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SatisfiedMind
01-23-2009, 01:09 PM
Headliners, do not a Coachella make. I, like most, was saddened by the news that Jack Johnson was headlining my beloved desert party. Over saddened. I realized a couple of things after the festival:


1) I needed to get a life.

and

2) They know what they are doing at Goldenvoice.Seriously. I spent so much energy whining about the lineup, and of the four Coachellas I have been to, I had the most fun, by FAR at last year's gig.

I see that the Hold Steady is confirmed...that is golden to me. This year will be the best time yet...

stay positive

danteb
01-23-2009, 01:16 PM
word is bond

tessalasset
01-23-2009, 01:24 PM
all you have to do is go back to the early posters and see what bands were at the bottom of each lineup. and see where those bands are now. I have utter faith in Goldenvoice. They are tastemakers.

boyalien0
01-23-2009, 01:26 PM
Seriously, every year is better than the last. Always.

SatisfiedMind
01-23-2009, 02:23 PM
all you have to do is go back to the early posters and see what bands were at the bottom of each lineup. and see where those bands are now. I have utter faith in Goldenvoice. They are tastemakers.

Amen

sin213
01-23-2009, 02:57 PM
and the jack johnson crap was actually a good thing...otherwise i would've had to choose between The Verve and Fatboy. That would have been HARD. JJ and Fatboy was VERY EASY. Fatboy all the way!!!

rulettA
01-24-2009, 01:15 PM
overestimate the heat

TheCutestBoyAlive
01-24-2009, 02:02 PM
yeah they are not gonna disappoint, they never do, and no reason to do it on the 10th year anniversary.

pocket
01-24-2009, 03:05 PM
Seriously, every year is better than the last. Always.

negative, i bet most people that have been to a few coachellas would not rate last years above some of the past ones...

davrone
01-24-2009, 03:30 PM
Don't eat the nachos. Also, pack more Gold Bond.

safarihat12
01-24-2009, 03:52 PM
poop at the grocery store in the morning. stay away from the port-o-potties on sunday. breakfast burritos are a great colon cleanser in the morning. dont lose your shoes and if you do make sure its on the last day. meet as many people as possible. bring as much water in as possible. its better to take a chance on a new band than to watch one you already know from 6 miles away. dont whiz on the electric fence.

MarkO
01-24-2009, 03:55 PM
keep drinking water. keep drinking water. keep drinking water.

shakermaker113
01-24-2009, 04:39 PM
dont whiz on the electric fence.

what electric fence? and please go into detail about what happens when you try this. I've never witnessed it.

Pixiessp
01-24-2009, 04:42 PM
Use only the air conditioned bathrooms by the lockers.

Memorial_07
01-24-2009, 06:21 PM
headliner's really aren't everything but when you see "HEADLINER" they should be able to carry the weight of the festival on their shoulders.

But last year was so much more fun than '07 for me

TheWatcher
01-24-2009, 06:26 PM
what electric fence? and please go into detail about what happens when you try this. I've never witnessed it.

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MarkO
01-24-2009, 09:27 PM
Use only the air conditioned bathrooms by the lockers.

I found the ones at the Augustine casino more to my liking.

ThomThom
01-24-2009, 09:32 PM
I'm never bringing a girlfriend to Coachella EVER again.

SkipLaCombe
01-24-2009, 10:15 PM
So, I'm really looking forward to my first Coachella...Getting my feet wet on the boards.

safarihat12
01-24-2009, 10:27 PM
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thank you for not making me have to go all the way to youtube to answer that question

safarihat12
01-24-2009, 10:28 PM
I'm never bringing a girlfriend to Coachella EVER again.

AAAAND thank you, last year was my first year and my brother who has gone the last few years told me his horror story of the nightmare couple camping next to him the year before and then i went through the same thing last year having to listen to some bitch ask her bf 100 times if he brushed his teeth yet first thing in the morning.

jdaws
01-25-2009, 12:35 AM
lol, ur bro shouldve walked over there with a loaded toothbrush and brushed away. then have said a very funny, memorable line. one that i cannot conure at this moment.

but seriously thatd be real fuckin annoying

TommyboyUNM
01-25-2009, 12:48 AM
So, I'm really looking forward to my first Coachella...Getting my feet wet on the boards.


