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kroqken
11-17-2009, 04:09 PM
MySpace is rumored to soon charge to play music on profiles. It would no longer be free according to Businessweek magazine. Here is the link. I hope this is a false rumor. http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/nov2009/tc20091116_706878.htm

djandrews25
11-17-2009, 04:13 PM
How will this affect your dating life ken?

kroqken
11-17-2009, 04:16 PM
How will this affect your dating life ken?

It will effect my music life. I go on MySpace for music and bands. I meet more girls in person.

djandrews25
11-17-2009, 04:20 PM
How many more?

kroqken
11-17-2009, 04:21 PM
i'm guessing it is the bands posting the music that will have to pay, not the fans who want to check it out.

I love being able to have a playlist of up to 10 songs for free on my page and I hope that does not change. The Businessweek article eludes to the fact that residuals MySpace pays to the bands is about $20 million a month.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 04:22 PM
How many more?

At least one more than on online.

Dr. Lufs-al-ot
11-17-2009, 04:27 PM
oh no! now how will the 13 yr old hoochies let everyone know they get low-low-low in their apple bottom jeans and boots with the fur?!

malcolmjamalawesome
11-17-2009, 04:29 PM
I like that the article identifies MySpace as an antiquated piece of shit.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 04:34 PM
I like that the article identifies MySpace as an antiquated piece of shit.

How so? Can you be a little bit more specific?

malcolmjamalawesome
11-17-2009, 04:36 PM
Well, for starters, these quotes:

MySpace is so far behind in terms of user interface and experience that it's hard to imagine the company launching a compelling paid product.

MySpace, however, isn't seen as a premium provider of anything—and MySpace Music is viewed as a place where clutter and advertising are tolerated in order to get something for free.

nd for a company that has already admitted it has long stopped innovating, MySpace would have to overtake more nimble competitors to draw users to a paid music service while overcoming the perception that it's a messy-but-free one.

CalmerThanYou
11-17-2009, 04:40 PM
Here Here

kroqken
11-17-2009, 04:47 PM
Well, for starters, these quotes:

MySpace is so far behind in terms of user interface and experience that it's hard to imagine the company launching a compelling paid product.

MySpace, however, isn't seen as a premium provider of anything—and MySpace Music is viewed as a place where clutter and advertising are tolerated in order to get something for free.

nd for a company that has already admitted it has long stopped innovating, MySpace would have to overtake more nimble competitors to draw users to a paid music service while overcoming the perception that it's a messy-but-free one.

I just think MySpace is still doing well on the innovation front. They made some deal with Twitter. I wonder if Google will renew its deal with MySpace when it expires next year.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 04:57 PM
Now that I think about it, sicne MySpace is emphasizing itself as an entertainment site rather than the top site for friends, maybe it will keep the music free. It did quietly drop the "Place for friends" tag some months back.

PassiveTheory
11-17-2009, 05:05 PM
I hope they start charging each user per how many friends they have. Poor Ken wouldn't know what to do with himself.

menikmati
11-17-2009, 05:06 PM
There is no innovation going on at MySpace. It's just a spam infested mess.

CalmerThanYou
11-17-2009, 05:07 PM
Myspace is doing for innovation what the Nazi's did for PLUR

kroqken
11-17-2009, 05:10 PM
There is no innovation going on at MySpace. It's just a spam infested mess.

What SPECIFIC innovations could be done to improve or "save" MySpace? That book "Stealing MySpace" by Julia Angwin has a lot of intersting behind the scene stories of how MySpace emerged and evolved over time.

menikmati
11-17-2009, 05:11 PM
Nothing can be done, except for the servers being turned off.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 05:15 PM
Nothing can be done, except for the servers being turned off.

Instead of quitting, people should try innovating. It is never too late to improve. Even Jimmy Carter improved his reputation AFTER he was president. Remember folks, at one time, MySpace was ahead of its time and made Friendster practically vanish.

Monklish
11-17-2009, 05:15 PM
The entire site would have to be redesigned. Either way, the best they could do at the moment would be to try to bite Facebook's model even more than they already have been forced to in the past couple years.

dorkfish
11-17-2009, 05:16 PM
http://www.inquisitr.com/27998/myspace-now-a-digital-ghetto/

kroqken
11-17-2009, 05:21 PM
The entire site would have to be redesigned. Either way, the best they could do at the moment would be to try to bite Facebook's model even more than they already have been forced to in the past couple years.

MySpace should not try to steal ideas from Facebook. It should try to be original and have its own unique niche.

dorkfish
11-17-2009, 05:23 PM
And how do you suggest they go about that?

kroqken
11-17-2009, 05:23 PM
http://www.inquisitr.com/27998/myspace-now-a-digital-ghetto/

This article compares MySpace to "white flight" and being a ghetto. I do not agree, many non-racial minorities are still on MySpace. It is going strong and has tens of millions of people logging on there every day and its comscore rating is still decent.

CalmerThanYou
11-17-2009, 05:25 PM
Working in online advertising and dealing with both Facebook and Myspace, i can say from a revenue/quality perspective myspace is seriously fucked. not only does their traffic continue to wither, but they inventory is SHIT.

bitch all you want about online advertising, but quality traffic = more revenue = better site.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 05:25 PM
And how do you suggest they go about that?

