Hater players is the best track on this already great album.

thinnerair
03-02-2007, 12:08 PM
the Black Star record is good.
I think I like Mos Def "Black on Both Sides" and Talib Kweli "Reflections Eternal" more than the actual Black Star record.

MrAmeche
03-02-2007, 12:12 PM
Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein
Public Enemy - Fear of a Black Planet
GZA - Liquid Swords
ATCQ - Low End Theory
Delton 3030 - Deltron 3030

J~$$$
03-02-2007, 12:12 PM
1.Nas - Illmatic
2. Gang Starr ~Mass Appeal: Best of Gang Starr (I know its a best of but tev.)
3. Wu-Tang ~ Enter the 36 chambers
4. Ghostface ~ Fish scale
5 Tupac~ Greatest Hits (again best of...fuck off)
6. Black Sheep ~ A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing.


...and some dre and snoop for shits and giggles

vinylmartyr
03-02-2007, 12:15 PM
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TomAz
03-02-2007, 12:17 PM
1. Live at the Apollo - James Brown
2. Live at the Regal - BB King
3. Talking Book - Stevie Wonder
4. Ice Pickin' - Albert Collins
5. Marcus Garvey - Burning Spear

J~$$$
03-02-2007, 12:19 PM
Ol' man river.....*singing in a deep voice.*

J~$$$
03-02-2007, 12:37 PM
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nerdynerdnerd
03-02-2007, 12:39 PM
Tribe Called Quest - Low End Theory
Dr. Dre - The Chronic
Public Enemy - Fear of a Black Planet
Lauryn Hill - Miseducation...
Snoop Dogg - Doggystyle

kimery08
03-02-2007, 12:40 PM
i'll karaoke any lauryn hill song.

kreutz2112
03-02-2007, 12:41 PM
i'll karaoke any lauryn hill song.

new thread

thinnerair
03-02-2007, 12:41 PM
i do a bad-ass karaoke version of "Tyrone" by Erykah Badu

kreutz2112
03-02-2007, 12:43 PM
i do a bad-ass karaoke version of "Tyrone" by Erykah Badu

see new thread, I didnt want to junk up this awesome thread with "i would karaoke this" posts

adamnikyo
03-02-2007, 12:55 PM
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rather than post a top five i thought i'd just start reminiscing.

Yablonowitz
03-02-2007, 12:56 PM
and, some of the albums you guys have listed i would personally classify more as 'rap' as opposed to 'hip-hop.'

Showing ignorance again - but what is the difference between the two?

Omar1
03-02-2007, 01:04 PM
2pac-all eyes on me
common- electric circus
the fugges- the score
kanye west- the college dropout
A tribe called quest- beats, rhymes, and life
mos def- black on both sides

kimery08
03-02-2007, 01:06 PM
mase. oh man. im not even gonna lie, i loved him.

adamnikyo
03-02-2007, 01:15 PM
Showing ignorance again - but what is the difference between the two?

I'm sure someone will disagree, but I've always perceived it as a difference in "vibe". Rap is usually associated with negativity, Hip Hop is smarter. But artists whose music is considered Hip Hop are indeed rapping.

vinylmartyr
03-02-2007, 01:41 PM
Showing ignorance again - but what is the difference between the two?

Rapping is what you do. Hip Hop is like a lifestyle. Hip Hop is rapping, breaking, graffing, beat boxing. Basically all around b boy stuff. Kiefer does not know what he's talking about.

No one says I was hip hopping to this ill break. They say I was rapping.

BoardsofCoachella
03-02-2007, 01:44 PM
1. De La Soul 3 feet high and rising
2. Tribe called Quest Low end Theory
3. Dr. Dooom First come, First served
4. Dr. Octagon Dr. Octagonecologyst
5. DJ Shadow - Endtroducing

vinylmartyr
03-02-2007, 01:46 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip-hop

Here Greg read for yourself.

BoardsofCoachella
03-02-2007, 01:54 PM
I'm sure someone will disagree, but I've always perceived it as a difference in "vibe". Rap is usually associated with negativity, Hip Hop is smarter. But artists whose music is considered Hip Hop are indeed rapping.

word...there IS a difference.

vinylmartyr
03-02-2007, 01:59 PM
ALL Rap albums are considered Hip Hop.

jackstraw94086
03-02-2007, 02:01 PM
word...there IS a difference.

just read the wiki article vinyl posted. wiki actually does have it right sometimes.

"Hip Hop" is a broad urban aesthetic.

There are 4 commonly accepted elements:
1. Breakdancing
2. graffiti
3. DJ
4. MC (rapping, whether it's conscious or commercial)

This isn't made up. The old school hip hop luminaries came up with this.
Each of the elements isn't meant to be taken completely literally (i.e. "graffiti" refers to most urban art, not just spraypainting gang shit. Likewise, "Breakdancing" means dancing to hip hop music, not necessarily doing the "worm" and spinning on your head. you could be standing in place doing the Laura, or the kid n play, or waving your arms doing that stupid Laffy Taffy shit)

vinylmartyr
03-02-2007, 02:02 PM
Hip Hop is not a style of rapping. There is conscious rap, gangster rap, horror rap, Hyphy, crunk, battle, etc...

sonofhal
03-02-2007, 02:24 PM
1 - Pauls Boutique - Beastie Boys
2 - Yo! Bum Rush The Show - Public Enemy
3 - Criminal Minded - Boogie Down Productions
4 - Lyte As A Rock - MC Lyte
5 - Critical Beatdown - Ultramagnetic MCs

A special mention to the CB4 soundtrack - Straight Out Of Locash

schoolofruckus
03-02-2007, 02:37 PM
Fucking shit, I can't believe I slept on Beastie Boys. I knew there was someone I was forgetting (actually, there are many more that I just haven't been reminded of yet). "Paul's Boutique" is easily in my top 5 favorites.

And I should have put "ATLiens" as well, but I didn't want it to be an all OutKast list. By the way, I'm disappointed in everyone except Adam for not having one of their multiple classics (and no, I'm not talking about "Speakerboxxx/The Love Below") on their shortlists.

dorkfish
03-02-2007, 03:05 PM
bdp - criminal minded
beastie boys - pauls boutique
enter the wu-tang
the coup - party music
just ice - the desolate one

sonofhal
03-02-2007, 03:59 PM
Fucking shit, I can't believe I slept on Beastie Boys. I knew there was someone I was forgetting (actually, there are many more that I just haven't been reminded of yet). "Paul's Boutique" is easily in my top 5 favorites.

And I should have put "ATLiens" as well, but I didn't want it to be an all OutKast list. By the way, I'm disappointed in everyone except Adam for not having one of their multiple classics (and no, I'm not talking about "Speakerboxxx/The Love Below") on their shortlists.

Aquemini nearly made mine, but i'm just too much of an old school addict

Down Rodeo
03-02-2007, 04:05 PM
It's between these three:

Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back
Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory

ocpathfinder
03-02-2007, 04:52 PM
bdp - criminal minded
beastie boys - pauls boutique
enter the wu-tang
the coup - party music
just ice - the desolate one

fuckin' a bard. goin' way way back to the early days...

NeverMyopic
03-02-2007, 07:47 PM
In no particular order:

The Roots - Things Fall Apart
De La Soul - Del Soul is Dead
Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded
Nas - Illmatic
A Tribe Called Quest - People's Instinctive Travels...
Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back
Ice-T - Power
N.W.A. - Straight Outa Compton
Outkast - Southernplayaisticcadillacmusic/ATLiens
Common - Like Water for Chocolate
2 Pac - All Eyez on Me
Digital Underground - Sex Packets
Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - The Message
Immortal Technique - Revolutionary Vol. 2
Digable Planets - Reachin' (A New Refutation...)

That should do...basically albums I never get sick of and could listen to anytime. There are a few more as well.

Bosco
03-02-2007, 07:54 PM
my favorite hip hop album of all time:

Quasimoto- The Unseen

http://www.stonesthrow.com/records/covers/quasimoto-unseen2-400.jpg

BoardsofCoachella
03-02-2007, 07:56 PM
my favorite hip hop album of all time:

Quasimoto- The Unseen

http://www.stonesthrow.com/records/covers/quasimoto-unseen2-400.jpg

...Can't believe I forgot this one as well.

