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offyerhead
01-21-2007, 02:42 PM
Really?

No problem with the band thought can't say I'm much of a fan. But headlining? I can see them filling a slot like Kraftwerk - late at night, post headliner almost - but are they really big enough to headline? Pixies didn't headline. Bauhause didn't headline...Just don't see them as big enough.

newalias
01-21-2007, 02:48 PM
who are you kidding? they are one of the biggest icons of the 90's in terms of political activism, voice, power, and an amazing rock style and sound. when i think of the rock music of the 90's generation, i think of them.

bartelby
01-21-2007, 02:49 PM
bulls on parade is one of the most intense songs i've ever seen live...

they're a bit heavy for me but i still think they're gonna be great

woogie846
01-21-2007, 02:50 PM
RATM would headline so easily.

Rage is much bigger than Bauhaus though.

ttboy80
01-21-2007, 02:59 PM
(tt's girlfriend) If Coachella was in any other state, I would agree, that Rage would have 2nd billiing. No material in while and is a reuniting (like pixies) but its SoCal, and they are natives so I can see why. The PIxies had 2nd billing and I think were far more loved and had more of an impact in the music industry. Thom Yorke said he felt Radiohead should've opened for the Pixies on stage- Who would say that about Rage?

offyerhead
01-21-2007, 02:59 PM
Sure they're intense. Sure they have a solid core of fans. But how many fans did they draw to their shows? I just don't think of them as being as big as previous headliners, that's all.

york707
01-21-2007, 03:08 PM
I'm no ta big RATM fan, Offyrhd, but you must be kidding me if you don't think they will draw a HUGE crowd - especially in SoCal and especially since, previsouly, the thought of them reuniting seemed impossible. If anythin, this makes me happy because it means Audioslave is dead (hopefully).

NoneForMeThanks
01-21-2007, 03:12 PM
If anythin, this makes me happy because it means Audioslave is dead (hopefully).

*crosses fingers*

Cydewonder
01-21-2007, 03:14 PM
personally i think there kinda whack, with the exception of 2 or 3 good songs. Im not down with the whole Rap/metal korn/linkinpark/limpbizkit scene.

I wouldnt want to see them headline. There not as big of a name to carry a headlining spot.

scoop49er
01-21-2007, 03:18 PM
ok its time to send a wake up call.

would the pixies or rage headline? sorry guys i dig the pixies but rage is at another level. their live shows are amazing. i know some of you are too young to understand it but u will see soon enough. the pixies are a nice novelty of what was. rage will bring it like no other and especially with so much political chaos right now with the war and other things. this is where it will be and it will be amazing. :)

rampaige
01-21-2007, 03:21 PM
Comparing RATM to Linkin Park or Limp Bizkit is like comparing Pearl Jam to Puddle of Mudd.

york707
01-21-2007, 03:22 PM
There not as big of a name to carry a headlining spot.


the pixies are a nice novelty of what was

First, The Pixies were not a mere novelty. They were just before your time, just like RATM was before the time of a lot of the people on here now, so you don't understand. They are a band whose popularity and stature grew after they broke up.

As for RATM not being big, that's just ignorance. Seriously, that's a huge reunion.

NoneForMeThanks
01-21-2007, 03:23 PM
Comparing RATM to Linkin Park or Limp Bizkit is like comparing Pearl Jam to Puddle of Mudd.

That was so much nicer than what I was going to say.

Also, you're one post away from "member" status.

york707
01-21-2007, 03:23 PM
Comparing RATM to Linkin Park or Limp Bizkit is like comparing Pearl Jam to Puddle of Mudd.

So say we all.

ttboy80
01-21-2007, 03:24 PM
TT's Girlfriend)
I have seen the Pixies twice and Rage back when I was in High School so Im not young- and yes they were amazing= but its not the 90's anymore they arent a headliner. I dont think I made myself clear- I didnt think Pixies shouldve headlined either. I was just sayin...

bballarl
01-21-2007, 03:26 PM
I was in 6th grade when RATM broke up, and was pissed that I would never see them live. So I am very excited, along with the other new fans or people who just never got to see them back in the day. They can certainly headline.

boyalien0
01-21-2007, 03:26 PM
Technically speaking, the pixies didn't headline.