You should post a new thread about a rumor that you heard from a friend of a friend of a niece of the postman who knows a guy who works for a sponsor. People will love that and you'll be a hero.

SkipLaCombe
01-25-2009, 12:52 AM
You should post a new thread about a rumor that you heard from a friend of a friend of a niece of the postman who knows a guy who works for a sponsor. People will love that and you'll be a hero.

Funny you say that. From what I hear, Jack Johnson will be headlining again.

misterpickles
01-28-2009, 12:47 AM
So, I'm really looking forward to my first Coachella...Getting my feet wet on the boards.

did the same thing last year.. get ready for the addiction

Psicosis
01-28-2009, 04:36 AM
I found the ones at the Augustine casino more to my liking.

The only redeeming thing about that casino.

andromedarkly
01-28-2009, 10:55 AM
Put sunscreen all over the tops of your feet if your wearing sandals...you'll end up getting dark skin tattoo's that'll never go away even in the winter...

And yeah, I'm addicted to C...

devon
01-28-2009, 11:15 AM
negative, i bet most people that have been to a few coachellas would not rate last years above some of the past ones...

last year was IMO the best i've been to, I'd rate it as first 08, second 06 and third 07

Dr. Lufs-al-ot
01-31-2009, 03:06 PM
So, I'm really looking forward to my first Coachella...Getting my feet wet on the boards.

congrats on popping your coachella-cherry! :)

sacleonard
01-31-2009, 08:47 PM
keep drinking water. keep drinking water. keep drinking water.

Great advice.

Amneeziac
02-01-2009, 04:20 AM
all you have to do is go back to the early posters and see what bands were at the bottom of each lineup. and see where those bands are now. I have utter faith in Goldenvoice. They are tastemakers.

True words.

D.M.B.4Coachella
02-01-2009, 09:24 AM
What I learned from last year . . . . write down directions to coachella YOURSELF, and DO NOT leave it to retarded friends. Leave at a decent time to arrive to camping, so you won't be setting up camp at 4 AM. Bring WAYYY more water than planned. Fall asleep on top of your sleeping bag and not inside it, its too damn hot in the morning. Spend more time in the Sahara tent than planned. Get a tan before you get to the festival, avoid a burn. Eat more shaved ice. Video tape the f*d up people so you'll remember a good moment for life. Don't worry about all the hypes for different bands, just visit as many as possible. Oh and so much more . . . These are just the basics.

Apeskies
02-01-2009, 09:47 AM
Keep these coming, guys! =D

JoshTheBoyd
02-01-2009, 08:31 PM
if you're camping don't crash at your friends hotel room on sunday night. checkout is 10 a.m. monday morning.

Stickjohn
02-01-2009, 09:43 PM
Thou shalt greet thy neighbor and offer your hand in peace.

I had a great time hanging out with some guys I just randomly parked next to in the parking lot. I was solo, another guy was solo, and three canucks that drove a scion Xb down from the Arctic Circle or something. We went our separate ways during the day, caught up with each other at the end of the day or when we would randomly meet inside. We shared our resources. The only thing we really planned was to meet up to watch Roger Waters together to end the festival. It was really nice and it all started with a "hello where you from" type of thing in the parking lot.

moomoo
02-01-2009, 09:49 PM
Try your fucking best to avoid sunscreen in your eyes. It's a painful bitch and if you can't keep your eyes open you can't watch shows.

gooftroop
02-01-2009, 10:07 PM
I'm never bringing a girlfriend to Coachella EVER again.

Bring your significant other only if you know you'll be comfortable with them every second of your Coachella experience. In fact anybody you go with should be this way. Don't let someone be an anchor on your experience, instead they should only enhance your enjoyment.

Love is in the air at Coachella...

bmack86
02-02-2009, 10:29 AM
The biggest thing I've noted is that it's best to roll with someone who will not be offended if you want to split up for awhile and also to make sure that this person has enough of a personally defined taste to know what they'll like and they won't. It's not fun to stand around with someone who doesn't want to watch a show, but it's a blast to go with people if they're enjoying the music with you.

