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blankspots
04-22-2009, 05:32 PM
I get that Goldenvoice gets fined $1000 for every minute that a band plays past 12:01 am because theyíre violating a noise ordinance. But címon. Youíve got to know a bandís style when youíre booking them, right? I mean, The Cure almost always plays 3 hours and usually more. Not to mention that it's not enforced for some bands, and then strictly enforced for others. Like when the police escorted Mos Def offstage in the middle of his song only a couple minutes after midnight, but Prince, Roger Waters, and Paul McCartney have played as long as they wanted. I love all of these bands and I think they should all be treated equally.

There's 2 options here: Goldenvoice should either figure in fines as just another cost of doing business or they should just tell Indio to suck it and theyíll take their income-producing festival elsewhere. Jesus, like Indio canít put up with 3 nights out of the year (0.8%!). Buy some earplugs for chrissake!

Bendulum
04-22-2009, 06:08 PM
I'm glad Sasquatch doesn't have that problem.
The location is far from any residential area, separated by a massive gorge,
and The Cure played last year till ~1 or 1:30am.

cansei de ser sexme
04-22-2009, 06:15 PM
well the cure did end up getting around 3 hours right?

DFrank
04-22-2009, 07:16 PM
Isnt Coachella Indio's biggest thing that happens to them all year? Thousands of people flowing in and spending money in their desert town...If the festival went until 2am it would make all the difference-->i.e the sahara tent

Cpt. Funkaho
04-22-2009, 07:23 PM
Isnt Coachella Indio's biggest thing that happens to them all year? Thousands of people flowing in and spending money in their desert town...If the festival went until 2am it would make all the difference-->i.e the sahara tent

You're forgetting other major events that happen in Indio, like the National Date Festival (http://www.datefest.org/).

You think I'm joking, but I'm not. Apparently the date festival has attendance of nearly 300,000.

Boourns
04-22-2009, 09:21 PM
A thousand dollars a minute is a drop in the bucket compared to the $500k+ that the Cure gets per show, seriously. Just let them fucking play.

Redundant567
04-22-2009, 10:56 PM
Well, you can't forget the Empire Polo Fields are right next to La Quinta, an area that is very profitable already and highly residential. I know the music from the festival can be heard in these neighborhoods, and most of the stores that Coachella attendees go to are in this city. There are a lot of people there that don't want to be kept up late by the music, its understandable. Yeah its an inconvenience for us who want to hear it longer, but a lot of people are affected by the festival who don't want it there. I think a fine is acceptable, Goldenvoice probably goes over this issue with the artists beforehand and either makes them pay it or GV understands it has an "extra" fee for some of its headliners.

Carnie100
04-22-2009, 10:59 PM
All those old retiree couples should just take out their hearing aids and go to bed. Jesus.

Stop griping about it, it's only 3 days a year.

Laura owns you
04-22-2009, 11:05 PM
i would be pissed if i lived in indio and coachella let their artists play past midnite.

because wouldn't that also mean that the artists at Stagecoach get to play late?????

thats not OK.

Boourns
04-23-2009, 12:30 AM
It's just a place where old people go to quit IRL forever. That, and Florida.

boarderwoozel3
04-23-2009, 12:39 AM
Well, they dropped the hammer on the Cure this year after giving them some wiggle room. Whatever, the main attractions will continue to play-on untouched and the lesser acts will continue to be case by case calls. So it goes...

The Mos Def thing is bullshit racism, plain and simple.

DFrank
04-23-2009, 01:06 AM
Hmm...I vote for a giant sound-proof dome to cover the polo fields after midnight.

tigermilkboy
04-23-2009, 01:24 PM
GV really can't tell the Indio City Council to stuff their noise ordinances, otherwise the festival will get pulled.

The differences between Mos Def and headliners on the Main Stage is crowd. A Main Stage act will be given some leeway by the police chief/GV/city officials, because pulling the plug at exactly midnite can incite a big crowd.
I did read that Indio officials expressed concern that cut-off times were being ignored last year. It will be interesting what the outcome will be for next year. I expect the curfew to be moved 5-10mins before midnight. It is possible Indio will want tougher sanctions.

