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untzcrate
04-01-2010, 12:10 PM
Yesterday I posted a thread offering my camping spot in exchange for a ride from LAX.

Within the hour, I had about 20 emails offering everything from money, to weed, to "me and my friends are all good-looking and we're like chick-magnets".

(sorry, douche, but I had to make fun of you somewhere)

I spoke on the phone to several of them trying to find the best group to camp with and came across something interesting....

MOST OF THEM HAVEN'T PURCHASED THEIR TICKET BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO STAY

A lot of them mentioned that they just really don't want to camp out in some shady person's lot (yes, "afterhourscamping" peeps, your shit is shady) and that all the other campsites are a little too far.

I'm not saying it's Goldenvoice's fault that they don't have a camping ticket, but, business-wise, isn't it in the organizers' best interest to make sure there are more on-site camping spots next year?

faxman75
04-01-2010, 12:19 PM
Yeah they should start demolishing houses to make space and just lock some of the e-tards in the Sahara for the duration of the weekend. That should free up a bit.

flowbee
04-01-2010, 12:24 PM
Because you made this post I'm sure they'll have makeshift camping towers all over the place for next year

http://dornob.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/portable-multi-level-campground-idea.jpg


But really....The fest has sold out before and it seems to me there's more camping options than ever so it all works out

untzcrate
04-01-2010, 12:26 PM
Or rent space from the "I have 10 acres across from the festival grounds" people and find a way to make it work.

Goldenvoice brings 100,000 people out to the middle of nowhere and convinces divas to play in sweltering heat... I'm sure they're savvy enough to find a way.

Hicks
04-01-2010, 12:28 PM
What's the deal with the Sahara anyway, I called and they only speak Korean?

faxman75
04-01-2010, 12:30 PM
What's the deal with the Sahara anyway, I called and they only speak Korean?

I don't get it.

captncrzy
04-01-2010, 12:31 PM
The US Government should print more money too. So you know, everyone has more money.

Drinkey McDrinkerstein
04-01-2010, 12:31 PM
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Hicks
04-01-2010, 12:33 PM
I don't get it.

This place:

http://www.saharahotsprings.com/

I shit you not I called and nobody there spoke English.

I guess you were talking about the Sahara tent? LOL.

Subaru2Coachella
04-01-2010, 12:33 PM
What's the deal with the Sahara anyway, I called and they only speak Korean?

Lol.

Theyre also the only ones on the strip that have one dollar blackjack tables too.

higgybaby23
04-01-2010, 12:34 PM
Where are people going to stay if they buy a ticket now? Camping is sold out and there are definitely no hotels still available. I think they really fucked themselves this year with the camping situation


Yeah the polo club and Goldenvoice really fucked up when they increased the size and number of camping spots, increased the camping ameneties and entertainment plus provided layaway options for tix purchase. Those assholes.

It bears repeating...

untzcrate
04-01-2010, 12:34 PM
George Bush hates black people.

Subaru2Coachella
04-01-2010, 12:36 PM
The US Government should print more money too. So you know, everyone has more money.

Hahahahahaha.

scoop49er
04-01-2010, 12:40 PM
bottom line: alot of people are ass out on camping this year but they should of planned ahead.. it sux but there are alot of cool spots out side the area they can camp....

untzcrate
04-01-2010, 12:44 PM
The US Government should print more money too. So you know, everyone has more money.

So using your "anology", if I owned a store that only ran on gift cards, and I printed 8,000 of them, and they ran out because my product was very popular, and as a result people had to go on ebay and pay 1,000% more for those gift cards in order to purchase the product that I'm only getting face value for.

Now, as a business owner, wouldn't it make more sense to print more gift cards to become more profitable, than to let them go on ebay and have other people making money on my business?

Duds Cutty Sark
04-01-2010, 12:45 PM
How do I make a picture?

higgybaby23
04-01-2010, 12:46 PM
How do I make a picture?

http://www.thatphilosophywebsite.com/images/pen_paper.gif

guedita
04-01-2010, 12:47 PM
So using your "anology", if I owned a store that only ran on gift cards, and I printed 8,000 of them, and they ran out because my product was very popular, and as a result people had to go on ebay and pay 1,000% more for those gift cards in order to purchase the product that I'm only getting face value for.

Now, as a business owner, wouldn't it make more sense to print more gift cards to become more profitable, than to let them go on ebay and have other people making money on my business?

