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send me ctrpllrs
09-07-2010, 05:49 PM
That is my friend Kyle right next to Chris in that BV picture, I must be just in front of them. What set was that?

Birds vs Worms
09-07-2010, 06:00 PM
got back a couple of hours ago. so epic. i'm uploading photos now but i also found a photo of myself on bv

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music/atpny/2010/sleep/52.jpg

send me ctrpllrs
09-07-2010, 06:02 PM
Not very clear, but I'm walking down the hallway in my orange Panda Bear shirt in this Brooklyn Vegan picture.

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music/atpny/2010/day3/tmodelford/8.jpg

TallGuyCM
09-07-2010, 06:16 PM
weeklymix and I in the background of another BV pic:

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music/atpny/2010/day2/fursaxa/14.jpg

Birds vs Worms
09-07-2010, 07:17 PM
i had the most amazing weekend ever. i'm definitely getting a 2 berth as soon as they're available next time though. everyone i met was cool except for this weird cracked out dude with a heavy stereotypical new york accent and yankees cap. that dude was weird and not very cool.

highlight of the entire fest was altar. i started giggling like a retard when i entered the stardust ballroom and saw this

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/thedondiego1/ATP/IMG_5432.jpg

there were two more stacks along that back wall. i knew it was gonna be loud but i didn't know how monumentally loud it would be. it was intense. it was the most amazing and immense show that i have ever seen. soo good

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sleep was probably the next best thing for me. a really great way to end friday night. gonna be seeing them on friday at the mohawk in austin. the amount of pot smoke in austin is gonna put the atp gig to shame. maybe not sound wise but the crowd should be better. no iggy crowd left over.

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those two were the highlights for me.

TallGuyCM
09-07-2010, 07:25 PM
Oh, and Thurston Moore's set consisted of a few songs with just him and an acoustic guitar, and then he brought out Bill Nace and proceeded to treat us to a 20 minute noise jam of sorts. It was fantastic.

Birds vs Worms
09-07-2010, 07:46 PM
didn't really meet any board folks, except for courtney and tallguy. we shared a table at the buffet late friday night. i think bmack is in one of my photos

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/thedondiego1/ATP/IMG_5220.jpg

is it cool if do an image dump here?

wmgaretjax
09-07-2010, 07:46 PM
fuck me.

suprefan
09-07-2010, 08:31 PM
Ugh.... and post all the pics you want man...

ADtF8NphAqQ

Icemouse
09-07-2010, 08:43 PM
Ugh.... and post all the pics you want man...

ADtF8NphAqQ

that's my video!!:pulse

stinkbutt
09-07-2010, 08:48 PM
didn't really meet any board folks, except for courtney and tallguy. we shared a table at the buffet late friday night. i think bmack is in one of my photos

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/thedondiego1/ATP/IMG_5220.jpg

is it cool if do an image dump here?

I was right behind Bmack during this

weeklymix
09-07-2010, 08:58 PM
Shared a bed with Courtney. Other stuff happened, too.

My personal (less musical) highlights:
- Listening in on two very personal interviews with Steve Albini and Michael Rother. I was unaware as to just how much Steve Albini hated the fashion industry.
- Catching T-Model Ford's first impromptu set in the lobby with Brian.
- Two awkward encounters with Michael Rother. I wish I had asked for the damn photo.
- Quality time with board members with whom I had been meaning to plan quality time.
- Driving to ATP from Texas. It really added to a nice week-long experience, so thanks B v W. I can't believe we just got back today.
- Paz Lenchantin bumming a cigarette from me and being very sweet before taking off on Monday.
- Todd Barry and I spoke twice and only when both parties were trashed.
- Corinna's daily Four Loko rampage.
- Chris and I's brief encounter with Jim Jarmusch.

I'll be able to say more about music when I'm less... whatever is afflicting me.

weeklymix
09-07-2010, 09:02 PM
weeklymix and I in the background of another BV pic:

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music/atpny/2010/day2/fursaxa/14.jpg

Background? No. That's the paparazzi angle. We were untouchable.

Courtney
09-07-2010, 09:05 PM
Zack and I shared a bed and it was the highlight of my weekend.


In other news, I need to finish uploading my own photos, but I got distracted by Brooklyn Vegan:

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music/atpny/2010/day3/fuckedup/55.jpg

weeklymix
09-07-2010, 09:07 PM
Corinna where is the red cup?

Birds vs Worms
09-07-2010, 09:14 PM
more pics

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dorkfish
09-07-2010, 09:50 PM
wait, Ron Jeremy was at ATP NY?

bballarl
09-07-2010, 10:38 PM
Evidently he introduced Raekwon.

jamie_atp
09-08-2010, 02:01 AM
yeah this was pretty good. would go again.

orbit
09-08-2010, 02:46 AM
- Two awkward encounters with Michael Rother. I wish I had asked for the damn photo.

meeting him on sunday morning was one of my highlights of the weekend. not asking him for a photo is probably my only regret.

iggy and the stooges making the crowd go beyond insanity, beak playing a beautiful set, sonic youth playing one of the best sets i've seen, altar resonating the entire resort, sleep, explosions in the sky, the books, texts of light, hallogallo, papa m, t model ford, people, ice cream man and asia dogs are some of the things that made this a fantastic weekend.

can't wait for next year.

Mr. Fuzz
09-08-2010, 07:15 AM
there are a few vids here
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/17386/198622

Courtney
09-08-2010, 07:40 AM
Ok massive photo drop. Sorry people with slow internet. Here's day 1 of 3:

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Mr. Fuzz
09-08-2010, 08:07 AM
A moment lost in time...

Birds vs Worms
09-08-2010, 08:29 AM
wow, you're photos are amazing

wmgaretjax
09-08-2010, 08:52 AM
Courtney, those pictures are fantastic.

I will not miss this next year. No way. No how.

miscorrections
09-08-2010, 09:35 AM
Courtney, those are beautiful.

miscorrections
09-08-2010, 09:36 AM
In other news, I need to finish uploading my own photos, but I got distracted by Brooklyn Vegan:

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music/atpny/2010/day3/fuckedup/55.jpg

Not sure why I look like I'm not having a good time. I was having THE BEST TIME.

rskapcat
09-08-2010, 09:39 AM
Ok massive photo drop. Sorry people with slow internet. Here's day 1 of 3:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4147/4959049260_a8edcdbeb8_z.jpg



My new phone background.

dorkfish
09-08-2010, 09:46 AM
yeah this was pretty good. would go again.
so ATP NY 2011 is confirmed?

Icemouse
09-08-2010, 09:55 AM
a friend asked me to throw up some words:
http://buzzlegoose.com/music/musicfeatures/festival-review-all-of-tomorrows-parties-new-york/

dorkfish
09-08-2010, 10:05 AM
Apparently, the Altar show in Brooklyn knocked out the building's power and they had to perform in darkness to conserve.

TallGuyCM
09-08-2010, 10:18 AM
That's awesome.

SoulDischarge
09-08-2010, 10:50 AM
Damn Courtney. You earned that press photographer mix up.

wmgaretjax
09-08-2010, 11:58 AM
Apparently, the Altar show in Brooklyn knocked out the building's power and they had to perform in darkness to conserve.

metal.

Courtney
09-08-2010, 10:12 PM
Thanks folks.

And yeah, that Altar show sounds pretty great.

GeezrRckr
09-08-2010, 10:27 PM
great shots, Courtney. do you shoot a fish eye?

and....i must go to this. must.

buddy
09-08-2010, 10:29 PM
agreed. these photos and reports are making me aware of atp's greatness.

stinkbutt
09-08-2010, 10:29 PM
Not sure why I look like I'm not having a good time. I was having THE BEST TIME.

KVWWre8tn_U

Mr. Fuzz
09-08-2010, 10:32 PM
agreed. these photos and reports are making me aware of atp's greatness.

This year's line up was great.

Courtney
09-08-2010, 10:37 PM
Day 2 of 3:

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dorkfish
09-08-2010, 10:44 PM
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snakebro: puked. time to get four loko and call up rebecca about 1 hour ago via Twitterrific

shakermaker113
09-08-2010, 11:02 PM
this looks pretty amazing. thanks for posting the photos courtney.

