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marooko
12-03-2009, 06:52 PM
I am currently doing some reading and trying to find out about some of the effects. Positive or negative. Figure I'd bring it up here and ask.

Anyone have any experience with this? Does it raise it, lower it? I know temporarily it can, but for chronic smokers (me) this can go away. It is also know to lower BP with heavier usage.

That's about all I have right now. Can you all be so kind as to share your knowledge or experiences.


While getting my recommendation the other day, the Doc. asked me about my blood pressure. Said it was high. That i should go get it checked out by my primary care physician and go from there. Unfortunately, I don't have medical insurance anymore. So, uh, yeah. We'll see how this goes.

I also know I should watch my salt intake, get more fruits and veggies and exercise.

I'll be taking some of these measures even before I go to another doctor, cause, you know, it's a good idea anyway.

So yeah, any suggestions as to what to do and or the effects to your BP due to marijuana usage.

malcolmjamalawesome
12-03-2009, 06:56 PM
I know smoking cigarettes can increase your BP but that's just because of the nicotine and it binds at certain receptors that cause your veins/arteries to constrict. As far as pot, since it's bonding at cannaboid receptors, it's probably neutral with a chance of vasodilatory effect that could reduce BP, but certainly not to a therapeutic level.

I assume you're asking to make sure smoking pot won't make it worse rather than asking to see if smoking pot will help correct it, right?

PC-2 Violence
12-03-2009, 06:58 PM
I totally suffered from HBP and a panic attack last night from two hits of chronic and I smoke every day.

The panic attacks happen more frequently, but I kinda noticed how I probably have not been noticing the HBP. I hope that it has not been going on for so long that there is irreversible strain on my heart.

malcolmjamalawesome
12-03-2009, 07:00 PM
High Blood Pressure is asymptomatic so nobody's going to "notice" it.

marooko
12-03-2009, 07:05 PM
I assume you're asking to make sure smoking pot won't make it worse rather than asking to see if smoking pot will help correct it, right?

Exactly. Not trying to treat, just would rather not quit smoking pot. Like if I had Diabetes, I'd have to leave the potatoes alone. Yeah, I'm just gonna have to die. Pot, I can give up, but i sure as hell won't want to.

malcolmjamalawesome
12-03-2009, 07:27 PM
I think you're fine.

malcolmjamalawesome
12-03-2009, 07:27 PM
Are you a big fat guy? How old are you? How high is this blood pressure?

Sleepingrock
12-03-2009, 08:17 PM
You can't go to the doctor to check about your blood pressure because you lack medical insurance..... that is ridiculously silly.... You guys need more health care....

Geno_g
12-03-2009, 08:33 PM
Go to CVS and get a free blood pressure test (they have the chair with the cuff and it does a free test), your gonna get high blood pressure from panicking about weed, haha

marooko
12-03-2009, 10:00 PM
You can't go to the doctor to check about your blood pressure because you lack medical insurance..... that is ridiculously silly.... You guys need more health care....

No, no, I can do that. If I do have an issue that needs to be addressed, there arises a problem. That's when things start getting pricey, tests and meds.

lowfront
12-03-2009, 10:58 PM
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locachica73
12-04-2009, 06:40 AM
About two years ago I went through a bout of high blood pressure. It was caused by stress, which caused a lack of sleep, which lowered my metabolism even more which made me gain weight which then made my blood pressure even higher, which made me sleep less (see a pattern?). I went from having low blood pressure all my life to being critically high in a few months period. My doctor put my on blood pressure meds and sleeping pills, after awhile of getting regular rest and not laying in bed for hours on end each night thinking about all the shit in my life my blood pressure went down. Which I didn't know so I continued taking the meds, which made it go too low at one point and I passed out (good times). I am no longer on either med and my blood pressure is back to normal, and even low at times.