At the end of the day, it is a residential area and the residents control the electorate. If the residents start getting upset then life gets difficult for GV.

JebusLives
04-23-2009, 01:41 PM
Every year, they blow over the curfew just enough to appear punk rock, without getting their license pulled. Seems 'bout right to me.

Leeartlee
04-23-2009, 01:45 PM
Every year, they blow over the curfew just enough to appear punk rock, without getting their license pulled. Seems 'bout right to me.

lol, so true. GV is keeping it reeyal

tafoyachris
04-23-2009, 01:50 PM
well with such an organized festival, i would think that the coachella bosses would figure on having the main acts start a little earlier so that they can have their 3 hours. the residents/council of coachella have their say, and that's that; that's the way it should be. it is a stupid little thing to complain about, it is only for 3 days....but then again some people love to complain and will look for any reason to.

shakur
04-23-2009, 02:55 PM
seriously these old people need to all find a new location to live in..

ghoulina
04-23-2009, 03:47 PM
The money isn't the problem, my bloody valentine playing in the cure's time is the problem.

Devin the Dude
04-23-2009, 03:58 PM
Every year, they blow over the curfew just enough to appear punk rock, without getting their license pulled. Seems 'bout right to me.

that might be the least punk rock thing i have ever heard.

M Sparks
04-24-2009, 01:14 PM
I have this vision of old rich people who actually are sitting up until midnight, waiting for the noise to stop. "Thank God...finally I can sleep!" Nonsense. If any locals were annoyed, it's going to be during MBV, or some heavy bass from someone, or any number of things that happen well before midnight. Nobody was complaining about Paul McCartney going past midnight.

It's totally arbitrary bullshit, and we should probably be glad it isn't worse. Mesa Amphitheatre not only has a TEN O'CLOCK curfew, but they can get fined just for exceeding a certain SPL for more than 5 seconds. (or something like that.)

GV should plan ahead more though...even though everyone seemed to think it was crazy to start The Cure at 9:30, it probably should have been 8:45 or 9:00. And the headliner hardly ever goes on time anyway, so they should be accounting for at least an extra 15 minutes for that.

EDIT...actually, they should probably consider scheduling the main stage to end around 11 anyway. That way, if they go late, no big deal, and it will help start clearing the parking lot out a bit early. I thought Sunday in '08 worked great...Waters played until around 11, and then Justice kicked in. I got to leave early, or, if there had been, say, Prodigy instead of Justice, I could have booked over and saw them without missing any of the headliner.

tigermilkboy
04-24-2009, 04:13 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8016245.stm

Sir Paul McCartney may have landed the Coachella music festival in trouble with the authorities after his late night performance overran.

Sir Paul, 66, who was the headline act at the weekend's Californian event, played for an extra 54 minutes.

Under laws put in place by the area's local authority, promoters Goldenvoice are liable for a £1,000 fine for every minute of music played after midnight.

The exact penalty is expected to be announced in a few weeks.

Agreed time

The Killers and The Cure, who also played at the weekend festival, also overran their late night performances.

Police spokesman Ben Guitron confirmed The Killers had played an extra 30 minutes and The Cure overran by 33 minutes.

He explained it was up to the police to remind the promoter that the concert should wrap up at the agreed time, but they were not responsible for ending it.

There's nothing against the artists specifically, but someone has to be time-keeper

Ben Guitron, police spokesman
"There's nothing against the artists specifically, but someone has to be time keeper," he said.

"In regards to Mr McCartney, the audience really applauded his performance and so he played encores."

The law has been in place for several years and was agreed to appease local residents who do not like loud music at night.

Mr Guitron said it was not the first time an artist at Coachella had overrun their set.

Last year Prince's performance ran over time, but Mr Guitron could not recall whether Goldenvoice had incurred a fine for it.



Don't know if this is a GV push for publicity or really an issue. But I wouldn't be surprised if Indio makes GV pay this time given Indio has some budgetary shortfalls. Seems like Indio City officials could cream $100K for the city.

fatbastard
04-25-2009, 10:40 AM
Mos Def just IM'd me. He said to shut the fuck up and LONG LIVE COACHELLA!!!

