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chairmenmeow47
05-13-2009, 08:06 AM
why would anyone *facepalm* a lost event?! if i didn't have my dad's graduation, i'd have my own party and post it everywhere!!!

tonight is going to be the longest night ever :(

Leeartlee
05-13-2009, 08:14 AM
Ditto.

But the season finale of Lost is always bitter sweet. Here's hoping it's a good one.

Young blood
05-13-2009, 08:45 AM
I need to get me a dark blue Dharma jumpsuit.

chairmenmeow47
05-13-2009, 08:47 AM
i really want a khaki one, so that i can also use it as a ghostbusters uniform :p

Young blood
05-13-2009, 08:55 AM
Nerdin out in jumpsuits.


"Follow the Leader" Recap and Analysis, by Erika
Posted by DarkUFO at 5/12/2009 08:10:00 AM (Comments: 45) Comment Pop-up
Labels: Erika Olson, Follow The Leader, Recaps

Here is the Episode 5.15 - Follow The Leader recap from Erika Olson (aka "e") from LongLiveLocke.com.

[My condo looked something like this.] What's nice about flashback-free, heavy-on-the-action episodes like “Follow the Leader” is that they’re a blast to watch, yet easy to dissect. Which is especially good news for me, since – as those of you connected to me on Facebook and/or Twitter know – the lower level of my condo flooded with nasty sewer water two hours before the show came on last Wednesday, and I've been dealing with the cleanup ever since. I'm pretty sure Smokey had something to do with it.

Rather than focusing on any one character, the penultimate episode of Season Five spent all of its time on the Island, switching back and forth between the events of 1977 and those of the present day (by Lost’s calendar). I’m going to cover the scenes set in the past first, then the Locke-driven segments, and then end by slightly amending the Finale Theories I included in my last post.
SOMETIMES TWO PEOPLE JUST DON’T GET ALONG
AND IT’S TIME TO HIT THE ROAD

[Gotcha.] The hour began just liked “The Variable” ended, with Faraday getting shot in the back by his dear old mum. This time, we saw it from Jack and Kate’s perspective out in the jungle. After Kate convinced her ex that charging the Hostiles’ camp in a blind rage was not a good idea, they tried to make a run for it. Unfortunately, Jack soon experienced the Charles Widmore version of a “drive-by,” and was knocked to the ground when his skull became closely acquainted with the butt of a rifle.

After bringing the spoils of his hunt back to camp, Widmore’s dreams of toying with his prisoners were dashed when Eloise informed him that Jack and Kate were not from the Dharma Initiative, despite their snazzy jumpsuits. She ordered her lackeys to take the captives to her tent. And while Jack and Kate waited for Eloise to arrive, things got reeaaaallly interesting.

[Next time around I'm staying in Thailand with Bai Ling!] Why? Because Kate asked The Mad Doctor what he hoped to accomplish by following Faraday’s plan, and his response was something along the lines of, “Erase the last three years – which, by the way, includes meeting you.” He argued that “enough" of that time was out-and-out misery. Kate – rightfully offended -- was like, “You can live your life over and over and over until the end of time, but you will never have anyone as good as me ever again – bastard!”

But honestly, though, I don’t think that Kate’s incredulity stemmed only from thinking about the brief time she was romantically involved with Jack off of the Island. Let’s not forget that for the better part of those three years, she was Aaron’s mom, and she’s now smart enough to realize that that experience was perhaps the most positive thing in her life – one that she didn’t want any part in annihilating. Then, of course, there was also the flash of fear in her eyes when Jack mentioned the possibility of Flight 815 landing in LA as it was "supposed" to in September 2004. Being hauled off to jail by the smug marshal isn’t exactly a scenario that Kate would want to transpire.

[Oh yeah? Well I can't wait to erase the memory of your nasty beard and your vodka-breath!] And so, the two were at an impasse.

Now, you all know that I don’t give a flying Hot Pocket about the love quadrangle, but I have to say that things are not looking good for anyone out there who’s still hoping for “Jate” to prevail. From Kate’s point of view, why would she ever want to be with a man who just said that he’d like to erase all memory of her? To erase from existence every experience they had together? If any Jaters would like to flame me, all I ask is that you at least include an answer to that question along with your rant.


AND I'VE MADE UP MY MIND
I AIN'T WASTIN' NO MORE TIME

[My son was quite the nerd, yes?] Jack and Kate’s little scuffle came to an end when Eloise arrived and Jack had to try to tell her what was going on. “Your son… he took off his tie. A tie that had special protective powers. Removing it was an accident -- an accident I think we can undo.”

Because Hawking remembered capturing Dan – with his tie on – in 1954, she was sold. Her own handwriting in Dan’s journal didn’t hurt, either.

Now it was just a matter of informing Charles of her plans to head out into the jungle with Richard and the two strangers who had just been caught spying on the Hostiles’ camp. Charles not-so-subtly placed a protective hand on Eloise’s stomach, and whispered something about her “condition” as he urged her in hushed tones to reconsider. The general consensus is that Hawking is pregnant with Daniel in 1977 [Is a wee Faraday in there?] (unlike what I guessed in my last post -- that he was most likely already born). That would mean that Faraday was eighteen or nineteen years old when he was a professor in 1996… which is I suppose is plausible since we learned in “The Variable” that he was the youngest doctorate to graduate from Oxford. I never really thought that he was five or six years younger than Charlotte, though… but whatever.

Quite frankly, I’m not really interested in sweating the details of these sorts of timelines anymore. But I should probably mention that the only other guesses for who Eloise could be pregnant with are: a) Penny (though most people don’t think that’s the case, as Ben indicated that having a child with “an outsider” was cause for Widmore’s banishment over a decade later, and Eloise is not an outsider), or b) some other character that is yet to be revealed or that we may have already met.

Pregnant or not, Eloise was hellbent on following her future son’s journal instructions. So the foursome made their way to the “pond entrance” of the chamber where Jughead had been stowed away. But that was as far as Kate was willing to go. She probably had time to think about her exchange with Jack while they traipsed through the bush, and she realized that she had to bring in reinforcements to try and stop him.
[Will Sayid's bullet move again?] She took about three steps before a shot rang out. (How many of you thought she’d been hit? I did.) And then another. He of the Black Tank Top to the rescue! The funny thing is that although I’d seen Sayid in the previews for this episode, I was completely surprised when he popped out from behind a tree, gun blazing. Needless to say, I was happy that he’s now reunited with a few of his old peeps.

OK, so maybe Sayid's just back with one of the 815ers. There was really no convincing Kate to stay, especially after she heard that Sayid was disappointed Little Ben had survived. This time, Eloise and Richard were just like, “Ah, what the hell,” when Ms. Austen stomped back toward Dharmaville.


WHOOMP!
THERE IT IS

[The doggy paddle won't cut it.] First off, let me just say that I would’ve definitely been a goner had my life depended on swimming through the underground tunnel that led to Jughead’s chamber. So kudos to Richard, Eloise, Jack and Sayid for having the lung capacity to get the job done. But are we really supposed to believe that they’re now somewhere directly underneath the Barracks? The tunnel was long… but it wasn’t that long. Maybe they’ve just crossed over to the outer-boundaries of Dharma’s land or something.

Regardless, I guess all that really matters is that Jughead was where Hawking said it would be. It wasn’t technically "buried" as Daniel had instructed in 1954, though. On that note, it’s a complete mystery as to how the bomb got to its present location in the first place.

JACK: You wanna tell me how we're gonna get a bomb out of here?
RICHARD: The same way we brought it in.
JACK: I assume you don't mean through the pool.
RICHARD: It's a 12-foot long, 40,000-pound hydrogen bomb. No, not through the pool.

[I'm 'bout to blow UP!] I’m assuming that the finale will reveal how Jughead was transported to its current location, but in the meantime my guess is that Smokey had something to do with it. We already know how he likes those underground chambers.

Before we revisit what the rest of the 1977ers were up to in this episode, let me share my conflicted thoughts on Ms. Eloise Hawking. From everything we’ve seen of her gray-haired version, we can deduce that she believes that the past cannot be changed – or that it would be disastrous to try to do so. She was upset when she thought Des might veer from his predetermined path when she met him in the antiques store in “Flashes Before Your Eyes.” And she knew she was sending her son to death – by her own hand – when she encouraged him to take Widmore up on his job offer, but she still went through with telling him to go.

However, the forty-year-old version of Ellie clearly believed that there was a way to change the past. She was desperate to turn back time in order to save her son – desperate enough to help Jack attempt to detonate Jughead.

[See? Don't mess with fate.] So why the drastic change in Ellie’s beliefs over the next thirty years of her life? Perhaps she came to learn that the universe would course-correct no matter what she did. We got the sense from “Flashes Before Your Eyes” that she’d experienced some part of a time loop over and over and over again. She had not only seen Desmond enter the antique store before, but had also witnessed the man in the red shoes be crushed by scaffolding, or killed in some other way, countless times. (How else would she know he was going to die?) Similarly, she learned that hard way that despite all of her attempts to change the past, she always ended up killing her son. And – more importantly – she realized that doing so was necessary for the greater good. Daniel had to die in order for the "right" chain of events to unfold. The frustrating part is that we Lost fans still don't know exactly what was or wasn't supposed to happen.

[Uh oh.] On a related note, everyone who hollered at me for being too tough on Ms. Hawking in my last write-up can rest assured that my feelings have softened a bit now that I’ve seen her remorse over her actions at the camp in 1977. You all know that I’ve always suspected some sort of time loop is in effect on the show, and I can’t imagine how it would feel to be a character like Eloise who may actually be fully conscious of that loop and have to experience an awful event like murdering her child – or seeing him die in some other fashion -- time and time again.


Alright, let’s head over to the Barracks, where the action was even more disturbing.



I’M GONNA GIT YOU SUCKA

[You. Are. So. Dead.] Not surprisingly, Radzinsky finally snapped and -- in his heightened state of agitation -- was able to usurp control from wimpy Horace. Yet all he could think to do was attempt to beat Sawyer into submission in order to learn what Kate did with Little Ben. Then, of course, Phil stepped in with an idea of his own about how to loosen LaFleur’s lips.

Here is one prediction I’m willing to bet on: Phil will die. Oh, yes. He will die. Not only will he die… his death will be epic.

[Oh, it's ON.] We’ve seen Sawyer get the beat-down from multiple characters over the years, but until this episode, when Random Hostile (named “Erik” in the transcript) manhandled Kate and Phil slapped Juliet, I don’t believe we’ve ever seen such intentional violence against any of the female Losties. Sayid already blew Erik away, so now it’s only a matter of time before Snarky Phil meets his maker. Will it happen in the finale? I would think so… the interrogation scene is fresh in our minds, which would make watching Sawyer get revenge all the better. Waiting eight months for a Sawyer/Phil showdown once the series returns in early 2010 wouldn't be nearly as satisfying.


I CAN'T KEEP IT A SECRET ANYMORE
WHOA, WHOA
I CAN'T HIDE IT 'CAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS

[History lesson needed, pronto!] While things were escalating at the barracks, Dr. Chang spied Hurley shuffling off into the jungle to join Jin and Miles. The three men were trying to decide what to do when Chang popped out of the brush and demanded to know whether or not Faraday had been telling the truth about being from the future. I have to say that this scene -- with Hurley’s ridiculous responses to the scientist’s questions – might just be my favorite funny scene in the entire series. It’s at least in the top five. I just died when Hurley relented, “All right, dude, we're from the future. Sorry.” Classic.

Unfortunately, there wasn’t much of a “moment” between Miles and his father once it was out in the open that they were related, but then again, Chang had to worry about getting Lara and Baby Miles the heck out of dodge. [Why are you being all Jekyll and Hyde?] So he ran back to the Barracks and thankfully interrupted Radzinsky’s Sawyer-bashing. In return for a map to the Hostile’s camp, Radzinsky agreed to let Sawyer and Juliet leave the Island.

From the woods, Miles saw Chang force his wife (with Baby Miles in tow) onto the submarine – and being a you-know-what about it in the process. I’m glad that they showed the light bulb go off in Miles’ head as he realized what all of us had already figured for some time: “It's the only way he could get her to leave.”


HEY NOW, HEY NOW
DON'T DREAM IT'S OVER

Next, the Jin/Miles/Hurley trio watched as Sawyer and Juliet also boarded the sub. Hurley figured that Sawyer must have a plan and that he would surely never choose to abandon the rest of them, but I’m thinking that – based on Sawyer’s giddiness about the prospect of buying Microsoft stock and betting on the ’78 Cowboys – he had finally made peace with leaving the Island, and everyone else on it, behind.

[So in the future there's this show called 'Big Love,' and...] Once in the vessel, he and Juliet shared a great moment as they mentally prepared for their new life together back in the “real world.” But – OF COURSE – no sooner had those two re-declared their love for each other than who should show up, but Kate. I'm sure I wasn't the only one who groaned out loud when she climbed down the ladder.

Since we saw the sub begin its journey, I really have no idea what’s going to happen with Kate, Sawyer and Juliet in the finale. Jack’s actions are surely going to affect all of the time-travelers; I maintain that whatever he does – or fails to do – with Jughead will be what sends them back to their rightful year. So I can’t believe that the sub’s going to get too far away from the Island before Kate talks Sawyer into finding a way to break free and return to help their friends. If I were her, I would say something like this: “Jack wants to completely erase the last three years of all of our lives. [Who's up for a rousing chorus of 'We All Live in a Yellow Submarine'?] And if what he does works, the two of you will have never met and you’ll have no memory of your time together. James, you’ll be successfully deported from Sydney to LA, while Juliet will continue to be held captive on the Island by Ben. Are you guys willing to risk Jack succeeding?”

I think we all know what their answer will be.


The scene has certainly been set for some major drama to go down in 1977 during the finale. But it’s not like everyone was singing "Kumbaya" on the Island thirty years later, either...


AND YOU’RE REALLY
A MILLION YEARS OLD
YOU CAN’T FOOL ME

The present-day action kicked off with Ageless Richard, who was working on one of those ship-in-a-bottle thingies. The assumption most people are making is that this must mean there’s a connection between Richard and The Black Rock (the similar looking ship that’s now resting in the middle of the jungle), whereas others just interpreted this scene as another reinforcement that Richard has a lot of time during which he can undertake such complicated hobbies.

Even though I know the mini-ship that Richard was building doesn’t look exactly like The Black Rock, I do think this scene was meant to remind us of that slave ship, as its history definitely has to be explained before the series is over.

[The Black Rock then...]
[The Black Rock now...]
[... and a teeny version?]

Richard doesn’t get much further on his project, however, as he is interrupted by The Return of John Locke. Locke sure knows how to make an entrance, doesn’t he? [C'mon kids, dinner's ready!] Much like he carried his dead-father-in-a-body-bag in "The Brig," he marched up the beach with a boar slung over his shoulders when he finally returned to "his people." Only this time, he was no longer desperately seeking their approval – he knew he was their leader, and he was there to take charge.

Ben and Sun were hanging back a bit, and Ben shared with Sun that Richard’s role could be likened to an “adviser.” Interesting. Between that bit of information and some of the things that transpired later between Locke and Richard, I’m starting to get the impression that the Ageless One might not be as all-knowing or powerful as some of us had previously assumed.

[I can't go much longer without some good lovin'!] All Sun cared about, though, was that Richard had been on the Island in the ‘70s. Richard confirmed that he remembered Kate and Jack from that time because he watched them die. However, he didn’t say anything about also making a deal with Kate in 2004 -- the deal that allowed her and others to leave the Island in return for saving Ben from Keamy’s men. So what's up with that? Is this proof that Whatever Happened Might Not Have Happened?

I’m going to address this in my amended finale theories section at the end of this post. For now, let’s continue on with the present-day Island scenes.



THERE'S NO BEGINNING
THERE'LL BE NO END

[I'm a handsome bastard, aren't I?] Locke got right down to business and began ordering Richard around. They immediately set off (with Ben, per Locke’s request) to help Other Locke with his gunshot wound. As Richard and Ben seemed seriously surprised to see Other Locke stumble into view, I can only assume that they really didn’t understand what had been happening to a subset of the Losties after Ben turned the FDW.