Are you having trouble sleeping? I know you are under a lot of stress due to being unemployed and such. You need to go get it checked but one thing to possibly try if you are not sleeping well is possibly some over the counter sleep aids to help you get rested. I am not a big fan of those and prefer the ones the doc prescribes, less sluggishness in the morning, but I understand that might not be an option.

chairmenmeow47
12-04-2009, 06:50 AM
i'm in an addiction class now, and i think i remember reading that it's not good for your heart to drink & smoke, so maybe avoid that. i'll have to confirm when i get home. also, i hate to say it, but you're already smoking pot, right? so obviously it's NOT helping if you're going to the doc & getting a diagnosis of high blood pressure. have you tried abstaining?

conversely, i knew a girl that had dangerously high blood levels during pregnancy and if she puffed just once an evening, it made all the difference and her levels became normal. but that's probabably because she was ONLY puffing once a day after not puffing at all.

also, if you do need more sleep like loca suggested, try to get natural sleep. things like xanax, pot & sleeping pills don't allow you to have normal rem cycles and thus you're not really getting the sleep you need; you're just passing out.

algunz
12-04-2009, 07:34 AM
I've heard that pot can raise your heart rate, but that's not necessarily the same as HBP.

bug on your lip
12-04-2009, 07:38 AM
maybe marooko is forcing his body to try to grow a measly mustache and it is straining his heart

bobert
12-04-2009, 09:37 AM
I have really high-blood pressure - just started taking medication for it about six months ago. I'm 27, so I opted for the pills over trying to control it with diet and salt intake. You'll get kidney damage eventually if you don't get it lowered. Since this is something you may be dealing with the rest of your life you may want to look into getting your own blood pressure monitor. They start at around $75 or so. That way you could really put get some answers to your questions - get high and check your change in blood pressure immediately. Unless your hypertension is really mild you'll probably end up on medication anyways - mine is fairly cheap and doesn't have any noticeable side-effects. Biggest thing you'll have to worry about is getting enough potassium since the meds flush that out of your body along with excess salts. Hope that helps.

bug on your lip
12-04-2009, 09:48 AM
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marooko
12-04-2009, 01:11 PM
Damn my ancestry. Sure, I look young, but that doesn't matter if I'm gonna die in 10 years.

Thank you guys for some of the feedback. I definitely need to sleep better, and some exercise wouldn't hurt. Already eat little salt, what else do I need to consider?

Young blood
12-04-2009, 01:19 PM
driving really fast with your eyes closed.

BlackSwan
12-04-2009, 01:28 PM
Based on his posts, I think Pot probably has high blood pressure.

TheWatcher
12-04-2009, 01:59 PM
It's weird, I was searching on Google yesterday for the effect of cannabis on blood pressure. (Currently non-smoker) ...

I'm also trying to lower my blood pressure. At one point it was getting into actual hypertension, like 160/90. I was able to bring it down to about 115/70 by doing aerobics, going on a raw food diet, and losing 20lbs. However, after going back to a normal diet, it has climbed back up to around 135/85, which is not good, but not bad enough for me to want to mess with the medications that the doctor would be giving me. So I am looking for some other solution.

My father has a heart condition, and he is supposed to keep his blood pressure around 90/50. He has found there are some things that will lower the blood pressure more effectively than what the doctor will prescribe, with fewer side effects. I am currently starting to try several things, hopefully one will work for me. Of course, I know stress is one big factor!

BROKENDOLL
12-04-2009, 08:18 PM
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Having crabs VS High Blood Pressure???

Bug, where the hell is that?
I don't deal with things that have more than 4 legs very well. That's insane!

brittany
12-04-2009, 10:00 PM
I smoke pot every day and I have low blood pressure. Systolic ~100, although I eat tons of salt (but don't eat meat). I've always thought pot lowers blood pressure. It reduces stress, at least.. Even if it does, it probably won't help if you don't exercise and eat junk food.


Thank you guys for some of the feedback. I definitely need to sleep better, and some exercise wouldn't hurt. Already eat little salt, what else do I need to consider?