Keep the social networking thing going, but make it faster and find a way to integrate the entertainment industry more with the site, not just bands. Fox/Rupert Murdock owns MySpace so they may have some tricks oup their sleeve. Maybe MySpace should rehire Chris DeWolfe, its founder. The ads should be placed in a less annoying manner.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 05:26 PM
Working in online advertising and dealing with both Facebook and Myspace, i can say from a revenue/quality perspective myspace is seriously fucked. not only does their traffic continue to wither, but they inventory is SHIT.

bitch all you want about online advertising, but quality traffic = more revenue = better site.

Can you explain what you mean by their "inventory"?

crazzz2007
11-17-2009, 05:26 PM
And how do you suggest they go about that?

MySpacePorn®

CalmerThanYou
11-17-2009, 05:27 PM
inventory = ad inventory

when it performs better (clicks and conversions (people interacting)), we pay more thus they get more revenue in the door.

The reason you see bad ads on myspace is because the traffic is bad. quality ads = quality site.

menikmati
11-17-2009, 05:29 PM
Taken directly from ken's page, this is what myspace has turned into:

http://i45.tinypic.com/2dce681.jpg

kroqken
11-17-2009, 05:29 PM
MySpace should do more focus groups and community outreach to find out why people are upset with it and then spend the money on research and development in order to improve it.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 05:31 PM
Taken directly from ken's page, this is what myspace has turned into:

http://i45.tinypic.com/2dce681.jpg

Yeah, one problem is that real people rarely leave comments anymore. Many of the comments are from robots (or "bots") Maybe if MySpace can address the issue with "bots" it would make a huge difference.

menikmati
11-17-2009, 05:31 PM
Everyone who left myspace went to Facebook and Twitter and are satisfied, no matter what MySpace would do, they aren't going to go back.

chairmenmeow47
11-17-2009, 05:41 PM
i have a hard time believing that advertising will be an effective source of income for businesses in the 21st century. look at television. who pays for TV anymore? and the only channels that seem to be putting out anything relevant tend to be the pay channels.

and advertisements can only be so quality. i don't care how nice of a viagra advertisement you make, there is absolutely no way on earth it will ever compel me to buy your product simply because i can't use it. not to mention that we as a society have become more savvy to advertising in general and also have more tools to tune out advertising, such as the fast forward button or sub-consciously ignoring the right-hand sides of webpages.

unless the industry evolves and manages to be successful with innovations, such as bloggers writing for products which seems to be somewhat working, we're going to need a new way to pay for shit.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 05:42 PM
Everyone who left myspace went to Facebook and Twitter and are satisfied, no matter what MySpace would do, they aren't going to go back.

They could come back if they had a reason to come back. Most former MySpacers did not officially delete their acocunts, they just have not logged in for a while.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 05:44 PM
i have a hard time believing that advertising will be an effective source of income for businesses in the 21st century. look at television. who pays for TV anymore? and the only channels that seem to be putting out anything relevant tend to be the pay channels.

and advertisements can only be so quality. i don't care how nice of a viagra advertisement you make, there is absolutely no way on earth it will ever compel me to buy your product simply because i can't use it. not to mention that we as a society have become more savvy to advertising in general and also have more tools to tune out advertising, such as the fast forward button or sub-consciously ignoring the right-hand sides of webpages.

unless the industry evolves and manages to be successful with innovations, such as bloggers writing for products which seems to be somewhat working, we're going to need a new way to pay for shit.

Semiotics plays a role in the effectiveness of advertising. Some ads for bands on MySpace have helped me find out about upcoming concerts.

CalmerThanYou
11-17-2009, 05:46 PM
i have a hard time believing that advertising will be an effective source of income for businesses in the 21st century. look at television. who pays for TV anymore? and the only channels that seem to be putting out anything relevant tend to be the pay channels.

and advertisements can only be so quality. i don't care how nice of a viagra advertisement you make, there is absolutely no way on earth it will ever compel me to buy your product simply because i can't use it. not to mention that we as a society have become more savvy to advertising in general and also have more tools to tune out advertising, such as the fast forward button or sub-consciously ignoring the right-hand sides of webpages.

unless the industry evolves and manages to be successful with innovations, such as bloggers writing for products which seems to be somewhat working, we're going to need a new way to pay for shit.

If you don't think that advertising pays for nearly everything you see on the net you are clearly mistaken.

The online advertising industry has been, and will continue to grow at a staggering rate (post bubble burst in the early 2000's).

You don't need to buy anything from them, its the brand awareness that matters. Also, its the fuel behind nearly all content on the web. How else do you think nearly every website stays afloat, charity?

kroqken
11-17-2009, 05:50 PM
If you don't think that advertising pays for nearly everything you see on the net you are clearly mistaken.

The online advertising industry has been, and will continue to grow at a staggering rate (post bubble burst in the early 2000's).

You don't need to buy anything from them, its the brand awareness that matters. Also, its the fuel behind nearly all content on the web. How else do you think nearly every website stays afloat, charity?

