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faxman75
06-24-2009, 10:47 AM
My grandmother when she was alive loved mixed nuts in a can. Her favorite were these brazil nuts.

http://www.thenutfactory.com/photos/nuts-brazil-raw.jpg

She called them "****** toes". We all used to gasp whenever she said the word and she never understood what was wrong with the name and wasn't for making an effort to call them anything else, very stubborn I would say.

Have any of you had relatives growing up maybe that would make racist comments that made you uncomfortable? Actually, it doesn't have to be about race it could be homophobic or any pejudice really.

In retrospect both of my grandparents had pretty extreme views, and my grandfather was born in Italy. They were really wonderful grandparents and they never pushed their views on me. They were democrats and fairly liberal but when things race wise in general would come up, they all had different whacked out opinions, grandpa was more like Archie Bunker saying the blacks are harder working than the mexicans and things of that nature, but his opinion on Hitler was pretty deplorable. I was raised in a house with my grandparents, aunt and mom and outside of my mom they were all pretty racist from time to time with their comments and slurs on occasion. It's not easy to label your immediate family as such and they obviously weren't making slurs on a daily basis but they made enough comments over the years that it wasn't just a slip up either.

TomAz
06-24-2009, 10:49 AM
dagos.

Young blood
06-24-2009, 10:53 AM
My dad was known as the grand wizard of the kkk by my friends growing up. He used to be a heavy drinker from Kansas who is 80 years old. Racist jokes are his specialty.

At a restaurant the other day, he asks our gay waiter the daily specials. One special just had to be quiche. As the waiter was walking away my dad makes the off hand comment that back in his day quiche was known as ****** food.

Alchemy
06-24-2009, 10:56 AM
A big part of my family are born-again Christians, so they have some funny ideas about all sorts of different people. They think paganism, for one thing, has been spreading in America like a wildfire (and that might be linked to Harry Potter). They have a lot of opinions about homosexuality and Islam, of course. A lot of them had opinions about Barack Obama being president, not because they are republicans, and not because of his politics, but because he's black. I'm from Texas.

canexplain
06-24-2009, 10:56 AM
my relatives up in greely, about 50 miles north of denver were always prejudice about native americans or indians or red faces as they called them ... i think it actually came out of their grandparents fought the indians so i guess that is the reason .... lame but you know older peeps :) cr****

oh and faxy, that is what my people always called those nuts

Young blood
06-24-2009, 10:57 AM
Like your grandpa faxman, im pretty sure my dads idol is Archie Bunker.

Young blood
06-24-2009, 10:59 AM
When I asked to go to the mall one time when I was a kid, his drunken reply was "which mall has less roids?" in front of my friends.

Roids~(per the dictionary of my dad) Negroids, or hemorrhoids on society.

Yet he voted for Obama just so he can bitch about him on a daily basis.

He is a bastard.

Issues.

chairmenmeow47
06-24-2009, 10:59 AM
i don't have a real point per usual, but these are my experiences...

my mom went to a segregated school in the south. somehow though my wise mother managed to escape the south as soon as she legally could and never looked back. she surprisingly went back for a reunion recently, but was disappointed to hear her classmates talk about how "lucky" they were to be the last segregated class to graduate from their school.

she is not racist one bit, but her mother was. my granny used to live with us and it always took me back whenever she asked me shit like "how long them darkies been living across the street" while peering out the window, clutching a bat. unfortunately she was slipping into dementia though, so no matter how many times my mom yelled at her for being racist, it never stuck because my grandma was simply stuck in a different time. all we could really do was state that we were offended and leave it at that. there really was no reasoning with her as her mind was too far gone to understand.

now that she's passed, there isn't much racism in the family. i have a feeling my half-brother on my mom's side is racist, but i don't see him enough to really know. he's made some passing comments though, he has some borderline white supremacist tattoos & it's rumoured in my family that when he went to jail in miami in the early 90s, it had something to do with a race riot with the cubans or something. no one tells me anything though, so this is all just a guess. i love him very much and he really doesn't show it around me, but it is sad to hear him make racist comments here and there about people, especially mexicans since my dad's (not his dad, we have the same mom but different dads) family is mexican.

i really don't try to engage him in a debate though since i see him so rarely. racism is a terribly difficult thing to combat and i'm not sure i would even know where to begin with him. it's kinda like when my dad talks about how gays shouldn't marry. i try to explain to him all the trouble my male theatre friends went through when they came out, because my dad watched them grow up with me and i hope that it will give him some sort of personal connection. it still doesn't have any effect, he feels bad for what they went through and still likes them as people, but some part of him will always feel that they shouldn't get the same rights as a hetero couple and i'm not sure it is in my power to ever change that. i'm just glad for the most part, my family doesn't blindly hate on any one race. i'd probably never talk to them if they did.

stinkbutt
06-24-2009, 11:01 AM
My stepdad who I'm really close to is extremely racist to the point of having a swastika banner on the ceiling of his shop and a stack of these around
http://niggermania.com/afnfaq/ct/RunNig.jpg

He is getting better as he is getting older but I have just learned to ignore that part of him and focus on his better points

marooko
06-24-2009, 11:05 AM
A big part of my family are born-again Christians, so they have some funny ideas about all sorts of different people. They think paganism, for one thing, has been spreading in America like a wildfire (and that might be linked to Harry Potter). They have a lot of opinions about homosexuality and Islam, of course. A lot of them had opinions about Barack Obama being president, not because they are republicans, and not because of his politics, but because he's black. I'm from Texas.

mind stating your ethnicity for a clearer picture?


im gonna go ahead and guess the majority, if not all of us have stories like this.

canexplain
06-24-2009, 11:11 AM
if no one knows, i am as white as they come but being in the military all my young and early life, you lived and delt with all kinds of people .... i think that is why i am like i am ... i will say, during the 7 and 8th grade i went to west jr high and aurora high school the 9th grade and i dont think there was a person of color in those schools at the time .... its really changed now .... cr****

Alchemy
06-24-2009, 11:12 AM
mind stating your ethnicity for a clearer picture?


im gonna go ahead and guess the majority, if not all of us have stories like this.

They're all Mexicans (me too), which is the oddity of it. Sometimes my aunt will make crazy statements about black people. The funny thing is that she's rich and she belongs to a country club and she has two kids that she and her husband are pushing to be very successful (which isn't looking too well). What does she think would happen if her son ever became president? The fools she hangs out with at her country club will be going off about how a Mexican can't run the country.

It's all very silly.

EDIT: Oh, buy my family will not say, "We're Mexicans," or, "Mexican-Americans," they'll say, "We're Americans."

faxman75
06-24-2009, 11:13 AM
My grandfather felt Hitler did what he had to do. He saw how the jews were destroying Germany, taking jobs from germans. He was a strong and firm believer in socialism. He thought Hitler had the right idea but kinda got carried away in his later years. As an Italian he really liked Mussolini too and didn't seem to mind that Hitler screwed him over.