Also, meet up with board people. They're very nice and obviously enjoy the music as much as you. It'll make your experience that much more fun, and then you have another reason to look forward to it every year, as your friends will be there.

Get your family to go. It becomes a great little vacation if they like music. I've taken my dad for the past three years, and he's coming again this year. Great concert partner.

amyzzz
02-02-2009, 12:56 PM
Reapply sunscreen, and don't wear skimpy clothes if you have very pale skin. I got a sunburn at coachella 04 wearing a tank dress even while wearing sunscreen, and I've never bared my shoulders/underarms since.

Alligator Bogaloo
03-09-2009, 09:52 PM
sitting outside the sahara tent, waiting for Fatboy to go on, and having to listen to the overflow of Crap Johnson from the Coachella stage, never again....never again....

kindablue
03-12-2009, 02:07 PM
I learned:

Your Cell phone will only work 30% of the time when making calls to your friends inside the venue.

You can't get mad at your friends for getting "stuck" in the Sahara.

If you want to go alone, that's fine. You will always meet nice people.

Don't depend on ANYONE. Coachella is about being free

Take your vitamins, eat vegetables, etc. Your body will thank you.

Love your neighbor and your neighbor will love you back.

But most importantly (see below)

amyzzz
03-12-2009, 02:24 PM
If you really need to contact someone about something time urgent, try calling instead of texting because texts sometimes arrive hours later, i.e. at 2am when they are sleeping (true story).

locachica73
03-12-2009, 02:30 PM
Pee before going to bed as often as possible because there is nothing worse then being hungover, feeling like ass already and having to step foot in a port-o-john.

RoyBrisby
03-12-2009, 04:25 PM
I learned:
Don't depend on ANYONE. Coachella is about being free


So my first year was '07 and I had setup to share a hotel with a friend. Little did I know that this friend had a crush on me, and we hooked up a month before Coachella. I then decided that I didn't want that kind of relationship, which meant I no longer had a place to stay. Not to mention another friend of mine was relying on me to get the housing.

I had to scramble to find camping passes (which were sold out on Ticketmaster). Luckily I managed to drive 4 hours to Pomona to get some tickets there.

DON'T DEPEND ON ANYONE! If you are staying at a hotel, make sure you reserve the space.

steve7268
03-13-2009, 10:38 AM
So.... basically i bought tickets while me and this girl were still together (3 year relationship).. coming from Madison, also bought the plane tickets.. broke it off last week... she still wants to go with.. i mean we are friends still.. so.... oh man what do i do?

PLURallovermyface
03-13-2009, 05:34 PM
So.... basically i bought tickets while me and this girl were still together (3 year relationship).. coming from Madison, also bought the plane tickets.. broke it off last week... she still wants to go with.. i mean we are friends still.. so.... oh man what do i do?

if you'll still get "friends with benefits sex" then go for it... otherwise, fuck her and bring someone else, or sell her ticket and meet somebody else...

kimmaylynn
03-15-2009, 05:15 PM
Try your fucking best to avoid sunscreen in your eyes. It's a painful bitch and if you can't keep your eyes open you can't watch shows.

Word! Seriously last year just before the raconteurs I blinded myself. A trip to the medic, walking around crying and 2 hours of burning eyes was my lowest part of last year.

sacleonard
03-17-2009, 08:17 PM
This may contradict another post, but we found text messages worked much, much better than calling. We got delays in 2006 and 2007, but didn't experience any delays last year.

amyzzz
03-18-2009, 02:30 PM
Yeah, we used texts a lot too, but I felt bad that my delayed text message woke my friend up at 2am.

normalone75
03-18-2009, 03:12 PM
Assholes still love to pound bouncy balls around unnecessarily while others try to enjoy the best Music Festival the U.S. has to offer. And no I cannot multi task, however if I am taking pics or videotaping this gets pretty annoying, so dont bring balls, just bring the one or two between your legs.

