Thread for Gabe and Justin To Talk Shit About Pro Football

[fober]

The Saints.

[captncrzy]

Why the saints? You must back up your explanation. I've got TWO WHOLE DOLLARS invested in this pool.

[TomAz]

The Saints are off this week.

I'd go with the Chargers. Home game against KC is the best chance for them all season.

[captncrzy]

I picked the Cowboys because it seems sure-fire, but you think the Chargers have a shot?

[J~$$$]

The chargers are your best bet.

[TomAz]

cowboys can be useful later. this is the best week for the chargers.

[Mr. Dylanja]

Captn I'm with Tom on this, I took the Bolts in my pool.

[captncrzy]

ok, I'm gonna trust you.....

[bballarl]

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/over_optimistic_nfl_doctor_says

Over-Optimistic NFL Doctor Says Injured Bills Player Kevin Everett Will Fly Out Of Hospital

HOUSTON—Less than a month after Buffalo Bills tight end Kevin Everett suffered a life-threatening dislocation and fracture of his cervical spine that was predicted to leave him with permanent neurological damage, enthusiastic National Football League physicians attending him at Houston's Memorial Hermann hospital have announced that Everett will not only make a full recovery from injury, but will most likely gain the power of flight and soar out of the hospital under his own power.

"What we're seeing in Kevin's case is proof that the serious-injury recovery rate in pro football is nowhere near as serious as people have come to believe," Dr. Robert Homburg, a neurosurgeon assigned to Everett's case by the National Football League, said while pointing at the wings he had drawn on Everett's spinal X-rays. "Not only will Kevin be able to walk out of the hospital, he actually won't have to, as he will heal so completely that he will be better than he was before and will almost certainly be able to fly out unassisted."

"I don't think I'd be exaggerating Kevin's prognosis if I said we're looking at a 200% recovery here," Homburg added.

Just days ago, physician Teodoro Castillo, Everett's original physician, said the injury was "extremely severe" but that healing was progressing surprisingly well, pointing to Everett's ability to sit up without difficulty and even move his right arm slightly as evidence that he might someday walk without difficulty. Upon being told of Homburg's claims, Castillo said the recovery would be a "staged process of indeterminate length" and that flying was almost certainly out of the question.

"While it's true I have treated few players with Kevin's level of physical conditioning and mental resilience, I don't think it's fair for the NFL's doctor to tell him that he'll be able to fly," Castillo said Wednesday. "First of all, the trauma to his spinal cord was so extreme that we had to inject chilled saline into his body to induce healing. Second, no matter what Dr. Homburg says, people cannot just grow wings and fly, period, and to tell Kevin that is cruel. He probably won't even play football again."

Dr. Homburg said that, while he appreciated Castillo's cautious approach, he was only in partial agreement with his colleague.

"Sadly, I'm afraid it's true that Kevin will never play football again—the league cannot afford to give the Bills the sort of unfair competitive advantage a flying tight end would offer them," Homburg said. "It's a lot like how Steve Young and Troy Aikman had to retire when their concussions gave them telekinesis and the power to stop time. Still, for Castillo to just dismiss the idea of Kevin's more-than-complete recovery out of hand is cynical and unprofessional. Like many injury-related issues, while it may be based on sound medical practices, it goes against everything the NFL is about."

"Also, I should make it clear that I'm not saying Kevin will actually 'just grow wings and fly,'" he added. "It could be from magic, a rare form of spinal helicopter blades, or small jet boosters emerging from his feet. We have to keep an open mind about this."

Reactions to the news from around the league were mixed, with the NFL's front office sending Everett and Homburg their congratulations on his full recovery; players' union executive director Gene Upshaw saying that any further medical complications in Everett's case would be interpreted as the result of improper flight procedures and would result in the cancellation of his NFLPA benefits and pension, if any; and Everett's fellow Buffalo Bills players responding with a stunned silence born of disbelief and, presumably, joy.

For his part, Everett is determined to stay positive.

"I'm just taking things one day at a time," Everett said from his hospital bed, where he is preparing to begin physical therapy and doing his best to ignore the multiple news reports about his injury. "I heard that some league doctor had said some good things about me, and I guess that's nice. I'll walk out of this place, just you watch. But just between you and me, sometimes I think those NFL medical guys are a bunch of goddamn liars."

[summerkid]

Fire Ted Cotrell right fucking now and promote Ron Rivera. That's what needs to happen.

[Down Rodeo]

Hopefully San Diego will win so LT will stop his whining.

[Bud Luster]

Hopefully San Diego will win so LT will stop his whining.

It's those gay uniforms the bolts are wearing. He cant help it...

[fober]

Why the saints? You must back up your explanation. I've got TWO WHOLE DOLLARS invested in this pool.

It's their bye week.

You can't lose.

[captncrzy]

Fortunately, Yahoo Sports is smart enough to prevent an idiot (such as myself) from picking a team on their bye week.

[captncrzy]

Goddamn fucking Chargers.

[TomAz]

yeah, i would feel like a total asshole for recommending the chargers to you. i do feel a twinge of guilt. but we beat the fucking steelers. yes we did.

[Bud Luster]

Goddamn fucking Chargers.

I was only talking shit to get Charger fans goat, but LT REALLY is just a fucking crybaby w/ no backbone or balls whatsoever. His true colors are showing now that they are losing and he isnt playing well. What a complete puss. He should be ashamed, and San Diego fans should be ashamed of him. Everyone goes through shitty times, and your character is all you have at during those times. weak LT, fucking weak. How about this: Win or lose, you take it like a fucking man and dont cry and like a bitch. Just a thought...

[captncrzy]

Tom and J$$$ owe me $1 each for the shitty recommendation.

Goddammit...I shoulda bet on the Cards. Who knew?

[fober]

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/f2/fullj.getty-75557882mh028_philadelphia_.jpg

In case you missed the Sunday night game, multiply ^ that by 6.

Then multiply it again by 2 assuming Osi isn't the one destroying McNabb.

[Down Rodeo]

Wow, the Eagles really suck this year. Good, that way the Cowboys will have an easy time winning the NFC East, and someone besides the Eagles will have a chance to advance in the playoffs.

By the way, congrats to the Cards. I'm not really a fan, but it's impressive beating the Steelers either way.

[Ill_Eagle]

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/8808/lynchwi0.jpg

Stud.

[J~$$$]

Fuck the Chargers I lost $25 and have to do a buy in, again.

[Yablonowitz]

The AFC West belongs in the NFC this year.

[J~$$$]

So does my fantasy team. 33 points? The AFC West is a sad place this year.

[TomAz]

http://www.azcentral.com/php-bin/commphotos/view.php?id=83236

Stud.


http://www.azcentral.com/php-bin/commphotos/view.php?id=83281

Stud.

[Yablonowitz]

http://www.azcentral.com/php-bin/commphotos/view.php?id=83236

Stud.


http://www.azcentral.com/php-bin/commphotos/view.php?id=83281

Stud.

Would have been nice if I'd heard about Boldin's status before it was too late. Fuck you and your win, Cards.

[TomAz]

Would have been nice if I'd heard about Boldin's status before it was too late. Fuck you and your win, Cards.

he was listed as doubtful all week. didn't practice all week.

your raiders are tied for first place, you should be happy!

[Yablonowitz]

he was listed as doubtful all week. didn't practice all week.

your raiders are tied for first place, you should be happy!

Well, Yahoo didn't have a little red D next to his name until Sunday, fucking cocksuckers. Or maybe I didn't check until Sunday. Either way, someone's gotta pay. Can't be my fault.

Yeah, we've already won as many games as we did all last year. Famous last words.

Note to Miami fans: YOUR DEFENSIVE LINE IS A GROUP OF PATHETIC HALF WITS WHO COULDN'T BLOCK A PEE WEE FOOTBALL B SQUAD OFFENSIVE LINE.

300 yards rushing! With OUR o-line and Lamont Jordan out for most of the game? Christ, that's embarrassing, I'm sure glad I'm not Ronnie or Chrissy.

[J~$$$]

Tzt3pLBeGZk

[Mr. Dylanja]

LETS GO CARDINALS!
Adrian sure redeemed himself after getting that penalty last week.
How bout that D, Willie who?

I got my first strike w/ SD too Captn, so brutal.....

[Yablonowitz]

Is there any logical reason for why the AFC has been consistently a much better conference overall than the NFC for the past few years? I don't understand how the talent difference can be so great. (Minus the AFC west, that is).

[DeltaSigChi4]

The Bills are a fucking live dog [next] Monday. Wait for the points to go up because of the stupid public.

And tonight, Pats -8 or -7 if you find it at -7.5 and buy it down to 7.

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[TomAz]

Is there any logical reason for why the AFC has been consistently a much better conference overall than the NFC for the past few years? I don't understand how the talent difference can be so great. (Minus the AFC west, that is).

in the 90s* it was the other way around. not sure what the reason is.