On a recent trip back to the Chicago south burbs, my mom informed me of our neighborhood really "changing". I asked her what she meant exactly. She said she hates to say it but she thinks the blacks are trashing the place. I looked out the window and giggled and asked her what the hell she was talking about. Rather than let her comments go I always point out how ridiculous they are and teach her that her theories are flawed. Remember she's the one that actually has black friends, however her black friends mostly hang out with white people and even promote this racism by saying stuff like "there are black people and then there are niggers". The ignorance would drive me crazy. So I press my mom for specific details as to how the city is changing (mind you the demographics have changed in the town, blacks used to be about 20% of the population and now it's about 60%). She goes on to tell me that they are angry and leave their garbage everywhere. Again I asked her where, the streets look pretty clean. She then says to me almost red faced "do you know what they did? they threw a half used bottle of afro sheen in our back yard". I bust up laughing. I ask her if she is serious and if that is the worst of it? She goes on ranting about how it's a disprespect for property and that never used to go on in this neighborhood.

I decided to let my mom know what kind of animal I was in the neighborhood growing up. I broke into cars, threw rocks in snowballs at cars, set a field on fire and so on and so forth. When I told her all this stuff I then asked her what she thought of her white son and white people who have done much worse in this town. Her response "you know everything Mark don't you". ha ha ha

menikmati
06-24-2009, 11:14 AM
Hitler was far from socialism.

Alchemy
06-24-2009, 11:16 AM
Hitler was far from the right idea, too.

disgustipated
06-24-2009, 11:17 AM
My uncle and cousin on Dr. Phil...

http://drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/1347/?id=1347&showID=214


He went to his grave feeling the same way. He believed what he believed and in some way, I respect him for that.

Geno_g
06-24-2009, 11:18 AM
My grandfather fought in WWII and was discriminated because he was mexican, he wouldn't let my father of his siblings learn spanish, and he was racist towards african americans, he said it was the war that made him that way. My dad had his football team over for food and to watch a video, and my grandfather came in and made everyone leave because there was a "black" in his house (my dad went to a Catholic High School), I go to visit him in Santa Maria and he still says racist remarks and I've learned to ignore it...

faxman75
06-24-2009, 11:21 AM
Like your grandpa faxman, im pretty sure my dads idol is Archie Bunker.

Yep, my dad is another story. Considering I wasn't raised by him I would only hear his prejudice diatribes over long summers and when I visit. I only see him once every few years because we have always lived in different states but i've heard him in the past use the "n" word and chuckle racist jokes with friends and such. He even joked he was moving to Idaho because it was mostly white people and he likes his guns. He was in the army for a few years and worked for the department of corrections in Arizona for a long time as well though he is very intelligent and can school anyone at chess or Jeapordy and was quite the pot head, D&D fan growing up with a love of concerts and music with his favorite bands being Black Sabbath, led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. It always strikes me as odd when people who are mostly socially liberal have some crazy thoughts on races.

zenidogx
06-24-2009, 11:23 AM
http://mexicoracism.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/mexico_stamps.jpg

Alchemy
06-24-2009, 11:24 AM
It's amazing how many Mexicans are racist against Mexicans. Here in El Paso, the El Paso Mexicans are racist against the Juarez Mexicans. The two do not mix together, and I've heard a lot of my El Paso Mexican friends criticize Juarez Mexicans. The conception of Juarez Mexicans are that they are kind of like airheads, that they dress nice and spend a lot of money, but are oblivious to everything going on around them, and the ones that are not like that are wild criminals. The conception of El Paso Mexicans are that we are snobby wanna-be Americans that don't appreciate our culture (and a lot of El Paso Mexicans refuse to let their children learn Spanish, because it will make them like the Juarez Mexicans).

It was interesting though, in later years, when all these people in Juarez started dying. There was a little bit of sympathy added to everyone, and I think people are starting to get along a little more.

zenidogx
06-24-2009, 11:26 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2371/2071153807_e6189b8df8.jpg?v=0

In the US, these tasty little snacks are called "Bimboletes"

marooko
06-24-2009, 11:35 AM
They're all Mexicans (me too), which is the oddity of it. Sometimes my aunt will make crazy statements about black people. The funny thing is that she's rich and she belongs to a country club and she has two kids that she and her husband are pushing to be very successful (which isn't looking too well). What does she think would happen if her son ever became president? The fools she hangs out with at her country club will be going off about how a Mexican can't run the country.

It's all very silly.

EDIT: Oh, buy my family will not say, "We're Mexicans," or, "Mexican-Americans," they'll say, "We're Americans."

I don't call myself "______ American." I was born here, I'm just an American. Or, a United Statesian or whatever it was. Plus, what would I say...I'm a "Puerto Rican Ecuadorian American"? That's just fucking stupid. Or, "Hispanic/Latin American". Whatever.


But yeah, I knew you were of Mexican ancestry, I just wanted it noted. Mainly because my mom has said her fair share of crap. She was born in Puerto Rico. My dad, while he doesn't like certain people of certain color, he's well aware it's wrong and watches his mouth and taught otherwise.



http://mexicoracism.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/mexico_stamps.jpg


also, ive been meaning to tell you something, zeni.

FUCK YOU!!!!
i didnt realize you quoted me. im saddened to even see that come out of me in text form.

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/33/trickortreati.jpg

paganman7
06-24-2009, 11:39 AM
When I was 5, I won a Japanese rising sun t-shirt at the state fair for popping balloons with a dart. I was sooooo proud of that shirt. I even wore it home in the car.

When I got home, my grandfather saw the shirt, had me take it off, and tore it to pieces right in front of me. My mom tried to explain to me that it was because he was in "the war", and had a bad view of "orientals".

It wasn't until a handful of years later that I realized that his stupid ass was in the Korean war, not WWII. I wanted to kick his ass for tearing up my shirt as well as confusing which asian race to hate.

Dr. Lufs-al-ot
06-24-2009, 11:42 AM
http://pointdebasculecanada.ca/local/cache-vignettes/L480xH336/racist-dc793.jpg

Grouchy Smurf
06-24-2009, 11:42 AM
I hate wops who eat chili dogs! :nono

Dr. Lufs-al-ot
06-24-2009, 11:43 AM
She called them "****** toes".

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/fragizzle72/racist.jpg

chairmenmeow47
06-24-2009, 11:44 AM
it's interesting though, how else do you convince people to go to war unless you convince them to hate those people? i'm not saying there wasn't some reason to hate the japanese after the attacks on pearl harbor, but we took that a step further and rounded them up into camps here. how are we just supposed to expect everyone to flip a switch inside themselves and treat their former enemy as their new brother all of a sudden after the war? like with slavery, we created that hate and now we gotta fight our way out of it. i mean, we used to convince ourselves that slaves were "inferior" to justify enslaving them. that's a whole lot of indoctrination to overcome and doesn't happen easy.