PrettyRagdoll
04-25-2009, 11:11 AM
It's just a place where old people go to quit IRL forever. That, and Florida.

sigged

NightGoat
04-25-2009, 11:20 AM
Honestly, fuck the neighbors who were bitching and complaining. I was able to sleep just fine with loud music in the distance, a rave dome within walking distance, and drum circles right next to my fucking head and these people can't deal with a little noise past midnight? We shouldn't have to get the festival shut down just because a few people are too lazy to go down to Wal-Mart and buy some sleeping pills and ear plugs

Amneeziac
04-25-2009, 12:17 PM
Amneeziac's list of things Goldenvoice needs to do
Call Thom Yorke. Call David Bowie. Call Thomas Bangalter. Call Jeff Mangum.

Sold out 2010!

righteousdnk
04-25-2009, 01:09 PM
When I hear about things like this, it aids my slowly declining faith in humanity. Three days of a fucking year, not even weekdays! Maybe when this senior generation fades and the new one takes over this will be less of a problem. That statement is 100% subjective though because there are always exceptions to the generalizations.

Devin the Dude
04-26-2009, 09:37 AM
since when does anyone give a shit what old people say?

TheWatcher
04-26-2009, 09:47 AM
i would be pissed if i lived in indio and coachella let their artists play past midnite.

because wouldn't that also mean that the artists at Stagecoach get to play late?????

thats not OK.

:rotfl

beavington
04-27-2009, 08:05 AM
The Mos Def thing is bullshit racism, plain and simple.


or maybe they just dont like rap music.

ecause then Prince wouldve been shut off too..
everything isnt racism...

lurker_with_a_bush
04-27-2009, 08:09 AM
I get that Goldenvoice gets fined $1000 for every minute that a band plays past 12:01 am because theyíre violating a noise ordinance. But címon. Youíve got to know a bandís style when youíre booking them, right? I mean, The Cure almost always plays 3 hours and usually more. Not to mention that it's not enforced for some bands, and then strictly enforced for others. Like when the police escorted Mos Def offstage in the middle of his song only a couple minutes after midnight, but Prince, Roger Waters, and Paul McCartney have played as long as they wanted. I love all of these bands and I think they should all be treated equally.

There's 2 options here: Goldenvoice should either figure in fines as just another cost of doing business or they should just tell Indio to suck it and theyíll take their income-producing festival elsewhere. Jesus, like Indio canít put up with 3 nights out of the year (0.8%!). Buy some earplugs for chrissake!

To those that got maced, and were forced down off someones artwork, please heed the message (if there really is one) in this.

lurker_with_a_bush
04-27-2009, 08:10 AM
seriously these old people need to all find a new location to live in..

Karma, that's all I am going to call on this one.

M Sparks
04-27-2009, 08:34 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8016245.stm
promoters Goldenvoice are liable for a £1,000 fine

I'm a little worried that BBC News doesn't understand that Dollars & Pounds aren't equal. I expect more from them.

TomAz
04-27-2009, 09:00 AM
this thread has more self-righteous pricks than a Bono benefit concert. jesus people, do you hear yourselves?

"the law shouldn't apply to me because I'm special" is one of the most vacuous statements a person can make.

chairmenmeow47
04-27-2009, 09:03 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8016245.stm
Under laws put in place by the area's local authority, promoters Goldenvoice are liable for a £1,000 fine for every minute of music played after midnight.

1000 pounds does not equal 1000 dollars!!!

*directed at article writer*

JebusLives
04-27-2009, 09:06 AM
"the law shouldn't apply to me because I'm special" is one of the most vacuous statements a person can make.

"the law shouldn't apply, because it is unjust/silly/counter-productive" is a fair argument to make, don't you agree?

TomAz
04-27-2009, 09:08 AM
It's not your law. It's the law of the people who live there. They can make their laws as they see fit based on their own priorities. Who are we to tell them differently? Jesus.

TomAz
04-27-2009, 09:09 AM
Also, what the hell is "unjust" about a noise ordinance? That's just goofy.

obzen
04-27-2009, 09:13 AM
yes,goofy,thats it-thats the word i was looking for...

Devin the Dude
04-27-2009, 10:11 AM
or maybe they just dont like rap music.

ecause then Prince wouldve been shut off too..
everything isnt racism...

haha you think prince is black.

