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TomAz
01-21-2007, 10:13 AM
are headlining Day 1! wooooooohooooo

yeah ok.

Edit.
a little birdied told me that if you are a fan of OR and interested in STSTU, PM me.

nothingman00
01-21-2007, 10:55 AM
Dammit Tom, upload that sucker for me. I'm missing both "Stars too small" and the Australian Tour cd "Overboard and down"... There's a 4-6 week waiting period for "Overboard and Down" on Amazon and I couldn't find it at Waterloo Records in Austin, though I got "The President's Dead" single on vinyl from there. Point is, I'd be indebted to anyone who could either bballarl one of those to me or just ul. If I have something that someone doesn't have, I'll trade, so request.

nothingman00
01-21-2007, 11:13 AM
wait. Tom, when do you get home?

TomAz
01-21-2007, 04:38 PM
Feb 1st

nothingman00
01-21-2007, 04:54 PM
Marked on my calendar

arbouler
02-28-2007, 08:08 PM
dear coachella,

i wanna see them live.

thanks

kreutz2112
02-28-2007, 08:09 PM
You had to dig to find this.

arbouler
02-28-2007, 08:26 PM
nah i just had to look on the first page of the search function.

full on idle
02-28-2007, 08:28 PM
"when I get back from india" my ass

nothingman00
02-28-2007, 08:36 PM
Tom, you're back... Wanna post "Stars too Small" or bballarl me... I'll hug you like a polar bear.

kreutz2112
02-28-2007, 08:38 PM
nah i just had to look on the first page of the search function.

yeah I realized that after I made the post. I thought of deleting it, but then I realized I'd have to pay attention. Allright kids LETS GET THIS OVER WITH.


that post went in a weird direction. TMI?

fortydollarsworthofmeat
02-28-2007, 10:34 PM
i just PM'd tom and then realized this is a month+ old.

whoops.

but i still want STSTU.

TomAz
03-01-2007, 05:02 AM
I will do this. I promise. I, um, forgot.

TomAz
03-02-2007, 06:09 AM
Interested parties PM me.

fortydollarsworthofmeat
03-02-2007, 11:23 AM
The file you are trying to access is temporarily unavailable!!!!!!!!

edit: nm, it's working.

ewiggy
07-10-2007, 01:45 PM
hey guys. preorder for Stage Names is now available via the bands label, Jagjaguwar. it's $11 and the first 700 or that order the "deluxe edition" will include the regular album, plus a 2nd CD that includes solo demos of the songs from the album.

this is also available via insound, amazon, etc, but the band makes more money from the sales made directly through the label, and most likely you will receive it faster if you order direct from Jagjaguwar.

buy here. (http://www.scdistribution.com/cat/jag_catalognew.php#)

TomAz
07-10-2007, 01:48 PM
I wonder when labels will allow you to download directly (without going to iTunes). Pressing, packaging, and shipping a CD seems such a waste anymore.

ewiggy
07-10-2007, 01:51 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2a/Thestagenames.jpg

you don't want to own that?

TomAz
07-10-2007, 01:53 PM
did you do the cover? is the artwork yours?

ewiggy
07-10-2007, 01:57 PM
i wish. the artwork is by William Shaff. who is different from Will Sheff. Shaff has done all of the artwork for the band since their 2nd album, i believe.

TomAz
07-10-2007, 02:23 PM
album art isn't that important to me.

you should get a gig designing album covers though. You'd be good at it. I wonder where you apply for a job like that?

ewiggy
07-10-2007, 02:26 PM
i think you just have to be a good artist, and a band has to see your work and like it. i bet i'd get stuck with linkin park or something. i'd be terrible at that.

Hannahrain
07-10-2007, 02:27 PM
But they could pay you in decks!

ewiggy
07-10-2007, 02:38 PM
ahahaha i almost forgot about that guy. he was like, in bosnia or something. and going to pay me in skateboards.

ewiggy
07-11-2007, 11:20 AM
I wonder when labels will allow you to download directly (without going to iTunes). Pressing, packaging, and shipping a CD seems such a waste anymore.

update: if you pre-order the album direct from Jagjaguwar, you will (in the next couple of days) get a coupon via email for an immediate download of the entire album.

mob roulette
07-11-2007, 11:24 AM
I liked "For Real", "Kansas City", and the Otis Redding one. You know, the free stuff. Which album do you think I should buy first if I were to actually buy one? kthxbye/

J~$$$
07-11-2007, 11:26 AM
i gots mah tickets for sept. werd.

higgybaby23
07-11-2007, 12:16 PM
Friday August 31 - Congress 22nd Birthday - Labor Day Weekend - Tucson Music & Film Festival


Mark your calendars. There will be no camping this Labor Day Weekend. You have to be here for the largest film & music festival in Tucson. Here's a little peak into what we've got planned:

**Four Class Reunion Stages.
Reunite with Tucson's stars of the "graduating class" of 1980, featuring Bob Meighan, Ned Sutton and many others.
**The class of 1990 featuring Tucson expatriots The Supersuckers, Pollo Elastico and many others

**The class of 2000 featuring the final show ever for The Weird Lovemakers and many others

** a presumptous look ahead to the class of 2010 featuring the absolute best emerging talent the old pueblo has to offer.



ALSO: **Howe Gelb hosts a cast of allstars for the 10th Anniversary of Rainer’s Inner Flame record!

**Al Perry leads another cast of Allstars through Tucson’s greatest guitar hero telecaster throwdown

**Great national acts like Okervil River, The Bellrays, Ian Moore & many more

** must-see indie films all weekend long

Keep checking the website for details & advance tickets. We expect oh about 40 great acts, a dozen cool films, two great BBQ's, and alow ticket price.
This will be a weekend to stick around for!


Tickets : $ Doors open at:

mob roulette
07-11-2007, 01:02 PM
And Magnolia Electric on the 11th as well as Greyhound Soul's CD Release Party on the 14th. I will be at all three. Add in Devendra, Animal Collective, Rodrigo y Gabriela, etc and I would say it's shaping up to be a pretty fine fall.

TomAz
07-11-2007, 01:25 PM
I liked "For Real", "Kansas City", and the Otis Redding one. You know, the free stuff. Which album do you think I should buy first if I were to actually buy one? kthxbye/

Black Sheep Boy or Down the River of Golden Dreams

full on idle
07-11-2007, 11:07 PM
I liked "For Real", "Kansas City", and the Otis Redding one. You know, the free stuff. Which album do you think I should buy first if I were to actually buy one? kthxbye/

Please please please give me an excuse to make an Okkervil River mix for you.

sonofhal
07-11-2007, 11:32 PM
You can make one for me - I only have the Overboard And Down EP.

ewiggy
07-11-2007, 11:36 PM
ooh yah, do it valarie. good idear.

full on idle
07-11-2007, 11:44 PM
Ok, Hal's son.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=14ZYYVR5

11 songs
~45 mins

Just a couple of the ones I like.

Sorry about the quality of the .wma files, they were ripped from a scratched cd. But there's only 2 of those

edit* Kristen, you should do one too. I would listen to it. You have a vaster collection.

ewiggy
07-11-2007, 11:51 PM
ok. what's your tracklist?

sonofhal
07-11-2007, 11:51 PM
A big thank you, Valarie.

full on idle
07-12-2007, 12:03 AM
ok. what's your tracklist?

01 Okkervil River Song (DFILWEYS)
02 The War Criminal Rises and Speaks (DTROGD)
03 Blanket and Crib (DTROGD)
04 Red (DFILWEYS)
05 Black (BSB)
06 A King and A Queen (BSB)
07 The President's Dead (O&DEP)
08 Oh Dana! (O&DEP)
09 The Velocity of Saul at the Time of His Conversion (STSTU)
10 Savannah Smiles (TSNL)
11 Happy Hearts (DFILWEYS)

ewiggy
07-12-2007, 12:23 AM
i will think on this and post something tomorrow.

mob roulette
07-12-2007, 08:14 AM
Thank you Valarie. Downloading now.

TomAz
07-12-2007, 08:17 AM
Valarie's track list is outstanding. I would have chosen something completely different. Such is the awesomeness of Okkervil River.

ewiggy
07-13-2007, 02:02 AM
Okkervilitis. (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YPANS64Y)

01 John Allyn Smith Sails (TSN)
02 Seas Too Far to Reach (DTROGD)
03 The Next Four Months (FR EP)
04 No Key, No Plan (BSBA EP)
05 Westfall [live] (O&D EP)
06 So Come Back, I am Waiting (BSB)
07 Omie Wise (JD/OR Split EP)
08 For Real (BSB)
09 Love to a Monster (O&D EP)
10 A Glow (BSB)
11 Willow Tree (SW/HF EP)
12 Lady Liberty (DFILWEYS)
13 It Ends with a Fall (DTROGD)

marooko
07-13-2007, 06:55 AM
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2632/filekc3.gif

Mr.Nipples
07-13-2007, 07:03 AM
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t39/RetardoTronFiveThousand/BigShow02.jpg

marooko
07-13-2007, 08:47 AM
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2632/filekc3.gif

Courtney
07-13-2007, 09:12 AM
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=14ZYYVR5


Okkervilitis. (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YPANS64Y)

These are both most excellent.

ewiggy
07-13-2007, 04:14 PM
that's good work up there, nipples.

mountmccabe
07-13-2007, 07:03 PM
Friday August 31 - Congress 22nd Birthday - Labor Day Weekend - Tucson Music & Film Festival


Mark your calendars. There will be no camping this Labor Day Weekend. You have to be here for the largest film & music festival in Tucson. Here's a little peak into what we've got planned:

**Four Class Reunion Stages.
Reunite with Tucson's stars of the "graduating class" of 1980, featuring Bob Meighan, Ned Sutton and many others.
**The class of 1990 featuring Tucson expatriots The Supersuckers, Pollo Elastico and many others

**The class of 2000 featuring the final show ever for The Weird Lovemakers and many others

** a presumptous look ahead to the class of 2010 featuring the absolute best emerging talent the old pueblo has to offer.