Alchemy
06-24-2009, 11:47 AM
One time I was joking about Jews in front of my Jewish friend, accidently. I'm not actually prejudice against Jews. I just think it's funny to satire that specific form of prejudice. Anyway, it was a bit awkward, but I think she knew I was just joking around.

marooko
06-24-2009, 11:48 AM
She hates you. Jew hater!!

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9383/swastgramma.jpg

faxman75
06-24-2009, 11:51 AM
Yep and that's exactly what I see happening with Mexicans now. People don't stop to talk to mexicans or get to know them. They simply assume they are illegal or their parents were illegal or somewhere along the lines they found some loop hole and are cheating the system in some way. They aren't americans. They aren't like us. They are inferior because they didn't come over on a boat through Ellis Island or they aren't European because those people are cool and look like us.

chairmenmeow47
06-24-2009, 11:52 AM
that's what pisses me off the most, someone sees a mexican, they see an "illegal".

Gribbz
06-24-2009, 11:56 AM
the azcentral message boards are pretty bad.

cansei de ser sexme
06-24-2009, 11:56 AM
my great grandpa is still around at 98 and whenever we used to go to LA with him he would always say, "dont they know we can't read this ching chong bullshit" whenever he saw signs in chinese.

marooko
06-24-2009, 11:57 AM
i think that too.

Alchemy
06-24-2009, 11:58 AM
I don't like racism. It's just a bunch of Jew mysticism, if you ask me.

cansei de ser sexme
06-24-2009, 11:58 AM
i think that too.
yes but would you say it out loud to your great grandkids?

faxman75
06-24-2009, 11:59 AM
One time I was joking about Jews in front of my Jewish friend, accidently. I'm not actually prejudice against Jews. I just think it's funny to satire that specific form of prejudice. Anyway, it was a bit awkward, but I think she knew I was just joking around.

I participate in this nonsense all the time. I think it's funny to be that way about race much like many comedians have over the year. At most places I worked in the midwest guys all gave eachother shit. We all made inappropriate jokes all day long because it was simply inaprpopriate. It was me, a mexican, a gay guy and 2 black guys and all we did all day was crack on eachother in every single possible way using the harshest and meanest vocabulary but it was all in jest and it was never out of anger. Sometimes out of frustration :lool

I grew up and worked in very diverse places and when I moved to arizona it was damn near culture shock to see so little color compared to Chicago. I used to eat lunch every day with the cleaning crew, maintenance, doctors and various other hospital employees all of which were minorites and I fucking loved it, seeing their different foods every day, talking about life and music and families and such. It was wonderful. Even at the job I am at now, I gravitated to the one person who just became a citizen in the past year, who is black and from the Sudan/Ethopia. He's far more interesting than the other older ladies that work here. If there is one thing I miss the most about Chicago, it's the diversity and culture that was mostly embraced where in my opinoin in Phoenix it's shunned or ignored being most of it would come from native americans and mexicans.

cansei de ser sexme
06-24-2009, 12:00 PM
whats faster than a speeding bullet?






a jew with a coupon.

marooko
06-24-2009, 12:02 PM
yes but would you say it out loud to your great grandkids?

i teach my grankids that shit. oh wait, i dont have grandkids. you know what, i dont even think that either. really what i think is, i should probably get a lesson that my tax dollars are paying for, being that they probably pay for the signs as well. im just assuming this, i dont live there.

faxman75
06-24-2009, 12:03 PM
that's what pisses me off the most, someone sees a mexican, they see an "illegal".

Sheriff Joe has led an incredible campaign to make sure mexicans are scared and he has demonized them to a sickening degree. It doesn't help when the politicians all of the sudden decid putting up a fence at the border was an urgent issue and all of the sudden Mexicans are ruining america by sucking our resources dry.......until that part of the campaign lost fuel and interest of course.

A whole lot of racism has been promoted yet again by the local and federal government.

TommyboyUNM
06-24-2009, 12:13 PM
My grandma once said that white people smell like milk.

zenidogx
06-24-2009, 12:13 PM
I don't call myself "______ American." I was born here, I'm just an American. Or, a United Statesian or whatever it was. Plus, what would I say...I'm a "Puerto Rican Ecuadorian American"? That's just fucking stupid. Or, "Hispanic/Latin American". Whatever.


But yeah, I knew you were of Mexican ancestry, I just wanted it noted. Mainly because my mom has said her fair share of crap. She was born in Puerto Rico. My dad, while he doesn't like certain people of certain color, he's well aware it's wrong and watches his mouth and taught otherwise.





also, ive been meaning to tell you something, zeni.

FUCK YOU!!!!
i didnt realize you quoted me. im saddened to even see that come out of me in text form.

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/33/trickortreati.jpg

:winkiss

bug on your lip
06-24-2009, 12:16 PM
marooko is a moron

but i'd still let him use a commercial dishwasher if i needed it

chairmenmeow47
06-24-2009, 12:23 PM
My grandma once said that white people smell like milk.

lol, my grandma once said she ate so much spaghetti she thought she was catholic.

i get a grand satisfaction out of knowing that whenever the minute men try to keep people from crossing, they just make it so people have to cross on my family's cattle ranch at the border in nogales, where they will be offered water and be allowed to cross so long as they don't vandalize things. take that!!!

algunz
06-24-2009, 12:28 PM
What did Jesus tell the Mexicans before he left?





Don't do anything until I get back.



It's one of the two jokes I know. That and the one about Patty's legs.



My mother-in-law still calls people Negro and Queer. She's 83, so I've learned to let it go.

pancakespancakes
06-24-2009, 12:31 PM
my great grandpa is still around at 98 and whenever we used to go to LA with him he would always say, "dont they know we can't read this ching chong bullshit" whenever he saw signs in chinese.

But this is actually kinda funny...

bug on your lip
06-24-2009, 12:35 PM
little known fact


if you claim to be a rapper u can use the N word freely.. people tend to recognize it's value to artists and entertainers of the Hip Hop community

pancakespancakes
06-24-2009, 12:40 PM
My mother-in-law still calls people Negro and Queer. She's 83, so I've learned to let it go.

Things like this... I almost wonder why you even posted it. Why you brought it up at all. This is any way offensive? An 83-year-old saying the words "negro" and "queer?" I would be a bit disturbed by 23-year-old using these words in public... but this was the terminology that this person was brought up using day-to-day for the majority of their lifetime and it's silly to pressure these rediculously old people to try and adjust small parts of their language to fit in with changing language trends.

TomAz
06-24-2009, 12:44 PM
Do you know what the thread is about, pancakes?

TomAz
06-24-2009, 12:45 PM
A whole lot of racism has been promoted yet again by the local and federal government.

Yes. the fruits of democracy.

pancakespancakes
06-24-2009, 12:51 PM
Do you know what the thread is about, pancakes?

Good point.