Bosco
03-02-2007, 08:05 PM
...Can't believe I forgot this one as well.

yeah, well i cant believe this thread has gone this far, without the names Eric B. & Rakim being mentioned... shame :nono

BoardsofCoachella
03-02-2007, 08:10 PM
yeah, well i cant believe this thread has gone this far, without the names Eric B. & Rakim being mentioned... shame :nono

...Or Aceyalone

CuervoPH
03-02-2007, 08:11 PM
Mine is gonna have a lot of repeats of earlier posters but here are some of my faves:

1. A Tribe Called Quest - Low End Theory
2. Public Enemy - (Yo Bum Rush The Show, It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back, Fear Of A Black Planet, Apocalypse 91 The Enemy Strikes Black)
3. Nas - (Illmatic, It Was Written)
4. NWA - Straight Outta Compton
5. The Coup (Genocide & Juice, Pick A Bigger Weapon)
6. Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
7. Digable Planets - Reachin (A new Refutation of Time and Space)
8. The Roots - (Things Fall Apart, Phrenology, Game Theory)

bigc1
03-02-2007, 08:22 PM
Beastie Boys - Pauls Boutique
A Tribe Called Quest - Low End Theory
Madvillain - Madvillainy
Eric B. & Rakim - Paid in Full
Dr. Dre - The Chronic

J~$$$
03-02-2007, 08:23 PM
I cannot believe I did not put Bizarre Ride II by the Pharcyde on my list.

nothingman00
03-02-2007, 08:53 PM
I read the first post, but didn't want to be influenced by others:
1) NAS-Illmatic (by a fukking mile)
2) ATCQ- Low End Theory
3) NWA- Straight Outta Compton
4) Makavelli
5)Pharcyde-The Bizarreryde...

Actually, after 1 & 2, it doesn't really matter...

nothingman00
03-02-2007, 08:58 PM
And now after a quick glance, I can't believe I forgot any Public Enemy "Fear of a Black Planet"... Dammit all.

John Peel is My Co-pilot
03-02-2007, 09:05 PM
Vanilla Ice - 2 The Extreme...

John Peel is My Co-pilot
03-02-2007, 09:09 PM
All joking aside...

Public Enemy - Fear of a Black Planet (by miles, my favorite)
Run DMC - Raising Hell
Afrika Bambaataa - Looking For The Perfect Beat (without whom, none of this etc....)
DJ Shadow - Endtroducing

adamnikyo
03-02-2007, 09:48 PM
not that i'm disagreeing with anyone, but arguing the "Hip Hop / Rap" thing is similar to arguing the "Indie" thing.

Kiefer
03-02-2007, 10:41 PM
shit, sorry i even mentioned anything. i forgot how godly vinyl is to people on this board. you can think what you want. i guess it is kinda like arguing the indie thing, really. but, if you stand common next to fucking 2pac, i would be inclined to call common hip hop and 2pac rap. and please, dont start telling me 'i know nothing about music,' lest i remind you you are trying to prove something using wikipedia. come off it.

xxxxxxxxxx
03-02-2007, 10:48 PM
epmd - strictly business
ll cool j - mama said knock you out

jackstraw94086
03-03-2007, 10:02 AM
not that i'm disagreeing with anyone, but arguing the "Hip Hop / Rap" thing is similar to arguing the "Indie" thing.

no, because there is actually an answer to the definition of hip hop.

Yablonowitz
03-03-2007, 10:32 AM
no, because there is actually an answer to the definition of hip hop.

OK, I just read that now and found it interesting and...well...I guess I knew that already. I just never thought of hip hop as having to include the other elements like breakdancing and art...but that makes sense to me.

The thing I'm wondering is there was some coverage about Nas' new album "Hip Hop is Dead" and what he's referring to. Is he talking about the co-optation of hip-hop FROM an alternative to gang-fighting and violence TO a means for glorifying and contuing the violence involved with gang rivalries?

This describes hip hop as a subculture that actually provided a way for street gangs to compete without resorting to violence and misogyny. If I read it right. Is Nas saying that's been lost?

I realize how white I sound here. Can't help my roots.

BTW - I just started listening to Illmatic - Christ that's a pretty impressive album.

ClearlyImaginative
03-03-2007, 10:37 AM
I agree with what a lot of people have said but gotta throw one more in there



Lost Boyz -- Legal Drug Money.

full on idle
03-03-2007, 11:00 AM
Public Enemy - Fear of a Black Planet
Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold us Back
Nas - Illmatic
Run DMC - Raising Hell
Dead Prez - Revolutionary But Gangsta
The Coup - Pick a Bigger Weapon
Aesop Rock - Labor Days
Deltron 3030

Abe Lincoln
03-04-2007, 06:08 AM
How come no one has yet mentioned:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6c/Kris_kross.jpg

gaypalmsprings
03-04-2007, 06:58 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/22/Hiphopisdead1.jpg

thinnerair
03-04-2007, 07:38 AM
Ud-CTiJh9V4

adamnikyo
03-04-2007, 11:41 AM
no, because there is actually an answer to the definition of hip hop.
Then why - back in the early 90s - do I remember reading an article in the The Source about how people have different definitions of what Hip Hop and Rap are? How can you say there is a clear definition for something that's cultural and therefore perceived differently depending on where you're from or who you are? How do you convince me that there's an end-all authority on what theses things mean?

jackstraw94086
03-04-2007, 05:07 PM
Then why - back in the early 90s - do I remember reading an article in the The Source about how people have different definitions of what Hip Hop and Rap are? How can you say there is a clear definition for something that's cultural and therefore perceived differently depending on where you're from or who you are? How do you convince me that there's an end-all authority on what theses things mean?


So there's an article about how people have different definitions for hip hop and rap. How does that one article prove that they actually are different? All that proves is that some people are confused. It happens.

The most likely reason that people are trying to distinguish "rap" from hip hop is because they see it as a bastardization. They'd rather not have it soil hip hop's reputation and denigrate its value in society. Thus they are trying to disassociate it. Hip Hop purists who want to advance the culture don't want to be lumped in with thugs who purvey the image of violence and ignorance. It makes sense.

I don't intend to convince you of anything. I didn't make this up. Go watch a movie like Scratch and you'll hear some of the originators of hip hop say it. I'm simply parroting information here. Hip Hop isn't a sub-genre of music. It's a culture of artistic expression in the forms of music, poetry, dance, and visual art.

Again, I've said nothing original or authoritative. A quick google search will yield all of this.

SubBass49
03-04-2007, 06:25 PM
Run DMC - Raising Hell
Beastie Boys - License to Ill
Talib Kweli - Right About Now
Mos Def - Black on Both Sides
The Roots - Things Fall Apart

In no particular order of course. The first two got meinto hip-hop in the first place...the rest gave me hope that hip-hop hadn't died yet.

grain
03-04-2007, 06:30 PM
"enter the 36 chambers" -wu tang

although not the best, a favorite of mine is still

"bizarre ride to the pharcyde" - pharcyde
" do you want more" - the roots

SojuGorae
03-04-2007, 07:15 PM
1. The Chronic - Dr. Dre
2. Wu Tang Clan - Iron Flag
3. Things Fall Apart - The Roots
4. The Score - Fugees
5. All Eyez On Me - Tupac
6. Black On both Sides - Mos Def
7. Illmatic - Nas
8. Mosaic Thump - De La Soul
9. Beats Rhymes & Life - A Tribe Called Quest
10. Blowout Comb - Digable Planets

adamnikyo
03-04-2007, 07:49 PM
Again, I've said nothing original or authoritative.
Exactly, there is no authority. Just as I could do a quick google to reveal things that back up everything you've said, you could google to find that are people who agree with my understanding. Just because in the movie, "Scratch", they say some things, why does that invalidate an article I've read? I'm asking; why do I have to be wrong, and you have to be right?

C DUB YA
03-04-2007, 07:51 PM
Is it possibel to not have a favorite?

bballarl
03-04-2007, 09:14 PM
This is difficult.

Wu-Tang Clan - 36 Chambers
De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising
A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory
Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
Beastie Boys - Ill Communication
Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation of Millions...
The Fugees - The Score

Plus other stuff.

jackstraw94086
03-04-2007, 09:31 PM
Exactly, there is no authority. Just as I could do a quick google to reveal things that back up everything you've said, you could google to find that are people who agree with my understanding. Just because in the movie, "Scratch", they say some things, why does that invalidate an article I've read? I'm asking; why do I have to be wrong, and you have to be right?


dude, this isn't about me having to be right or trying to prove you wrong. You're just being argumentative because it's me or something. Go ahead and call me a know-it-all. It really doesn't bother me. I'm not calling you ignorant. I realize a lot of people have heard and perpetuated the idea you hold. Just because a lot of people think something doesn't mean it can't be a misaprehension.