*technically, 1982-1997. The AFC won 1 super bowl in 15years.

[Yablonowitz]

in the 90s* it was the other way around. not sure what the reason is.

*technically, 1982-1997. The AFC won 1 super bowl in 15years.

Oh god, and it was Cowboys, Giants, 49ers, and Redskins winning, too. Yuck. That was a dark time. Remember when the Bills and Cowboys played each other two years in a row? Christ, that sucked. Salary cap may make for sloppier football, but it least it's watchable now.

It's just weird because it's not like baseball where you actually have differences in the rules.

[DeltaSigChi4]

Fuck off. The Bills were a team built with drafted players, not bought players.

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[schoolofruckus]

Is there any logical reason for why the AFC has been consistently a much better conference overall than the NFC for the past few years? I don't understand how the talent difference can be so great. (Minus the AFC west, that is).

First of all - there's plenty of talent in the AFC west. It looks paltry so far, but the Broncos, Raiders, and Chargers each have horses. Kansas City's roster is a little Afghanistan, but they're well-coached and they do have a few guys who can hurt you.

Second of all - let's not forget that the NFC won 12 Super Bowls in a row before Denver beat Green Bay. These things go in cycles.

[Yablonowitz]

Fuck off. The Bills were a team built with drafted players, not bought players.

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Listen here, little delta, don't you mouth off to me. I'll put your ass in a timeout that includes electric shocks to your nipples and scrotal sack. Pipe down on your NFL opinionation. I would hate to micturate on your front doorstep.

[DeltaSigChi4]

:blah:

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[Yablonowitz]

First of all - there's plenty of talent in the AFC west. It looks paltry so far, but the Broncos, Raiders, and Chargers each have horses. Kansas City's roster is a little Afghanistan, but they're well-coached and they do have a few guys who can hurt you.

Second of all - let's not forget that the NFC won 12 Super Bowls in a row before Denver beat Green Bay. These things go in cycles.

The Dolphins have Brown Ronnie. I mean Ronnie Brown and they clearly suck. Just because the Chargers have LT isn't a reason to say they're any good.

And if you'd read Tomaz's response, you'll see he already addressed your fucking point about the NFC.

It doesn't answer my general quandary, Benedict Arnold, about why there would be notable differences in talent between the two conferences. There is no practical explanation, yet it definitely seems to be the case that there are differences outside the norm regularly. It's looking like this year should have Indy and New England going for the Super Bowl.

So, why don't you take that filthy, untrustworthy, stinky mouth of yours and stuff a sock in it so big and putrid that you develop botchalism.

STATED.

G

[Bud Luster]

The only shining light for my team this season. Would probably be the rookie of the year if the team was better, but will probably be Marshawn this year. The D is pretty good too (especially against the run) No solid QB or WR = many losses.

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Sports/b8591873-a1a9-4dc7-b2b0-9f722668f2ad_ms.jpeg

[Yablonowitz]

Sucks to be bug. (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/31577)

[Bud Luster]

Sucks to be bug. (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/31577)

Old. They were cursed long before this. Please see "God/yahewah/asshole" thread...

PS: it probably does suck to be Bug....

[menikmati]

LET'S GO BUCS!!!!!

I really you need you guys to win today, I have a lot on the line, and a win by you guys today will make my whole year!

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/maasx003/Vikings/images/Nasty.jpg

[DeltaSigChi4]

There is little chance that the worthless Bucs will beat the Colts.

Just saying.

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[menikmati]

Yeah I know, but the Bucs are 3-1 and their offense is looking decent (even without Cadillac). I still think they'll lose, but I think there is at least a small chance they could win. I have a little hope at least...

[DeltaSigChi4]

You invest your money on "little hope"?

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[mountmccabe]

If the Cardinals win this game the Rams are going to be pissed. There've been two big goal-line calls that've both gone Arizona's way.

I'm surprised that they gave Emmitt the touchdown but I wouldn't've called it a fumble so they'd get the ball at the four inch line anyway.

I'mn't surprised about the tacking on of an additional, untimed play at the end of the half.

[DeltaSigChi4]

lol. Emmitt Smith retired a while ago.

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[mountmccabe]

Sorry, I named the wrong washed up Cardinals running back.

[menikmati]

it's not money that is on the line...

[full on idle]

...dunh dunh dunh...

[TomAz]

If the Cardinals win this game the Rams are going to be pissed. There've been two big goal-line calls that've both gone Arizona's way.

I'm surprised that they gave Emmitt the touchdown but I wouldn't've called it a fumble so they'd get the ball at the four inch line anyway.

I'mn't surprised about the tacking on of an additional, untimed play at the end of the half.

after that phantom pass interference call on Hood, Rams fans will have little room to complain. Plus where was the 'blow to the head' call on Leinart's injury?

[DeltaSigChi4]

Goddamn Patriots squeek by with a seventeen point victory.

Everyone who had money invested on either side was on the edge of their seats for the second half. Especially the last minutes. Fucking Pats. Close. Close. Close.

BUT, they are now 5-0 ATS. Unbelievable. Pats > oddsmakers

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[fober]

I have never seen a more terrible Broncos performance.

[schoolofruckus]

Nor have I. I'm swearing off watching them for a little while because I can't fucking take it anymore.

[DeltaSigChi4]

Are you guys going to kill yourselves?

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[menikmati]

I hate Peyton Manning.

[Yablonowitz]

Nor have I. I'm swearing off watching them for a little while because I can't fucking take it anymore.

Try going 4-12, 4-12, 2-14 and talk to me about not being able to take it anymore. Suck it up soldier, you can fall a lot further than this still.

[menikmati]

you could be 0-5...

[fober]

Are you guys going to kill yourselves?

E

Considering I'm not a Broncos fan, no.

[DeltaSigChi4]

I want to kill some of these Packer players right now. :mad:

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[sydaud]

Goddamn Patriots squeek by with a seventeen point victory.

Everyone who had money invested on either side was on the edge of their seats for the second half. Especially the last minutes. Fucking Pats. Close. Close. Close.

BUT, they are now 5-0 ATS. Unbelievable. Pats > oddsmakers

E

I was one of the happy ones. Randall Gay's fumble return made (saved) my day because I drank the cool aid and took the Lions on another bet. Ugh.

[full on idle]

I love that band at Lions games.

[sydaud]

I love that band at Lions games.

You're obviously referring to the very cleverly named "Detroit Lions Band". Many Sundays the band is slightly more entertaining than the product on the field.

Damn, the team was just horrible today.

[full on idle]

But they have the prettiest uniforms in the NFL. Take refuge.

[sydaud]

The Honolulu Blue makes for a great jersey, but I still think the old school powder blue Charger jersey is the best football jersey ever.

[full on idle]

This conversation is over.

[Mr. Dylanja]

LETS GO CARDINALS!!!!

Division leaders baby!!!

BTW D-Backs bitches!

[sydaud]

Ha ha ha, come on now! I STILL wear my Charlie Batch jersey so that people can laugh at me. Lions fan til I die (or they kill me)...

[sydaud]

Favre's dumb interception just absolutely flipped this game in the Bears favor.

[full on idle]

I don't want to regret not playing Bears' defense against Tessalex. Because they're hard as hell. I thought I was making an intelligent choice.

[TomAz]

Nor have I. I'm swearing off watching them for a little while because I can't fucking take it anymore.


Try going 4-12, 4-12, 2-14 and talk to me about not being able to take it anymore. Suck it up soldier, you can fall a lot further than this still.

srsly. i feel like a homeless guy welcoming a newcomer under the bridge. keep your bedroll dry.

[CuervoPH]

Meanwhile, the Giants are unstoppable!!!

(as long as they play the Jets...)

[TomAz]

(or the Eagles...)

[fober]

Wow if the Giants go 6-2 into the bye week.

[Stefinitely Maybe]

Jon Kitna is the least athletic quarterback ever.

[sydaud]

Jon Kitna is the least athletic quarterback ever.

We've actually have had an even worse athlete than Kitna at quarterback here in Detroit over the last 12 years. His name was Scott Mitchell and I am not yet convinced that he didn't have a fake leg.

[DeltaSigChi4]

I don't blame the game on Favre or any of his INTs. That dogshit of a rookie WR and his two [2] fumbles near the redzone is what cost the game. I couldn't even watch the shit after that. They should have been up 21-0. People like that shouldn't be in the game.

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[fober]

hahahahha poor Buffalo.

I really hope Romo has some kind of awakening for next week.

[DeltaSigChi4]

Poor Buffalo? Let me tell you a lil' something about "poor Buffalo".

Every fucking starter we had was lost on the defensive side. Every fucking one of them. No one knows who we even play. Do you? I don't. They're all lost. Injuries, free agency, etc. All gone. We have the ONLY starting rookie quarterback. And he didn't even play for a fucking credible D-IA team! He played for a losing team. And they made us two digit underdogs AT HOME on monday night.