HEADSTRUCK
03-18-2009, 10:07 PM
Yeah, we used texts a lot too, but I felt bad that my delayed text message woke my friend up at 2am.

boo fucking who, anybody sleeping at 2am during coachella should be punched in the neck

influence
03-18-2009, 10:49 PM
Stay away from the huge crowd at the main stage at night and just watch the TV on the grass.

influence
03-18-2009, 10:52 PM
Oh yeah, the grass is your friend, it keeps you cool.

BROKENDOLL
03-18-2009, 10:54 PM
Assholes still love to pound bouncy balls around unnecessarily while others try to enjoy the best Music Festival the U.S. has to offer. And no I cannot multi task, however if I am taking pics or videotaping this gets pretty annoying, so dont bring balls, just bring the one or two between your legs. I hope you weren't referring to these balls... http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w18/1BROKENDOLL/P1011161-1-1-2.jpg If so, I "canexplain" the necessity of those being a part of last year's festival once you get your camera out of my way...

lscribbly
03-24-2009, 02:52 PM
What I learned from last year . . . . write down directions to coachella YOURSELF, and DO NOT leave it to retarded friends. Leave at a decent time to arrive to camping, so you won't be setting up camp at 4 AM. Bring WAYYY more water than planned. Fall asleep on top of your sleeping bag and not inside it, its too damn hot in the morning. Spend more time in the Sahara tent than planned. Get a tan before you get to the festival, avoid a burn. Eat more shaved ice. Video tape the f*d up people so you'll remember a good moment for life. Don't worry about all the hypes for different bands, just visit as many as possible. Oh and so much more . . . These are just the basics.

I totally agree.

I'll add to it...

Hand sanitizer.
Designate a group meeting place for the weekend and have that be your default (cell phones die, don't get service, or people are having too much fun to check them).
Emergen-C with water.
Don't try to see EVERY band you want to see, because you won't get to see a good show if you only stay for ten minutes - make time for the bands you really want to see, go early, find a good place and stay for the whole set.
That said, bounce around and see something new too, because some will happily surprise you.
Get in early and stay late.
Be patient and friendly with other people and you'll be surprised at how friendly they'll be back.
If you smoke, the American Spirit tents give out free packs.
Make time for the art after the sun sets.




Ok, that's all for now...

Xenocide
03-24-2009, 03:22 PM
i disagree... if you're watching a band and you're not feeling it, cause there are at least four other acts going that will probably blow your mind, that you never would've considered seeing otherwise...

ironically, the few bands i saw full sets of weren't the acts i was most looking forward to going into Coachella...

phonographer
03-24-2009, 03:42 PM
Awesome thread I've learned a lot. Here's what I've learned from my personal experience. Drink before you go in. Party afterwards. Enjoy leaving the parking lot. Talk to everyone. 10 for 1 recycle and exchange for a cold one. Listen to music suggestions from friends. Wear shorts and walking shoes. Don't put cig butts in the cooler...Can't think of others right now, but if I can suggest anything else, I will.

CrimesceneCookie
03-24-2009, 04:32 PM
drinking before you go in is for amateurs.
but it is hilarious to see the amateurs passed out in their own vomit at 4pm in the sahara.

grind
03-24-2009, 04:48 PM
Amazing thread! This will be my first coachella, I'm sooo excited and am glad to find all these helpful things to make sure I have an amazing experience :D

If I may add one thing for general concert going

-If you start feeling weak or tired etc. eat and drink. It's way more fun to have the energy to dance than to sit there too tired to do anything :)

aguila26
03-24-2009, 05:12 PM
These threads are the most helpful for us first-timers.. i'm worried about getting the timing right though, so i guess i'll follow the advice of enjoying the full set of my favorites.
Also the sleeping thing but i'll balance it with resting (different thing) so i'm not too tired by sunday. Great tips about the not drinking till night.

hobomilitia
03-24-2009, 05:31 PM
-Don't put your bottle of sunscreen in your back pocket, forget about it, and then sit down.
-Try the pulled pork sandwich.
-Grab some extra set time booklets on friday. they ran out of them last year.

didimydoe3
04-02-2009, 10:51 PM
you guys are truly setting some good goals for me on my first coachella. I want to be prepared, feeling well(by staying away from Burgeritos), cleanly, hydrated and without having music conflicts...

thanks!

dantoro
04-02-2009, 11:05 PM
1. Do not attempt to walk 5 miles in new flip flops (sand and moisture = friction) i was bleeding on top of both feet and didn't notice till it was too late.