Probably cut down on red meat?

Astrid
12-04-2009, 11:35 PM
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malcolmjamalawesome
12-05-2009, 04:40 AM
i'm in an addiction class now, and i think i remember reading that it's not good for your heart to drink & smoke, so maybe avoid that.

As far as the cigarette smoking goes, though, that's a function of the nicotine, not just the act of inhaling smoke.

marooko
12-05-2009, 09:58 AM
It's weird, I was searching on Google yesterday for the effect of cannabis on blood pressure. (Currently non-smoker) ...

I'm also trying to lower my blood pressure. At one point it was getting into actual hypertension, like 160/90. I was able to bring it down to about 115/70 by doing aerobics, going on a raw food diet, and losing 20lbs. However, after going back to a normal diet, it has climbed back up to around 135/85, which is not good, but not bad enough for me to want to mess with the medications that the doctor would be giving me. So I am looking for some other solution.

My father has a heart condition, and he is supposed to keep his blood pressure around 90/50. He has found there are some things that will lower the blood pressure more effectively than what the doctor will prescribe, with fewer side effects. I am currently starting to try several things, hopefully one will work for me. Of course, I know stress is one big factor!



I know stress is a HUGE part of it for me. I need to move more as well. Walk the dog, ride my bike. Sucks that it's cold out right now, but not too bad.

My dad also has heart problems, runs in his side of the family. Joy.

BROKENDOLL
12-05-2009, 10:01 AM
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After the first like 35 seconds, I got excited thinking I would see how crabs "did it," so I kept watching. Now my fucking blood pressure is sky high after remembering the time my brother dropped one of those crawdad things down the back of my t-shirt years ago, and, had that been me in that bed where the crab tried to cuddle with my foot, guaranteed...a linen change would have been necessary!

I know, it's probably weird to want to watch crabs fuck, but c'mon...they migrate all that way going sideways...can you imagine the possibilities during an amorous encounter? All the clawing and pinching? My God, I must google this immediately!

Monklish
12-05-2009, 10:04 AM
... and there's Brokendoll, turning a crab migration as only she can into beastiality and bed-shitting.

marooko
12-05-2009, 10:06 AM
I assumed it had something to do with sex. I refuse to click and see.

BROKENDOLL
12-05-2009, 10:16 AM
I assumed it had something to do with sex. I refuse to click and see.
No, Astrid's vid was only the migration. BUT...leave it to youtube to pull through. (Don't worry, crab sex isn't all it's thought to be! LOL)
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Obviously, it wasn't enough, so I had to continue my hunt...(I won't post the vid of the wanking walrus, I promise!)

JebusLives
12-05-2009, 10:20 AM
No, Astrid's vid was only the migration.

He probably has you blocked. I'm considering it.

Sleeping Lion
12-05-2009, 03:11 PM
Well being a health nut the last 3 1/2 years of my life I'll throw some advice your way.

Less fruits, more veggies. Fruits while rich in flavor, supposedly "healthy", and cheap still have a decent amount of sugar and carbs. Apples are a good example. All in moderation I guess.
Sugar > Insulin > Fat > which then makes it harder for you to burn this "fat". All affecting BP in the process.

I used to weigh 220+ back in 06'. I've dropped down to 175 and lowered my bp, body fat ( of course ) and raised my awareness on my health. I used a simple 1 hr a day light cardio which fell into cardio and weights > more weights/less cardio > finally intense weight and a easier diet to follow.

My BP is almost perfect and I thank this to lifting weights and my lifestyle change. Oh yeah I used to smoke a lot of pot back in the day too. This was the hardest thing to end but me and my "healthy" ways stripped this away completely. Now I know the truth ( well for my case anyways ) it doesn't hinder muscle growth. So every now and then I smoke after working out to let my muscles relax before going to bed. If not I won't fall asleep.