And we fucking brought it to the cowgirls. We fucked them in the ass, and we're not even gay.

It was a victory. Losing by one [1] point in a nationally televised game to an undefeated team who is being talked about as if they are going undefeated for the season is a victory.

Oh, and all Bills backers cashed tickets. $$$$

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[DeltaSigChi4]

Fuck you Dallas. Fuck you Jerry Jones: you can't pay a squad enough to beat the spread against us at home. Fuck you Phillips: you were a shitty head coach when you worked for us. Fuck you Romo: we have the better quarterback. Fuck you Owens: you can't catch for shit. Fuck you Cowgirl fans: your team is pathetic and will be put to rest by the cheating Patriots.

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[fober]

Yes, poor Buffalo.

Just like poor Arizona last year against the Bears. And I dislike the Cowboys as much as you do, no worries.

[DeltaSigChi4]

Yes, poor Buffalo ....

and Buffalo backers ....

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:rolleyes:

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[luckyface]

I have to ask Delta: Can you explain the reasoning behind which teams you support? I am seriously interested in the backstory.

[DeltaSigChi4]

I support teams the support my pockets. Make sense?

My personal favourites, outside of sports handicapping, are:

Buffalo Bills [NFL]
Buffalo Sabres [NHL]
New York Knickerbockers [NBA]
New York Pitbulls [IFL]
New York Yankees [MLB]
University of Hawai'i [NCAAF]
University of Hawai'i [NCAAWV]
University of Syracuse [NCAAB]

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[Down Rodeo]

Hahaha, Trent Edwards better than Tony Romo?!? Delta, you get funnier all the time.

[Mr. Dylanja]

Jon Kitna is the least athletic quarterback ever.

I'd like to see him and Kurt Warner in some sort of agility contest.

At least Kitna, doesn't wear fucking gloves! So embarrasing, but rest assured Cards fans, we just signed Tim Rattay! Oh god how brutal it is!

As a lifelong diehard myself I say this, "The CARDIAC CARDS NEED JAKE THE SNAKE!!!"

[DeltaSigChi4]

Hahaha, Trent Edwards better than Tony Romo?!? Delta, you get funnier all the time.

Here you go, fanboy ...


PLAYER C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT
T. Romo 29/50 309 6.2 2 5

Rating: 49.9

PLAYER C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT
T. Edwards 23/31 176 5.7 0 1

Rating: 74.1

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[TomAz]

your sample size is insufficient to draw statistically valid conclusions.

If you were an NFL GM, and I was also an NFL GM, I would be interested in talking to you about trade possiblities. I think we could do business.

[summerkid]

Trent Edwards is the real deal. He's going to be a star. Good thing for the Bills too because I was never a believer in Losman.

[Down Rodeo]

Here you go, fanboy ...


PLAYER C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT
T. Romo 29/50 309 6.2 2 5

Rating: 49.9

PLAYER C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT
T. Edwards 23/31 176 5.7 0 1

Rating: 74.1

E

Wow, Delta, you pick out one game, which happened to be the worst of Romo's career. He still managed to lead his team to a victory, which Edwards was apparently incapable of. How about we look at season statistics instead:

Romo: CMP ATT YDS TD INT RATING
101 171 1508 13 8 93.9

We'll see if Edwards can lead his team to an 11-4 record in his first 15 starts and make it to the Pro Bowl in his first season as a starter. Then we can talk.

[TomAz]

Wow, Delta, you pick out one game, which happened to be the worst of Romo's career. He still managed to lead his team to a victory, which Edwards was apparently incapable of. How about we look at season statistics instead:

Romo: CMP ATT YDS TD INT RATING
101 171 1508 13 8 93.9

We'll see if Edwards can lead his team to an 11-4 record in his first 15 starts and make it to the Pro Bowl in his first season as a starter. Then we can talk.

Delta is too stupid -- and too much of a pansy -- to understand your logic.

[sydaud]

During a point in the game on Monday, Tony Kornholer made a comment about Edwards that was in referrence to "A Star Is Born", i.e. that it was his breakout night. And that is about the dumbest shit I've heard all week.

176 yards and leading his team to a single field goal is a breakout night? Only if your name is Joey Harrington. If the Bills had not become the first team in NFL History to have 2 int's for TD's AND a KO return for a TD, this game would have not been close.

It made for great t.v., but I think the nation would like to see two 5-0 teams go at it....and if that makes the Pats easy money at -4.5 on the road, then so be it.

[TomAz]

there seems to have been an outbreak of bad sports announcing lately. this article was in the NY Times this week:

An Error-Plagued Game, but From the Broadcast Booth
By RICHARD SANDOMIR
Published: October 9, 2007

No announcer is perfect. A mistake now and then is expected. The best ones realize that they’ve made errors and often do their best to fix them quickly.

Then there is Chip Caray, TBS’s lead baseball announcer, who has been calling the Yankees-Indians division series and will work deeper into the postseason on the National League Championship Series. His play-by-play of the Yankees’ 8-4 win in Game 3 on Sunday night was packed with errors and silly strategy, enough to give me agita.

Caray’s skein of faux pas in Game 3, as well as during Game 2, befogged his announcing like the insects that swarmed Joba Chamberlain on Friday night.

He stated that Derek Jeter was playing in his 49th postseason game — “No. 1 of all time.” Truth: it was his 49th division series game, out of 122 postseason games.

He likened the “dynamic duo” of Chamberlain and Mariano Rivera to the Rivera-John Wetteland bullpen pairing in “those great early years of Joe Torre,” when they were dominating the World Series. Truth: Rivera and Wetteland were Yankee teammates for two seasons, and Torre managed them only in 1996.

He said the “Yankees led the world” in home runs this season with 201. He liked saying it so much he said it again. Truth: The Brewers led the majors with 231, followed by the Phillies with 213 and the Reds at 204. The Yankees and Marlins were tied at 201.

He extolled Alex Rodriguez’s “offensive heroics in the first two months of the season” for keeping the Yankees in the race. Truth: A-Rod had a sensational April, but he slumped in May to a .235 batting average with 5 home runs and 11 runs batted in.

He introduced Indians reliever Joe Borowski in Game 3 as having played for the Brewers and the Reds. Truth: He never played for Milwaukee, and while he once signed with the Reds, he never made it out of spring training. Caray also noted his hometown, Bayonne, N.J., but pronounced it as if it were part of the Louisiana bayou.

The error bug also hit the reporter Craig Sager, who reflected on the absence of Bob Sheppard, the Yankee Stadium public address announcer, and said that his first game in 1951 was between the Giants and the Yankees. Truth: The Red Sox were in town.

Caray does not distinguish a go-ahead run from a winning run. In Cleveland on Friday, he said the Indians had the winning run on second base in the bottom of the eighth, and he put the Yankees in the same position in the top of the ninth. Wrong. He also believes that a runner on second will automatically score on a single. Not always.

He also has an annoying air of certitude. With the bases loaded Sunday, and the Yankees leading, 5-3, thanks to Johnny Damon’s three-run homer, Caray said, “This is a spot where they have to score another run to win the game.” Does he also read palms?

That attitude led him on Sunday, after Rodriguez’s first hit of the series, to say, “And here come the Yankees!” A-Rod went back to the bench on Jorge Posada’s double play.

After Damon’s run-scoring single in the third, he said, “And here they come!”

No, they didn’t: Jeter promptly grounded into a double play.

I’m sure that Caray believed his own words when he said, about the Andy Pettitte-Fausto Carmona Game 2 matchup, that “you can’t get better postseason pitching than we’ve seen tonight.” But there had been better, like that perfect game at Yankee Stadium in 1956 when the 42-year-old Chip’s legendary grandfather, Harry, was only 42.

Had the frequently (and ridiculously) loud Caray stayed on mute throughout the series, the analysis of his partners, Tony Gwynn and, to a greater degree, Bob Brenly, would have been worth three or four hours of my time. But a stronger play-by-play voice, like TBS’s other division series announcers, Don Orsillo, Ted Robinson or Dick Stockton, would have made Brenly and Gwynn better. TBS knows how to fix what’s wrong. Yesterday it added SNY’s Ron Darling to its studio program, providing experience that neophytes like Frank Thomas and Cal Ripken lack.

Here are some questions to ponder through the rest of Caray’s work this postseason. Why isn’t he better prepared? If his producer, Jeff Gowen, is listening to what he is saying, why isn’t Caray improving? And why should I have to keep rushing to MLB.com to fact-check his facts?

[fober]

Still better than "TOUCHDOWN USC!"

[Down Rodeo]

Anyone else excited about the Cowboys-Patriots game today? I'm really nervous about my Cowboys, but the game should be outstanding. We'll see what happens...

[malcolmjamalawesome]

I had several classes in college with Tony Romo.

