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PotVsKtl
05-11-2009, 10:51 PM
MTV told me.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1611003/20090508/green_day.jhtml

suprefan
05-11-2009, 10:52 PM
I thought the Ramones did.

PotVsKtl
05-11-2009, 10:54 PM
You should watch more MTV.

pancakespancakes
05-11-2009, 10:55 PM
I was always a big fan of the Buzzcocks myself.

SoulDischarge
05-11-2009, 10:56 PM
I'm just glad to hear that they're going to "get in touch with their inner arena-rockers."

suprefan
05-11-2009, 10:56 PM
vNCRVUBY_hk

pancakespancakes
05-11-2009, 10:58 PM
I'm just glad to hear that they're going to "get in touch with their inner arena-rockers."

We all need to.

Principal Onyx Blackman
05-11-2009, 10:58 PM
The lyrics to "American Idiot" were very enlightening.

SoulDischarge
05-11-2009, 11:00 PM
I don't really think it's fair to mock Green Day's political minded lyrics. Not everyone can appreciate the obscure complexities of a lyricist such as Jello Biafra.

Principal Onyx Blackman
05-11-2009, 11:01 PM
Green Day told me who to vote for.

hawkingvsreeve
05-11-2009, 11:08 PM
I will contend that Dookie was a great record. No shame. The drum sounds are amazing.

TallGuyCM
05-11-2009, 11:08 PM
Dookie might have made the mainstream masses aware of pop-punk, but it wasn't that much of a departure from their earlier albums. So if anything, 1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours invented Pop Punk if you're gonna make the Green Day argument.

DHARMA2112
05-11-2009, 11:13 PM
I love Green Day (especially their new album).

But this is absolutely ridiculous. They have always been a pop band IMO, but the creators of pop punk? Puh-lease. MTV is just hyping their new record - which I don't think is very radio friendly like their last one, except a couple tracks. I actually have a feeling this album won't do that well commercially.

TallGuyCM
05-11-2009, 11:18 PM
I hope the radio hates it and stays far away from it.......American Idiot was r.i.p. for me after about a month of its release because of how unavoidable it was in all forms of media. It took until about '06 before I could actually pop it in and listen to it cover to cover without shuttering.

PotVsKtl
05-11-2009, 11:20 PM
Where you're shudders clothesed?

SoulDischarge
05-11-2009, 11:20 PM
I thought the Ramones did.

Hey. I just heard about this space age material they're inventing. It's called irony and it allows people to make statements in an insincere manner, therefore allowing the speaker to mock certain ideas. If we can get in on the groundfloor on marketing for this thing, we can make millions.

nbvwes
05-11-2009, 11:25 PM
I thought the Ramones did.

yeah, what he said...


and if Dookie invented pop punk, what the fuck was Kerplunk??

BlackSwan
05-11-2009, 11:26 PM
ahahha

DHARMA2112
05-11-2009, 11:26 PM
I hope the radio hates it and stays far away from it.......American Idiot was r.i.p. for me after about a month of its release because of how unavoidable it was in all forms of media. It took until about '06 before I could actually pop it in and listen to it cover to cover without shuttering.

I don't listen to the radio.

To be honest, I think it's a bit ridiculous you let others ruin music for you. I listen to music at my own pace and leisure, and am thankful I don't let TV/Radio over play music I like.

You are going to hate: 21 Guns, Know Your Enemy (two songs that will def get over killed by the radio). I really can't see the rest being singles, except maybe 2 more songs.

bmack86
05-11-2009, 11:35 PM
This reminds me of that Family Guy episode where Howie Mandel puts a surgical glove over his head and inflates it with his nose and then suffocates, hits his head on a table and dies.

http://cakeblast.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/howie_mandel.jpg

JustSteve
05-11-2009, 11:35 PM
I will contend that Dookie was a great record. No shame. The drum sounds are amazing.

i have been listening to this album a bit lately, just kinda rediscovered it last week even though it's been on my ipod since there was an ipod. brought back some amazing/vivid memories from when it was released, that was a fun spring/summer. fuck, it's even bringing back the smells of those days.

TallGuyCM
05-12-2009, 12:24 AM
To be honest, I think it's a bit ridiculous you let others ruin music for you. I listen to music at my own pace and leisure, and am thankful I don't let TV/Radio over play music I like.