JebusLives
04-27-2009, 10:14 AM
It's not your law. It's the law of the people who live there. They can make their laws as they see fit based on their own priorities. Who are we to tell them differently? Jesus.

and we can suggest improvements to their laws if they want to keep our business. Who are you to tell us differently? Jesus.

Its a silly law, and I don't see why we shouldn't encourage Indio to change it. Do you just feel like being argumentative, or do you really think that local laws should never be questioned by outsiders? 'cause I have a great Sharia law analogy all lined up for you.

TomAz
04-27-2009, 10:37 AM
Are you really comparing a local noise ordinance to Sharia law? This is exactly what I am talking about when I talk about people in this thread being absurdly self-righteous.

There is nothing unreasonable about a noise ordinance. They are very common. Most towns have them. This is not a woman being stoned for having sex, this is keep it down after midnight or get fined.

the "I give you a lot of money so you should let us make noise all night" argument is specious. Since when does money give you more rights? That's George W Bush style thinking right there.

When we come to Coachella we are guests. We should respect our hosts, not whine like a bunch of spoiled self-centered fucktards.


Sharia law. Jesus christ.

M Sparks
04-27-2009, 10:47 AM
One point...and I'm not necessarily on either side of this argument...it's not really the same thing as a typical noise ordinance, because it's targeted. It's a law that really only applies to one only organization at this time. I'm not a big fan of city councils who try to shape the law to fit their agenda or benefit themselves. I'd like to read the actual wording of the law. (Actually, do we even know if it's a law, or just a condition of their permit?)

In my city, there was a initiative put on the ballot that was specifically designed to keep Super Walmart out of town, even though it never mentioned Walmart. It failed (the people spoke) but the council still made zoning changes that were designed to kill Super Walmart. (Meanwhile, the country also flat-out banned any store over 80,000 square feet, to keep Super Walmart from buying land right outside the city limits.)

Anyway, the council smugly made the changes, and wound up accidentally killing plans for a Lowes and a couple of other projects people supported. Six months later, Super Walmart came back with a brand new set of plans that got around the zoning changes. So HOORAY, now they are building a TWO story Super Walmart (with parking garage) on a nice patch of forest in the middle of town.

OK, so I'm totally off topic, but I'd say a large number of city laws do not necessarily represent "the people who live there." This was designed to extort money for the city. If they cared about noise so much, they would require inspectors to be standing by the sound boards, and everything WOULD be cut off at midnight. And if there really were people living nearby who cared, they would rather have that strict cutoff than a ridiculously huge fine.

That said, I don't think Midnight is an absurd cutoff time, and as I said before, we're lucky it's not worse.

psycobetabuckdown
04-27-2009, 11:22 AM
If it's a law, you should be able to find it on the googles. If it's simply part of Goldenvoice's contract with Indio, you will never see it.

PrettyRagdoll
04-27-2009, 11:31 AM
haha you think prince is black.

You are kidding right?

JebusLives
04-27-2009, 12:01 PM
Are you really comparing a local noise ordinance to Sharia law? This is exactly what I am talking about when I talk about people in this thread being absurdly self-righteous.

There is nothing unreasonable about a noise ordinance. They are very common. Most towns have them. This is not a woman being stoned for having sex, this is keep it down after midnight or get fined.

the "I give you a lot of money so you should let us make noise all night" argument is specious. Since when does money give you more rights? That's George W Bush style thinking right there.

When we come to Coachella we are guests. We should respect our hosts, not whine like a bunch of spoiled self-centered fucktards.


Sharia law. Jesus christ.

*sigh* Sharia law would serve just fine for the purposes of analogy, you know very well I wasn't trying to say they were similar in magnitude. Both are laws enacted by other people, both of which I am entitled to disagree with. The difference is that 1 of them isn't offensive to you personally, so you think we shouldn't be allowed to even voice our opinions about it.

The noise bylaws don't affect ME, they affect my host (who I DO respect): Goldenvoice. GV brings in tons of money to Indio every year, and then gets fined for making a bit of noise after midnight. I think they deserve better treatment. My hometown has draconian noise bylaws as well, and that's one of the reasons I have to fly to freaking California to get my outdoor concert fix.