The "they" you refer to in films like scratch are definitely the type of people who can speak authoritatively about crap like this. Besides, I only mentioned the film as an example, but it probably carries far more weight than some columnist from The Source.

Did you really try to google evidence of your understanding of hip hop? If so then tell me how you did it because I'm having trouble. On the flipside, try googling "definition of hip hop". You'll see that almost every result mentions that it's a culture, and most articles directly reference the 4 elements. I also tried "hip hop vs rap" and likewise, everything I looked at also described hip hop as a culture/lifestyle and rap as a part of it. What am I missing?

hip hop being distinctly different than rap is a haughty indie notion, and I've never heard that idea reasonably defended. Rap as a component of Hip Hop, however, is a well documented idea, and it comes from the the people who created it.

-EDIT: to remove some reflex antagonism.

keriann
03-04-2007, 09:37 PM
Personal favorites:

OutKast - ATLiens
OutKast - Aquemini
The Fugees - The Score
A Tribe Called Quest - The Anthology
2Pac - All Eyez on Me

I'd say Miseducation of Lauryn Hill too but in my mind that album is more R&B than hip-hop.

bballarl
03-04-2007, 09:42 PM
dude, this isn't about me having to be right or trying to prove you wrong. You're just being argumentative because it's me or something. Go ahead and call me a know-it-all. It really doesn't bother me. You're holding on to an extremely weak argument and you'd realize it if it wasn't me arguing with you.

The "they" you refer to in films like scratch are definitely the type of people who can speak authoritatively about crap like this. Besides, I only mentioned the film as an example, but it probably carries far more weight than some columnist from The Source.

Did you really try to google evidence of your understanding of hip hop before stating what you just did? If so then tell me how you did it because I'm having trouble. On the flipside, try googling "definition of hip hop". You'll see that almost every result mentions that it's a culture, and most articles directly reference the 4 elements. I also tried "hip hop vs rap" and likewise, everything I looked at also described hip hop as a culture/lifestyle and rap as a part of it. What am I missing?

hip hop being distinctly different than rap is a haughty indie notion, and I've never heard that idea reasonably defended. Rap as a component of Hip Hop, however, is a well documented idea, and it comes from the the people who created it.

While I haven't read the previous components of this argument, I guess what Adam is referring to is that rap seems to describe the more mainstream party music while hip-hop has a more intelligent connotation. I have heard people make this distinction before, official or not.

jackstraw94086
03-04-2007, 09:53 PM
While I haven't read the previous components of this argument, I guess what Adam is referring to is that rap seems to describe the more mainstream party music while hip-hop has a more intelligent connotation. I have heard people make this distinction before, official or not.

some people say that because they don't like the idea of listening to a genre that contains mainstream crap. indie and underground people are notorious for sub-dividing genres. We all know why they do it. Blackthought and Mos Def are rappers just like 50cent's a rapper. They both make rap/hip hop music. They're both a part of hip hop culture.

full on idle
03-04-2007, 10:09 PM
I like Luda.

SubBass49
03-04-2007, 11:37 PM
Nah...bullshit. 50 Cent aint' hip-hop. Sorry. He's a mumbling idiot that gets paid to talk about how tough he is or how many women he can get. Don't put him on the same level with Black Thought & Mos Def.

the hip-hop vs. rap argument has nothing to do with divisions along mainstream and non-mainstream lines. It has to do with content, lyrics, and culture. You have some pretty mainstream hip-hop heads like Talib Kweli, Common, and Mos Def. You have some underground rappers like (until recently) E-40, Mac Dre, Mr. Shadow, and Keak Da Sneak.

So yeah...bottom line...hip-hop & rap are different. Ask krs-ONE.

"Rap is something you do...hip-hop is something you LIVE"

-- J

Courtney
03-04-2007, 11:53 PM
I wish that I knew enough about hip hop to answer this question with any authority.

jackstraw94086
03-05-2007, 12:11 AM
Nah...bullshit. 50 Cent aint' hip-hop. Sorry. He's a mumbling idiot that gets paid to talk about how tough he is or how many women he can get. Don't put him on the same level with Black Thought & Mos Def.

the hip-hop vs. rap argument has nothing to do with divisions along mainstream and non-mainstream lines. It has to do with content, lyrics, and culture. You have some pretty mainstream hip-hop heads like Talib Kweli, Common, and Mos Def. You have some underground rappers like (until recently) E-40, Mac Dre, Mr. Shadow, and Keak Da Sneak.

So yeah...bottom line...hip-hop & rap are different. Ask krs-ONE.

"Rap is something you do...hip-hop is something you LIVE"

-- J

It sounds like you're mixing up some points being argued. I agree that rap vs hip hop has nothing to do with mainstream, but I don't believe content excludes one from rap. There's good rap and bad rap, but Mos Def, 50 Cent, and even Keak Da Sneak are rappers. It doesn't matter if you subdivide yourselves into dirty south or hyphy or crunk or whatever. You could be talking about smackin bitches or the civil rights movement. You're rapping. So I'm not putting Mos Def and 50 Cent on the same level, just the same genre. Every genre has good and bad in it.

When KRS one said "rap is something you do, hip hop is something you LIVE" he was complaining about the state hip hop music and how current mainstream rappers of the time were losing the hip hop fundamentals.

Rap is something you do, hip hop is something you live.
The difference is kids nowadays, they got the videos.
Rappers don't need skills to build so they don't really know.
Hear me yo, I'm four times on Arsenio,
got ten videos, but does that help me flow? No.
That's why when I come to the show MC's act like they don't know
cause they were too young to rock up in the disco
Frisco disco the disc is like a Nabisco
chocolate chip cookie, don't fuck with me rookie.
He's not disqualifying "rap" from hip hop, he's challenging the new generation of rappers, haranguing them for being sellouts, having no talent, and forgetting their roots. That's what b-boys do. Challenging other MC's is a fundamental cornerstone of rapping and thus of hip hop. It's a rap song.
Later in the song he goes on to say

but back in the day I knew rap would never die
which sounds to me like he's calling himself a rapper. He's a rapper that understands hip hop, but these new punks don't. That's different from what these other guys are saying, which is that rap and hip hop are now separate genres. Where would that leave KRS-One? Is he no longer rap? He seems to think he is.

And you cannot arbitrarily eject 50 Cent from hip hop because you don't like him.

so rap and hip hop ARE different in that rap is a form of hip hop, but they are not two separate genres of music.

bmack86
03-05-2007, 12:23 AM
Jack has an understanding of what the original idea of Hip hop is. In my opinion, Hip Hop has never strayed from that original definition (being a title for a street culture, which includes Graf, Rap, Breaking and other shit) but some people have misconstrued the term. Jeff Chang's book, Can't Stop Won't Stop; The History of Hip Hop follows this line of thinking, and describes the whole hip hop culture. If he went by what you other guys are trying to say, then his history would have been of a specific style of rap music. Hip Hop is a lifestyle that rap is one part of. O, and as far as Chang goes, my Urban Studies prof told me, and I quote, "That man knows his shit. He's hip hop to the core."

jackstraw94086
03-05-2007, 12:39 AM
In college I took History of Rock n Roll and we finished the syllabus so quickly that the professor (tiny ex-hippie chick) decided to spend the extra time on hip hop because to understand it's influence on modern rock. She talked about how rapping started as b-boys battling in the streets. She brought in some kool moe dee sunglasses and a big gold chain and challenged some students to battle. Funny shit. She called my friend a rice krispy cracker-jack, and she'd snap, crackle, and pop the hack back to the dorm, before even getting warm.

bmack86
03-05-2007, 01:03 AM
Hip hop was on our syllabus for the Rock and Roll, Jazz, Soul and Funk classes I've taken

gratytrainridesagain
03-05-2007, 01:07 AM
Sweet and simple "E.P.M.D. is the world to me". That's right I'm housin'.

kennycarly
03-05-2007, 02:20 AM
This is hard but.

1. Hilltop hoods - The hard road.
2. The Roots - Phrenology (and the rest)
3. Talib Kweli - Beautiful Struggle
4. Wu Tang - 36 Chambers
5. Beastie boys - Licensed to Ill

nooduls
03-05-2007, 03:25 AM
deltron - 3030
blackalicious - nia
jedi mind tricks - the psycho social, chemical, biological and electro.. blah blha bablah
krs one - a retrospective, or boom bap, or any other
asheru and blue black - soon come

and arrested development greatest hits

vinylmartyr
03-05-2007, 03:50 AM
These are all Hip Hop videos.

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Ud-CTiJh9V4

vinylmartyr
03-05-2007, 03:57 AM
make em say uhhh

betao
03-05-2007, 05:45 AM
mm my favorites...