ALSO: **Howe Gelb hosts a cast of allstars for the 10th Anniversary of Rainer’s Inner Flame record!

**Al Perry leads another cast of Allstars through Tucson’s greatest guitar hero telecaster throwdown

**Great national acts like Okervil River, The Bellrays, Ian Moore & many more

** must-see indie films all weekend long

Keep checking the website for details & advance tickets. We expect oh about 40 great acts, a dozen cool films, two great BBQ's, and alow ticket price.
This will be a weekend to stick around for!


Tickets : $ Doors open at:


I wonder if this means they're playing Tucson instead of Phoenix. Easy drive, of course, but still.

ewiggy
07-13-2007, 11:54 PM
okervil river?

full on idle
07-14-2007, 12:32 AM
m4a

boooooooooooooooooooooooo

sonofhal
07-14-2007, 12:41 AM
okervil river?

Maybe it's a covers band?

ewiggy
07-23-2007, 02:51 PM
some of you (chris) might be interested in these UK dates:

November
6 Colchester Arts Centre
7 Nottingham The Social
8 Newcastle University
9 Glasgow Nice N Sleazy
10 Manchester Roadhouse

December
4 Brighton Pressure Point
5 Liverpool Academy
6 Dublin Whelans
7 Leeds Brudenell Social Club
8 Cardiff Barfly
9 London Luminaire

mob roulette
07-23-2007, 03:04 PM
Glasgow has a concert venue called The Nice N Sleazy? How appropriate is that?

ewiggy
07-23-2007, 03:34 PM
also, this is an interesting review/interview:

http://www.wirelessbollinger.com/general/insight/okkervil_river_-_sheff_%26_the_stage_names/

sonofhal
07-23-2007, 03:41 PM
some of you (chris) might be interested in these UK dates:

November
6 Colchester Arts Centre
7 Nottingham The Social
8 Newcastle University
9 Glasgow Nice N Sleazy
10 Manchester Roadhouse

December
4 Brighton Pressure Point
5 Liverpool Academy
6 Dublin Whelans
7 Leeds Brudenell Social Club
8 Cardiff Barfly
9 London Luminaire

I saw those - my sabbatical starts in October, so maybe i'll see if they need a spare roadie and do the lot!

ewiggy
07-23-2007, 03:44 PM
yes. do that. yesssss.

ewiggy
07-31-2007, 05:03 PM
this is fucking fantastic for the band. new record out in a week. from myspace.com front page:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1343/967701607_57291e1347_o.jpg

Somewhat Damaged
07-31-2007, 06:29 PM
Saw on Pitchfork earlier that Okkervil River will be playing the Brickhouse in Phoenix on August 31, so they won't be in Tucson.

Link: http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/44438-okkervil-river-add-dates-to-tour

ewiggy
08-05-2007, 07:54 PM
holy craaaaaaap!

conan 8/28!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

full on idle
08-05-2007, 11:35 PM
machine fully functional

ewiggy
08-06-2007, 08:49 AM
also, if you're into this kind of thing, Pitchfork gave the album an 8.7 and it's in their "Best New Music" category.

disgustipated
08-06-2007, 09:52 AM
I am rediscovering my love for this band thanks to this thread. I had seen Okkervil many times in Austin over the past few years, But never purchased any music. Thanks to these uploads, Okkervil can afford another tank of gas for I have purchased most of the catalogue.

noisemachine
08-06-2007, 01:03 PM
Im seeing them at the Independent in SF on September 5. Really excited. 2 days before that im seeing BJM in the same venue.

nothingman00
08-06-2007, 02:39 PM
album arrived today (the version with the demos). I'm psyched. Even came with a button and a postcard type picture thingy.

Excellent album and great mixes by both of you fine ladies. Now, if they'll release a DVD (as they were semi-promising) of the intimate show in Austin (with full strings, brass, etc.) that will just about satisfy my Okkervil 2007 lust. I was in spitting distance from Sheff and co. and that show was phenomenal-I posted a thread somewhere on here about it. Just gorgeous, and the first time I had ever heard "So come Back, I am Waiting" live (they closed with it)...

nothingman00
08-06-2007, 07:54 PM
Wow, the demo versions of "A Girl on Port" and "John Allyn Smith Sails" are so damn good.

ewiggy
08-07-2007, 05:26 AM
Now, if they'll release a DVD (as they were semi-promising) of the intimate show in Austin (with full strings, brass, etc.) that will just about satisfy my Okkervil 2007 lust. I was in spitting distance from Sheff and co. and that show was phenomenal-I posted a thread somewhere on here about it. Just gorgeous, and the first time I had ever heard "So come Back, I am Waiting" live (they closed with it)...

that gives me a knot in my stomach. i considered driving to TX for that. i probably would have cried.


Wow, the demo versions of "A Girl on Port" and "John Allyn Smith Sails" are so damn good.

i already changed my address and didn't get my CD yet. but if i find a record store while on the road, i'm going to have to buy a second copy. i hope i get that fucking ORNAG pin.

kreutz2112
08-07-2007, 05:52 AM
They are finally coming to salt lake. I cannot wait! The venue they are playing at holds like 150 people...YES!

TomAz
08-07-2007, 07:08 AM
Aug 31 in PHX. who's going?

captncrzy
08-07-2007, 07:09 AM
YAY Tom's back!!!!

I might go.

ewiggy
08-07-2007, 07:20 AM
Aug 31 in PHX. who's going?

me me meeeeeeeeeeeee!

mob roulette
08-07-2007, 07:31 AM
I may also be at this show. Look for the dude wearing sleigh bells and corduory. I may also be carrying my own bottle of Moet. Yes, I said it, Moet. I don't care what Kimber says. I'm here for the band, man.

kreutz2112
08-07-2007, 08:28 AM
who will be at the slc show? meeeee!!!

amyzzz
08-07-2007, 08:32 AM
Aug 31 in PHX. who's going?
Dang, that's the day after my birthday. Too bad I don't like this band. :/

Hannahrain
08-07-2007, 08:33 AM
The Eugene show is in the middle of this yearly fest that we have downtown, which means that instead of buying a ticket to the show, I just need the ten dollar ticket to the fest. Which we sell at the store where I work. Where I get a massive discount.


My night's looking something like

6ish: get off work, meet up with companion
6-8: walk around fest, shop a little bit, visit other stages
8-9: Go out for dinner. Probably the fondue restaurant right by the venue.
9: Okkervil river!

Best night ever? I think so.

J~$$$
08-07-2007, 08:34 AM
OMG fondue!? whats the name of the place....and yes that sounds awesome.

nothingman00
08-07-2007, 08:35 AM
that gives me a knot in my stomach. i considered driving to TX for that. i probably would have cried.



i already changed my address and didn't get my CD yet. but if i find a record store while on the road, i'm going to have to buy a second copy. i hope i get that fucking ORNAG pin.

You will get the O.R.N.A.G pin. I almost didn't see it as it was kinda hidden at the bottom. And as for the Austin show, yes, it was magical. Like talking Owl magical, not mere unicorn magical.

nothingman00
08-07-2007, 08:38 AM
Dang, that's the day after my birthday. Too bad I don't like this band. :/

Zzz, quit trying to fool us. You're a closet Okkervil fan and you know it. Plus, they added mad synths to this last album, picked up the pace a little bit. You know, 1985 style.

amyzzz
08-07-2007, 08:39 AM
bad-ASS synths?

Hannahrain
08-07-2007, 08:39 AM
OMG fondue!? whats the name of the place....and yes that sounds awesome.

The Vintage. It's a fondue and crepe restaurant in an old house on Lincoln. Nothing fancy. The food is pretentious, but the restaurant isn't.

J~$$$
08-07-2007, 08:42 AM
fucking crepes and fondue! That sounds like the greatest restaurant ever. Can you mix it up and get both? mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........

Hannahrain
08-07-2007, 08:46 AM
I've actually never had their crepes. Their fondue is great (especially the swiss, and it's like 14 bucks for fondue for two people), and their waffles are amazing. I will make sure to try a crepe for you next time I am there.

So hey. Okkervil River.

kreutz2112
08-07-2007, 08:47 AM
I am sure Okkervil River likes fondue.

TomAz
08-07-2007, 08:48 AM
i wish they'd write a song about it

Hannahrain
08-07-2007, 08:49 AM
Cheese is my favorite flavor
Cheese that will get kind of gross
After a while
Of sitting all night in the kitchen

J~$$$
08-07-2007, 08:52 AM
I hope they follow it up with a song about chocolate crepes .

nothingman00
08-07-2007, 08:54 AM
Hannah, how has your relocation to Shangri-La gone? I've missed a lot on this board...

Hannahrain
08-07-2007, 08:54 AM
I hope they follow it up with a song about chocolate crepes .

