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zajaa
03-04-2010, 01:22 PM
house panel votes 23-22 in favor of calling 1915 massacre of armenians by turkey "genocide" despite protests by obama administration.

historic day.

beavington
03-04-2010, 01:23 PM
barev...

(the only armenian i know0

fiopadp7791
03-04-2010, 01:26 PM
the dudes from System of a Down- Armenian

zajaa
03-04-2010, 01:30 PM
The last song on their first album is specifically about the genocide

TomAz
03-04-2010, 01:31 PM
1915.

corbo
03-04-2010, 01:35 PM
"despite protests by obama administration"

why does the obama administration not want to call it a "genocide"?

digitaldragon03
03-04-2010, 01:35 PM
Glendale!

SoulDischarge
03-04-2010, 01:36 PM
I'm holding judgement on this until we hear from our resident genocide specialist, cr****.

marooko
03-04-2010, 01:36 PM
Because that means someone did something bad to Americans. We're the only ones who do wrong in this world.

humanoid
03-04-2010, 01:37 PM
"despite protests by obama administration"

why does the obama administration not want to call it a "genocide"?

Turkey is an ally in the region and they don't want to offend them, even if they perpetrators of genocide

TomAz
03-04-2010, 01:37 PM
because they don't want to damage the US relationship with Turkey.


"Recognizing" the genocide is a symbolic act which gains us nothing, except maybe makes some people with naturally guilty consciences feel better about themselves. It could potentially be somewhat costly though when we need something from the Turks. Like, for them to not attack Kurds. etc.

psycobetabuckdown
03-04-2010, 01:37 PM
Great, war with Turkey too.

caco0283
03-04-2010, 01:45 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/03/04/us/politics-us-turkey-usa-armenia.html


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A congressional panel voted on Thursday to label as "genocide" the World War One-era massacre of Armenians by Turkish forces, despite pressure from the Obama administration and Turkey to drop the matter.

The controversial measure passed the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee in a closer-than-expected vote of 23-22.

The issue puts President Barack Obama between NATO ally Turkey, which rejects calling the events genocide, and an important U.S. Armenian-American constituency and their backers in Congress ahead of a November congressional election.

Turkey had warned its ties with the United States would be damaged and Ankara's efforts to normalize relations with Armenia could be harmed if the resolution passed, even though the vote was non-bindin

juloxx
03-04-2010, 02:18 PM
Glendale!

Must be celebrating..... or mourning.

marooko
03-04-2010, 02:19 PM
Nothing?

beavington
03-04-2010, 02:48 PM
Must be celebrating..... or mourning.

its more of a celebration, have you drove threw glendale on genocide day? or whatever it is called in April.

humanoid
03-04-2010, 02:50 PM
its more of a celebration, have you drove threw glendale on genocide day? or whatever it is called in April.

Armenian Americans celebrating a genocide against their own people? I've seen it and it seems more like a protest than a celebration

beavington
03-04-2010, 02:54 PM
Armenian Americans celebrating a genocide against their own people? I've seen it and it seems more like a protest than a celebration

maybe when they congregate on the street with signs

but then their cars are decked out in the armenian flags...i dont know it reminds me of gay pride parades. plus the armenians i know look for any reason to celebrate.

juloxx
03-04-2010, 03:24 PM
Cant forget they all rock 2pac shirts with the Armenian flag in the background

marooko
03-04-2010, 03:26 PM
Armenian Americans

LOL!

vinylmartyr
03-04-2010, 03:29 PM
Glendale!


DAMMMITTTTTTT!!!! SO CLOSE!!!

obzen
03-04-2010, 03:55 PM
Aww, I wanted to say Glendale!

canexplain
03-04-2010, 03:57 PM
Aww, I wanted to say Glendale!

I have a Glendale High School T (Neil) ..... cr****

fatbastard
03-04-2010, 03:58 PM
Finally.

Let get some kebobs, tabouli, and a water pipe going.

marooko
03-04-2010, 04:03 PM
Yay water pipes and dead people!! WOOHOO!!