And since it was Locke who instructed Richard to tell Other Locke that he was going to have to die in order to be able to bring all of his people back, two things have been cleared up (kind of):

[I'm not paid enough to deal with these fools!] 1) Richard wasn’t getting information from Jacob, or the Island, or anyone else when helping Other Locke. I had previously assumed that Richard had some special knowledge about what was going on with the time-travelers, and knew that the Island would not allow Locke to return after turning the FDW… unless he was dead. Now it seems that we have another "compass situation." Locke and Richard have been passing the compass back and forth over time, so it’s hard to know where the object originated. Similarly, it’s no longer clear if Locke even had to die in order to return to the Island. He just made Richard tell him that because it’s what had always happened.

2) Like Eloise, Ben might be conscious of the possible time loop. Part of me thinks that Ben killed Locke out of hatred and jealousy, and only brought him on Ajira 316 because he knew the ruse of “the Island needs everyone to come back” was the only way to convince Jack to return. In this scenario, Ben never actually thought that Locke would be resurrected, and so all of his shock at seeing his old nemesis alive again is real.

[We all know what happens when somebody underestimates me...] But there’s another part of me that is convinced that Ben has seen all of this play out before. He killed Locke because he knew he had to… because of the conversation he would come to witness between Locke and Richard in the future where Locke states that he must die. Yes, this is confusing, but I believe that if a character knows that they’re in the time loop, they can retain information from both past and future events in that loop. As there is clearly something that both Ben and Eloise are trying to prevent and/or ensure will happen in this loop, they have to be extremely careful about how they go about influencing other characters, and they have to be thoughtful about their own actions as well.


YOU SAY YOU WANT A LEADER
BUT YOU CAN'T SEEM TO MAKE UP YOUR MIND

After they’d finished with the little “errand” of saving Other Locke, Richard, Locke and Ben returned to the Others’ camp. Aside from a group that was over at The Temple, Richard indicated that all of Locke’s new people were with them there at the beach. Hearing this, Locke called everyone over and made a big speech about how he was annoyed that they’d been taking orders from the likes of Jacob without ever seeing him. He then proceeded to invite the group with him to go pay a visit to the mysterious cabin-dweller.

[Did WE create this monster?] This did not please Richard.

RICHARD: I'm starting to think John Locke is gonna be trouble.
BEN: Why do you think I tried to kill him?

So perhaps now is the appropriate time to address a question I’ve been getting a lot ever since “Follow the Leader” aired. Do I, Erika, the one who named her site Long Live Locke, like the “new” Locke? This may surprise you, but the answer is no. I’m not sure if I’m just freaked out because the more confident he acts, the more I’m convinced that he may be a zombie or Smokey, or if I just simply prefer the Locke who was in love with the Island and believed in destiny but wasn’t so into being “the leader.” All I can hope at this point is that his newfound confidence doesn’t end in disaster.

[God help us all, indeed.] There’s good reason to worry. Despite what he said to Sun, Locke admitted to Ben that he had no interest in reuniting with the rest of the 815ers. His sole focus is killing Jacob. ?!?! I think Ben’s face at the end of the episode pretty much summed up the audience’s reaction: “Saaaay whhhaaaat?”

Since I’m willing to give Locke the benefit of the doubt, I can only assume that the writers were trying to trick us into believing that destroying Jacob would be “bad,” whereas it might actually be what Jacob needs. Let’s not forget that Jacob asked Locke to “save” him in “The Man Behind the Curtain.” Now that the Island seems to be whispering things in Locke’s ear, maybe The Bald One knows that this is what must be done in order to not only enable Jacob (whoever he is/was) to rest in peace, but also to ensure that the "right" side wins in the war that Widmore believes is coming to the Island. Remember, at the same time Locke is leading his peeps to confront Jacob, Ilana and Bram have taken Lapidus and the other 316ers captive and seem to be gearing up for a fight.

I have one more thought about all of this Jacob stuff, but if you don’t want to know the episode title of the finale, please skip ahead to the next bold-titled section.

[It's my way or the highway, freaks!] Are you episode-title-avoiders gone? Good. For the rest of you, the two-hour season-ender is called “The Incident,” and of course everyone’s been assuming that it refers to the event that necessitates the building of the Countdown Timer o’ Doom at the Swan – the event that releases a ton of energy that Faraday was going to try to counteract by detonating the hydrogen bomb. Whatever Jack does may either prevent this incident… or cause it. However, now that we know Locke’s plans, what if The Killing of Jacob is actually “the incident?” I mean, obviously something’s going to happen back in 1977, too, but a lot of times the episode titles have double meanings, and so I’m pretty sure that if Locke is successful in his attempt to do away with the never-before-seen order-giver, that’s going to have some serious consequences, too.



YOUR GUESS
IS AS GOOD AS MINE

[Hi there. I'm The Variable.] I’m not going to paste in the three finale theories I discussed in my last post, but if you want a refresher before continuing on, you can find them here. Below I’m simply going to tweak them a bit based on things we learned in “Follow the Leader.”


1) Desmond is The Variable

As this theory is based on Desmond making the “wrong” choice at some point during his time on the Island, not much that happened in this latest episode affects it. If only Desmond can change things, then we’ll most likely see Jack fail to set off Jughead and counteract the energy release at the Swan. So it will appear that Whatever Happened, Happened… but next season we’ll see that Des can in fact set things straight. That will involve him having to return to the Island and perhaps choose a side in “the war.” So when Richard said that he watched the Losties die in 1977, that's only because it looked like they were wiped out during the energy release at the Swan, when in reality they simply disappeared as they were transported thirty years into the future.

2) Free Will Wins

[Let's DO this!] Jack is successful in detonating Jughead and preventing the energy release at the Hatch site. However, that has some unintended consequences. The good (?) news is that for the versions of the 815ers that are children in 1977, they will either never get on flight 815 in September 2004, or if they do, the plane will not be brought down by Desmond failing to push the button, because the Swan will never be built in the first place. However, the bad news is that the time-traveling 815ers who are on the Island as adults in 1977 are all going to be killed by the Jughead explosion. So Richard wasn’t lying when he said that he saw them die.

[I can also promise you this: I'll be damned if I die AGAIN.] Admit it – that would be a pretty crazy cliffhanger if we saw almost all of the main characters die, right? Sure, in our guts we’d be like, “There’s no way they’re going to stay dead”… but it would still be pretty shocking, especially to the millions of “normal” fans who don’t read Lost blogs or message boards and who haven’t thought about all of this stuff that much. It would definitely ensure that everyone tunes back in for the final season next winter.

However, what does that mean for Season Six? Does it mean that the Island’s version of 2008 that Ben, Locke and Sun are experiencing is one in which the Swan was never built? Is the reason (albeit another "compass-like," circular, confusing reason) why Jack, Kate, Sayid and Hurley didn't end up in 2008 with Sun when Ajira 316 landed because they were already dead in the Island's new timeline? (I really have no idea how that could be explained on the show, but I thought I would throw it out as an idea.)

[There better be something really freakin' cool in that crate.] There would surely be some sort of violent fan uprising if the majority of the main characters remained dead during the bulk of the final season, so I can only assume that Locke, Ben, Hawking, Desmond or Widmore would do something to turn back the clock once again. There's even a crazy theory making the rounds that all of the Losties' dead bodies from the 1977 Jughead blast are what's in Ilana and Bram's crate, and that they'll somehow be brought back to life once the crate is opened. To the people perpetuating that theory, I can only say... have another drink!

3) Destiny Wins

This theory doesn't change very much, except that it needs to account for Richard saying that he saw the 815ers die in 1977. I'll chalk his comment up to the Losties disappearing in front of Richard's eyes during a blast and he interpreted it as them getting blown to pieces and dying.



I will make one more finale prediction, and this is the one I’m standing behind more than all of the other predictions I’ve made this season: I’m completely wrong about what will happen in the finale, and the three theories above will be shot to hell by 7:15 PM CST on Wednesday, May 13th.



BEST LINES OF THE EPISODE


[Following's not my thing.] [Locke walks into the Others' beach camp carrying a boar carcass across his shoulders.]
LOCKE: I brought dinner.



LOCKE: [Shouting to Ben, who’s sitting on the beach] Ben, I'd appreciate it if you'd join us.
BEN: [Shouting back] What, John, don't you trust me here with my former people? Afraid I'll stage a coup?
LOCKE: I'm not afraid of anything you can do anymore, Ben.
BEN: Well, in that case, I'd LOVE to come.




DR. CHANG: Your friend Faraday said that you were from the future. I need to know if he was telling the truth.
HURLEY: Dude, that's ridiculous.
DR. CHANG: What year were you born? What year?
HURLEY: Uh... 1931?
DR. CHANG: You're 46?
HURLEY: Yeah. Yes, I am.
DR. CHANG: So you fought in the Korean War?
HURLEY: [Pauses] There's no such thing.

[Where's all of my good luck NOW?] DR. CHANG: Who's the President of the United States?
HURLEY: All right, dude, we're from the future. Sorry.




SAWYER: We'll buy Microsoft.
JULIET: Excuse me?
SAWYER: Then we'll bet the Cowboys in the '78 Super Bowl. We're gonna be rich.




[No matter what happens, I will still be one badass mofo.] JACK: I didn't think you'd come.
SAYID: Well, if this works, you might just save us all. And if it doesn't? At least you'll put us out of our misery.



LOCKE: I'm not interested in being reunited with my people.
BEN: What do you mean? You told Sun--
LOCKE: I know what I told her, but that's not why we're going to Jacob.
BEN: Then why are we going to Jacob?
LOCKE: So I can kill him.



A FEW MORE THINGS...

- There is going to be an hour-long recap episode entitled "Lost: A Journey Through Time" preceding the finale and beginning at 8 PM EST. The two-hour finale will air at 9 PM EST.

- I'll be participating in a Day of The Finale live chat with Ryan over at Zap2It's Guide to Lost. Those of you who tuned in for our last chat know how much fun it was, so I hope you can join us this time around as well. Here's the link -- be there or be square! It's currently planned for 2 - 5 PM EST on Wednesday. This is a perfect opportunity to goof off at work... and also a great chance for those overseas to join in on the fun.

- Reader Mike P was lucky enough to attend an early screening of "Follow the Leader"... presented at Ohio State University by none other than executive producer Carlton Cuse. Mike P passed along some non-spoilery information from that night's Q&A session, so despite the fact that I'm a little peeved at Carlton for hanging around the campus of my alma mater's sworn enemy, I figured other Long Live Locke and DarkUFO readers might be interested in what was discussed. I've paraphrased Mike's notes below:

[We've been making out in the bushes for three years!] Q. What happened to Rose and Bernard?
A. They did not just disappear, we will see them again.

Q. Aside from deciding to make Michael Emerson a permanent member of the cast [I talked about how Emerson was initially only contracted for three episodes a few write-ups ago], are there any other Alternate Versions of Lost stories you can share?
A. One character we'd planned to do more with was Eko, but the actor playing him really did not like living in Hawaii at all and wanted to leave.

Q. Any plans for the Zombie Season? [This is something often joked about in the Official Podcasts.]
A. We've thought about what we could do... maybe something as a Season Six DVD extra, but there are no firm plans.

[I turned the FDW first!] Q. When will the polar bears be explained?
A. I thought they were fully explained - Dharma was testing how the Island affects "aggression and stuff" with them, after the Purge they escaped the cells, swam over from Hydra Island, bred and made more polar bears, "and then Sawyer shot one." The end.

Q. But what about the one Charlotte found in Tunisia?
A. Oh, yeah, well, hmmm... I dunno. Maybe it wandered too close when someone turned the donkey wheel?

Q. Why did you decide to base the Dharma Initiative in Ann Arbor/the University of Michigan? [For those of you who aren't into sports, the college at which this talk took place, Ohio State, is bitter rivals with U of M.]
A. We needed "a good Midwestern state" and there was an active peace and love and anti-war scene at U of M, and they had good archival footage they could use.

[Go fly a kite, Jack. Wha--I didn't mean LITERALLY.] Q. Where are your favorite and least favorite episodes?
A. Favorites: "The Constant" and the Season 5 finale. Least favorite: "Well, this one time we did an entire episode where Jack laid around on a beach, flew a kite, and got tattoos. That's when we figured out maybe we don't need to know absolutely everything about these characters' back stories... We make fun of that episode a lot internally." [The episode is "Stranger in a Strange Land" -- or -- "The One with Bai Ling."]

[I'm going to make the answer to this one invisible in case you consider it a spoiler... highlight it if you'd like to know.]
Q. What about Vincent?
A. "I promise, even if we kill of every single person that's ever been on the show and destroy the Island, Vincent will survive Lost." [e says: Yay!]

Thanks again for sharing this with us, Mike P! Take note, world: Wolverines and Buckeyes CAN get along.

OK, everybody... have a WONDERFUL time watching the last two hours of Season Five – I have no doubt that they will be fantastic.

See you on the other side,
- e

Blinken
05-13-2009, 12:58 PM
i really want a khaki one, so that i can also use it as a ghostbusters uniform :p

Thanks you guys, I just figured out my Holloween costume for this year, I am gonna be chef Hurly in the jumpsuite. :thu

Now to read that article.

kitt kat
05-13-2009, 03:30 PM
I
AM
SO
EXCITED

Cancersticks1
05-13-2009, 08:20 PM
GODDAMNIT!

Young blood
05-13-2009, 09:05 PM
War is coming.

Reincarnation is the key, they other guy in the beginning opposite Jaccob finally figured out the variable in the time loop.

BobCaygeon
05-13-2009, 10:04 PM
War is coming.

Reincarnation is the key, they other guy in the beginning opposite Jaccob finally figured out the variable in the time loop.

he said something like "do you know how hard it was for me to get here" or something like that. So of all the events in the series, which were the ones he's responsible for? And which were J responsible for?

My head hurts.

corbo
05-13-2009, 11:04 PM
so many questions ahhhhh!!! great episode

fikus222
05-13-2009, 11:04 PM
HOLY SH!T...That episode was pure badass. I've got to watch it again, but I am definitely pleased.

bballarl
05-13-2009, 11:23 PM
Holy fuckballs.

Blinken
05-13-2009, 11:25 PM
Holy fucking shit. Wow. I need some time to digest all of that. I didn't want Jacob to die I need to know more. What language was Richard/Ricarlos(sp?) speaking? Egyptian? Well at least ben was right dead is dead, although it seemed that Jacob brought Locke back from the dead after he was thrown out of the window. Yet all he did for Jack was give him a candy bar, I didn't get that one.

fikus222
05-13-2009, 11:41 PM
Holy fucking shit. Wow. I need some time to digest all of that. I didn't want Jacob to die I need to know more. What language was Richard/Ricarlos(sp?) speaking? Egyptian? Well at least ben was right dead is dead, although it seemed that Jacob brought Locke back from the dead after he was thrown out of the window. Yet all he did for Jack was give him a candy bar, I didn't get that one.

I think that he was speaking Portuguese and it's my theory that Richard was on board the vessel that Jacob and the other guy spotted in the beginning of the episode, which could possibly be the Black Rock.

bballarl
05-14-2009, 12:10 AM
Here are my/my friends' thoughts:

-Boat at the beginning was the Black Rock (Fikus, I like the idea that Richard could have been on it)

-Richard = Ricardus, which = Roman, as evidenced by the fact he spoke Latin (translations are varying, but the gist of what he said seems to be "He who shall save us all")

-Desmond and Walt are going to play a big part in making it all come together

-Jacob is going to rise from the fire like a phoenix. The symbolism was too obvious.

-The new Locke in black is the island somehow, or the guy at the beginning of the episode who was talking to Jacob. This new Locke manipulated Richard into killing old Locke, varifying his existence. Or something.

-Black/white symbolism with Locke and Jacob. Hello Biblical battles.

-People online seem to think the statue was of Sobek, this god who wasn't explicitly good but basically cleaned up after bad people. So that could be Richard or Jacob.

That's all I've got for now. Hey January.

Sexecutioner
05-14-2009, 12:10 AM
Best.Show.Ever.


and who the fuck are these people? ben should have kept his faith...what a pussy. and they are retarded for wanting to detonate that bomb, i really want to know what affects that will have on everything. man, i could go on forever but need to pass out. god i love this show and cant believe how long i have to wait for next season.

bballarl
05-14-2009, 12:20 AM
Oh, that was a thought I missed. They just made the incident happen. That is their ticket out of 1977. They played their part. Now they can join the battle for the island in the present.

tessalasset
05-14-2009, 12:40 AM
Here are my/my friends' thoughts:

-Boat at the beginning was the Black Rock (Fikus, I like the idea that Richard could have been on it)

-Richard = Ricardus, which = Roman, as evidenced by the fact he spoke Latin (translations are varying, but the gist of what he said seems to be "He who shall save us all")

-Desmond and Walt are going to play a big part in making it all come together

-Jacob is going to rise from the fire like a phoenix. The symbolism was too obvious.