Mos Def - Black on Both Sides (probably the best)
Mos Def/Talib Kweli - Black Star
2pac - Me Against the World
Bone Thugs-N-Harmony - E 1999 Eternal
Nappy Roots - Wooden Leather

adamnikyo
03-05-2007, 07:36 AM
Jack - I'm not being argumentative, I feel like you are. I'm not calling you a know-it-all or that you have to be right all the time. I'm just asking why you won't acknowledge that an opinion quite a lot of people have is valid. I've yet to see you or anyone else say something that conclusively states things are one way and not the other. I offered up my understanding and you were the one who was quick to tell me I was wrong. Why can't both of our opinions be right? We're interpreting culture - why does your interpretation of it have to be the right one? Because some of the originators of Hip Hop agree with you? I remember a lot of west coast rappers in the 90s, who made a distinction between Rap and Hip Hop. These weren't indie hipsters, they were guys who decided that what they were doing wasn't the same thing as Hip Hop. But you're going to say, "No, they can't do that, they can't define their own music because the people who started Hip Hop say so."

SojuGorae
03-05-2007, 07:53 AM
Nah...bullshit. 50 Cent aint' hip-hop. Sorry. He's a mumbling idiot that gets paid to talk about how tough he is or how many women he can get. Don't put him on the same level with Black Thought & Mos Def.


-- J


You know there are two types of rap music and you can like both types. If I'm at a club, the last thing I want to be listening to is a fucking Common track.

At a club, I want to hear shitty rap music with misogynistic lyrics, a banging hook, and beats tighter than Ann Coulter's ass.

jackstraw94086
03-05-2007, 08:04 AM
Jack - I'm not being argumentative, I feel like you are. I'm not calling you a know-it-all or that you have to be right all the time. I'm just asking why you won't acknowledge that an opinion quite a lot of people have is valid. I've yet to see you or anyone else say something that conclusively states things are one way and not the other. I offered up my understanding and you were the one who was quick to tell me I was wrong. Why can't both of our opinions be right? We're interpreting culture - why does your interpretation of it have to be the right one? Because some of the originators of Hip Hop agree with you? I remember a lot of west coast rappers in the 90s, who made a distinction between Rap and Hip Hop. These weren't indie hipsters, they were guys who decided that what they were doing wasn't the same thing as Hip Hop. But you're going to say, "No, they can't do that, they can't define their own music because the people who started Hip Hop say so."

Who? Who are these lot of west coast rappers who said their hip hop isn't rap? I told you I tried to find examples of this and I had trouble. They really do sound like hip hop version of hipsters because that's an incredibly hipster thing to say. When rappers say stuff to each other "you ain't hip hop" they really mean they aren't quality hip hop (like the KRS 1 was doing in "Rap vs Hip Hop"). They're not creating new music genres. I think this is where the confusion comes from. When a rapper calls himself real hip hop he's saying he adheres to hip hop as a whole. He's not saying he's not rap anymore. He's just saying he's something more.

I'm not saying I'm right because the definers of hip hop agree with me. I'm saying I'm right because I quoting them. There's a difference. This is as text book as it can get. That said, I realize genres can change over time and redefine themselves, but removing rap from hip hop is not exactly a subtle point that can be really argued.

J~$$$
03-05-2007, 08:06 AM
"you ain't hip hop"

jackstraw94086
03-05-2007, 08:09 AM
exactly.

adamnikyo
03-05-2007, 08:21 AM
Honestly, I don't remember who said what. I listened to a lot of LA/Bay area hardcore gangsta shit about 15 years ago. I remember when the East and West coast were really warring and rappers like Dru Down, Spice 1, MC Eiht, RBL Posse, Above the Law, etc. would say things straight out like, "Fuck the East Coast, fuck Hip Hop, this is Rap." There wasn't much room for interpretation. I don't remember who said what specifically and I don't remember what albums or songs. I don't need to remember, I'm not trying to prove that I'm right. I understand exactly what you're saying, and I agree with you. I know there are people who say it's all Hip Hop and Rap is just a part of it, and I know there are others who say there is a whole other kind of music called Rap. You're the only one who's telling anybody they're wrong.

J~$$$
03-05-2007, 08:26 AM
Whats Beef?

Yablonowitz
03-05-2007, 08:26 AM
One thing I don't get is that a lot of acts that seem to be called hip hop don't include the dancing, the art, etc. Like Blackalicious, for example. I don't see any urban art and dancing pads hanging around with those guys. What am I not understanding? Please interpret that question in the strictest sense possible to save time if you choose to respond.

adamnikyo
03-05-2007, 08:27 AM
Here's a random quote I found by the Google:

The real hip hop stays underground and never sells out to be mainstream. Once its mainstream, it should be called just rapping, not hip hop! Hip hop was born underground and should stay underground. Hip hop should also not be asociated with gangs and drugs.

I think that was somewhere on Urban Dictionary

J~$$$
03-05-2007, 08:27 AM
Uh-uh (ask yourself, do you know what beef is?)
Uh-uh, uhh

jackstraw94086
03-05-2007, 08:31 AM
Honestly, I don't remember who said what. I listened to a lot of LA/Bay area hardcore gangsta shit about 15 years ago. I remember when the East and West coast were really warring and rappers like Dru Down, Spice 1, MC Eiht, RBL Posse, Above the Law, etc. would say things straight out like, "Fuck the East Coast, fuck Hip Hop, this is Rap." There wasn't much room for interpretation. I don't remember who said what specifically and I don't remember what albums or songs. I don't need to remember, I'm not trying to prove that I'm right. I understand exactly what you're saying, and I agree with you. I know there are people who say it's all Hip Hop and Rap is just a part of it, and I know there are others who say there is a whole other kind of music called Rap. You're the only one who's telling anybody they're wrong.

I think you are misinterpreting what they were saying. If some rapper actually did say that then it's most likely being just them being sick to the repeated accusations from east coast rappers. It's like Bono declaring that Rock n Roll is dead. U2 is a great rock band, but it's just a statement about the state of rock n roll and how he doesn't like being associated with what's going on now. No matter how influential U2 is, not even Bono is qualified to remove himself from Rock or say what bands belong in it or not. There are many different types of rock just as there many different types of hip hop music.


And btw that quote you just pulled up about hip hop cannot be mainstream is one of the most pretentious ideas in hip hop. Doesn't make it true. If someone else had quoted that in a different context you'd probably blast them.

adamnikyo
03-05-2007, 08:34 AM
Rap is not hip hop, loving someone is not being in love with them.

From the film "Brown Sugar"

Incorrect. Rap is often included in hip-hop, but all rap is not hip-hop.From Wikipedia's Featured Article Candidate page.

J~$$$
03-05-2007, 08:35 AM
I think thats where the distinction came from rap was defined as west coast style and hip hop as east coast style.

jackstraw94086
03-05-2007, 08:38 AM
One thing I don't get is that a lot of acts that seem to be called hip hop don't include the dancing, the art, etc. Like Blackalicious, for example. I don't see any urban art and dancing pads hanging around with those guys. What am I not understanding? Please interpret that question in the strictest sense possible to save time if you choose to respond.

First of all, there is most definitely art happening in the same scenes that Blackalicious is in. The last time I saw Gift of Gab and Lateef The Truth Speaker at the Independent there were two muralists performing during the show. This is common around here, which is where they're from. However, I think you're misunderstanding the idea. Just because rappers don't have people doing art of breakdancing in front of them doesn't mean it's not hip hop. It's just hip hop music. It's not like you don't have to have every element going on at once to qualify. Rap is just a part of hip hop.

Yablonowitz
03-05-2007, 08:40 AM
What about low-fi hip hop versus low fi rap

And high fi hip hop versus high fi rap?

jackstraw94086
03-05-2007, 08:41 AM
From the film "Brown Sugar"
From Wikipedia's Featured Article Candidate page.

You can quote a few movies and carefully extract a few quotes from wikipedia all you want. Life is fraught with contrary opinions, but the vast majority of evidence proves you wrong.

There are people that will swear up and down that the holocaust didn't happen. They could even use the internet to give you a small bit of evidence. Is their opinion as valid as everyone else's?

adamnikyo
03-05-2007, 08:44 AM
Obviously, these things mean different things to a lot of different people.
I don't know why some of us have such a hard time acknowledging that.

jackstraw94086
03-05-2007, 08:47 AM
I'm not having a hard time acknowledging how different people could think different things.