Birds vs Worms
09-08-2010, 11:39 PM
i was really stoned and may not be remembering correcty but did you happen to snap a photo of me at the buffet dining room after sleep?

dorkfish
09-09-2010, 12:35 AM
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dorkfish
09-09-2010, 12:36 AM
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Pixiessp
09-09-2010, 12:51 AM
Shared a bed with Courtney. Other stuff happened, too.

My personal (less musical) highlights:
- Listening in on two very personal interviews with Steve Albini and Michael Rother. I was unaware as to just how much Steve Albini hated the fashion industry.
- Catching T-Model Ford's first impromptu set in the lobby with Brian.
- Two awkward encounters with Michael Rother. I wish I had asked for the damn photo.
- Quality time with board members with whom I had been meaning to plan quality time.
- Driving to ATP from Texas. It really added to a nice week-long experience, so thanks B v W. I can't believe we just got back today.
- Paz Lenchantin bumming a cigarette from me and being very sweet before taking off on Monday
- Todd Barry and I spoke twice and only when both parties were trashed.
- Corinna's daily Four Loko rampage.
- Chris and I's brief encounter with Jim Jarmusch.

I'll be able to say more about music when I'm less... whatever is afflicting me.

Wot? Good lord!!

jamie_atp
09-09-2010, 04:59 AM
Would be great to get everyone's pictures on the flickr group:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/atpny2010/

Icemouse
09-09-2010, 06:33 AM
The no more ATP NY rumors are making me sick. The same ones went around last year when Kutschers went up, though, so I'm hoping there will be no worries. I'm already planning on going to whatever the May ATP UK happens to be, but I know it won't be the same as my precious Kutsher's.

Mr. Fuzz
09-09-2010, 10:13 AM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4111/4958450221_24ace510cb_z.jpg

I love this painting.

jamie_atp
09-09-2010, 10:59 AM
Some kind words here:
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/rob-sheffield/blogs/Sheffield_May2010/200090/79703

Mr. Fuzz
09-09-2010, 11:14 AM
I like that article a lot. When I was watching that Stooges video above (that dorkfish posted) I couldn't help but think "How the hell is this guy still filming". It's like trying to film your own porno...at some point you need to set the camera down or turn it off so that you can feel the vibe.

Drinkey McDrinkerstein
09-09-2010, 01:44 PM
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Who is this? i am smitten.

Also, how did you end up in the room full of mattresses hahahaha

rskapcat
09-09-2010, 01:47 PM
The girl from Sian Alice Group. She's a mesmerizing performer...she reminded me a bit of Yukimi Nagano.

rage patton
09-09-2010, 01:56 PM
God. Damn. I really have to make it to this one year. It looks like too much fucking fun.

miscorrections
09-09-2010, 01:58 PM
The room full of mattresses was the TeenAreena. There were also some mattresses in the electrical room on our floor. We debated making everyone REAL HAPPY by flipping all the circuits, but eventually good choices prevailed.

Drinkey McDrinkerstein
09-09-2010, 02:00 PM
Wait, what is TeenAreena?

Everything about this festival is so fucking weird and awesome. I feel like you'd still have a really good time even if you didn't watch a single band

stinkbutt
09-09-2010, 02:00 PM
Did anyone else find the synagogue? My friends said they found it late Saturday night but I never got to see it

miscorrections
09-09-2010, 02:02 PM
Drinkey, not sure exactly WHAT the TeenAreena was but there were loads of mattresses and chairs and a book about baseball and some graffiti on a cabinet that said "Hi teens! Sup?". The TeenAreena was adjacent to the ice skating rink.

miscorrections
09-09-2010, 02:03 PM
The fridge in the ice skating rink still had a jar of Hellman's in it. The phone at the skate rental booth was still functional.

TallGuyCM
09-09-2010, 02:03 PM
I really didn't explore as much as I should have.

miscorrections
09-09-2010, 02:12 PM
I went in that GZA gap where all that was on was Vivian Girls.

getbetter
09-09-2010, 02:17 PM
Note to self go to ATP next year.

TallGuyCM
09-09-2010, 02:35 PM
It really was the best weekend of my life. If I could only afford to do one festival next year, I'd skip Coachella without a second thought. It's that good.

stinkbutt
09-09-2010, 02:40 PM
I didn't take many pictures, I got too caught up in having a blast to remember to take them. Here's a bunch

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stinkbutt
09-09-2010, 02:42 PM
I'm not sure why but there were a lot of people near the front for Altar wearing rubber gloves, it was kinda strange

send me ctrpllrs
09-09-2010, 03:06 PM
Who is this? i am smitten.

Also, how did you end up in the room full of mattresses hahahaha

I was mesmerized by her, pleasant surprise to wake up and see how pretty she was. And the band sounded great.

I've got some decent photos, but I'm too lazy/high right now to upload them to another site. Oh it looks like I can use the ones I already put on facebook, I'll put some up in a few.

Courtney
09-09-2010, 03:12 PM
i was really stoned and may not be remembering correcty but did you happen to snap a photo of me at the buffet dining room after sleep?

This is the only photo I took of you guys:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4093/4969412015_b13c688b30_z.jpg

rage patton
09-09-2010, 03:28 PM
Dave, those Iggy Pop pictures are fucking awesome. Judge Judy also made me laugh. The picture with Bryan and the kid is pretty freaking adorable.

Courtney
09-09-2010, 03:33 PM
Day 3 of 3:

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send me ctrpllrs
09-09-2010, 03:34 PM
First, I must put up the view from our hotel room in Times Square, then some ATP pictures.

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miscorrections
09-09-2010, 03:36 PM
Courtney you monster! The picture of Atsuo's hair flying is tremendous.

send me ctrpllrs
09-09-2010, 04:01 PM
I need to get a camera. I've been borrowing my mom's for shows for a while now and it just doesn't cut it. I love how I posted mine right after all those awesome pictures, mine look bad compared to those haha.

stinkbutt
09-09-2010, 04:07 PM
Yeah no shit I can't even come close to comparing to Courtney's pics

rskapcat
09-09-2010, 04:44 PM
Day 3 of 3:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4086/4969971582_e8dfea0671_z.jpg



Hahaha...I'm glad you happened to snap this. :p

ivankay
09-09-2010, 05:21 PM
All these pictures are so great. This thread is holding some of the best pictures a thread ever has.

Courtney, you are on a different planet. Your pictures are incredible and i bow in your direction. i loves them all. Great werk.

jamie_atp
09-10-2010, 01:29 AM
Lighting guys did a great job this year! (And See Factor with the sound.)

itsallgonnabreak
09-10-2010, 09:35 AM
Best lighting was Fuck Buttons, I thought.

Also, Jaime- I have a friend who thinks he left something in the room. Who is the best person to contact? Thanks in advance!

bmack86
09-10-2010, 09:51 AM
The sound in the second stage was much improved this year. I was really disappointed when I saw Books were playing there, but it sounded crystalline.

miscorrections
09-10-2010, 10:06 AM
Yeah, I didn't hear the rebound that plagued years past. It was an incredible improvement.

MrAmeche
09-10-2010, 10:07 AM
I thought Bardo Pond's sound was pretty blown out. Otherwise, I had no complaints with Stage 2. The back-wall curtain probably helped.

TallGuyCM
09-10-2010, 10:29 AM
I know it happens every year, but rumors of ATP not returning to Kutsher's, if at all, are out there. This is what someone told me on last.fm:

"last year at ATP we won the rock quiz and got free tix and a room for this year. When we repeated this year we were pretty stoked for another round of free tix and a room only to hear that it was pretty much a done deal that it isn't coming back to Kutscher's next yr."

Just hearsay, but still.

miscorrections
09-10-2010, 10:31 AM
Someone told me the asking price for the entirety of Kutsher's was 500 million, though, so if that's true then there is no way in hell a sale is happening any time soon.

dorkfish
09-10-2010, 10:35 AM
Kutshers was for sale for $12M last year, but they've pulled it off the market since then.

miscorrections
09-10-2010, 10:36 AM
12 seems a lot more reasonable than 500, but yeah, that place is not selling for that much ever. I hope ATP is down to come back next year, and I hope Kutsher's realizes what a boon the event is to them & the town.

LooseAtTheZoo
09-10-2010, 10:44 AM
There are plenty of other shitty Catskills resorts in various states of disrepair ATP could take place at

miscorrections
09-10-2010, 10:47 AM
Yes, but I think it's fair to say that most/all attendees who have been more than once have grown attached.