Money doesn't GIVE us rights, but money does give us bargaining power. And we are making our opinions heard.

George Bush? Jesus Christ.

If your purpose for coming to a freaking MESSAGE BOARD is to tell us that we shouldn't post our opinions here, then you can go penetrate yourself with a sharp object.

TomAz
04-27-2009, 12:24 PM
So then let GV bargain an exemption to the noise ordinance. As a negotiation, a quid pro quo, a part of a business deal, that's fine, it makes sense. What I am objecting to is you and others making this into a moral crusade when no moral outrage is anywhere close to being justified. GV are big boys; they have money and lawyers; if they want to negotiate a noise deal, good for them. It's not like they are victims of an oppressive local government, which is how you people have painted this picture.

JebusLives
04-27-2009, 12:33 PM
So then let GV bargain an exemption to the noise ordinance. As a negotiation, a quid pro quo, a part of a business deal, that's fine, it makes sense. What I am objecting to is you and others making this into a moral crusade when no moral outrage is anywhere close to being justified. GV are big boys; they have money and lawyers; if they want to negotiate a noise deal, good for them. It's not like they are victims of an oppressive local government, which is how you people have painted this picture.

Don't call me "you people", I hate that. I actually don't really care that much about the issue at hand - Goldenvoice can handle this one I'm sure. I just hate when people - "you people" - try to censor me.

chairmenmeow47
04-27-2009, 12:34 PM
how is tom trying to censor you? just curious.

JebusLives
04-27-2009, 12:42 PM
They can make their laws as they see fit based on their own priorities. Who are we to tell them differently? Jesus.


I read this as "don't express your opinion". Anway, I think we can move on now.

TomAz
04-27-2009, 12:44 PM
You people:



Jesus, like Indio canít put up with 3 nights out of the year (0.8%!). Buy some earplugs for chrissake!


Isnt Coachella Indio's biggest thing that happens to them all year?


All those old retiree couples should just take out their hearing aids and go to bed. Jesus.

Stop griping about it, it's only 3 days a year.


it is a stupid little thing to complain about, it is only for 3 days....but then again some people love to complain and will look for any reason to.


seriously these old people need to all find a new location to live in..


Honestly, fuck the neighbors who were bitching and complaining. I was able to sleep just fine with loud music in the distance, a rave dome within walking distance, and drum circles right next to my fucking head and these people can't deal with a little noise past midnight? We shouldn't have to get the festival shut down just because a few people are too lazy to go down to Wal-Mart and buy some sleeping pills and ear plugs


When I hear about things like this, it aids my slowly declining faith in humanity. Three days of a fucking year, not even weekdays! Maybe when this senior generation fades and the new one takes over this will be less of a problem. That statement is 100% subjective though because there are always exceptions to the generalizations.


since when does anyone give a shit what old people say?


"the law shouldn't apply, because it is unjust/silly/counter-productive" is a fair argument to make, don't you agree?

boarderwoozel3
04-27-2009, 12:47 PM
It seems to have been said already but a local law is local law. Keep it down past midnight or pay the fine. GV usually chooses to pay the fine. We should be thankful for that.

If you/we/whoever want it changed start rallying the people of Indio and put pressure on the decision makers around there to amend the law or add a provision, whichever it is.

That's pretty much all there is to it...

TomAz
04-27-2009, 12:49 PM
Maybe we can get Bono to stage a protest rally concert.

boarderwoozel3
04-27-2009, 12:53 PM
Tee-hee

Get a couple of starving thin hipsters to make the plea and he just might do it.

obzen
04-27-2009, 01:02 PM
spoiled self-centered fucktards.
Most indubitably,good chap!

paganman7
04-27-2009, 01:34 PM
What kind of asshole invades a small town, then bitches about it's ordinances?

The ordinance is fair. The fines are fair. GV needs to plan better and/or be OK with the fines.

Fuck's sake, man. You people are privileged.

mountmccabe
04-27-2009, 01:42 PM
I don't want headliners at festivals I attend to play for three hours. I don't want them to play for two hours.

It's easy to ignore the headliner when they're playing a set of an hour. It's not so easy to justify going yet ignoring them when they're playing two to three hours and into the early hours of the morning.