-The new Locke in black is the island somehow, or the guy at the beginning of the episode who was talking to Jacob. This new Locke manipulated Richard into killing old Locke, varifying his existence. Or something.

-Black/white symbolism with Locke and Jacob. Hello Biblical battles.

-People online seem to think the statue was of Sobek, this god who wasn't explicitly good but basically cleaned up after bad people. So that could be Richard or Jacob.

That's all I've got for now. Hey January.


i cant even start. i was about to write and then something just clicked for me that negated what i was going to say.


oh my god i love this show so much. i don't want it to end.

fikus222
05-14-2009, 12:41 AM
oh my god i love this show so much. i don't want it to end.

I know, same here.

I was under the impression that they had a few more seasons to go.

tessalasset
05-14-2009, 12:49 AM
i wish. while i'm glad they can go out with a bang, still... dammit.

Somewhat Damaged
05-14-2009, 06:56 AM
Loved last night's episode. This was the first season I saw "live," having watched the previous four on DVD in a mad dash this past December, so this will be the first time I'll have to endure the torturous wait for the new season to start like the rest of you. :(

One thought I just had: in 1954, Richard Alpert looked the way we've come to expect him -- nicely coiffed hair, clean clothes, etc. In 1977, his appearance is also that way. But when Ben meets him as a child when he first comes to the island (when he keeps seeing visions of his mother in the woods), he looks sort of like a "wild man," his clothes tattered and dirty, his hair long and unkempt. Is that something that was addressed in the "Lost" boards in the past or could the answer to that be revealed next season?
Also expecting to find out what gets Eloise banished next season. She was the leader in '77 and sometime thereafter Charles becomes the leader, only to be banished when Ben assumes power. Could Eloise have moved the island, which is what made Widmore of the opinion that since Ben had done the same, he wouldn't be able to get back?

Alchemy
05-14-2009, 06:59 AM
So is Peter from the alternate reality?









Oh wait...

bug on your lip
05-14-2009, 07:00 AM
that was probably the most exhilarating thing i have ever seen

once this series is done i probably will just unplug my T.V.

atom heart
05-14-2009, 07:37 AM
So here's what I think happened with Jacob and his nemesis. Jacob at some time in the past was imprisoned in a time loop by Dark Guy in the cabin. Old Locke, when he was taken to Jacob's cabin disturbed the ash ring trapping him there (I only saw that ep once so correct me if the ash was already disturbed etc), freeing Jacob and allowing him to groom the 815ers, especially Locke, to help him. While he was imprisoned Alpert still assumed that it was Jacob in the statue (Sobek), and he and the Other's leaders took instructions through pieces of paper thinking they were from Jacob (and never saw the spirit giving them). Instead it was Dark Guy manipulating Ben, Widmore and the like, weaving in his loop hole. Dark Guy and Jacob may not even be able to touch each other let alone kill each other, and by grooming Ben into the psychopath he is and giving him enough emotional damage he finally gets to kill Jacob through Ben.

Unfortunately Ben was too distraught to realize he was being messed with. Again his intentions were sound but he clearly killed the wrong person (I kept thinking he would turn on Locke again). Jacob was the life giving force, Dark Guy Death and Judgement.

Pseudo Locke scares the hell out of me.

Also I'm torn between thinking everyone in 77 was blown to atom sized bits or them being transported back to 07.
The color change in the title was snazzy though.

samnco
05-14-2009, 07:48 AM
i had to pick between the nuggets and lost... i picked basketball :(

Cancersticks1
05-14-2009, 08:04 AM
i had to pick between the nuggets and lost... i picked basketball :(

:nono

atom heart
05-14-2009, 08:28 AM
The "I'm a Pisces" line was fantastic. Someone needs to edit together all of the weirdly sexual bits of the finale.

captncrzy
05-14-2009, 08:52 AM
-Boat at the beginning was the Black Rock (Fikus, I like the idea that Richard could have been on it).

Totally agree with both points




-Desmond and Walt are going to play a big part in making it all come together.

ooohhhh




-The new Locke in black is the island somehow, or the guy at the beginning of the episode who was talking to Jacob. This new Locke manipulated Richard into killing old Locke, varifying his existence. Or something..

I think the new Locke is the Smoke Monster. I think the Smoke Monster is Jacob's enemy from the beginning of the show.




-Black/white symbolism with Locke and Jacob. Hello Biblical battles..


Does ANYONE know what (if any) the biblical relationship was between Moses and Jacob? Were they enemies? Ben's line was "You just escorted him up here like he was Moses"....Seems like that could be something.






So is Peter from the alternate reality?









Oh wait...

Yes.

Cancersticks1
05-14-2009, 09:17 AM
I think the new Locke is the Smoke Monster. I think the Smoke Monster is Jacob's enemy from the beginning of the show.


No doubt. Which also means Christian, Yemi, etc. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but we haven't seen the smoke monster before or during the Dharma timeline yet have we? I have to wonder if "The Incident" actually releases it.

wmgaretjax
05-14-2009, 09:41 AM
So is Peter from the alternate reality?




hahahaha.

Young blood
05-14-2009, 09:55 AM
that was probably the most exhilarating thing i have ever seen

once this series is done i probably will just unplug my T.V.

I am with you. I don't think any form of tv or movie has moved me like lost. I'm done with all media after this show.

corbo
05-14-2009, 09:58 AM
could the atomic blast possibly have negated Jacob being killed?
If Faraday was correct...none of those future events would have happened.

unitedwestand
05-14-2009, 10:00 AM
on Chuck they keep on talking about Oceanic Flight 815

Blinken
05-14-2009, 10:04 AM
No doubt. Which also means Christian, Yemi, etc. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but we haven't seen the smoke monster before or during the Dharma timeline yet have we? I have to wonder if "The Incident" actually releases it.

Yeah I never thought about that, we haven't seen smokie in 1977, and in that time it really seems like the hostiles don't know a whole lot about what is going on.


could the atomic blast possibly have negated Jacob being killed?
If Faraday was correct...none of those future events would have happened.

Interesting, I am wondering if the reason Jack and the other O6 were sent to 1977 was to save Jacob. The Dark Guy thought he found a loophole and killed Jacob but really Jacob already people in the past course correcting everything. If Locke never made it to the Island then he couldn't be used by the dark guy. I can't wait until next year.

bartelby
05-14-2009, 10:46 AM
DarkGuy was definitely behind the reappearance of all the dead people. Maybe Jacob had Miles brought to the island to sniff him out?

I'm thinking/hoping that the nuking in '77 will negate Jakob's death in the future. But - Jacob's comment "It only ends once, anything before that is just progress" has my brain buzzing.

This show is incredible. It sounds corny, but I feel like now I know how people felt seeing Shakespeare's plays when they were first put on.

chairmenmeow47
05-14-2009, 10:47 AM
WOW

was anyone else pissed when we saw a mystery box? i kept thinking we'd have another season 3 "who's in the coffin" finale, but thankfully we got the answer to that... the same answer as last last time.

new locke scares me also. he's been acting odd, and i kept thinking it had something to do with the island bringing him back to life so now he's "lost his innocence" like ben or whatever, but this makes more sense. i kept thinking of rick's theory that locke was the smoke monster. randy & i were talking about how perhaps the smoke monster, or whatever opposing force to jacob that is on the island, takes the form of all the dead people/things on the island (christian, dave, kate's horse). so fuck y'all for possibly being on-track about the smoke/person theory :p

i was so glad to see juliet go down that well. i kinda figured someone would have to sacrafice themselves to make the bomb actually go off a la terminator 2. i just thought it would be sayid.

and i can't explain how much i love razinsky. he plays his character so well. it may seem totally unrealistic that he'd be pushing the envelope so much, but at the same time, knowing he kills himself in the swan later, it makes sense.

the scaffolding that fell on phil was kinda lame. also, juliet going back & forth was lame. i was glad to see her call sawyer on the kate thing. none of those people are meant to be together it seems and they need to get over this love rectangle bullshit. BOR-ING.

i want to know what role candle will play next season, it seems like he'll still be involved. i absolutely loved when miles asked everyone if they'd thought about how jack setting off the bomb might be the incident.

why did jacob give hurley the guitar? it seemed like he had to go "touch" all of these people for some reason. i'll have to re-watch to confirm, but it seems like every time we saw him in one of those flashbacks, he touched the person or an object they were touching. for example, jack & the apollo bar. jacob giving jack the candy bar doesn't seem to change the course of anything that happened after, but perhaps the act of touching puts jack on a path that leads to the island. who knows.

i also thought the ship at the beginning looked like the black rock. if that's the case, the statue fell sometime fairly recently.

what's ilana's significance? why does jacob care about her? why does she know the "question" about what lies in the shadow of the statue?

definitely a lot to talk in with the introduction of jacob. what's everyone's thoughts for the next season? i am not sure what i think yet. i tend to lean towards the idea that their idea "worked", but that they will still have memories of what happened. i guess we'll find out NEXT GODDAMNED YEAR. CURSE YOU LOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bartelby
05-14-2009, 11:00 AM
what other biblical or non-biblical stories are out there that deal with the 'belief in man vs. man is corrupt' argument that Jakob and Dark guy were talking about at the beginning?

is this all just a game between gods?

waiting for next season to start is going to be as bad as waiting for Coachella

Cancersticks1
05-14-2009, 11:30 AM
Yeah, he did make a point of touching each of them (been reading some interesting theories on that) what's very interesting is that Miles and several other characters didn't get a flashback, fine, but Juliet did, and yet no visit from Jacob? Something is up with that methinks.

tessalasset
05-14-2009, 11:42 AM
One thought I just had: in 1954, Richard Alpert looked the way we've come to expect him -- nicely coiffed hair, clean clothes, etc. In 1977, his appearance is also that way. But when Ben meets him as a child when he first comes to the island (when he keeps seeing visions of his mother in the woods), he looks sort of like a "wild man," his clothes tattered and dirty, his hair long and unkempt. Is that something that was addressed in the "Lost" boards in the past or could the answer to that be revealed next season?


i think the homeless style of dressing is just what "the others" wear to set newcomers offguard. ben did that too when they caught him in the net and mr. friendly during his "this is our island" speech. it's their costume for outsiders. when it's just them in their camp, they are normal people. we've seen their makeup and fake beards. richard's long hair could be part of that.



randy & i were talking about how perhaps the smoke monster, or whatever opposing force to jacob that is on the island, takes the form of all the dead people/things on the island (christian, dave, kate's horse).

we were thinking about that last night too, and i was convinced that DarkGuy aka jacob's nemesis just inhabited dead bodies, but the Locke thing threw me off. they definitely made a point in S1E1 (or was it S1E2?) of showing that Christian's body was not in the coffin anymore. so it did seem like DarkGuy could have taken over that body. so now it seems like he has taken over Locke's dead body, but wait! his body is still in the box! how the hell does that work then? also, do we know dave is dead? and the horse? i don't think those two are related to the christian/locke thing.

NicoDread
05-14-2009, 11:51 AM
Yeah, he did make a point of touching each of them (been reading some interesting theories on that) what's very interesting is that Miles and several other characters didn't get a flashback, fine, but Juliet did, and yet no visit from Jacob? Something is up with that methinks.

Maybe Juliet is some sort of variable. She wasn't "supposed" to be there in the sense that everyone else was, thus she was able to detonate the bomb.

chairmenmeow47
05-14-2009, 11:55 AM
what if the jacob we saw off the island was not jacob at all, but rather the "enemy" of jacob we saw in the beginning?

bartelby
05-14-2009, 12:00 PM
head explodes

captncrzy
05-14-2009, 12:05 PM
what if the jacob we saw off the island was not jacob at all, but rather the "enemy" of jacob we saw in the beginning?

oh, SHIT!

Somewhat Damaged
05-14-2009, 12:24 PM
what if the jacob we saw off the island was not jacob at all, but rather the "enemy" of jacob we saw in the beginning?

Only problem with that is, why would he assume Jacob's form? It's not like any of them are going to meet him in the future. This would actually be kinda dumb (no offense, Ivy) if that were the case because it would basically be done solely to throw off the audience, it wouldn't have any valid root in the story.

Cancersticks1
05-14-2009, 12:26 PM
Only problem with that is, why would he assume Jacob's form? It's not like any of them are going to meet him in the future. This would actually be kinda dumb (no offense, Ivy) if that were the case because it would basically be done solely to throw off the audience, it wouldn't have any valid root in the story.

Truth.

p.s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobek

chairmenmeow47
05-14-2009, 12:30 PM
Only problem with that is, why would he assume Jacob's form? It's not like any of them are going to meet him in the future. This would actually be kinda dumb (no offense, Ivy) if that were the case because it would basically be done solely to throw off the audience, it wouldn't have any valid root in the story.

i'm just throwing that out there, i haven't really thought about it much and am not married to the idea. but there are a lot of things in lost that are just done to throw off the audience.

and i was so happy to see vincent, rose & bernard. the only smart people on this entire show.

adamnikyo
05-14-2009, 12:41 PM
Jacob had a fraternal twin named Esau. Esau was the first born, with Jacob right behind him - literally holding his heel. They were constant rivals, even in the womb. Since Esau was firstborn, he was the heir to their father, Isaac. As children, Jacob tricked Esau into giving him his birthright. Esau later vowed to kill Jacob for this.

adamnikyo
05-14-2009, 12:44 PM
what if the jacob we saw off the island was not jacob at all, but rather the "enemy" of jacob we saw in the beginning?

I think it was Jacob. Jacob wants people to come to the island. They seemed to make this pretty clear at the start of the episode when the assumed Black Rock was approaching.

Jacob wants people to come to the island. His rival (Esau?) does not. It always ends in violence and war, he said. And Jacob responded, there's only one end, everything else is progress.

chairmenmeow47
05-14-2009, 12:51 PM
awesome explanation the esau vs. jacob, thank you :)

herro kitty
05-14-2009, 12:52 PM
I wonder why Iliana's boys dumped Old Locke's body out all unceremoniously to the side. Why couldn't they have just left it in the box? Besides anticipation for the audience when the camera was slowly going over the side, I mean.

I think New Locke threw Jacob into the fire so he could pretend to be Jacob or pretend Jacob never existed to the people that were coming. If just killing Jacob would suffice New Locke's motives, he wouldn't've kicked Jacob into the fire, right? If Locke wanted everyone to know that Jacob was killed, he would have shown the body to whoever was coming. Kicking Jacob into the fire would (eventually) eliminate the body. No one from the Others has ever really seen Jacob so New Locke could use that to his advantage.

Also, how convenient is it for the Jack's bomb squad to have Sayid? Just sayin', what a perfect guy to have picked up. He can read Faraday's physics all easy AND dismantle a hydrogen bomb without batting an eye. AND he was able to stay alive and conscious for at least another 20ish minutes after being shot at a critical area! AND be able to modify it?! Sayid is kick ass. I held my breath and was SO nervous for Jack and Sayid when they were walking through the village. Oh man, talk about ultimate stress.

Juliet is hardcore, too. Damn, she survived a fall like that and still handled her business to the very end. Interesting that she and Jack were both so loyal to their cause (going back to the island and bombs, respectively) because the ones they loved didn't really love them back. That sucks :(


This episode could make an awesome video game. There are so many interesting objectives. Dismantling a bomb, trying to sneak out of the village unhurt, the shootout at the Swan. Dude, the whole series would make the ultimate adventure game.

Sexecutioner
05-14-2009, 12:56 PM
head explodes

seriously. there are so many possibilities after this last episode that trying to wrap my head around everything is very overwhelming.


and i was so happy to see vincent, rose & bernard. the only smart people on this entire show.

TRUE DAT! that was one of my favorite parts of the episode. when everybody else is always running around tripping about the end of the world, they dont give a fuck and just want to chill in paradise until they die together. that would be me. leave me the fuck alone while i get my relax on you crazy bitches.

Blinken
05-14-2009, 01:13 PM
I am really thinking about getting seasons 1-4 on Blu Ray, alltogether they are $166. That really isn't that bad a deal. . . . I need to rewatch them all anyways over the summer, I have forgotten alot of stuff.

Sexecutioner
05-14-2009, 01:14 PM
netflix

chairmenmeow47
05-14-2009, 01:14 PM
or wait until the series is done and get whatever collection set they come up with.

