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bmack86
05-04-2009, 11:05 AM
Brandon and I started ours today. This is the place to put your lists for the best albums of the decade. I know, I know, another list thread. Just don't open it.

Have discussions, arguments and post your potential lists. This way we can compare our earlier lists to what is still standing by the end of the year.

psycobetabuckdown
05-04-2009, 11:10 AM
Are EP's included?

bmack86
05-04-2009, 11:12 AM
I'm including EPs

psycobetabuckdown
05-04-2009, 11:12 AM
How long's your list gonna be?

bmack86
05-04-2009, 11:15 AM
100 albums is the plan.

hawkingvsreeve
05-04-2009, 11:15 AM
We should set up rules to cover that. I propose the following:

A US release date from Jan. 1, 2000 to Dec. 31, 2009
Full length releases (longer than 35 minutes, which excludes Weezers Green album I know, but if that shit makes anyones list we need to have a serious talk)

seandlr
05-04-2009, 11:16 AM
i was hoping someone would start this thread as opposed to the debut one.
i still think arcade fires funeral is a heavy contender.
rage against the machine - battle of los angeles
against me! - pretty much their whole discography (minus new wave)
atmosphere- when life gives you lemons, you paint that shit gold
no age- both weirdo rippers and nouns
vampire weekend- gotta give it to em
sleater kinney - the woods
radiohead - in rainbows
this could go on forever

TommyboyUNM
05-04-2009, 11:16 AM
We should set some guidelines. Top 25? Top 50? That sort of thing. And will there be a point system so we can come up with a Coachella Valley Music & Arts Festival Message Board Top 25/50 albums of the 2000's?

Edit: Thanks for the clarifcations, Bryan and Brandon.

hawkingvsreeve
05-04-2009, 11:17 AM
Also I was just going to do a top 50. I like more focused lists. Plus if we try to tally this 100 albums is going to be a huge shit storm. If we arent going to tally it, do as many as you like I suppose.

indietron
05-04-2009, 11:18 AM
We should set some guidelines. Top 25? Top 50? That sort of thing. And will there be a point system so we can come up with a Coachella Valley Music & Arts Festival Message Board Top 25/50 albums of the 2000's?

I second tommy's idea

bleep
05-04-2009, 11:18 AM
bmack, can you post a link to your running list of albums from this decade? would be a good point of reference for some.

TallGuyCM
05-04-2009, 11:18 AM
I vote 50.

Courtney
05-04-2009, 11:18 AM
If you want to tally 100, why don't you just have everybody enter their own albums on a shared google docs spreadsheet? Or maybe that's putting too much faith in humanity.

hawkingvsreeve
05-04-2009, 11:19 AM
I'm doing 50 either way. More make head asplode.

indietron
05-04-2009, 11:20 AM
You should also make a rule that you cannot include the album cover in the list. 50 pictures x 10-20 lists per page = disaster

seandlr
05-04-2009, 11:20 AM
We should set some guidelines. Top 25? Top 50? That sort of thing. And will there be a point system so we can come up with a Coachella Valley Music & Arts Festival Message Board Top 25/50 albums of the 2000's?



i like that idea

TallGuyCM
05-04-2009, 11:20 AM
You should also make a rule that you cannot include the album cover in the list. 50 pictures x 10-20 lists per page = disaster

Great point.

seandlr
05-04-2009, 11:21 AM
You should also make a rule that you cannot include the album cover in the list. 50 pictures x 10-20 lists per page = disaster

srsly

seandlr
05-04-2009, 11:21 AM
If you want to tally 100, why don't you just have everybody enter their own albums on a shared google docs spreadsheet? Or maybe that's putting too much faith in humanity.

wayyyy too much faith

hawkingvsreeve
05-04-2009, 11:22 AM
No pictures. Just lists. If John wants to volunteer to tally all this I propose everyone owes him a churro or rio bowl at the next Coachella, but he is the only person I trust to nail this thing and do it right. He works miracles with this kind of stuff.

bmack86
05-04-2009, 11:23 AM
Okay, 50 sounds more reasonable. If you want to post a list of 100, or 200, go ahead, but for end-of-year tally purposes, we will only count the top 50. Brandon, I think EPs should count, which would go against the 35 minute requirement, but I'm open to someone convincing me otherwise.

Here's the list of releases I had started. (http://www.coachella.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28725)

kreutz2112
05-04-2009, 11:24 AM
I will do 50 unless there are albums that I feel I am not including that should be included, in which case I will do 100.

bleep
05-04-2009, 11:24 AM
is there some sort of online database thingamajig where we can all upload our lists in some format and then we're able to query the database for results?

hawkingvsreeve
05-04-2009, 11:26 AM
If you want to include EPs that is fine, I am just leaving them off of my list because I don't feel it is fair to compare them to albums because they dont have as much time to develop like an album does. There have been great EPs though, so if people want them that is cool.

kreutz2112
05-04-2009, 11:26 AM
I also think EPs should count. Burst and Bloom is easily my favorite release from Cursive and it may be included in my list.

TallGuyCM
05-04-2009, 11:26 AM
My Morning Jacket's "Z" will easily be in my Top 5.

dorkfish
05-04-2009, 11:27 AM
EP's should be included so I can rate Fluorescent Grey obsessively high.

Tylerdurden31
05-04-2009, 11:30 AM
i am totally down for this

mountmccabe
05-04-2009, 11:32 AM
If you want to tally 100, why don't you just have everybody enter their own albums on a shared google docs spreadsheet? Or maybe that's putting too much faith in humanity.

This is a good idea but I do think your skepticism is warranted.

Last time I tallied lists like these and it wasn't a pain in the ass I had people post their lists like this:

1;White Stripes;White Blood Cells;2001
2;Love Is All;Nine Times That Same Song;2008
3;Cure;The Cure;2005

so that I could cut/paste them into a text file and import the data into Excel easily, delimiting on the semi-colon. Maybe this time I could do that and also offer a second option; linking to a Google Documents Spreadsheet that has the same four columns in the same order.

That would be easy enough to work with. And it'd be secure, too.

And everything could be kept in a (read only for y'all) Google Documents Spreadsheet so that people can see how things are going and, in the end, do their own weighting systems for ranking albums and whatnot.

hawkingvsreeve
05-04-2009, 11:32 AM
I also think EPs should count. Burst and Bloom is easily my favorite release from Cursive and it may be included in my list.

Shit.

Dammit Adam.

psycobetabuckdown
05-04-2009, 11:36 AM
Yeah, I like the Arcade Fire EP better than lots of good full-lengths from this decade. I'd rather keep it than Super Taranta, for example.

I don't even know if I've heard 100 albums this decade. I probably have but it just seems like a lot. A Top 100 for me would include probably everything I've heard in full.

bleep
05-04-2009, 11:36 AM
is there some sort of online database thingamajig where we can all upload our lists in some format and then we're able to query the database for results?
this is what i'm thinking of: http://dabbledb.com/demo/
people can post their lists here in a specific format. then a person we trust can copy and paste the lists to be imported into the database.

bmack86
05-04-2009, 11:41 AM
My early version of a top 10:
1;Boredoms;Vision Creation Newsun
2;Grizzly Bear;Veckatimest
3;Joanna Newsom;Ys
4;Deerhunter;Microcastle/Weird Era Cont.
5;Fugazi;The Argument
6;Fucked Up;The Chemistry of Common Life
7;Radiohead;Kid A
8;Sonic Youth;Murray Street
9;Liars;Drums Not Dead
10;Modest Mouse;The Moon and Antarctica

wmgaretjax
05-04-2009, 11:42 AM
EP's should be included so I can rate Fluorescent Grey obsessively high.

just use the cryptograms vinyl release that contained both.

my list will be 100.

psycobetabuckdown
05-04-2009, 11:42 AM
OK I just went over bmack's "best of the 00s" list a little and I think I could easily make a top 100. Never mind.

mountmccabe
05-04-2009, 11:53 AM
this is what i'm thinking of: http://dabbledb.com/demo/
people can post their lists here in a specific format. then a person we trust can copy and paste the lists to be imported into the database.

I'm quoting this as a reminder to look into this some time when I am not at work.

menikmati
05-04-2009, 12:01 PM
It'd be really cool to program a page/database where you could enter your board name, and then make your list of 50, submit it...and then have the webpage (upon viewing) display each member's top 50 list, and then the overall top 50 based on tallying...I could probably do it if I don't feel lazy and really want to impress you all.

mountmccabe
05-04-2009, 12:03 PM
That would be kind have awesome, Erik.

menikmati
05-04-2009, 12:04 PM
I see what you did there John...

hawkingvsreeve
05-04-2009, 12:07 PM
You have to watch out for that John. So clever. So sly.

menikmati
05-04-2009, 12:07 PM
I really have no problem doing this....only thing is I hope people wouldn't mind that they would have to signup on the page and enter their board username (I know people can't hate signing up for different sites all the time)....but that way, they can make their list, and edit it later on if they so wish....the database/page can be set up so you can view each members list, the overall list, and then click on individual albums and see how many times they appeared on lists etc etc...I've done stuff like this on my nirvana site before.

mountmccabe
05-04-2009, 12:08 PM
Also what are desires on when this is to be all completed? I know the idea is to get started because this can be a monumental task but are folks thinking that this needs to be done early like say September to be other year-end lists?