If you want to continue believing that there is such a thing as rap that is not hip hop that's fine. I don't know why you have a hard time understanding my right to disagree with you about that.

adamnikyo
03-05-2007, 09:40 AM
It's a free country.

jackstraw94086
03-05-2007, 09:47 AM
It's a free country.

nuh uh

dorkfish
03-05-2007, 09:49 AM
Rap is something you do.

Hip Hop is something you ______

adamnikyo
03-05-2007, 09:56 AM
Brad's late to the party again.

PotVsKtl
03-05-2007, 09:57 AM
Jack is correct. The hip-hop/rap genre distinction shellgame is for white boys whose favorite hip-hop albums include Deltron.

SojuGorae
03-05-2007, 10:01 AM
Jack is correct. The hip-hop/rap genre distinction shellgame is for white boys whose favorite hip-hop albums include Deltron.

Was thinking the same thing. And you should add Jurassic 5 to the list of "white-boy" hip-hop acts.

ghettojournalist
03-05-2007, 10:04 AM
Public Enemy "It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back"
N.W.A. "Straight Outta Compton"
Beastie Boys "Paul's Boutique"
The Notorious B.I.G. "Ready to Die"
Dr. Dre "The Chronic"

decade:
Jay-Z "The Blueprint"
Kanye West "College Dropout"
Dizzee Rascal "Boy in Da Corner"
The Streets "A Grand Don't Come for Free"
M.I.A. "Arular"

adamnikyo
03-05-2007, 10:26 AM
The hip-hop/rap genre distinction shellgame is for white boys whose favorite hip-hop albums include Deltron.
Ok, cracker.

adamnikyo
03-05-2007, 10:45 AM
Did you guys know there's a Hip Hop Museum being built in New York?
When asked if it would include Gangsta Rap...


We're not talking about gangsta rap. We're talking about hip-hop. Anybody can be a thug', Seabrook said in reference to artists like 50 Cent, Tupac, Lil' Kim and The Game. They are not to be included in the museum, because their music is seen as a clear departure from the original '70s hip-hop, with lyrics that promote misogyny and violence.

Instead, those whose names are going to be mentioned are the pioneers Doug E. Fresh, Grandmaster Flash, Kool Herk and Afrika Bambaataa. They are the very same persons who are presently involved in the development of the museum but they have been chosen as representatives of the hip-hop genre...

jackstraw94086
03-05-2007, 11:35 AM
he's simply excluding parts of hip hop he doen't like. Doug E. Fresh, Grandmaster Flash, and Kool Herk are all rappers.

Again, the "you ain't hip hop" notion doesn't mean they don't fit into the technical definition of the genre, it generally means that you feel it isn't a good representation of hip hop.

When this guy says "we're talking about hip hop" he probably means "quality hip hop". Why do you think the question of gansta rap was even posed to him?

thinnerair
03-05-2007, 11:49 AM
what I think Jack is saying is that a spade is a spade.

jackstraw94086
03-05-2007, 11:53 AM
racist.

TomAz
03-05-2007, 12:00 PM
I like Grandmaster Flash.

jackstraw94086
03-05-2007, 12:07 PM
This thread has inspired me to make a hip hop(ish) mix tonight. I may not finish it tonight, but soon enough.

I was planning on making lloacheca 2007, but the pool of material based on the current lineup is very weak.

adamnikyo
03-05-2007, 12:15 PM
Just don't put any Rap on it. Then it wouldn't be very Hip Hop.

jackstraw94086
03-05-2007, 12:27 PM
It's gonna rap you upside the head and hip hop right up your ass.

TomAz
03-05-2007, 12:29 PM
I like Kurtis Blow.

mob roulette
03-05-2007, 12:30 PM
slick rick>metric

just staying in the spirit of things here.

adamnikyo
03-05-2007, 01:04 PM
It's gonna rap you upside the head and hip hop right up your ass.

I can get with that.

thinnerair
03-05-2007, 02:26 PM
hip hop? sounds like something a bunny would listen to.
-marcia brady

mob roulette
03-05-2007, 02:29 PM
dead prez is bigger than hip hop.

and all young kings get their heads chopped off. basquiat said that. appropos of nothing. bitches.

SojuGorae
03-05-2007, 02:44 PM
dead prez is bigger than hip hop.

and all young kings get their heads chopped off. basquiat said that. appropos of nothing. bitches.

Wasn't basquiat that homeless dude who got famous for his doodles.

I wish I got famous for my doodles. Of course, my doodles mostly consist of boobies and the reefer leaf.

What kind of doodles did Basquiat do?

Hannahrain
03-05-2007, 02:44 PM
http://www.thecityreview.com/f04ccon1n.jpg



Amazing ones.

full on idle
03-05-2007, 09:15 PM
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/03/05/DDG3MOE3041.DTL
ps

Local hip-hop artists Boots Riley from the Coup and rapper and producer Kirby Dominant express reservations about hip-hop university classes. "One time, someone came up to me, and said, 'I know so-and-so, they're a professor at Harvard, they're a big fan of your work,' " Riley says in a phone interview. "But that doesn't impress me more than any other people feeling that way. I don't need to be validated by academia because that presupposes that academia is a pure endeavor and not guided by market forces, which is not the case.

Yablonowitz
03-05-2007, 09:19 PM
Bill Cosby
Fats Domino
B.B. King
Al Roker
Dennis Johnson

All of rap is senseless histrionics and unbearable affectations.

full on idle
03-05-2007, 09:20 PM
hahahaha

jackstraw94086
03-06-2007, 12:56 AM
almost finished that mix, adam. I'm workin' hard for you, I swear. I had a killer idea while making it that I want to work on properly tomorrow.

Justin's gonna fucking love this mix.

paulb
03-06-2007, 01:28 AM
its all about the Beastie Boys!

kennycarly
03-06-2007, 02:10 AM
Rap is to hip hop as sing is to rock and roll.
Rap is a verb and Hip hop is more of a noun.
I hope I got that the right way around.

J~$$$
03-06-2007, 08:07 AM
almost finished that mix, adam. I'm workin' hard for you, I swear. I had a killer idea while making it that I want to work on properly tomorrow.

Justin's gonna fucking love this mix.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/jettx420/liljon.jpg

BoardsofCoachella
03-06-2007, 08:19 AM
Kool Herc rapped?
I thought he was only a DJ

jackstraw94086
03-06-2007, 08:23 AM
Kool Herc rapped?
I thought he was only a DJ

I think you're right. i glanced at the names in the article too quickly and for some reason thought of kool kieth because of the context.

mob roulette
03-06-2007, 08:27 AM
All of rap is senseless histrionics and unbearable affectations.

you could be as good as the best of them or as bad as the worst. so don't test me. you'd better move OVER.

live and DIE for hip hop bitches. a small thing truly worth fighting for. glad you're only kidding yabs.

get loose now.

jackstraw94086
03-07-2007, 02:31 AM
Yo, Justin and adam: click this shit. It's got rap (both conscious and unconscious) AND hip hop AND more.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/jackstraw94086/sporkhop2.jpg (http://download.yousendit.com/D065D88268AC65C8)

(here's a megaupload link (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3BGTUBZL) or those that don't like yousendit)

I didn't have the patience of strength to chop up the mix into seperate files at the moment, but it would fuck up the mix anyway. I at least gave the points at which each track begins to mix.

00:00 Boreta - Slide That Dutch
03:23 Taal Mala - Being a Gangsta
06:05 Danny Breaks vs Lords of the Underground - Jackstraw's "Duck Rocka" mash
09:55 KRS One - Sound of Da Police (Breakbeat Buddha Remix)
12:20 Kraddy - Mos Beautiful
16:08 Spiro - GetyoFREAKON
18:10 Son of the Electronic Ghost - Akbar Beat
21:48 Dr. Dre & Snoop Dogg - Next Episode (Kraddy Remix)
24:38 Busta Rhymes - Touch It (Jackstraw's severely unfinished remix)
27:50 Jackstraw - ?????
31:00 Breakbeat Buddha vs Eric B & Rakim - Jackstraw's "Bounty Killer Got Soul" mash

I know justin will like this because he's a glitch mob fan, and they are represented here. Others may find this to be incredibly annoying. Push beyond the first two songs, it gets better. It skirts the line between hip hop and electronica. Here we just call it midtempo.

My ears are tired so I didn't put much effort into EQing and mastering it, so it may levels may jump around and sound a bit choppy. I spent a shitload of time trying to EQ out some of the bassline of the vocal track which fucks with the rest of it, but I'm out of steam. eat shit and die.