But Rage is already the one act everyone is talking about.

ttboy80
01-21-2007, 03:27 PM
I hope they have new material.

ttboy80
01-21-2007, 03:28 PM
I never said the Pixies Headlined I said that THOM YOrke felt like they should have. I was disagreeing w/ Thom Yorke. I think reunited bands should get 2nd billing.

NoneForMeThanks
01-21-2007, 03:29 PM
I was in 6th grade when RATM broke up

I'm not even that old, but this statement makes me feel like I need a walker. It seems like eons have passed since they broke up.

NoneForMeThanks
01-21-2007, 03:31 PM
I hope they have new material.

Heh. I hope they don't. I want only old stuff, mostly from the self-titled and Battle of Los Angeles.

It's all their "new" material since 1992 that's keeping me from the main stage when the Chili Peppers are on.

ttboy80
01-21-2007, 03:32 PM
No Kidding!!! 6th grade! we should get senior discounts- HAHA

ttboy80
01-21-2007, 03:34 PM
I guess your right. There new material could suck. Hopefully Zach doesnt take up too much time bitchin about our gov't! What do I care I prolly wont even watch rage.

rampaige
01-21-2007, 03:34 PM
That was so much nicer than what I was going to say.

Also, you're one post away from "member" status.

Sweet! Member at last!

york707
01-21-2007, 03:35 PM
Andrew is wise beyond his years.

When he is 29, he will put the 29-year old me to shame. Then again, I'll be 39, but whatever.

GeorgiaC
01-21-2007, 03:55 PM
if this is true I'll be there!! the last time I've seen RATM was in Germany in 2000 at one of the biggest festivals in front of 60000 people and I've never seen more people rock out to a band, they were amazing!! I was never a big fan but live they rocked waaay more than pretty much any other band I've ever seen and that's around 200....

Cydewonder
01-21-2007, 04:46 PM
Comparing RATM to Linkin Park or Limp Bizkit is like comparing Pearl Jam to Puddle of Mudd.

Like i said, im not really a big fan.

it wasnt really a comparison, its just that to me they all fall into the same Rap/Metal catergory. I really dont care if they are there or not...I'll just go check out another stage while they perform.

microcuts
01-21-2007, 04:50 PM
RAtM reminds me of high school and all the homophobic metalheads wearing their Evil Empire t-shirts. I've never been able to get past that. Tom Morello is an amazing guitarist, though. It's probably not good to base a band off their fans because Tool has some major meatheads as fans as well... but I seem to recall Tool getting MAJOR backlash on these boards last year. I'm not quite certain what Rage has that Tool doesn't.

mevallemadre
01-21-2007, 04:53 PM
Dude Headline Questions? Have you been to an Audioslave Concert? They are lackluster at best; however, when they play Rage songs the crowd goes wild. As far as not being able to draw a Big CROWD have you seen their DVDs? They have played in front of over a Hundred Thousand people in Europe during their First couple of World Tours. the DNC event was sick here in Los Angeles...They shut down Downtown L.A. It is the best time and Venue for them to play. You'll enjoy their set. Now as far as the correlations to Limp Bizkit goes that is just plain unwarranted.

nahuatldream
01-21-2007, 04:53 PM
My friend (HUGE RATM fan) and I were hanging out in our apartment and were listening to the radio, KROQ, I believe, when they broke the news that RATM had broken up. They had people calling in, crying, asking if it was really true. We kinda laughed, because we thought it was silly to call in a radio station and cry over a band breaking up, but it just shows you how important they were to some people. I would always pretend to not like them, just to piss off my friend. I'd compare them to Limp Bizkit all the time, haha. Of course, I was being facetious. I'm freakin' excited about RATM re-uniting and I can't wait to have my ears melted off my face. I can't wait to listen to Bjork under a starry desert sky, with my girlfriend. As for RHCP, I'm sure something else worthwhile will be on at that time.

offyerhead
01-21-2007, 06:12 PM
Still not getting the answer to what I'm asking...