TomAz
05-14-2009, 01:20 PM
Television
Where It’s 1977 and 2007 All at the Same Time
By GINIA BELLAFANTE
Published: May 12, 2009

The scientist Stephen Hawking once suggested that a sound argument against the existence of time travel could be the absence of tourists from the future. In other words, if you’re having a difficult time booking a hotel room in Houston, it isn’t because all those bargain hunters from 2086 logged onto Orbitz first.

However reasonable this idea might seem, it has not captivated the attention of the producers of “Lost,” who have devoted the show’s fifth and penultimate season (which ends on Wednesday) to the more mind-bendingly nonsensical dimensions of its sci-fi-ness. This season’s nearly complete submission to the most mechanical aspects of the genre has moved “Lost” further away from the territory of Stephen King and closer to the universe of “Jurassic Park.”

“Lost,” of course, is the ABC drama about a group of plane-crash survivors, stuck (and, well, not stuck) on a tropical island with mystical properties and no apparent evidence of a Ritz-Carlton. The island is also victim to a famously unreliable clock, so that various eras co-exist on it. The story this season has been told entirely in fragmented, convoluted time lapse.

Last year’s episodes ended with the Oceanic Six (supposedly the only survivors of the crash of Oceanic Flight 815) resuming life tenuously in 2007. Some of the others who remained on the island, unknown to the outside world, wind up in 1977, working for the Dharma Initiative, both a research project exploring zoology, electromagnetism and other phenomena, and a bungalow compound where the survivors are forced to wear jumpsuits and deal with people trying to look like Allen Ginsberg. (It’s the ’70s; I don’t get it: Why not Jackson Browne?)

Amid all the decade jumping, what has been most dispiriting about the current season is the show’s willingness to abandon many of the larger and more compelling themes that grounded the elaborate plot: the struggles between faith and reason; the indictments of extreme capitalism, the futility of recovery. All that remains is the reductively limned battle between fate and free will largely playing out, now, in Jack Shephard’s belief that returning to the island is his Destiny.

For much of the series, Jack (Matthew Fox), the erstwhile leader of the survivors and one of the Oceanic Six, has stood as a pragmatist fixed in combat with the more spiritual John Locke, even criticizing him a few weeks ago for believing he was special and meant for something.

Now Jack has come back with some of the other survivors (and, yes, they endured another plane crash and a dip through the space-time continuum to get there) believing it is their duty, and his calling, to save their compatriots. Some of the compatriots, though, appeared to be doing fine (at least until Jack and his crew arrived), especially Juliet, the fertility specialist, and Sawyer, the con man in remission, who had fallen in love, moved in together and started doing a lot of reading and cooking.

“Lost” is certainly to be granted its points for its subfunction as a soap opera this season. Sawyer’s ex-girlfriend Kate who’s also been involved with Jack, was among those to travel back to the island (largely, it seemed, out of boredom), and as it stands now she and Sawyer and Juliet have all been tossed off the island by the mean Dharma people and shipped off on a submarine freighter together, headed for Ann Arbor, Mich. Kate was a last-minute arrival on board, and as soon as she was plunked in, Juliet looked as though she had just been locked up with a smelly old chicken sandwich. But again, it continues to be the ’70s in this scenario, so we cannot rule out a reprise of “Swingtown.”

Or, apparently, an adaptation of “On the Beach.” The suspense currently hangs on whether or not Jack, on the advice of the dead-but-maybe-he-could-come-back-to-life Daniel Faraday (the twitchy physicist played by Jeremy Davies), will succeed in detonating a bomb that will disable certain island energy forces and ultimately ensure that the original plane crash never actually occurred.

Yes, Oceanic 815 would land in Los Angeles just as it was meant to, three years prior, and the only misery would be the kind regularly occurring in baggage claim. This seems to carry the potential of deeply insulting the viewer: if none of this actually happened, then why have we stayed with the series when we could have been watching “Boston Legal”?

The move to blow up the island has as one of its advocates Eloise Hawking (you read that correctly: Hawking), mother of the Oxford-educated scientist Faraday who is shot to death as a full-fledged adult by Eloise’s 1977 self. Eloise doesn’t realize then that Faraday is her son. But in the real world in 2007 (and played at that point by the wonderful Fionnula Flanagan) she makes it possible for Jack and his various companions to return to the island, motivated presumably by her wish to undo the killing. Of course this would seem to contradict Faraday’s season-long admonition that “whatever happened happened,” but even he seemed to come around to the idea that you can rejigger the past.

Even without the shooting, Eloise would stand as one of the series’s astonishingly imperfect parents. In flashbacks to Faraday as a young boy and later as a student at Oxford, we see her pushing him to greater feats of achievement as if she were operating from the Teri Shields playbook. Nearly all of the crash survivors can claim an abusive or drunken or absent father. (This season we even see the child version of Ben Linus, onetime leader of the island Others and a chief force of manipulative malevolence, struggling with an emotionally severe patriarch.) Nearly everyone is on the island essentially trying to recover from something.

Last season “Lost” made it clear that it doesn’t believe much in personal redemption. If it ultimately finds that the best way to overcome challenge is simply to erase crisis altogether, to tunnel back to an easier time, then I really will wish I’d been watching a jokey legal series with William Shatner all along.

adamnikyo
05-14-2009, 01:37 PM
Also, there's a lot of questions about why Jacob seemed to be visiting everyone when he did (some at pivotal moments of their lives, others seemingly at random). I don't have any ideas regarding the when, but I did notice that he made a point of making some sort of physical contact with each of them. When he gave Jack the candy bar it actually looked a little gay the way he brushed his finger against his.

chairmenmeow47
05-14-2009, 01:40 PM
why can't personal redemption be sacraficing your own personal desires (to raise aaron, to date kate, to have a normal life in the 70s, etc) for the sake of erasing a possibly earth shattering mistake?


the indictments of extreme capitalism

and this is just silly.

atom heart
05-14-2009, 02:20 PM
they definitely made a point in S1E1 (or was it S1E2?) of showing that Christian's body was not in the coffin anymore. so it did seem like DarkGuy could have taken over that body.

What I think is that Jacob and Dark Guy (Esau) have different MOs. Jacob can impart life as we saw with Locke's fatal fall. It's possible that Christian is in fact alive, and that Jacob bringing Christian back was the first of many things he did on the island once he was free of the cabin (Christian then lead Jack to the cave etc). Dark Guy on the other hand apes life and creates confusing apparitions - Smoke Monster Alex, Yemi - manipulating people and frightening them. Both Dark Guy and Jacob together ARE the island. Jacob is not a proxy - he is one side of the island's spiritual force. Jacob and his enemy are two sides of an internal struggle that somehow formed this little universe.

Cancersticks1
05-14-2009, 02:41 PM
I sent my friend an email because we didn't get a chance to geek out after the episode last night, and I'm posting it here to get your thoughts:

We didn't get nearly enough time to fully discuss stuff, so, where we left off: If they succeeded in changing the timeline, more shit would change than 815 simply not crashing, 1. The numbers: The numbers were transmitted via beacon presumably by entering the code and pushing the button, this transmission was heard by crazy what's-his-name who killed himself, and passed on to Leonard? Who goes insane and repeats the numbers ad nauseum to Hurley who wins the lottery with them. So if the Swan was never built, those characters would have led very different live/lived at all, and Hurley wouldn't have won, also affecting all the various things that transpired as an effect of that (people killed under his employ, etc.) Hell Locke was an unknowing employee of Hurley at one point, when he met Nadia. Also, if Hurley didn't win the lottery, someone else did, which starts a whole nother crazy chain of events. 2. Desmond: What does that mean for his life? Obviously he won't be spending time in the hatch for god-knows-how-long, depending on the scope of the blast, who dies on the island? If it spans to Whidmore, Penny might not even be born, and now his happy ending is sort of null and void. 3. Many characters who've been redeemed and died would not have had the oppurtunity, as well as the many red shirts who died, that's a long, long, list of changing events. And there's many, many more. However, there's also a lot of things that seem to negate this further. For instance we do see the events over the last few episodes going as plan, Miles father rushes his family off the island, loses his arm etc. However, all of that happens BEFORE Juliet activates the bomb, it could be that the incident was happening when the magnetism went wonking, which wasn't a response to Jughead at all, so it's unclear if this is how it's always happened. Another sketchy thing is earlier this season when we s ee Rousseau and crew arrive, they hear the numbers transmitted over their walkies (by the voice that sounded like Hurley) this recording hasn't happened yet as far as we've seen, and that wasn't the final time jump, and I'm trying to re-work out when exactly that was in relation to other events. Danielle was pregnant with Alex, and later we see nearly-adult Ben take Alex as an infant, so that was quite a bit AFTER the events in the finale, where Ben is a child still. So unless all of that is yet more backstory about to get erased, it would seem they're not finished there. And they did not show the outrigger canoe gunfight scene in the finale, so I don't know if we'll get that eventually or not. Another thought, seeing as Jacob's counterpart (Dark Locke) masterminded this whole chain of events leading up to him posing as Locke/leader of the others, the starting point of this plan being when he SUCCEEDED and from there explaining to Richard to convince time travelling real Locke what he needed to do, and pulling strings all throughout time (at least 1954-2007 and back again) for this to work implies a) that he and Jacob, presumably, exist outside of normal time constraints and b) they are still operating on a deterministic, strict cause & effect timeline. Downward/reverse causation is only feasible if time doesn't exist or history is already written.

Blinken
05-14-2009, 03:15 PM
Also, there's a lot of questions about why Jacob seemed to be visiting everyone when he did (some at pivotal moments of their lives, others seemingly at random). I don't have any ideas regarding the when, but I did notice that he made a point of making some sort of physical contact with each of them. When he gave Jack the candy bar it actually looked a little gay the way he brushed his finger against his.

I need to watch it again but it seemed to me that he didn't actually touch Jack's hand, he just handed him a candy bar. I also feel that there was something that we missed with Juliet's flashback because that was the only one that didn't fit. Maybe Juliet's Dad has some importance we don't know about yet. What if the 1977 losties don't back to 2008, maybe they go to 1947, or 1877? I really don't think Jacob is dead, if he is then why was he trying to get Hurley and Sayid back on the island. He seems to have knowledge of the time loops and what has happened and what wil happen. So sending Hurley and Sayid back in time could have been his insurance policy against the dark guy? I guess the Black Rock arriving at the island is catalyst for the chain of events that leads to flight 815 crashing on the Island. The only question is why? What is the meaning behind what Jacob is doing?

kitt kat
05-14-2009, 03:20 PM
all I'm going to say is...

GODDAMNIT I CAN'T WAIT 8 MONTHS

benhur
05-14-2009, 04:32 PM
Okay...here is whats up.

The new Locke is the smoke monster. The smoke monster is the dude in the beginning that was talking with Jacob. We shall call him Chris for aesthetic purposes. So, if any of you forgot, the conversation between Chris and Jacob was a disagreement about whether or not people should be brought to the island. Jacob "summoned" the black rock to prove something to Chris, but Chris disagreed and wanted to kill Jacob for bring others to the island. What is the smoke monster? Everyone since the beginning of season one have said that the smoke monster was a security system to protect the island (or something specifically on it) from people. This fits exactly in line with Chris and Jacobs conversation. This also fits in line with the fact that new Locke is actually Chris. First of all Chris was the one that always wanted to kill Jacob. Second for some reason he couldn't do it (or else it would have been done in the black rock scene) and thats why Ben had to do it. Third it fits in line with why the smoke monster would tell Ben to do everything John Locke said because the smoke monster was John Locke and would essentially give himself his own pawn. Also, that little clue about when Ben said "the next thing that comes out of the forest I can't control" he was talking about the smoke monster but then Locke shows up. Ironically Locke was the smoke monster. That line was included for a reason. Theres a lot of other pieces of evidence that support this theory of the three-way Chris/Monster/NewLocke connection.

chairmenmeow47
05-14-2009, 04:37 PM
What I think is that Jacob and Dark Guy (Esau) have different MOs. Jacob can impart life as we saw with Locke's fatal fall. It's possible that Christian is in fact alive, and that Jacob bringing Christian back was the first of many things he did on the island once he was free of the cabin (Christian then lead Jack to the cave etc). Dark Guy on the other hand apes life and creates confusing apparitions - Smoke Monster Alex, Yemi - manipulating people and frightening them. Both Dark Guy and Jacob together ARE the island. Jacob is not a proxy - he is one side of the island's spiritual force. Jacob and his enemy are two sides of an internal struggle that somehow formed this little universe.

good call. this makes sense with the whole white & black thing from season one.

i just love that this dark force used an aparation of locke to trick ben into killing jacob. awesome. i want more, MORE LOST!!!

and nice work, benhur :thu

tessalasset
05-14-2009, 07:37 PM
What I think is that Jacob and Dark Guy (Esau) have different MOs. Jacob can impart life as we saw with Locke's fatal fall. It's possible that Christian is in fact alive, and that Jacob bringing Christian back was the first of many things he did on the island once he was free of the cabin (Christian then lead Jack to the cave etc). Dark Guy on the other hand apes life and creates confusing apparitions - Smoke Monster Alex, Yemi - manipulating people and frightening them. Both Dark Guy and Jacob together ARE the island. Jacob is not a proxy - he is one side of the island's spiritual force. Jacob and his enemy are two sides of an internal struggle that somehow formed this little universe.
I absolutely love this. I hope this is true.


Also benhur your post makes me feel like you haven't been reading this thread for the past few pages and just came in and posted blindly. true?

fikus222
05-14-2009, 07:47 PM
Both Dark Guy and Jacob together ARE the island. Jacob is not a proxy - he is one side of the island's spiritual force. Jacob and his enemy are two sides of an internal struggle that somehow formed this little universe.

This is paired down to what I sort of agree with. They may not actually BE the Island, just the Island's representatives of those sides of itself. Working together by working against one another.


Also benhur your post makes me feel like you haven't been reading this thread for the past few pages and just came in and posted blindly. true?

I don't read the majority of people's posts...no offense, but if it takes somebody a ton of lines to make their point than they are most likely wrong.

Edit:

Jacob touched everyone he visited.

Edit2:

I saw Lil Ben on an episode of Scrubs, he had leukemia...

benhur
05-14-2009, 09:10 PM
I absolutely love this. I hope this is true.


Also benhur your post makes me feel like you haven't been reading this thread for the past few pages and just came in and posted blindly. true?

ha...i got the newlocke/anti-Jacob connection, but i didn't see anyone relate it to the smoke monster. i guess i missed that.

Somewhat Damaged
05-14-2009, 09:25 PM
I wrote about Locke being the smoke monster, like, two weeks ago, dude. :p

tessalasset
05-14-2009, 10:25 PM
looooong time ago. like...after that episode came out. but whatever, it's all good.


i think this is the ONLY thread on the entire board in which i've read every single post. i don't feel like i can contribute until i'm caught up on what everyone else has said. minimizes clutter.

fikus222
05-14-2009, 11:05 PM
I wrote about Locke being the smoke monster, like, two weeks ago, dude. :p

Not to be snarky, but it wasn't a good theory then and it certainly hasn't improved with everyone elses iterations either.

signmeup
05-14-2009, 11:56 PM
So if we assume Jacobs nemesis is the smoke monster, or at least that he can take the form of other (deceased) people, then we can make the assumption that he has been inhabiting Christians form from the beginning. and all this "I can speak on Jacob's behalf" stuff is bullshit and it was all a plan to get locke off the island and kill himself and his body be brought back so he can take his form, make ben follow him (especially after his/smokeys llittle show as alex) so that he can convince him to kill jacob. (which apparently the loophole was just getting someone else to do it for him? why ben?)

also, when ben first brings locke to jacobs cabin, the whole "help me" part, i believe was jacobs rival talking, and that jacob has had him imprisoned there this whole tyime and once the ash ring breaks he is free to manipulate people and things and travel around freely and plot his revenge. or something like that.

one more thing. what if jacobs body is dead and burns and all that but his "spirit" or whatever then inhabits bens body, so theres this whole "war" or battle thats essentially jacob vs. rival but what we see is ben vs. locke?

signmeup
05-15-2009, 12:01 AM
also juliets flashback just seemed like it was all about love, i may have to rewatch it but werent her parents like "just because you love someone doesnt mean youre supposed to be together, youll understand when youre older." and then she changed her mind about the bomb and told sawyer that just because they love each other doesnt mean theyre supposed to be together.

i also saw this on aint it cool


And if ABC’s remake of “V” goes to series (as it’s expected to), how will Elizabeth Mitchell star in it and “Lost” at the same time?

so im assuming "V" is happening and they needed to kill of juliet in a quick and stupid way so that the actress could move on to doing the other show. just a possibility.

fikus222
05-15-2009, 01:01 AM
also juliets flashback just seemed like it was all about love, i may have to rewatch it but werent her parents like "just because you love someone doesnt mean youre supposed to be together, youll understand when youre older." and then she changed her mind about the bomb and told sawyer that just because they love each other doesnt mean theyre supposed to be together.