I wouldn't use the word "racist" in conjunction with algunz's 83-year-old relative though.

samnco
06-24-2009, 12:54 PM
I lived on the southern boarder of Arkansas when i was little in a tiny little paper mill town. My brother and i were the only white kids in our daycare. There is still a lot of racisim in that town but my parents were sure to never influence us in that sort of way. Then i moved to Branson Missouri , which is a very very white town.

paganman7
06-24-2009, 01:03 PM
Good point.

I wouldn't use the word "racist" in conjunction with algunz's 83-year-old relative though.



I would.

marooko
06-24-2009, 01:09 PM
lol, my grandma once said she ate so much spaghetti she thought she was catholic.

i get a grand satisfaction out of knowing that whenever the minute men try to keep people from crossing, they just make it so people have to cross on my family's cattle ranch at the border in nogales, where they will be offered water and be allowed to cross so long as they don't vandalize things. take that!!!

thats awesome. coming here legally is overrated.

BROKENDOLL
06-24-2009, 01:10 PM
Man, this thread has my father's name written all over it and pretty much explains why we've been estranged for over 30 years!
When I was growing up, I was also told brazilian nuts were called "***** toes." And, God forbid the shit I had to hear whenever a fucking watermelon was in the house! WTF? I was young then and thought it was all funny...that is until Jr High, where I started going to school that was racially balanced. As far as I was concerned, people were like M&Ms...different colors on the outside, but all the same goodness on the inside. As far as he was concerned, M&Ms were the reason for cavities in our society and weren't allowed in or near our house. I grew up in San Diego believing there was actually a designated area for blacks to stay in, and God forbid one stepped foot on our property! Hearing him talk shit while I was going to school and enjoying new friendships of different flavors made for the start of our strained relationship, no doubt about it!
The summer prior to my first year in highschool, when I was looking forward to moving on with all the friends I grew up with, he imforms me that he'd be making special arrangements to transfer me out of that school district and into the highschool he graduated from, just so I wouldn't be exposed to, "all them lazy niggas and thieves," as he so eloquently put it. What he didn't realize was that by watching him lie and bullshit the school districts, I was seeing something far worse. Dishonesty. From someone meant to guide me in life. Come the first year of highschool, when all the friends I grew up with from kindergarden went together, there I was going to the ol' Alma Mater of someone I was beginning to dislike and disrespect.
Ironically, the very first person I made friends with in this new school shared the same name as my dad...Joe Woof. I came home from school that day and excitedly imformed my dad of this coincidence. His ego was boosted and he bragged about what I'd become going to the school that "made him" instead of "ending up like all those darkies..." When he was finished climbing all the way up on that self-built pedestal, with great satisfaction, I imformed him that my very first new friend, Joe Wolfe, was black, and quite possibly one of the nicest, most helpful people you could possibly meet, and quite honestly the only one I recall that had set goals in life. If there were ever a priceless moment for a video to be captured, it would have been when he learned that he shared his surname with a "*****!" You would have thought he'd be headed to the county recorders to lie and bullshit his way into correcting that by the shit-fit he threw! LOL I never bothered to tell him that my friend Joe spelled his last name W-o-l-f-e instead of W-o-o-f. (I just gave my dad another 10 points for being an asshole!) My school friend was understanding when I told him about my dad, and we used to make jokes about him coming over to pick me up for a date, etc...To this day, I often wish I had shown up at the front door, pregnant and carrying a black man's baby, just to spite the prick that was trying to raise me and tell me who I could hang with...Instead, I ended up hanging with the white kids who were responsible for introducing me to drugs, sex, and getting myself out of that school with a GED instead of a diploma from his Alma Mater, while I believe Joe Wolfe ended up becoming a successful attorney!
And after all these years it keeps getting better...not between my dad and I, but between him and his beliefs being thrown in his face.
Just after my mom passed away afew years ago, a black family moved into the house next door to my dad. My dad's a general contractor and you would have thought he'd be started on building a wall that far exceded any wall in China, afterall, he was there first...He was not a happy camper to say the least! While visiting one weekend and trying to be the good daughter that I should, he's going off with his bullshit and racist remarks, and I tried explaining to him my M&M theory of life. He wasn't having it. Period. I went home and time went by. We hadn't spoken in awhile and when I called the next time, he had disconnected his phone. Another month or two went by and while talking to a relative on the East Coast, I get imformed that he had moved and sold the house I grew up in after living there for over 45 years! (Without even telling me! Here, Dad...here's another 10 points for being an even bigger asshole that I thought you were before!) Anyway, because of this new revelation to our already disfunctional relationship, I let afew more months go by before trying to contact him. When I did, he was going through a lawsuit of some sort in regards to the "*****" that had bought the house and was suing him...I have no idea what for, but last weekend, when suffacated and I went to see Tenaglia in San Diego, we cruised by my family home the next day to see a stretched Mercedes Limousine, a Hummer Limo, and a sweet looking little sports car filling the driveway...Take that, you racist asshole!:laughyou LOL

Damn, that felt good telling all of you that story! Seriously! Let's laugh together!

algunz
06-24-2009, 01:27 PM
I would.

Thank you. It's "racist" in a historical perspective. Her intent is not to be racist because in her day these were respectable terms to use, but she's lived through the 60's and the eras following and should recognize that the terminology has progressed.

Ok maybe it's not "racist," but it sure is fucking lazy and close-minded.

Alchemy
06-24-2009, 01:31 PM
Thank you. It's "racist" in a historical perspective. Her intent is not to be racist because in her day these were respectable terms to use, but she's lived through the 60's and the eras following and should recognize that the terminology has progressed.

Ok maybe it's not "racist," but it sure is fucking lazy and close-minded.

It's, at least, a little racist.

canexplain
06-24-2009, 01:33 PM
i get a grand satisfaction out of knowing that whenever the minute men try to keep people from crossing, they just make it so people have to cross on my family's cattle ranch at the border in nogales, where they will be offered water and be allowed to cross so long as they don't vandalize things. take that!!!
__________________


i am glad they are going to try and convict the minute men that killed that dad, the little girl, and short the mom .... i hope they hang them .... cr****

canexplain
06-24-2009, 01:39 PM
it's interesting though, how else do you convince people to go to war unless you convince them to hate those people? i'm not saying there wasn't some reason to hate the japanese after the attacks on pearl harbor, but we took that a step further and rounded them up into camps here. how are we just supposed to expect everyone to flip a switch inside themselves and treat their former enemy as their new brother all of a sudden after the war? like with slavery, we created that hate and now we gotta fight our way out of it. i mean, we used to convince ourselves that slaves were "inferior" to justify enslaving them. that's a whole lot of indoctrination to overcome and doesn't happen easy.


yea they always also give them names to make them seem less then what they are .... i lived in Japan and you know what the racists there called them? get this .... japan in their language is NIPPON ... so for a while they were called NIPS but then people said that was racist so they turned it around and called them PINS .... I always thought that might be where pinhead came from but i could never find out .... cr****

Gribbz
06-24-2009, 01:41 PM
I didn't like boondock saints, but that movie has the best racist joke ever.

lKKur8C4WVg

algunz
06-24-2009, 01:45 PM
Oh, I got another one. How do Asians name their children?