TallGuyCM
09-10-2010, 11:01 AM
I've only been once and I'm already attached. And what other resort is gonna have the ballroom in the hotel that works so perfectly?

shermanoaksyo
09-10-2010, 11:50 AM
I really should have become an evil banker so as to be able to afford to go to more festivals. I'll keep this in mind for the next life.

MrAmeche
09-10-2010, 12:27 PM
There are plenty of other shitty Catskills resorts in various states of disrepair ATP could take place at
Probably not many with a main venue as well-suited to ATP as Kutshers, though.

LooseAtTheZoo
09-10-2010, 12:37 PM
Stagedoor Manor

weeklymix
09-10-2010, 08:36 PM
If I become super rich, super fast, I will buy Kutsher's.

Mr. Fuzz
09-10-2010, 09:56 PM
If I become super rich I'd have Iggy & the Stooges playing at my house.

whiney
09-10-2010, 11:05 PM
it didn't exactly sell out this year or last. i think it might just be a case of new yorkers being dipshits and not knowing a good thing when they have it...

send me ctrpllrs
09-11-2010, 12:10 AM
Well it is kind of expensive to stay at Kutsher's + the festival tickets, I think that puts off a lot of people. It's worth every penny though and the prices are more than reasonable for all we get. My first year I went alone, this year 3 came with me, hopefully more next year. It felt like more people this year, I wonder what the totals were.

fastmusicfan
09-11-2010, 06:45 AM
Sorry, first post. Lurking for a couple years, and finally went this year. Fantastic. Anyway, the interview article with Barry that someone linked to a little while ago made it sound like Kutshers had already asked if they wanted to book again and the he considered it an ongoing event, no? I would absolutely be back again, probably with more people.

Icemouse
09-11-2010, 07:59 AM
it didn't exactly sell out this year or last. i think it might just be a case of new yorkers being dipshits and not knowing a good thing when they have it...

Last year I don't think it came close to selling out, this year pitchfork said it did.

As far as more people next year, my group might need more rooms because it's getting easier and easier to get people to sign on. The two I convinced to come this year are each bringing one more person with them at least. That's a whole room right there and we still had 5 other people in the room this year!

fastmusicfan
09-11-2010, 08:44 AM
I can't imagine that the vast majority of people who attended wouldn't want to go again. It certainly doesn't hurt that the major music mags/sites and artists often call it the best festival in the U.S..

Courtney
09-12-2010, 12:03 PM
The fridge in the ice skating rink still had a jar of Hellman's in it. The phone at the skate rental booth was still functional.

HA! I didn't notice that.


Courtney you monster! The picture of Atsuo's hair flying is tremendous.


I need to get a camera. I've been borrowing my mom's for shows for a while now and it just doesn't cut it. I love how I posted mine right after all those awesome pictures, mine look bad compared to those haha.


Yeah no shit I can't even come close to comparing to Courtney's pics


Hahaha...I'm glad you happened to snap this. :p


All these pictures are so great. This thread is holding some of the best pictures a thread ever has.

Courtney, you are on a different planet. Your pictures are incredible and i bow in your direction. i loves them all. Great werk.

Thanks dears :pulse. I will definitely be back next year with my overpriced camera and massively heavy lenses if I can swing a photo pass again. ATP is such a pleasure to shoot because everyone is really nice and accommodating, and the lighting is so fabulous. And if I can't swing a photo pass, I'll be back anyway, just without my camera :)

Courtney
09-12-2010, 12:07 PM
Also I love when people add me as a contact on flickr and then I notice that I recognize people in their photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ekatokyo/):

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4105/4971048751_f7f207cddc_z.jpg

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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4133/4975488848_dd1a334f6c_z.jpg

Courtney
09-12-2010, 12:17 PM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4124/4969410365_30d4f5b510_z.jpg

Courtney
09-12-2010, 01:01 PM
Finally got around to reading that Rolling Stone article that Jamie posted. Kudos to Rob Sheffield for getting it so right:


For the third straight year, ATP was the festival that makes all others seem like a trip to the dentist. There’s no outdoor toilets, no trudge to the parking lot, no booths of hucksters trying to sell you something, no VIP corrals. Everybody showed up because they’re a hardcore music freak, so the borscht-belt vibe is almost bizarrely friendly. The bands hang out to watch one another’s sets, and nobody rubbernecks or eyefucks or bugs them for pictures. The guest curator was indie director Jim Jarmusch, who seemed to show up for every band that played.

rskapcat
09-13-2010, 09:59 AM
Figured I'd share what I wrote for a friend's website. (I don't really consider myself a writer...the friend just wants to collect perspectives on all the US festivals.)

http://thesynaptic.com/2010/09/13/volume-all-tomorrows-parties-kutshers-country-club-monticello-ny-0903-052010-by-becca-skaparas-special-guest-of-the-synaptic/

bmack86
09-13-2010, 01:53 PM
sigh

1. Candle
2. The Sprawl
3. Cross The Breeze
4. Catholic Block
5. Stereo Sanctity
6. Eric's Trip
7. Death Valley'69
8. Shadow Of A Doubt
9. Hey Joni
10. The Wonder
11. Hyperstation
12. Shaking Hell


13. White Cross
14. Expressway To Yr Skull

Can I just say? Wow. The Stooges were a blast, but this set REALLY stands out for me. I wasn't that excited to see the Youth again as I've seen in such great conditions times past, but they brought it so hard. Finally got to hear Death Valley '69, which made my night in the most spectacular way, and closing the whole night with Expressway. Awesome.

Courtney
09-13-2010, 01:54 PM
Yeah, this was the best set I've ever heard Sonic Youth do. And I've seen them quite a few times. Sooo good.

Becca, I'm gonna read your article now.

Icemouse
09-13-2010, 02:00 PM
Someone on last.fm says that he emailed ATP in regards to the rumors an that there are NO plans to abandon ATPNY. That almost warrants celebration in itself


I hope that the carpet in stage 2 gets cleaned before next year. I was getting some serious allergy issues in there.. I actually skipped the black angels to get a better Altar spot because I didn't want to be sniffling the whole time. It was my fault for sitting on it though which made it a lot worse

Courtney
09-13-2010, 02:13 PM
Figured I'd share what I wrote for a friend's website. (I don't really consider myself a writer...the friend just wants to collect perspectives on all the US festivals.)

http://thesynaptic.com/2010/09/13/volume-all-tomorrows-parties-kutshers-country-club-monticello-ny-0903-052010-by-becca-skaparas-special-guest-of-the-synaptic/

Nicely said.

I failed my attempt at attending the pub quiz and a lot of the other non-music things like films and the discussion panels. However, I did make it to bingo, the spa, Steve Albini's card room, and late night stuff, so at least that's better than last year where I pretty much just camped out at the stages and then went back to the hotel room.


Someone on last.fm says that he emailed ATP in regards to the rumors an that there are NO plans to abandon ATPNY. That almost warrants celebration in itself

YESSSSS.


I hope that the carpet in stage 2 gets cleaned before next year. I was getting some serious allergy issues in there.. I actually skipped the black angels to get a better Altar spot because I didn't want to be sniffling the whole time. It was my fault for sitting on it though which made it a lot worse

Hm, I didn't notice that, but that sucks.

MrAmeche
09-13-2010, 05:39 PM
Sonic Youth didn't play Expressway. It was listed on the setlist, but they ended with White Cross and a noise jam. Proof: http://www.self-titledmag.com/home/2010/09/12/download-this-now-sonic-youths-entire-atp-ny-set/

I stayed for a while after that, so I'm pretty confident they didn't come back out for a second encore after their gear was broken down.

bballarl
09-14-2010, 10:31 AM
Bryan Mack at ATP, via WFMU's ATP playlists:

http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/LB/ATP10/tmodelford1.jpg

Courtney
09-14-2010, 10:32 AM
So. Freaking. Cute.

bballarl
09-14-2010, 10:35 AM
The kid or Bryan?

Pixiessp
09-14-2010, 10:47 AM
Nice article, Becca. :thu

TallGuyCM
09-14-2010, 09:29 PM
^ That's hilarious. Bryan looks like he's having an innocent child-like good time, and then there's an actual innocent child right next to him. Just perfect.