2. take more pics and video

3. don't spend all your time looking for your friends you can enjoy a few performances solo - OR meet some new friends!!

4. flag down that oh-so-cool and important golf cart driver. I rode with this one insane speed-racer who powerslid like Danica Patric. in a safe and friendly way of course

5. don't invite that chick and all her friends to the RV to cool off. they always come back.

oh yeah and if you're not into the music in any given spot...run away!!! you're missing a better performance for sure! listen to your gut.

SEEDYMIG420
04-03-2009, 03:48 AM
This will be my 9th Coachella, and what I've learned is the following;

Drink water!!!!!!!
Be friendly and polite.
If you smoke the "KIND", make sure to share. Do not, I repeat, do not take any money in exchange for a "TOKE". You might wind up missing the whole event. You'll be in jail, instead.
Wear suncreen.
Wear a hat. comfy shoes are a must along with insoles.
Bring papers, i.e.....RIZLAS, Zags or anything similar. During Prince's performance, their were a group of people who were looking for papers. No one around them had any, luckily, I allways carry RIZLAS. I walked through the crowd, and gave them some papers. Not only did they say "Thank you", they also rolled a joint for me to enjoy durring Prince's performance. I started to smoke, and then tride to pass it back to them, but they said to just take it to the head. That was realy cool of them. I proceeded to smoke them out with some of my own.
DRINK WATER!!!
Save the alcohol for the evening, like sunset. Have fun and be safe.
P.S. Even if it's realy tempting; don't do shrooms, or at least try to do shrooms in moderation. Take too many at once and you'll get stomach pains and you'll get the "shits"
P.P.S. As for food, stick with familiar foods. Coachella is not the place to experiment with exotic foods. The porta-potties are god awfull after the sun sets.

Tylerdurden31
04-03-2009, 04:20 AM
probably a little too late for this, but...if you're staying off site, do not stay anymore than 30 minutes away. in 2006 after Daft Punk, I had to drive about an hour. I was so exhausted from jumping up and down for an hour and a half that I almost passed out 2 or 3 times while driving and everyone else in the car was asleep. I very well could've killed my friends by flying off the road into a ditch or some shit.

Sigur Ros Stache
04-03-2009, 04:56 AM
I say this every year.
When in front of the mainstage after sunset BE AWARE! Its dark and if you are sitting on the ground and not in a well lit area expect to be tripped over. When you turn from the stage your pupils are used to being fixed on stage lighting and when you turn from the stage there is lighting pointing towards the stage and you are facing it (in some cases leaving you pretty blind.) Noone means to step on you or fall on you in some cases so don't get pissy cuz they couldn't see you. Also, just cuz you have your blanket nicely spread out it does not mean others won't step on it, especially if you are only taking up a small spot in the middle of it..the place gets crowded so taking up "real estate" isn't the wisest of moves.

DeanCorso
04-03-2009, 12:18 PM
* that each year it gets better and better and that those first steps inside the polo fields it almost feels like you're learning to walk again
* the view is phenomenal
* get your id bracelet immediately when you walk into the field (or in the camping grounds)
* sunscreen and hats (i don'tcare if fedora's areovertakings us)
* comfy clothes

jennygirl
04-03-2009, 01:38 PM
I learned that Coachella is certainly worth every penny.... and FEMALES... leave the bra at home, and wear bikini tops. I'm dead serious here. Oh and portable wet ones packages are so nice.

locachica73
04-03-2009, 01:40 PM
If you block people from pushing and shoving their way way in front of shorter girls that are in front of you they might spark up a joint and share with you.

unknowndrummer66
04-03-2009, 03:04 PM
If you block people from pushing and shoving their way way in front of shorter girls that are in front of you they might spark up a joint and share with you.

thats actually very true

i did that for daft punk and these 3 girls and guy shared their shit and kept saying thanks for being so big

sinaurora
04-03-2009, 05:38 PM
I'm so excited... this is going to be my first time... sigh.. would you say for the actual event the same rules apply as they did for Ozzfest (being though that people are more violent and insane at Ozzfest)? I mean the camping aspect adds a new twist to the rules.. but shouldn't I just stay in those rules?
I know how to camp by the way.. and party so there is no problems there :P
Is there any good eats? Good beer? What approx are the prices like inside?
Is there vendor booths?