Or, cheese crepes and CHOCOLATE fondue.

Holy fuck I'm getting hungry.





My alarm is going to go off in ten minutes. Time to wake up.

nothingman00
08-07-2007, 08:56 AM
I hope they follow it up with a song about chocolate crepes .

I think their next project is "Black Sheep Crepe"---a concept album about a chocolate crepe trying to find his meaning in a world of ham and cheese crepes. Word on the street is the album is delicious.

Hannahrain
08-07-2007, 08:56 AM
Hannah, how has your relocation to Shangri-La gone? I've missed a lot on this board...

It was really tough moving all my stuff to a place nobody can find. But when I got here, it was all in black and white and lounge music was playing everywhere. Paradise.

nothingman00
08-07-2007, 08:57 AM
Sounds wonderful. I moved to Atlantis briefly, but the mermaids there were just too damn horny. It's like they hadn't seen a man without a large flipper fin in decades. My wife got jealous of my frolicking and that was the end of that. Fuckin Ariel and her big mouth...

Hannahrain
08-07-2007, 08:59 AM
Well, Ariel with her big mouth and you with your small flipper fin...

I can see it not working out.

nothingman00
08-07-2007, 09:00 AM
SMALL FLIPPER FIN??? How dare you? I have NO flipper fin at all. I have flipper fin envy.

nothingman00
08-08-2007, 12:55 AM
P.S. The demos are fucking amazing. So far, Plus Ones, John Allyn Smith Sails, andA Girl in Port are my three favorites. Anyone else get the demos yet? I can put them up on megaupload if needed...

Hannahrain
08-09-2007, 08:37 AM
Bonus track from emusic (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JO9OATM6)

Somewhat Damaged
08-09-2007, 07:50 PM
For those in Arizona, check this out: http://www.hotelcongress.com/club/?SID=e0d28e4886c26f0773098ba2c9ef887f


Saturday September 01 - HoCo Festival 2007 - The Tucson Music and Film Festival-
Tonight features a fantastic National stage featuring Okkervil River and The Bellrays as well as the highly anticipated Class 0'77 Showcase with Bob Meighan, Ned Sutton, Chuck Wagon and The wheels and many more !
with Al Perry's All Star BBQ and Guitar Throwdown


There is so much great music tonight, and some very special performances that this will be a must not miss night for many of you.

SATURDAY DETAILS

We have three distinct and incredible shows for you -
Starting at 5pm the Al Perry All Star BBQ features some of the best music that ever sidled up to a BBQ. (And if you've been to our Labor Day BBQ's before you know we aren't fooling around in the food department) The real treat, here though is the ALL Star Guitar Throwdown, where Al has invited some of the country's best guitar slingers to strap on a Telecaster and see what they're made of. He's keeping the line-up under wraps, but be assured this will be a phenomenal smackdown.

The early leader for most talked about showcase at the HoCoFest this year is the Class of '77 show. Bringing back the best from the wild and woolly 70's Tucson music scene, we have the Bob Meighan Band, Ned Sutton and The Rabbits, Chuck Wagon and The Wheels and some great surprises. This will be a hoot. This starts promptly at 9pm and will go to who knows when.

Hardly lost in all the Tucson nostalgia we offer a formidable line-up of National talent as well this evening. One of the hottest bands around right now Okkervil River headline, but have to follow perhaps the best rock band in America, The BellraysWe sometimes think Lisa could show Tina Turner a thing or two...

all this for $8!!!!!

Jen, we're definitely going to this show at least!

mob roulette
08-09-2007, 07:59 PM
So then its PHX on the 31st and Tucson on the 1st? Also, Naked Prey is playing this week if anyone knows what I'm talking about. For like 3 bucks too.

nothingman00
08-09-2007, 08:53 PM
Mob, I'm not nearly sboer enough to look that band up[. Nakey Prey, huh? Gimme some feedback on them, por favor.

mob roulette
08-09-2007, 10:00 PM
They (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Prey) sort of sprung out of this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_on_Red) Also kind of loosely affiliated with that (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paisley_Underground) whole thing. They were very good at what they did and so three dollars is beyond a bargain, I can assure you.

nothingman00
08-09-2007, 11:04 PM
They (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Prey) sort of sprung out of this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_on_Red) Also kind of loosely affiliated with that (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paisley_Underground) whole thing. They were very good at what they did and so three dollars is beyond a bargain, I can assure you.

I can't decide if i want to talk shit to you or talk shit to myself for
listening to you, I'm playing Rygar you fucker,,, Love ya Mob...

ewiggy
08-10-2007, 12:16 AM
a message from Will @ the totally revamped okkervilriver.com:


So, The Stage Names, our fourth full-length (depending on how you count 'em) and our follow-up to 2005’s Black Sheep Boy, is now in stores as well as available for order or download online. For us, it’s been a long wait for a record we’re very proud of. The album was recorded earlier in the year with Brian Beattie, our co-producer on Black Sheep Boy, and was released via our old friends at Jagjaguwar. Cover art, as in the past, was created by the inimitable William Schaff. It’s currently available on CD and vinyl (purchase of the vinyl version comes with a download coupon from the label) as well as in a limited-edition 2-CD set, with a second CD containing demo versions of all the songs on the record. Pitchfork posted a review of it two days ago calling it “Okkervil River's most emotionally devastating record yet, and without doubt one of the year's best.”

Also, I wanted to let you know that we've been prodded by the label to put some bonus tracks out there as well. If you go to iTunes, you can download "Shannon Wilsey on the Starry Stairs," my personal very favorite outtake from The Stage Names (with horns by members of Grupo Fantasma, Prince's sometime backing band!) and a song that very nearly made it to the record. It's kind of a sequel to "Savannah Smiles" and kind of a sister song to "John Allyn Smith Sails" and I am extremely happy with how it turned out. Also, on emusic you can get the song "Love to a Monster," a slightly older song of ours that was intended to be on The Stage Names but didn't make it on, though a rough demo version of it showed up on our Australian tour-support EP Overboard and Down. This new recording of "Love to a Monster," which was made for original inclusion on the new record, is the version of it I feel like the song deserved. Anyway, this stuff is out there if you want to track it down, and I'm really happy with it.

Oh, and if you can believe it, we're gonna be on "Late Night with Conan O'Brien" on the 28th of this month, promoting the record. Weird.

It's a thrill to finally have this record out. I can't wait to see everybody at the end of this month when we go out on tour.


also - i bought the album in a record store today for a friend (i preordered mine from the label), and it came with a pink cd in a paper sleeve that says "An Okkervil River Primer". has 7 or 8 songs from all of their different releases - an exceptional marketing idea, and a cool thing to get for free when you buy the album. not sure if these are limited numbers or anything, but i'd guess they are only doing it for a short time.

TomAz
08-10-2007, 06:41 AM
So then its PHX on the 31st and Tucson on the 1st? Also, Naked Prey is playing this week if anyone knows what I'm talking about. For like 3 bucks too.

where?

mob roulette
08-10-2007, 08:40 AM
where?

Some little dive bar in Tucson called The Hut. I've never been so I don't know. They've been booking the creme de la creme of the local music scene lately though. If that means anything.

TomAz
08-10-2007, 08:41 AM
oh. not playing up here?

mob roulette
08-10-2007, 09:03 AM
Nope. I think's it's just a one-off for now. Maybe later. I don't know if they're reforming or just doing a little reunion tour or what. I think maybe they're just getting their feet wet, testing the waters for now.

ewiggy
08-10-2007, 09:51 PM
the tracklisting for that primer CD is:

1. Westfall
2. Red
3. The War Criminal Rises and Speaks
4. For Real
5. Black
6. No Key, No Plan
7. O'Dana

sonofhal
08-10-2007, 10:15 PM
It saddens me that i still haven't heard this album, and can't find a European release date.

bballarl
08-10-2007, 11:44 PM
I'm officially adding this band to my list of groups to check out. Along with Magnolia Electric Co. and other Molina projects. And about 4000 other things. Too much music exists.

sonofhal
08-11-2007, 12:32 AM
I'm officially adding this band to my list of groups to check out. Along with Magnolia Electric Co. and other Molina projects. And about 4000 other things. Too much music exists.

I know exactly what you mean. I normally do a Top 50 albums of the year. Last year it became 100. This year it's already passed the 100 mark with 5 months to go. (plus i'm still picking up stuff i missed from last year).

ewiggy
08-11-2007, 08:05 AM
chris - i believe it's already out over there. maybe you can order direct from jagjaguwar? i'd check but i'm in a hurry to get out of new mexico.

if you order via jagjaguwar you will get a coupon for a free digital download so you can hear it immediately.

godspeed.

nothingman00
08-11-2007, 08:34 AM
Get the version with the demo's also. Fantastic stuff

full on idle
08-11-2007, 09:51 AM
the tracklisting for that primer CD is:

1. Westfall
2. Red
3. The War Criminal Rises and Speaks
4. For Real
5. Black
6. No Key, No Plan
7. O'Dana

These are seven of my favorite songs. This comes with the cd? I need to purchase a hard copy of this this weekend.

full on idle
08-11-2007, 09:52 AM
I'm officially adding this band to my list of groups to check out. Along with Magnolia Electric Co. and other Molina projects. And about 4000 other things. Too much music exists.
As long as it's official.

TomAz
08-11-2007, 12:28 PM
I listened to the new album for the first time yesterday. I had to replay "Plus Ones" three times in a row, it's a great song.