Or would we want, say, lists to be submitted by January 10, 2010 to give people time to absorb late releases and recover from the holidays.


EDIT: though with Erik's idea of an on-line database that anyone can pull results from at any time... the concept of a deadline doesn't make any sense.

hawkingvsreeve
05-04-2009, 12:11 PM
I say early January would be good.

And Erik that all sounds really great. If they don't like signing up, they can take their list elsewhere. Lolla-boards.

menikmati
05-04-2009, 12:12 PM
Also what are desires on when this is to be all completed? I know the idea is to get started because this can be a monumental task but are folks thinking that this needs to be done early like say September to be other year-end lists?

Or would we want, say, lists to be submitted by January 10, 2010 to give people time to absorb late releases and recover from the holidays.


EDIT: though with Erik's idea of an on-line database that anyone can pull results from at any time... the concept of a deadline doesn't make any sense.

Well John I can set it up so overall stats aren't viewable until a certain date or whatever, that wouldn't be a problem.

I can just make the sign up/login pages, and the one page where you yourself can submit/edit your own list for the time being.

bmack86
05-04-2009, 12:12 PM
I agree with early January

pancakespancakes
05-04-2009, 12:54 PM
I am currently working on/perfecting my top 100... but I can single it down to a Top 50 for this for sure. I made a Top 50 all set in stone about a month ago, but I would probably go back and edit it before posting here. And there will probably be at LEAST one new album in 2009 that will make it's way on there as well.

pancakespancakes
05-04-2009, 12:55 PM
So just for the sake of posting... here's what my top 25 currently looks like... and I'm sure the ordering will be edited quite a bit in the coming months.

1. Broken Social Scene - You Forgot it in People (2003)
2. The Mars Volta - Frances the Mute (2005)
3. Broken Social Scene - Broken Social Scene (2005)
4. The Strokes - Is This It? (2001)
5. Animal Collective - Merriweather Post Pavillion (2009)
6. Arcade Fire - Funeral (2004)
7. The White Stripes - De Stijl (2000)
8. Sigur Ros - Agaetis Byrjun (2000)
9. Radiohead - Kid A (2000)
10. Deerhunter - Microcastle (2008)
11. Animal Collective - Feels (2005)
12. My Mornig Jacket - It Still Moves (2003)
13. Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven (2000)
14. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois (2005)
15. Liars - Drum's Not Dead (2006)
16. Kings of Leon - Because of the Times (2007)
17. Joanna Newsom - Ys (2006)
18. The White Stripes - Elephant (2003)
19. Do Make Say Think - & Yet & Yet (2002)
20. Comets on Fire - Blue Cathedral (2004)
21. Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf (2002)
22. Battles - Mirrored (2007)
23. Panda Bear - Person Pitch (2007)
24. Explosions in the Sky - The Earth is Not a Cold Dead Place (2003)
25. Grizzly Bear - Veckatimest (2009)

mountmccabe
05-04-2009, 01:01 PM
Well John I can set it up so overall stats aren't viewable until a certain date or whatever, that wouldn't be a problem.

I can just make the sign up/login pages, and the one page where you yourself can submit/edit your own list for the time being.

This all sounds wonderful and may be a lot easier for everybody. Especially me and/or anyone else that wanted to try and process the data.


Please excuse my ignorance on these matters.

Would there be anything stopping me from signing up as hawkingvsreeve? Or, for that matter, that username and mountmccabe and half a dozen others? That is to say, is there any way (other than manually) to connect it to the security of this site?

Will the database be able to do things like notice spelling/typing errors, count "9 Times That Same Song" and "Nine Times That Same Song" as the same album and disqualify albums that don't meet the criteria (whatever those critera end up being)?

Would it be horrible/unwiedly to start with, say, Bryan's big list of albums released in the 00s from that other thread as a basic list to choose from but, of course, still allow write-in candidates which then need to go through an additional layer of scrutiny?

Also, again, please forgive my ignorance on these matters. Since I know I am being annoying I can sign up to be one of the team of scrutinizers, if'n you like.

bmack86
05-04-2009, 01:01 PM
You've got half of my top 10 in there. Top 50, as of today. I'm sure this will change many times, although I'm 100% about the top 3, in this particular order.

1.Boredoms-Vision Creation Newsun
2.Grizzly Bear-Veckatimest
3.Joanna Newsom-Ys
4.Deerhunter-Microcastle/Weird Era Cont.
5.Fugazi-The Argument
6.Fucked Up-The Chemistry of Common Life
7.Radiohead-Kid A
8.Sonic Youth-Murray Street
9.Liars-Drums Not Dead
10.Modest Mouse-The Moon and Antarctica
11.Madvillian-Madvilliany
12.Sigur Ros-Agaetis Byrjun
13.Wilco-Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
14.No Age-Nouns
15.Arcade Fire-Funeral
16.The White Stripes-Elephant
17.Animal Collective-Feels
18.Unwound-Leaves Turn Inside You
19.Sleater Kinney-The Woods
20.Deerhunter-Cryptograms/Flourescent Grey EP
21.D’Angelo-Voodoo
22.Yeah Yeah Yeahs-Fever To Tell
23.Spoon-Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga
24.Man Man-The Man in the Blue Turban With A Face
25.Animal Collective-Merriweather Post Pavilion
26.Sufjan Stevens-Illinoise
27.Songs Ohia-Magnolia Electric Co.
28.The Notwist – Neon Golden
29.The Shins-Chutes Too Narrow
30.Of Montreal-Hissing Fauna, You Are the Destroyer
31.Panda Bear-Person Pitch
32.Calexico - Feast of Wire
33.Amadou and Mariam-Dimanche e Bamako
34.TV on the Radio-Return to Cookie Mountain
35.Outkast – Stankonia
36.Mogwai – Happy Songs For Happy People
37.The Strokes-Is This It
38.Interpol-Turn On the Bright Lights
39.Jay Z-The Blueprint
40.Joanna Newsom-The Milk-Eyed Mender
41.Ted Leo/Pharmacists-Heart of Oak
42.Beck-Sea Change
43.Mastodon-Leviathan
44.The Mae Shi-Hlllyh
45.No Age-Weirdo Rippers
46.Gnarls Barkley – St. Elsewhere
47.Portishead-Third
48.The Wrens-Meadowlands
49.LCD Soundsystem-Sound of Silver
50.At the Drive In-Relationship of Command

hawkingvsreeve
05-04-2009, 01:30 PM
TENtative. Eh? Eh?

Ok.




10. The Knife - Silent Shout
09. Calexico - Feast Of Wire
08. Stereolab - Sound Dust
07. Sigur Ros - Takk
06. Neko Case - Blacklisted
05. M83 - Saturdays = Youth
04. Death Cab For Cutie - We Have The Facts And We're Voting Yes
03. Radiohead - Amnesiac
02. Bjork - Vespertine
01. Radiohead - Kid A

wmgaretjax
05-04-2009, 01:34 PM
10. The Knife - Silent Shout
09. Calexico - Feast Of Wire
08. Stereolab - Sound Dust
07. Sigur Ros - Takk
06. Neko Case - Blacklisted
05. M83 - Saturdays = Youth
04. Death Cab For Cutie - We Have The Facts And We're Voting Yes
03. Radiohead - Amnesiac
02. Bjork - Vespertine
01. Radiohead - Kid A

Whoa. Old school Death Cab way up top on the list. Just the title there brings me back to another time...

Am I the only one that puts Medulla on top for Bjork albums?

bmack86
05-04-2009, 01:37 PM
I'm going to, but it doesn't make it into my top 50 really.

wmgaretjax
05-04-2009, 01:40 PM
My tentative 10... This will change... there is no doubt about it. No question.

1. Scott Walker - The Drift
2. Radiohead - Kid A
3. Liars - Drums Not Dead
4. Animal Collective - Here Comes the Indian
5. Merzbow - Houjoue
6. Keith Fullerton Whitman - Playthroughs
7. Sonic Youth - Murray Street
8. Boredoms - Vision Creation Newsun (fuck)
9. Machinefabriek - Marjin
10. John Maus - Songs

the top 3 are pretty much set, but they flip around amongst themselves from time to time.

hawkingvsreeve
05-04-2009, 01:40 PM
Whoa. Old school Death Cab way up top on the list. Just the title there brings me back to another time...

Am I the only one that puts Medulla on top for Bjork albums?

She will never make a record as heartfelt or pure as Homogenic. The scope of Medulla is absolutely amazing, obviously, but I don't think as a collection of songs it is her best work. And yeah, that Death Cab album is why I am really starting to hate them now.

kreutz2112
05-04-2009, 01:42 PM
I have my top 3 so far.

1. Radiohead - Kid A
2. Sufjan Stevens - Illinoise
3. Arcade Fire - Funeral

hawkingvsreeve
05-04-2009, 01:43 PM
47 more to go there, slugger. Me too, really.

wmgaretjax
05-04-2009, 01:45 PM
She will never make a record as heartfelt or pure as Homogenic. The scope of Medulla is absolutely amazing, obviously, but I don't think as a collection of songs it is her best work. And yeah, that Death Cab album is why I am really starting to hate them now.