Most people frown at the fact of lifting weights but it really is better than most cardio plans imo. Cardio increases your heart rate which then burns calories correct? WTF do you think lifting weights do?? Also this added benefit lets you target certain body parts for improvement if need be. A full body workout is perfect though. You can even do this at home with 2 dumbells. I could go on for pages on this stuff but lifting weights WILL help lower BP, lower stress, tense and relaxes your muscles, and increases metabolism ( which burns body fat while your sleeping /not working out ) I guarantee.

As for a change in diet - a few tips.
*Eat nothing from a microwave unless your warming up decent leftovers. Every frozen food quicky meal packs 100-1000s of milligrams of sodium.
*Lower your soda/sugar water intake to at least 1-2 a week. Water is all you need...oh and sometimes coffee.
*Eat lots of protein ( lean meats or even full fat ), lower your carbs. Carbs = Insulin = Fat. So stop eating things with bread or fried friends.
*Seriously if you want a burger, drop the bread and eat everything else.
* Eat 3-6 times a day. Small meals and snacks to increase your metabolism. Combo this with light weights and you will burn calories when doing nothing.
I eat A L O T of food. 3 Eggs and bacon/sausage every morning. Snack at 10am ( at work ), Lunch at 12, snack after work ( 4:30 ) then a meal after working out ( 8pm ).
Simplest thing every person should know about burning fat or being healthy.
Your body breaks down items like this.
1. Carbs
2. Fat.
3. Protein
Since it goes for carbs first it then trys using it for energy. Thus leaving the fat in your body and you fighting for nothing. If you were to say lower your carbs by a considerable degree your body would burn the few carbs you have, then go straight after fat. Protein is the hardest thing your body can break up. Meaning it works so hard to break it up it is burning additional calories just trying. Another great reason to eat lean meats.
Keep smoking your pot but lower your amount as it does affect other things....like your ability to even workout. Hope this helps. If you need any other advice feel free to pm me.

malcolmjamalawesome
12-05-2009, 03:13 PM
Pics or you're a fatass.

BROKENDOLL
12-05-2009, 03:51 PM
I'm not sure what happened last night, but after a shot or two, I sat here and smoked a good sized bowl of some bud that was either really, really strong, or maybe shouldn't have been done while drinking. One minute I felt buzzed and fine, and within 5-10 minutes the room started to spin, leaving me lighthheaded and feeling like I was gonna faint. I had earphones on and quickly took them off and made my way to the bed, dressed, shoes, everything. It was as if my equalibrium was off. Maybe the phones? Pete was asleep and as I just lay there, the feeling wasn't going away. I actually woke him to tell him I felt weird. Not my normal weird, but like my heart was racing and my head felt heavy weird. Almost like you feel when you haven't eaten. I don't know if it was anxiety from the good buzz, or maybe the tequila and the smoke... I must pay more attention to this thread, I guess...

Sleeping Lion
12-05-2009, 04:55 PM
Pics or you're a fatass.

Hah well that would also make me a hypocrite. Maybe I'll post a pic or two later. Lucky for me I'm out of town and not near my desktop.

Kevin Bacon but hispanic. 0_0

TallGuyCM
12-05-2009, 04:58 PM
When I read the title of this thread I thought it meant that PvK was back for a minute.

DFrank
12-05-2009, 05:10 PM
wut...

marooko
12-06-2009, 02:12 AM
i weigh like 150. im 5'9.

Sleeping Lion
12-06-2009, 12:40 PM
i weigh like 150. im 5'9.


That's a healthy weight for your height. I don't agree with the BMI indicator one bit. Usually people in your range should weigh between 130-165 at most....well women.

I mean if your want to lower your bp or just drop some pounds everything I stated earlier should work. It's really how hard/fast you want to drop it that your workout will change. I say start jump roping. Its easy, cheap, can do it indoors, can increase your heart rate more so than running depending on tempo and works out your arms, stomach and legs.

500 a day in 50 jump sets. After 50, rest 1 minute then repeat till your goal is complete.