SubBass49
03-07-2007, 04:49 AM
For those that didn't catch it in the MPX mix thread...and in the giving spirit thanks to Jackstraw...here's another mix to use a CD up on:

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2513/11qk1.jpg (http://download.yousendit.com/38A59A2F45EAE061)

1. K'naan - What's Hardcore
2. Dun Dada - All I Know
3. J-Live - Audio Visual
4. Mos Def - Katrina Clap
5. PumpkinHead - Grenades
6. True Light - Walk With A Bop
7. Penuckle - Parachutes
8. Slum Village & Jay Dilla - Climax
9. Karmic Basis - Get Props
10. Panzah Zandaz - Itsoweezee
11. NastraDOOMus - Friends mix
12. Justin Warfield - K sera Sera

J~$$$
03-07-2007, 07:19 AM
Jack Spork hop is HOT!

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c193/mmmmdoughnuts/revolving_gold_star.gifhttp://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c193/mmmmdoughnuts/revolving_gold_star.gifhttp://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c193/mmmmdoughnuts/revolving_gold_star.gifhttp://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c193/mmmmdoughnuts/revolving_gold_star.gifhttp://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c193/mmmmdoughnuts/revolving_gold_star.gif

EDIT: I want to go more in to depth on this mix but im only 1/4 of the way in.

I love what you have done with this mix from what I have listened too so far. ANOTHER SPORK CLASSIC. Im excited to see the glitch mob next week in Boulder its for a STS9 after party....yeaherrrr!

Jack are you going to the Electric Daisy Carnival?

jackstraw94086
03-07-2007, 08:16 AM
not likely. That event never really seemed that enticing, too ravey. Any act that's down there I could probably see pretty easily up here.

dorkfish
03-07-2007, 08:58 AM
what do most use to create the glitch sound?

jackstraw94086
03-07-2007, 09:02 AM
there are various VST plugins out there. I'm not sure what's the most popular. Here's a thread on tribe discussing it (http://plugins.tribe.net/thread/85c30b57-1e8e-4c9b-a46d-f33509a17c22).

chunk
03-07-2007, 09:17 AM
Whats Beef?

beef is when i see you
in icu

i went through the whole thing and i think i saw only one person mention biggie. probably speaks more to my limited understanding of rap hop. hip rap. whatever. i still think hes the best. back then and now.

adamnikyo
03-07-2007, 09:40 AM
i'm on that mix.

thinnerair
03-07-2007, 09:52 AM
Nice mix, Jack.

Chunk...Biggie is definitely appreciated. There are soo many mc's out there that get way overlooked. I definitely think Biggie gets his credit as one of the greatest MC's.

chunk
03-07-2007, 10:02 AM
i thought hed get more credit in this thread.

and while EZEs later work might not merit mention in this thread, some of the shit was very funny.

from "fuck my babys momma"

bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch

mob roulette
03-07-2007, 10:18 AM
biggie
rakim
scarface
tupac
nas
mf doom

in that order. for me, anyways.

thinnerair
03-07-2007, 10:33 AM
http://www.allhiphop.com/illseedpix/stylin.gif

Yablonowitz
03-07-2007, 10:33 AM
Stanley from The Office
Eminem
Beastie Boys
Teddy T. Undapedal
Sidney Poitier


In order. For me, anyway.

mob roulette
03-07-2007, 10:38 AM
yablo, tom would like his boxers back whenever you get a second.

kroqken
11-23-2008, 11:33 PM
This thread seems to still be relevent. I am not a big hip hop fan, but if I hadto pick an album, I would pick the Beastie Boys "Paul's Boutique." I am not into today's hip hop, whether it is southern, gangsta, underground, or what not.

kroqken
11-24-2008, 01:58 AM
I do like some of the underground female rap artists like Lady Sovereign and Princess Superstar. Also, I like how hip hop is mixed in a variety of artists, ranging from MIA to Beck.

OutOfmYminD
11-24-2008, 01:24 PM
RJD2 - Deadringer
Deltron - Deltron 3030
Madvillain - Madvillainy
The Pharcyde - LabcabinCalifornia
Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow
Siah & Yeshua dapoED - The Visualz Anthology

OutOfmYminD
11-24-2008, 01:25 PM
Listening to 808 and Heartbreak for the first time right now.

humanoid
11-24-2008, 01:56 PM
GZA-Liguid Swords
Black Star
The Roots-Things Fall Apart
Deltron-Deltron 3030
Wu Tang-Return to the 36 Chambers
Gravediggaz- The Pick, the Sickle and the Shovel

allyjoy
11-24-2008, 01:56 PM
Listening to 808 and Heartbreak for the first time right now.

it's no good & it's not hip hop & I am disappointed

212margarita
11-24-2008, 02:07 PM
it's no good & it's not hip hop & I am disappointed

808 and Heartbreak is near unlistenable...the auto-tune is out of control! definitely not hip-hop.

Best Hip Hop Records ever?

36 Chambers - Wu Tang
Funcrusher Plus - Company Flow
Blackstar - s/t
Things Fall Apart - The Roots

boarderwoozel3
11-24-2008, 02:12 PM
36 Chambers - Wu Tang
Things Fall Apart - The Roots

I'd agree with that and add;

Illmatic-Nas

boarderwoozel3
11-24-2008, 02:15 PM
Listening to 808 and Heartbreak for the first time right now.


it's no good & it's not hip hop & I am disappointed

I had a really bad reaction to it at first because you're right ally, it's really not a hip-hop album but there is some really good music on there. Heartless, Amazing and Love Lockdown are all very impressive, progressive songs.

SFChrissy
11-24-2008, 02:23 PM
Here's a question for you Roots Fans...

I have several Roots cd's but I was just realizing a few weeks ago that from start to finish "The Tipping Point" is my absolute favorite. The other cd's I have I don't listen to continuously and enjoy maybe 3-5 songs out of the whole disc...I love the roots, am totally picky when it comes to getting all into it but pretty much get into every roots show I've been to (5 total)...

Am I flared or can you guys relate or am I missing an absolutely has to have in my collection???

My Roots collection consists of:
phrenology
the tippping point
Game Theory
Rising Down

humanoid
11-24-2008, 02:24 PM
I'm so terribly sick of the current auto-tune fascination

humanoid
11-24-2008, 02:25 PM
Here's a question for you Roots Fans...

I have several Roots cd's but I was just realizing a few weeks ago that from start to finish "The Tipping Point" is my absolute favorite. The other cd's I have I don't listen to continuously and enjoy maybe 3-5 songs out of the whole disc...I love the roots, am totally picky when it comes to getting all into it but pretty much get into every roots show I've been to (5 total)...

Am I flared or can you guys relate or am I missing an absolutely has to have in my collection???

My Roots collection consists of:
phrenology
the tippping point
Game Theory
Rising Down

I love all the Roots albums, but think that Things Fall Apart is an absolute masterpiece of a hip hop album from start to finish

boarderwoozel3
11-24-2008, 02:29 PM
Here's a question for you Roots Fans...

I have several Roots cd's but I was just realizing a few weeks ago that from start to finish "The Tipping Point" is my absolute favorite. The other cd's I have I don't listen to continuously and enjoy maybe 3-5 songs out of the whole disc...I love the roots, am totally picky when it comes to getting all into it but pretty much get into every roots show I've been to (5 total)...

Am I flared or can you guys relate or am I missing an absolutely has to have in my collection???

My Roots collection consists of:
phrenology
the tippping point
Game Theory
Rising Down

Totally agree. Why (whats going on?) is such an awesome statement song to end an album. Top notch.

boarderwoozel3
11-24-2008, 02:30 PM
Hmmm, I just realized I don't own Things fall apart... that obviously needs to change asap.

sbessiso
11-24-2008, 02:31 PM
Rising Down is my favorite at the moment. 75 Bars (Black's Reconstruction) is such a stellar song. It's so good it hurts

212margarita
11-24-2008, 02:31 PM
I love all the Roots albums, but think that Things Fall Apart is an absolute masterpiece of a hip hop album from start to finish

Things Fall Apart is a must have, its just brilliant. Come Alive is an excellent live album.

SFChrissy
11-24-2008, 02:33 PM
Totally agree. Why (whats going on?) is such an awesome statement song to end an album. Top notch.Actually, that disc doesn't end with why...it's a hidden track on the hard cd but it ends with a george kranz cover of "din da da" which is one of my absolute favorite "house/break" beats ever...it originates from the late 80's, we used to totally get down to it in the early 90's and when I heard it on the tipping point years ago I freaked the fuck out!!! It brought back so many great memories...