It's funny, I have vivid memories of seeing DCFC play countless local shows opening for great bands and even when they started to headline consistently. The last time I saw them they played sasquatch and sounded great, but a lot of the heart is gone.

bmack86
05-04-2009, 01:47 PM
Jared, we share four of our top 10. I need to listen to that Scott Walker album more.

wmgaretjax
05-04-2009, 01:47 PM
Jared, we share four of our top 10. I need to listen to that Scott Walker album more.

we might end up sharing more. a few others (especially Ys) teeter really close to that line.

ShyGuy75
05-04-2009, 01:50 PM
When 99% of you get to a point in life where you don't think anyone is taking your musical opinions seriously anymore, look no further than this thread for concrete proof as to why.

menikmati
05-04-2009, 01:54 PM
This all sounds wonderful and may be a lot easier for everybody. Especially me and/or anyone else that wanted to try and process the data.


Please excuse my ignorance on these matters.

Would there be anything stopping me from signing up as hawkingvsreeve? Or, for that matter, that username and mountmccabe and half a dozen others? That is to say, is there any way (other than manually) to connect it to the security of this site?

Will the database be able to do things like notice spelling/typing errors, count "9 Times That Same Song" and "Nine Times That Same Song" as the same album and disqualify albums that don't meet the criteria (whatever those critera end up being)?

Would it be horrible/unwiedly to start with, say, Bryan's big list of albums released in the 00s from that other thread as a basic list to choose from but, of course, still allow write-in candidates which then need to go through an additional layer of scrutiny?

Also, again, please forgive my ignorance on these matters. Since I know I am being annoying I can sign up to be one of the team of scrutinizers, if'n you like.

These are good questions John.

1. There is no way to externally connect to this forum database...I mean maybe there is, but I don't know how, and plus I would need permission and access to Coachella's servers etc etc...so it's very likely and 99.999% that this scenario of connection to this database is out of the question. So the next best thing is to allow users on here to sign up on the page using their board screen names....but of course like you said, what would stop so-so from using your screen name or mine?

Well, the best away around that is to manage the sign ups and either allow/disallow them on a screening basis...meaning if you sign up with your username, and email....I will check and see if your email matches the same one you use on this site (I can check that in the admin control panel), and if it does, I pass you on through the site, if not, your sign up is denied and you have to try again.

2. Now as far as spelling errors, or counting albums etc etc...there are different ways to go about this...it can be set up so all strings are converted to lower case, so IN RAINBOWS and In Rainbows would be counted as the same thing...but of course, what if someone wrote In Rainbwos? The next best thing might be like you said....have a drop down list (one that matches or is similar to Bryan's huge list) where you can select albums from....and if one does not appear on that list, then you can have the option of writing it in (Artist field, AlbumName field).

These are just ideas though...

hawkingvsreeve
05-04-2009, 01:55 PM
Ok Aaron.

pancakespancakes
05-04-2009, 01:58 PM
03. Radiohead - Amnesiac
01. Radiohead - Kid A



2. Radiohead - Kid A



1. Radiohead - Kid A


ZZZZZZZZ

wmgaretjax
05-04-2009, 01:58 PM
It also might be possible to tap into an existing API in order to facilitate the selection process and avoid any spelling inconsistencies etc. I'd have to look into it a little more though, and it might be more trouble than it's worth.

wmgaretjax
05-04-2009, 02:00 PM
ZZZZZZZZ

Is the discrepancy between 1 and 9 so dramatic in 10 years of music? Or are you just that cool?

pancakespancakes
05-04-2009, 02:01 PM
Hahahahaha

I was just playing

hawkingvsreeve
05-04-2009, 02:02 PM
I am not surprised. It's a great fucking record, man.

wmgaretjax
05-04-2009, 02:02 PM
Hahahahaha

I was just playing

Ok. Cool. Because for a second there, I thought the guy with Kings of Leon in his list was trying to be cheeky.

pancakespancakes
05-04-2009, 02:03 PM
Ohhh you know me

wmgaretjax
05-04-2009, 02:06 PM
Ohhh you know me

I forget. Did you decide to go to Tonalism? not sure if you booked your campground yet, but a bunch of CA and Folk Yeah folks are staying at this campground:

Kirk Creek (http://www.reserveamerica.com/camping/map_of_Kirk_Creek_Campground_Ca/r/generateBrowseMap.do?topTabIndex=CampgroundMap&map=PARK&parkId=71993&contractCode=NRSO)

Ended up being like 45 bucks for 2 days for me.

ShyGuy75
05-04-2009, 02:07 PM
i also agree that baseless disrespect never solves anything, but only makes things worse. someone always gets hurt in the end, and nobody ever wants to see that happen.

menikmati
05-04-2009, 02:09 PM
It also might be possible to tap into an existing API in order to facilitate the selection process and avoid any spelling inconsistencies etc. I'd have to look into it a little more though, and it might be more trouble than it's worth.

Yeah that's possible...facebook apps have that sorta thing when you select your "top 5" or whatever.

kreutz2112
05-04-2009, 02:10 PM
erik, can you write an iPhone app for this? thx.

wmgaretjax
05-04-2009, 02:11 PM
erik, can you write an iPhone app for this? thx.

haha. i just started tinkering around with the SDK. it's really fucking easy to make simple things with.

SoulDischarge
05-04-2009, 02:32 PM
Drums Not Dead is definitely top 3 material for me. It's one of the few records from this decade that I feel genuine excitement about as a whole, complete entity. I guess I might as well start working on my top 10.

wmgaretjax
05-04-2009, 02:34 PM
The other thing about that album is... It actually feels fresh. So few albums, even great ones, feel genuinely new to me these days.

coofal
05-04-2009, 04:56 PM
When 99% of you get to a point in life where you don't think anyone is taking your musical opinions seriously anymore, look no further than this thread for concrete proof as to why.

qft

Mr.Nipples
05-04-2009, 07:53 PM
grandaddy-the sophtware slump
primal scream-XTRMNTR
portishead-third
the walkmen-bows and arrows
sonic youth-sonic nurse
hella-hold your horse is
liars-drums not dead
neil young-prairie wind
interpol-turn on the bright lights
radiohead-kid a
el-p-fantastic damage
cannibal ox-the cold vein
the strokes-is this it?
wu-tang clan-the W
no age-wierdo rippers
tv on the radio-desperate youth,bloodthirsty babes
shellac-1000 hurts
blonde redhead-misery is a butterfly



listed in no specific order

LooseAtTheZoo
05-04-2009, 08:02 PM
Okay, 50 sounds more reasonable. If you want to post a list of 100, or 200, go ahead, but for end-of-year tally purposes, we will only count the top 50. Brandon, I think EPs should count, which would go against the 35 minute requirement, but I'm open to someone convincing me otherwise.

Here's the list of releases I had started. (http://www.coachella.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28725)

Some of the albums people mentioned had absolutely no business being mentioned in a "best of" list. People need to recognize the difference between a good album, a great album, and one that can truly be considered one of the best of its time.

Some of pancakes picks were particularly mind-boggling.

apostle2
05-04-2009, 08:08 PM
I've actually been working on a top 100 for a couple months. the list leans really, really heavily on 2000 and 2002.

TommyboyUNM
05-04-2009, 08:17 PM
I completely dismissed Liars after watching their train wreck of a set when they opened for Radiohead last year. Quite possibly one of the worst live shows I've ever witnessed. But I think I'm gonna give Drums Not Dead a shot because of some of your recommendations.

sbessiso
05-04-2009, 08:22 PM
pancakes, you cannot have "De Stijl" at number 7 and "Elephant" at number 18. I understand this is your opinion and you like "De Stijl" but no. You cannot do this.

BlackSwan
05-04-2009, 08:23 PM
Hahahahaha

I was just playing

Should I playfully mock your list, or would you prefer serious?

wmgaretjax
05-04-2009, 08:38 PM
But I think I'm gonna give Drums Not Dead a shot because of some of your recommendations.

A shot is all we could ask. It's a fantastic album.

bmack86
05-04-2009, 09:38 PM
Get out of my thread, spam

pancakespancakes
05-04-2009, 09:43 PM
Should I playfully mock your list, or would you prefer serious?

Please, seriously mock my list. I would really look forward to this. Especially that one band hanging out at the top that I love a little too much.

pancakespancakes
05-04-2009, 09:50 PM
pancakes, you cannot have "De Stijl" at number 7 and "Elephant" at number 18. I understand this is your opinion and you like "De Stijl" but no. You cannot do this.

It's really really a personal list, which I should have just prefaced in retrospect, and since De Stijl was my first album of their's of course it's my favorite. But also, even with my music critic hat on, I think De Stijl is their strongest and most important record, so it works both ways for me...


Some of the albums people mentioned had absolutely no business being mentioned in a "best of" list. People need to recognize the difference between a good album, a great album, and one that can truly be considered one of the best of its time.

Some of pancakes picks were particularly mind-boggling.