Totally.





so im assuming "V" is happening and they needed to kill of juliet in a quick and stupid way so that the actress could move on to doing the other show. just a possibility.

Good theory. She's probably dead, because we've already had someone survive an explosion, Jin.

Stefinitely Maybe
05-15-2009, 08:21 AM
Haha. (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/guy_who_says_previously_on_heroes?utm)

adamnikyo
05-15-2009, 11:30 AM
Did anyone notice what looked to me like a stuntman breaking his leg/ankle during the shootout? It happens at 25:49 of part 2 of the finale at abc.com, but when we watched it in slo-mo on the DVR at home, it's much better. The guy's leg BENDS when it hits the metal fence/railing thing.

jusbcus25
05-15-2009, 04:47 PM
Jacob touched everyone he visited.

...


I don't think it was about touching them but was about the subliminal messages he left with them. I don't recall what happened with everyone but what he said to Jack was that it just needs a push sometimes or something of that sort. and with Juliet it was about love and that she needed to let go. all these things played a big role at the end.

and was it just me or when they hit the pocket with the drill did it sound like the noise the smoke monster makes?

Also Locke had some major MOOBS going on.

real talk
05-15-2009, 06:53 PM
When this is over I'm going to need to see a flow chart.

signmeup
05-16-2009, 12:43 AM
Also Locke had some major MOOBS going on.

that was definitely distracting!....and sexy

Tylerdurden31
05-16-2009, 07:14 AM
someone asked about a relationship between Jacob and Moses...there wasn't a direct relationship...however, Jacob was the father of Joseph. Joseph's brothers sold him to Egyptian traders (slavery). So Joseph was basically the start of the Jews in Egypt. Moses as we all know, led the Jews out of Egypt. I'm pretty sure Ben's comment was just a sarcastic one and I don't think it was meant to be anything biblical other than the fact that Moses always commanded the Pharaoh's attention.

I really need to try and think a little more while watching, because that Jacob and Esau connection makes complete sense.

So Ben is way more of a pawn than they would've let you believe at any point before.

I can't take this...TOO MANY MONTHS!

Tylerdurden31
05-16-2009, 11:17 AM
and here's a long shot for you

Ilana...anagram for Lānaʻi

Lānaʻi has been under the control of nearby Maui (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maui) since before recorded history. The first inhabitants of this island may have arrived as late as the 15th century. According to the Hawaiian legends (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_mythology), man-eating spirits occupied the island before that time. For generations, Maui chiefs believed in these man-eating spirits. Depending on which legend one follows either the prophet Lanikāula drove the spirits from the island or the unruly Maui prince Kauluāʻau accomplished that heroic feat. The more popular myth is that the mischievous Kauluāʻau pulled up every ʻulu (Artocarpus altilis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breadfruit)) tree he could find on Maui.

bam pow

Tylerdurden31
05-19-2009, 11:05 AM
i'm gonna keep talking about Lost until someone else humors me

what if Radzinsky was actually the evil dude
like the way that he was Locke
Radzinsky did everything he could to stop everyone from stopping the drill

sonofhal
05-19-2009, 12:54 PM
Hey, i have finally caught up with you guys. The finale was on here on Sunday, but i only got around to watching it last night.

I had withdrawl symtoms today, so i actually played the fairly mediocre Lost game on the 360. A little bit of poo popped out whilst the smoke was chasing me around the forest.

chairmenmeow47
05-19-2009, 01:00 PM
i got a season 2 boardgame as a gift that was extremely underwhelming. lost triva would have been more fun, this was more like an adventure board game. randy had a good suggestion though, it would be cooler if it had cards that sent you back in time or something.

tessalasset
05-19-2009, 10:22 PM
and here's a long shot for you

Ilana...anagram for Lānaʻi

Lānaʻi has been under the control of nearby Maui (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maui) since before recorded history. The first inhabitants of this island may have arrived as late as the 15th century. According to the Hawaiian legends (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_mythology), man-eating spirits occupied the island before that time. For generations, Maui chiefs believed in these man-eating spirits. Depending on which legend one follows either the prophet Lanikāula drove the spirits from the island or the unruly Maui prince Kauluāʻau accomplished that heroic feat. The more popular myth is that the mischievous Kauluāʻau pulled up every ʻulu (Artocarpus altilis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breadfruit)) tree he could find on Maui.

bam pow

even with your bolding, i don't understand the significance of this. smoke monster knocking down trees?

Tylerdurden31
05-20-2009, 05:15 AM
even with your bolding, i don't understand the significance of this. smoke monster knocking down trees?

you obviously do understand. It was knocking them down in the beginning, but at some point they were being pulled out of the ground.

I've been getting pretty far fetched with lost mythology in the past week. Ridiculous in fact.

BeHereNOW
05-25-2009, 08:17 AM
so we all know why the losties crashed on the island (thank u desmond)
but what about this 2nd plane crashin on the island and sending people back in time n shit? there was no desmod to trigger any radiation and all... doesn't make any sense why 2nd plane crashed... i guess Lost doesn't make any sense all together really

i never really liked juliet character until now juliet+5
i still hate kate though, getting me out of my nerves everytime, making jacks life miserable

Young blood
06-01-2009, 11:04 AM
Its long but I feel its necessary.


Things I Noticed - The Incident by Vozzek69
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Last night when my head hit the pillow I realized something: The best season of LOST had just ended with the best episode ever. My opinion of course, but it was also my pillow. Way too many things to talk about, so no clever intro. Things I Noticed:

What Lies in the Shadow of the Statue? Red Snapper

Nothing could be cooler than opening the finale with this amazing scene. Delivering Jacob two minutes into the finale was awesome writing... waiting until the end to reveal him would've definitely been too little too late. In what's possibly the most pivotal scene in all of LOST, Jacob and the stranger in the dark shirt reveal an ageless battle between light and dark, fate and free will, maybe even between good and evil itself. All this while the Black Rock sails along in the distance, within the shadow of what now looks to be Anubis, jackal-god of death.
We learn so much stuff here it's hard to know where to start. You've got the repeated visual imagery of Jacob in white, the other man in a dark shirt. They discuss a seemingly eternal struggle between right and wrong, each of them sure of their position, neither one of them able to prove it... yet. We also learn what we've always suspected: that some force on the island - now explained to be Jacob - has been bringing people to its shores for a very, very long time. And for just as long, the dark force opposing him has been 'dealing' with these people in his own way, countering every move Jacob makes. Turns out it IS a game. A game between these two players. A game that has played out over and over again, in almost exactly the same ways, only each time with different people of different eras.

The dark man is annoyed at Jacob's attempts to keep bringing new players, or pieces, onto their chessboard. "They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt"... these are the points he makes to indicate once again that Jacob will fail to prove him wrong. He seems to suggest that the darker sides of human nature won't allow the circle to be broken. No matter who's on the ship, or the next ship, (or the airplane...) "It always ends the same". Jacob's response: "It only ends once. Anything that happens before that? It's just progress".


This conversation is the crux of the entire show. The dark man is resigned to the fact that LOST's loop will never be broken. He argues that Man's destructive history and propensity for war will never allow anything but corruption. This is an inner corruption too; one of the heart and soul. The dark man is judging humankind here on a very general basis - it doesn't matter who the Black Rock brings to the island, he believes Jacob will never be right.


Jacob on the other hand, believes in change. Maybe even an inner change, brought about by sacrifice and purity. All throughout LOST we've seen the terrible things done by everyone throughout their flashbacks. They've each been guilty of being impure on one level or another. Lying, cheating, stealing, killing - there are skeletons in every closet. At one time or another, every single one of our characters has done something to prove the dark man right... something that could be judged to be impure by his own definition of human nature. Everyone, of course, except for one person: Hurley.


So just as the dark man believes this wheel will spin round and round, forever unchanged, it's Jacob's opposite belief that there will be an ending. One single ending. And everything else that happens up to that point? It's nothing but practice. Progress. Evolution. Because eventually, Jacob believes that someone will be born out of all this record-skipping mayhem that will have the purity needed to end this really long game. Someone who passes judgment. Someone who can actually change things.


"Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you?" The casual coolness of this line totally made the scene for me. It summed up the power struggle between these two entities (demi-gods?), and how neither one has been able to triumph over the other. When the dark man suggested "I'm going to find a loophole", I could've sworn he said "We're in the final loophole"... after replaying it a half-dozen times I'm going with the obvious first choice, but I also wonder if maybe it wasn't made to sound that way intentionally. Jacob's answer to the dark dude's death threat? Bring it.


What can we conclude here? It's obvious to me at least, that the guy in the dark shirt represents the smoke monster. This fits well with all the judging we've seen smokie do throughout the show. He abhors Jacob constantly bringing in all these tainted outsiders to violate the sanctity of his island. He killed Mr. Eko for refusing to repent. He destroyed the pilot before he could radio for help... to keep other slimy corrupt humans from finding the island. The smoke monster is the island's judge and jury, but he's also locked in a timeless power struggle with Jacob - one that goes by a very specific set of rules (the book of laws?) These dictate what they can and cannot do, and one thing they seemingly can't do is move the chesspieces around the board with their own hands. They can indirectly influence these moves by manipulating certain things, but the ultimate choices must eventually be made by the pieces themselves.


Perhaps this also explains why the kids, Zach and Emma, were taken away so early in the show. While they're almost certainly innocent and pure, they also haven't grown up yet. They haven't had the chance to be exposed to the vices of man, or to make any potentially corruptible decisions. Therefore, they don't count. And because they don't count, they cannot be pieces in this game... and are quickly removed.


I also found it interesting how the dark man refused Jacob's offer of fish with the line "I just ate". I'm probably not the only person wondering exactly what, or who, he just ate. The whole scene absolutely rocked. I think it opened the finale by shedding all new light on the way we'll view the island, the show, and everything else from here until the end of the series.



Juliet... Master Architect of The Great Sub Escape

If anyone took charge of their own destiny this episode, it was Juliet. She made some very command decisions last night, and all of them were key to bringing about the final resolution at the end. You had to feel bad for Sawyer, too. Even to the very last minute, Sawyer fought hard for his off-island fantasy. Seems like he really wanted to give living an honest life with Juliet a try, but as she points out later on, it probably wasn't ever meant to be.


I also give Juliet credit for knowing and accepting a lot of really hard things. For one, even though she knew her life with Sawyer wasn't ever meant to happen, she loved and clung on to it with both hands. This is why she agrees with Kate to go back to the island. If Jack were allowed to hit the show's reset button, it would erase everything she had with James. Juliet would rather give up any chance at freedom if it meant still having a life with the one man who really made her happy. She even looks back woefully at the sub's periscope as it disappears, inwardly knowing it was her last shot at ever leaving the island.



Richard - Now 0 for 2 When it Comes to Picking Leaders

As Sayid dismantles Jughead according to Dan's crazy scribbles, 1977 Richard has a few questions for Jack. He explains that he's visited a young John Locke three times already, and in none of those instances did he see anything that would indicate Locke to be 'special'. As we'll see later on, maybe John Locke wasn't special after all. He was a puppet in life, and a puppet in death: nothing more than a vessel used by the smoke monster on his quest to find a loophole.


Richard's instincts are correct here, but then Jack tells him not to give up on Locke. Maybe it's these very words that cause Richard to approach Locke on that hill a few seasons ago, incorrectly pushing the role of leadership upon him. Locke was never supposed to be chosen. He didn't have any more of a claim to leadership over the Others than Ben did. Richard was wrong on both counts... or so it seems that way. More on Locke later.


The one thing however that Richard is very serious about: protecting those leaders once they're chosen. Pistol-whipping Eloise was a good start to the violence that overwhelmed the whole second half of this episode. As much as Eloise wants to prevent the death of her son by helping Jack's mission succeed, Richard's loyalty to keeping her (or maybe her child?) safe precludes that. So it ends up with just Jack, Sayid, two jumpsuits, a bomb, and a whole lot of flying bullets.



Hurley & The Van to the Rescue - Parts II and III

This isn't the first season finale where Hugo drives to everyone's rescue in a periwinkle van. In fact, he even does it twice this episode. When the shit hits the fan, it seems like Hurley's always there to turn the fan off. And Jack's look as he saw Jin helping him load Sayid into the van was priceless.


Also priceless? The angry Jackface we got right after Roger put a bullet in Sayid's stomach. Jack went OFF this episode! He served bullets to anyone who looked hungry. I also have to say, Sayid's "Don't shoot me because I'm carrying a nuclear devic-" argument was a little weak considering the current situation. When Dharma's at DefCon 1 and you're staring down the barrel of Roger Linus' rifle? It's time to duck. Diplomacy goes out the window, here.


And just as it was lucky that Jack had the key to the janitor's closet a few episodes ago, it's equally lucky that Hurley just happens to know where the Swan station is. It's a good thing he and Miles are in the circle of trust, because it's not like they could stop at a gas station and ask directions.



What's in the Shadow of the Statue? A Whole Lot of Anti-Aging Cosmetics

All our little LOST lives we've been waiting for cool interactions like the ones between Locke, Richard, and Ben - and now we get them rapid-fire, all at once. In another great scene we see Richard pull Locke aside to call bullshit on his resurrection. Locke responds by calling double-dog bullshit on Richard for never aging. And that's when we get at least a partial answer to a BIG question we've always wanted the answer to: "I'm this way because of Jacob".


Finally seeing the origins of Richard Alpert will be one of the great scenes of Season 6, and I'm looking forward to it. And now that we know Richard's eternal youth is Jacob's doing, we can theorize he left him altered that way as the ageless keeper and counselor for the Others. These are Jacob's people, and apparently the dark man hasn't been able to touch them. Probably because they're island-born: they maintain a certain purity by living on its soil, drinking its waters, fishing its oceans. They're not intruders, and so he has no beef with them. That's my guess anyway.


Of bigger importance this scene is what Locke says will happen after Jacob is killed. He tells Richard that they're going to need to "take care of" the rest of the people from Ajira 316. Smokie has it out for the shadow-statue people, putting them firmly on the side of Jacob. The fact that he plans on doing anything after Jacob is dead also tells us that the battle isn't fully over, and that the monster will most likely keep using the form of John Locke next season. Which is awesome, because none of us want to see the end of Terry O'Quinn.



Someone's Been Sleeping In Jacob's Bed

And they trashed his whole cabin, too. Maybe ghost Claire had some friends over? Whoever it was, they even took down all his cool dogs playing poker paintings - something that was totally uncalled for.


And as Illana rummages through the ruins of Horace's once great vacation spot, we see the cabin for the first time in stark, revealing daylight. This time there's nothing spooky or supernatural about it: it's just a very run-down cabin. We don't need Illana's words to Bram in order to realize that whoever or whatever was using the cabin is now long gone. We also learn that Jacob hasn't been there for a very long time, and that "someone else" was using the cabin. Oh, and the machete note pinned to the wall? That's left there by Jacob, to let Illana know where she and the shadow-statue people can find him.


My theory on this is long and complicated, and probably has some holes in it... but here it is:


The man in the dark shirt was somehow imprisoned in the cabin, kept there by the circle of ash. This is who we first saw say "Help me" when the cabin was introduced. Maybe Jacob tricked him in there and trapped him, and maybe Richard even helped. This could explain why the dark man could at first only appear in one of his most ancient forms - the smoke monster - because his physical being was stuck in the cabin behind the circle of ash. We also saw him appear in the forms of Yemi and Alex, but only after having scanned the minds of the people who knew those characters.


Whatever the case, once the circle was broken the entity was allowed to leave. It took the form of Christian, but it also knew that Richard would never lead Christian to where Jacob was hiding out. It therefore needed to take the form of John Locke, a man who Richard envisions should be the true leader of the Others. As Richard points out, only the leader of the Others would be permitted an audience with Jacob... it's part of "the rules" and the smoke monster knows this.


And so the dark dude/monster develops an elaborate plan: To become Locke, it knows the original John Locke needs to die. But the island (Jacob?) won't let allow Locke to die; this is best evidenced when Ben shoots him point blank and he somehow lives. It realizes it needs to get Locke off island in order to kill him. It then uses ghost Christian to manipulate Locke into turning the wheel, where it knows/hopes Locke will be killed, while at the same time planting seeds in Locke's head that he'll need to die in order to come back. Ben dutifully brings Locke's body back on Ajira 316, thinking he's doing the island's bidding when he's actually doing the opposite.