I agree but is it a good thing? It is realistic for capitalism.

chairmenmeow47
11-17-2009, 05:54 PM
i didn't say it isn't paying for things now. i said i have a hard time believing that advertising will be an effective source of income in the 21st century. we're only 9 years in. i have a hard time believing this model is sustainable. how many websites are actually turning a nominal profit? i'm genuinely curious. i'm sure it's easy for user based content sites to stay afloat, but what about sites that are trying to offer content such as news? how many of these sites stay in business for more than 5 years? how many have to shift to other models of payment (example: paid member on sites like fark that offer you services like an ignore feature)? how many are able to continue to rely heavy on advertising?

it may be working for the internet, but it's not working for television or printed publications for the most part these days like it used to which makes me wonder if it's merely the change in media or if it's a change in society.

dorkfish
11-17-2009, 05:55 PM
I agree but is it a good thing? It is realistic for capitalism.
You must be used to seeing commercials on television and billboards about town. Annoying and unsightly, at times, they're not that big of a hindrance on your daily life.

rage patton
11-17-2009, 05:55 PM
I am too lazy to read the article, but from what I gather here, MySpace is going to start charging artists to post their songs on-line. Well, if that is the case, shouldn't the artists' begin to recieve ad revenue?

malcolmjamalawesome
11-17-2009, 05:59 PM
Just read the article. It pretty much says MySpace and ken are both pieces of shit.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 06:08 PM
Neither I mor MySpace are shit (piece or entirety). Being flawed does not equate throwing out the baby with the basthwater. I am salvageable, as is MySpace.

CalmerThanYou
11-17-2009, 06:11 PM
i didn't say it isn't paying for things now. i said i have a hard time believing that advertising will be an effective source of income in the 21st century. we're only 9 years in. i have a hard time believing this model is sustainable. how many websites are actually turning a nominal profit? i'm genuinely curious. i'm sure it's easy for user based content sites to stay afloat, but what about sites that are trying to offer content such as news? how many of these sites stay in business for more than 5 years? how many have to shift to other models of payment (example: paid member on sites like fark that offer you services like an ignore feature)? how many are able to continue to rely heavy on advertising?

it may be working for the internet, but it's not working for television or printed publications for the most part these days like it used to which makes me wonder if it's merely the change in media or if it's a change in society.

Nearly all commercial websites turn a huge profit from their advertising, everyone from (DrudgeReport to Hotmail to ESPN.com, EVERY news site included). This is why newspapers aren't staying afloat. No one reads them, thus advertisers stopped paying for them, thus they died. Everyone turned to online, thus advertisers pay for where the audience is.

The reason it's working for the internet is because no one watches ads on TV or reads newspapers/magazines anymore as you had mentioned. Advertisers are able to quantify with near accuracy the audience they are able to hit online as compared to the traditional means thus they are shifting a majority of their advertising budgets to online.

Our company will do nearly $175M in revenue this year (we're floating in the top 10 of our industry).

Online advertising this year alone will do nearly 25 billion in revenue and will continue to grow.

This is what is keeping your websites afloat and will continue to do so. Who wants to pay for every single site they frequent?

kroqken
11-17-2009, 06:13 PM
Nearly all commercial websites turn a huge profit from their advertising, everyone from (DrudgeReport to Hotmail to ESPN.com, EVERY news site included). This is why newspapers aren't staying afloat. No one reads them, thus advertisers stopped paying for them, thus they died. Everyone turned to online, thus advertisers pay for where the audience is.

The reason it's working for the internet is because no one watches ads on TV or reads newspapers/magazines anymore as you had mentioned. Advertisers are able to quantify with near accuracy the audience they are able to hit online as compared to the traditional means thus they are shifting a majority of their advertising budgets to online.

Our company will do nearly $175M in revenue this year (we're floating in the top 10 of our industry).

Online advertising this year alone will do nearly 25 billion in revenue.

This is what is keeping your websites afloat and will continue to do so. Who wants to pay for every single site they frequent?

MySpace could not exist without advertising, especially since it is free for users.

CalmerThanYou
11-17-2009, 06:14 PM
Yes, the same goes for social networking sites/user content sites.

Youtube, Myspace, Facebook, everyone.

invisiblerobots
11-17-2009, 06:15 PM
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Jadesmethod/myspacesucks.jpg

kroqken
11-17-2009, 06:17 PM
Nearly all commercial websites turn a huge profit from their advertising, everyone from (DrudgeReport to Hotmail to ESPN.com, EVERY news site included). This is why newspapers aren't staying afloat. No one reads them, thus advertisers stopped paying for them, thus they died. Everyone turned to online, thus advertisers pay for where the audience is.

The reason it's working for the internet is because no one watches ads on TV or reads newspapers/magazines anymore as you had mentioned. Advertisers are able to quantify with near accuracy the audience they are able to hit online as compared to the traditional means thus they are shifting a majority of their advertising budgets to online.

Our company will do nearly $175M in revenue this year (we're floating in the top 10 of our industry).

Online advertising this year alone will do nearly 25 billion in revenue and will continue to grow.

This is what is keeping your websites afloat and will continue to do so. Who wants to pay for every single site they frequent?

Have you read Marshall McLuhan's groundbreaking work on how media operates and how advertising effects the readers and viewers? He was WAY ahead of his time.

Monklish
11-17-2009, 06:20 PM
I did a lot of research into what makes social networking sites profitable and popular a few years back and in the course of it actually designed what I still maintain would be a fucking brilliant SN site specifically catering strictly to music and concert enthusiasts. It would have had a great chance at turning a serious profit if my shithead boss hadn't ignored me. What myspace should really do is take that kind of turn, more or less divorce itself from purely social aspects because facebook is essentially owning that market, and turn into a purely entertainment based portal for people to focus on music and movies. The only arena they're dominating is the music side of things. They need to abandon their previous purpose and develop a laser-like precision in providing all possible amenities to music fans.

Bud Luster
11-17-2009, 06:23 PM
look at television. who pays for TV anymore?