Sorry... I actually really really loved that thread though. And I still do. I don't give a shit about what people think is good and what isn't in regards to that list, that thread title was already useless by the time the first post was complete. I just want a good encyclopedia of all of the releases of the last 10 years that some people found to be quality and/or of importance. In particular, a list with as many different artists represented as possible, which is why I bombarded the list with a bunch of more obscure/less-noteworthy artists instead of just putting up every Mars Volta or Broken Social Scene or Animal Collective album that I'm sure nobody cared about.

I think it's the best reference for music releases of the '00s I've come across in recent time, and I seriously mean that. I even discovered a couple albums in there I'd never heard of thanks to Jared's posts. So I really thank bmack for creating that thing...

PassiveTheory
05-04-2009, 09:58 PM
Tenative List of Records that will make my top 50/100 for sure (off the top of my head):

Interpol - Turn On The Bright Lights
Arcade Fire - Funeral
Arcade Fire - Neon Bible
Franz Ferdinand - s/t
Junior Boys - So This Is Goodbye
Royksopp - Melody A.M.
Boards of Canada - Geodaddi
Massive Attack - 100th Window
Portishead - Third
Clinic - Walking With Thee
Air - Talkie Walkie
Zero 7 - Simple Things
Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
The Strokes - Room On Fire
Ulrich Schnauss - Goodbye
Thievery Corporation - The Richest Man In Babylon
Coldplay - Viva La Vida
Death Cab for Cutie - Plans
The Decemberists - Picaresque
The Dresden Dolls - The Dresden Dolls
The Shins - Wincing The Night Away
Deerhunter - Microcastle
Feist - The Reminder
Radiohead - Hail To The Thief
Radiohead - Kid A
Gnarls Barkley - St. Elsewhere
Hot Chip - Made In THe Dark
Rilo Kiley - More Adventurous
Interpol - Antics

Etc.

sbessiso
05-05-2009, 04:36 AM
De Stijl is not the white stripes' strongest record. Can someone PLEASE back me up

JSam67
05-05-2009, 05:16 AM
De Stijl is not the white stripes' strongest record. Can someone PLEASE back me up

Elephant is definitely their pinnacle in my mind.

wmgaretjax
05-05-2009, 07:44 AM
De Stijl is my favorite.

pancakespancakes
05-05-2009, 07:59 AM
De Stijl does everything Elephant did, except it did it 3 years earlier. That's why.

Elephant just has bigger production.

zenidogx
05-05-2009, 08:05 AM
Elephant is my number one. De Stijl is my personal favorite of theirs, but when I sit back and listen to Elephant, it blows me away every time.

my top 5 may be definite:

Elephant – The White Stripes
The Life Pursuit – Belle and Sebastian
Hissing Fauna, Are You the Destroyer? – of Montreal
Ta Det Lugnt – Dungen
Picaresque – The Decemberists

SoulDischarge
05-05-2009, 08:19 AM
It's either De Stijl or White Blood Cells. Everything after was spotty, even if there were great moments.

sbessiso
05-05-2009, 08:27 AM
De Stijl does everything Elephant did, except it did it 3 years earlier. That's why.

Absolutely not. Don't get me wrong, I love De Stijl. I love everything that they've put out. Here's just another case where we have to agree to disagree (yet again)

mountmccabe
05-05-2009, 09:38 AM
It's either De Stijl or White Blood Cells. Everything after was spotty, even if there were great moments.

Patrick is right.

hawkingvsreeve
05-05-2009, 09:46 AM
Yeah, I think I would take White Blood Cells here. I find all of their releases a bit uneven though.

TallGuyCM
05-05-2009, 09:48 AM
At least only one of their albums had "My Doorbell". Uggh. Maybe it was the extreme overplay on San Diego radio stations at the time, but that song makes my skin crawl.

PassiveTheory
05-05-2009, 11:59 AM
My Doorbell is a large part of why I will never be a White Stripes fan.

rage patton
05-05-2009, 12:01 PM
De Stijl is not the white stripes' strongest record. Can someone PLEASE back me up

I will back you up here. Elephant is without a doubt their best. My favorite is probably their self titled though.

ShyGuy75
05-05-2009, 12:10 PM
My Doorbell is a large part of why I will never be a White Stripes fan.

so you discount one of the best bands of the decade and arguably one of the greatest guitarists of our time because of one song? do you ever stop and actually read how ridiculous most of what you post on this forum is, or are you content just being a circus type character on the internet?

PassiveTheory
05-05-2009, 12:17 PM
I've already argued about my dislike for the White Stripes numerous times already, it's not worth rehashing the same bullshit over and over again. But I will tell you one thing, Mr. Self-Indignation, think about how many times you've been turned off by a band by hearing just one song, whether it be the Killers or the Doors or the Beach Boys or the Pussycat Dolls, and then try to back that bullshit up.

Also, there are plenty of bands with great musicians who I just don't bother listening to, or are you going to seriously try and preach the merits of Yanni and Bela Fleck to me?

ShyGuy75
05-05-2009, 12:35 PM
times i have been turned off by a band after listening to one song? zero. i allow myself to embrace at least 4 songs before i make that decision.

did you really just bring yanni into the discussion? slow day at the ring toss? i didn't say "great musicians", i said "greatest". keep trying to justify your musical ignorance. its entertaining.

this shouldn't surprise me though coming from someone who posed like schoolgirl with her deerhunter album and rode the rail singing her heart out for the Stars. white stripes...bad. Stars....*sniffle..sniffle*....awesome.

PassiveTheory
05-05-2009, 12:40 PM
Posed like a schoolgirl. Alright. That coupled with your "allowing to embrace four songs" blatant lie cements that you are full of shit. Congratulations.

hawkingvsreeve
05-05-2009, 12:44 PM
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e191/General_Ridley/MichealJacksonPopcorn.gif?t=1193801972

TommyboyUNM
05-05-2009, 12:48 PM
My Doorbell is a large part of why I will never be a White Stripes fan.


I think your inability to recognize anything good is more to blame than My Doorbell.

SoulDischarge
05-05-2009, 12:48 PM
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e191/General_Ridley/MichealJacksonPopcorn.gif?t=1193801972


Hahaha.

ShyGuy75
05-05-2009, 12:50 PM
passive, i am just trying to help you be a less pathetic member of this forum. no need to get upset. maybe you should find a new place to tourture the masses with your musical ramblings? you seem to like you could be king on this one: http://www.teenchat.com/chat/music-chat/ instead of something like a court jester here. again, just trying to help. no need to get the fro all out of place.

wmgaretjax
05-05-2009, 12:59 PM
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e191/General_Ridley/MichealJacksonPopcorn.gif?t=1193801972

It's like watching old people make love.

ShyGuy75
05-05-2009, 01:06 PM
it sure is, daddy.

BlackSwan
05-05-2009, 01:10 PM
You guys have experience I am not interested in acquiring.

TallGuyCM
05-05-2009, 03:03 PM
I gotta side with Passive on this one. First off...if he doesn't like a band, who cares? I find PT to be knowledgable and pretty balanced. And he doesn't blatantly insult people. So, uh, shyguy...don't get your skinny hipster jeans in a bunch. It's just the internet.

And FWIW I hated Fall Out Boy the first time I heard "Sugar We're Going Down". It didn't take me "embracing 4 songs" to see that. "Dance Dance" and "This Ain't a Scene It's An Arms Race" were pretty unavoidable on rock radio a few years ago, so that only furthered my stance on the band.

Jack White is a great guitar player, yes. But he has a very polarizing voice and I understand if some people don't care for his band(s). I have several friends who don't like the White Stripes but I don't ride them for it.

victhebrick21
05-05-2009, 03:24 PM
I've already argued about my dislike for the White Stripes numerous times already, it's not worth rehashing the same bullshit over and over again. But I will tell you one thing, Mr. Self-Indignation, think about how many times you've been turned off by a band by hearing just one song, whether it be the Killers or the Doors or the Beach Boys or the Pussycat Dolls, and then try to back that bullshit up.

Also, there are plenty of bands with great musicians who I just don't bother listening to, or are you going to seriously try and preach the merits of Yanni and Bela Fleck to me?

Im sure most of us dont give a fuck if you like the White Stripes or not.

You proved your point..move on!!

wmgaretjax
05-05-2009, 03:30 PM
Im sure most of us dont give a fuck if you like the White Stripes or not.

You proved your point..move on!!

In Lee's defense (how often do you hear that?), he made a simple comment that was just chiming in with what someone else said... He was then jumped on with a series of irrational, hyper-sensitive and overblown accusations...

ShyGuy75
05-05-2009, 03:39 PM
In Lee's defense (how often do you hear that?), he made a simple comment that was just chiming in with what someone else said... He was then jumped on with a series of irrational, hyper-sensitive and overblown accusations...

this is more of a reflection of how deep i live in your head. you have succumb to irrationally defending the indefensible. can't you see how far your precious internet persona has fallen in your quest of all things shyguy? it has taken you years of sacrificing family time posting to get to where you were. i hate to see that shattered just because of me. you will now deny all of this, and try to make some artsy indoor scarf wearing hipster i don't really care comment.

sad, but true.

PassiveTheory
05-05-2009, 03:40 PM
Pretty much.