You spelled analogy wrong. Also this makes no sense.

beavington
04-01-2010, 12:47 PM
I think if anything next year, the organizers might make a cap on how many camping passes you can buy per household.

frozen pilgrim
04-01-2010, 12:48 PM
So using your "anology", if I owned a store that only ran on gift cards, and I printed 8,000 of them, and they ran out because my product was very popular, and as a result people had to go on ebay and pay 1,000% more for those gift cards in order to purchase the product that I'm only getting face value for.

Now, as a business owner, wouldn't it make more sense to print more gift cards to become more profitable, than to let them go on ebay and have other people making money on my business?

in your plan, how do you account for selling business cards for which you have no items to offer. gift cards for an empty, out-of-stock store are a shitty idea.

Duds Cutty Sark
04-01-2010, 12:49 PM
http://www.thatphilosophywebsite.com/images/pen_paper.gif

No! A picture by my name!

untzcrate
04-01-2010, 12:50 PM
So, for all the naysayers, just so I'm clear, you think Goldenvoice shouldn't try to add more camping spots next year, correct?

higgybaby23
04-01-2010, 12:55 PM
So, for all the naysayers, just so I'm clear, you think Goldenvoice shouldn't try to add more camping spots next year, correct?

There is only so much free space surrounding the polo fields. The polo club just bought 50+ acres last year which is why they were able to expand camping. I understand your point, but see no solution.


No! A picture by my name!

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Duds Cutty Sark
04-01-2010, 12:56 PM
What the fuck does that mean!>?

Duds Cutty Sark
04-01-2010, 12:56 PM
Oh I see

Duds Cutty Sark
04-01-2010, 12:57 PM
Thanks. But it is fucking small!!!!!!!

JustSteve
04-01-2010, 01:04 PM
Or rent space from the "I have 10 acres across from the festival grounds" people and find a way to make it work.

Goldenvoice brings 100,000 people out to the middle of nowhere and convinces divas to play in sweltering heat... I'm sure they're savvy enough to find a way.

not 100,000 people.

Theijuiel
04-01-2010, 01:05 PM
Thanks. But it is fucking small!!!!!!!
That's what she said.

untzcrate
04-01-2010, 01:06 PM
not 100,000 people.

http://www.spin.com/articles/hot-hot-hot-hot-heat-coachella-2004

"But in the 105-degree-plus universe of Indio, Calif., no such relief arrived, forcing Coachella's 100,000 revelers and its impressive lineup of entertainers..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coachella_Valley_Music_and_Arts_Festival

"This record, however, was broken by Rage Against the Machine's 2007 reunion performance which drew nearly 100,000 attendees"

Duds Cutty Sark
04-01-2010, 01:07 PM
Shut up Fuck

psychic friend
04-01-2010, 01:08 PM
There is way more camping this year than the past decade. obviously (i guess not to some of you) gv does try to provide additional low cost accommodations. But they are not made of magic.

each year that it gets close to selling out or if camping has sold out (rage year? radiohead year?) the same thing happens. people who did not get things in advance complain.

they do the best they can.

JustSteve
04-01-2010, 01:13 PM
http://www.spin.com/articles/hot-hot-hot-hot-heat-coachella-2004

"But in the 105-degree-plus universe of Indio, Calif., no such relief arrived, forcing Coachella's 100,000 revelers and its impressive lineup of entertainers..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coachella_Valley_Music_and_Arts_Festival

"This record, however, was broken by Rage Against the Machine's 2007 reunion performance which drew nearly 100,000 attendees"

sorry, your sources are shit...max capacity has topped out around 60,000 per day.

untzcrate
04-01-2010, 01:14 PM
There is way more camping this year than the past decade. obviously (i guess not to some of you) gv does try to provide additional low cost accommodations. But they are not made of magic.

each year that it gets close to selling out or if camping has sold out (rage year? radiohead year?) the same thing happens. people who did not get things in advance complain.

they do the best they can.

I'm not complaining. I actually purchased my ticket and camping pass before the line-up came out, which I've done every year after my first Coachella.

What I'm saying is, instead of replying "indio pd will stop by" to every person with an acre of land trying to lure attendees, why not figure out if there is a potential for more land to use?

I love Coachella and admire everything Goldenvoice has done over the years for its fans, but I think there is an opportunity here that you guys haven't explored.