They throw keys at the wall. Ching . . . Chong . . .


I learned that from my 13 year old students. Scary!

Young blood
06-24-2009, 01:48 PM
LOL1!!1!!! kids these days.

Dr. Lufs-al-ot
06-24-2009, 02:03 PM
Oh, I got another one. How do Asians name their children?

They throw keys at the wall. Ching . . . Chong . . .


I learned that from my 13 year old students. Scary!

if my keys made that sound when bouncing against a wall id have to get someone out to investigate what the fuck is in my walls

then again...you did say china...

marooko
06-24-2009, 02:11 PM
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4426/******.jpg

bmack86
06-24-2009, 02:13 PM
When I was visiting my aunt and uncle last week, uncle went on a rant about how Europeans are all lazy and should respect americans more and that France wouldn't be around if it weren't for america's help. He was born and raised in Portugal, and is definitely a European.

My parents confuse me because they aren't "racist" perse: they have friends of all races, my dad wanted to learn spanish so that he could communicate at work, since he's a CHP, they've travelled to mexico pretty extensively, but they still make comments about Mexicans coming into the US and complaints about them. I'm not sure if it's racist or just crazy conservativism, but it's weird to me.

Other than that, we all get by with our fair share of stereotype jokes.

PassiveTheory
06-24-2009, 02:17 PM
What Alchemy was talking about, with the discrimination amid one's own race with the slightest of distinction (cities, right?) illustrates that racism and prejudice aren't markers of fate, rather, they're subjective instruments to break down the powerless and cripple them. Just have to read between the lines and see where the resources and power is located to really understand racism's function.

I think with the world becoming more and more global and the younger generations using technology to embrace multiculturalism and liminality that, despite reactionary forces, we're approaching a greater depth and understanding with one another.

Unfortunately this also means that it's still going to be a while until things are... Less troublesome.

pancakespancakes
06-24-2009, 02:20 PM
I feel like I've read and seen far more disturbing things on this message board than hearing my elderly relatives use dated terms like "negro" or "chinamen"... but the racial jokes on here on do seem to be pretty few and far between.

marooko
06-24-2009, 02:21 PM
"A"

algunz
06-24-2009, 02:22 PM
I guess we need to step it up.



I'll do some research.

pancakespancakes
06-24-2009, 02:23 PM
What's the difference between a pizza and...

algunz
06-24-2009, 02:24 PM
Holy shit, that was scary. This was the only one that made me laugh:

What's the worst thing you can call a black man, starting with N and ending with R?
Neighbor!

TommyboyUNM
06-24-2009, 02:25 PM
I feel like I've read and seen far more disturbing things on this message board than hearing my elderly relatives use dated terms like "negro" or "chinamen"... but the racial jokes on here on do seem to be pretty few and far between.


The difference is we are joking and, by making jokes, we are sort of pointing out how absurd racism is. Many of our grandparents actually believe the shit they say.

paganman7
06-24-2009, 02:26 PM
Daaaaamn.


What do a mexican and a small cheese pizza have in common?

Neither one can feed a family of 4.

algunz
06-24-2009, 02:27 PM
I never understood the lazy, Mexican jokes.

TommyboyUNM
06-24-2009, 02:28 PM
Holy shit, that was scary. This was the only one that made me laugh:

What's the worst thing you can call a black man, starting with N and ending with R?
Neighbor!


There may be different variations of this joke, but I don't like this wording. I think it's funnier if you say "What's the one thing you wouldn't wanna call a black man, starting with 'N' and ending with 'R'? Neighbor."

marooko
06-24-2009, 02:28 PM
too lazy to go figure it out, eh?

paganman7
06-24-2009, 02:28 PM
I never understood the lazy, Mexican jokes.



My friend's mexican father who told me the joke thought it was relevant.

bmack86
06-24-2009, 02:29 PM
I never understood the lazy, Mexican jokes.

I didn't take that joke as lazy mexican. Instead, it's a poor, not able to provide mexican joke. Like the guys hanging out in front of Lowes.

faxman75
06-24-2009, 02:34 PM
Katt is black and makes fun of mexicans. He must be racist.

A2NmT9zLld4

algunz
06-24-2009, 02:34 PM
I didn't take that joke as lazy mexican. Instead, it's a poor, not able to provide mexican joke. Like the guys hanging out in front of Lowes.

I got that, but the lazy, Mexican jokes like my Jesus joke don't seem to fit. Besides myself, I've never met a lazy Mexican. :thu

JustSteve
06-24-2009, 02:35 PM
i always remember my grandma busting out the word "jigaboo"...

Young blood
06-24-2009, 02:35 PM
I got that, but the lazy, Mexican jokes like my Jesus joke don't seem to fit. Besides myself, I've never met a lazy Mexican. :thu

I thought you met mararkoo last year...

pancakespancakes
06-24-2009, 02:35 PM
The difference is we are joking and, by making jokes, we are sort of pointing out how absurd racism is. Many of our grandparents actually believe the shit they say.

That's a little different than what I was talking about though... using words like "negro" or "chinamen" or whatever else are basically meaningless to people of that past generation just the same way the word Hispanic is basically meaningless to us today. Which is why I only find it disturbing in the form of culture shock. When any of us ever use those words in humor, just the same, it's pretty much meaningless.

The last post was a bit confusing the way I made it sound like I have been disturbed by racial humor on this board... I can't remember that ever happening. I have been disturbed plenty of times here but never by anything racist.

TommyboyUNM
06-24-2009, 02:36 PM
I never understood the lazy, Mexican jokes.


Mexicans, from what I've encountered, have the stereotypes of being both lazy AND hardworking.

I ask you, white folks, pick one. I don't care which one, but you all should discuss it at your meetings and decide. Or talk it over in this thread.

algunz
06-24-2009, 02:37 PM
Nope, I've met only a special few and Maroo is not among them . . . yet.




YB, Pssst . . . Maroo ain't Mejicano.

Dr. Lufs-al-ot
06-24-2009, 02:37 PM
Mexicans, from what I've encountered, have the stereotypes of being both lazy AND hardworking.

I ask you, white folks, pick one. I don't care which one, but you all should discuss it at your meetings and decide. Or talk it over in this thread.

WHO THE FUCK TOLD YOU ABOUT THE MEETINGS?!?!!?!?!!

faxman75
06-24-2009, 02:38 PM
Mexicans, from what I've encountered, have the stereotypes of being both lazy AND hardworking.

I ask you, white folks, pick one. I don't care which one, but you all should discuss it at your meetings and decide. Or talk it over in this thread.

All the mexicans i have hired have been hard working. The white people tend to be lazy, feel entitled and take short cuts. Oh and white people are more likely to do meth.