[malcolmjamalawesome]

Also, 'Boys/Pats = SUPER BOWL PREVIEW .... RESPEK KNUCKLES

[sydaud]

This line is currently in Ron Jaworski's wikipedia file under his "awards" section:

In 1991, Jaworski was inducted into the National Polish-American Hall of Fame after passing the GED on only his fourth attempt.

Me, laughing.

[DeltaSigChi4]

Poor Cowgirls.

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[schoolofruckus]

Yeah, man. If only they had Trent Edwards, maybe they would have been in that game.

[DeltaSigChi4]

Maybe if they didn't have the lowest strength of schedule in the entire league, they'd be prepared to play a legitimate team.

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[Down Rodeo]

It's not the Cowboys' fault they've played weak teams so far (aside from New England). That's why all their wins have been blowouts (except against Buffalo). Stop hating on the Cowboys, Delta. Go blow your money on gambling instead.

[DeltaSigChi4]

Yeah, it's not the Cowboys who purposefully paid for their easy schedule. And it wasn't the Cowboys who failed their backers the last two weeks by not covering the spread. Let's dumb it down for you Cowgirls:

They're not good. They've never been good. They never will be good.

Fuck you.

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[DeltaSigChi4]

Go blow your money on gambling instead.

Yep, the couple of grand I'm up this week is blown money.

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[schoolofruckus]

They play in one of the only competitive divisions in football. They'll have plenty of time to even out that strength of schedule crap. You may be right; Dallas may not be as good as advertised. But if you continue to claim that Trent Edwards is better than Tony Romo, you'll continue to be a moron regardless of how much or how little is in your pockets.

And you're a hypocrite for continuing to bag on the Patriots when you're no doubt sitting there teasing them every week.

[TomAz]

Yeah, it's not the Cowboys who purposefully paid for their easy schedule.

You really never do let the facts get in the way of your opinions, do you? what are you, a 13 year old boy?

[DeltaSigChi4]

Teasers are for squares. Parlays are for squares. Sharps do neither.

I play New England straight up, and they cover straight up. You can tease Dallas all you want, but you're just burning money when they win buy 1 when -11.5 favourites, or lose by three touchdowns when they are +6.5 underdogs. It's a beautiful thing that the books rake in money off you worthless imbeciles. Makes it possible for true cappers to make money. Thanks~!

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[Bud Luster]

Just in case you all haven't seen it enough on ESPN:

cRMrGoTGtK4

[TomAz]

he's awesome. but didn't he get hurt a lot at Oklahoma?

[Bud Luster]

Yeah, his freshman season he had a shoulder injury but rushed for 1900 + yds. He missed time in the next two seasons due to injury, but the biggie was a broken collar bone. Hopefully it wont be a problem. I think Dallas is about to take out some frustration on the Vikings this Sunday.

[ThomThom]

They're not good. They've never been good. They never will be good.

Won Super Bowl VI (Dolphins) 24-3
Won Super Bowl XII (Broncos) 27-10
Won Super Bowl XXVII (Bills) 52-17
Won Super Bowl XXVIII (Bills) 30-13
Won Super Bowl XXX (Steelers) 27-17


NEVER?

[TomAz]

They're not good. They've never been good. They never will be good.



I hate the Cowboys with a passion, but my god you're an ignorant asswipe.

[summerkid]

woo Chargers just got Chris Chambers. Bam there is the receiver to stretch the field that the Chargers needed. Try stacking the box now bitches.

[Bud Luster]

woo Chargers just got Chris Chambers. Bam there is the receiver to stretch the field that the Chargers needed. Try stacking the box now bitches.

Shouldnt be too much of a problem to "stack the box" w/ Chris Chambers at WR. He is decent I admit, but not really a game changer. Man coverage should still be just fine. He hasnt been a "stretch the field" reciever in the last 3 seasons or so. Plus you still have Rivers passing the ball, so there it is...

[DeltaSigChi4]

Bought championships are a doozy.

What is their record against winning teams this season again?

Let's REVIEW:

Week 1: NY Giants [4-2] @ HOME

Week 2: Miami Dolphins [0-6]

Week 3: Chicago Bears [2-4]

Week 4: Saint Louis Rams [0-6] @ HOME

Week 5: Buffalo Bills [1-4]

Week 6: New England Patriots [6-0] @ HOME



What a grueling schedule! :rolleyes: And fanboys thought that the cowgirls were going to beat the Patriots. Hahahahahahahhahhah! I've seen NCAAF teams with tougher schedules than this. In fact, I have a few NCAAF teams in mind which could make this pisspoor schedule more competitive. The faggoty cowgirls would be 1-5 right now if they played credible teams. FACT.

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[TomAz]

I've got gum on the bottom of my shoe that is smarter than you.

[summerkid]

I think a lot of that has to do with who has been throwing the ball to Chambers when it comes to his drop in production and there is absolutely nothing wrong with Rivers, top 5 quarterback in the AFC.

[Down Rodeo]

Won Super Bowl VI (Dolphins) 24-3
Won Super Bowl XII (Broncos) 27-10
Won Super Bowl XXVII (Bills) 52-17
Won Super Bowl XXVIII (Bills) 30-13
Won Super Bowl XXX (Steelers) 27-17


NEVER?

Thank you. I was going to put Delta's ignorant ass in his place, but you beat me to it. Like it or not, the Cowboys are the one of the premier teams in NFL history. No team has appeared in more Super Bowls (8), and they are tied for the most SB victories ever (5).

[Bud Luster]

I think a lot of that has to do with who has been throwing the ball to Chambers when it comes to his drop in production and there is absolutely nothing wrong with Rivers, top 5 quarterback in the AFC.

Top 5 huh? Looks like he's closer to 10.

Rank Player Team Pos Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate

1 Tom Brady NE QB 148 204 72.5 34.0 1,771 8.7 295.2 21 2 87 42.6 69T 23 4 6 128.9

2 Peyton Manning IND QB 115 165 69.7 33.0 1,319 8.0 263.8 10 2 68 41.2 64 19 3 3 108.6

3 David Garrard JAC QB 90 136 66.2 27.2 1,069 7.9 213.8 6 0 52 38.2 47T 13 2 15 104.7

4 Ben Roethlisberger PIT QB 81 131 61.8 26.2 1,013 7.7 202.6 9 3 49 37.4 43T 17 2 11 99.2

5 Matt Schaub HOU QB 130 188 69.1 31.3 1,558 8.3 259.7 5 5 67 35.6 77T 17 5 10 92.0

6 Derek Anderson CLE QB 101 184 54.9 30.7 1,496 8.1 249.3 14 8 71 38.6 78T 25 2 6 88.9

7 Carson Palmer CIN QB 127 203 62.6 40.6 1,491 7.3 298.2 12 8 78 38.4 42T 23 1 9 88.1

8 Damon Huard KC QB 122 184 66.3 30.7 1,293 7.0 215.5 6 6 65 35.3 51T 17 1 16 83.9

9 Philip Rivers SD QB 116 178 65.2 29.7 1,312 7.4 218.7 7 7 65 36.5 45 17 1 9 83.8

10 Chad Pennington NYJ QB 95 139 68.3 27.8 939 6.8 187.8 6 6 53 38.1 29 9 0 10 83.6

11 Daunte Culpepper OAK QB 37 63 58.7 21.0 423 6.7 141.0 3 2 23 36.5 31 5 0 8 81.6

[Down Rodeo]

Bought championships are a doozy.

What is their record against winning teams this season again?

Let's REVIEW:

Week 1: NY Giants [4-2] @ HOME

Week 2: Miami Dolphins [0-6]

Week 3: Chicago Bears [2-4]

Week 4: Saint Louis Rams [0-6] @ HOME

Week 5: Buffalo Bills [1-4]

Week 6: New England Patriots [6-0] @ HOME



What a grueling schedule! :rolleyes: And fanboys thought that the cowgirls were going to beat the Patriots. Hahahahahahahhahhah! I've seen NCAAF teams with tougher schedules than this. In fact, I have a few NCAAF teams in mind which could make this pisspoor schedule more competitive. The faggoty cowgirls would be 1-5 right now if they played credible teams. FACT.

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Hey dipshit, the schedules are prepared in advance based on the team's performance the previous season. If you'd pull your head out of your ass, you would realize that the Bears were in the Super Bowl last season, and the Rams and Dolphins probably should have been a lot better this year.

God, I can't believe you make any money gambling based on how fucking stupid you are.

[TomAz]

Rodeo, don't confuse Duhlta with facts. You'll find that you're just wasting your effort, and that your posts will be more efficient if you just get right down to insulting his ignorant backward pansy-ass.

[summerkid]

Top 5 huh? Looks like he's closer to 10.