Courtney
08-11-2007, 04:31 PM
This comes with the cd? I need to purchase a hard copy of this this weekend.

I'm not sure they're selling it everywhere. I was at Amoeba in LA today and they're definitely not selling the bonus cd there as part of a pack. Just fyi.

ewiggy
08-11-2007, 05:41 PM
i would check your smaller, indie record store. amoeba probably had them but i'm sure it's not an unlimited supply.

also, i don't feel like bumping the thread but i'd like to raise my album rating of TSN from whatever i had before to a 9.5.

CuervoPH
08-11-2007, 05:44 PM
It will be my next purchase. (Well, technically the new Eisley is my next purchase, but I already pre-ordered that). Looks like Border's will get a visit from me tomorrow.

nothingman00
08-11-2007, 09:14 PM
I listened to the new album for the first time yesterday. I had to replay "Plus Ones" three times in a row, it's a great song.

Complete agreement, Tommy, 'Plus Ones" is damn special as is the demo version.

nothingman00
08-11-2007, 09:19 PM
i would check your smaller, indie record store. amoeba probably had them but i'm sure it's not an unlimited supply.

also, i don't feel like bumping the thread but i'd like to raise my album rating of TSN from whatever i had before to a 9.5.

ewiggy, I'd be very inclined to put this album at a 10, if judging based on the other releases of the year. Personally, I think this album is the best album I've heard all year. My expectations were exceptionally high, but this album has exceeded them. Following up Black Sheep Boy (and he Appendix) was difficult but they managed to do it well.

ewiggy
08-11-2007, 09:51 PM
ewiggy, I'd be very inclined to put this album at a 10, if judging based on the other releases of the year. Personally, I think this album is the best album I've heard all year. My expectations were exceptionally high, but this album has exceeded them. Following up Black Sheep Boy (and he Appendix) was difficult but they managed to do it well.

i hear you, but it's got to work up to a 10 if at all. i don't think i've ever given anything a 10 before. 10 is perfect. so far, when i listen to TSN, i still generally skip Savannah Smiles and Title Track. not because they're bad - they're actually both pretty good - but just because usually i don't want to hear them.

a 10 would be a play-through record that is PERFECT in every way.

a 9.5 is as high as i feel comfortable going right now.

TomAz
08-11-2007, 09:58 PM
no 10 for bauhaus?

ahahahahaha

come on. you gotta have 10s in your life. srsly. let go. don't worry about the small shit. i have my 10s and yes if pressed I can point to flaws in all of them but fuck that. sometimes they're 10s despite the flaws. sometimes they're 10s because of the flaws.

mob roulette
08-11-2007, 10:45 PM
i hear you, but it's got to work up to a 10 if at all. i don't think i've ever given anything a 10 before. 10 is perfect. so far, when i listen to TSN, i still generally skip Savannah Smiles and Title Track. not because they're bad - they're actually both pretty good - but just because usually i don't want to hear them.

a 10 would be a play-through record that is PERFECT in every way.

a 9.5 is as high as i feel comfortable going right now.

Kristen, are you serious about this? That would make it album of the year. Do you think you'll feel the same way about it in six months? You ARE a pretty big fan. I mean, everyone knows I'm all about the Spoon and hyped their new record fairly incessantly, but even I can admit it's not as good as their last one. I'm not even sure it will be in my top 2 or 3. I will pick up Stage Names tomorrow and see for myself. But a 9.5? Really? You're getting into pretty dizzying heights there. Is it as good as Kid A, for example? Will kids name check it in ten years? Because that's the territory you're ascribing it to here.

Not hating. Just being cautious on your behalf.

sonofhal
08-12-2007, 12:20 AM
http://www.play.com/Music/CD/4-/3437743/The-Stage-Names/Product.html

Out at the end of sept here. Who do i have to kill to get the 2cd version? Seems to be sold out on all the US websites already. My wife is over in New York next weekend. Are any stores likely to have it?

ewiggy
08-12-2007, 07:18 AM
come on. you gotta have 10s in your life. srsly. let go. don't worry about the small shit. i have my 10s and yes if pressed I can point to flaws in all of them but fuck that. sometimes they're 10s despite the flaws. sometimes they're 10s because of the flaws.

i mostly just meant that since i've been rating things on this board, i have not given a 10. that also might be a lie - i don't care to dig back to check. i certainly have my 10s. BSB is one of them. BSBA is another. etc.


Kristen, are you serious about this? That would make it album of the year. Do you think you'll feel the same way about it in six months? You ARE a pretty big fan. I mean, everyone knows I'm all about the Spoon and hyped their new record fairly incessantly, but even I can admit it's not as good as their last one. I'm not even sure it will be in my top 2 or 3. I will pick up Stage Names tomorrow and see for myself. But a 9.5? Really? You're getting into pretty dizzying heights there. Is it as good as Kid A, for example? Will kids name check it in ten years? Because that's the territory you're ascribing it to here.

Not hating. Just being cautious on your behalf.

ok. here we go.

i can't speak for anyone else, but yeah, so far it's album of the year for me.

the fact that it was a large portion of my soundtrack to an entire 3600 mile up-and-over cross-country-twice week-long roadtrip probably makes it a little more of a visceral experience for me.

it's been playing almost non-stop for weeks. to be able to mark this transition with this album is incredible. what good timing.

the album deals with subjects of love, loss, fame, moving on, etc, and has a decidedly west coast feel to it. i put on "Unless It's Kicks" as i came into Orange County.


On a dark windless night,
With the stereo on,
With the towns flying by,
And the ground getting soft.

And a sound in the sky,
Coming down from above,
It surrounds you and sighs,
And it's whispering out -

"What pulls your body down, that is quicksand - So climb out quick, hand-over-hand before your mouths all filled up"

this song is so good i can't help but crank it up to probably-dangerous levels and scream along.

like someone said a few posts ago - i had exceptionally and probably unfairly high standards for this release. i tried to convince myself there would be no way that i'd be pleased with what i heard after i had built it up so much in my head. but i loved it. not on first listen. or second. but on 100th listen or whatever i'm at now - it's a fucking 9.5. and maybe it'll be a 10 later on. but it's only been out for 5 days, officially.

go fucking listen to it already.


Out at the end of sept here. Who do i have to kill to get the 2cd version? Seems to be sold out on all the US websites already. My wife is over in New York next weekend. Are any stores likely to have it?

i would imagine that you'd be able to find it at an indie record store somewhere. let me know if you can't find the deluxe version, and i'll grab you one somewhere before they're all gone. i believe there were only 500 made. i read somewhere that Jagjaguwar had 700 or so themselves and those sold out during pre-orders.

nothingman00
08-12-2007, 09:15 AM
i would imagine that you'd be able to find it at an indie record store somewhere. let me know if you can't find the deluxe version, and i'll grab you one somewhere before they're all gone. i believe there were only 500 made. i read somewhere that Jagjaguwar had 700 or so themselves and those sold out during pre-orders.

I was also led to believe that there were 700 of the Deluxe version... However, I can't remember where I heard that, so maybe I'm recycling mis-information.

That said, yeah, it was tough to top BSB and BSB Appendix, but I'm willing to put TSN on the same level. I even enjoy just taking a few minutes and reading the lyric sheet as though it were a short book of poems (which it is). As for the rating thing, I always rate (when doing these types of threads) based solely on an album's relation to other albums released from that year. So, by those standards, I've got TSN at a 10. By O.K. Computer, Dark Side of the Moon, Are You Experienced?, In the Aeroplane Over the Sea, Either/Or, et al standards, then maybe I lower it to 9 or 9.5... But for 2007, it's a 10.

ewiggy
08-12-2007, 10:08 AM
I was also led to believe that there were 700 of the Deluxe version... However, I can't remember where I heard that, so maybe I'm recycling mis-information.

i believe Jagjaguwar had 700 of the deluxe version for themselves. the rest were sent out to record stores, Insound, etc. i'm pretty sure the total number is 5000.


As for the rating thing, I always rate (when doing these types of threads) based solely on an album's relation to other albums released from that year.

oh. well, yeah. if that's what we're doing here, it's a 10. but that's not how i've been rating things.

mob roulette
08-12-2007, 11:44 AM
Okay. So.

I went to the Zia on Speedway this morning and they hadn’t even received it yet. He said they’d be getting twenty copies or so on Tuesday, but none of the deluxe edition. Word to the wise. Same story at Borders, no copies in store and no copies of the deluxe edition in the warehouse. Again, word to the wise. Best Buy had exactly one copy of the regular version and so I snapped it up. That second CD might end up being a collector’s item here, if there is any truth to the rumors of it being that limited. Can’t we get these guys on a major label already?

Okay. So.