I acknowledge that Jack White is a great guitar player, I just don't care for his music.

Backwater
05-05-2009, 03:41 PM
White Blood Cells is still my favorite.

BlackSwan
05-05-2009, 03:48 PM
There is nothing wrong with wearing a scarf indoors.

wmgaretjax
05-05-2009, 04:33 PM
There is nothing wrong with wearing a scarf indoors.

especially if it's 40 degrees. i'm not sure why that concept is difficult for the LA crowd to understand. some places are cold...even indoors. i am a victim of my environment.

menikmati
05-05-2009, 04:53 PM
Just to let those interested know....I have a site set up and ready to go for testing to get this whole database/site of your guys top 50 albums of the 00' decade thing going....obviously you have to sign up using your board handle here on this message board, but once you sign up and confirm through an email....you can start making your top 50 list (you can edit it as many times as you like).

The main part of the site will be to display the final stats etc etc and overall lists, but that won't be for a while, but for those who want an early start to try out the site and tell me what they would like, I'm all ears.

I know people would be worried about someone else using their screen names, so if you contact me I can give you the link and make sure you get signed up alright. I can check emails addresses of users, and if they dont seem to match up, I'll know something is fishy.

And the site is set up right now so you can't view anyone else's lists or stats, just your own...so no spoiled surprises/stats.

kitt kat
05-05-2009, 09:05 PM
such a great idea!!

i write for tiny mix tapes and we're starting our list now...i'll be using this list as reference A LOT

wmgaretjax
05-05-2009, 09:10 PM
such a great idea!!

i write for tiny mix tapes and we're starting our list now...i'll be using this list as reference A LOT

is this a new thing? writing for TMT? are you doing reviews?

they review some good stuff. i was happy to see the Giuseppe Ielasi review last week.

Still-ill
05-05-2009, 09:12 PM
Just to let those interested know....I have a site set up and ready to go for testing to get this whole database/site of your guys top 50 albums of the 00' decade thing going....obviously you have to sign up using your board handle here on this message board, but once you sign up and confirm through an email....you can start making your top 50 list (you can edit it as many times as you like).

The main part of the site will be to display the final stats etc etc and overall lists, but that won't be for a while, but for those who want an early start to try out the site and tell me what they would like, I'm all ears.

I know people would be worried about someone else using their screen names, so if you contact me I can give you the link and make sure you get signed up alright. I can check emails addresses of users, and if they dont seem to match up, I'll know something is fishy.

And the site is set up right now so you can't view anyone else's lists or stats, just your own...so no spoiled surprises/stats.

Incredible... you rock.

And to think I thought this thread had died...

indietron
05-05-2009, 09:14 PM
menik saves the day

Young blood
05-05-2009, 09:14 PM
why?

Still-ill
05-05-2009, 09:26 PM
Hmmm... there's a bunch of stuff I still need to buy that's on a majority of other lists. Another reason to buy more albums :)

indietron
05-05-2009, 09:40 PM
why?

Shyguy was derailing the thread

Young blood
05-05-2009, 09:41 PM
no. why?.

Why? is fucking amazing.

menikmati
05-05-2009, 09:41 PM
I'll PM people the link, don't wanna put it on the board for the masses yet.

wmgaretjax
05-05-2009, 09:44 PM
i'll take the link and start toying with it.

indietron
05-05-2009, 09:44 PM
Haha sorry bout that

real talk
05-06-2009, 08:13 AM
When the time passes that no one can go in and edit/add their lists anymore will we be able to see individual lists or filter out certain users/bands? I think it would be fun to play around with taking out Arcade Fire, Radiohead, White Stripes, etc. to see what are the smaller albums people choose.

kreutz2112
05-06-2009, 08:27 AM
It would also be cool to see which years are over/under-represented. I haven't been to the site yet, Erik, but is there a way we could enter the year the album was released?

mountmccabe
05-06-2009, 08:33 AM
I am guessing 1999 will be over-represented.

mountmccabe
05-06-2009, 08:34 AM
Also I am pretty exicted for signing up for this. And for trying to make up a tentative list so that I can play with entering it.

Yay Erik.

roberto73
05-06-2009, 08:40 AM
At first I thought I'd take part in this little endeavor. Then I looked at the Excel spreadsheet I keep of all my albums. I own 2,951 albums spanning the years 2000-2009. Now I'm not sure I have the patience to winnow that down to 50.

mountmccabe
05-06-2009, 08:44 AM
Awww, but we want people who are familiar with a ton of albums to participate! A well informed electorate is an happy electorate.


I am glad we have a lot of time for this, though. And I need to go back and find my top 10 (etc) lists from the past 9 years.

BlackSwan
05-06-2009, 09:04 AM
That's a good idea if you don't want to think about every album you have listened to that came out this decade, just use your "best albums of the year" lists.

menikmati
05-06-2009, 09:25 AM
When the time passes that no one can go in and edit/add their lists anymore will we be able to see individual lists or filter out certain users/bands? I think it would be fun to play around with taking out Arcade Fire, Radiohead, White Stripes, etc. to see what are the smaller albums people choose.

Yes that would be possible.


It would also be cool to see which years are over/under-represented. I haven't been to the site yet, Erik, but is there a way we could enter the year the album was released?

That's a good idea.....I can add an extra field for year, but we just have to hope that the user will be smart enough to look up the correct year on wikipedia or something if he/she isn't sure.

TommyboyUNM
05-06-2009, 09:30 AM
That's a good idea if you don't want to think about every album you have listened to that came out this decade, just use your "best albums of the year" lists.


Plus, it's not like we're saving lives here. This is an end-of-decade list on a message board. I think everything will be ok if you omit a couple of albums.

kreutz2112
05-06-2009, 09:52 AM
we just have to hope that the user will be smart enough to look up the correct year on wikipedia or something if he/she isn't sure.

Maybe it's not such a good idea.

BlackSwan
05-06-2009, 09:59 AM
I can't wait to give people shit for including albums that didn't come out this decade on their list.

bmack86
05-06-2009, 11:09 AM
Get ready to give me shit, because the technical release date for my number 1 is November 1999, even though that was a limited edition japanese only box set release and the widespread release was 2001.

mountmccabe
05-06-2009, 11:14 AM
I wrote this 01/14/04


Honorables: Black Rebel Motor Cycle Club - Take Them On, On Your Own; Cursive - The Ugly Organ; Kaito UK - Band Red; The Kills - Keep On Your Mean Side; Mogwai - Happy Songs for Happy People; Spiritualized - Amazing Grace.

10. The White Stripes - Elephant - their fourth best album.
9. Pretty Girls Make Graves - The New Romance
8. The Shins - Chutes too Narrow
7. stellastarr* - stellastarr*
6. Placebo - Sleeping with Ghosts - I hesitated, I had gotten the idea that this was their "mature album," which normally means that now they're safe, mellow, uninteresting; that now they suck. This is Placebo's most mature album but not in any of those ways.
5. Grandaddy - Sumday
4. Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Fever to Tell - Yes, "Maps" is a good song, but an album of songs in that vein would not be on my list. An album of songs like "Black Tongue" and "No No No" is quite emphatically.
3. Radiohead - Hail to the Thief
2. Super Furry Animals - Phantom Power
1. The Decemberists - Her Majesty, the Decemberists - And catching them at like 4pm at Bumbershoot was an afterthought, a well we wanna get here early to be able to make sure to get wristbands to see the Mouse and, well, they weren't who I thought they were. And now the only reason their other album Castaways and Cutouts isn't right up here too is because it was originally release in 2001 or 2002.

mountmccabe
05-06-2009, 11:16 AM
And this 01/15/05


I'll start with the honorable mentions:
Budget Sinatra (local): Either Way I Win; Devendra Banhart: Rejoicing in the Hands; Detachment Kit: Of This Blood; Dios: Dios; The Libertines: The Libertines; Mission of Burma: On/Off/On; DJ Shadow: In Tune and On Time [CD/DVD]; Sons and Daughters: Love the Cup; Squarepusher: Ultravisitor; Tilly & the Wall: Wild Like Children.

* 10. Mountain Goats: We Shall All Be Healed
* 9. Earlimart: Treble and Tremble
* 8. Sonic Youth: Sonic Nurse
* 7. The Sun: Did Your Mother Tell You? - I liked Love & Death but their second EP is better.
* 6. Wilco: A Ghost Is Born
* 5. Clinic: Winchester Cathedral - I wasn't so excited about this after downloading "Vertical Take Off In Egypt" from the website before the album came out... then again an instrumental was an odd choice as an introductory song.
* 4. Modest Mouse: Good News for People Who Like Bad News - Last year it was the White Stripes that made the list with their 4th best album (out of 4.) Who will it be next year? [The upcoming Decemberists album will only be their 3rd, same for Electrelane... hmmm UPDATE: Tullycraft's upcoming will be their 4th. So they're in the running.]
* 3. Rilo Kiley: More Adventurous
* 2. Interpol: Antics - My favorite is "Take You on a Cruise." Usually.
* 1. Electrelane: The Power Out - I've talked about this album and this band a lot. 11 songs; 2 instrumentals, 1 in French, 1 in Spanish with lyrics taken from Juan Boscan and 1 in German with lyrics taken from Nietzsche... and this is a very reasonable progression from the first album which was almost entirely without vocals.