RotationSlimWang
06-24-2009, 02:39 PM
I still call those ****** toes. ::shrug::

algunz
06-24-2009, 02:39 PM
just the same way the word Hispanic is basically meaningless to us today


When did it stop having meaning?

marooko
06-24-2009, 02:39 PM
dont tell them that gunz, they think its funny.

RotationSlimWang
06-24-2009, 02:39 PM
All the mexicans i have hired have been hard working. The white people tend to be lazy, feel entitled and take short cuts. Oh and white people are more likely to do meth.

Also more likely to do math, though.

faxman75
06-24-2009, 02:40 PM
When did it stop having meaning?


When the white kid decided to tell you it did.

algunz
06-24-2009, 02:40 PM
Oooops, sorry. I'm letting my white side show.

TomAz
06-24-2009, 02:41 PM
Mexicans, from what I've encountered, have the stereotypes of being both lazy AND hardworking.

I ask you, white folks, pick one. I don't care which one, but you all should discuss it at your meetings and decide. Or talk it over in this thread.

we can't have the discussion until you and your kind leave.

marooko
06-24-2009, 02:43 PM
whats the deal in commercials, when they have a non-white playing a part, they tend to really sound stereotypical. I understand the commercial with "Tyrone Washington", "Graham Wellington" and Sandji Kumar" is trying to make a point, but there are more out there. Wish I could remember them.

faxman75
06-24-2009, 02:47 PM
Also more likely to do math, though.


True, yet another reason it's better to hire/take advantage of mexicans. They won't trouble you with all that. Some will even let you skip monetary payment all together and will take beer and weed.

Suffacated
06-24-2009, 02:49 PM
Once upon a time there were these two Mexicans....
Now look how many.....

marooko
06-24-2009, 02:52 PM
hahahahaha.

TommyboyUNM
06-24-2009, 02:54 PM
I don't get it.

algunz
06-24-2009, 02:56 PM
Once upon a time there were these two Mexicans....
Now look how many.....

Fuck, that ain't true. We've been here all along. Viva Aztlan.

TommyboyUNM
06-24-2009, 02:56 PM
I get it.

marooko
06-24-2009, 02:57 PM
bullshit!

frazzles
06-24-2009, 02:58 PM
Well, my mother grew up during in the south during the 60 and was highly involved in the Black Panther movement. It doesn't help that I'm a blood relative of the late Fred Hampton and he used to play with her as a girl, or some shit.

All things considered, my mother has calmed down on the racial epithets as I've grown up and pointed out wow insipid it was. I understand that there are things she's seen/lived through that will forever influence her views. I just remember one time when I was young (5, maybe 6?) when she told me I better not ever bring home a girl that didn't look like me (what she meant was a white girl and even I was able to grasp that at that age). I think her being in California has changed her views.

Of course, as with any group of black people, we'll say some generic, slightly racist shit at times, but always in a context (IE, when we see white people doing stupid shit, or when the grass is getting long and we joke about finding a Mexican to do it, etc, etc). In fact, being in the military, racist jokes (emphasis on jokes) are commonplace. In fact, just the other day when I had a blister on my foot, this white guy I work with said I wasn't really a "field *****" because I'd have "slave feet." Then he went on to doing generic "African" undulating and "African" tribal dancing. Shit was hilarious and had everyone in the hangar laughing our asses off.

TommyboyUNM
06-24-2009, 03:00 PM
immigration.


So they want there to be a wall to keep Mexicans out. Right guys, right? You with me? So they want a wall, but I was thinking......who's gonna build the wall?!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!1!!1!!!!

marooko
06-24-2009, 03:01 PM
hahahaha11111111111111111111!!111111111111111!1111 11111

Alchemy
06-24-2009, 03:05 PM
YB, Pssst . . . Maroo ain't Mejicano.

Marookah is a Mexican't.

RotationSlimWang
06-24-2009, 03:09 PM
This is true. Marooko is MaRican.

higgybaby23
06-24-2009, 03:15 PM
I think everyone in this thread should take time out and watch this film....
http://www.impawards.com/1974/posters/blazing_saddles.jpg

TommyboyUNM
06-24-2009, 03:17 PM
higgybaby, I can't see a video. You didn't post it correctly. What are you, a Pollack?

higgybaby23
06-24-2009, 03:20 PM
higgybaby, I can't see a video. You didn't post it correctly. What are you, a Pollack?

Lol, no I'm Mick, Kraut and Injun all rolled into one. No video, just the movie poster for Blazing Saddles...the end all be all of race relation films.

SoulDischarge
06-24-2009, 03:21 PM
I'm betting it's either Do The Right Thing or Triumph Of The Will.

Alchemy
06-24-2009, 03:21 PM
Arizonians can't even understand daylight savings. Of course they can't navigate the internet!

RotationSlimWang
06-24-2009, 03:24 PM
higgybaby, I can't see a video. You didn't post it correctly. What are you, a Pollack?

I think you mean Polack, unless you're accusing him of being a famous painter.

This is why we keep your people in the garden.

higgybaby23
06-24-2009, 03:25 PM
Arizonians can't even understand daylight savings. Of course they can't navigate the internet!

Shit, now I have to worry about being Arizonian too. Isn't there enough shame in just being American?

faxman75
06-24-2009, 03:26 PM
Arizonians can't even understand daylight savings. Of course they can't navigate the internet!


We understand that it's useless and we don't need the government telling us what to do with our clocks twice a year.

Gribbz
06-24-2009, 03:28 PM
We understand that it's useless and we don't need the government telling us what to do with our clocks twice a year.

Mark. The voice of reason.

SoulDischarge
06-24-2009, 03:35 PM
What Alchemy was talking about, with the discrimination amid one's own race with the slightest of distinction (cities, right?) illustrates that racism and prejudice aren't markers of fate, rather, they're subjective instruments to break down the powerless and cripple them. Just have to read between the lines and see where the resources and power is located to really understand racism's function.

I think with the world becoming more and more global and the younger generations using technology to embrace multiculturalism and liminality that, despite reactionary forces, we're approaching a greater depth and understanding with one another.

Unfortunately this also means that it's still going to be a while until things are... Less troublesome.

Actually, I find racism usually evolves from a non-discursive, postmodern line of rationality, although one that predates the cool and swagger of this country's Sexyback phase.

marooko
06-24-2009, 03:39 PM
Marookah is a Mexican't.


This is true. Marooko is MaRican.

and Ecuadorian. or is that Macuadorian?


higgybaby, I can't see a video. You didn't post it correctly. What are you, a Pollack?

this got a nice laugh out of me.

Alchemy
06-24-2009, 03:40 PM
We understand that it's useless and we don't need the government telling us what to do with our clocks twice a year.

Your Arizonie mind tricks don't work on me, Cactus-Man.

Geno_g
06-24-2009, 04:24 PM
and Ecuadorian. or is that Macuadorian?