This album is a fucking monster. Believe the hype. Thank you, Kristen, for twisting my arm in this direction. Thank you, thank you, thank you. It’s buoyant, it’s focused, it’s strangely optimistic, it’s mature, and it's honest as hell. What in God's name are they putting in the water in Austin anyway? The one-two punch of “Our Life Is Not a Movie or Maybe” and “Unless It’s Kicks” is one of the best that I’ve heard in a long, long time. Not enough acts realize the simple power of the one-two punch anymore, I feel. And Will Sheff is one hell of a lyricist. Seriously. He's one hell of a songwriter and now that he's learned to effectively communicate some of the larger ideas he has in his head through his songs, I feel that the sky's the limit for this band. One of my chief complaints with some of their earlier stuff that I had heard was that it sometimes felt to me to be a bit disingenuous. A bit too much clever wordplay and not enough real, heartfelt emotion. Meanwhile Sheff would be singing his ass off, as if his life depended on it. I never doubted his sincerity, not by any means, but I always felt that there were just a bit too many convenient couplets in some of his earlier attempts. Not so here. The batch of songs that have been created for The Stage Names are as literate as they are heartbreaking. Each small tale, each snapshot is so infused with meaning and real feeling that the album itself defies and then rises above any simple notion of genre. It’s cinema-verite at its finest and it’s a lot better than it has to be. I wish that more of today's current acts could step up to the plate like this. The aforementioned “Unless It’s Kicks” is the best individual song that I’ve heard all year. It deserves to be blasting in every car stereo from here to Canada. And the track “Plus Ones” is a certifiable work of art. I will have to listen to the album a lot more before I can offer any further opinions about it, but right now I would easily say that it’s squarely in my top 5 for the year and I wouldn’t be surprised if it held the top spot come December. Buy it. Buy it, buy it, buy it. You won't be sorry.

Also, one quick question. Are the 8 Chinese Brothers in “Plus Ones” an R.E.M. reference? Perhaps a bit of one-upmanship going on here? How old is this guy anyway? Okay thanks.

mob roulette
08-12-2007, 12:00 PM
What gives this mess some grace unless it's fiction? Unless it's licks, man, unless it's lies or it's love? What breaks this heart the most is the ghost of some rock and roll fan, floating up from the stands with her heart opened up. And I want to tell her, "your love isn't lost," and say "my heart is still crossed!" I want to scream, "hey you're so wonderful! What a dream in the dark, about working so hard, about glowing, so stoned, trying not to turn off, trying not to believe in that lie all on your own."

God bless you, Will Sheff. God bless and keep you.

Yablonowitz
08-12-2007, 12:19 PM
I just heard The Stage Names for the first time. I immediately feel that it is, without a doubt, holding nothing back, an album of 10 songs (that includes an extra "exclusive" track from emusic). I really believe that in my heart.

The 10 songs also sounded pretty good.

mob roulette
08-12-2007, 12:24 PM
Well, Greg says it's no Boxer. Am I reading that right, good sir?

mountmccabe
08-12-2007, 12:27 PM
Boxer and The Stage Names are polar opposites in most everything I can think of except level of quality.

TomAz
08-12-2007, 12:41 PM
Also, one quick question. Are the 8 Chinese Brothers in “Plus Ones” an R.E.M. reference? Perhaps a bit of one-upmanship going on here? How old is this guy anyway? Okay thanks.

I assumed so yes. Unless somebody else has a song called 7 Chinese Brothers too. I'm guessing Sheff's about 30 or so.

mob roulette
08-12-2007, 01:40 PM
I assumed so yes. Unless somebody else has a song called 7 Chinese Brothers too. I'm guessing Sheff's about 30 or so.

Oh, I see it now. I just read the lyrics for the first time. Sorry. 8 Chinese Brothers is R.E.M, 97th Tear is ? and the Mysterians, 100 Luftballoons is Nina, TVC16 is Bowie, 9 Miles High is The Byrds, Cell 45 is The Zombies, 51st Way is Paul Simon, 4th Time a Lady is The Commodores, 17 Candles is The Crests (or whoever it was). Plus ones. I get it. Clever. And I don't mind it at all.

I'm sorry, was this covered already? I forgot to check.

full on idle
08-12-2007, 02:07 PM
At this point I'd give the Stage Names a 7.

Yablonowitz
08-12-2007, 02:25 PM
Well, Greg says it's no Boxer. Am I reading that right, good sir?

I've listened to it once, so, no, that's not correct. At least not yet. It sounded good, that's all I got.

mob roulette
08-12-2007, 02:44 PM
At this point I'd give the Stage Names a 7.

One can't help but wonder how sincere this is. Stated.

full on idle
08-12-2007, 02:45 PM
Questioning my sincerity is boring.

mob roulette
08-12-2007, 02:49 PM
The fact that I called you on it might mean that I understand you more than you think I do.

full on idle
08-12-2007, 02:51 PM
You're really deep.

mob roulette
08-12-2007, 02:57 PM
Forget it. We can continue this at a later date.

full on idle
08-12-2007, 02:59 PM
Ok.

mob roulette
08-12-2007, 03:13 PM
Cough. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Berryman) Sorry, I know I'm late to the party. But whatever.

Yablonowitz
08-12-2007, 04:12 PM
Will Sheff is one hell of a lyricist. Seriously. He's one hell of a songwriter and now that he's learned to effectively communicate some of the larger ideas he has in his head through his songs, I feel that the sky's the limit for this band. One of my chief complaints with some of their earlier stuff that I had heard was that it sometimes felt to me to be a bit disingenuous. A bit too much clever wordplay and not enough real, heartfelt emotion.

The one thing I did observe from the first listen was an improvement in lyrics (not sure if the delivery is going to be as effective. I mean, how do you beat the way Sheff sings "Black"?). He did sound completely in command of his words and was saying things that had an intuitive quality to them. But again, one listen is just nothing for me to make any judgment upon.

mob roulette
08-12-2007, 04:47 PM
"A Girl In Port" is the most beautiful song I've heard all year. There. I said it.

Somewhat Damaged
08-12-2007, 07:06 PM
Okay. So.

I went to the Zia on Speedway this morning and they hadn’t even received it yet. He said they’d be getting twenty copies or so on Tuesday, but none of the deluxe edition. Word to the wise. Same story at Borders, no copies in store and no copies of the deluxe edition in the warehouse. Again, word to the wise. Best Buy had exactly one copy of the regular version and so I snapped it up. That second CD might end up being a collector’s item here, if there is any truth to the rumors of it being that limited. Can’t we get these guys on a major label already?

Thanks for giving me the heads up on when I can expect to get my hands on this. That Zia's been dropping the ball on new releases lately. I went in on the first day Justice came out and the girl hadn't heard of them and when she looked it up, she said it was only available internationally. Great review, by the way.

ewiggy
08-12-2007, 07:35 PM
i think it's worth mentioning that Sheff has said that he wrote these songs with the intent of being able to sing them in a cleaner, more polished fashion. he's grown as a songwriter to the point where he's clear as to what his vocal limitations are. i think sometimes he intentionally goes beyond them, but i get the impression that TSN was intended to come off as produced and smooth.

i read that before i had actually heard the album, and it made me kind of sad. i enjoyed the particular vehemence found in the delivery of the past several albums - especially BSB. the voice cracks, the slurred words, the i can't really sing very well but what i've got to say is so fucking important that i'm just going to get it out however - that is fucking exciting. i love it. it's what made me fall in love with the band in the first place. (it's also worth noting that Valarie had mentioned this to me weeks ago. just voicing it here, because it is valid and i comletely agree).

Sheff said that for BSB they hardly rehearsed the songs prior to recording them or playing them live - they were going for a gritty, loose sound. it fit the story of the album.

but TSN was supposed to be different, and the story here begs to be told in a different fashion. music is not much unlike visual art in the sense that the artist(s) should be continuously adjusting and adapting their craft. if each album isn't at least a little different than their last, i'm bored and can't really take it seriously.

TomAz
08-12-2007, 09:33 PM
that makes sense to me. there are a few places on TSN where I think, 'this doesn't sound like OR, it sounds too polished.' I haven't decided what I think of that yet.

nothingman00
08-12-2007, 10:27 PM
May I make one final comment about TSN then I'll shut up for at least 12 hours... The tracklisting is absolutely perfect. I mean, the opening two tracks set the mood perfectly... "Plus Ones" flowing into "A Girl in Port" where Sheff refers to Cindy as "someone's plus one" and then goes into that beautiful verse about Cindy playing the record with its grooves worn thin and "She's got a story you can;t see: it's just between that name and Cindy"... And then closing with John Allyn Smith Sails... Perfect tracklisting. OK, enough of the OR love fest from me for awhile.

full on idle
08-12-2007, 11:28 PM
The more I listen to it,
the less it seems that the vocals are what make it < a ten, it's that the uptempo songs seem like dance-rythmed, and I'm gonna have to take some time to digest the sound of Okkervil River in indie dance rythym. I spelled rythym wrong.

full on idle
08-12-2007, 11:37 PM
it's kindof a slut

full on idle
08-12-2007, 11:41 PM
like they have to be kidding in some parts on purpose

TomAz
08-13-2007, 07:13 AM
The more I listen to it,
the less it seems that the vocals are what make it < a ten, it's that the uptempo songs seem like dance-rythmed, and I'm gonna have to take some time to digest the sound of Okkervil River in indie dance rythym. I spelled rythym wrong.

yes that's it exactly. you put your finger on what i couldn't.

mob roulette
08-13-2007, 08:04 AM
Everybody has to eat. Try being past thirty and touring around in a stinky van all the time. Not saying that's what's going on here, but many men have signed on the dotted line for less. Mr. Sheff and co. have certainly earned the right to be commercial. I don't think it's a sellout anyway, so perhaps the point is moot.