I will stop. For a while, at least.

bmack86
05-06-2009, 11:16 AM
That's quite an interesting list. I know I could have had White Stripes, PGMG, YYYs, Shins and Radiohead at that point, but I still didn't know many of the other bands, and I've never liked stellastarr*.

BlackSwan
05-06-2009, 11:24 AM
Get ready to give me shit, because the technical release date for my number 1 is November 1999, even though that was a limited edition japanese only box set release and the widespread release was 2001.

That one seems to make sense, and at least you are conscious of it.

hawkingvsreeve
05-06-2009, 11:26 AM
The guidelines are US release dates, so you are fine.

wmgaretjax
05-06-2009, 11:27 AM
That Electrelane album is sooooo good.

bmack86
05-06-2009, 11:39 AM
The guidelines are US release dates, so you are fine.

I think even that needs to be within reason though, because otherwise one of the apes may decide that Histoire de Melody Nelson is the best release of the decade since it finally got a US release this year.

wmgaretjax
05-06-2009, 11:41 AM
I hate that about a lot of Wire's top lists... too many entries are rereleases or box sets or new recordings of compositions...

psycobetabuckdown
05-06-2009, 12:03 PM
That Electrelane album is sooooo good.

I've only heard the one with the anchor on the cover, maybe it's time to buy another Electrelane album, or at least put it on my Amazon wishlist.

bmack86
05-06-2009, 05:15 PM
I made a playlist of my current top 50 and am now listening to it. I'm certain that my top 10 is right as far as what albums are there, although the order may change. This is fun!

menikmati
05-06-2009, 07:42 PM
http://ebombfilms.com/coachellaboard

you can go there to sign up (under your board name here!) to register and start working on your top 50 list.

TallGuyCM
05-06-2009, 10:19 PM
How do you save the list without submitting? I didn't see how to save and so I hit submit, and now my list is set and I can't find an edit button. Help?

Edit: Nevermind.

Boourns
05-06-2009, 11:38 PM
Fun times. I've been keeping an excel recently of every album of the 00's that I have/had/heard and rating them whenever I felt I was ready.

Still-ill
05-07-2009, 12:13 AM
Fun times. I've been keeping an excel recently of every album of the 00's that I have/had/heard and rating them whenever I felt I was ready.

Hahaha..
ditto :P

PassiveTheory
05-07-2009, 12:14 AM
Erik I'm having issues getting registered to your site.

menikmati
05-07-2009, 10:36 AM
how? you fill out the sign up form?

bmack86
05-07-2009, 10:38 AM
Maybe somebody else took PassiveTheory so they could topload their list with Junior Boys and Radiohead and Thievery Corp or something as an elaborate ploy?

BlackSwan
05-07-2009, 10:40 AM
I'm struggling with the decision between including both Gorillaz albums in my top 50, or just one. They are just both so fucking good, it's so hard to choose between them.

TallGuyCM
05-07-2009, 10:46 AM
I'm calling it now...Alter Bridge will be the most overlooked band as we make these lists...;)

Still-ill
05-07-2009, 10:47 AM
I'm struggling with the decision between including both Gorillaz albums in my top 50, or just one. They are just both so fucking good, it's so hard to choose between them.

Yeah I snuck them both in.

It's a real bitch to edit when you realize you forgot something as important Agaetis Byrjun... ugh, I'll just edit my list in a spreadsheet and re-do the whole list later. I think thats easier.

mountmccabe
05-07-2009, 11:00 AM
That's quite an interesting list. I know I could have had White Stripes, PGMG, YYYs, Shins and Radiohead at that point, but I still didn't know many of the other bands, and I've never liked stellastarr*.

I saw stellastarr* live a few times around when that first album came out. It still surprises me that I rated it that high (it will be nowhere near my top 50 of the 00s) but I did enjoy it significantly.

I am not sure I even got their second album.



That Electrelane album is sooooo good.

Seriously.

mountmccabe
05-07-2009, 11:03 AM
I will stop. For a while, at least.

My 2005 list, posted January 15, 2006.


Can't Forget the Following (Band/Album/Favorite song on that album)
Black Rebel Motorcycle Club - Howl - "Weight of the World"
Caribou - Milk of Human Kindness - "Barnowl"
the Decemberists - Picaresque - "The Mariner's Revenge Song"
Kathleen Edwards - Back to Me - "In State"
the Fiery Furnaces - Rehearsing My Choir - "A Candymaker's Knife"
Tim Fite - Gone Ain't Gone - "Not A Hit Song"
Low - the Great Destroyer - "Death of a Salesmen"
Mercury Rev - The Secret Migration - "Black Forest (Lorelei)"
the Mountain Goats - The Sunset Tree - "This Year"
the New Pornographers - Twin Cinema - "Sing Me Spanish Techno"
the Ravenonettes - Pretty in Black - "Somewhere In Texas"
Scout Niblett - Kidnapped by Neptune - "Fuck Treasure Island"
Sons & Daughters - The Repulsion Box - "Choked"
Stars - Set Yourself on Fire - "He Lied About Death"
the Sun - Blame it on the Youth - "Say Goodbye"

Top 10
10. Tullycraft - Disenchanted Hearts Unite -- Ridiculously fun and amazingly catchy. I can't say that this is my favorite Tullycraft but it is not their 4th best. This album is simply full of bouncy singles. Favorite: "Our Days in Kansas"
9. Sufjan Stevens - Come on Feel the Illinois -- This is a light and beautiful pop record. It is full of simple, gorgeous musical lines and big, bright and happy choruses. Favorite: "The Man of Metropolis Steals Our Hearts"
8. Rogue Wave - Descend Like Vultures -- It's fully the Rogue Wave rather than just Zach and the approach is fuller as a result. Favorite: "You"
7. Sigur Ros - Takk -- It doesn't have the scope or design of ( ) but their music remains grand in scope and vision and beautiful in execution. Favorite: "Glosoli"
6. Electrelane - Axes -- At this point I've listened to it who knows how many times but my thoughts are still the same, this CD is fantastic. The basic sound is like a blend of Rock It to the Moon and The Power Out but in a way that transcends either album. And any fears that the sound was moving inextricably away from the post-rocky goodness of Rock It have been fully assuaged. Favorite: "These Pockets Are People"/"The Partisan".
5. the Kills - No Wow -- Jamie has gotten better, more adventurous. This is why a somewhat plodding song like "Dead Road 7" still works ridiculously well. And there are better songs such as "Love is a Deserter" and "I Hate the Way You Love." What really blew me away about this album, though, is how Alison sounds on the revelatory "Rodeo Town." I had no idea she could sing like that, she could pull of a song like that. I will listen to anything she records. Favorite: "Rodeo Town"
4. Why? - Elephant Eyelash -- I don't know what to say. Until I heard it I had no idea music could be made like this. A blend of genres (indie rock, hip hop, rap) and a tendancy towards sonic experimentation leads to glorious pop songs like "Gemini (Birthday Song)" and passionate, intense songs like "Act Five." Such a good record. Favorite: "Whispers Into the Other"
3. Sleater-Kinney - The Woods -- If S-K call it over now it'll do a disservice to this album. Their last album will be seen as an abberation - or worse, as an experiment that broke up the band (regardless of the reality.) An addtional album would also be beneficial for the live show; allow them to work old songs in with the new; to show that they fit together. Oh, and by the way, the songs on this album are just seering. Favorite: "Jumpers"
2. Okkervil River - Black Sheep Boy -- One listen and I was hooked. The music is strong but it is the lyrical richness that has kept me coming back. There are big and glorious rock songs and soft, tender pieces... and the imagery and themes in the words hold it all together. And the Black Sheep Boy Appendix EP is way good too. Favorite: "So Come Back, I Am Waiting"
1. Broken Social Scene - Broken Social Scene -- I don't know how they did it but they topped You Forgot it in People. The singles are at first glance not singles but once you stick with them they are just so full, musically that they are a joy to behold. I'd name songs but I wouldn't stop. There isn't a misstep on this disc. Favorite: "Ibi Dreams of Pavement"

Also, for the record, other than searching this board/Oldboard I don't know where any more recent lists would be.

mountmccabe
05-07-2009, 11:05 AM
Also from the reverent talk around here regarding The Woods it sounds like I was way off there.

bmack86
05-07-2009, 11:07 AM
Do you still agree that BSS is better than YFIIP? The Woods might be my favorite thing from 05.

TallGuyCM
05-07-2009, 11:18 AM
Ha! I'm reading this one guy's list online and he has Sugar Ray's self-titled album above Kid A. luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuulzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

mountmccabe
05-07-2009, 11:57 AM
Do you still agree that BSS is better than YFIIP? The Woods might be my favorite thing from 05.

Yes, I still hold that opinion.

Also I need to listen to The Woods in earnest again. Maybe why I wrote that is because that was how I was feeling about the album. Though
that doesn't make sense what with me rating it that high.

Though maybe I feared that that was how the album would seem to me if they didn't release anything else and didn't play a good amount of shows o support it.