The smoke monster takes over from there. All that's left at that point is to gain a weapon with which to kill Jacob. That weapon is Ben, and the dark man has been sharpening that weapon for a long time now.



That's The Door to the Hatch, Where You and I First Met

After breaking through a thick wall of sarcasm, Locke asks Ben about his initial meeting with Jacob in the cabin. Ben admits to never having seen Jacob, even opening up to being embarrassed that he'd been living a lie. He'd lied to his people, Locke's people, and Locke himself. Bitterly, Ben realizes he was never special. He wasn't ever supposed to be chosen, and Richard made the wrong decision in bringing him to the temple. Ben's sacrifice wasn't a sacrifice at all - he was taken without ever given a chance to decide... forced to lead a people whom he didn't belong to, made to follow a leader he could never see. His whole life has been nothing but a big lie, and he tells Locke so. And once he admits it, Locke seems satisfied with the answer. Is this the smoke monster judging Ben again, trying to get him to admit his big charade? Hell yes.


Then Ben asks Locke why he wants HIM to kill Jacob. Locke responds by throwing more fuel on the fire... giving Ben's motivations against Jacob a huge push. The dark man/smokie wants to breed anger and resentment toward Jacob, causing Ben to lose control of himself again the way he did when he killed Keamy. The smoke monster is honing Ben to a razor-sharp edge this last episode, breeding the anger and resentment needed to strike the killing blow.


The act of actually finding Jacob is being taken care of by Richard. The dark man needs to locate him, and Richard is obliged to lead him there in the form of Locke. When they finally get there: "Well that's a wonderful foot Richard, but what does it have to do with Jacob?" Look at the sideways glance he gives Richard when he responds by telling him that's where Jacob lives. Almost like "Damn, that should've been the first place I checked!"



Jacob's Oceanic 815 Round-The-World Tour

In some of the coolest moments this episode, we get to watch Jacob visit a bunch of the main characters at all different points in their lives. Some were kids, some were adults. Sometimes Jacob spoke, and sometimes he didn't say much of anything at all. As I watched these meetings I wondered what the purpose was. I couldn't understand why Jacob was taking the trouble to show up in all these characters lives for such brief moments. But then I watched the episode a second time, and suddenly I saw a common thread that ran through every single one of the meetings: In each scene, Jacob *touched* the person he was visiting.


* Jacob buys Kate a New Kids lunchbox, then tries to tell her not to steal again. A moment later, he touches Kate on the nose.


* Jacob hands James Ford a pen so he finish writing his infamous letter to the real Sawyer. As he does that, his hand lingers on young James' fingers.


* With Sayid, he's even sneakier. Jacob waits until Nadia gets creamed, then reaches up and touches Sayid on the arm as he turns his head.


* After his fall, Jacob touches Locke distinctly on the shoulder. His touch also seems to almost revive (or resurrect?) him.


* At Sun & Jin's wedding, Jacob reaches out and pats them both on their shoulders at the same time. He then goes on to speak flawless Korean and mows down the shrimp cocktail (deleted scene).


* Jacob hands Jack his Apollo bar and holds it just a second too long, lingering enough so that their fingers touch. Jack responds with a creepy stare.


* And with Hurley, Jacob reaches over the guitar case and touches him pointedly as he explains about flight 316.


Only in the meeting with Illana does Jacob not touch her. But we can't see his hands, and he does lean in really close to her... so it still might've happened. Then again, Illana wasn't a passenger on flight 815 as the others were, and seemed more of Jacob's agent. Touching her didn't seem as important.


So, why does Jacob touch each character at some point in their past? I'll bet it's got something to do with knowing (and reading) their thoughts, their memories, and their lives. Remember all those crazy coincidences between everyone all throughout LOST? Duplicate places, people, objects we've seen over and over again, like MaCutcheon's whisky? My theory has always been that the island's (or Jacob's) knowledge consists only of a finite amount of these things. What if it obtained these images and memories by reaching out and touching these characters, absorbing the major events in their lives, kind of like the way the smoke monster can scan people in it's own special way? There you go.


In retrospect, it does seem that Jacob's showing some genuine compassion for each of these people when he meets them. I totally believed him as he apologetically told Locke "I'm sorry this happened to you". He seemed concerned for Sawyer, and genuinely happy for Sun and Jin. Maybe he even visited Sayid at the exact moment he would've crossed the street and gotten killed, effectively saving him from being buried along with Nadia. And maybe Sayid dies from the gunshot wound he receives this episode because course correction puts him back where he belongs? Let's hope not.


The Jacob scenes were all good, but the most vital one by far was his visit with Hurley. Here, Jacob takes the time to actually speak with Hugo. He convinces him that he's not crazy, which is all-important to getting Hurley back on the plane. It's probably the one thing he needed to hear, and leaving him that guitar case to remind him of Charlie was probably another great motivator in Hugo boarding that flight. What's in it is another story.


I believe Hurley is the most special character on LOST when it comes to ultimately changing the game. He's the dark man's nightmare: someone who's totally above judgment. Hugo is the one pure, good, innocent and untarnished person lost in a sea of people who did some really bad shit. Nothing can ever corrupt him: not even the tremendous amounts of money or power associated with winning the lottery. Hugo's untouchable, and Jacob knows it. He allows Hurley make his own decision, and his decision was to come back to the island.



The Drive Shaft Ring Scene

Totally cool. Classy and awesome. Just watching Sun picking that thing up flooded my head with memories of all the old characters we don't even realize how much we miss anymore.



Didn't Y'all Hear Meet at the Creek?

Rose, Bernard, Vincent! I didn't think I'd be all that happy to see them, but this scene was so totally cool. For about five minutes, it broke up all the seriousness and tension building up during the other two hours of the show. And wow, it sure looks like Bernard got into the canned goods.


Now Rose hasn't had all that many lines in LOST, but when she does speak it's usually something filled with wisdom or purpose. So as Sawyer and the she-commandos burst onto the scenes with pistols and rifles ready, Rose echoes some of the very thoughts the dark man brings up in the opening scene this episode by telling them "It's always something with you people".


Rose and Bernard have retired, which is an interesting way to phrase it. If the island were a great big bunch of kids all playing tag, it's like these two kids just quit in the middle of the game and went off to do something else. They don't care about bombs, guns, or flying through time - all they want is to chill out and enjoy each other. This might be their own personal redemption; to stop running around looking for the next best thing and finally just smell the roses.


In the cool, coy way they seemed to regard Sawyer, Kate, and Juliet... it almost seemed to me as if they knew something the other three didn't. This was magnified when Bernard stops Juliet on the way out of camp: "Are you sure you don't want to stay for some tea?" Call it foreshadowing, sixth sense, whatever you want... I got the impression Bernard somehow knew Juliet should've stayed for tea. But sadly she didn't.



There's No Shortage of Klaxon Horns in Dharma

Seriously, they're everywhere. And just look at Radzinski: I haven't seen anyone this hellbent on drilling a hole since Armageddon. WTF did he think was gonna happen when he hit that pocket? Dumbass.



Well it Was a Long Time Coming...

Finally, we get to see the knockdown drag-out fight between Sawyer and Jack. As with past Locke/Jack battles, one of them takes the logical road and the other is pushing destiny down everyone's throat like a furious drug dealer. Jack's on the complete opposite side of his past arguments now, and Sawyer's on the opposite side of his past responsibilities. Both of them make good points, but as is often the case with LOST, it's nearly impossible to know which side is right and which is wrong.


Sawyer's "Think you can do whatever the hell you want?" line refers directly to Jack messing up his cozy Dharma lifestyle, but it also steps on the toes of free will. Jack's response is equivalent to "Hey, if I'm not supposed to do this then something will stop me". They beat the snot out of each other here, and I'm pretty sure the makeup department had to borrow some fake blood from the set of the Twilight sequel next door.


Juliet's flashback interrupts this scene, where she learns that sometimes two people love each other but aren't meant to be together... just like her and Sawyer. Suddenly everything's clear to her on this subject. I'd wondered why Juliet had the only flashback that didn't include Jacob, but that's because she wasn't ever necessary to the island's whole plan. She was someone Ben brought in for his own purposes only, and never really place in the grand scheme of things. More lost than anyone, really.


Sawyer's freakout at her sudden flip-flop to Jack's side of the argument is squashed when Juliet tells him "I saw the way you looked at her". Sure enough, she caught the glance Sawyer gave Kate back at Rose & Bernard's condo. Knowing they probably weren't meant to be together is one thing, but realizing they couldn't be together forever is another. At this point, Juliet realizes she'd rather go back to living an Other life - without ever having known Sawyer - rather than suffer the pain of losing him.



Holy Shit He Really Beat The Crap Out of You!

This line was cut from the original script, but it's probably what Kate was thinking. In a direct parallel of their first scene ever, Kate's cleaning Jack up. He pulls the Aaron and Claire cards from his sleeve, and asks her to trust him. Suddenly he talks a good game, and Jack's pretty convincing here.


I'd wondered why we got to see a flashback where his dad actually gave him a timeout, but what Christian was trying to do was instill Jack with a firm belief in himself. The lesson here was to forget about what everyone else was thinking and concentrate on your own beliefs and abilities. Jack uses this confidence to win Kate over. He somehow knows what he's doing is right. He makes her realize that if she truly did come back for Aaron, this is the only way to help Claire. Kate searches her feelings and agrees with him: all or nothing.


And the "See you in Los Angeles" line was GREAT.



Nothing Can Save Me...

Sayid, close to death - close to unconsciousness... it's only then that he realizes he can never be saved. It doesn't really matter what Jack does, the sum of Sayid's past sins is just too great. Even if he makes it, he can never atone.



The Incident

It was everything it needed to be, and it completely exceeded my expectations. The incident was a total clusterfuck for Dharma, for the 815'ers, and for the sanity of LOST fans everywhere who have to endure a *very* long eight or nine months of not knowing exactly what happened. But they did it up right! They made it awesome.


Did whatever happened happen again? Or did things change? There's no definitive answer here. Until we see what happens in the opening scene of next season, you could easily make arguments for both sides. Jack and company definitely accomplished Dan's goal: to detonate the bomb as close to the magnetic pocket as possible. But was that a big enough boulder to make changes in the great river of time?


Personally, I think so. Although Miles made a good argument that perhaps the 815'ers showing up with the bomb is what actually *causes* the incident, it's pretty obvious that there was going to be an "incident" no matter what. Nobody was going to stop Radzinsky from drilling - apparently not even Chang physically shutting the drill off. They were going to break through to that pocket - gunfight or not. Everything metal got sucked into that hole, jeeps and everything, and that was going to happen even if Jack's crew was drinking tea back at the swing set.


Chang lost his arm, just like we knew he would. Radzinski lived. Phil got what was coming to him. Bad stuff went down. But it was only after all of this had already happened that we saw Juliet set off the nuke by banging it with a rock. THIS could be the thing that changes everything... including the LOST logo, which for 100+ episodes has always been white on black, but is suddenly reversed to black on white. Hmmm.


Now of course you could argue that the nuke itself was always part of the original incident. Maybe this is why so much cement is poured on top of the Swan site. Maybe this is why the area gets quarantined, and everyone stationed there gets fancy yellow suits. Maybe this is why Desmond needs to inject himself with serum every time he wakes up to Mama Cass. All decent arguments.


However (and I'm definitely not an expert), I'm thinking the detonation of an atomic warhead would cause the following big problems:


1) Everyone would be thoroughly and completely dead.

2) The whole area would be a molten mess.

3) Radiation at the site would be deadly for a really long time.


To me, if that bomb went off things are looking pretty grim for Radzinsky, Chang, and the future of half the island. I can't see a way around that. I'm guessing that the whole plan to change things might've finally worked... something happened to create ripples way too big for even course correction to overcome. But again, that's me.


No matter what happened here, it leaves us with tremendous questions regarding our main characters. What the hell happens next?


I think we can safely rule out everyone being dead. As great as Ben, Richard, Locke and Sun might be, they can't carry the show. And while the possibility of them all landing safely in LAX sounds plausible, I don't know how it could fit into the storyline with a whole season left to go.


Could they wake up on the beach just after the crash, at the beginning of the show... but retaining all their current memories? I love this idea. But I also don't think this type of result is doable from a production standpoint. It would require Boone, Shannon, Charlie, Michael, and a very young Walt. Can't see this happening.


The most likely possibility is that our main characters wake up on the island in 2007. Maybe the release of magnetic energy flashes them back to current time a split second before they're evaporated. If so, who goes? Just the people from 815? Wouldn't Juliet go too? Rose, Bernard, Vincent? Big questions.


Finally, let's consider this scenario: the bomb never went off. The flash we saw was just like all the other flashes, spinning everyone through time. Maybe the drill broke into the pocket just before Juliet could detonate the nuke (in which case maybe she's still alive). This would be a pretty big lie to carry on for eight or nine months, but I could totally see them doing it. ;)



He Who Will Protect Us All

Halfway through the episode I was pretty sure I knew what was in the box... and it was exactly what I thought it was. The major death this episode was John Locke, a man who died the same way he lived - completely bamboozled by someone he trusted.


But was Locke really nothing special, as Richie Ricardus would have us believe? Or do remnants of Locke's consciousness still remain within the form currently being inhabited by the dark man/smoke monster? If so, they didn't get there on the ride back on Ajira. Locke was dead as a doornail by then, and so was his mind.


Although he's dead, I'm pretty sure we're going to see lots of Locke next season. Knowing he's someone else - and only someone else - would put a pretty negative spin on his character for a lot of people. This is why I think there's a lot of John Locke still left inside that person in the now green shirt. And maybe it even got put there by Jacob. Just speculation here, but Jacob did touch each and every one of the characters he visited... but he touched Locke in an extra special way. Maybe he took something from him when he did that - and that's all I've got to say on this subject before someone gets all Search for Spock on me.



Jacob... Disrespecting Benjamin Linus for 35 Years And Counting

The final scene of the present-day storyline was every bit the incredible confrontation it needed to be. Jacob recognized immediately who had come for him. He looked saddened, not scared - expressing a form of pity instead of fear. His arch nemesis goes on to tell describe the incredible amounts of trouble he had to go through to arrive at this moment, and Jacob looks stoic as his adversary savors what finally looks to be victory.


It was surprising to me how fast Ben's role in everything was reduced to nothing more than a tool needed to commit murder. Sure, it's the murder of a demi-god... but I still thought Ben would've seen something like this coming. Instead, he didn't. The dark man used Ben as his very own dagger, finally using his long-sought after loophole to plunge Ben's knife deep into Jacob's heart. And Jacob just stood there and took it.


We've finally seen the entirety of Ben's character - from his beginnings as an innocent kid to the calculating, quick-thinking liar who ruled the island as an adult for so many years. In the end however, his emotions are reduced quickly back to that of a needy child, one looking only for some type parental recognition. Jacob never acknowledged Ben... whether he refused to do this or simply couldn't we really can't say. What we do know is the complete absence of Jacob caused a void in Ben's life, one that got filled with hatred and vengeance once Alex was killed. These fires were further stoked by his banishment after thankless years of obedient service.


At the exact moment Ben stands before Jacob, all he wants is that recognition. All he needs is a little attention from the person he so faithfully and blindly served for so many years. But Jacob offered him none. And as Ben closed on him, Jacob offered no resistance. There were probably a hundred things he could've said to ease Ben's 35 years of pain, maybe even explain some things to him. Instead, Jacob actually egged Ben on by answering his servant's query with his own sardonic version of the same question: "What ABOUT you?"


This triggers kill-crazy Ben, the same unstoppable force we saw in Keamy's last moments of life. Jacob knew this. He knew those words would elicit Ben's killing response, and he stood there and took each blow of Ben's knife without trying to stop it or fight him off. The smoke monster couldn't kill Jacob directly, but instead provided Ben with a weapon, a motive, and a confrontation with his enemy. This was his loophole. Ben kills Jacob by choice, but I also believe that Jacob chooses to die here.


In short, I think Jacob has a plan. That plan has something to do with Illana and the shadow-statue people. It might also have something to do with Illana's mention of Frank possibly being a 'candidate'. While I'm not exactly sure how he'll survive, I'm pretty sure we haven't seen the last of Jacob. I can't help but keep thinking about the ending to the movie Legend. Darkness needs light, light needs darkness. One cannot exist without the other - it's both poetic and cool.