I will say that a song like "Kicks", released as a single and marketed right, could be a huge hit. You won't lose your band or anything, there just might be some new kids at the show that you don't know yet.

nothingman00
08-13-2007, 08:19 AM
Get the acoustic version to hear a more subdued version of the more upbeat tracks. I understand what you're saying, but BSB had a couple of those type of tracks... "For Real" was certainly commercial enough and "No Key, No Plan" was upbeat... "The Latest toughs" was quite upbeat, and maybe more Indie-danceable than any other song in the OR catalog.

TomAz
08-13-2007, 08:32 AM
i don't think it's the beat so much as it is the vocals on a song like "A Hand to Take Hold of the Scene". not saying it's bad, but it's slicker than I'm used to from Will.

full on idle
08-13-2007, 10:51 AM
I thought I saw the forecast calling for a shitstorm of rhetoric.

I never used the word "commercial."

In addition, please spare me that "everybody's gotta make a livin' in this world" crap, I'm giving a critical response to an album. I love those guys, I have for a while. I'm not judging their character. That whole "do you think they should be driving around in a van" thing is such a knee-jerk reaction.

mob roulette
08-13-2007, 11:26 AM
I'm saying there's nothing inherently wrong with making a dollar. We all know it's a business. I also qualified that statement by saying I don't think it was a push in earnest to make it more commercial. I was just saying I wouldn't blame them if it was.

I hear the dance punk vibe too a little. And I think it works. I also like the the clean lines here as well as the overall approach to recording. As Kristen already alluded to, it sounds like this was a concious decision on the band's part. I like the way the record SOUNDS, but then again, I'm not a long-time fan like yourself. But I have been there before. So I totally understand what you're saying here.

Here, I have an analogy for you. On one hand, take the Rolling Stones. The Rolling Stones are a one trick pony and everyone knows it. Being that it is one of the greatest tricks in rock and roll history, they've milked it and they've never strayed too far from their tried and true formula. On the other hand, you have someone like Prince, who has gone through countless permutations, name changes, record labels, and distribution deals, all in the name of his own personal growth. And so I ask you, who has the bigger audience today? This has nothing to do with artistic merit, of course, just who has the largest active audience. It's the Stones. And there's reasons for that. It's their incessant touring, it's the public's nostalgia and appetite for what the band delivered in their first fifteen years or so of existence. But probably the most important reason why the Stones are/were so successful is that they never "betrayed" their core audience, for lack of a better word. They delivered the goods, those same exact goods, time and time again and the public at large ate it up. Yet Prince is the one who continues to be more creative and continues to release the more adventurous work. But who's buying it exactly? How many records does he sell today compared to when he put out Purple Rain? It's a peculiar dichotomy and one that is probably particular only to artistic endeavors, I would think. I don't know if the same double standard exists in "indie" rock, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it did. Modest Mouse, anyone? Hell, Nirvana. Nevermind is a fucking POP record, for all intents and purposes. I mean, come on.

This small dissertation had nothing to do with anything, btw. Franks.

Yablonowitz
08-13-2007, 12:00 PM
Second listen of this album has led me to think that Boxer it is not. For me, anyway.

mountmccabe
08-13-2007, 12:51 PM
I'm saying there's nothing inherently wrong with making a dollar.

And no one is arguing with you.

"Knee-jerk" reaction is quite perfect; the trigger for this was hugely disproportionate to the response. No one is talking about betrayl or throngs of MTV-ites with no sense of history there for the hit single. No one's saying it's a bad album.


It didn't hit me as immensely as Black Sheep Boy did the first time but that's totes expected; at that time I was completely unprepared. I need a few more listens to have a better guess at what I'll think a few months from now, etc.

Though I think in the Rate All 2007 Albums thread I'm pretty sure I've already called it at least an 8.

mob roulette
08-13-2007, 01:34 PM
And no one is arguing with you.



This small dissertation had nothing to do with anything, btw. Franks.

Although I was almost certain that FOI was basing her lowered rating of the record in part because it sounded poppier, sheenier, dancier, basically, more commercial. That's how I read it anyway. I guess I must have misunderstood her tone here. Or we were play fighting over something else entirely.

But point well taken. Thank you for telling me.

mountmccabe
08-13-2007, 02:24 PM
Although I was almost certain that FOI was basing her lowered rating of the record in part because it sounded poppier, sheenier, dancier, basically, more commercial. That's how I read it anyway. I guess I must have misunderstood her tone here. Or we were play fighting over something else entirely.

But point well taken. Thank you for telling me.

I will admit I didn't do more than skim your post past that first paragraph. So, uhh, sorry.

But beyond that I'm not going to try again. I have no idea how else to explain the logical leaps you're making.

I'mn't sure if you're really thinking this way or you're ironically playing the flag in the wind indie/hipster stereotype to the hilt but either way it'sn't fun.

I really like the album but I'm not prepared to go much beyond that at this time. That's good enough for me.

full on idle
08-13-2007, 02:49 PM
t'internet.

Yablonowitz
08-13-2007, 04:10 PM
And no one is arguing with you.

"Knee-jerk" reaction is quite perfect; the trigger for this was hugely disproportionate to the response. No one is talking about betrayl or throngs of MTV-ites with no sense of history there for the hit single. No one's saying it's a bad album.


It didn't hit me as immensely as Black Sheep Boy did the first time but that's totes expected; at that time I was completely unprepared. I need a few more listens to have a better guess at what I'll think a few months from now, etc.

Though I think in the Rate All 2007 Albums thread I'm pretty sure I've already called it at least an 8.

It sits at 6.5 for me. And I don't think this is any more "commercial" than their last album. The production was more to my liking on BSB.

ewiggy
08-13-2007, 06:56 PM
i can't believe it's 2007 and people still talk about bands "selling out". i don't even really know what that means anymore.

mob roulette
08-13-2007, 07:29 PM
I guess I lost the Okkervil River thread. Even though I was baited and I took it. It's kind of a shame too because I really like the record. I'm also slightly jealous because he is a better songwriter than I am. Maybe. Sometimes. Maybe.

full on idle
08-13-2007, 08:11 PM
hey


HEY



Look at me. LOOK AT ME. There are NO LOSERS in this thread. No one baited you Fievel. Chin up.

ewiggy
08-13-2007, 08:30 PM
http://www.movieconnection.it/schede/fievel_sbarca.jpg

ahahah

mob roulette
08-13-2007, 08:39 PM
Fievel. I'm totally naming my new band that. Thank you. Or the record. Or a b-side. Or something.

Yablonowitz
08-13-2007, 09:15 PM
Two listens later and I think I'll upgrade to a 7.5. Listening while exercising is always the best test. The first two songs are fantastic but there are others that just don't work for me. I definitely think it's a solid album, could move up but not too much. I would only put BSB at an 8.5.

full on idle
08-13-2007, 09:17 PM
I thought you'd see this and it would be hilarious but you left and if you read it when you come back it might hurt your feelings and that's the last thing I want to do D. Montana.

Neutral Milk Hotel
08-14-2007, 03:15 AM
The new album is INCREDIBLE. Easily top album of the year so far.

Yablonowitz
08-14-2007, 08:13 AM
Challengers>The Stage Names

ewiggy
08-14-2007, 02:40 PM
greg, for some reason i thought you were a bigger OR fan than you apparently are.

Yablonowitz
08-14-2007, 05:59 PM
greg, for some reason i thought you were a bigger OR fan than you apparently are.

Oh, there are songs that really get me going like "Black", "For Real," "So Come Back, I'm Waiting", "A Stone" and "Our Life is Not a Movie or Maybe."

The ones where he really pours his voice into it. Other tracks I like but don't get that huge rush feeling.

I think Sheff has a voice from the gods, though.

mob roulette
08-14-2007, 06:50 PM
I think Sheff has a voice from the gods, though.

That's a bold statement too. He's got heaven-sent songwriting abilities, but I don't think his voice is all that great. Not in the traditional sense of the word. But it is passionate, so I know what you mean.

Also, I just realized that's Daniel Johnston singing on "Happy Hearts". Why didn't someone tell me this before? I would have been on board a long time ago.

ewiggy
08-14-2007, 08:27 PM
valarie and i forgot. sorry about that. team okkervil can only do so much.

also i agree with greg about Sheff's voice. it's not a traditionally nice voice, but when i think about old folk songs i can't really think of anyone who has a perfect-sounding voice.

also greg - i'm glad to see you like "So Come Back, I am Waiting", because i think it is their best work. one of my favorite songs of all time - bone-chilling and hair-raising when they play it live.

full on idle
08-14-2007, 08:42 PM
I started to read that story and there were like 16 adjectives per sentence so I put it aside for the time being. It's translated from Russian and there's all these pencil marked edits, did you make those?

Yablonowitz
08-14-2007, 09:56 PM
That's a bold statement too. He's got heaven-sent songwriting abilities, but I don't think his voice is all that great. Not in the traditional sense of the word. But it is passionate, so I know what you mean.

Also, I just realized that's Daniel Johnston singing on "Happy Hearts". Why didn't someone tell me this before? I would have been on board a long time ago.

Well, I don't know enough about singing to know what makes someone conventionally "good" or not. I just say that because his voice is insanely affecting at times, like he's channeling about 30 forms of emotion at once. That's what I mean by a voice of the gods.

ewiggy
08-14-2007, 10:49 PM
I started to read that story and there were like 16 adjectives per sentence so I put it aside for the time being. It's translated from Russian and there's all these pencil marked edits, did you make those?

yeah - i had a hard time with it. i didn't make the pencil marks, though.