Cause that basically sums up how I feel now. When I think of S-K I never think of The Woods. Listening to that album would not scratch an S-K itch.

bmack86
05-07-2009, 12:02 PM
For me, that was what finally made Sleater Kinney what I wanted them to be. Before, I always loved the reviews and really liked some of the albums, but that one just kills it.

Monklish
05-07-2009, 12:07 PM
Sleater Kinney is the single worst live performance I've ever witnessed.

The correct answer, boys, is either Lateralus or Kid A. Sorry.

bmack86
05-07-2009, 12:16 PM
FOr the best album of 2005?

Monklish
05-07-2009, 12:24 PM
I was replying to the thread title.

Tylerdurden31
05-07-2009, 12:28 PM
For me, that was what finally made Sleater Kinney what I wanted them to be. Before, I always loved the reviews and really liked some of the albums, but that one just kills it.

agreed.

One Beat was great, but that first time I heard the opening rockage of The Fox sealed it for me. Sleater-Kinney rocked harder and better than most bands on The Woods.

JebusLives
05-07-2009, 04:29 PM
Sleater Kinney is the single worst live performance I've ever witnessed.

The correct answer, boys, is either Lateralus or Kid A. Sorry.

At Coachella? Man S-K was bad. Textbook example of how most women have no idea how Rock & Roll works. That was my first exposure to them, and I was thrilled when they announced it was their final tour.

hawkingvsreeve
05-07-2009, 04:31 PM
At Coachella? Man S-K was bad. Textbook example of how most women have no idea how Rock & Roll works. That was my first exposure to them, and I was thrilled when they announced it was their final tour.

They would all beat the shit out of you.

The Woods was excellent.

bmack86
05-07-2009, 04:33 PM
Yeah, I have no clue what you guys are talking about. When I saw them on that tour, they had tons of energy and the songs were just huge.

SoulDischarge
05-07-2009, 05:02 PM
I really love Call The Doctor. The first time I heard it I thought it kind of sucked, but after awhile I couldn't get it out of my head ever. "They want to socialize you . . . " fifty times a day.

BlackSwan
05-07-2009, 05:06 PM
Textbook example of how most women have no idea how Rock & Roll works.

Really?

goldfromla
05-07-2009, 05:32 PM
daft punk-alive 2007
my number 1 album of all time

bmack86
05-07-2009, 05:35 PM
voomcha

mountmccabe
05-07-2009, 05:51 PM
I really love Call The Doctor. The first time I heard it I thought it kind of sucked, but after awhile I couldn't get it out of my head ever. "They want to socialize you . . . " fifty times a day.

That song is certainly my favorite song of theirs. It's pretty high on my list of favorite songs of ever, even.

But I usually conclude that Out Dig Me is my favorite.


Also I listened to The Woods at work today and damn, it is a piece of work. Not ideal listening conditions but what I was going to say earlier - that while it was def more rockin' it was so unlike the other albums in songcraft - was totes off.

MissingPerson
05-07-2009, 05:52 PM
At Coachella? Man S-K was bad. Textbook example of how most women have no idea how Rock & Roll works.


:nono

I renounce you, Jebus. Now and forever.

JebusLives
05-07-2009, 07:53 PM
:nono

I renounce you, Jebus. Now and forever.

But I was just coming back in here to declare "Funeral" the best of the decade! (Seriously, that's actually why I clicked this thread again)

Please do not stray, my child!

hawkingvsreeve
05-07-2009, 08:07 PM
But there are girls in Arcade Fire.

JebusLives
05-07-2009, 08:48 PM
But there are girls in Arcade Fire.

I said "most". Love me some Kim Gordon, Karen O, Ladytron etc. I stand by the gist of my broad generalization, however.

mountmccabe
05-07-2009, 08:56 PM
My conception of how many albums fit into a Top 50 Albums of the Decade list is flawed.

bmack86
05-07-2009, 09:22 PM
Jebus, you should listen to The Woods. It's an amazing, powerful, fully thought out record. It kicks so much ass.

Boourns
05-07-2009, 09:48 PM
So right now I have 250 albums from the 00's on my spreadsheet, and only 136 have a rating (most were just given a general rating for sorting purposes, with decimals to be worked out later). 94 so far have a rating between a 7 and a 10, so this is going to be rough.

TallGuyCM
05-08-2009, 12:47 AM
daft punk-alive 2007
my number 1 album of all time

Shouldn't count. For the same reason that the Eagles' Greatest Hits is not the best-selling album of all-time like Billboard would like you to believe. It's not an album.

JebusLives
05-08-2009, 07:59 AM
I think Alive 2007 should count... it is a unique 21st century mix of music. Many of the samples are from the 90s (some are from the 70s) but the songs as provided are unique to this decade.

A greatest hits, yeah, but Alive 2007 is no compilation.

bmack86
05-08-2009, 08:15 AM
It counts. Live records are still albums.

mountmccabe
05-08-2009, 08:17 AM
I have some live records that are not albums.

bmack86
05-08-2009, 08:18 AM
Me too. Live albums are albums, I suppose.

mountmccabe
05-08-2009, 08:19 AM
Live recordings can certainly be albums. My first thought here is Jandek... but it doesn't have to be that extreme of a case. Compilations can be albums, too.


And, really, for something like this, it will self-regulate. Most folks won't count/consider singles or EPs or live discs and as a result they won't end up getting many points.

Throw away your votes, who cares, it won't hurt anything.

mountmccabe
05-08-2009, 08:23 AM
Though maybe my thoughts are biased by not, generally, caring for live albums. There've been some that I've loved but, really, I became much less interested once I started going to a lot of shows.

Live and studio recorded are very different things and both have their charms but "live recording" generally tends to be the worst of both rather than the best.

kreutz2112
05-08-2009, 08:24 AM
What about bootlegs. Because, while Alive 2007 is good, I prefer the Coachella 2006 bootleg. Not saying it's making my list, but it's a legitimate question. Maybe.

bmack86
05-08-2009, 08:26 AM
Personally, I don't think a bootleg should be able to make it. The band had no intention of it being released as an artistic statement. Not to say that's a guideline, but that's how I'm approaching it.

TallGuyCM
05-08-2009, 08:39 AM
Yeah, at least live albums are official releases by the band. Definite no to bootlegs.

JebusLives
05-08-2009, 11:54 AM
Jebus, you should listen to The Woods. It's an amazing, powerful, fully thought out record. It kicks so much ass.

I'll give it a spin, then, and let you know.

psycobetabuckdown
05-11-2009, 02:30 PM
At Coachella? Man S-K was bad. Textbook example of how most women have no idea how Rock & Roll works. That was my first exposure to them, and I was thrilled when they announced it was their final tour.

I don't even recall them announcing that, and was surprised/relieved like a year later when I found out they broke up. I think I just didn't hear because I was doing my best to tune them the hell out. No one enjoyed that performance, don't lie. Unless you enjoy listening to someone claw a chalkboard for 50 minutes.

hawkingvsreeve
05-11-2009, 02:41 PM
What about bootlegs. Because, while Alive 2007 is good, I prefer the Coachella 2006 bootleg. Not saying it's making my list, but it's a legitimate question. Maybe.

Of all the recordings of that tour I have heard, Coachella's is still easily my favorite.


Oh, Adam.




















We belong to the light
We belong to the thunder
We belong to the sound of the words
Weve both fallen under
Whatever we deny or embrace
For worse or for better
We belong, we belong
We belong together

Still-ill
05-18-2009, 07:12 PM
Is everyone still thinking about this?

bmack86
05-18-2009, 07:26 PM
Oh hell yes.

BlackSwan
05-18-2009, 07:48 PM
Very much so.

TommyboyUNM
05-18-2009, 07:56 PM
Yeah. So far there's an embarrassing lack of diversity in my top 50. And it's not just because of Radiohead.

psycobetabuckdown
05-18-2009, 09:47 PM
I'm thinking about it, it's been in the back of my mind. I just don't feel the rush to start compiling it. Plus, I'm still giving some more CD's a chance that I haven't got around to yet.

Still-ill
05-18-2009, 09:50 PM
Im having a great time going back in the years and picking up stuff I missed.

wmgaretjax
05-21-2009, 01:39 PM
my list is down to 125... now the hard part.

BlackSwan
05-21-2009, 01:53 PM
I've been working the other way starting with all the albums I definitely want on my list. I'm up to around 35 right now.

mountmccabe
05-21-2009, 02:02 PM
I have been taking much the same approach. I started with my yearly top 10 lists and after that have been going year by year. I am though 2005 and have 64 albums that need to fit in my top 50.

wmgaretjax
05-21-2009, 02:19 PM
I've been working the other way starting with all the albums I definitely want on my list. I'm up to around 35 right now.

Yeah that's how I started. All of my previous lists, and albums from other lists that I'd bookmarked at one point in time. After that I had nearly 500 albums. Then I went back through and trimmed it down pretty quickly to 200. I've been slowly chipping away at them since. These last 25 are gonna be really painful to cut out.

I've reached a bit of a weird problem in that there are artists I feel like should be represented in my list... But I respect their body of work more than I do a specific album. I just wasn't able to fit John Wiese in, no matter how hard I tried.