Rank Player Team Pos Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate

1 Tom Brady NE QB 148 204 72.5 34.0 1,771 8.7 295.2 21 2 87 42.6 69T 23 4 6 128.9

2 Peyton Manning IND QB 115 165 69.7 33.0 1,319 8.0 263.8 10 2 68 41.2 64 19 3 3 108.6

3 David Garrard JAC QB 90 136 66.2 27.2 1,069 7.9 213.8 6 0 52 38.2 47T 13 2 15 104.7

4 Ben Roethlisberger PIT QB 81 131 61.8 26.2 1,013 7.7 202.6 9 3 49 37.4 43T 17 2 11 99.2

5 Matt Schaub HOU QB 130 188 69.1 31.3 1,558 8.3 259.7 5 5 67 35.6 77T 17 5 10 92.0

6 Derek Anderson CLE QB 101 184 54.9 30.7 1,496 8.1 249.3 14 8 71 38.6 78T 25 2 6 88.9

7 Carson Palmer CIN QB 127 203 62.6 40.6 1,491 7.3 298.2 12 8 78 38.4 42T 23 1 9 88.1

8 Damon Huard KC QB 122 184 66.3 30.7 1,293 7.0 215.5 6 6 65 35.3 51T 17 1 16 83.9

9 Philip Rivers SD QB 116 178 65.2 29.7 1,312 7.4 218.7 7 7 65 36.5 45 17 1 9 83.8

10 Chad Pennington NYJ QB 95 139 68.3 27.8 939 6.8 187.8 6 6 53 38.1 29 9 0 10 83.6

11 Daunte Culpepper OAK QB 37 63 58.7 21.0 423 6.7 141.0 3 2 23 36.5 31 5 0 8 81.6

you honestly think that those guys are better than Rivers barring Brady, Peyton, Big Ben, and Carson Palmer?

[Down Rodeo]

Rodeo, don't confuse Duhlta with facts. You'll find that you're just wasting your effort, and that your posts will be more efficient if you just get right down to insulting his ignorant backward pansy-ass.

Noted. I'll use my time more wisely from now on.

What a douche Delta is.

[Bud Luster]

you honestly think that those guys are better than Rivers barring Brady, Peyton, Big Ben, and Carson Palmer?

The #'s dont lie. Maybe after another 5 games there MIGHT be something to argue about, as of now thats how it stands.

[DeltaSigChi4]

Rams and Dolphins should have been better? According to whom>? Halfwit.

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[DeltaSigChi4]

Sun, Oct 14
New England @ Dallas
L 27-48

:laughyou

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[TomAz]

Noted. I'll use my time more wisely from now on.

What a douche Delta is.

Delta is not a douche. Douches have a useful purpose.

[summerkid]

The #'s dont lie. Maybe after another 5 games there MIGHT be something to argue about, as of now thats how it stands.

I wasn't aware that we were arguing who the best quarterbacks were in the past 6 games my bad.

[ThomThom]

Delta,

How can you say a team with 5 super bowl victories and 8 appearances has NEVER been good? And how the hell do you figure that they "bought" all of those titles, they were clearly one of the best teams in the NFL during all of those seasons.

[Bud Luster]

I wasn't aware that we were arguing who the best quarterbacks were in the past 6 games my bad.

Well what else is there for proof? Previous seasons are history. Should we start talking about John Elway and Dan Marino too? Its early in the season, we have yet to see exactly just what is what, I will give you that.

[DeltaSigChi4]

What does games decades ago, or longer, have to do with a discussion of the league today? :confused:

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[TomAz]

And how the hell do you figure that they "bought" all of those titles, they were clearly one of the best teams in the NFL during all of those seasons.

well you know, they signed Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, and Michael Irvin to big free-agent contracts. It's not like they built that team through the draft or anything.

oh wait.

[ThomThom]

Tom,

I think what your trying to say is GO BILLS!

[Down Rodeo]

Rams and Dolphins should have been better? According to whom>? Halfwit.

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How about a third of the commentators on ESPN predicting the Rams would make the playoffs this season? I don't know about the Dolphins, but people were sure excited about their defense and acquisition of Trent Green, not to mention the improvement of Ronnie Brown. I'm sure few people expected they would be 0-6 at this point. Dimwit.

[Bud Luster]

well you know, they signed Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, and Michael Irvin to big free-agent contracts. It's not like they built that team through the draft or anything.

oh wait.

Fucking Vikings! Thanks for that, assholes!

[Down Rodeo]

What does games decades ago, or longer, have to do with a discussion of the league today? :confused:

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You brought it up, moron. We had to correct your nonsensical ramblings.

[DeltaSigChi4]

I didn't bring up shit, fuckstick.

Exactly which third of ESPN's commentators predicated what?

The Rams ... going to the playoffs ... to the Super Bowl .... being champions.

Hahaha-fucking-ha.

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[TomAz]

I have a small shred of toilet paper stuck to my ass that is more intelligent than you are. Cleaner, too.

[DeltaSigChi4]

Original.

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[Down Rodeo]

Delta, look here (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/preview07/news/story?id=2984130) since you're too lazy to do it yourself.

And you do know that predicate is not the same as predict, right?

[DeltaSigChi4]

I have an Insider account. I pay for an Insider account, yet, I know better than to give any value to predictions from this so-called "experts". If you do, that's your problem. Have fun losing all your money. :burningbenjamins:

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[fober]

The only real truths to be discussed here are that the Dallas Cowboys and San Diego Chargers are middle of the pack in terms of SoS this year (based on last year's standings) and that both Romo and Rivers have started a small number of games. They have also both faced more sub .500 teams than not so far this season.

Now let the season play out before all the nonsensical banter. The 2003/4/5 draft class QBs are barely growing up.

[Down Rodeo]

I suppose with your Insider account, you knew that the Rams would be pitiful this year. Bullshit, Delta. My point was that when they scheduled these games last year, the Rams and other teams looked like tough teams for the Cowboys to play. It's not the Cowboys' fault that hasn't panned out, but they still proceeded to slaughter the Rams as well as most of the teams they've played.

By the way, I'm not losing any money. I choose to spend my money in wiser ways than professional gambling (i.e. sports betting).

[DeltaSigChi4]

Yes, and good cappers don't "SPEND" their money, they spend the books' money. I have yet to invest in the Rams all season. Or last season. Or in my fucking life. If I ever were to invest in the Rams, I would stop myself before I did so, and think of you ... and think of losing money after thinking of you ... and quit the business at least for the day. The Rams are dogshit. Always been dogshit. Always will be dogshit.

The Cowboys knew what they were doing when they constructed this shameful schedule. When you remove their only winning record opponents, they have gone against 3-20 combined record opponents. WOW.

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[DeltaSigChi4]

Crown the Dallas Cowgirls as Champions. Do it now. They're just SO good against 3-20 combined record opponents. Give them the Lombardi. Yesterday.

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[Bud Luster]

I suppose with your Insider account, you knew that the Rams would be pitiful this year. Bullshit, Delta. My point was that when they scheduled these games last year, the Rams and other teams looked like tough teams for the Cowboys to play. It's not the Cowboys' fault that hasn't panned out, but they still proceeded to slaughter the Rams as well as most of the teams they've played.

By the way, I'm not losing any money. I choose to spend my money in wiser ways than professional gambling (i.e. sports betting).

Actually, I've got no insider account and I knew the rams wouldn't be any good. Not as bad as they are without Bruce and Jackson, but pretty bad. And your syntax is flawed on the last part there. You say you choose to spend your money in wiser ways than pro gambling and list sports betting i.e. (In. Example. of the ways you spend your money more wisely)

[fober]

My point was that when they scheduled these games last year, the Rams and other teams looked like tough teams for the Cowboys to play.

Not according to the SoS.

[DeltaSigChi4]

Yes, when the Dallas/St. Louis game was scheduled, with a season record of 8-8, the Rams looked like a tough team for the Cowboys to play. :rolleyes:

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[DeltaSigChi4]

Dolphins 6-10. :rolleyes:

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[Down Rodeo]

It's like arguing with fucking children here. Utterly useless.

[thefunkylama]

Seriously?!

[mountmccabe]

The Cardinals actually drove and scored a touchdown to make it 21-19. Then Boldin took the snap and threw a pick for the 2-point conversion.

Then Rackers had a fantastic high arching on-side kick and the Cards recover!

There's 19 seconds left. Oh, wait, now they're reviewing.

[TomAz]

nothing more frustrating than a loss where you dominate the other team statistically. Turnovers, penalties, and a missed XP killed us. make the XP, or don't make one of the three turnovers, and the cardinals win the game. damn.

[malcolmjamalawesome]

The Rams are the worst thing to ever happen to the NFL and life.

[Yablonowitz]

I'm not looking forward to Tom Brady's bye week.

[luckyface]

I am having my best week of the season in fantasy. Of course, it has to come the one week where I am playing Tom Brady. That asshole dropped 52 points alone. I will be lucky to win.