TallGuyCM
09-15-2010, 12:04 PM
This page needs more pictures. Here's a few of the better ones I took, I'll keep it at 5 a post for easier scrolling:

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TallGuyCM
09-15-2010, 12:06 PM
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TallGuyCM
09-15-2010, 12:08 PM
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TallGuyCM
09-15-2010, 12:09 PM
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LooseAtTheZoo
09-15-2010, 12:28 PM
I'm happy to say the first ever picture of me on the board is in the ATP thread.

Can't wait for next year, everyone.

mountmccabe
09-15-2010, 12:47 PM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3428/3922231160_90bc20ab26.jpg

Ahh, Boris.

LooseAtTheZoo
09-15-2010, 01:08 PM
Ahh, Boris.

Totally forgot about this one too! I love both, thanks guys.

AndyFaulkner
09-15-2010, 01:36 PM
Sonic Youth didn't play Expressway. It was listed on the setlist, but they ended with White Cross and a noise jam. Proof: http://www.self-titledmag.com/home/2010/09/12/download-this-now-sonic-youths-entire-atp-ny-set/

I stayed for a while after that, so I'm pretty confident they didn't come back out for a second encore after their gear was broken down.

Thanks for clarifying. After reading the set list I thought maybe they came back to play Expressway after I left.
Fab set.

fastmusicfan
09-15-2010, 05:14 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tecartmel/4992267856/;http://www.flickr.com/photos/tecartmel/4975222637/;http://www.flickr.com/photos/tecartmel/4975832512/;http://www.flickr.com/photos/tecartmel/4975224993/;http://www.flickr.com/photos/tecartmel/4975828954/

fastmusicfan
09-15-2010, 05:15 PM
Hmmm. That didn't work to well at all, did it?

fastmusicfan
09-15-2010, 05:19 PM
"too well" I meant, sorry.

fastmusicfan
09-15-2010, 05:53 PM
Here are a few things I learned this year ( my first ATP). Kutshers>Raleigh, bring ice, sleep later, stay up later, more band research beforehand, if you're not into a band there's plenty you could be doing instead, there are a fair amount of females that are into it, it's easy to get close to the stage if you want/need to, just keep taking pictures while still enjoying yourself, caffeine is your friend.

fastmusicfan
09-15-2010, 05:58 PM
Something I didn't learn- how to post multiple, decent size pictures. I'll do my homework, but in the meantime: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tecartmel/sets/72157624920812968/

Courtney
09-15-2010, 06:05 PM
Nice. I always forget to take a picture of wristbands.

Also, one of these years I want to go over to the Raleigh to see what it's all about. Although I had an interesting conversation with one of the Kutsher's staff around 4am on Saturday night about how even though budget cuts haven't been noticeable to most attendees, ATP has been noticeably cutting the amenities for people staying at the Raleigh (no bar or ATP-dedicated services, less shuttles, etc). He had sort of a interesting take on things -- prior to that conversation, I hadn't realized how much resentment there was from the locals about ATP not giving back enough (not putting money into the facilities to make them better, not paying enough to have Kutsher's host, etc). It made me sad, although I suppose these sort of town-gown style relations are inevitable for annual events.

Still-ill
09-15-2010, 06:05 PM
Tell me, Fastmusicfan, did you watch Sleep?

fastmusicfan
09-15-2010, 06:19 PM
I didn't miss any of the Raleigh stuff, shuttles were fine, room was usable, but the overall Raleigh vibe is creepy. I'm pretty sure they turned on the water and electric the week before and crossed their fingers. I'd do it again, in a heartbeat, if I missed the Kutsher's buy.

We did see Sleep (there's one pic in the Flickr set), but didn't stay til they finished though they were crushing (in a good way). Next year will definitely call for better buzz management also, though we did pretty well all weekend. Sleep is one of the bands in particular I wish I had listened to more beforehand. I listened to Holy Mountain several times and knew what to expect, but now I listen to it alot louder and it makes more sense. That might sound dumb, but there it is.

BEAK> was awesome, I thought, and wish I knew all those songs, too. Explosions in the Sky is another.

Awesome, awesome weekend. Austin City Limits Festival is going to be a total letdown, now, isn't it?

fastmusicfan
09-15-2010, 06:20 PM
Courtney, your pictures are awesome, by the way.

Courtney
09-15-2010, 06:29 PM
Thanks!


You all probably already posted/read these pieces on Kutsher's from the local Monticello newspaper this July, right? I came across them when reading post-ATP coverage.

Kutsher's resort all began with a modest rooming house (http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100705/NEWS/7050323): I especially like how on the timeline there is basically a massive gap and nothing changes between 1968 and 2000.

Famed Kutsher's resort charts new course - again (http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100705/NEWS/7050322): "They're booking hip new Jewish acts like Neshama Carlebach and the off-Broadway show "Circumcise Me" — while keeping elements of what made the Catskills the Catskills, like activities director and "Dirty Dancing" inspiration Jackie Horner, who wears a T-shirt that says "Stop Kvetching, Start Stretching.""

TallGuyCM
09-15-2010, 06:52 PM
Famed Kutsher's resort charts new course - again (http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100705/NEWS/7050322): "They're booking hip new Jewish acts like Neshama Carlebach and the off-Broadway show "Circumcise Me" while keeping elements of what made the Catskills the Catskills, like activities director and "Dirty Dancing" inspiration Jackie Horner, who wears a T-shirt that says "Stop Kvetching, Start Stretching.""

This has to be a joke. LOL.

fatbastard
09-15-2010, 06:56 PM
Oh man, this is just #ucking horrible. Jealous does not even describe the feeling.

Happy for all of you, really.:(

Courtney
09-15-2010, 06:57 PM
I would pay large amounts of money for a "Stop Kvetching, Start Stretching" t-shirt.

weeklymix
09-16-2010, 05:51 PM
God fucking dammit I KNEW I saw Jon Spencer at ATP.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Jon_Spencer_2006.jpg/220px-Jon_Spencer_2006.jpg

jamie_atp
09-17-2010, 08:46 AM
Whoever that employee was sounds crazy. Do they expect us to pay them to rebuild their hotels? We pay a big fee and have overall taken a loss on these events whilst providing the hotels with custom they would otherwise never have.

By the way we turned up at the raleigh this year to find that without prior warning they would have no desk staff there as they had in previous years so we would have to keep people their all weekend. The shuttle services were the same as previous years as far as I know.

Anyway we just put on sale a few more 2 and 3 person tickets for the UK in december so you should all come and chill (it will be cold):
http://www.atpfestival.com/events/bowlie2/news/1009170925.php

wmgaretjax
09-17-2010, 09:29 AM
That's really fucking lame of the raleigh.

miscorrections
09-17-2010, 09:42 AM
That's shitty. And it makes me very sad that you take a loss on it because it is far and away the best festival going in the US.

Courtney
09-17-2010, 10:28 AM
Whoever that employee was sounds crazy. Do they expect us to pay them to rebuild their hotels? We pay a big fee and have overall taken a loss on these events whilst providing the hotels with custom they would otherwise never have.

By the way we turned up at the raleigh this year to find that without prior warning they would have no desk staff there as they had in previous years so we would have to keep people their all weekend. The shuttle services were the same as previous years as far as I know.

Anyway we just put on sale a few more 2 and 3 person tickets for the UK in december so you should all come and chill (it will be cold):
http://www.atpfestival.com/events/bowlie2/news/1009170925.php

Yeah, the whole conversation made me sad, and the employee sounded very unreasonable. I thought you guys probably take a loss on the festival, and tried telling him that, but he was like "oh no that Deborah is rolling in dough." So maybe he is just insane.

And that's way nuts about the no desk staff. Who does that?! A small recommendation: you might put that in your contract for them next year, if you haven't already.

weeklymix
09-17-2010, 01:52 PM
Throbbing Gristle is at the Godspeed ATP>?!

URRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

dorkfish
09-17-2010, 01:53 PM
Yup... Too bad it's on the other side of Earth.

weeklymix
09-17-2010, 01:55 PM
Seriously. My stomach hurts.

whiney
09-18-2010, 07:49 AM
just bought my tickets to Godspeed ATP

:D

Courtney
09-20-2010, 04:03 PM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4110/5007626552_e0d1325f38_z.jpg

fastmusicfan
09-20-2010, 06:05 PM
Nice. I can't quite figure out what exactly is going on in the Ski School picture. What is that woman doing? And where is her other arm?

bmack86
09-20-2010, 06:08 PM
She's lying on her skis as one of the men holds them up. Her arm is probably extending up behind her body.

fastmusicfan
09-20-2010, 06:26 PM
Okay, I'll buy that, although her arm may be waaaay down his pants. Another question: Is the guy in the middle of the skating rink wearing a crown for some reason?

weeklymix
09-20-2010, 07:16 PM
I hope I make a zillion dollars so I can buy Kutsher's.

TallGuyCM
09-20-2010, 11:21 PM
Those pics are pretty lulzy if you look at them long enough and notice the details.

jamie_atp
09-21-2010, 03:57 PM
where did those pics come from? any more around?

Courtney
09-21-2010, 04:07 PM
Jamie, I found them while searching on eBay for vintage postcards. The card that I took that image from was sold, but this one (http://cgi.ebay.com/Postcard-Kutshers-Country-Club-Golf-Monticello-NY-/370428070930?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item563f3bcc12) is still up:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a281/billd2626/feb%2019%2008%20pcs/untitled-0167.jpg

Not quite as good, but it's cool to see Kutsher's in its former incarnations.

Courtney
09-21-2010, 04:21 PM
And some from cardcow.com:

http://www.cardcow.com/images/set324/card00784_fr.jpg

http://www.cardcow.com/images/set134/card00698_fr.jpg

http://www.cardcow.com/images/set204/card00036_fr.jpg

http://www.cardcow.com/images/set134/card00701_fr.jpg

http://www.cardcow.com/images/set204/card00032_fr.jpg

http://www.cardcow.com/images/set289/card00314_fr.jpg


And flickr:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/102/263268132_a55e827826_z.jpg?zz=1

fastmusicfan
09-21-2010, 04:43 PM
Nice work, Courtney. Hilarious.

Tylerdurden31
09-21-2010, 04:45 PM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs160.ash2/41317_433022725107_507480107_5698844_3075403_n.jpg

I'm pretty sure the girl in the foreground is someone I'm in school with.

TallGuyCM
09-21-2010, 10:40 PM
And flickr:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/102/263268132_a55e827826_z.jpg?zz=1

OH MY GOD PAU GASOL HAS BEEN TO KUTSHER'S!

(The guy on the far right).

bmack86
09-21-2010, 11:02 PM
That really does look like him. Eerie.

weeklymix
09-21-2010, 11:04 PM
WE MUST RESTORE KUTSHER'S

Birds vs Worms
09-22-2010, 08:24 AM
yo zach, give me a reply

fastmusicfan
09-22-2010, 07:02 PM
Is it too early to start posting fantasy curator/lineups?

TallGuyCM
09-22-2010, 11:15 PM
Never too early.

Birds vs Worms
09-23-2010, 07:10 AM
ATP vs. THE FANS

MrAmeche
09-23-2010, 08:34 AM
Not Not Fun curating a side stage.

wmgaretjax
09-23-2010, 08:44 AM
god no. i like the label, but they are so damn inconsistent.

fastmusicfan
09-23-2010, 05:36 PM
I like the ATP vs. The Fans thinking. How about WFMU curating?

Courtney
09-23-2010, 06:10 PM
I'd take J. Spaceman as a curator.

fastmusicfan
09-23-2010, 06:32 PM
Curators: Albini, Bob Mould, Sonic Youth, Mac + Laura (Merge Records), Nick Cave

Don't Look Back: Guided By Voices-Alien Lanes, Scream-Still Screaming, Refused-The Shape of Punk to Come, Buzzcocks-Singles going Steady, Sleater-Kinney-any album really, Archers of Loaf

Performers: Mission of Burma, Future of the Left, NoMeansNo, Pissed Jeans, Frank Black Francis, Young Widows, The Wrens, Wolves in the Throneroom, White Denim, Grinderman, Battles, Ted Leo, Superchunk, Boris, Shellac(obviously), Kamikaze Hearts, Shrinebuilder, Portugal, The Man, Portishead, Polvo, Pele, Obits, Magnetic Fields, Horse Feathers, Grouper, Jason Lytle acoustic, Dead Can Dance, ASS

Apparently I'm big on the rock. Somebody else can figure out the electronic, hip hop, etc..

Courtney
09-23-2010, 06:35 PM
Thurston and Nick and Steve have already curated ATP events, haven't they?'

Bob Mould would be cool. He could pick everyone he has remixed (No Age, The Pretenders, Low, etc), and Drive-By Truckers and Son Volt because of the David Barbe connection. And maybe because of Brendan Canty, he could get Fugazi or at least The Thermals.

fastmusicfan
09-23-2010, 06:43 PM
Yeah, I think you're right. I didn't really fact check. There's probably a bunch of reasons for various "no ways" or they've already done it- singer's dead, they hate each other, etc.. Just browsing my library and trying, off the top of my head, to not put in alot of bands that have just played ATP NY, with some obvious exceptions.

I'd really like to come up with a curator that isn't obvious and maybe not a musician, but nothing's coming to me.

PassiveTheory
09-23-2010, 06:53 PM
Sofia Coppola?

fastmusicfan
09-23-2010, 06:58 PM
Thermals and Son Volt would both be great for me. I left Fugazi off for the "no way, unless it was for charity" thinking.

Courtney
09-23-2010, 07:18 PM
Sofia Coppola?

Well, if we're dreaming big here, I'd like to see Elizabeth Peyton or Chloe Sevigny curate. But that hardly seems in keeping with the ATP agenda.

Gribbz
09-23-2010, 07:19 PM
Chloe Sevigny would be great.

Still-ill
09-23-2010, 07:27 PM
Fugazi is kind of due to come out of hiatus, now is as good a time as any. There has been a lot of great reunions the last couple years, that one would take the cake though.

fastmusicfan
09-23-2010, 07:37 PM
Actually, it's probably a little better time than the last few years. They're releasing recordings of almost every show that they ever did soon. It does somehow feel like the time is ripe. But I'm guessing that they would want everyone to have a chance to see them and the price of ATP doesn't really fit their $5 show/ $10 cd m.o., unfortunately. Please, please prove me wrong, though.

Still-ill
09-23-2010, 07:41 PM
That's very true, there has been stirring on that front. I don't need to see them at ATP though, they're allowed to play somewhere else. :)

fastmusicfan
09-23-2010, 07:47 PM
Absolutely. And if they play anywhere in the Southeast, I'll be seeing them for a sixth time.

Courtney
09-23-2010, 07:51 PM
But I'm guessing that they would want everyone to have a chance to see them and the price of ATP doesn't really fit their $5 show/ $10 cd m.o., unfortunately. Please, please prove me wrong, though.

That's a good point. And I'm afraid that the fact that ATP NY is not profitable would probably not be a good enough justification, either.

bmack86
09-23-2010, 07:56 PM
Actually, it's probably a little better time than the last few years. They're releasing recordings of almost every show that they ever did soon. It does somehow feel like the time is ripe. But I'm guessing that they would want everyone to have a chance to see them and the price of ATP doesn't really fit their $5 show/ $10 cd m.o., unfortunately. Please, please prove me wrong, though.

Well, I've heard talk that Coachella told Ian that they could sell a select number of tickets for 5 bucks through their website if Fugazi played, so maybe that's a possibility for ATP as well.

I bet it's still a few years. There were a few kids born to the band members, so I imagine they want to have the kids old enough to be able to understand that their dads are going to come back when they leave, maybe kindergarten age.

vinylmartyr
09-23-2010, 08:06 PM
Actually, it's probably a little better time than the last few years. They're releasing recordings of almost every show that they ever did soon. It does somehow feel like the time is ripe. But I'm guessing that they would want everyone to have a chance to see them and the price of ATP doesn't really fit their $5 show/ $10 cd m.o., unfortunately. Please, please prove me wrong, though.



Where did you hear this. I saw Fugazi in 1989 and I would love to have a recording?

fastmusicfan
09-23-2010, 08:06 PM
My favorite Ian quote, which may or may not have actually been spoken: Major label executive "We'll give you a million dollars and your own record label." Ian "I have a million dollars and my own record label."