Im not sure what you mean by this statement. Most everyone still pays for TV. millions and millions and millions of people.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 06:24 PM
I did a lot of research into what makes social networking sites profitable and popular a few years back and in the course of it actually designed what I still maintain would be a fucking brilliant SN site specifically catering strictly to music and concert enthusiasts. It would have had a great chance at turning a serious profit if my shithead boss hadn't ignored me. What myspace should really do is take that kind of turn, more or less divorce itself from purely social aspects because facebook is essentially owning that market, and turn into a purely entertainment based portal for people to focus on music and movies. The only arena they're dominating is the music side of things. They need to abandon their previous purpose and develop a laser-like precision in providing all possible amenities to music fans.

This is the best response in this thread so far. It may be a good idea, but I still would want to maintain my "social page" even if it became a mainly music/entertainment site.

CalmerThanYou
11-17-2009, 06:24 PM
Randy, for once, i absolutely agree with you 100%.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 06:25 PM
MySpace is still more music friendly than any other social networking site in existence, major or minor, and I include the "dark horse" LastFM site.

Monklish
11-17-2009, 06:29 PM
Dude, if I'd just had access to a little bit of venture capital, the plan I had for that website seriously could have gone huge. It was a stroke of genius if I do say so myself. I curse that boss every day for not listening to me as I see one after another SN site pop up trying to do a half-assed job of what I had planned. The music industry would have loved it, the fans would have loved it... it would have been like this board integrated with searchable and categorized video, pictures, and feedback on music and concerts split into venues, bands, cities, and also tied into Ticketmaster's listings of upcoming shows to provide users with updates on upcoming shows in their area with direct linking to onsales... fuck it, I don't even want to talk about it.

CalmerThanYou
11-17-2009, 06:32 PM
Why don't you put a solid proposal together? The world still needs a perfect music social networking site...

chairmenmeow47
11-17-2009, 06:32 PM
Im not sure what you mean by this statement. Most everyone still pays for TV. millions and millions and millions of people.

true, i meant more people YOU know. how many of your friends use sites like hulloo (sp?) or torrents or whatever opposed to actually paying for cables? how many people on this message board pay for television? also, facebook wasn't even profitable until last year and twitter has yet to be profitable. twitter seems to make it's money off the believability that it will be worth something someday. which it may very well do, i just wonder for how long? we don't see many of these sites evolve into something new and better, but rather just go by the wayside. and what happens as more and more of us are accessing online content on mobile devices and hardly seeing advertisements at all?

i'm not arguing that it's not working for the internet today, but simply that i wonder how it will be sustainable in the long-term as-is. that's all.

CalmerThanYou
11-17-2009, 06:34 PM
I'm not arguing with you either Ivy, just sharing some info. :)

And also, we on the boards and people that use hullu/torrents are a VERY small percentage of the media consuming society. Also, just wait to see how much mobile advertising blows up. no matter how you cut it, you have to pay to play in one form or another.

boarderwoozel3
11-17-2009, 06:34 PM
Have you read Marshall McLuhan's groundbreaking work on how media operates and how advertising effects the readers and viewers? He was WAY ahead of his time.

The media is the message, ken. The media.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 06:34 PM
Dude, if I'd just had access to a little bit of venture capital, the plan I had for that website seriously could have gone huge. It was a stroke of genius if I do say so myself. I curse that boss every day for not listening to me as I see one after another SN site pop up trying to do a half-assed job of what I had planned. The music industry would have loved it, the fans would have loved it... it would have been like this board integrated with searchable and categorized video, pictures, and feedback on music and concerts split into venues, bands, cities, and also tied into Ticketmaster's listings of upcoming shows to provide users with updates on upcoming shows in their area with direct linking to onsales... fuck it, I don't even want to talk about it.

It is a good idea, and it should also include the less evil Live Nation, not just Ticketmaster, as well as Ticketweb.

Monklish
11-17-2009, 06:35 PM
Why don't you put a solid proposal together? The world still needs a perfect music social networking site...

I talked to someone about this once and they explained that I needed to do a (forget the actual terminology) but basically blueprint of the site. How it would be laid out from a design perspective. I don't know how to do that shit as I'm not a web designer and then I just lost interest and gave up. The best I can do is explain all the details of it in written form. If you think you can find investors, let me know and I'll give you the full run down.

dorkfish
11-17-2009, 06:35 PM
MySpace is still more music friendly than any other social networking site in existence, major or minor, and I include the "dark horse" LastFM site.
Pretty sure that a website that CBS bought for nearly $300 million is far from a dark horse.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 06:37 PM
The media is the message, ken. The media.

Marshall McLuhan is THE MAN! Why do so few Americans know about him. Way ahead of his time.

CalmerThanYou
11-17-2009, 06:37 PM
I don't think that's true at all, it's just like any other business proposal. You don't need EVERY nut and bolt covered, you just need a good idea and vision. Web designers and engineers are in charge of putting it together. you're smart, you could map out an bullet point everything that's necessary in order to get your vision across.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 06:38 PM
Pretty sure that a website that CBS bought for nearly $300 million is far from a dark horse.

LastFm may have a rich owner but lacks "buzz". bands stil talk about their MySpace page, not their lastfm page.

boarderwoozel3
11-17-2009, 06:39 PM
I'm pretty sure Facebook has been profitable for over a year. Mark Zuckerburg, it's founder, turned down a $1 Billion offer from Yahoo in 2006.