[Yablonowitz]

I am having my best week of the season in fantasy. Of course, it has to come the one week where I am playing Tom Brady. That asshole dropped 52 points alone. I will be lucky to win.

You call him "asshole," I call him "the only way my team could ever win."

Your avatar is to be commended.

[DeltaSigChi4]

Fantasy football isn't real.

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[luckyface]

Wow, did anyone just hear Costas say "Travis Henry is off to a smoking start"? No mention of his marijuana test, so it was in reference to his performance on the field. Hilarity ensued.

[captncrzy]

I bet against the Cards this week so I'm kinda happy they lost.

[TomAz]

ummmmm jen. if you bet and took the points, you won the bet. they were 8 1/2 pt dogs and lost by 2.

if you bet straight up.. hmmmmmmm.

[DeltaSigChi4]

Most people don't have a fucking clue about spreads/odds/Vegas.

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[captncrzy]

ummmmm jen. if you bet and took the points, you won the bet. they were 8 1/2 pt dogs and lost by 2.

if you bet straight up.. hmmmmmmm.

Survivor football. I picked Washington.

[captncrzy]

Most people don't have a fucking clue about spreads/odds/Vegas.

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I'm one of those people. It's too complicated for my simple simple mind.

[TomAz]

yes, me too. Leave it to the intellectuals like delta.

[Bud Luster]

I cant beleive that was the best the Cowboys could do against the Vikings. The Vikings O just looked pitiful...

[DeltaSigChi4]

Ain't that the truth. Peterson still ran all over the Cowgirls like if they were a Division-IAA defence. Cowgirls can't beat the spread no matter how many 0-6 teams they play.

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[Bud Luster]

I think he rushed for only 65yds. But along with Taylor's yds it was 100+. But conisidering T. Jackson completed only 6 fucking passes,the cowboys should be ashamed. Hardly an elite team. Cant wait for TO to implode when they get beat by the giants and skins.

[Down Rodeo]

The Cowboys still dominated the game. If it weren't for some stupid mistakes like fumbling twice in the second quarter, this game wouldn't have been remotely close.

Yeah, Peterson really ran all over the Cowboys D. Rushing for only 63 yards on 13 carries is a great performance. Delta, your intellectual blinders are getting put to good use as usual.

[DeltaSigChi4]

Were you watching the same fucking game everyone else was? Or did you have special, I'm a mindless Cowgirl fanboi, Romo is the greatest QB in the league, TO is the greatest WR of all time, goggles?

MINN was leading by a substantial amount by halftime, and were on their way to winning the game outright, until their FG attempt got blocked and ran back for a touchdown. I don't see how anyone in their right fucking mind can think that the worthless Cowgirls dominated any game. Buffalo beat the living shit out of them from goalpost to goalpost for 3 and 3/4s quarters two weeks ago, New England drilled them 22 new assholes a week ago, and Minnesota were on their way to a romp until the FG block. If you're not too good at keeping track, that is three consecutive weeks without covering the spread. Imbecile.

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[TomAz]

I don't see how anyone in their right fucking mind can think that the worthless Cowgirls dominated any game.


Associated Press:


Despite dominating Minnesota for most of the game, Dallas did all it could to let the Vikings stay close, even in the lead.

Scouts Inc:


After dominating the first half but still trailing 14-7, the Cowboys knew it was going to take something special to win the game.

[DeltaSigChi4]

Yep, when a team is losing 14-7 in the third quarter of a four quarter game, it's because they are dominating. Cowboys were dominating the Bills, dominating the Patriots, and dominating the Vikings. The Associated Press wrote it, the ESPN hacks copied/pasted it from AP, so that must make it true. :rolleyes:

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[TomAz]

The only thing I dislike more than the Dallas Cowboys is your blowhard idiocy, delta.

[DeltaSigChi4]

I don't care Tommy. Learn to watch an American football contest on your own and reach your own conclusions, and maybe you won't look like such an ass.

The Cowboys were dominating the Vikings, all the while losing 14-7? LOL!!!! Idiot.

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[TomAz]

this from the guy who says Peterson "ran all over the Cowgirls" on his way to an NFL record 63 yards. sheesh.

[DeltaSigChi4]

Minnesota Rushing
CAR YDS AVG TD LG
A. Peterson 12 63 5.3 1 20

Seems like he could've rushed it every down and took them to the redzone everytime with an average like that. Douchebag.

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[Bud Luster]

while I agree that the Cowboys are the better team. It really doesn't make sense to say that they were dominating while being down by a TD.

[TomAz]

Minnesota Rushing
CAR YDS AVG TD LG
A. Peterson 12 63 5.3 1 20

Seems like he could've rushed it every down and took them to the redzone everytime with an average like that. Douchebag.

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Yes, it would seem that way to me too, if I didnt' know anything about football. Good thing you're smarter than the Minnesota coaches, the Vegas linemakers, and all of us here.

[Yablonowitz]

Ain't that the truth. Peterson still ran all over the Cowgirls like if they were a Division-IAA defence.
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I'll fuck you up delta if I hear one more remark like that about Division I-AA. I FUCK YOU! I FUCK YOU!

[DeltaSigChi4]

Go take care of your illegitimate children, Yablo.

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[Down Rodeo]

I would call leading 250-76 in total yards, 43-18 in plays and 16-5 in first downs dominating the first half. So would any decently intelligent sports fan. Just because the Cowboys trailed by 7 points (not a substantial amount) at halftime doesn't mean they weren't controlling that game.

Oh, and Delta, the Cowboys did cover the spread. They were 9 point favorites and won the game by 10 points. Seems like pretty simple math to me.

[DeltaSigChi4]

Excuse me, but I don't know what type of ****** fake gold chain wearing neighborhood 50$ max limit book you're using, but in LAS VEGAS NEVADA, the motherfucking MECCA OF SPORTSBETTING, I got a push @ +10. They failed to cover against Buffalo when -11.5, winning by a point; failed to cover against New England when +7, being beaten half to hell by what .... four scores ...; and failed to cover against Minnesota when -10. Don't try to EVER argue with me about spreads or odds, you halfwit buffoon.

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[Down Rodeo]

Minnesota were on their way to a romp until the FG block.

Hahaha, this part was hilarious. The game's tied 14-14, their QB can't complete a pass, but Minnesota's on their way to a romp. Thanks for making me laugh again.

[DeltaSigChi4]

Yet another post by a completely idiotic jackass who doesn't know the minimal thing about ten point underdogs leading late in the third quarter.

I hope you get consumed in a flash fire that erupts in Nor Cal.

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[Down Rodeo]

Then don't ever try to argue with me about anything remotely meaningful in life (basically everything outside of your fucking gambling addictions).

You know what, Delta, I'm glad you're losing money on the Cowboys. Because at the end of the day, the Cowboys are 6-1 and the best team in the NFC, and you're still a worthless piece of human filth.

[DeltaSigChi4]

When have I EVER lost money on the Cowboys?

I'm documented, you stupid son of a bitch.

I was on the Bills 1st Half. I was on the Bills for the entire game. I was on the OVER for the entire game. That is three cashed tickets, douchebag.

I was on NEW ENGLAND for the biggest wager of the NFL season. Cashed ticket.

I was on MINNESOTA for a large wager. Cashed ticket.

Are you stupid? Retarded? Mentally deficient? Are you a fucking mentally deficient stupid retard? When did I lose money on the Cowboys, Mr. Accountant?

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[Down Rodeo]

Then stop bitching about them not covering the spread. All you seem to care about is making some cheap money with no effort, rather than the actual games being played. So quit talking about the Cowboys like the whiny fucking bitch you are and just be happy you're so intelligent that you were on the OVER for the last three games. Man, I wish I could be like you. You're too cool.

By the way jackass, no wildfires up here. But hopefully you can still get the shit beaten out of you by an angry bookie one day.

[DeltaSigChi4]

I was on the TOTAL of one game [DAL @ BUF], not on all the games, dumbass.

And if you think it's throwing darts at a fucking picture, or flipping a coin, then you're a bigger idiot that I ever imagined. A lot of research goes into capping. And Dallas, and their worthless asses, have failed to cover for the past three weeks. It's significant, because, it means that even when they win against inferior teams, they don't beat them by the amount that they should. Here's the irony in all of this. They're worthless -- in every imaginable way.

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[captncrzy]

Another satisfied customer

[Down Rodeo]

You illuminated my point exactly. You and other idiot gamblers care more about covering spreads and other worthless bullshit than the actual games being played. I hope you didn't bet on the Steelers this week; or the Redskins; or the Eagles. Why aren't you bitching about them? None of them covered the spread. You choose the Cowboys only because they're a popular target and you share other people's widespread hatred/jealousy of them.