Coachella is changing into something that I don't want (as much.) And/or I am growing into someone that cannot appreciate Coachella (as much.) I don't like this.

Just for clarity I realize that I am just one voice and GV doesn't have to care what I and/or people like me think. They are pulling the headliners they're pulling and giving them lengthy, isolated sets because that's what they think is good for them. And, I mean, they're still getting other great bands; the festival isn't a total wreck. Yet. And maybe I am just better suited to other, smaller festivals such as Pitchfork and Fun Fun Fun.

mountmccabe
04-27-2009, 01:46 PM
What kind of asshole invades a small town, then bitches about it's ordinances?

The ordinance is fair. The fines are fair. GV needs to plan better and/or be OK with the fines.

Fuck's sake, man. You people are privileged.

I take it that Goldenvoice is OK with the fines. (At least) one of those articles on the fines had somebody from the police saying that they just tell GV that they need to pull the plug; that GV has the control.

Goldenvoice chose to let Paul keep playing.

As mentioned upthread, $50,000 has got to be nothing compared to what they paid Paul for that performance. I can't imagine them making any other decision there.

obzen
04-27-2009, 01:48 PM
Fuck's sake, man.
"You and I are finished,professionally!!"

JebusLives
04-27-2009, 01:49 PM
I don't want headliners at festivals I attend to play for three hours. I don't want them to play for two hours.

It's easy to ignore the headliner when they're playing a set of an hour. It's not so easy to justify going yet ignoring them when they're playing two to three hours and into the early hours of the morning.


This is the most tortured reasoning i've ever read. My brain hurts on yours' behalf.

OK so the board likes the bylaw as-is. Got it. Don't understand it, but got it. I expect you all to FULLY abide by it next year, and I sure hope none of you were out after midnight on Sunday.

beavington
04-27-2009, 02:28 PM
What kind of asshole invades a small town, then bitches about it's ordinances?

The ordinance is fair. The fines are fair. GV needs to plan better and/or be OK with the fines.

Fuck's sake, man. You people are privileged.

considering the Santa Barbara Bowl is 10pm, Greek Theater is 10:30 and Hollywood Bowl isnt much later than that, is it like 11pm?

chairmenmeow47
04-27-2009, 02:29 PM
how do you obide something? :p

TomAz
04-27-2009, 02:56 PM
What kind of asshole invades a small town, then bitches about its ordinances?

blankspots
DFranklin
Carnie100
tafoyachris
shakur
NightGoat
righteousdnk
Devin the Dude



spoiled privileged kids who think the laws should be made for their convenience and fuck anyone else with different priorities.

TomAz
04-27-2009, 02:57 PM
I sure hope none of you were out after midnight on Sunday.

a noise ordinance is not a curfew.

JebusLives
04-27-2009, 03:41 PM
how do you obide something? :p

I can't explain it... you have to experience it first-hand.

(damn you)

JebusLives
04-27-2009, 03:47 PM
a noise ordinance is not a curfew.

So you will attend an event which breaks the local bylaws, but we shouldn't badmouth said bylaws because THAT is disrespectful? Interesting. What other rules do you like to pay lipservice to?

chairmenmeow47
04-27-2009, 03:47 PM
tee-hee, sorry, just trying to lighten things up in here <3

JebusLives
04-27-2009, 03:55 PM
No worries, I just like arguing to pass the time at work. I'm not all worked up or anything :)

TomAz
04-27-2009, 04:02 PM
So you will attend an event which breaks the local bylaws, but we shouldn't badmouth said bylaws because THAT is disrespectful? Interesting. What other rules do you like to pay lipservice to?

I don't think the event plans to break the ordinance. I think it's the artists.

BillyCrystal
04-27-2009, 04:04 PM
i think everybody's missing the point: the local officials already make an exception for Coachella by allowing them to play as late as they want and be subject to an agreed-upon fine for doing so. This isn't what they do for others who violate the ordinance. It's a fair deal: the city lets the festival do its thing as long as its willing to pay the cost of doing so, and Goldenvoice makes its own economic decisions about when to call it quits.