Jef-free
04-03-2009, 08:50 PM
thanks for being so big

that's what she said

JustSteve
04-03-2009, 08:59 PM
dust mask or bandana to protect from dust, especially for those with compromised immune systems.

i also always bring some saline nasal spray, does wonders for keeping things clean and clear, helping to avoid the coachella flu that occurs to many after the weekend.

SEEDYMIG420
04-03-2009, 09:39 PM
dust mask or bandana to protect from dust, especially for those with compromised immune systems.

i also always bring some saline nasal spray, does wonders for keeping things clean and clear, helping to avoid the coachella flu that occurs to many after the weekend.

very, very true. I always seem to get a realy bad runny nose at the end of each day. The dust mask is also a great idea for when your in the porta-poty.
HALLS is my best friend, and should also be everyone's friend. HALLS helps clear your nassal congestion.

**NaNcY**
04-03-2009, 10:15 PM
besides drinking A LOT of water and wearing sunscreen...dont forget to protect ur lips with chapstick!
i recommend u bring two, just in case u lose one.
i already bought my coachella chapstick =D
i got 2 stawberry flavored carmex!!!!

Pixiessp
04-03-2009, 10:26 PM
besides drinking A LOT of water and wearing sunscreen...dont forget to protect ur lips with chapstick!
i recommend u bring two, just in case u lose one.
i already bought my coachella chapstick =D
i got 2 stawberry flavored carmex!!!!

NaNcY!!!!!! you're here!!

**NaNcY**
04-03-2009, 10:34 PM
NaNcY!!!!!! you're here!!

HAHA...yes i am!

coachy_Jedi
04-04-2009, 02:07 PM
Use only the air conditioned bathrooms by the lockers.


My gf thanks you for this.

boarderwoozel3
04-04-2009, 02:24 PM
besides drinking A LOT of water and wearing sunscreen...dont forget to protect ur lips with chapstick!
i recommend u bring two, just in case u lose one.
i already bought my coachella chapstick =D
i got 2 stawberry flavored carmex!!!!

For real, my lips got blasted last year. Not fun.

coachy_Jedi
04-04-2009, 02:30 PM
I'm never bringing a girlfriend to Coachella EVER again.

........shooot! Too late. How much is a taxi ride back to Pomona?

lowfront
04-04-2009, 04:25 PM
I'm never bringing a girlfriend to Coachella EVER again.


I'd love to hear the horror story

Adelita
04-10-2009, 05:36 PM
Use only the air conditioned bathrooms by the lockers.

shhhh!!!!!

Pixiessp
04-10-2009, 10:19 PM
oops. pretend i didn't say anything. ;)

Pancho confucious
04-11-2009, 02:42 AM
girlz! beats! and that robot ball!

sbessiso
04-11-2009, 02:45 AM
Amen to the chapstick. I had with me but I never put any on and by Sunday my lips were a fucking mess. I looked terrible and felt worse.

Also, this may seem obvious but I need to get some sleep. It's really easy to party and hang out all night until the sun comes up but you really feel it once you go back inside. Last year there werent a lot of bands I wanted to see, this year it's the exact opposite.

SLEEP

HGcoachella
04-13-2009, 03:41 PM
letsss see
ok i learned tha you should just enjoy all the bands!
if you obsess about missing a band ie conflicts...
then you miss out. coachella isn't just about the music
it's the atmosphere too. Oh and bring as much water as possible
it gets friggen hott

discoinfiltrator
04-13-2009, 05:07 PM
[QUOTE=DeanCorso;1128928]* that each year it gets better and better and that those first steps inside the polo fields it almost feels like you're learning to walk again
* get your id bracelet immediately when you walk into the field (or in the camping grounds)

... and don't take off the id bracelet until the weekend is over. it'll look pretty nasty by sunday but avoiding the id check for the rest of the weekend is well worth a little grime on the wrist.