Armenian Americans. LOL!!

TomAz
03-04-2010, 04:04 PM
YsSa8Whfp9A

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
03-04-2010, 04:14 PM
well this is stupid.

TomAz
03-04-2010, 04:14 PM
I wonder when the us congress will recognize native american genocide.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
03-04-2010, 04:16 PM
because they don't want to damage the US relationship with Turkey.


"Recognizing" the genocide is a symbolic act which gains us nothing, except maybe makes some people with naturally guilty consciences feel better about themselves. It could potentially be somewhat costly though when we need something from the Turks. Like, for them to not attack Kurds. etc.

This. This is why this is stupid. Congress is retarded. Why not just start pissing off all of our allies now over something that happened 100 years ago.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
03-04-2010, 04:17 PM
I wonder when the us congress will recognize native american genocide.

until they have rich native americans lobbying.

Laura owns you
03-04-2010, 04:24 PM
until they have rich native americans lobbying.


so we're thinking another few hundred years, yes?

zajaa
03-04-2010, 04:29 PM
because they don't want to damage the US relationship with Turkey.


"Recognizing" the genocide is a symbolic act which gains us nothing, except maybe makes some people with naturally guilty consciences feel better about themselves. It could potentially be somewhat costly though when we need something from the Turks. Like, for them to not attack Kurds. etc.

of course it is symbolic. culture, meaning and society are entirely predicated on symbols. a symbolic act can have tangible results. burning a flag or a holy book is a symbolic act.

refusing to recognize this atrocity is just as symbolic as recognizing it, but the latter is what an ethical nation should do. i bet you would favor holocaust denial too if it meant it wouldn't sour relations with an ally.

marooko
03-04-2010, 04:31 PM
This. This is why this is stupid. Congress is retarded. Why not just start pissing off all of our allies now over something that happened 100 years ago.

So is 100 years the cut off point?

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
03-04-2010, 04:46 PM
So is 100 years the cut off point?

No, I just think its silly to rock the boat now.

marooko
03-04-2010, 04:54 PM
LOL!

bmack86
03-04-2010, 05:09 PM
So, um, I don't think that less than 50 members of the House voting on this resolution means that the US is formally recognizing it yet. It still needs to go through the house as a whole. They voted to vote. Because that's bureaucracy in action.

obzen
03-04-2010, 05:10 PM
I wonder when the us congress will recognize native american genocide.

Crushingblows.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
03-04-2010, 05:19 PM
So, um, I don't think that less than 50 members of the House voting on this resolution means that the US is formally recognizing it yet. It still needs to go through the house as a whole. They voted to vote. Because that's bureaucracy in action.

Bryan wins this thread.

vinylmartyr
03-04-2010, 05:26 PM
Dude are you gonna answer the question I sent you on twitter?

marooko
03-04-2010, 05:31 PM
hahahahah. That's funny. Hit him up on facebook and tell him to check his twitter.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
03-04-2010, 05:41 PM
Dude are you gonna answer the question I sent you on twitter?

lolque?

juloxx
03-04-2010, 07:43 PM
so we're thinking another few hundred years, yes?

Dont think there will be any left by that time

TomAz
03-04-2010, 08:51 PM
So, um, I don't think that less than 50 members of the House voting on this resolution means that the US is formally recognizing it yet. It still needs to go through the house as a whole. They voted to vote. Because that's bureaucracy in action.

this is why the Coachella Board fully and formally supports Bryan attending law school. well, one of the reasons. it's complicated.

Hannahrain
03-04-2010, 08:51 PM
I think I just bought a latte from teenage Shelly Duvall.

TomAz
03-04-2010, 08:52 PM
hey B remember when you committed that misdemeanor with me that one time? i mean you committed it but it was sort of a mutual idea.

BKsaysAction!
03-05-2010, 03:41 AM
until they have rich native americans lobbying.

They must be busy with their casinos.

Gribbz
03-05-2010, 10:14 AM
the dudes from System of a Down- Armenian

They've been petitioning this for years.