Guys, Gals... it's been real. This season was my favorite one. The story's circle is closing, and I love where the writers are going with it. I've enjoyed all these weeks writing this stuff, reading your own thoughts and ideas, and talking about LOST with everyone. I know I've promised this before, but I'll try really hard to be around in the off-season. This is our last hiatus. It's going to be the longest, and possibly the worst, but we'll stick it out together.


As always, here's wishing everyone an ass-kicking summer!

-Vozz


"The Incident " Recap and Analysis, by Erika
Posted by The ODI at 5/29/2009 05:27:00 PM (Comments: 34) Comment Pop-up
Labels: Erika Olson, Recaps, The Incident

Here is the Season Five finale recap from Erika Olson (aka "e") from LongLiveLocke.com.

[Bomb's away!] I'm happy to report that a full nine days after "The Incident" originally aired, I finally got a chance to watch it again. The good news is that it was much more enjoyable the second time around, but the bad news is that I'm only slightly less confused than I was when I hurriedly typed out my initial thoughts on May 14th. Thankfully, however, you guys were able to set me straight on a few things over the past several days:
1) There are no clones (reader Niwram reminded me that the two rabbits in the Orchid video were the result of time travel, not cloning),
2) The man taking Locke's form probably also doubles as Smokey,
3) Jacob might not be the good guy like I previously assumed, and
4) According to ABC's episode recap, a hidden code in the May 2009 Wired magazine (edited by J.J Abrams) and an interview with Michael Emerson (Ben), the statue is Taweret. (At least I guessed right the first time.)

[Look at this face. How could I be evil?] I think the easiest way to tackle this two-hour episode is to start with the Jacob-centric scenes, move to the present-day Island events, follow those with the 1977 action, and then end with a bit of speculation about what could possibly happen in Season Six.

Also, since I could write a full post about each of the little clues spread throughout the finale, I'm choosing instead to provide links where appropriate to web sites that offer greater detail about, say, the book Jacob was reading. As you shall soon see, this post is already ridiculously long. But least you have until February to finish reading it...

And now, let's begin at the beginning.

(Note to new readers: rolling over the screencaps in this post will reveal a caption.)

GIVE 'EM THE OLD DOUBLE WHAMMY
DAZE AND DIZZY 'EM
BACK SINCE THE DAYS OF OLD METHUSELAH
EVERYONE LOVES
THE BIG BAMBOOZ-A-LER

[I hate you more. No, I hate YOU more.] Within the first few minutes of "The Incident," we were not only introduced to the long elusive Jacob (he's... just... a regular-looking dude?), but we also got a much better glimpse of the four-toed statue. It became clear to me from the opening scene that this was going to be an extremely strange finale; the series had suddenly been swept into a new -- although not entirely unexpected -- context. Jacob and his mysterious adversary had some sort of long-running bet about the nature of mankind, and everyone who came to the Island (or, should I say, was lured to the Island by Jacob) unknowingly became part of this squabbling duo's experiment.

MYSTERY MAN: I don't have to ask. You brought them here. Still trying to prove me wrong, aren't you?
JACOB: You are wrong.
MYSTERY MAN: Am I? They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.
JACOB: It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.
The mystery man then proceeded to tell Jacob that he'd eventually find a "loophole" and kill him. And Jacob was like, "Bring it on."

[Wanna know a secret? No matter how they try, they cant kill me off of this show!] The first time I watched the finale, I automatically assumed that Jacob was "good" and the mystery man was "evil." It seemed to me that the mystery man believed people were inherently bad, while Jacob was intent on showing him that humans deserved a chance. Many of you wrote to me with the opinion that I should not jump to the conclusion that we can easily categorize either of these age-old beings. Perhaps they don't represent good versus evil or fate versus free will or science versus faith or anything that clear-cut.

Upon watching the show again, I can definitely appreciate how some of you are hesitant to slap labels on these new characters. However, the practical side of me thinks that they do represent two distinct sides, because the "light versus dark" theme has raged throughout this series since the pilot episode, and so it would make sense if Jacob and his adversary were the physical representations of this theme. [I'm sick of your sadistic games, bro.] This series needs to be wrapped up in seventeen more hours, and I think that when everything is said and done, it must be clear to the average viewer what Jacob and his adversary stand for (as in, one of them must be "the bad guy" and one of them must be "the good guy"). But does the fact that Jacob was wearing a white shirt automatically mean he's not the villain? No.

On my second viewing, I couldn't help but wonder if what I originally perceived to be evilness was actually just the mystery man's frustration with Jacob for messing with people's lives -- if perhaps he was more sympathetic to those who were reeled in to the Island, and knew that the only way to spare others in the future was to kill Jacob.

To complicate things further, we have the series of off-Island trips Jacob took in order to visit the 815ers at critical points in their lives...


JUST A LITTLE OF THAT HUMAN TOUCH

When Jacob was revealed to be the man offering to pay for the lunchbox Little Kate swiped, I got chills. I thought that we would then see a bunch of flashbacks in which Jacob interacted with the Lostaways when they were kids, and that we could therefore conclude that he somehow drew all of them onto Oceanic 815. But that's not exactly what happened -- Jacob visited both Hurley and Sayid after 815 but pre-Ajira 316. [I would've gone for the Milli Vanilli lunchbox, but that's just me.] So what other reason could there be for these encounters?

Let's take a quick look at each one:

- When Little Kate stole the New Kids (Joey McIntyre 4EVA!) lunchbox, Jacob was there to prevent the shop owner from calling her parents and the police. He then gave her a little tap on the nose as he told her to "be good." So was he trying to set her on a straight and narrow path for the future... or was he subtly sending her the message that she could get away with doing bad things and evading the law?

- Little Sawyer was in the process of writing his vengeful note to the man he would later spend a good part of his adult life trying to hunt down and murder... but then his pen ran out. Jacob handed him another so that he could keep on scribbling. Was he trying to encourage James' quest to kill The Real Sawyer?

[: ( ] - Jacob called Sayid back from the intersection where Nadia was hit. Did he save Sayid from also being struck? Or did he actually orchestrate Nadia's murder in order to put Sayid on the path of working for Ben? On a related note, I found it extremely interesting that in the recap episode ("A Journey in Time") which aired prior to the finale, the producers stated that "Sayid 'believed' he was assassinating Widmore's men" while he was in cahoots with Mr. Linus. Notice how they used the word "believed" -- it makes me question whether it was really Widmore's associates that Sayid was offing. (I picked up on this because last year Carlton said that Sun was "consumed with grief because she believed Jin was dead" -- that was a little hint that Jin wasn't gone for good). So now I think there's a chance that the people Sayid killed were actually decoys set up by Jacob, and that even Ben had been fooled into thinking they worked for Widmore. [Revenge is sweet... until you find out you may have taken revenge on the wrong people...] The fact that Ilana was the one to trap Sayid and that she knew about the man he killed at the golf course supports this theory (now that we've seen Jacob ask Ilana to "help" him).

- Right before Locke had his eight-story fall, Jacob was just chillin' on a park bench nearby, reading Flannery O'Connor's Everything That Rises Must Converge. Once Locke landed with a sickening thud, Jacob calmly walked over to him, put his hand on John's shoulder, and said, "I'm sorry this happened to you." I'm in the camp that believes Locke had been dead until Jacob did his thing. Unlike the previous three flashbacks, nothing about this interaction struck me as dastardly.

[Two more things: 1) Sun, don't cheat, and 2) Jin, don't beat up people for a living. ] - The same can be said for Jacob's time with Jin and Sun. He showed up at their wedding, emphasized how they should never take their love for granted (in perfect Korean), and then disappeared into the crowd.

- Next came Jack -- he had the quickest encounter... simply receiving an Apollo bar from Jacob (immediately following the harrowing surgery he described to Kate in the pilot episode -- kind of cool to get to see that).

- Finally, Hurley got his visit. After he was released from prison, just a day before Ajira 316 departed, Hurley shared a cab with Jacob and was the only 815 survivor to have a bit of a chat with the enigmatic man. Jacob reassured Hurley that he was not crazy, and that he should look at his ability to see and speak with his dead friends as a blessing. Before he got out of the cab, Jacob made it clear that returning to the Island was Hurley's choice. And even though Jacob claimed the guitar case wasn't his, [Bring me some of that secret mayo sauce once you get back to the Island, will ya?] it was surely put there by him to remind Hurley of Charlie... and hopefully nudge Hurley into showing up at the airport.

The majority of Jacob's interactions with the Lostaways lead me to believe that my initial hunch about Jacob was right -- he's "the good guy." His talk with Hurley was what really helped convince me that Jacob's not out to ruin anyone's life -- he's a proponent of free will, and hopes that the people he visited will make the right decisions in their lives.

There's no obvious connection between any of Jacob's visits, except for the fact that all of the people were on Flight 815 (duh)... and that he physically touched Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Sayid, Hurley, Locke, Jin and Sun. By doing so, I can only assume that Jacob transferred some sort of power to them... or -- perhaps like the mutant Rogue from X-Men -- [I don't resurrect just ANYBODY, you know.] took a bit of their essence and/or memories for himself. Since Locke seemed to be revived after Jacob came to him, though, I'd say it's probably the former. But how will Jacob's encounters with the 815ers affect things going forward? And how did he know to visit those specific people at those exact times in the first place?

I'll attempt to provide answers to the above questions at the end of this post. First, it's time to review all of the bad stuff that went down in the present-day on the Island.


BUT I STILL
HAVEN'T FOUND
WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR

[Frank went to his 'happy place' for the ride over] This finale did not show us who was involved in the outrigger shoot-out against the time-travelers; add that to the heaping pile of Mysteries To Be Resolved In 2010. Instead, Bram, Ilana, a few other randoms and Lapidus safely made it to the shore of the main Island with their huge metal crate in tow. Both Bram and Ilana tried to reassure Frank that he was with "the good guys," but I don't blame our favorite pilot for remaining suspicious. I also wonder what they consider him to possibly be "a candidate" for -- my only guess at this point would be a member of the army they might need to call upon in the upcoming Island war.

Anyway, after showing Frank what was in the crate, the group took off for Jacob's cabin. Since we saw a flashback of Jacob visiting Ilana and asking her to help him, we can assume that this group is on Jacob's "side" (and not part of a Dharma resurgence, like I originally believed). Did you see how Jacob wore gloves when he talked to Ilana in the hospital? [Yeah, I'm really in the condition to help you.] More proof that when he touches people, something happens. I'm very curious to know how Ilana ended up in the heavily bandaged state she was in when Jacob talked to her, but obviously that answer's going to have to wait until next year, too.

In the meantime, we know that once Ilana rummaged around in the cabin, she quickly came to the conclusion that Jacob hadn't been there for a while, and that someone else had been using the dilapidated shelter. The group was going to have to keep looking for their leader, but at least he'd left a clue: a drawing of the statue.

Later in this post I will talk about how I think we have to reinterpret all of the previous cabin scenes that have aired to date, but for now let me mention that both Bram and Ilana were on edge when they saw the big gap in the ring of ash that encircled the shack. They also found it appropriate to torch the cabin once they learned Jacob was no longer there, [Haven't you guys ever heard of Smokey the Bear?] despite Lapidus pointing out that the entire jungle may go up in flames. (Anyone else think that this may actually happen next season?)

So Ilana and crew headed out to Taweret, but Locke, Ben, Sun, Richard and the Others had a big head start. After a quick rest stop at the 815ers old camp (so glad Sun found Charlie's ring! And so hoping that her doing so was meant to foreshadow the return of the Island's most celebrated rock god...) and a few more snarky exchanges between Locke and Ben, Richard finally led the Others to the four-toed statue and informed Locke that Jacob could be found inside. After a weak attempt to stop Locke from bringing Ben along, Richard helped the two men find the secret entrance, and then stepped aside.

Shortly thereafter, Ilana's group finally caught up to Richard and showed him what was in the crate. The lyrics below pretty much sum up my reaction.


EXCUSE ME, PLEASE
ONE MORE DRINK
COULD YOU MAKE IT STRONG
'CAUSE I DON'T NEED TO THINK

[Oooh, look at Ricardus acting all hip and MODERN.] After Richard told Ilana that what lies in the shadow of the statue was "Ille qui nos omnes servabit," or "he who will protect/save us all," I started to get the sinking feeling that I wasn't going to be happy when I saw what Bram and his buddies had been hauling around the jungle. As I don't think we have been given any reason to believe that Richard is "bad" per se, and since Ilana specifically asked for him by his presumably old old name (Ricardus), meaning that she might have known or heard about him way back in the day, I extend my "probably not bad" assumption to her and her small group (especially since Richard told the Others not to attack). Which would mean that Jacob -- their ultimate boss -- is also good. And because we knew Locke's intentions were to have Ben kill Jacob... and since Locke had definitely been acting stranger and stranger after he returned to the Island, I braced myself to see him roll out of the crate.

[e, commence your weeping.]

And that's what happened. Real Locke was dead, and had been that way ever since Ben strangled him at the end of "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham" (making my memories of running across filming for this episode in Oahu very bittersweet). Once Ajira 316 landed on Hydra Island, the mystery man had taken on Locke's form. I realize now that there didn't have to be a clone of Locke's body in order for this to happen (unlike what I assumed in my Initial Reactions post)... Mystery Man could've just shapeshifted into a Locke lookalike. You know, just like we've seen Smokey do several times before.

[And so it began?] So does that mean Mystery Man is also Smokey? I'm not totally sure, but I'm definitely leaning toward that explanation. Smokey had an encounter with Locke just a few days after Oceanic 815 crashed. At that point in time, it most likely scanned his mind (like we've seen it do with other characters) and came to the conclusion that this was not only a "good" person, but one who was easily manipulated. If Mystery Man is Smokey, he might have hatched his plan of how to use Locke as a pawn in his fight against Jacob right at that moment. Whatever Locke saw that "was beautiful" when he looked at Smokey might have been a fake vision of him triumphantly leading everyone on the Island, or some other similar scene that would convince him that it was his destiny to be there and that he needed to heed whatever signals the Island sent him.

We've watched Smokey take the form of Yemi (Eko's brother) and Alex, and can assume that he's also masqueraded as Christian Shepherd and possibly even Claire. Since we know Yemi's body was badly deteriorated in the drug plane yet Yemi appeared to Eko as Eko remembered him, it's clear that Smokey does not need an actual body to do his shapeshifting. Once Ajira 316 touched down on Hydra, Smokey could've easily noted how Locke looked in his coffin and then assumed his form from that point on.

[Darnit, I just missed Smokey!] In retrospect, the monster's arrival in the underground chamber with Ben in "Dead is Dead" -- perfectly timed with Locke's comings and goings from that same area -- was another hint about what was really going on. I just couldn't bring myself to accept it at the time.

So yes, I've processed the fact that Real Locke as we've come to know him is dead. And as Long Live Locke reader Will P (who spent half the day golfing with Terry O'Quinn two days after the finale aired) sent me this article in which Terry himself voices his belief that Locke is a goner, I'm positive that my favorite character won't be around at the outset of Season Six (Not Locke doesn't count). I don't think he's going to be resurrected, either. But I do think we'll see Real Locke again -- somehow, some way -- over the course of the remaining seventeen hours in the series. More on that later.

For now, we need to finish off the present-day scenes with the showdown at the statue.


I AINT GOT NOBODY
NOBODY CARES FOR ME
NOBODY
NOBODY
CARES FOR ME

[So this is what the inside of a gigantic foot looks like.] After Locke and Ben entered the chamber (the same one in which Jacob was getting his weave on at the beginning of the episode), Ben wandered around the room and took a look at the tapestry before both men were startled by Jacob's voice. Color me just as surprised as Ben was when Jacob peeked out from behind a column, still human in appearance. Since we saw (or thought we saw) Jacob in weird spirit-like forms in the cabin in seasons past, I'd assumed that something had happened to him along the way that turned him into a helpless ghost.

But there he was, standing in front of the fire pit, fully aware that Locke wasn't really Locke at all, but rather his old rival who had finally found a "loophole." The loophole must have been for Mystery Man to either manipulate someone else into killing Jacob, or to specifically get the leader of the Others to do the deed. As Real Locke was dead, Ben was the de facto leader.

[Get to it, Benny boy.] Ben was thoroughly shocked to finally come face to face with the man he'd been been taking orders from throughout the years -- so much so that he almost forgot why he was asked to tag along in the first place... until Not Locke reminded him.