I'm inclined to agree with you, Bmack, I think it will be a few years, too. The rumors are exciting enough to me to keep spreading, I guess. The lack of new Evens material and not a ton from the other members I think adds to the speculation.

bmack86
09-23-2010, 08:08 PM
Well the lack of new Evens material is in large part due to the fact that Amy and Ian had a kid, as far as I've heard.

Still-ill
09-23-2010, 08:08 PM
I think it's on their main website.

fastmusicfan
09-23-2010, 08:08 PM
Vinyl, it was on Pitchfork a month or two ago and on a couple other sites. I seem to remember the original news came from a Fugazi fan site that interviewed Guy. This news was definitely picked up by some other sites, too.

fastmusicfan
09-23-2010, 08:11 PM
Here's one link. http://pitchfork.com/news/39502-fugazi-prepare-live-recording-archive/

Courtney
09-23-2010, 08:38 PM
All this money talk has gotten me thinking about ways that ATP NY could become more profitable, without sacrificing the quality and experience. What do you all think? I'm not trying to say they should charge us all more, but I do want ATP NY to continue year after year after year, and I know logically that they have to turn a profit at some point to make that happen. My ideas:

1. Cut out extraneous services that no one uses like the Aesop Luxury Showers. I went down there twice, and it was awesome, but I was the only person in the place.

2. Practice price discrimination for lodging. Even though the tickets for the festival aren't selling out, the hotel rooms for Kutsher's are. They could offer several tiers of pricing for hotel rooms, and increase revenue that way.

3. Increase parking cost. It's $10 for Thursday through Monday, but I bet people would pay $20.

4. Offer more/better merch. I would love to see a line of ATP-branded t-shirts or posters beyond just the one design each year. I'm not really a comic book kind of girl, so I didn't get anything this year, but if they had brought in say Sonnenzimmer (http://sonnenzimmer.com/) to design something, I totally would have purchased.

5. Do a book club again (because it's awesome), but this time organize it further in advance, and make sure you are getting a percentage for the book sales. I hate to suggest Amazon.com with a referral code, because you know, it's not really in keeping with the spirit of the festival. But you can easily do the same thing with independent booksellers.

But even with all that stuff, I feel like it's really still small potatoes. I don't know what else ATP could be doing.

MrAmeche
09-23-2010, 08:55 PM
god no. i like the label, but they are so damn inconsistent.
This probably isn't the right thread for further discussion on this, but I feel a certain need to defend NNF. I mean, sure, they put out some iffy stuff but I'd certainly spend part of a day in a room (say, the one that housed the Ocropolis) with their core artists scheduled one after another: Wet Hair, Sun Araw, Pocahaunted, Heavy Winged, Robedoor, Magic Lantern, Inca Ore, etc.

fastmusicfan
09-23-2010, 08:57 PM
I like your ideas, Courtney. The tiered thing makes sense, I think. I would pay the same to stay in the Raleigh again, but would pay more to stay at Kutsher's. Not that I want to pay more, but, like you, I want this thing to continue and prosper.

I'd buy different merch, too. I waited too long and missed out on a xl event shirt and was bummed. I'd purchase an ATP branded shirt in addition to the event shirt next year.

We didn't pay anything to park at the Raleigh, by the way, and then used the shuttle, which certainly ran often enough for us.

I didn't have time to finish the Tesla book before the book club thing, but it was awesome. Absolutely need to announce books sooner.

Like I said, we didn't miss any of the previous years extras at the Raleigh- bar, etc.. My brother asked security if there was an ice machine somewhere and the guy said "What you're looking at here is a place to sleep." Kinda funny.

Not really a money thing but could the comedians do small sets between artists in the Ballroom? I kinda felt bad because I couldn't imagine who was seeing the comedians instead of the awesome band lineup Friday night. I saw Hannibal Burress when GZA changed times and that was cool.

I'm imagining that an improving? economy and the word spreading that this festival is ridiculously awesome will help with the profitability soon. I hope.

Courtney
09-23-2010, 09:13 PM
fastmusicfan, I also didn't finish either of the books. hahaa. I tried! I don't think I know anyone who successfully finished both.

I skipped all the comedians pretty much, and didn't feel the least bit guilty about it. I wonder what the turn-out was for those performances.

And yeah, I also wonder if hopefully the combination of an improving economy and gained traction for the festival will increase profitability. Presumably that's what Barry and Deborah are banking on.

Mr. Fuzz
09-23-2010, 09:56 PM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4110/5007626552_e0d1325f38_z.jpg

This place looks like a swingers club.

whiney
09-24-2010, 10:24 AM
honestly, yall, i think the promoters have been doing everything right—the venues, the merch, the lineups, the food, the set times, the curators...

i think the real problem to overcome is to combat spoiled/entitledness/jadedness of New Yorkers. So many dudes here don't really understand (or CARE) that ATP is a "getaway" event, that this is leagues above going to a gross beer-caked bar.

Because people dont really understand it, so many of my friends just snort, "I can see [insert bands] when they come through town." And don't really care that the SunnO))) show in Brooklyn was a hot, crowded, power-screwy clusterfuck. Or that watching the Stooges or Explosions In The Sky play in a field to 10,000 people is exponentially more uncomfortable than watching them in an intimate room with 2,500.

I honestly don't know the logistics/cost/etiquette of doing this, so it's essentially just wishful thinking. But if ATP could get more bands to do more exclusive performances, re: "ONLY NEW YORK SHOW", then you'd 100% start seeing more locals come out of the woodwork to make the trip.

bmack86
09-24-2010, 10:25 AM
New Yorkers are too busy with their taxis and their pizzas to care about badass festivals.

miscorrections
09-24-2010, 10:26 AM
But there's pizza at ATP! And taxis, if necessary!

dorkfish
09-24-2010, 10:35 AM
There's no subways at ATP, though.

AndyFaulkner
09-24-2010, 12:21 PM
4. Offer more/better merch. I would love to see a line of ATP-branded t-shirts or posters beyond just the one design each year. I'm not really a comic book kind of girl, so I didn't get anything this year, but if they had brought in say Sonnenzimmer (http://sonnenzimmer.com/) to design something, I totally would have purchased.



I was a bit disappointed in the cost of the prints. If I am not mistaken they were $60/each, and one different one for each night. In the past they were about $30 or so. I cannot imagine they sold a whole lot of them.

I know that every year, since the first, we have picked up several people that go along, and they become transfixed like I did the first year. It's kind of a grass roots indie festival, building by word of mouth. Hopefully ATP can be patient....

miscorrections
09-24-2010, 12:34 PM
I picked up the triptych with all three of the prints, but yeah it was $60.

chiapet
09-24-2010, 12:39 PM
Book club? luxury showers? I hate you bitches.

While I was cleaning last night, I found my ATP 08 wristbands under my bed. :/

Courtney
09-24-2010, 01:07 PM
This place looks like a swingers club.

Looks like?

Icemouse
09-25-2010, 12:07 AM
The prints were $60 and much nicer this year, but I prefer the style of other years. This year's shirt was infinitely better than last years, but the best shirt definitely goes to this year's criterion shirt. Awesome multi-color c on the front and criterion, ATP, and kutsher's on the back

I disagree entirely that Aesop was extraneous, I was there 2 or 3 times because our shower only had the hottest water possible. It was super refreshing and a really interesting addition.

Also @whiney, I'm fine with the people you're describing not making the trip out, tbqh

fastmusicfan
09-25-2010, 09:55 AM
Whiney, those are all good points. I don't live in NY, but I think you're probably on the money. But the people who have been there know the deal, and word will spread that the space is awesome, the 2500-3000 people that are there are, for the most part, cool and into the music/vibe.

I live in the South, and if you're not a musically obsessed blog reader, you wouldn't know it existed. I don't think that's a bad thing, maybe, but there's got to be a bunch of people across the country who would be down with going if they knew what it actually was. I took my brother, who I've drug to enough stuff that he knows it will be interesting/cool/ amazing, said "How the hell did you find out about this? It's awesome and we're coming next year." That being said, I think the artists, music mags and blogs do a good job of preaching the word, both before and after the event.