Boourns
08-15-2007, 01:58 AM
I always read this as "Overkill River"...argh.

Hannahrain
08-15-2007, 06:28 AM
I have the opposite problem. I always read the word "overkill" as "Okkervil".

sonofhal
08-15-2007, 08:12 AM
Urge Okkervil. What ever happened to them?

ewiggy
08-15-2007, 12:51 PM
from Will Sheff, on the OR board:


Hi everybody. I've freaking missed this board! Thanks sincerely for all your support recently. We are so proud of this record and have been waiting for it to come out for what feels like forever, but now it's finally out and we're fully immersed in the insanity of trying to make sure everything's ready to go before we leave on tour. There's a video waiting in the wings as well as the slightly surreal fact that we'll be appearing on "Late Night with Conan O'Brien" at the 28th of this month, but aside from all that I wanted to let New York fans know that I'll be playing a solo set this Saturday night at Sound Fix records in Williamsburg. It's kind of a last-minute thing, but this is the first place the band's announced it - I'll be doing almost entirely material from the new album as well as a couple of surprises. If you live in town, come on down and check it out. If not, we'll see you soon on our upcoming tour. I am really looking forward to going out and getting onstage to see you guys again.

bug on your lip
08-15-2007, 01:00 PM
I wanted to let New York fans know that I'll be playing a solo set this Saturday night at Sound Fix records in Williamsburg. It's kind of a last-minute thing, but this is the first place the band's announced it - I'll be doing almost entirely material from the new album as well as a couple of surprises. If you live in town, come on down and check it out.

OH MY GOD EWIGGY!
TURN THE CAR AROUND !!!!!!

Somewhat Damaged
08-15-2007, 07:03 PM
Do their setlists change much from night to night or if I were to see their show in Phoenix on 8/31, will I be basically seeing the same set the following night in Tucson?

mob roulette
08-15-2007, 07:14 PM
I don't know, but I'm probably going to both.

Somewhat Damaged
08-15-2007, 07:44 PM
I picked up The Stage Names at that Zia on Speedway today. They only had 2 copies left. Despite what you wrote before, I asked if they had the special edition at any of their locations; no luck. I'm listening to it for the first time right now -- where might I have heard "Our Life Is Not a Movie or Maybe" before? I don't listen to the radio at all so that can't be it. Was it used for a trailer? That's an amazing song. The second half hasn't wowed me the way the first few songs did, but then it took me a few listens to really get into Black Sheep Boy as well.

ghettojournalist
08-15-2007, 08:19 PM
i didn't catch it on the thread, but OR debuted at 62 on the Billboard top 200.

full on idle
08-15-2007, 09:04 PM
Impressive.

ewiggy
08-15-2007, 10:30 PM
that is so fucking cool. that makes me very happy. i'm sure that number will go up after their performance on Conan on 8/28.

mob roulette
08-18-2007, 12:00 PM
So is the first part of the opening verse of "A Hand to Hold the Scene" about Tony Soprano? I mean, I know it's about Will, but is that the allusion here? Somehow I think that it is.

ewiggy
08-18-2007, 03:24 PM
So is the first part of the opening verse of "A Hand to Hold the Scene" about Tony Soprano? I mean, I know it's about Will, but is that the allusion here? Somehow I think that it is.

not exactly. the first two sections of that opening verse are (i think) references to TV shows that have played Okkervil songs.

see:


I'm a band in a show about a man holding hands with his wife on a therapist's couch, with his face to the ground (after fucking around countless nights) and, in this one episode, close-up cameras are showing him crying, his red head and his red eyes.

this references the show Breaking Bonaduce. "It Ends with a Fall" was used.


I'm a band in a show about a boy being buried alive, from his head to his toes, by a criminal (but with a sensitive soul!) with a set of raccoon eyes, and there's this scene in the show when a hustler knows he's going to die. The ground opens and he climbs inside. And as he speaks his last line, a thought falls from his mind and I pick it up right through the TV: Is there a hand to take hold of the scene?

..and this one is from Cold Case. "BSB #4" was used.

mob roulette
08-18-2007, 04:57 PM
not exactly. the first two sections of that opening verse are (i think) references to TV shows that have played Okkervil songs.

see:



this references the show Breaking Bonaduce. "It Ends with a Fall" was used.



..and this one is from Cold Case. "BSB #4" was used.

Oh. Well, I don't watch any of THOSE shows.























(Actually, that's even better. "Breaking Bonaduce". That's funny. Thank you for clarifying.)

ewiggy
08-18-2007, 07:12 PM
i don't, either. it was recycled information from the OR board. apparently other people do actually watch them.

nothingman00
08-19-2007, 10:57 AM
I think the whole back story behind "Savannah Smiles" and "(Shannon Wilsey on the) Starry Stairs" (available on itunes only) are just gut-wrenchingly heartbreaking. She (Savannah) was one of the few porn stars that I've ever really heard of (along with Traci Lords, Jenna Jameson) that existed in some realm that didn't confine her simply to porn. Just a really tragic figure and the lyrics to both songs just send shivers down my spine after reading up on Savannah on the OR board... I don't know... This album just keeps getting better and better in my mind...

Ewiggy- I know you're very active on the OR board. Can you direct me to a place to download some live Okkervil shows? I have the one solo Sheff show that was posted, the ACL show, and an old Emo's show that I attended in 2005. Could you PM me or post some hints? Pretty please? Thanks.

ewiggy
08-19-2007, 11:23 AM
Ewiggy- I know you're very active on the OR board. Can you direct me to a place to download some live Okkervil shows? I have the one solo Sheff show that was posted, the ACL show, and an old Emo's show that I attended in 2005. Could you PM me or post some hints? Pretty please? Thanks.

yep. PMs, dude.

idrive1life
08-19-2007, 05:28 PM
I bought the The Stage Names vinyl today in Orlando indie B&M store. Not bad for $12+ since it comes with free digital download coupon of entire album in MP3 inside (just downloaded it into my itunes and now listening to it), free poster given by the store & free CD also from the store (An Okkervil Primer 1. Westfall 2. Red 3. The War Criminal Rises and Speaks 4. For Real 5. Black 6. No Key, No Plan 7. O, Dana. I already have the amazing BSB CD.) .

Somewhat Damaged
08-19-2007, 05:36 PM
So I sat down and read the lyrics as I listened to the album today. The first four songs are just gorgeous, really tremendous. The last couple of tracks aren't quite up to the same level and hinder me from considering the album the best of the year but it's got me excited to see them.

idrive1life
08-19-2007, 06:44 PM
1st listening to all - A Girl In Port is the best for me (6th track).

Yeah, thanks for this thread on that 8/28 Conan thing. I wish they are playing one of those dates (9/14 or 15 or 16) instead in ACL.

TomAz
08-20-2007, 09:41 AM
Just got my 8/31 ticket. I know John's going, anyone else?

Yablonowitz
08-20-2007, 09:49 AM
I'm thinking of referring to them as Overexamined River.

TomAz
08-20-2007, 09:59 AM
AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!

oh, wait (http://www.coachella.com/forum/showpost.php?p=271976&postcount=178).

Yablonowitz
08-20-2007, 10:08 AM
Jesus Christ. I'm hanging it up. That's embarrassing. Beaten to the joke by boourns.

bug on your lip
08-20-2007, 10:15 AM
that was a joke?

ewiggy
08-20-2007, 10:16 AM
Just got my 8/31 ticket. I know John's going, anyone else?

i'm still debating it. also, yablo is dead to me.

full on idle
08-20-2007, 10:49 AM
oh dear Dusty

TomAz
08-20-2007, 12:24 PM
yablo is dead to me.

is it his nipples?

ewiggy
08-20-2007, 12:26 PM
i think he already had them removed.

ewiggy
08-20-2007, 12:26 PM
it was the last straw, really.

Hannahrain
08-20-2007, 12:27 PM
Well, that's good. As long as they're properly preserved, they can use them to recreate him as soon as they have the technology. The rest of his body will be worm food by then.

ewiggy
08-22-2007, 08:35 AM
valarie and friends: the band is doing an in-store @ Amoeba in SF on 09/06/07 at 6pm.

sonofhal
08-22-2007, 10:34 AM
Today was a good day, for the following happened.

1. I had the day off work
2. My Okkervil River CD turned up (I will now be bringing many Kinder Eggs to Indio next April)
3. I went to see The Bourne Ultimatum followed by Eagle Vs Shark.
4. My best mate, who got fucked up by a shitty relationship last year, is finally seeing someone again.
5. I got home to see Okkervil River had added a second date in London.

So, in conclusion, all happiness begins and ends with Okkervil River.

ewiggy
08-22-2007, 12:27 PM
he speaks the truth. the lady at the post office told me that i had to write out "United Kingdom", because they wouldn't know what "UK" stood for. srsly.

Yablonowitz
08-22-2007, 12:29 PM
Will Sheff equated downloading of music to shoplifting in a recent interview with The Onion.

Also, he sort of looks like Corky.

ewiggy
08-22-2007, 02:25 PM
AVC: Jack White got upset when Icky Thump leaked to radio early, it seems, because somebody else had taken control of his music.