When Depeche Mode headlined last year, I wasn't interested in seeing them, but people said they were obvious headliners because they could headline their own show at places like the Rose Bowl. Doesn't matter if I liked them or not, or they were intense: they sell tickets. Like Radiohead (who I like) and RHCP (who I don't).

The only big shows that people are mentioning for Rage are festivals and political events where they are not the main reason tickets are being sold and people are assembling.

How big were the venues that RATM played when they were headlining their own shows? It's not a criticism. Very few of my favourite bands would be big enough to headline but it doesn't mean they're not great.

microcuts
01-21-2007, 06:15 PM
Rage Against the Machine's fall 1999 tour:

10/10: Indio, C.A. - Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival
10/31: Washington D.C., 9:30 Club
11/05: Los Angeles, Park Plaza Ballroom
11/19: Oakland, Calif., Oakland Coliseum
11/20: Sacramento, Calif., Arco Arena
11/23: Salt Lake City, E Center
11/24: Denver, Magnus Arena
11/26: Chicago, Allstate Arena
11/27: Detroit, Palace of Auburn Hills
11/29: Toronto, Maple Leaf Garden
11/30: Worcester, Mass., The Centrum
12/02: Philadelphia, Union Center
12/03: Nassau, N.Y., Nassau Coliseum
12/05: New Haven, Conn., Coliseum
12/07: Baltimore, Baltimore Arena
12/09: Atlanta, Phillips Arena
12/11: New Orleans, Lakewood Arena
12/13: Houston, Texas, Summit Arena
12/14: San Antonio, Texas, Alamo Dome
12/16: Phoenix, America West Arena
12/18: San Diego, Calif., Cox Arena
12/19: Los Angeles, Staples Arena

Looks like just standard arenas.

colincompany
01-21-2007, 06:18 PM
Rage is going to be a reunion, which should give them headline status even if they werent one of the greatest bands ever

microcuts
01-21-2007, 06:22 PM
Rage is going to be a reunion, which should give them headline status even if they werent one of the greatest bands ever

Typically reunion acts have been given 2nd billing.. Pixies, Bauhaus, New Order, et al.

menikmati
01-21-2007, 06:23 PM
New Order was not a reunion

microcuts
01-21-2007, 06:26 PM
true but they may as well have been.

kreutz2112
01-21-2007, 06:26 PM
Comparing RATM to Linkin Park or Limp Bizkit is like comparing Pearl Jam to Puddle of Mudd.

I agree...just a fucking ridiculous comment.

offyerhead
01-21-2007, 06:27 PM
Typically reunion acts have been given 2nd billing.. Pixies, Bauhaus, New Order, et al.

thanks for the RATM venue info microcut. The only point I'm trying to make is maybe the headliners are : RHCP, Bjork and someone besides RATM.

But they were playing arenas so maybe they can pull off being a headliner. Personally, I think Pixies could've headlined Sunday ahead of both the Cure and Flaming Lips.

suprefan
01-21-2007, 06:27 PM
Yeah New Order was not a reunion...

microcuts
01-21-2007, 06:28 PM
Pixies were playing 3,000 seat theatres on their recent reunion tour, and they were OPENING for the Cure at the height of their heyday in the late 80s. There's no way they would have been billed over The Cure, one of GV's biggest headliners ever, next to Radiohead.

suprefan
01-21-2007, 06:30 PM
Rage Against the Machine's fall 1999 tour:

10/10: Indio, C.A. - Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival
10/31: Washington D.C., 9:30 Club
11/05: Los Angeles, Park Plaza Ballroom
11/19: Oakland, Calif., Oakland Coliseum
11/20: Sacramento, Calif., Arco Arena
11/23: Salt Lake City, E Center
11/24: Denver, Magnus Arena
11/26: Chicago, Allstate Arena
11/27: Detroit, Palace of Auburn Hills
11/29: Toronto, Maple Leaf Garden
11/30: Worcester, Mass., The Centrum
12/02: Philadelphia, Union Center
12/03: Nassau, N.Y., Nassau Coliseum
12/05: New Haven, Conn., Coliseum
12/07: Baltimore, Baltimore Arena
12/09: Atlanta, Phillips Arena
12/11: New Orleans, Lakewood Arena
12/13: Houston, Texas, Summit Arena
12/14: San Antonio, Texas, Alamo Dome
12/16: Phoenix, America West Arena
12/18: San Diego, Calif., Cox Arena
12/19: Los Angeles, Staples Arena

Looks like just standard arenas.


The last one was The Forum not Staples...... Queens of The Stone Age and Gangstarr opened it ruled.... But At The Drive In opened for them in New York, soo jealous..




Pixies were playing 3,000 seat theatres on their recent reunion tour, and they were OPENING for the Cure at the height of their heyday in the late 80s. There's no way they would have been billed over The Cure, one of GV's biggest headliners ever, next to Radiohead.



And they opened for U2 also...

york707
01-21-2007, 06:31 PM
The Flaming Lips didn't headline either... but I like your optimism, offyrhd, although you could have been a little less obtuse about what you were getting at.

offyerhead
01-21-2007, 06:32 PM
Maybe not but there was a huge, huge buzz about the Pixies. A lot of people on this board were flying in mainly to see them. But true, the Pixies were not playing venues as big as what RATM seem to have been.

suprefan
01-21-2007, 06:33 PM
And where do you go from coming on before Tool in 99? Only up on the bill.... I wanna see how fast it will sell out this time...

microcuts
01-21-2007, 06:34 PM
Also, those Rage shows were over 7 years ago. There's simply no way to determine what kind of weight they would have today. Although, Coachella being in Southern California, where they were arguably more popular than anywhere else, I'd say they will be a very big draw.

suprefan
01-21-2007, 06:57 PM
Also, those Rage shows were over 7 years ago. There's simply no way to determine what kind of weight they would have today. Although, Coachella being in Southern California, where they were arguably more popular than anywhere else, I'd say they will be a very big draw.


I think it can sell out, and Muse has almost sold out their L.A. area arena show btw....

Boourns
01-21-2007, 06:57 PM
That's true, Rage's popularity is much greater in the LA area.

Big in LA is the new big in Japan.

york707
01-21-2007, 06:57 PM
A lot of people on this board were flying in mainly to see them.

The only I even heard about this so-called Coachella Festival was because I found out that's one of the places the Pixies were playing. Of course, this was before we new they would tour for two straight years.

Once I found out Radioead, the FLaming Lips, and Air were on the bill, there was no question as to whether I was going. But the Pixies were, without question, 80% of the reason I went the first time.

pdrpdr
01-21-2007, 07:23 PM
Maybe not but there was a huge, huge buzz about the Pixies. A lot of people on this board were flying in mainly to see them. But true, the Pixies were not playing venues as big as what RATM seem to have been.

Well... i'm from Argentina and I hope i could get the money to travel to Coachella to see RATM playing together again... I will try to raise it but the plane ticket it's too expensive.

On 1997 there was a festival here (a tribute to "Madres de Plaza de Mayo") where RATM was announced as the most important act. Finally they suspended their visit for some reasons that i dont remeber. Since then we are waiting for them, but they never came to south america. Now some newspapers says that maybe Audioslave will play here on april (10/04) but i dont think that will happen...

So, I will travel to California or I will see it by internet :P, but it doesnt matter, RATM is live again!!! :D:D:D

offyerhead
01-21-2007, 07:31 PM
But the Pixies were, without question, 80% of the reason I went the first time.

That's exactly the way it was for me too. Pixies reuniting! Playing at Coachella! What's Coachella? Saw the rest of the lineup and booked the flight.

Saw them again at Sasquatch (another great fest) in 2005.