As for the "NY exclusive" thing, I'm torn. It definitely would draw more people, but I think Lolapolooza makes artists sign something that says they won't play Chicago a certain amount of time around the event and it pisses people off. I'd hate to be a huge fan of one of the bands and not be able to afford ATP. If the artists did something really special, say Sleep playing Holy Mountain only at ATP, and then played Dopesmoker and other stuff in NYC, I think you'd still get a fair amount of fans to travel. I certainly would hate to deny the artists any potential income, too.

I still wonder how close they came to selling out this year. One more big artist on Sunday probably would have sealed the deal. Of course, that means more overhead, and on and on.

wmgaretjax
09-25-2010, 10:05 AM
the problem with getting artists to sign a contract like that is they are ultimately giving you more than just a performance... and so probably deserve to be paid more... so it cuts into the budget generally to foster exclusivity.

fastmusicfan
09-25-2010, 10:14 AM
Well said.

jamie_atp
09-25-2010, 12:36 PM
some thoughts...

Aesop didn't give us any money and we didn't give them any money, and quite a few people did use them.

I don't think we'd ever want to tier price anything so that the wealthier get a better experience.

The merch doesn't make a big profit really and is always a risk as you have to pay a shitload up front so more designs = more risk.

I think the problem is indeed that to get people to the event we need to have it relatively near an urban centre, but then you run the risk of those people being (and I say this in the nicest way) a bit spoilt by living there so it's harder to get them out to it. But i think ATP NY has picked up more regulars year on year...

wmgaretjax
09-25-2010, 12:38 PM
ATPs transparency is really refreshing.

Courtney
09-25-2010, 12:59 PM
I live in the South, and if you're not a musically obsessed blog reader, you wouldn't know it existed.

I'm not so sure about this. ATP got a decent amount of press this year from fairly mainstream sources. NPR did several stories, and the Wall Street Journal did a nice piece. The New York Times did a couple pieces, including one that I know made it into their national edition because it got delivered onto my doorstep here in Hawaii. I even noticed a review in Modern Painters Magazine (random!).

And I'm working on a travel & lifestyle article to be newspaper syndicated and come out before next year's festival :)

Courtney
09-25-2010, 01:18 PM
some thoughts...

Aesop didn't give us any money and we didn't give them any money, and quite a few people did use them.

I don't think we'd ever want to tier price anything so that the wealthier get a better experience.

The merch doesn't make a big profit really and is always a risk as you have to pay a shitload up front so more designs = more risk.

I think the problem is indeed that to get people to the event we need to have it relatively near an urban centre, but then you run the risk of those people being (and I say this in the nicest way) a bit spoilt by living there so it's harder to get them out to it. But i think ATP NY has picked up more regulars year on year...

Jamie, you're wonderful. Thank you for replying. It's really interesting to hear the inside workings of festival math. And I agree with whiney who said that ATP is pretty much doing everything right.

For the tiered pricing, I didn't mean to necessarily have different quality of things. However, if you did tiered pricing, you could reward returning festival goers and early birds in addition to making more money overall. Say that the 4-person room normally goes for $600, and you have a quantity of 100 rooms available. Instead you could do:

Rooms #1-25 sold (returners only): $500
Rooms #26-50 sold: $575
Rooms #51-75 sold: $650
Rooms #76-100 sold: $725

The revenue from the old system was $60,000, but through tiered pricing you get $61,250, AND you have the opportunity to reward returning customers and early birds.

Mr. Fuzz
09-25-2010, 04:15 PM
I love the word extraneous. Also, it's going to be hard to beat this years line up. Does Television still play? It would be amazing to see them play Marquee Moon for a don't look back set.

knytt
09-25-2010, 04:20 PM
I love the word extraneous. Also, it's going to be hard to beat this years line up. Does Television still play? It would be amazing to see them play Marquee Moon for a don't look back set.

They don't play much, and very sporadically. I think they played ATP in England like 10 years ago. Either way, I would have to go if they played Marquee Moon.

Birds vs Worms
09-26-2010, 06:35 AM
i hate to be a downer but as most of you guys know, weeklymix, my girlfriend and i took a roadtrip to atp from texas. we convinced zack to it with a free tattoo(which turned out really great btw) and that we'd pay 2/3 of the gas. so on our way out of houston, zack asks if it's ok if we pay for gas on the way up and he'd pay for it on the way back. we agree because we'd save some money(extra money for merch) and we were going a little out of the way to visit some of my good friends in baltimore.

so atp is amazing and the weekend finally comes to an end and we meet zack in the lobby monday morning to leave and he starts explaining how he can't access his bank account and that it's a branch-specific problem that can't be sorted out over the phone. so we agree that i would pay for everything(gas, food and energy drinks for z) and that zack would hit me back up when i go to austin that friday to see sleep play again.

friday rolls around and the whole time i'm in austin, i get no response from texts or calls tom zack. sleep was awesome( sound wasn't as good as atp though) and we decide to head back. i get a text from zack the next day saying some lame excuse about how he got black out drunk or whatever. anyways, he says that he'll mail out a check the next day. still waiting for that one. he says he mailed it out but i'm calling bullshit.

about a week ago he says he'll paypal me and i still haven't received anything from him. chances are i probably won't be getting any of my money back. i don't really care too much about the money, i just thought i would let you guys know that zack sucks. i know some of you guys roomed with him and spent a good amount of time together at atp. did he pull any other shady shit with you guys? share your thoughts with me

Courtney
09-26-2010, 10:43 AM
i hate to be a downer but as most of you guys know, weeklymix, my girlfriend and i took a roadtrip to atp from texas. we convinced zack to it with a free tattoo(which turned out really great btw) and that we'd pay 2/3 of the gas. so on our way out of houston, zack asks if it's ok if we pay for gas on the way up and he'd pay for it on the way back. we agree because we'd save some money(extra money for merch) and we were going a little out of the way to visit some of my good friends in baltimore.

so atp is amazing and the weekend finally comes to an end and we meet zack in the lobby monday morning to leave and he starts explaining how he can't access his bank account and that it's a branch-specific problem that can't be sorted out over the phone. so we agree that i would pay for everything(gas, food and energy drinks for z) and that zack would hit me back up when i go to austin that friday to see sleep play again.

friday rolls around and the whole time i'm in austin, i get no response from texts or calls tom zack. sleep was awesome( sound wasn't as good as atp though) and we decide to head back. i get a text from zack the next day saying some lame excuse about how he got black out drunk or whatever. anyways, he says that he'll mail out a check the next day. still waiting for that one. he says he mailed it out but i'm calling bullshit.

about a week ago he says he'll paypal me and i still haven't received anything from him. chances are i probably won't be getting any of my money back. i don't really care too much about the money, i just thought i would let you guys know that zack sucks. i know some of you guys roomed with him and spent a good amount of time together at atp. did he pull any other shady shit with you guys? share your thoughts with me

No, he did not pull any "shady shit." I'm going to wait and let him respond to this one before I comment further.

:nono

bmack86
09-26-2010, 10:44 AM
Yup, Zack was a gentleman and a scholar the whole time.

miscorrections
09-26-2010, 11:43 AM
Putting that out on a public message board is the opposite of classy. Zack's not a shitty person, so if I were you I'd evaluate what I did to make things problematic.

miscorrections
09-26-2010, 11:44 AM
Like, did either of you ever take the wheel there or back? Because if not I think that's more than a fair trade, and shitty of you to boot.

bmack86
09-26-2010, 11:56 AM
Yup, I wasn't gonna mention that, but driving is a major part of a road trip.

whiney
09-26-2010, 12:36 PM
you guys are seriously defending that its fair for someone to pay for 3-4 days worth of someone's food/drinks/gas because they drove a car?

minogueCOMMAk
09-26-2010, 12:49 PM
Posting this issue on a public message board is ridiculous.

Birds vs Worms
09-26-2010, 01:48 PM
Like, did either of you ever take the wheel there or back? Because if not I think that's more than a fair trade, and shitty of you to boot.

as much as we both insisted on giving zack a break with driving duties, neither of us took the wheel on the whole trip. his stubbornness to do the whole drive was a little worrisome to me, kinda unsafe to be up that long and be driving. anyways, he handled it like a champ though.