Basically, I don't want to hear any more about covered spreads and your shitty cashed tickets. No one's impressed with your ability to gamble. Good for you that you don't do anything productive in society. Now if you want to discuss the actual football games, that's fine. But then all your arguments will be nullified, because the Cowboys still managed to beat the Bills and the Vikings and are currently the best team in the NFC. A 6-1 record can't be debated.

[DeltaSigChi4]

Hahahaha. 6-1 record against sub .300 teams. Oh wow! WOW!!!

How impressive. Very very very impressive. Maybe they could have a 16-1 record if they played high school teams. Just maybe. Whippie!!!! How impressive! Yay Cowgirls!! Awesome team.

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[DeltaSigChi4]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/DeltaSigChi4/Scores/Cowgirlsgetsdemolished.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/DeltaSigChi4/Not%20Smilie/an_baby.gif

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[Down Rodeo]

Last I checked, the Giants were 5-2 with the 2nd best offense in the NFC. Who'd they lose to in week 1? Oh yeah, the Cowboys.

Who have the Patriots beaten besides the Cowboys? The Dolphins, Chargers, Jets...hmmmm, impressive schedule there.

[DeltaSigChi4]

It's not WHO they have beaten, but HOW:

W-L PF PA HOME ROAD DIV CONF
NWE 7-0 279 120 3-0 4-0 3-0 6-0

Idiot.

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[schoolofruckus]

It's hard to argue with the way the Patriots win games, but anyone who says they won't benefit from a division with two of the bottom 5 teams in the league and a third team that is better than its record but still doesn't win much (that would be the Bills) is a bald-faced liar.

[DeltaSigChi4]

Funny, because DAL's opponents have a far poorer winning percentage than NWE. Argument defeated.

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[schoolofruckus]

It's obvious that you're not much for knowing what the fuck you're talking about, but 17-28 (New England's opponents' record) is empirically not better than 19-28 (Dallas' opponents' record).

Go ahead. I dare you to talk about how well New England's opponents do against the spread. Maybe if you'd train your eyes to do something more than scan the horizon for someone or something to exploit, you'd be able to actually say something interesting or informative once in a while.

[DeltaSigChi4]

Suck both my balls. (http://www.coachella.com/forum/showpost.php?p=318722&postcount=616)

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[schoolofruckus]

I didn't say Dallas' schedule was good. I said New England's was worse.


Week 1: NY Jets [1-6]

Week 2: San Diego [3-3] @ HOME

Week 3: Buffalo Bills [2-4] @ HOME

Week 4: Cincinnati Bengals [2-4]

Week 5: Cleveland Browns [3-3] @ HOME

Week 6: Dallas Cowboys [6-1]

Week 7: Miami Dolphins [0-7]


I am still right. You still could devote a little less time to finding new ways to thrive as a parasite and a little more time to inquiring into the world around you.

[schoolofruckus]

And nice use of the word "faggoty". You're not a liberal; you're just a pissed off Republican. What are you - a 16-year-old rapper? Shut up.

[Down Rodeo]

That's supposed to be a proof? You just referred to your previously refuted argument. I'm not going to argue that New England is a better team than Dallas; I think that was made clear two weeks ago. But for you to diminish the Cowboys' record because of their schedule and laud the Patriots' record despite their schedule is beyond idiotic.

[DeltaSigChi4]

W-L PF PA HOME ROAD DIV CONF
NWE 7-0 279 120 3-0 4-0 3-0 6-0

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[DeltaSigChi4]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/DeltaSigChi4/Scores/Cowgirlsgetsdemolished.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/DeltaSigChi4/Not%20Smilie/an_baby.gif

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[Down Rodeo]

Good thing you have the maturity level of a 2-year-old.

Too bad your IQ doesn't match up.

[schoolofruckus]

The only reason Dallas is in this discussion is because Edwin can't stop talking about them. The Patriots are great and everyone knows it. Dallas is very good (but not as good as the Patriots) and the toast of the NFC, and everyone except for chip-on-their-shoulder former GI's knows it. No good team in the league has played an impressive schedule except for maybe Jacksonville. The league is too top-heavy right now to use any team's strength of schedule as an indicator of merit.

[schoolofruckus]

Actually, I take that back - the Colts have played a decent schedule. They've played 3 teams with 4 wins and a couple more with 2 wins. It's as much an indicator of how even the playing field is among the #5-#25 teams in the league when the Colts' schedule isn't an eclair (which it usually is).

[DeltaSigChi4]

NEW ENGLAND CHEATING PATS

Week Date Opponent Previous Year's Record

1 Sun, Sep 9 @ NY Jets 10-6 x - Clinched playoff
2 Sun, Sep 16 San Diego 14-2 * - Clinched Division, Homefield Advantage
3 Sun, Sep 23 Buffalo 7-9
4 Mon, Oct 1 @ Cincinnati 8-8
5 Sun, Oct 7 Cleveland 4-12
6 Sun, Oct 14 @ Dallas 9-7 x - Clinched playoff
7 Sun, Oct 21 @ Miami 6-10
8 Sun, Oct 28 Washington 5-11
9 Sun, Nov 4 @ Indianapolis 12-4 z - Clinched Division
10 BYE WEEK
11 Sun, Nov 18 @ Buffalo 7-9
12 Sun, Nov 25 Philadelphia 10-6 z - Clinched Division
13 Mon, Dec 3 @ Baltimore 13-3 z - Clinched Division
14 Sun, Dec 9 Pittsburgh 8-8
15 Sun, Dec 16 NY Jets 10-6 x - Clinched playoff
16 Sun, Dec 23 Miami 6-10
17 Sat, Dec 29 @ NY Giants 8-8 x - Clinched playoff

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[schoolofruckus]

Keep reaching, idiotstick. That's like Bush saying the Iraq invasion was okay because last year it looked like the cause was justified (which you bought into at one point, just in case anybody forgets).

[DeltaSigChi4]

I never bought into a damn thing Bush has ever said in his entire life, you idiot.

In case anybody forgets, no one knows shit about my service. So get out of fantasy land, dimwit.

The schedules are organised BEFORE the season begins, dipshit. Which means that the only measurement of a team is their previous record and offseason acquisitions. Look at those previous season's record that the cheating pats were scheduled to face. Just look at them. Now, how's that crow taste?

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[DeltaSigChi4]

EIGHT out of the sixteen weeks matchups were playoff teams. Out of the eight weeks that were not playoff teams, four of those weeks were dedicated to in conference opponents, which are mandatory. So, EIGHT out of twelve weeks matchups of possible contenders were playoff teams.

Sounds like an easy schedule to me. Who shouldn't go 16-0 with such a breeze of a schedule! :rolleyes:

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[Down Rodeo]

The schedules are organised BEFORE the season begins, dipshit. Which means that the only measurement of a team is their previous record and offseason acquisitions. Look at those previous season's record that the cheating pats were scheduled to face. Just look at them. Now, how's that crow taste?


That's the exact same argument I gave you when you were blasting the Cowboys' weak schedule, you piece of human garbage. Now you suddenly realize when the schedules are made only when it's convenient for your argument. You fit in well with the Republicans.

[Stefinitely Maybe]

Yesterday I put £10 on the Giants to beat the Dolphins this Sunday (cause I'll actually be attending the game, and I figured it'd make it a bit more exciting if I have some money riding on it) and I put £10 on the Patriots to have a perfect season, just because I felt like it.

[Stefinitely Maybe]

Also, I just went to check this (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/article377811.ece) out, during my lunchbreak. It was pretty impressive.

[TomAz]

In case anybody forgets, no one knows shit about my service.

You're the reason we're losing the war. but srsly. how the fuck did an IED not find you?


Yesterday I put £10 on the Giants to beat the Dolphins this Sunday (cause I'll actually be attending the game, and I figured it'd make it a bit more exciting if I have some money riding on it) and I put £10 on the Patriots to have a perfect season, just because I felt like it.

betting NFL games in sterling is weird.

[bug on your lip]

betting NFL games in sterling is weird.

hahahahahaha

[J~$$$]

NMNthVsDk7gAwesome.

[clarky123]

hahahahahaha

Very funny like sterling is worth nothing!! hahaah x2 (how ye doin?)

[Mr. Dylanja]

Delta-

What are your locks this weekend?

[ThomThom]

Anybody else think this is kind of fucked up?...IF it actually happens?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Cowher-Brady-could-be-target-of-cheap-shot?urn=nfl,51840

I understand Bellichik being a real classless asshole sometimes but trying to cheap shot Brady would be completely out of line.

[Down Rodeo]

A cheap shot would be pretty fucked up, but I don't see the Patriots running up the score this week.

[J~$$$]

Anybody else think this is kind of fucked up?...IF it actually happens?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Cowher-Brady-could-be-target-of-cheap-shot?urn=nfl,51840

I understand Bellichik being a real classless asshole sometimes but trying to cheap shot Brady would be completely out of line.

I think they should run up the score higher. Fuck that if you are going to get beat you might as well see how bad you suck.