You and Mr. Nipples would get along, his mom is full Ecuadorian...

marooko
06-24-2009, 04:26 PM
interesting. do you know if she cooks traditional foods?

faxman75
06-24-2009, 04:26 PM
Call it what you want, it's mexican. Get them OUT OF HERE!

Geno_g
06-24-2009, 04:27 PM
I think so, she cooks some bomb food, and Fax get out of mexico then, Arizona is mexico in my book...

marooko
06-24-2009, 04:29 PM
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/7666/cracka.jpg

fatbastard
06-24-2009, 04:37 PM
whats the deal in commercials, when they have a non-white playing a part, they tend to really sound stereotypical. I understand the commercial with "Tyrone Washington", "Graham Wellington" and Sandji Kumar" is trying to make a point, but there are more out there. Wish I could remember them.


I love how TV series will incorporate "ethnic music" when a minority (or anyone not fitting into the norm) appears in the scene.

A person from the country may get a fiddle playing in the background when they appear in a scence, or the famous 4 finger strum of the acoustic guitar when a hispanic walks into the scene. The trouble maker gets the wailing electric guitar.

It so bad that you don't even have to look at the screen, you just imagine and your not too far off.

seandlr
06-24-2009, 04:42 PM
I live with an Uncle of mine currently along with his 5 boys and theyre all horrible. I almost fucking hate them. FOR EXAMPLE. The other day I was watching the Coachella DVD and it was on the Dresden Dolls scene where Amanda Palmer is doing her make up and you can notice that she doesnt shave, and my cousin (who is 20 and has a child on the way) said, "did you see that?" and I say "see what?" he states "her armpits" and i say "yeah, she doesnt shave. thats great, whats wrong with that" and he replies with, "Whats wrong with that? she a fucking woman. thats gross." I wanted to hit him.
I also have another cousin, who is 18, who believes women shouldnt play instruments.
My cousin, the one who is 20, constantly calls people ****** and says theyre stupid.
The entire house is extremely conservative, racist, prejudice, everything.
thank you for listening.

PotVsKtl
06-24-2009, 04:44 PM
Women aren't a race.

seandlr
06-24-2009, 04:49 PM
I know. Neither are Africans, Mexicans or Caucasians.
Anyways, I felt like sharing it regardless

Gribbz
06-24-2009, 04:49 PM
What's with the asians in the kentucky grilled chicken commercial?

"chiiicccckeeeeeeen."

faxman75
06-24-2009, 04:51 PM
I live with an Uncle of mine currently along with his 5 boys and theyre all horrible. I almost fucking hate them. FOR EXAMPLE. The other day I was watching the Coachella DVD and it was on the Dresden Dolls scene where Amanda Palmer is doing her make up and you can notice that she doesnt shave, and my cousin (who is 20 and has a child on the way) said, "did you see that?" and I say "see what?" he states "her armpits" and i say "yeah, she doesnt shave. thats great, whats wrong with that" and he replies with, "Whats wrong with that? she a fucking woman. thats gross." I wanted to hit him.



I don't follow. What's wrong with finding underarm hair on women gross? Sounds like your average conversation to me. I was driving from Chicago to Phoenix when I moved to Phoenix and I stopped in Winslow for some gas. I see a pretty girl that smells of patchouli and she is pumping gas. Her car had a WXRT Chicago bumper sticker and i was digging the sites. She finished pumping and when she lifted her arm I saw a giant hairy armpit. It was crazy and so unexpected. I thought it was pretty gross. Why? It's just not something I was used to seeing so it shocked it me. I literally felt like I was in a scene from a comedy where the makeup department put a ton of hair under her arm :lool

marooko
06-24-2009, 04:51 PM
conservative=racist?

seandlr
06-24-2009, 04:55 PM
I don't follow. What's wrong with finding underarm hair on women gross? Sounds like your average conversation to me. I was driving from Chicago to Phoenix when I moved to Phoenix and I stopped in Winslow for some gas. I see a pretty girl that smells of patchouli and she is pumping gas. Her car had a WXRT Chicago bumper sticker and i was digging the sites. She finished pumping and when she lifted her arm I saw a giant hairy armpit. It was crazy and so unexpected. I thought it was pretty gross. Why? It's just not something I was used to seeing so it shocked it me. I literally felt like I was in a scene from a comedy where the makeup department put a ton of hair under her arm :lool

My bad, I should have mentioned that my cousin tends to look at women as objects, and with that statement he was trying to say that women NEED to shave, which I think is ridiculous

seandlr
06-24-2009, 04:57 PM
conservative=racist?

not necessarily in my situation.... Just stupidity and verbal cruelty

frazzles
06-24-2009, 04:58 PM
The other day at lunch we were at this local Chinese joint when we kept seeing all these hot babes walking into Subway.

"This really burns my ass," I said. "We could be oggling tons of women right now but instead we're sitting here with the cast of Gran Torino."

JebusLives
06-24-2009, 05:43 PM
I came into this thread expecting it to be filled with sexy negro women. What gives!?

Alchemy
06-24-2009, 05:57 PM
What's with the asians in the kentucky grilled chicken commercial?

"chiiicccckeeeeeeen."

Haha, I love that part! Those silly Asians! They don't eat KFC!

canexplain
06-24-2009, 06:16 PM
I don't follow. What's wrong with finding underarm hair on women gross? Sounds like your average conversation to me. I was driving from Chicago to Phoenix when I moved to Phoenix and I stopped in Winslow for some gas. I see a pretty girl that smells of patchouli and she is pumping gas. Her car had a WXRT Chicago bumper sticker and i was digging the sites. She finished pumping and when she lifted her arm I saw a giant hairy armpit. It was crazy and so unexpected. I thought it was pretty gross. Why? It's just not something I was used to seeing so it shocked it me. I literally felt like I was in a scene from a comedy where the makeup department put a ton of hair under her arm :lool

faxy i need to talk with you dude :) ...... here is the only place (i hope) i am racist ... i think if you go to burgerking and you have to repete the order 3 times, something is up .... when i hung in the bay, i would go into a 711 or you pick the sterotype, and i would ask directions .... they could not understand my question at all .. whats up with that .... cr****

faxman75
06-24-2009, 06:26 PM
here is the only place (i hope) i am racist ... i think if you go to burgerking and you have to repete the order 3 times, something is up .... when i hung in the bay, i would go into a 711 or you pick the sterotype, and i would ask directions .... they could not understand my question at all .. whats up with that .... cr****

I'm not sure I follow Ron. You are racist here on the board or in Colorado? If you have to repeat an order three times you are dealing with an employee that is incompetent.

As far as them not understand your question about directions, I don't think that's their job.