TheWatcher
12-06-2009, 02:54 PM
*Eat lots of protein ( lean meats or even full fat ), lower your carbs. Carbs = Insulin = Fat. So stop eating things with bread or fried friends.


:eek:

Uh... No fried friends for me.

Drinkey McDrinkerstein
12-06-2009, 02:57 PM
Bodies work so strangely. I smoke almost a pack a day, east a lot of salt, and drink upwards of 2 pots of coffee every week day at work..yet i had my blood pressure taken a month ago and the doctor called it "excellent"

Sleeping Lion
12-07-2009, 06:13 AM
Bodies work so strangely. I smoke almost a pack a day, east a lot of salt, and drink upwards of 2 pots of coffee every week day at work..yet i had my blood pressure taken a month ago and the doctor called it "excellent"

Good to hear. Some people just have decent genes it seems. Then again this reminds me of a quote I once read. "Just because your not sick doesn't mean your healthy". C'est la vie

bug on your lip
12-07-2009, 06:38 AM
I say start jump roping. Its easy, cheap, can do it indoors, can increase your heart rate more so than running depending on tempo and works out your arms, stomach and legs.

500 a day in 50 jump sets. After 50, rest 1 minute then repeat till your goal is complete.

i say someone tie some pot to the back of a scooter and drive off & make marooko chase it... that would be some incentive-based exercise, then drive the scooter off a bridge

marooko
12-07-2009, 01:09 PM
I think my issue stems mostly from stress.

I grind the fuck out of my teeth, I'm always tense which makes my back sore and knotted up a lot. My chiropractor gives me shit about it. I get stress headaches, can't sleep. I'm just angry. Always. I know it's not healthy, but I've always had a hard time dealing with it. Getting rid of it.

locachica73
12-07-2009, 01:27 PM
Unfortunately they don't have a pill to make the stress go away. Trust me, I asked. That is pretty much what happened with me as well, I went through a rough bout and it caused me to not sleep, and when I was sleeping it was not a good sleep, I was waking up every few hours, only sleeping a few hours a night, laying there tossing and turning thinking about all the bills to pay, all the kid problems, all the work issues, that sort of thing. The sleeping does help though, it helped me and now I am off the meds and am back to normal.

Suffacated
12-07-2009, 07:29 PM
I think my issue stems mostly from stress.


It's the stress marooko.
Only you know exactly what it is that stresses you out. Once you reduce, eliminate or remove yourself from what ever or who ever it is that stresses you out, your body,mind and spirit will heal. Medication, diet, exercise, The Thigh Master, or scented candles..... none of that shit works when you are stressed. So relax, get high and lose the stress. You'll suddenly find yourself sleeping better and feeling better with little or no changes to your diet, needing more exercise, costly medication or smelly scented candles.

ps...
If there was a way for me to send some work your way, I promise you.... I would.
Hang in there man...

marooko
12-07-2009, 09:38 PM
Thanks, Suff.

SFChrissy
12-08-2009, 05:25 AM
Pot is actually a "vasodilator" which is the dilation of the blood vessels and is opposit to. Vasorestriction. It is a relaxation of the smooth tissue and causees an increas of blood flow and a decrease in blood pressure. Its likely that your counteracting this process with stress levels...learn to deal with stressers in your life, deal wih them and become a master of strss management...some stress can be eliminated by removal but most of it must be managed by our direct response to it.

Good luck and hang in there!!!

SFChrissy
12-08-2009, 05:28 AM
Pot is actually a "vasodilator" which is the dilation of the blood vessels and is opposit to Vasorestriction. It is a relaxation of the smooth tissue and causes an increase of blood flow and a decrease in blood pressure. Its likely that your counteracting this process with stress levels...learn to deal with stressers in your life, deal with them and become a master of strss management...some stress can be eliminated by removal but most of it must be managed by our direct response to it.

Good luck and hang in there!!!