Brady shouldn't get retaliation for being a bad ass.

[TomAz]

Anybody else think this is kind of fucked up?...IF it actually happens?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Cowher-Brady-could-be-target-of-cheap-shot?urn=nfl,51840

I understand Bellichik being a real classless asshole sometimes but trying to cheap shot Brady would be completely out of line.

lie with the dogs, you're gonna get fleas.

[fober]

Trust me, if he keeps playing in the 4th quarter with 28 point leads, one of these teams is going to take him out:

Eagles
Ravens
Steelers
Dolphins

[DeltaSigChi4]

It's the National Football Fucking League. Not pop warner football.

If these fucks don't want to get blown out, maybe they should be competent. Fuck em'.

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[DeltaSigChi4]

And they'll have to get to the cheating Brady to be able to "take him out". Maybe you guys haven't been watching, but the cheating Pats offence line is fairly decent at protecting opie.

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[summerkid]

I'm in agreement with Charles Barkley if you think that someone is disrespecting you on the field you fucking take them out and its completely justified. If you are going to leave Brady out there with a 40 point lead in the 4rth quarter and he gets hit late and gets hurt I don't want to hear Pats fans bitching.

[DeltaSigChi4]

HOW IS IT DISRESPECTFUL?

It's motherfucking American Football. If you can't keep the score close, don't fucking play. Forfeit the fucking season. How is it disrespectful? Their goal is to play to their abilities. They can't play @ 60% because their opponents are donkey shit. How is it disrespectful?

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[ThomThom]

It's difficult for me to have an actual answer for it...

I feel that Belichick is a fucking arrogant asshole for leaving his starteRs in with a huge lead in the fourth in order to beat the shit out of teams that have been dead for three quarters, but on the other hand the rest of the teams in the NFL need to quit bitching about how badly their asses get spanked by the best team in football. If anything, each team that gets destroyed should use the clobbering by the Pats as a learning tool for their next outing. I don't know I am stuck.

[summerkid]

HOW IS IT DISRESPECTFUL?

It's motherfucking American Football. If you can't keep the score close, don't fucking play. Forfeit the fucking season. How is it disrespectful? Their goal is to play to their abilities. They can't play @ 60% because their opponents are donkey shit. How is it disrespectful?

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Eh, I think what they are doing lacks class. "You play to win the game" in the 4th quarter all you have to do to win the game with a 40 point lead is run out the clock so its not even that they leave their starters out its they run like 3 or 4 Wide and throw the football. Its arrogant is what it is and there is no reason for it other than to flaunt their superiority over their opponent.

[DeltaSigChi4]

They aren't flaunting anything. They are just playing the game. Maybe the other teams should do the same and SHUT THE FUCK UP.

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[J~$$$]

Class? When was the NFL about class? Its all about domination. Participate in the special olympics if you want everybody gets a ribbon type mentality.

[summerkid]

Fine Tony Dungy and Bill Cowher are wrong and you guys are right. hmm two superbowl winning coaches or you two...

[J~$$$]

No. We are right, you are wrong.

[DeltaSigChi4]

Tony Dungy hasn't even played the Cheating Pats this season. Bill Cowher? Is he even a head coach? Who gives a fuck what he thinks. I don't. Fuck him.

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[summerkid]

Tony Dungy hasn't even played the Cheating Pats this season. Bill Cowher? Is he even a head coach? Who gives a fuck what he thinks. I don't. Fuck him.

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what does it matter if he's played them or not he's made his feelings known.

[J~$$$]

He is scared of what might happen this weekend.

[luckyface]

Delta is right in this case.

However, the Pats are asking for trouble in the sense that leaving their starters in for a blowout might knock a few of them out of more important games in the future. Not necessarily because of cheap hits mind you, but just normal injuries over the course of the game. For instance, having Moss cutting over the middle of the field for TD catches when the game is well out of reach might come back to haunt them when he is knocked out for the season.

[DeltaSigChi4]

I don't give a fuck what his feelings are. His bitch ass didn't take it easy on the Pats back in the AFC Championship last year. They are going to gangrape his team.

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[fober]

It's the National Football Fucking League. Not pop warner football.

If these fucks don't want to get blown out, maybe they should be competent. Fuck em'.

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HOW IS IT DISRESPECTFUL?

It's motherfucking American Football. If you can't keep the score close, don't fucking play. Forfeit the fucking season. How is it disrespectful? Their goal is to play to their abilities. They can't play @ 60% because their opponents are donkey shit. How is it disrespectful?

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They aren't flaunting anything. They are just playing the game. Maybe the other teams should do the same and SHUT THE FUCK UP.

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Tony Dungy hasn't even played the Cheating Pats this season. Bill Cowher? Is he even a head coach? Who gives a fuck what he thinks. I don't. Fuck him.

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I don't give a fuck what his feelings are. His bitch ass didn't take it easy on the Pats back in the AFC Championship last year. They are going to gangrape his team.

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For the record, shut up.

Cheap shots are also a part of football as you're describing it.

[DeltaSigChi4]

You're a very fucking stupid person. How many times has Brady even been sacked this season? Maybe if you shut your cunt mouths and watch some NFL you'd realize that your RIDICULOUS AND CHILDLIKE "someone is going to take Tom Brady out, you'll see; Charles Barkley, an NBA analyst, said so!" statements make you look like complete clowns.

Their job is to produce offence and shut down other offences. They are pretty good at what they do. They are not going to put in the practice squad from quarters two through four because the opponents that they are facing look like amateurs. They don't play down to their opponents; this isn't Pop Warner.

And fuck you fober. When have you ever been relevant?

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[fober]

Just so you know, the issue is that they are playing their starters with less than 15 minutes to go with a 45 point lead and calling/throwing pass plays. The only reason you do that is to score points. They attempted two 4th down conversions in the last few minutes of the Redskins game.

You can decide whether or not that is disrespectful to the game, but let me show you how respect manifests itself:

The Colts have the ball at the Ravens 4-yard line with less than 2 minutes to go in a game they are leading 20-10. Manning needs 1 more TD to tie Dan Marino's record at home in Indy.


But after kneeling twice in the final minute to run out the clock and passing up a chance at tying Marino's record, the Colts' franchise player drew an unexpected reaction from the crowd -- boos.

``I can't get over the crowd booing like that,'' said Manning, last season's league co-MVP. ``I hope those were Baltimore fans, because that's what you're supposed to do.''

And why exactly are you expecting Brady to get injured by a sack? A cheap shot doesn't happen within the confines of the game. We're talking about a helmet to the head after the play has been blowd dead. Are you suggesting that football players are incapable of doing that? To be honest, up to this point, I was thinking a professional sports team was incapable of deliberatly padding up stats week in and week out.

[DeltaSigChi4]

Within the confines of the ENTIRE HISTORY of sports betting/handicapping, there has never been a sports team who has demolished the spread/odds like the New England Cheating Pats have. I don't give a shit what type of morals you and other dumbfucks like you think are being compromised here. They can keep doing what they are doing until the end of days for all I care. Ride the Cheating Train!

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[luckyface]

What's the Colts-Pats line this week?

[DeltaSigChi4]

NWE -6, for now.

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[DeltaSigChi4]

Live Odds | Lines History | All Odds
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OPEN
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3
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55
beted
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56.5
bodog
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sportsbook
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56.5
Best home line Recent line moves

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Moved from -3 to -6 in the days since it opened. Hmmmmmmm ...

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[J~$$$]

Just so you know, the issue is that they are playing their starters with less than 15 minutes to go with a 45 point lead and calling/throwing pass plays. The only reason you do that is to score points. They attempted two 4th down conversions in the last few minutes of the Redskins game.

You can decide whether or not that is disrespectful to the game, but let me show you how respect manifests itself:

The Colts have the ball at the Ravens 4-yard line with less than 2 minutes to go in a game they are leading 20-10. Manning needs 1 more TD to tie Dan Marino's record at home in Indy.



And why exactly are you expecting Brady to get injured by a sack? A cheap shot doesn't happen within the confines of the game. We're talking about a helmet to the head after the play has been blowd dead. Are you suggesting that football players are incapable of doing that? To be honest, up to this point, I was thinking a professional sports team was incapable of deliberatly padding up stats week in and week out.


I disagree with this one hundered percent. Manning is a bitch. Great QB. Funny actor too. I would boo too. If your team is not good enough get the fuck out of the league. Whats more fucked up to the game of sport is a poor loser. If you cant take an ass whooping then why play? To think to even take out a player for being too good shows that you are a weak player and so is your team.

[luckyface]

Damn. I would have loved to get in at -3. I still would take -6 and feel pretty good about it. That over/under should get obliterated.

[dorkfish]

how much money are you putting on the game and who are you taking?

[J~$$$]

When I play tecmo bowl with my friends If Im winning by too much I put down the remote.

Wrong.hAAgfY_NHzw