Monklish
11-17-2009, 06:40 PM
I'm an idea man, goddammit.

http://cuppacafe.com/images/blogimages/image5/hudsucker-proxy-300x193.jpg

I still wouldn't have even a remote clue who to send it to.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 06:41 PM
I'm pretty sure Facebook has been profitable for over a year. Mark Zuckerburg, it's founder, turned down a $1 Billion offer from Yahoo in 2006.

There is a movie about to be filmed about Facebook and Zuckerberg in particular. An unahthorized book about him is called Accidental Billionaire.

Monklish
11-17-2009, 06:41 PM
LastFm may have a rich owner but lacks "buzz". bands stil talk about their MySpace page, not their lastfm page.

Ken, you don't get it. The reason Myspace took the lead in music isn't because it's better designed for music but because it had a massively larger viewership. lastFM is probably a better vehicle for actual music fandom, but bands aren't going to make it their focus when they have 1/10th or less the members that myspace does.

Monklish
11-17-2009, 06:42 PM
There is a movie about to be filmed about Facebook and Zuckerberg in particular. An unahthorized book about him is called Accidental Billionaire.

THAT'S FUCKING FASCINATING, KEN

Archie Bunker
11-17-2009, 06:42 PM
Myspace shit the bed when they allowed free HTML usage on their pages.

That opened the door to spam, clutter, and everything else that made everyone hate Myspace.

It was (and is still) very buggy, as well.

Facebook designed everything in a cleaner, easier, more controlled manner, and people flocked over there.

Myspace is trash. F it.

boarderwoozel3
11-17-2009, 06:43 PM
Marshall McLuhan is THE MAN! Why do so few Americans know about him. Way ahead of his time.

Agreed. Even though he was talking about TV it's a trip to see how well his ideas apply to the internet.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 06:45 PM
Myspace shit the bed when they allowed free HTML usage on their pages.

That opened the door to spam, clutter, and everything else that made everyone hate Myspace.

It was (and is still) very buggy, as well.

Facebook designed everything in a cleaner, easier, more controlled manner, and people flocked over there.

Myspace is trash. F it.

What do you mean by free HTML on their pages? A lot of MySpace users prefer it to Facebook because tyhey can design their own page and pick backgrounds and play music on their pages. Not true for Facebook. Myspace does not limit how many friends a person can acquire, but Facebook limits people to 5,000 friends. There are higher limits for "fans" but fans are not the same as "friends" in the social networking world.

DruggyFestivalGuy
11-17-2009, 06:45 PM
LastFm may have a rich owner but lacks "buzz". bands stil talk about their MySpace page, not their lastfm page.

MySpace sucks, bitch.

DruggyFestivalGuy
11-17-2009, 06:46 PM
What do you mean by free HTML on their pages? A lot of MySpace users prefer it to Facebook because tyhey can design their own page and pick backgrounds and play music on their pages. Not true for Facebook. Myspace does not limit how many friends a person can acquire, but Facebook limits people to 5,000 friends. There are higher limits for "fans" but fans are not the same as "friends" in the social networking world.

Only an obsessive-compulsive freak needs that many online friends. Get some real friends, bitch.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 06:46 PM
Agreed. Even though he was talking about TV it's a trip to see how well his ideas apply to the internet.

McLuhan's ideas are relevant for any mass media form, and I would include the internet in that. McLuhan would be horrified by today's media environment.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 06:48 PM
Only an obsessive-compulsive freak needs that many online friends. Get some real friends, bitch.

Do you end every post with "bitch"? Use a thesaurus next time. You know, that large reptile that lived millions of years ago AND had a big vocabulary.

Monklish
11-17-2009, 06:49 PM
the other HTML fail of myspace was allowing it in the comments section and not regulating spam. It's just ridiculous. At least if you go to a band's facebook site you see people for the most part posting about the band. If you go to their myspace site you just see endless ugly stupid embedded jpgs and gifs that have nothing to do with the band, but rather people promoting their own crap.

"THX FOR THE ADD!!!!1!"

kroqken
11-17-2009, 06:52 PM
the other HTML fail of myspace was allowing it in the comments section and not regulating spam. It's just ridiculous. At least if you go to a band's facebook site you see people for the most part posting about the band. If you go to their myspace site you just see endless ugly stupid embedded jpgs and gifs that have nothing to do with the band, but rather people promoting their own crap.

"THX FOR THE ADD!!!!1!"

What I hate is bands that try to force their music on your page if the comment makes it on your page. That is why I approve all comments. I noticed almost 100% of the bands that try to "force" their music on your page are rap/hip hop. Indie rock (and indie pop) bands are so much more polite.

Monklish
11-17-2009, 06:53 PM
That's because they've all abandoned myspace. Gentrification.

CalmerThanYou
11-17-2009, 06:53 PM
http://img33.glitterfy.com/321/glitterfy9205332T138D30.gif

kroqken
11-17-2009, 06:56 PM
That's because they've all abandoned myspace. Gentrification.

Actually, I can only think of one band that does not have a MySpace page and that is the Dead Weather, although maybe that has changed since the last time that I checked. I still cannot believe I have more "friends" than the Coachella page. I hope Paul Tollett is not upset, I did list him as one of my "heroes".

Monklish
11-17-2009, 06:57 PM
Radiohead doesn't have a myspace.