SFChrissy
11-24-2008, 02:38 PM
I love all the Roots albums, but think that Things Fall Apart is an absolute masterpiece of a hip hop album from start to finish


Things Fall Apart is a must have, its just brilliant. Come Alive is an excellent live album.

Well these are going into the collection...I let you know how they hit me!!!

I'd love to here alljoy's comments on this question!!!

Mr. Dylanja
11-24-2008, 02:51 PM
Black Thought is in my top 5 all time, I could argue him being the best ever.

vinylmartyr
11-24-2008, 03:06 PM
The Roots Come Alive. Probably the second greatest live hip hop album ever.

SFChrissy
11-24-2008, 03:06 PM
The Roots Come Alive. Probably the second greatest live hip hop album ever.
what would you consider the first?

Mr. Dylanja
11-24-2008, 03:06 PM
Behind, Jigga?

vinylmartyr
11-24-2008, 03:06 PM
Live Hardcore Worldwide. BDP.

allyjoy
11-24-2008, 03:10 PM
I had a really bad reaction to it at first because you're right ally, it's really not a hip-hop album but there is some really good music on there. Heartless, Amazing and Love Lockdown are all very impressive, progressive songs.

When I first listened to it, I had an immediate "wtf?" but I let myself forget the previous albums and listened to it again. There are some interesting tracks. The rhythm of it is good & kanye definitely kept a cohesive theme, but it's not really progressive if it's something a ton of other people have done. It's the best of it's grouping of style, but it's not a good album imo.

Mr. Dylanja
11-24-2008, 03:10 PM
BDP, nice!

bmack86
11-24-2008, 03:12 PM
Really? Black Thought's never been the most impressive part of the Roots to me. I like him alright, but there are many rappers I enjoy more. Rakim is probably my favorite, just for those first two albums. I like Run-DMC for what they are, and they did have some amazing beats.

My favorite Hip Hop album at the moment (and usually) is Enter the 36 Chambers. It's just so goddamn listenable.

Mr. Dylanja
11-24-2008, 03:15 PM
The "R" IS THE BEST!!

bmack86
11-24-2008, 03:33 PM
Thinkin' of a master plan
Ain't nothin but sweat inside my hand
I reach into my pocket, all my money's spent
Dig a little further, comin' up with lint.

I love it.

bobert
11-24-2008, 03:45 PM
OutKast - Aquemeni
Wu-Tang Clan - 36 Chambers
Atmosphere - Lucy Ford
Mos Def - Black On Both Sides
The Roots - Things Fall Apart

allyjoy
11-24-2008, 04:17 PM
Here's a question for you Roots Fans...

I have several Roots cd's but I was just realizing a few weeks ago that from start to finish "The Tipping Point" is my absolute favorite. The other cd's I have I don't listen to continuously and enjoy maybe 3-5 songs out of the whole disc...I love the roots, am totally picky when it comes to getting all into it but pretty much get into every roots show I've been to (5 total)...

Am I flared or can you guys relate or am I missing an absolutely has to have in my collection???

My Roots collection consists of:
phrenology
the tippping point
Game Theory
Rising Down

Tipping Point was the first Roots album I bought. Game Theory is probably my favorite album of theirs (I always skip the intro & outro). It's more rough around the edges where TP has a lot of funk to it and that could just be your preference. I would say that your collection is not complete without Things Fall Apart. The one thing about The Roots is that each album they create, it's as if the previous album doesn't exist. Their albums aren't linear in their sound.

Mr. Dylanja
11-24-2008, 04:20 PM
I'm ashamed that niether Illadelph Halflife nor Do You Want More?!!? has been mentioned :nono


Silent Treatment, Hypnotic??

allyjoy
11-24-2008, 04:47 PM
Forgive me, D. It was wrong of me to leave out illadelph. They do have about 20 albums released, there's a lot to take in.

As for Mos Def- New Danger wins

Donaldj
11-24-2008, 04:50 PM
I am partial to the Ultramagnetic MCs' Critical Breakdown.

juloxx
12-03-2009, 05:49 PM
In no particular order...

1.) Dogg Food - By Tha dogg Pound
2.) Temple of Boom - By Cypress Hill
3.) Marshal Mathers LP
4.) All Eyez On Me - 2pac
5.) The Infamous - Mobb Deep

I was going to put Rage Against the Machine as number 5. Thats the greatness of that band, you cant classify them into any genre. They had elements of funk/metal/hip-hop. Decided not confuse things though. Also feel like 2001, Aquemini, and It's Dark & Hell is Hot deserve an honorable mention.


This is Hard fuckin question once you get into it...

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/t/tha-dogg-pound/album-dogg-food.jpg
http://cdmallimage.bugs.co.kr/shop/upload/mall/C0246_l_l.jpg
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Z4FDKHHWL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

stinkbutt
12-03-2009, 05:57 PM
How is it that all you motherfuckers claim to love hip-hop and never mention E.P.M.D.? Strictly Business was an instant classic and has just some of the greatest beats of all time. Not too mention two of the smoothest lyricist of their time, actually all time I don't think any group has the finesse of these boys.

JUGisre9xNU

gmoneyak
12-03-2009, 06:30 PM
Besides all the usual suspects, (Illmatic, 36 Chambers, The Chronic, Low End Theory, It Takes a Nation.., Liquid Swords etc..) I used to play the shit out of these;

http://oophiphop.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/icecube-deathcertificate_4032.jpg
http://www.routinefly.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/beatnuts_streetlev_101b.jpg
http://img13.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/6/4/c/6/7/64c6784d50b3c29780cb71c3b9571f8d_full.jpg
http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/c/0/0/23/6/AAAADPIXHyEAAAAAACNkqg.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rEMCHz_zUjY/SbXx1iQQ95I/AAAAAAAACbU/98G6WFpYwHs/s320/2+Pac+-+Me+Against+The+World.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qlXxh9DSIBI/Rj1pGUtCtaI/AAAAAAAAASc/Q4o8UPDuF4A/s400/post-237668-1145550943.jpg
http://www.amiright.com/album-covers/images/album-A-Tribe-Called-Quest-Midnight-Marauders.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qlXxh9DSIBI/Rmj9lgz_jBI/AAAAAAAAAWw/lAKYNxHA8iA/s400/Common_-_Resurrection.jpg
http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/cribnotes/files/2009/04/freestylefellowship-ig.jpg

TallGuyCM
12-04-2009, 04:54 PM
My personal favorite:

http://www.wesmapes.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Outkast-Aquemini.JPG

SoulDischarge
11-27-2010, 12:39 AM
Was reading through the Kanye thread and thought this could use a bump.

buddy
11-27-2010, 12:54 AM
a tribe called quest - midnight marauders is probably my favorite, with illmatic a close second.

i need to give the low end theory and aquemeni some more listens.

Mr. Dylanja
11-27-2010, 01:06 AM
http://www.rankopedia.com/CandidatePix/16462.gif

bmack86
11-27-2010, 09:02 AM
Reading thru this makes me realize how dumb I can sound when I write about rap.

Mr. Porter
11-27-2010, 09:10 AM
In no particular order:
The Chronic
Doggystyle
The Infamous (probably my favorite hip-hop album of all time)
Illmatic (probably second)
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
Reasonable Doubt
Dogg Food
Aquemini
Midnight Marauders
Like Water For Chocolate

Pretty generic list but can't go wrong with any of these

Mr. Fuzz
11-27-2010, 09:15 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/19/Dr.DreTheChronic.jpg

Still-ill
11-27-2010, 09:25 AM
http://img.maniadb.com/images/album/179/179577_1_f.jpg

Gribbz
11-27-2010, 11:24 AM
I've been Wu-Tanging a lot lately.
This video is tits.

isumZjs3dKA

Mr. Dylanja
11-27-2010, 11:41 AM
Wu-Tang Forever > 36 Chambers

FoxeyLady
11-27-2010, 11:55 AM
in no order:

Illmatic
The Chronic
Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)

Cliche, but I can't help it. I've listened to these far more than any other hip hop albums. Never gets old.

Sushov23
11-27-2010, 12:23 PM
It's not a top 5 or 10, but it's one that I feel gets over looked way too much.
Canibus-Jack The Ripper(fucking killer album).

wmgaretjax
11-27-2010, 12:26 PM
Only one mention of The Cold Vein in this thread?

WhyTheLongFace
11-27-2010, 12:26 PM
1. Dead Prez- Let's Get Free
2. 2Pac- Me Against The World
3. Ice Cube- Amerikkka'z most Wanted
4. Outkast- Aquemini
5. 2Pac- Makaveli

Sushov23
11-27-2010, 12:28 PM
Only one mention of The Cold Vein in this thread?