(or maybe you have, but I just don't know about it)

:rolleyes

JustSteve
04-01-2010, 01:16 PM
yes, goldenvoice hasn't explored every option possible...they have no idea what they are doing when putting on a world class festival in the middle of the desert. who do they think they are?

thenoiboi
04-01-2010, 01:17 PM
Because you made this post I'm sure they'll have makeshift camping towers all over the place for next year

http://dornob.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/portable-multi-level-campground-idea.jpg


But really....The fest has sold out before and it seems to me there's more camping options than ever so it all works out

is that one of the art installations for this year? wicked.

untzcrate
04-01-2010, 01:19 PM
Thanks, Steve, for so graciously rephrasing my post.

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heyeric
04-01-2010, 01:24 PM
please keep the raver/gate crashers away from the festival at all costs.

psychic friend
04-01-2010, 01:26 PM
ya what steve said..

captncrzy
04-01-2010, 01:37 PM
Hey, Dani, I'm not sure if you covered this or not, but maybe Paul could give God a ring and ask him to put some more land there for you to use? Just a thought...

JustSteve
04-01-2010, 01:41 PM
ya what steve said..

what is it like working for such an unorganized company...is that why your avatar is what it is? :dumbo

El.C.Dub
04-01-2010, 02:12 PM
you are a fucking retard. stay home

untzcrate
04-01-2010, 02:15 PM
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M Sparks
04-01-2010, 02:33 PM
"But in the 105-degree-plus universe of Indio, Calif., no such relief arrived, forcing Coachella's 100,000 revelers and its impressive lineup of entertainers..."

"This record, however, was broken by Rage Against the Machine's 2007 reunion performance which drew nearly 100,000 attendees"

Attendance tops out at 60,000 per day, supposedly. If you sell 40,000 3-day passes and 20,000 single day tickets each day, that is 100,000 different people, theoretically.


Due to no single days, there will be FEWER people attending this year.

More camping space + fewer people = a problem? I don't see it.

psychic friend
04-01-2010, 02:34 PM
I thought this was a neat blog about Coachella onsite camping


http://simplyfussfree.blogspot.com/2010/03/history-of-onsite-camping-at-coachella.html (http://simplyfussfree.blogspot.com/2010/03/history-of-onsite-camping-at-coachella.html)

is this bourns?

billtino
04-01-2010, 02:43 PM
sorry, your sources are shit...max capacity has topped out around 60,000 per day.

I believe that was a running total for the 3 days (fri+sat+sun= over 100k)

M Sparks
04-01-2010, 02:44 PM
Yesterday I posted a thread offering my camping spot in exchange for a ride from LAX.

Within the hour, I had about 20 emails...

I spoke on the phone to several of them trying to find the best group to camp with and came across something interesting....

MOST OF THEM HAVEN'T PURCHASED THEIR TICKET BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO STAY

So, what you're saying is, in a random sample of people who were too lazy to buy a camping pass, MOST of them were also too lazy to buy an event pass.

Would you expect anything else? If you wanted to camp, why would you buy an $269 event pass and then wait until the last minute to buy a camping pass? If anything, a lot of people do it in reverse. Many people buy camping passes right away just in case, even if they aren't sure if they can go.

GuyInTucson
04-01-2010, 02:49 PM
http://www.spin.com/articles/hot-hot-hot-hot-heat-coachella-2004

"But in the 105-degree-plus universe of Indio, Calif., no such relief arrived, forcing Coachella's 100,000 revelers and its impressive lineup of entertainers..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coachella_Valley_Music_and_Arts_Festival

"This record, however, was broken by Rage Against the Machine's 2007 reunion performance which drew nearly 100,000 attendees"

Mis-leading

There were over 100,000 people if you combine the totals from each day, but the fields' capacity is only in the 55-60,000 range.

canexplain
04-01-2010, 02:51 PM
I thought this was a neat blog about Coachella onsite camping


http://simplyfussfree.blogspot.com/2010/03/history-of-onsite-camping-at-coachella.html (http://simplyfussfree.blogspot.com/2010/03/history-of-onsite-camping-at-coachella.html)

is this bourns?

Yea good article. If the article is true, was 04 really the first year there was camping. I camped but I had no idea it was new. 2nd) Was the coachella express really free? I read a lot about it that year, but I just thought it cost bucks.

The blog stated: Camping passes sold out in 2004, 2006, 2007, and 2010.

Stickjohn
04-01-2010, 02:55 PM
the Glastonbury blog is good too. Both have great pictures.

beavington
04-01-2010, 03:02 PM
Yea good article. If the article is true, was 04 really the first year there was camping. I camped but I had no idea it was new. 2nd) Was the coachella express really free? I read a lot about it that year, but I just thought it cost bucks.