Monklish
11-17-2009, 06:58 PM
Ken, you don't have any friends. That's the other thing that killed myspace--it made the entire notion of social networking irrelevant because nobody was actually communicating with people they gave a fuck about, they were just accumulating thousands of friends for no reason other than the illusion of popularity and connection.

malcolmjamalawesome
11-17-2009, 06:59 PM
Have any of your MySpace friends ever helped you out in a pinch, Ken?

Archie Bunker
11-17-2009, 07:01 PM
Have any of your MySpace friends ever helped you out in a pinch, Ken?

I have, but Ken won't put me in his "top friends" list because he reserves that for bands and whatever other bullshit he collects there.

malcolmjamalawesome
11-17-2009, 07:03 PM
Are you also a "real-life" friend with Ken?

kroqken
11-17-2009, 07:03 PM
Radiohead doesn't have a myspace.

http://www.myspace.com/radiohead

kroqken
11-17-2009, 07:04 PM
Ken, you don't have any friends. That's the other thing that killed myspace--it made the entire notion of social networking irrelevant because nobody was actually communicating with people they gave a fuck about, they were just accumulating thousands of friends for no reason other than the illusion of popularity and connection.

I do have friends, some are on MySpace and some are not. The girl of my dreams is on there, Archie knows her very well.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 07:05 PM
Have any of your MySpace friends ever helped you out in a pinch, Ken?

If each one of my MySpace friends sent me $1, I would have over $65,000. However, I would never ask anyone on there for money, even though $1 to the Killers or Depeche Mode is like nothing to them.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 07:07 PM
I have, but Ken won't put me in his "top friends" list because he reserves that for bands and whatever other bullshit he collects there.

I do not rank real people I know. I leave it for bands. I would put one real life person in my top but she will not add me, it is that hot girl that used to be my roommate and Archie knows. Archie, can you text her and let her know her name has come up on here?

Monklish
11-17-2009, 07:07 PM
ken, if you asked each one of your myspace friends for 1 dollar, you'd get 0 dollars and 64,999 less friends.

frazzles
11-17-2009, 07:07 PM
What do you mean by free HTML on their pages? A lot of MySpace users prefer it to Facebook because tyhey can design their own page and pick backgrounds and play music on their pages. Not true for Facebook. Myspace does not limit how many friends a person can acquire, but Facebook limits people to 5,000 friends. There are higher limits for "fans" but fans are not the same as "friends" in the social networking world.

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/735/dylanconfusezi3.gif

malcolmjamalawesome
11-17-2009, 07:08 PM
If each one of my MySpace friends sent me $1, I would have over $65,000. However, I would never ask anyone on there for money, even though $1 to the Killers or Depeche Mode is like nothing to them.

Facebook cuts out a lot of the delusion of MySpace by allowing you to be fans of musicians, rather than friends.

Bands aren't your friends, Ken. They'd spit in your face if you tried to talk to them or touch them.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 07:09 PM
ken, if you asked each one of your myspace friends for 1 dollar, you'd get 0 dollars and 64,999 less friends.

Exactly, I would never betray my MySpace friends. I hardly ever even send bulletins. I am one of the more non-imposing MySpace buddies. I do leave comments on certain pages and leave private messages for others. I would never ask for any favors and I do not plug any commercial ventures on my page or in private contacts.

Monklish
11-17-2009, 07:10 PM
THAT'S CAUSE NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YOU BEING THEIR FRIEND ON THERE, KEN.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 07:12 PM
Facebook cuts out a lot of the delusion of MySpace by allowing you to be fans of musicians, rather than friends.

Bands aren't your friends, Ken. They'd spit in your face if you tried to talk to them or touch them.

I would not touch any band, except for maybe Princess Superstar, but she likely has 6'10" body guards. I would rather take her for coffee anyway, not just randomly "touch her". I also do not bother celebrities when I see them in public, and that includes bands. I would tell Spencer Pratt he has no talent if I ever ran into him. I still prefer the term friend to fan.

frazzles
11-17-2009, 07:13 PM
This thread is comedy gold.

malcolmjamalawesome
11-17-2009, 07:16 PM
I would not touch any band, except for maybe Princess Superstar, but she likely has 6'10" body guards. I would rather take her for coffee anyway, not just randomly "touch her". I also do not bother celebrities when I see them in public, and that includes bands. I would tell Spencer Pratt he has no talent if I ever ran into him. I still prefer the term friend to fan.

I assume you also prefer the term "girlfriend" to "frightened stranger".

chairmenmeow47
11-17-2009, 07:16 PM
i love randy's idea, but i bet too many bands would be gheigh about either wanting money for the fan video content their fans post (like fucking douchebags) or be little bitches like lady gaga who would ask you to take down pictures of their manish crotches. some bands don't even let you film at their concert, so i doubt they'd be ok with you sharing the video online.

Monklish
11-17-2009, 07:17 PM
Perhaps you don't understand what a friend is, Ken.

Is anybody surprised by that?

Archie Bunker
11-17-2009, 07:18 PM
I do not rank real people I know. I leave it for bands. I would put one real life person in my top but she will not add me, it is that hot girl that used to be my roommate and Archie knows. Archie, can you text her and let her know her name has come up on here?

Then you do rank people you know.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 07:20 PM
I assume you also prefer the term "girlfriend" to "frightened stranger".

I used to have a crush on Princess Superstar, even though her music is unlistenable to me. I missed her when she was at Coachella but I did see her at the Knitting Factory about 5 years ago.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 07:21 PM
i love randy's idea, but i bet too many bands would be gheigh about either wanting money for the fan video content their fans post (like fucking douchebags) or be little bitches like lady gaga who would ask you to take down pictures of their manish crotches. some bands don't even let you film at their concert, so i doubt they'd be ok with you sharing the video online.