Still-ill
06-30-2009, 10:12 PM
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff266/oughtumn/Bump.jpg

JebusLives
07-01-2009, 08:48 AM
Decade isn't over until December 31, 2010, FYI.

hawkingvsreeve
07-01-2009, 08:50 AM
We count differently. All the cool kids are doing it.

kreutz2112
07-01-2009, 09:13 AM
So the decade started Jan 1, 2001?

hawkingvsreeve
07-01-2009, 09:33 AM
So after scouring my computer it appears that I deleted my master list of albums from the decade that I have heard, as well as my most up to date rankings. Fuck. Thank you again Erik for making that site, as I at least have about the top 25 to start over from.

Still-ill
07-01-2009, 12:19 PM
Ouch man, that sucks..

psycobetabuckdown
07-13-2009, 06:24 PM
Do you count System of a Down's double album as one album or Hypnotize and Mezmerize separately? Yes, I thought they were both good. No, I'm not 100% sure that they're making my final 50.

edit: menik, I found the site so you can disregard my pm. thanks for making it, it's great!

PotVsKtl
07-13-2009, 06:47 PM
http://www.mbvmusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/windspoem.jpg

hawkingvsreeve
07-13-2009, 06:50 PM
I would count them as separate being that (at least from what I have read) they were not packaged or sold together. They have 6 months or so between release dates.

RotationSlimWang
07-13-2009, 06:50 PM
Wind's Poem? Did you get raped or something?

Still-ill
07-13-2009, 07:16 PM
Will we be able to view people's individual lists when it's all said and done?

psycobetabuckdown
07-13-2009, 07:22 PM
I would count them as separate being that (at least from what I have read) they were not packaged or sold together. They have 6 months or so between release dates.

Yeah, I would tend to agree except the cases are designed to be connected and there is a continuity between the intro on Mezmerize and the finale on Hypnotize.

I think it is more like Kill Bill Vol. 1 and 2 than Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions. However, I would like to know what Menik thinks, or maybe a majority opinion would help. I'd prefer together because if one goes on my list I would have a hard time excluding the other, and I would rather they don't take up two spaces.


Will we be able to view people's individual lists when it's all said and done?

+1. I'm okay with waiting until January to see individual lists because that will keep suspense up and mine isn't ordered correctly or finished, but either way I would love to see indy lists.

hawkingvsreeve
07-13-2009, 07:47 PM
I see what you are saying but they were charted separately by Billboard, thus making them separate releases. They received separate reviews and again were packaged and sold separately. Conceptually they could be considered one release for the reasons you stated and also being that they were recorded at the same time, but on technicalities I would argue they should be counted individually. I would loosely relate it to Machina and Machina II by the Pumpkins, but the situations behind those releases were not the same as the SOAD ones. Anyway.

Separate.

Still-ill
07-13-2009, 07:49 PM
+1. I'm okay with waiting until January to see individual lists because that will keep suspense up and mine isn't ordered correctly or finished, but either way I would love to see indy lists.
Yeah obviously seeing them now would be awkward.

menikmati
07-14-2009, 10:19 AM
I think it is more like Kill Bill Vol. 1 and 2 than Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions. However, I would like to know what Menik thinks, or maybe a majority opinion would help. I'd prefer together because if one goes on my list I would have a hard time excluding the other, and I would rather they don't take up two spaces.

I didn't/don't make the rules for this....so it's better to ask others (hawking, bmack etc...). I just made a site to make it easier.

wmgaretjax
07-14-2009, 10:29 AM
The two albums together would be a compilation because they were released separately before. My vote would be no compilations...

kreutz2112
07-14-2009, 10:33 AM
My vote would be that no one discredits their list by considering System of a Down a potential candidate.

psycobetabuckdown
07-14-2009, 06:08 PM
oh okay it's settled then.

how about that carlos boozer?

hawkingvsreeve
07-15-2009, 01:02 AM
Carlos who?


I finished my list. I imagine some things will move around a bit, but here are snippets that I think will not be found on other lists (either the albums themselves or the ranking I gave them).


03 M83 - Saturdays = Youth
13 Mew - And the Glass Handed Kites
24 The Cardigans - Long Gone Before Daylight
29 Kanye West - 808s & Heartbreak
47 Madonna - Confessions on a Dancefloor


It's tempting to keep going up to 100, but really who gives a shit about 51 - 100? Nobody.

roboticwaltz
07-15-2009, 01:09 AM
Remove 808s, immediately. it is garbage.

psycobetabuckdown
07-15-2009, 11:34 AM
You liked 808s?

Man, I need to listen to M83 some more. Not once did I even consider it might be better than my top 3, which are almost surely going to be Tool, Radiohead and Arcade Fire (or Portishead)

Still-ill
07-15-2009, 11:35 AM
Carlos who?


I finished my list. I imagine some things will move around a bit, but here are snippets that I think will not be found on other lists (either the albums themselves or the ranking I gave them).


03 M83 - Saturdays = Youth
13 Mew - And the Glass Handed Kites
24 The Cardigans - Long Gone Before Daylight
29 Kanye West - 808s & Heartbreak
47 Madonna - Confessions on a Dancefloor


It's tempting to keep going up to 100, but really who gives a shit about 51 - 100? Nobody.

M83 saturdays=youth is an album that I instantly liked, and it slowly burned into love, I think I have it at like 11 on my list.

hawkingvsreeve
07-15-2009, 12:16 PM
I really like 808s. I know it wasnt for everybody, but it came out of left field for me and just did everything right.

And yeah, that M83 record. Amazing.

wmgaretjax
07-15-2009, 12:18 PM
That Madonna album is 1/2 rad... the rest just doesn't click for me.

Boourns
07-15-2009, 12:36 PM
M83 > Dead Cities > Before the Dawn > Saturdays >>> Digital Shades

kreutz2112
07-15-2009, 01:14 PM
And the Glass Handed Kites may be on my list. Unless Frengers came out this decade. Did Frengers come out this decade? I like Frengers more.

hawkingvsreeve
07-15-2009, 01:39 PM
It did, 2003 I think. Frengers is just a little too cheeseball for me. It has some cool stuff on it though.

psycobetabuckdown
07-16-2009, 02:49 PM
M83 has five albums? Damn. I hate having their fourth best album on my list just because I haven't heard the other three.

BlackSwan
07-16-2009, 02:55 PM
Saturdays = Youth is pretty different from the others.

JebusLives
07-16-2009, 06:08 PM
Sonic Youth's Sonic Nurse is, IMO, one of their best albums and easily one of my favorites of the decade.

Death From Above's You're a Woman, I'm a Machine is a shoe-in.

Cut Copy should be on there as well... their second album is still strong after 12 months and way too many listens.

The rest of my suggestions have already been integrated.

psycobetabuckdown
07-20-2009, 03:34 PM
i have you're a woman but haven't listened to it much, and i should pick up sonic youth and cut copy at some point, good suggestions

Neutral Milk Hotel
08-13-2009, 03:03 AM
1. Yankee Hotel Foxtrot-Wilco
2. Kid A-Radiohead
3. Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven-Godspeed You! Black Emperor
4. The Drift-Scott Walker
5. Source Tags & Codes-...And You Will Know Us By the Trail of Dead
6. Funeral-The Arcade Fire
7. You Forgot It In People-Broken Social Scene
8. The Blueprint-Jay-Z
9. Boys and Girls in America-The Hold Steady
10. You Are Free-Cat Power

Still-ill
08-13-2009, 09:10 AM
This list has been worth it just for the amount of music I've listened to from other peoples lists.

psycobetabuckdown
08-13-2009, 10:35 AM
Yeah I can't afford to buy a bunch of new albums so maybe I'll make a list of interesting stuff on these lists and torrent the shit out of them

wmgaretjax
08-15-2009, 02:00 PM
gorilla vs. bear's favorite albums of the decade | 2000-2009

01 panda bear | person pitch (2007)
02 the strokes | is this it (2001)
03 ghostface killah | supreme clientele (2000)
04 outkast | stankonia (2000)
05 radiohead | kid A (2000)
06 j dilla | donuts (2006)
07 sufjan stevens | michigan (2003)
08 burial | untrue (2007)
09 joanna newsom | the milk-eyed mender (2004)
10 m.i.a. + diplo | piracy funds terrorism vol. I (2004)
11 sigur ros | Ágætis Byrjun (2000*)
12 the arcade fire | funeral (2004)
13 white denim | fits (2009)
14 animal collective | feels (2005)
15 the streets | a grand don't come for free (2004)
16 grizzly bear | veckatimest (2009)
17 clipse | hell hath no fury (2006)
18 beach house | devotion (2008)
19 madvillain | madvillainy (2004)
20 the knife | silent shout (2006)


a good list barring the streets and white denim... even if I'm not a big strokes fan.

PassiveTheory
08-15-2009, 02:09 PM
I'm surprised Beach House is up that high.

wmgaretjax
08-15-2009, 02:43 PM
I'm surprised Beach House is up that high.

you wouldn't be if you read gvb much... they have been screaming from the rooftops about them since the beginning.

kreutz2112
08-15-2009, 02:52 PM
I'm surprised michigan was included over illinois.