The blog stated: Camping passes sold out in 2004, 2006, 2007, and 2010.

yeah the coachella express was really free and you got a t-shirt oh and you also got VIP bracelets. After always wanting to know what it was like on the other side of that fence, i got to find out and was totally put off.

untzcrate
04-01-2010, 06:59 PM
It was awesome reading about the history of "camping" http://twistedsifter.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/quotes-with-hands-fingers.jpg

Thanks, pf.

gotavan
04-01-2010, 10:23 PM
So, what you're saying is, in a random sample of people who were too lazy to buy a camping pass, MOST of them were also too lazy to buy an event pass.

Would you expect anything else? If you wanted to camp, why would you buy an $269 event pass and then wait until the last minute to buy a camping pass? If anything, a lot of people do it in reverse. Many people buy camping passes right away just in case, even if they aren't sure if they can go.

I can only defend myself, to whatever degree, in saying that at Bonaroo, every ticket guarantees a campsite. And the car/tent camping thing threw me off, thinking that you only had to pay extra to park your car at your campsite. Lesson learned. Read the FAQ.

Trogdor
04-01-2010, 10:27 PM
I can only defend myself, to whatever degree, in saying that at Bonaroo, every ticket guarantees a campsite. And the car/tent camping thing threw me off, thinking that you only had to pay extra to park your car at your campsite. Lesson learned. Read the FAQ.

No need to defend it is your honest interpretation of things and quite valid.

Boourns
04-01-2010, 11:27 PM
I thought this was a neat blog about Coachella onsite camping


http://simplyfussfree.blogspot.com/2010/03/history-of-onsite-camping-at-coachella.html (http://simplyfussfree.blogspot.com/2010/03/history-of-onsite-camping-at-coachella.html)

is this bourns?

yep! thanks.

3eyes
04-01-2010, 11:59 PM
So using your "anology", if I owned a store that only ran on gift cards, and I printed 8,000 of them, and they ran out because my product was very popular, and as a result people had to go on ebay and pay 1,000% more for those gift cards in order to purchase the product that I'm only getting face value for.

Now, as a business owner, wouldn't it make more sense to print more gift cards to become more profitable, than to let them go on ebay and have other people making money on my business?

It would make sense to charge more for your product. If you have 100 "gift cards" that you sell for $50 you'd make $5000. But if you charged $500 you'd make $50000!

untzcrate
04-02-2010, 12:19 AM
It would make sense to charge more for your product. If you have 100 "gift cards" that you sell for $50 you'd make $5000. But if you charged $500 you'd make $50000!

Let's hope that's not what happens next year.

:(

M Sparks
04-02-2010, 06:55 AM
And the car/tent camping thing threw me off, thinking that you only had to pay extra to park your car at your campsite.

From a technical viewpoint, this is true. Your festival pass allows you to camp for free this year. It's just up to you to find a place to do it, and a way to get there.

In past years, sold out meant sold out. This year it means "get inventive". That's why I don't understand why there are more people complaining that everything is so unfair or whatnot. More camping areas + more flexibility = more gooder.

M Sparks
04-02-2010, 07:00 AM
Let's hope that's not what happens next year.

:(

GV's potential income from this new camping scheme could be almost half of what it was last year. With more people possibly, meaning you need more staff. Also, more land to cover.

They clearly aren't in the camping business for the money. They want the best possible festival. (So THAT makes more money.)

canexplain
04-02-2010, 07:09 AM
It's like what I posted somewhere here earlier. Next year I am going to buy 10 camping spots then only give/sell them to my buds that screwed up. Lesson learned from Coachella ...

Leeartlee
04-02-2010, 07:54 AM
There is only so much free space surrounding the polo fields. The polo club just bought 50+ acres last year which is why they were able to expand camping. I understand your point, but see no solution.

QFT... even though this should seem extremely obvious

gotavan
04-02-2010, 08:55 AM
From a technical viewpoint, this is true. Your festival pass allows you to camp for free this year. It's just up to you to find a place to do it, and a way to get there.

In past years, sold out meant sold out. This year it means "get inventive". That's why I don't understand why there are more people complaining that everything is so unfair or whatnot. More camping areas + more flexibility = more gooder.

so if me and my companion go walking in with our tent when we get there friday they're going to say 'o come right on in and set up, just make sure you don't have a car in the parking lot. and you can have a case of beer per person.????'

Stickjohn
04-02-2010, 09:48 AM
Basically yes. The important part is you need a space in which to set up your tent. You can't just set it up randomly anywhere.