Good point. Going back to the original Businessweek article, I hope and pray music remains free on MySpace.

malcolmjamalawesome
11-17-2009, 07:21 PM
Good point. Going back to the original Businessweek article, I hope and pray music remains free on MySpace.

Oh, sorry, Ken. Did we get too far off point for you? Too many random stream-of-consciousness posts?

chairmenmeow47
11-17-2009, 07:21 PM
Facebook cuts out a lot of the delusion of MySpace by allowing you to be fans of musicians, rather than friends.

Bands aren't your friends, Ken. They'd spit in your face if you tried to talk to them or touch them.

except MSTRKRFT of course.

malcolmjamalawesome
11-17-2009, 07:22 PM
MSTRKRFT would spit in Ken's face.

Edit: You're too clever for your own good.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 07:22 PM
Then you do rank people you know.

I would rank Colleen because part of me will always be in love with her. However, barring her adding me (I am blocked on her page and will not give out her URL, don't ask), I just like to put my favorite bands and a few other musical pages among my top friends. Coachella is my number 2 friend.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 07:23 PM
Oh, sorry, Ken. Did we get too far off point for you? Too many random stream-of-consciousness posts?

I go off on so many tangents I might as well be a geometry teacher.

Monklish
11-17-2009, 07:23 PM
i love randy's idea, but i bet too many bands would be gheigh about either wanting money for the fan video content their fans post (like fucking douchebags) or be little bitches like lady gaga who would ask you to take down pictures of their manish crotches. some bands don't even let you film at their concert, so i doubt they'd be ok with you sharing the video online.

This is a known problem with running such a site, but for the most part the bands that don't want film of their shows posted have already made themselves known with youtube, so you don't allow users to post videos under the Prince category, for example. The advantage of the site is that artists are struggling to find ways to make money in the new world of downloading, which this site would be equally catering to the fans as well as to the bands. Plenty of targeted but unobtrusive ads advertising new releases for whatever band you happen to be researching as well as constant promotion of upcoming concerts, which is rapidly becoming the only real way for musicians to make money. Everybody gets happy. If you're a music fan odds are you wouldn't mind seeing ads to the side of what you're viewing about, say, Interpol for example showing their newest merchandise and upcoming dates in your area.

frazzles
11-17-2009, 07:24 PM
A FESTIVAL IS NOT YOUR FRIEND, KEN

malcolmjamalawesome
11-17-2009, 07:24 PM
Number 2 lulz

kroqken
11-17-2009, 07:24 PM
MSTRKRFT would spit in Ken's face.

Edit: You're too clever for your own good.

I agree, no straight man wants to be randomly touched by some other dude. It's not like the lead singer of Placebo touching the lead singer of AFI.

chairmenmeow47
11-17-2009, 07:25 PM
in that respect it's definitely a great idea :)

and MJA reminded me of an old myspace message from a DJ i'm about to post in the facebook thread...

malcolmjamalawesome
11-17-2009, 07:25 PM
More homophobia from Ken.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 07:25 PM
This is a known problem with running such a site, but for the most part the bands that don't want film of their shows posted have already made themselves known with youtube, so you don't allow users to post videos under the Prince category, for example. The advantage of the site is that artists are struggling to find ways to make money in the new world of downloading, which this site would be equally catering to the fans as well as to the bands. Plenty of targeted but unobtrusive ads advertising new releases for whatever band you happen to be researching as well as constant promotion of upcoming concerts, which is rapidly becoming the only real way for musicians to make money. Everybody gets happy. If you're a music fan odds are you wouldn't mind seeing ads to the side of what you're viewing about, say, Interpol for example showing their newest merchandise and upcoming dates in your area.

I will put up with ads to see a band I love.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 07:26 PM
More homophobia from Ken.

It is dark comedy, not a judgment about homosexuals, bisexuals nor transgendered people.

frazzles
11-17-2009, 07:27 PM
Sit here and tell me Davey Havok isn't gayer than a handbag full of rainbows with a straight face.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 07:28 PM
A FESTIVAL IS NOT YOUR FRIEND, KEN

Coachella is my friend. I appreciate Coachella for what it has added in my life, even if it does not meet Sternberg's Traingle of Love theory. Coachella cannot like me back because Coachella is not a human being nor a pet, but I am sure the officials at Goldenvoice do appreciate my enthusiasm for Coachella, even if it would go on quite well if I had never attended.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 07:30 PM
Sit here and tell me Davey Havok isn't gayer than a handbag full of rainbows with a straight face.

Davey Havok is acts more flamboyantly gay than anyone in music, including that Adam Lambert guy. Havok used to date Jeffrey Starr.

crazzz2007
11-17-2009, 07:30 PM
More homophobia from Ken.

ha. you don't get it, do you? it's dark comedy.

obzen
11-17-2009, 07:31 PM
Tool and Prince don't have a Myspace.


Cuz they're fucking gangster like that.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 07:31 PM
I also have liked bands with gay people in it, such as Husker Du/Sugar, Kitchens of Distinction, Tegan and Sarah, R.E.M., Placebo and probably others which have people not "out."

malcolmjamalawesome
11-17-2009, 07:32 PM
Ken, I apologize. Clearly the contours of your dark comedy elude me.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 07:32 PM
Tool and Prince don't have a Myspace.