WS: The weird thing about it is, if you do what Jack White did and get all angry and chew somebody out on the air, you immediately run afoul of all these idealistic Internet ideologues, who will make you look like this cranky old dinosaur. You have to pretend that you're not bothered by it. So that's the tack that I'm taking. It's like if you're working in a store and people come and openly shoplift from you, and you're not allowed to say anything about it. Instead, you're supposed to smile and go, "Hope you enjoy that!" I'm not going to complain about it, I don't get to make the rules. It's just really funny how that works.

way to misinterpret that. also:

http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2005/aug/holdsteady/holdsteady.jpg

full on idle
08-26-2007, 01:31 AM
I'm having an identity crisis. I cannot get into this album.

I feel like I'm listening to a radio station I would change.

It's like Maroon 5 transmognified into Okkervil River.

I can't help it. I feel like this. Everything is so forced and artificial sounding.

It's not good.

ewiggy
08-26-2007, 09:08 AM
maybe you'll change your mind if you see them play the songs live?

mountmccabe
08-26-2007, 12:51 PM
I'm having an identity crisis. I cannot get into this album.

I feel like I'm listening to a radio station I would change.

It's like Maroon 5 transmognified into Okkervil River.

I can't help it. I feel like this. Everything is so forced and artificial sounding.

It's not good.

Valarie have you heard the solo acoustic demos disc? You might like that better; it doesn't have the polish that seems to be turning you off.

sonofhal
08-26-2007, 12:57 PM
Valarie have you heard the solo acoustic demos disc? You might like that better; it doesn't have the polish that seems to be turning you off.

I think i prefer the demos too, to be honest. (although, i like both a lot)

Yablonowitz
08-26-2007, 01:07 PM
way to misinterpret that. also:

http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2005/aug/holdsteady/holdsteady.jpg

How is he NOT comparing downloading to shoplifting there? I misrepresented nothing. He's saying that while he's annoyed that people can "steal" music (ie feeling like a shopowner who has to watch people steal from him), he doesn't complain because it will turn off his indie fanbase. I'm sure the success of Black Sheep Boy had nothing to do with file sharing.

Anyway, I'm just poking fun at you Okkervil worshippers. Because it's fun and people do it to me with....ummm....The Hold Steady. None of whom look like Corky, by the way.

nothingman00
08-26-2007, 01:19 PM
I think i prefer the demos too, to be honest. (although, i like both a lot)

Yeah FOI, don't write off the demos quite yet. Also, here's the video version of Sheff playing (Shannon Wilsey on the) Starry Stairs... Some of Will's best lyrics ever. Google Shannon Wilsey if you want the background info...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbttOnjFYvE

EDIT: there's a glitch that makes some of the song get cut off...

full on idle
08-26-2007, 01:25 PM
My words from last night are a wee bit harsh, I mean, it's just, every time I think I'm in the zone to really be ready to appreciate it, I get a couple songs in and I'm just unable to get into it. I hate feeling this way.

I haven't heard the demo disc, because I haven't been able to bring myself to buy the cd yet.

nothingman00
08-26-2007, 01:29 PM
Yablo,
TSN is waaaaaaay > Challengers (though I understand the need to roll with your NP love)

full on idle
08-26-2007, 01:30 PM
N-man, that's simply not true.

nothingman00
08-26-2007, 03:40 PM
Maybe it's because I'm a Bejar/Case junkie more than Newman, but I feel this is their weakest effort to date... All the talk of the various members going through the motions may be a bit exaggerated, and I need to give it a few more listens, but right now, I don't have Challengers anywhere near TSN. Then again, what's the point in arguing about opinion? Personally, I like Case's "Fox Confessor...", Bejar's "Destroyer's Rubies" and Newman's "Slow Wonder" all better than this collaborative effort. It's OK, with points of brilliance, but in my *opinion* is not nearly as good as TSN. There's no point arguing my opinion, but I just laid it out anyway.

Yablonowitz
08-26-2007, 04:02 PM
Maybe it's because I'm a Bejar/Case junkie more than Newman, but I feel this is their weakest effort to date... All the talk of the various members going through the motions may be a bit exaggerated, and I need to give it a few more listens, but right now, I don't have Challengers anywhere near TSN. Then again, what's the point in arguing about opinion? Personally, I like Case's "Fox Confessor...", Bejar's "Destroyer's Rubies" and Newman's "Slow Wonder" all better than this collaborative effort. It's OK, with points of brilliance, but in my *opinion* is not nearly as good as TSN. There's no point arguing my opinion, but I just laid it out anyway.

CHALLENGERS> The Stage Names

bballarl
08-26-2007, 04:04 PM
Today is the day. I am going to listen to Okkervil River and attempt to get into them. Wish me luck.

ewiggy
08-26-2007, 04:08 PM
wait, what are you starting with?

bballarl
08-26-2007, 04:11 PM
Allmusic.com will guide me.

nothingman00
08-26-2007, 05:30 PM
CHALLENGERS> The Stage Names

Oh, "Challengers" is bigger and yellower than the tiny, diminutive "The Stage Names"?! Then I'm going to have to say my opinion is wrong. Good job Yablo. You have me totally convinced.

nothingman00
08-26-2007, 05:35 PM
Allmusic.com will guide me.

Just listen to the 2 mixes that were provided earlier in this thread. Or if you have the time... Start with Black Sheep Boy (Deluxe addition with the Appendix) and mix in "Unless its Kicks", "Plus Ones" or "A Girl in Port", and "John Allyn Smith Sails" from The Stage Names. Also one of the few bands where its well worth reading the lyrics as you listen...

Somewhat Damaged
08-26-2007, 09:09 PM
Just listen to the 2 mixes that were provided earlier in this thread. Or if you have the time... Start with Black Sheep Boy (Deluxe addition with the Appendix) and mix in "Unless its Kicks", "Plus Ones" or "A Girl in Port", and "John Allyn Smith Sails" from The Stage Names. Also one of the few bands where its well worth reading the lyrics as you listen...

I agree with this totally. When I did that with TSN, that's when the album really clicked for me. And I decided to go ahead and see them at both their Arizona shows this week.

ewiggy
08-28-2007, 12:27 PM
first:

92M9Ik8WrdA

also..

i fail at life, because i didn't get tickets for Okkervil at the Troubadour, and it's fucking sold out. please help me.

Yablonowitz
08-28-2007, 12:38 PM
Oh, "Challengers" is bigger and yellower than the tiny, diminutive "The Stage Names"?! Then I'm going to have to say my opinion is wrong. Good job Yablo. You have me totally convinced.

It's so sickening to watch you cave like that. Do you have ANY convictions? Fucking wussy.

kreutz2112
08-28-2007, 12:44 PM
also..

i fail at life, because i didn't get tickets for Okkervil at the Troubadour, and it's fucking sold out. please help me.

Sorry I cant help you Kristen, but your post prompted me to buy my ticket for the SLC show as opposed to buying it at the door as I had originally planned to do. I hope you can find a ticket.

nothingman00
08-28-2007, 12:47 PM
It's so sickening to watch you cave like that. Do you have ANY convictions? Fucking wussy.

Fine. Now you're fucked though.

The Stage Names> to the infinitiy Challengers

nothingman00
08-28-2007, 12:48 PM
P.S. Okkervil on Conan tonight...

nothingman00
08-29-2007, 10:41 AM
Fuck it, if Yablo can get away with mentioning The National in every thread, I'm fucking keeping this on the first page. Besides, that was an excellent version of "Our Life is Not a Movie or Maybe" on Conan last night.

disgustipated
08-29-2007, 10:44 AM
damnit, I knew I was supposed to watch something last night.

ewiggy
08-29-2007, 10:48 AM
conan got really excited there, at the end. he seemed to dig it.

Somewhat Damaged
08-29-2007, 10:51 AM
So who's going to the Brickhouse show this Friday? captncrzy & I will be there. Let's meet up & say hello.

ewiggy
08-29-2007, 11:00 AM
undecided.

mountmccabe
08-29-2007, 11:26 AM
So who's going to the Brickhouse show this Friday? captncrzy & I will be there. Let's meet up & say hello.

Check your private messages.

bballarl
08-29-2007, 12:32 PM
John, send me those demos you trick bitch.

mob roulette
08-30-2007, 04:36 AM
Conan's up. He does seem to really be giving them the big thumbs up here. Watch til the end. Sound seems a little weird to me, but I don't think it's them, I think it's the setup. Anyway:

fvsjbsUjwoA

mob roulette
08-30-2007, 04:49 AM
Also,

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r182/coxcombred/P8300008.jpg

http://www.hocofestival.com/

I will be back with a full report on this Sunday or Monday. Promise.

Yablonowitz
08-30-2007, 05:10 AM
Conan's up. He does seem to really be giving them the big thumbs up here. Watch til the end. Sound seems a little weird to me, but I don't think it's them, I think it's the setup. Anyway:

fvsjbsUjwoA

Corky.

mob roulette
08-30-2007, 05:52 AM
I'm not feeling Challengers yet, Greg. But I'm trying really, really hard.

Yablonowitz
08-30-2007, 05:56 AM
I'm not feeling Challengers yet, Greg. But I'm trying really, really hard.

Well, it's feeling you. All over.

TomAz
08-30-2007, 06:06 AM
So who's going to the Brickhouse show this Friday? captncrzy & I will be there. Let's meet up & say hello.

I'm planning on being there. Got my ticket and everthang.

captncrzy
08-30-2007, 06:57 AM
Tom-Rick and I are gonna meet mountmccabe at Taste of India for dinner...you coming?

TomAz
08-30-2007, 07:04 AM
No I told John I'm having dinner with my family at home then heading out after. see you there.