I don't intend to let others ruin music for me........the vast majority of the time in my car I listen to either my iPod or cd's.........but it seems like for the 10 minutes that I might flip on the radio it's always that fucking Kings of Leon song for the 1,000th time that day.

So, yeah. Sometimes things are hard to avoid. It wasn't hard to get overdosed on American Idiot when "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" was playing on sports highlights and commercials every turn of the channel on tv as well.

kitt kat
05-12-2009, 12:56 AM
i was watching TV today, and within ONE commercial break, there were THREE commercials for the new green day album.

the 12 year old inside me FREAKED. liking green day was cool when i was younger because they were a local band and said curse words and made our mothers cringe ever so slightly in the most innocent of ways.

now, i think they're remarkably washed up, and have been since 2000...but i will raise my hand and say 1039/smoothed out slappy hours > kerplunk > dookie is a wonderful watered-down fun punk trifecta. i have long since deleted said albums from my computer and sold the discs to amoeba...but you know what? i may go download them right now because they are that entertaining.

psycobetabuckdown
05-12-2009, 01:15 AM
The article didn't say they invented pop-punk, people. Let's be fair. It said "they've been credited (and sometimes cursed) for bringing power-punk to the mainstream". This is a 100% true statement.

Also this article doesn't mention Dookie once.

real talk
05-12-2009, 01:23 AM
We've no time for facts. Only personal essay.

TomAz
05-12-2009, 08:18 AM
Billy Joe Armstrong's kid goes to the same elementary school my niece and nephew go to. My sister says he (BJA) is active in doing parent-type stuff like helping with art projects and pitching in baseball games. I think that's nice.

bug on your lip
05-12-2009, 08:41 AM
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d105/TumTumDumDum/avrilheader.png

Alchemy
05-12-2009, 09:30 AM
Everybody knows that it was The Beatles who invented pop-punk with the song "Kids at the Weed Party" featured as a b-side to Rubber Soul. This was just before they invented death metal with the original version of "Here, There and Everywhere" called "Satan is Here, There and Everywhere (featuring Trey Azagthoth from Morbid Angel)" from Revovler.

Cdubby
05-12-2009, 09:45 AM
my green day collection was as follows.....


dookie (age 11) > isomniac (age 12) > nimrod (age 14) and it ended there

marooko
05-12-2009, 09:46 AM
my green day collection was as follows.....


dookie (age 11) > isomniac (age 12) > nimrod (age 14) and it ended there

heres mine:

Cdubby
05-12-2009, 09:49 AM
heres mine:

http://imageftw.com/uploads/20081119/imsoglad.gif

marooko
05-12-2009, 09:50 AM
my green day collection was as follows.....


dookie (age 11) > isomniac (age 12) > nimrod (age 14) and it ended there

:).

PotVsKtl
05-12-2009, 09:58 AM
The article didn't say they invented pop-punk, people. Let's be fair. It said "they've been credited (and sometimes cursed) for bringing power-punk to the mainstream". This is a 100% true statement.

Also this article doesn't mention Dookie once.

That's why you watch the video fuckbolt.

PassiveTheory
05-12-2009, 10:00 AM
This is sorta like getting angry at Billy Mays for giving the Shamwow guy the impetus to be a TV spokesperson/salesman. It doesn't fucking matter how it started because it's laughable now.

TallGuyCM
05-12-2009, 10:02 AM
impetus, nice!

PotVsKtl
05-12-2009, 10:03 AM
LOL WORDS

marooko
05-12-2009, 10:09 AM
LOL DOOKIE.

bakersfield
05-12-2009, 10:13 AM
....but it seems like for the 10 minutes that I might flip on the radio it's always that fucking Kings of Leon song for the 1,000th time that day.



AMEN! They play that fucking song into the ground!

SoulDischarge
05-12-2009, 12:20 PM
That's why you watch the video fuckbolt.