Cuz they're fucking gangster like that.

Tool does not have a MySpace. Wow!

malcolmjamalawesome
11-17-2009, 07:32 PM
How will you become friends with Tool, ken?

kroqken
11-17-2009, 07:33 PM
Ken, I apologize. Clearly the contours of your dark comedy elude me.

Apology accepted. this thread is becoming more of a soap opera than Melrose Place (even with Heather Locklear returning).

Monklish
11-17-2009, 07:35 PM
Ken, go fuck yourself.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 07:41 PM
How will you become friends with Tool, ken?

I guess befriending a "fake" Tool page or a non-official page does not count.

Monklish
11-17-2009, 07:46 PM
Ken, why the fuck do you care if myspace starts charging bands to post their music?

kroqken
11-17-2009, 07:49 PM
The article seemed to imply that Myspace users may have to pay to put music on their pages. It means it would not be free anymore and would be a paid service. I care because it would affect me, not just the bands.

frazzles
11-17-2009, 07:50 PM
"BEFRIENDING" THE BAND AT ALL DOESN'T COUNT KEN

Monklish
11-17-2009, 07:51 PM
So you can't put music on your page. You can still view bands' music.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 07:52 PM
Tool and Prince don't have a Myspace.


Cuz they're fucking gangster like that.

Also Tool may not have a MySpace but his other band a Perfect Circle does at http://www.myspace.com/the1hollow

kroqken
11-17-2009, 07:54 PM
So you can't put music on your page. You can still view bands' music.

One of my favorite things is my playlist. I want my little 10 song jukebox on there. the songs are usually special to me and I usually change them up as things occur in my life or I discover new songs. I may be willing to pay to do that, but it could not be too expensive, or else I would not pay.

malcolmjamalawesome
11-17-2009, 07:59 PM
How about you just pay for the songs instead. Then you could have your own little 10 song jukebox in iTunes.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 08:06 PM
How about you just pay for the songs instead. Then you could have your own little 10 song jukebox in iTunes.

iTunes is not the same as being seeing with your playlist on MySpace. The money from advertising should be enough to keep MySpace free for all of us users.

moomoo
11-17-2009, 08:11 PM
the most painful thing about this thread is witnessing someone enjoy myspace so much :nono

frazzles
11-17-2009, 08:12 PM
Nobody listens to anyone's songs, let alone playlists on their fucking profiles, ken.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 08:13 PM
the most painful thing about this thread is witnessing someone enjoy myspace so much :nono

MySpace has brought me over 5 and a half years of happiness. It has all the bands, most of the girls and a bridge between Generation Xers and Generation Yers (Millennials).

kroqken
11-17-2009, 08:14 PM
Nobody listens to anyone's songs, let alone playlists on their fucking profiles, ken.

Actually, I get compliments about my playlist and bands I list on a semi-regular basis from regualr people and other bands.

frazzles
11-17-2009, 08:20 PM
But do they really give a shit, Ken?

kroqken
11-17-2009, 08:23 PM
But do they really give a shit, Ken?

I cannot read their minds, only a psychic like Kenny Kingston or Sylvia Browne could claim that, although I have some doubts about psychics as the Amazing Randi has documented many of them as frauds for years.

obzen
11-17-2009, 08:29 PM
Also Tool may not have a MySpace but his other band a Perfect Circle does at http://www.myspace.com/the1hollow

Tool and A Perfect Circle aren't the same thing,Ken.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 08:35 PM
Tool and A Perfect Circle aren't the same thing,Ken.

No, but the two bands have Maynard in common, the main person. I wonder if his winery business has a MySpace page.

Archie Bunker
11-17-2009, 08:37 PM
I cannot read their minds, only a psychic like Kenny Kingston or Sylvia Browne could claim that, although I have some doubts about psychics as the Amazing Randi has documented many of them as frauds for years.

Then why did you spend $150 of your dad's money calling a phone psychic in 1995?

kroqken
11-17-2009, 08:39 PM
Then why did you spend $150 of your dad's money calling a phone psychic in 1995?

I did not know any better. I just wanted to hear someone say that I would get a girlfriend in the future.

luckyface
11-17-2009, 08:40 PM
the most painful thing about this thread is witnessing someone enjoy myspace so much :nono

For someone to have invested that much time and emotion into stockpiling friends, you can see why. Something for the resume, for sure.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 08:46 PM
For someone to have invested that much time and emotion into stockpiling friends, you can see why. Something for the resume, for sure.

MySpace is for mere entertainment purposes. Lots of things are entertainimg to me, everything from a political convention to a Pains of Being Pure at Heart concert.

kroqken
11-17-2009, 09:28 PM
Wow, I almost forgot to check my actual MySpace due to posint so much about my favorite social networking site.

crazzz2007
11-17-2009, 11:42 PM
the most painful thing about this thread is witnessing someone enjoy myspace so much :nono

the most painful thing about this thread is you

crazzz2007
11-17-2009, 11:43 PM
Then why did you spend $150 of your dad's money calling a phone psychic in 1995?

that was 14 years ago. you fucking idiot.

Boourns
11-18-2009, 01:19 PM
http://sparkletextsucks.com/pointless.gif

kroqken
11-18-2009, 10:13 PM
MySpace is buying the music service iMeem, announced today. See, MySpace has a bright future!

Boourns
12-01-2009, 09:49 PM
this will kill myspace for good (http://www.coolchaser.com/layout/create/44730340)