I remember loving this album in high school, haven't listened to it much since then. The production by El-P was sick, but it didn't stick. I might have to listen to it again sometime soon. Anyone have a link?

wmgaretjax
11-27-2010, 12:32 PM
google site:mediafire.com cold vein

wscmx13
11-27-2010, 12:59 PM
Big L- Lifestylez ov da Poor & Dangerous
Common- Resurrection/ Like water for Chocolate
The fugees- The score
Group Home- Livin Proof
J dilla- Donuts
MAdvillain- Madvillainy
Moibb Deep The infamous
Mos Def- Black on both sides
Biggie- Ready to die
Oc-JEwelz
Raekwon-OB4CL
Wu- Enter the wu tang
Outkasts- first 3 albuma

CellarOwl
11-27-2010, 01:13 PM
I don't know how many, if any, people will agree with me on a couple of these picks, but I've never really kept up with hip hop. There are only a number of releases that I've really ever loved and these are the most important ones.

Whodini - S/T
Afrika Bambaataa - Planet Rock
NWA - Straight Outta Compton
Dr Dre - The Chronic
Public Enemy - Fear Of A Black Planet

Mr. Dylanja
11-27-2010, 02:41 PM
I think this is one of the most underrated albums. A cohesive concept album that's strong from start to finish, have a listen if you've never heard it.

http://www.wmaker.net/magnifyk/docs/sticky_fingaz_.blacktrash.jpg

LooseAtTheZoo
11-27-2010, 03:08 PM
I'm about to get some serious hip-hop education by sifting through this thread. Thanks, ya'll.

greghead
11-27-2010, 03:23 PM
1. Ready to Die
2. The Chronic
3. Paid in Full
4. The Score
5. The Low End Theory

SoulDischarge
11-27-2010, 04:55 PM
The Cold Vein easily makes my top 10. As does Funcrusher Plus and Fantastic Damage. I'm an El-P fan boy I guess. I still don't hear much production that's as forward looking and dense as those three albums.

Some other favorites, mostly obvious ones:

Wu-Tang - 36 Chambers
Public Enemy - Nation Of Millions
Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded
Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
Ultramagnetic MC's - Critical Beatdown
Fugees - The Score
OutKast - Stankonia (fuck it, I like it more than Aquemini)
Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagynecologist
Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030
Aesop Rock - Labor Days
GZA - Liquid Swords
Clipse - Hell Hath No Fury
the first 3 Run-D.M.C. albums
A Tribe Called Quest - Midnight Marauders

There's a ton of classics I really need to familiarize myself with.

Gribbz
11-27-2010, 05:01 PM
OutKast - Stankonia (fuck it, I like it more than Aquemini)


Same here. The beats are incredible.

bmack86
11-27-2010, 05:05 PM
I'd agree with Fantastic Damage and Funcrusher Plus, but damn is The Cold Vein dark. I also agree about Stankonia, personally. I'd recognize Aquemini as a better album in that I think there's a more effective flow to the songs, but Stankonia's got BOB.

My faves, three years later:
Wu Tang-36 Chamgers
Eric B. and Rakim-Paid in Full
ATCQ-The Low End Theory
Eyedea and Abilities-E and A
Atmosphere-The Lucy Ford LP
Kanye West-The College Dropout
Clipse-Hell Hath No Fury
Eminem-The Marshall Mathers LP
Biggie-Ready to Die
Beasties-Check Your Head (Paul's Boutique is the better album, sure, but Check Your Head is what it sounds like to be a kid in the 90s to me)
De La Soul-is Dead
Ice Cube-AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted
Dr. Dre-The Chronic
Gil Scott-Heron-Pieces of a Man (Not rap? The revolution will not be televised!)
The Last Poets-The Last Poets

SoulDischarge
11-27-2010, 05:07 PM
Definitely. It's some straight up space age funk. And I think the rhymes are more clever and complex. Still, I think preference for the two just boils down to taste more than one being clearly superior to the other. If you're more into the organic, laid back Southern shit, you're going to like Aquemini better. That one's a bit more down to earth and Stankonia is a bit more expansive and psychedelic.

Gribbz
11-27-2010, 05:12 PM
"Space age funk" and "psychedelic" are perfect adjectives for Stankonia.

juloxx
11-27-2010, 05:24 PM
The Infamous always gets all the love but Hell On Earth was sick wit it as well

Method Mans verse kills it... as usual

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Definitely. It's some straight up space age funk. And I think the rhymes are more clever and complex. Still, I think preference for the two just boils down to taste more than one being clearly superior to the other. If you're more into the organic, laid back Southern shit, you're going to like Aquemini better. That one's a bit more down to earth and Stankonia is a bit more expansive and psychedelic.

I dunno, I always thought Aquemeni was as psychedelic as it gets. Though I havent given Stakonia a proper listen through in a long long time

wmgaretjax
11-27-2010, 05:31 PM
Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagynecologist

YES. I need to revisit this. It's been too long.

bmack86
11-27-2010, 07:19 PM
Kool Keith could let it rip.

I also forgot Deltron 3030

SoulDischarge
11-27-2010, 07:26 PM
First Come, First Served under his Dr. Dooom alias is pretty damned fun too, although not quite all time favorites stuff.

9tK8pEpbsG4

FoxeyLady
11-27-2010, 07:36 PM
This thread needs more classic dirty south hip hop:

http://image.musicimport.biz/sdimages/disk12/103264.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9f5c8lXo1U0/SEIRelCUX3I/AAAAAAAAAFA/04ZENyUQaQU/s400/soulfood.jpg
http://image.kazaa.com/images/25/034744199225/Geto_Boys/We_Cant_Be_Stopped/Geto_Boys-We_Cant_Be_Stopped_3.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2Hm3wwGcHME/SN-tXjSUXqI/AAAAAAAAB0o/GMjVSBak4QA/s400/Eightball-Lost-(Remastered)-2CD-2003-WCR.jpg

GeezrRckr
11-27-2010, 07:36 PM
hmmm...i don't remember kool keith sounding so much like Gil-Scott Heron. he sure is fun live!

vinylmartyr
11-27-2010, 07:44 PM
Sex Style

Mr. Porter
11-27-2010, 07:47 PM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61M2Itz5zmL._SS500_.jpg

Mysterons
11-28-2010, 04:23 PM
http://p.playme.com/cspv/03-93-62-40-00-MetaPreview-Cover-JPEG256x256/bangs/take-u-to-da-movies.jpg?ts=1264649112

On a serious note, "It Takes a Nation..." (one of my favorite albums of all time), "Fear of a Black Planet", and "The Chronic" are the favorites in my sadly limited collection of hip-hop.

At the moment, I'm really enjoying Kanye's new album.

drugks Gillespie
11-28-2010, 10:12 PM
1. Reflection Eternal
2. Liquid Swords
3. Things Fall Apart
4. Tical
5. The Score

6. Midnight Marauders
7. ATLiens
8. Illadelph Halflife
9. Labcabincalifornia
10. Labor Days

The Sun Rises in the East
None Shall Pass
The Infamous
Lyricist Lounge Vol 1
Buhloone Mindstate
Funcrusher Plus
I Got Next
Muddy Waters
Heavy Mental

CuervoPH
11-28-2010, 10:16 PM
I actually was a big fan of all the Public Enemy albums through "Muse Sick-n-Hour Mess Age", but like others, my hip hop collection is limited. I'll be sampling quite a bit from this thread. I'd add "Genocide and Juice" and "Pick A Better Weapon" from The Coup, but Valarie probably already has added those.

bmack86
11-28-2010, 10:25 PM
You should start with some of the old school stuff. PE was some of my first rap that I really liked, and Eric B. and Rakim were the best next step.

kreutz2112
11-29-2010, 07:30 AM
Madvillainy is the correct answer.

Still-ill
11-29-2010, 08:18 AM
Wu-Tang Forever > 36 Chambers

Don't be silly. It's good, but not THAT good.

Still-ill
11-29-2010, 08:22 AM
Only one mention of The Cold Vein in this thread?

I can't remember who it was, but a while back someone said they didn't get why the Cold Vein was so highly acclaimed, and a good number of big wigs agreed. It was really surprising.

NachoCat
11-29-2010, 08:44 AM
Snoop dogg - Doggystyle

case closed

juloxx
12-01-2010, 10:43 AM
People outside of the bay dont know bout that Sugawolf pimpin
http://www.tradebit.com/usr/mp3-album/pub/9002/436/436268/43626853.jpg