Billy Joe's voice is why you don't watch the video.

psycobetabuckdown
05-12-2009, 10:02 PM
That's why you watch the video fuckbolt.

crap off, i don't have time for your silly green day interviews turdshovel

shotglass75
05-12-2009, 10:43 PM
This reminds me of that Family Guy episode where Howie Mandel puts a surgical glove over his head and inflates it with his nose and then suffocates, hits his head on a table and dies.

http://cakeblast.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/howie_mandel.jpg

I had that album on fucking cassette when I was 10 or 11. Howie was awesome back in the day. Yeah, I said it!!!!.

algunz
05-12-2009, 10:56 PM
You all will be back . . . once you grow out of your "pretentious fuck" stage.

psycobetabuckdown
05-12-2009, 11:01 PM
come on. there's nothing pretentious about recognizing shit as shit

algunz
05-12-2009, 11:05 PM
Like I said, you'll be back.

suprefan
05-12-2009, 11:06 PM
Who said we ever left

Cdubby
05-12-2009, 11:07 PM
Who said we ever left


indie cred +1,000,000

algunz
05-12-2009, 11:08 PM
Sometimes I feel very alone with my appreciation for Green Day. :(

BlackSwan
05-12-2009, 11:14 PM
Sometimes I feel very alone with my appreciation for Green Day. :(

There is a more positive Green Day thread: http://www.coachella.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29618&page=11

suprefan
05-12-2009, 11:15 PM
Sometimes I feel very alone with my appreciation for Green Day. :(

Remember, I took this......


http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3940/greenday3144hr8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

JustSteve
05-12-2009, 11:17 PM
Sometimes I feel very alone with my appreciation for Green Day. :(

i'm with ya.

Sushov23
05-12-2009, 11:18 PM
i'm with ya.

me tr3s.

JustSteve
05-12-2009, 11:23 PM
just realized i've been listening to them since '92, got kerplunk when it was released...19 years...almost 2/3rd's of my life. damn.

algunz
05-12-2009, 11:50 PM
They, along with No Doubt and Jane's Addiction (both of which often get the shit stick on here too), are a HUGE part of my musical history.

Cdubby
05-12-2009, 11:59 PM
you get to see all 3 this year on tour, lucky you

JustSteve
05-13-2009, 12:01 AM
except ticket prices are about 10x more expensive than when they were clubbing it back in the day.

Sexecutioner
05-13-2009, 12:02 AM
They, along with No Doubt and Jane's Addiction (both of which often get the shit stick on here too), are a HUGE part of my musical history.

im with ya gunz. not so much with no doubt, but ill admit i enjoyed tragic kingdom quite a bit at the time.

dookie though...man, that brings back some great memories. its one of those albums that came out around when i got my drivers license, so it reminds me of that feeling of freedom that came along with all that. 16 years old, drivin around, gettin stoned, and causin trouble with friends. man, those were the days...

JustSteve
05-13-2009, 12:03 AM
seriously, it was my summer of freedom and all the good and bad that comes along with that.

TallGuyCM
05-13-2009, 12:11 AM
They, along with No Doubt and Jane's Addiction(both of which often get the shit stick on here too), are a HUGE part of my musical history.

Seriously. Music still hasn't caught up with Ritual de lo Habitual. And it's been 20 years.

bmack86
05-13-2009, 12:47 AM
I was 8 when Dookie came out. That shit was childhood. I still like that one, and I like Warning. Kerplunk was mostly good and 1,039 has some cool moments. Other than that, mostly the singles.

JebusLives
05-13-2009, 08:49 AM
Uhm, my friends started listening to green day back in 94 or whenever because they were the only major band to sound EXACTLY LIKE ALL THE LOCAL BANDS we were into. And this was in uncool Calgary. Love this revisionist history, MTV!

bug on your lip
05-13-2009, 09:50 AM
http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu135/dreicytty/avril-21222222223.jpg

algunz
05-13-2009, 12:32 PM
you get to see all 3 this year on tour, lucky you

I've already got duckets for two. I'm a bit undecided on GD because of cost. I saw them on their last tour, which was great, but I'm not sure about goin' again so soon.

psycobetabuckdown
05-13-2009, 08:43 PM
Like I said, you'll be back.

Well I was never on the train, except when I was 12, but even then it was a band I wasn't all that into. I liked Barenakedladies and Third Eye Blind better.

I bet a lot of Coachella boarders' tastes evolved out of Green Day and MXPX and that stuff, but I bet there are also a bunch that were closer to my tastes back in the day. I like thinking about how people's musical histories led them to Coachella and how wide-ranging tastes converge and overlap and how we all like Radiohead.

psycobetabuckdown
05-13-2009, 08:48 PM
And Jane's Addiction, I have no idea why they get sticks of any kind, especially shit sticks. Bands don't get much more Coachella-worthy than Jane's. Maybe some people don't like Perry's voice or are just tired of him or something. Whatever.

amprobyn
05-14-2009, 01:05 AM
WOahhh my friend was just talking about that album today.
anyways... vvv.