So each situation is different I suppose. :)

Alchemy
06-24-2009, 06:32 PM
Maybe it's because Ron orders his food like this: "Hey... Steakhouse... Double sandwich... hey, soft drinks... cr***"

I'm just joshin', Ron.

jdaws
06-24-2009, 07:08 PM
my grandma from southern indiana sometimes refers to black people as "colored". i have mixed reactions to this term. first, i think its inaccurate as every skin has a color to it. but i can see how it developed, and think that at its roots its racist because it implies the "us" as being pure bred caucasians, and the "them" as anyone with the slightest visible hint of african ethnicity. but personally i think colored, as a word within today's context, sounds like a positive description.

faxman75
06-24-2009, 07:10 PM
NAACP

Colored, all colored people, not just blacks. Again though it reduces everything to pigmentation.

PotVsKtl
06-24-2009, 07:12 PM
What?

Alchemy
06-24-2009, 07:13 PM
Them Jews is colored green, like the money in their cave-dungeons...

:-x !

RotationSlimWang
06-24-2009, 07:42 PM
Women aren't a race.

They're stupid, get paid less, and should never have been given the vote. Sounds like a race to me.

fatbastard
06-24-2009, 07:47 PM
I'm disgraced with certain aspects of my race. Does that make me a racist?

Example. I know itís a movie but go with me on this. Robert De Niro came from Italy in The Godfather. The successes of his business could be determined either way: Some may claim that his successes in America were achieved by old fashion capitalism or that his Italian traditions. But he integrated in America by learning to speak English, put up English signs in front of his business, and paid taxes.

The following text is based on my own personal observations. This is coming from a third generation Mexican who was born and raised in Los Angeles.

The Mexicans in my neighborhood, at one point in time, were more similar as the other races in the neighborhood. We had tortillas along with Webers bread in the house and ate beans and rice like we were being compensated for it. Our house and cars looked like everyone elseís. We wore a tie to church on Easter and a single-breasted coat to the local steak house on Saturday night. Friends who would stay for dinner, on occasion, may have looked perplexed when mom layed the tortilla warmer with fresh tortillas in the middle of the kitchen table or started passing around the chili bowl. Other than that, and of course our color, our neighborhood was one big family.

The Mexicans that are in my neighborhood today are, in the nicest way of saying, different. They do not mow their lawn or prune their shrubs because they have none. Only a table with chairs is outside, or a makeshift play land for the kids to play. Children of apes are more behaved than the Mexican kids in my neighborhood. A women or elderly person walking on the sidewalk means nothing. They have a shopping cart tied to their bicycle, so they give you a look like they have some type of commercial vehicle right of way. Men walk into restaurants just fast enough for their wife, or significant other to catch the door. Cowboy hats are worn indoors and that thing that most people refer to as a table? No, itís the elbow holder. Itís important for them to hold their face in their hands. This canít be done without the elbow holder. Want to buy a piece of corn, ice cream, tamale, or some other concoction? Stand on the sidewalk and wait. You can hear them coming too. Listen for a cowbell, a horn or just plain shouting.

Just because these neighbors check off ďHispanicĒ on the census, does not mean we are all the same.

frazzles
06-24-2009, 07:54 PM
In conjunction with fatbastard, I also have the same struggle within my group. To put it simply, I have the generic scale of "blackness" and how it pertains to the average American in general.

Black----Nigra-----******

We ALL know what I mean at the extremes of the scale and which subcategory often lumps us together as a whole. Now is not the time for eloquence on my part, though.

SoulDischarge
06-24-2009, 07:55 PM
Black = white?

frazzles
06-24-2009, 08:04 PM
No, although that seems to be the comparison for some goddamned, inane reason. Black, in that context, means those of us who have sense, literate, and aren't morons. In my experience, most of us in our late 20s+ seem to be that way. But maybe that's just a generational gap. I can tell you my experiences in Louisiana are disheartening, to say the least.

PotVsKtl
06-24-2009, 08:04 PM
Yeah, children of apes. Cowbells. They put their elbows on the table.

jusbcus25
06-24-2009, 08:06 PM
It's amazing how many Mexicans are racist against Mexicans. Here in El Paso, the El Paso Mexicans are racist against the Juarez Mexicans. The two do not mix together, and I've heard a lot of my El Paso Mexican friends criticize Juarez Mexicans. The conception of Juarez Mexicans are that they are kind of like airheads, that they dress nice and spend a lot of money, but are oblivious to everything going on around them, and the ones that are not like that are wild criminals. The conception of El Paso Mexicans are that we are snobby wanna-be Americans that don't appreciate our culture (and a lot of El Paso Mexicans refuse to let their children learn Spanish, because it will make them like the Juarez Mexicans).

It was interesting though, in later years, when all these people in Juarez started dying. There was a little bit of sympathy added to everyone, and I think people are starting to get along a little more.


I grew up in Las Cruces so I know exactly what you are talking about. It's crazy how Jtown kids have alot of cash. When people think of jaurez they think of the strip and think everyone there is poor, which is not the case. I used to go down to the pronaf all the time and had a blast in mexico, but won't step foot down there now due to all the murders. At the Drive in hits home because I know first hand what they are talking about. Funny how the kids in Mexico try so hard to set trends and they love American pop culture. The El Pasoans won't ever admit they are mexicans and Las Crucans all say they are Spanish. Its good to see the scene is still alive down there, when BSP and Jesse Hawk left I thought for sure it was over. Vinn-e and pastilla digital seem to be still kicking and alot of good concerts seem to still be passing through. I miss LC/EP/JZ alot!

jusbcus25
06-24-2009, 08:08 PM
when my grandma fixed things she always sayed she was Ni**er rigging it. Because of that I have never said that word in my life.

seandlr
06-24-2009, 08:22 PM
My grandpa was in the marines during the Korean war and they brainwashed him. Every time I'm helping him clean something he always says "make it look like a white mans house." I find that pretty pathetic

stinkbutt
06-24-2009, 08:33 PM
when my grandma fixed things she always sayed she was Ni**er rigging it. Because of that I have never said that word in my life.

my stepdad always makes the joke that "we have to be pc about it now it's called afro engineering"

jusbcus25
06-24-2009, 08:39 PM
my stepdad always makes the joke that "we have to be pc about it now it's called afro engineering"

I just spit water all over my laptop. LOL. That's awesome.

marooko
06-24-2009, 08:57 PM
yeah, that was damn funny.

RotationSlimWang
06-24-2009, 09:02 PM
Yeah, children of apes. Cowbells. They put their elbows on the table.

Moar cowbell, fewer niggers.

Alchemy
06-24-2009, 10:09 PM
I'm disgraced with certain aspects of my race. Does that make me a racist?

What you are writing about sounds more like a change in cultural attitudes and times though. I think most lower-to-upper-middle class neighborhoods will diminish into poop, if didn't start out as poop, over time.

RotationSlimWang
06-24-2009, 10:38 PM
I would appreciate it if someone would acknowledge how hilarious my cowbell segue was.

TommyboyUNM
06-24-2009, 11:04 PM
I would appreciate it if someone would acknowledge how hilarious my cowbell segue was.

I read it through my 1998 glasses and it was pretty funny.

marooko
06-25-2009, 08:00 AM
So much so, that I forgot to laugh.