Putting that out on a public message board is the opposite of classy.

i know it's not classy to put his shit on blast here but the dude won't answer my calls or reply to my texts or emails. i'm probably not getting my money back so why not call him out here.


if I were you I'd evaluate what I did to make things problematic

this i don't understand.

miscorrections
09-26-2010, 02:13 PM
Because most of us are friends with him, and we a) don't have anything to say to make you feel better and b) think shit should generally be handled privately even if you can't get in touch.

rage patton
09-26-2010, 02:31 PM
Zack called me up Thursday of Coachella this year saying he was having issues with the place he was staying at for Coachella, and asked if I had a place for him and his girlfriend to crash. I did, so I let him and his lady friend stay with us. He then insisted to pay us for letting them stay, but because I got the place for free, I insisted he couldn't. So he snuck out that night, stocked our fridge full of groceries and bought us beer. He caused no problems and he was a blast to hang out with all weekend.

I cannot comment on what happened to you bird vs worms, and I believe only Zack can. I am just letting you know, in my experience, Zack is an all around awesome guy.

vinylmartyr
09-26-2010, 02:45 PM
I'm not friends with Zack. If he did not pay after trying contact him several times I would have no problem putting him on blast here. With that said I probably would not do it and just chalk it up to him being a dirtbag.

rskapcat
09-26-2010, 02:54 PM
Jamie, you're wonderful. Thank you for replying. It's really interesting to hear the inside workings of festival math. And I agree with whiney who said that ATP is pretty much doing everything right.

For the tiered pricing, I didn't mean to necessarily have different quality of things. However, if you did tiered pricing, you could reward returning festival goers and early birds in addition to making more money overall. Say that the 4-person room normally goes for $600, and you have a quantity of 100 rooms available. Instead you could do:

Rooms #1-25 sold (returners only): $500
Rooms #26-50 sold: $575
Rooms #51-75 sold: $650
Rooms #76-100 sold: $725

The revenue from the old system was $60,000, but through tiered pricing you get $61,250, AND you have the opportunity to reward returning customers and early birds.

Courtney, I had to send an extra payment to get a bigger room this year after I paid for a smaller one. That means they sold out of the 5 berth rooms in the time it took me to send my payment after receiving my confirmation email. And I jumped on rooms the second I got the email saying they were available. I'd rather not be forced to pay a higher price for the exact same room just because my request happened to be number 26, you know?

rskapcat
09-26-2010, 03:19 PM
I guess I just approach money stuff differently than others. If I pay for something for someone, I do it with the understanding that I may never see that money again. It's a little different when it's a sale of goods; I just wouldn't give the person what they were buying until they paid me. But in a situation like BvW's, I would just write the person off as a flake & not help them again if the situation wasn't resolved in the way I wanted. Lesson learned...move on.

Drinkey McDrinkerstein
09-26-2010, 03:36 PM
Because Zack is a cool guy that a lot of people know, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I don't have a problem with Birds Vs Worms taking issue here, since this is where he met Zack, and Zack isn't answering his emails/calls. I'm sure/I hope there is a good explanation for the issue.

weeklymix
09-26-2010, 03:47 PM
There was a lot of stuff here but, eh. This is being taken care of.

mountmccabe
09-26-2010, 05:22 PM
Courtney, I had to send an extra payment to get a bigger room this year after I paid for a smaller one. That means they sold out of the 5 berth rooms in the time it took me to send my payment after receiving my confirmation email. And I jumped on rooms the second I got the email saying they were available. I'd rather not be forced to pay a higher price for the exact same room just because my request happened to be number 26, you know?

I agree with Becca; it seems like the plan would net a small amount of extra money but would cause considerable frustration for the customers purchasing the rooms.

Icemouse
09-26-2010, 07:09 PM
I agree with Becca; it seems like the plan would net a small amount of extra money but would cause considerable frustration for the customers purchasing the rooms.
ATP gets an extra $1,000, people who are late to purchase lose $250 each. I too disagree with this plan.. Even though I bought ASAP, I still find it unfair that people who can't commit immediately would have to cover costs for other people with little gain for ATP in the end

fastmusicfan
09-27-2010, 03:25 PM
Anybody know if Pitchfork filmed anything at ATP this year?

Birds vs Worms
09-27-2010, 03:55 PM
i was talking to gustav from dungen and he was so so excited about seeing cool herc and the gza. he said he brought his turntables with him and i think he mentioned that he filmed something with that in one of the rooms. don't know if it was for pitchfork or not.

fastmusicfan
09-27-2010, 05:57 PM
I enjoyed the room tapings last year especially the Melvins. I don't remember how long after ATP they were on Pfork, though.

fastmusicfan
10-05-2010, 05:07 PM
Albini interview recorded at Kutsher's in which he talks about ATP and other Albiniesque stuff. http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-q/2010/09/steve-albini.html

fastmusicfan
10-19-2010, 08:02 PM
I added to my ATP 2010 flickr account. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tecartmel/sets/72157624920812968/

Courtney
10-19-2010, 08:29 PM
I added to my ATP 2010 flickr account. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tecartmel/sets/72157624920812968/

Fantastic. Especially this one:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1419/5098013109_6172ba0992_z.jpg

And this one makes me want to get there a day early and go explore the Raleigh next year:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4145/4975235745_849db1c5d0_z.jpg

fastmusicfan
10-19-2010, 08:39 PM
Thank you Courtney, though I'm humbled by your skills with a camera. My current approach is have my point and shoot with me and keep pushing the button. Works sometimes, though.

artex
10-25-2010, 10:33 AM
so... is this going to happen again or no?

TallGuyCM
10-25-2010, 10:43 AM
Because we'd know for sure by now.

fastmusicfan
10-25-2010, 04:53 PM
Kinda looks like tickets went on sale late November last year. Man, a Jamie post would really come in handy here.

Courtney
10-25-2010, 06:51 PM
New idea: Lydia Lunch curating.

She has collaborated with Thurston/Kim/Sonic Youth, Nick Cave/Rowland S. Howard/The Birthday Party, Marc Almond (of Soft Cell), Steven Severin (of Siouxsie and the Banshees), Michael Gira, and Brian Eno. Sounds good to me.

fastmusicfan
10-25-2010, 07:02 PM
That scares me a little. In a good way.

Courtney
10-25-2010, 07:23 PM
It would be AWESOME. Her ethos seems like it would fit really well with the ATP aesthetic. Only, you know, more boobs.

fastmusicfan
10-25-2010, 07:45 PM
You're totally right, but first I just want to know that this festival is happening.

Icemouse
10-25-2010, 09:14 PM
The May ATP gets announced this wednesday


in other words, i'm not getting my hopes up until after christmas time

fastmusicfan
10-25-2010, 09:22 PM
I was thinking the same thing until I looked up when ATP NY was announced last year. I hope it's after Christmas financially, though.

Icemouse
10-26-2010, 07:13 AM
I suppose ATP may is only a few weeks late in announcement, might be sooner than expected.. pavement having been announced on oct 7. i'd prefer a slightly later announcement personally, agreeing that if it came out maybe mid january or early february that'd be nice... having said that i'm not quite patient enough to stand by that statement

Icemouse
10-26-2010, 08:26 PM
Also not sure what it's worth but I inquired if there would be a US atp membership which included NY tickets. They said it isn't planned but it's possible - which is a much better response than "there won't be another ATP NY"

Birds vs Worms
10-27-2010, 09:51 AM
for how much did the smallest rooms at kutshers' go for last year?

dorkfish
10-27-2010, 09:53 AM
3 Berth Room: $508.50 + paypal fee = $530
4 Berth Room: $678 + paypal fee = $710
5 Berth Room: $847.50 + paypal fee = $885
6 Berth Room: $1017 + paypal fee = $1060
7 Berth Room: $1185.50 + paypal fee = $1235

Birds vs Worms
10-27-2010, 10:03 AM
thanks man

last year there were 9 of us in a 7 berth. it worked out fine and everything but it was tad crowded. next time it's gonna be 3 of us in a 3 berth. and i'll flying this time.

miscorrections
10-27-2010, 10:05 AM
5 in a 6 berth worked out nicely in terms of space, although I would've much rather had the original 6. Sigh.

dorkfish
10-27-2010, 10:07 AM
yeah....

miscorrections
10-27-2010, 10:09 AM
Unless you too would have strewn fake hair all over the bathroom. In which case no one wins.

mountmccabe
10-27-2010, 06:15 PM
Sigh.

Ugh. Sorry, again.

bmack86
10-27-2010, 07:13 PM
Ahahaha. I had forgotten about our roommate switch-up.