As for the Mos Def thing, I am totally unfamiliar with this, but I'm sure that if cops (as opposed to private security) made him call it quits, then the festival must have some agreement with the city that only applies to certain artists or stages.

The point is, the fine isn't for breaking the law, because the festival is legally allowed to go past midnight as long as it pays to do so. it's just what the festival and city have agreed to do.

JebusLives
04-27-2009, 04:06 PM
I don't think the event plans to break the ordinance. I think it's the artists.

Would you or did you watch an act that played past 12am?

obzen
04-27-2009, 04:28 PM
all thr-- err,four nights..

alex gardner
04-27-2009, 05:28 PM
compared to the $500k+ that the Cure gets per show, seriously.

the cure do not get $500k+ per show, probably not even close to that.

magmazing
04-27-2009, 06:31 PM
Really all that Goldenvoice needs to do is just put a stipulation in headliner contracts that if they go passed midnight any fines incurred are deducted from the headliner's pay.

Armin
04-27-2009, 07:15 PM
There is an easy solution, just start the headline act at 9PM, if they go past Midnite, (how many go over 3 hours?) then the headline act can afford it or
the headline act can split it with GV. It's a fairly easy fix.

alex gardner
04-27-2009, 07:24 PM
Really all that Goldenvoice needs to do is just put a stipulation in headliner contracts that if they go passed midnight any fines incurred are deducted from the headliner's pay.

and watch each and every headliner stop on a dime right at midnight.

Wheres the beef?
04-27-2009, 07:26 PM
how is tom trying to censor you? just curious.

He took away the "n", "e", and "spacebar" keys.

Wheres the beef?
04-27-2009, 07:27 PM
i think everybody's missing the point: the local officials already make an exception for Coachella by allowing them to play as late as they want and be subject to an agreed-upon fine for doing so. This isn't what they do for others who violate the ordinance. It's a fair deal: the city lets the festival do its thing as long as its willing to pay the cost of doing so, and Goldenvoice makes its own economic decisions about when to call it quits.

As for the Mos Def thing, I am totally unfamiliar with this, but I'm sure that if cops (as opposed to private security) made him call it quits, then the festival must have some agreement with the city that only applies to certain artists or stages.

The point is, the fine isn't for breaking the law, because the festival is legally allowed to go past midnight as long as it pays to do so. it's just what the festival and city have agreed to do.

Are you calling the Indio Police Department racist?

alex gardner
04-27-2009, 07:33 PM
Are you calling the Indio Police Department racist?

LOL my thoughts exactly

Boourns
04-27-2009, 07:37 PM
the cure do not get $500k+ per show, probably not even close to that.

It's what pollstar pro says.

beavington
04-27-2009, 08:12 PM
Really all that Goldenvoice needs to do is just put a stipulation in headliner contracts that if they go passed midnight any fines incurred are deducted from the headliner's pay.

i always figured that to be the case, and that never stops the cure.

alex gardner
04-27-2009, 08:26 PM
It's what pollstar pro says.

avg. gross is not what the band makes, it's how much money is generated by ticket sales. a large portion of that money is spent on promoting, venue fees (security, lights, sound), insurance, backline, etc.

DFrank
04-27-2009, 08:45 PM
spoiled privileged kids who think the laws should be made for their convenience and fuck anyone else with different priorities.

Whoa Whoa! I was half kidding about adding a giant sound proof dome around the fields. This thread is merely a "Awww mann i wish Coachella could go on forevarrr!" Obviously you like the quiet, you live in the desert.

chairmenmeow47
04-28-2009, 10:08 AM
There is an easy solution, just start the headline act at 9PM, if they go past Midnite, (how many go over 3 hours?) then the headline act can afford it or
the headline act can split it with GV. It's a fairly easy fix.

what's funny is they kinda did that this year with the earlier slots and the bands still went over. in the past, headliners haven't always had such long slots.

either way, i'm not going to lose sleep over this law. not EVERY.THING a city does has to be something you agree with, this isn't all or nothing. i still visit calicornia even though they turned down the gay marriage thing, and i still live in arizona even though we turned it down as well. i still live in the US which fights wars i don't believe in, you take the best that you can get. and indio has been pretty good to us overall for the past ten years.

malcolmjamalawesome
04-28-2009, 10:16 AM
This is why I am a proud resident of The Independent Commonwealth of Wang.

M Sparks
04-28-2009, 11:07 AM
OK, I actually went and read the City Of Indio noise control laws. Chapter 95C. (I don't think I can link to it directly...go to the City of Indio website and figure it out like I did.)

There's nothing in there that pertains to any of this. In fact, Coachella is specifically EXEMPT from the noise control laws, because it falls under "Outdoor gatherings, public dances, shows and sporting and entertainment events provided said events are authorized by the city via permit, or previously approved development agreement."

AND, the only real mention of fines in the law is one mention of "in no case be less than $100" and another of "punishable by a fine not exceeding $1,000".

So can we please stop arguing about "respecting their laws" and "noise ordinances"...it's a permitting issue specific to the event and therefore, GV IS in a position to negotiate. (But I seriously doubt they'd ever get anywhere, and there are other solutions that won't rock the boat or jeopardize the relationship with the city.)

BTW, I searched for "event permit" in the lawbook, but nothing useful came up.

Distorted_Jungle
04-28-2009, 01:47 PM
MSTRKRFT went WAY over the time slot they had atleast 12:30 to 12:45 if i'm not mistaken, i was rolling pretty hard and couldn't feel my feet but i know they went on later than i expected

Campbell
04-28-2009, 02:50 PM
There's nothing in there that pertains to any of this. In fact, Coachella is specifically EXEMPT from the noise control laws, because it falls under "Outdoor gatherings, public dances, shows and sporting and entertainment events provided said events are authorized by the city via permit, or previously approved development agreement."

AND, the only real mention of fines in the law is one mention of "in no case be less than $100" and another of "punishable by a fine not exceeding $1,000".
It is probably within Coachella's specific permit/"previously approved development agreement."

BillyCrystal
04-28-2009, 03:00 PM
Are you calling the Indio Police Department racist?

no. i don't get it.

BillyCrystal
04-28-2009, 03:06 PM
OK, I actually went and read the City Of Indio noise control laws. Chapter 95C. (I don't think I can link to it directly...go to the City of Indio website and figure it out like I did.)

There's nothing in there that pertains to any of this. In fact, Coachella is specifically EXEMPT from the noise control laws, because it falls under "Outdoor gatherings, public dances, shows and sporting and entertainment events provided said events are authorized by the city via permit, or previously approved development agreement."

AND, the only real mention of fines in the law is one mention of "in no case be less than $100" and another of "punishable by a fine not exceeding $1,000".

So can we please stop arguing about "respecting their laws" and "noise ordinances"...it's a permitting issue specific to the event and therefore, GV IS in a position to negotiate. (But I seriously doubt they'd ever get anywhere, and there are other solutions that won't rock the boat or jeopardize the relationship with the city.)

BTW, I searched for "event permit" in the lawbook, but nothing useful came up.

coachella is not being fined for breaking the law. they are paying the amount that they have previously agreed to pay. this is a condition of their permit. if it was for violating the law, the cops would make them pull the plug before writing a ticket.

psycobetabuckdown
04-28-2009, 03:19 PM
Thanks M Sparks, for clarifying that. It's what I thought and seemed most probable.

How long did Crystal Method play? I thought they might go on after Paul was done (but apparently Paul went long) but I never checked. I'm assuming they expected Paul to go on late and cost them money, so booking Crystal Method at 11:25 wouldn't be a problem.

M Sparks
04-28-2009, 03:59 PM
coachella is not being fined for breaking the law. they are paying the amount that they have previously agreed to pay. this is a condition of their permit. if it was for violating the law, the cops would make them pull the plug before writing a ticket.

Actually, from the wording of the law, they would come, tell them to stop, leave, wait for another complaint, come back, write them a warning, leave, wait for more complaints, THEN come back and write them a ticket...MAYBE. :)

BillyCrystal
04-28-2009, 05:26 PM
Actually, from the wording of the law, they would come, tell them to stop, leave, wait for another complaint, come back, write them a warning, leave, wait for more complaints, THEN come back and write them a ticket...MAYBE. :)

right...so the point is, coachella is not being fined for breaking the law. they're paying on an agreement.