JACOB: Benjamin... whatever he's told you, I want you to understand one thing. You have a choice.
BEN: What "choice"?
JACOB: You can do what he asked, or you can go, leave us to discuss our... issues.
BEN: Oh... so now, after all this time, you've decided to stop ignoring me. Thirty-five years I lived on this island, and all I ever heard was your name over and over. Richard would bring me your instructions--all those slips of paper, all those lists--and I never questioned anything. I did as I was told. But when I dared to ask to see you myself, I was told, "You have to wait. You have to be patient." But when he asked to see you? He gets marched straight up here as if was Moses. So... why him? Hmm? What was it that was so wrong with me? What about me?!?
JACOB: What about you?

[Come again?] Jacob's response to Ben was definitely the "Oh no he didn't!" moment of the night. Talk about the wrong thing to say, huh?

I truly felt for Ben during his speech -- it was yet another brilliant display of Michael Emerson's immense talent. I should be hating his character with the passion of a thousand blazing suns now that I know he is responsible for Locke's death, yet I still pitied him. Ben is completely alone, having lost everything he ever loved to the Island. To come to the realization that he was just a nobody in the whole scheme of things was simply too much for him to bear. And so, he carried out Not Locke's plan by stabbing Jacob in the heart.

I CAN FEEL IT COMING IN THE AIR TONIGHT
OH, LORD
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS MOMENT
ALL MY LIFE
OH, LORD

Any doubt I had about Mystery Man/Not Locke being evil was totally removed once he kicked Jacob into the fire. The look on Not Locke's face while he watched his enemy burn was just chilling -- I almost expected devil horns and a tail to sprout right then and there.

[Mwah-ha-ha-ha-ha]
You'd think that Not Locke would've at least cracked a smile or allowed himself a few seconds of celebration after the moment he'd been waiting hundreds of years for finally came to pass. But Jacob's final words -- "They're coming" -- seemed to disturb him deeply. Most people believe that "they" are the 815ers who Jacob touched in the past, and I agree. Another plausible option is Ilana and her people, even though right now there only appear to be about five of them.

[Straight outta Psycho] Regardless of who "they" are, what exactly is Mystery Man's plan to fend them off, now that Jacob is seemingly dead? I mean, what's his ultimate objective? Is he going to kill everyone because he just wants to live on the Island by himself? Is he going to turn everyone into his own personal slaves? Could he possibly manipulate the Others into thinking that he is truly their leader, now that they've all seen Dead Locke? Was he trying to change or stop the events of a time loop and is still in danger of that not happening? I'm kind of at a loss for what Mystery Man's next move is going to be or what he's trying to achieve overall. But since Widmore warned Real Locke that a war was coming to the Island, I can only assume that killing Jacob isn't the only thing Mystery Man needs to do in order to "win." Whatever this war is about, it's undoubtedly going to be epic in scale -- an event that Mystery Man has been plotting his entire life to bring about.

I'm not completely done talking about the present-day scenes and what they might mean for Season Six, but since the time-traveling 815ers are obviously also critical to how the show will progress, let's review what happened to them in this episode before trying to pull everything together.


I SAID YOU WANNA BE STARTIN' SOMETHIN'?
YOU GOT TO BE STARTIN' SOMETHIN'

[It's basically like Club Med here.] On the submarine, Kate informed Sawyer and Juliet of Jack's plan to nuke the Island. However, Sawyer held firm to his decision to continue on to the "real world"... until Juliet assaulted one of the sub's crewmen and arranged for the trio's escape. And escape they did, right to the beach where Bernard, Rose and Vincent had been enjoying "retirement" for the past three years.

There's a theory that Rose and Bernard are already dead, and that's why they were acting so extremely chilled out. An offshoot of this theory is that the couple somehow knew what was going to happen to Kate, Sawyer and Juliet, which is why Bernard pushed for them (focusing on Ms. Burke) to stay for a cup of tea. (And yes, I did notice Juliet's hand resting on her stomach -- not sure if that's a hint that she was pregnant or just another instance of us Lost fans overanalyzing every move these characters make.)

[SERIOUSLY, woman. Stay for tea.] Others think that the Nadlers are still very much alive, but that we probably won't see them again on the show until it's discovered that they are the Adam and Eve skeletons. I'm not buying this, though, because Jack had said that the skeletons looked to have been there for 40 to 50 years, and even if Rose and Bernard died immediately (perhaps because of The Incident), that would still only leave 30 years before Jack and Kate find their remains in a cave in 2004. Plus, I think we'll see whomever the skeletons belong to alive and with the black and white stones before the series is over. So the debate about Adam and Eve rages on... as does the talk about whether or not we'll ever get to hear any of Rose and Bernard's witticisms again.

If we stop trying to figure out what will become of the dentist and his wife for a second, however, what's left is a scene about two people very much in love, who can't figure out why their fellow survivors keep raising hell all over the Island. Can you blame them for not wanting to get involved?


STOP!
HAMMER TIME

[I mean, the guy worked for Randy. Come on.] Over at (or should I say under?) Dharmaville, Sayid disassembled the bomb according to Faraday's instructions while Richard asked Jack about his old nemesis, Locke.

RICHARD: Over twenty years ago, a man named John Locke, he walked right into our camp. And he told me that he was going to be our leader. Now I've gone off the Island three times, to visit him. But he never seemed particularly special to me.
JACK: You said you had a question.
RICHARD: You know him? Locke?
JACK: Yeah. Yeah, I know him. And if I were you, I wouldn't give up on him.
Now that Locke's fate has been revealed, Richard's words support the idea that the ex-box company employee was never special -- he was simply a pawn in a game between Jacob and the Mystery Man... a gullible loser with delusions of grandeur who was easily manipulated by wilier minds.

[EVEN IF he rolls out of a metal crate, apparently dead, I STILL wouldn't give up on him.] Jack's words, however, provide a glimmer of hope that Locke's life did (or does) mean something important in the grand scheme of things, and that perhaps his story isn't completely over.

After Sayid had the bomb's reactor in hand, the foursome traveled further along the underground tunnels until they reached the area near Horace's house. Richard hammered through the wall... and then knocked Ellie out and announced that the two 815ers were on their own. Two things I wish we had learned from Richard before he left were: 1) how exactly did the Hostiles get the 20-ton Jughead underground in the first place? and 2) why was he OK with letting these yahoos potentially nuke the whole Island? Was he certain that they'd fail, or was he somehow positive that none of his people would be hurt? It doesn't seem like "because Ellie approved of it" is a very strong reason. [Finally, a way to get out all of my aggression.] But then again, Richard followed all of Locke's demands even though he didn't like them, so maybe his "adviser" role prohibits him from disobeying the current leader.

As Richard dragged the unconscious Ellie away (meaning that, despite what he told Sun, he was definitely not around to watch the 815ers "die"), Jack and Sayid stole some Dharma jumpsuits and almost made it through the Barracks undetected. Revenge was sweet for Roger Linus, who didn't give a crap what Sayid was carrying in his backpack... he just wanted his son's attacker dead. (Speaking of Little Ben, since he never returned to Dharmaville before The Incident and we heard Richard say that he wasn't going to have any memory of his shooting, it's possible that Adult Ben never recalled meeting any of the 815ers during his childhood.)

[Yippee!] Roger got Sayid right in the gut, and then Jack had to attempt to lead his injured friend through a hailstorm of bullets. Things looked pretty darn bleak for our compadres until Hurley saved the day once again with his Dharma Van Driving Skillz. Did you catch the quick smile Jack flashed when he saw who had pulled up in the nick of time? It was very cute, I must say.




WHEN A MAN LOVES A WOMAN
CAN'T KEEP HIS MIND ON NOTHING ELSE
HE'LL TRADE THE WORLD
FOR THE GOOD THING HE'S FOUND

[YOU... SHALL NOT... PASS!] The van didn't get too far before it was blocked by the submarine escapees. Jack and Sawyer decided they were going to settle their differences the old fashioned way through a knock-down, drag-out brawl. You already know from my other finale post that I wasn't a fan of the love quadrangle's decision-making processes in this episode. Each of them seemed to have pretty shaky reasoning for doing what they did. The most puzzling was Kate, who had been completely against Jack's plan to erase their pasts... but then when the time came for him to literally drop the bomb, she was all of a sudden OK with it (and she hadn't even heard his true reasons for doing so). If Kate was just going to go along with what Jack wanted to do, why did she leave him in the jungle in the first place? Oh, yeah, because the writers needed a way to get Sawyer and Juliet back on the Island.

[Forget everything I said a few hours ago -- blow this place up!] Before you accuse me of being a cold-hearted, unsentimental fool who can't comprehend the power of love, let me assure you that I have absolutely no issue with Jack realizing that he wanted a second chance with Kate. And I get how Juliet must have felt when she realized that she just wasn't meant to be with Sawyer... just like I get how Sawyer wasn't going to fight with his woman once it was clear she'd made up her mind about letting Jack follow through with his plans. My issue isn't with their feelings, it's with when and how the writers chose to have these characters express their feelings -- namely, in ways that could potentially destroy the lives of hundreds of other people.

In "Follow the Leader" -- which took place just hours before "The Incident" -- Jack basically told Kate that the vast majority of the past three years had been "misery." During that conversation in Ellie's tent, he had a chance to admit he screwed up their relationship and that he didn't want to lose her forever; she was practically begging him to tell her that their time together hadn't been a waste. But instead he let her believe that he was OK with erasing their memories of each other. [I got this, no worries.] Yet shortly thereafter he goes and tells Sawyer (not Kate) that he's following Faraday's instructions in the hopes of getting another try with Kate, and then proceeds to do something that he knows will probably kill everyone remaining on the Island. Whatever happened to "Do no harm"?

Anyway, I'm not going to moan on and on about how I didn't like everyone's flip-flopping, because the only thing that matters is that in the end, they were all on the same page. They wanted Jughead to have its way with them and were willing to suffer the consequences of whatever transpired as a result -- be that death, erasing three years of their lives, or something else.

OH NOW FEEL IT COMIN' BACK AGAIN
LIKE A ROLLIN' THUNDER CHASING THE WIND
FORCES PULLIN' FROM THE CENTER OF EARTH AGAIN
I CAN FEEL IT

Before Jack could do his thing, however, Radzinsky was wreaking some havoc of his own down in the Swan's construction pit. The guy really is mental, isn't he? Even if he truly believed that his work was going to "change the world," what's the harm in taking a few deep breaths and listening to Chang's warnings? [Is it wrong that I wish his death was even more gruesome?] But nooooo, Radzinsky was all "drill, baby, drill!" and sure enough, the electromagnetic pocket was pierced.

I don't know exactly what I was expecting The Incident to look like, but I was impressed with what I saw... it was similar to what happened when Locke destroyed the Countdown Timer o' Doom in the hatch... times ten million. Jeeps were dragged across the ground, towers crumbled, tools and weapons flew through the air -- it was mass chaos. And of course, Phil did not survive. Which death by arrow was better -- his or Frogurt's?

We also saw Chang's hand get smashed in the collapsing machinery, just like we expected it would (as he had a prosthetic arm in some of the orientation videos). Luckily, Miles was there to save dear ol' dad from a much worse fate -- I thought that was a nice touch.

[Don't hold your breath, Kate.] During the commotion, Jack successfully threw Jughead's core down into the shaft. Sayid had supposedly rigged it to detonate upon impact... but nothing happened. Nada. Zip. Zilch. I absolutely loved the insanely tense few seconds where everyone braced for an explosion... and then when it became clear that the plan had failed, Sawyer quipped, "This don't look like LAX."

However, bomb or no bomb, the magnetic force was still sweeping anything and everything metal into the crater, and Juliet found herself entangled in a huge chain. [This isn't good.] As soon as I saw that, I almost couldn't bear to keep watching the television screen. I knew that she would be dragged into the pit, I knew that Sawyer would grab hold and try to pull her back up, I knew that Kate would tried her damnedest to help, and I knew that it would be all for naught. Awful, awful, awful. But at the same time, this really was a wonderfully touching scene, and both Elizabeth Mitchell and Josh Holloway brought it. I couldn't reach for the Kleenex fast enough, that's for sure. Remember back in "This Place is Death" when I was so crushed by how Sawyer frantically started digging at the spot where Locke had disappeared down the well? This was like that... times twenty million.

[You'll always be a hero to me, Juliet!]
[There are no words.]


SUPPOSE I NEVER EVER MET YOU?
SUPPOSE WE NEVER FELL IN LOVE?

[The tears continue to flow.] When Juliet explained to Sawyer why she wanted Jack to go through with Faraday's plan, she said, "If I never meet you, then I never have to lose you." Well, lo and behold, in the final scene of the season, we got to see that Juliet was not kidding around. Above ground, Kate and Jack were tearing a grief-stricken Sawyer away from gaping hole that was still sucking in dangerous chunks of metal, while down, down, down at the very bottom of the pit, Juliet suddenly regained consciousness. We're never going to get an explanation for this, so I'm going with "the Island wanted her to detonate the bomb." Because let's face it, it's highly unlikely she would have otherwise survived that fall if the Island didn't have a purpose for her once she reached the bottom.

[She bangs, she bangs!] Whether or not the Island intervened, if Juliet wasn't convinced that Jack's plan was going to work, I don't think she would've started banging on the detonator. Why? Because even though she probably realized she was a goner, she wouldn't have wanted to chance anyone else getting blown to smithereens. So she would've only tried to make the bomb explode if she truly believed that it would erase the past three years and give everyone a second chance -- even if she still died in the process.

Therefore, she grabbed a rock and went to town on Jughead's core in the hopes of giving her man and his fellow survivors a "do-over" beginning in 2004. After eight tries, an explosion was heard as the screen faded to the first-ever white end title screen. And then... we all realized that we hadn't exhaled for the past few minutes.

First things first -- is there any way that Juliet could've survived the blast if it did not work like Faraday assumed it would (meaning that the past three years did not reset)? [That one did it.] I sincerely hope so, but when I watched the episode again I noticed that her lower half appeared to be crushed underneath a ton of metal and she definitely seemed to be in a pretty bad state. What makes this all so much worse is that none of the other characters will ever know about her brave act. So here's to hoping that something in the timeline does change and we get to see a happy, healthy Juliet again at some point in Season Six.

One last comment before I attempt to start throwing out some grand, all-encompassing theories: The bomb did detonate. There was some debate about this early on, but I replayed the end and you can definitely hear an explosion. What's less clear is what effect the bomb will have on the 815ers, the Island and the overall timeline. So without further ado, allow me to try and figure out how what we learned in the last two hours of Season Five might shape Lost's final (sniff) seventeen episodes.


OO-HOO... THE TIME IS GETTING CLOSER
OO-HOO... TIME TO BE A GHOST

[Just another dead dude.] You know all those times we thought we caught glimpses of Jacob in the cabin -- an eye here, an old dude in a rocking chair there? The joke was on us; I don't think that was Jacob at all. Ilana believed her leader hadn't been in the cabin for "some time"... and I have a hunch that "some time" is probably more than three years. Maybe Jacob did putter around in the rickety shack at one point, but he'd probably returned to the statue before 2004 rolled around. Therefore, I'm betting that Mystery Man was behind all of the weirdness that Ben, Locke and Hurley witnessed in the cabin on different occasions.

My guess is that something caused Mystery Man to lose his human form quite a while ago. He dissolved into a bizarre spirit-y state and was held captive (by Jacob or Jacob's people) in the cabin thanks to a magical circle of ash. Somewhere along the line, the circle was broken -- either intentionally or on accident.

Now, if you believe that Mystery Man has also been taking the form of Smokey, then you're probably on board with my theory that the circle of ash must have already been broken by the time Locke and Ben went to find what they thought was Jacob in "The Man Behind the Curtain." How else could this spirit be simultaneously trapped in the cabin AND terrorizing the 815ers as Smokey and various apparitions out in the jungle? In fact, it looks like you can see a break in the line (near the bottom) in this still from "TMBTC" (although we can't be totally sure):

[Do my eyes deceive me, or is there a break in the ash just above the bottom-center of this screencap?]
If it wasn't Mystery Man's spirit in the cabin, or if it was him but he wasn't able to get out because there wasn't a break in the ash by the time 815 crashed, then I remain totally confused about everything having to do with what we've seen go down in the cabin, and would also be less confident about Mystery Man doubling as Smokey. So let's just assume that the ring of ash had been broken by September 2004.

[It's all starting to make sense...] Then what we'd have is the essence of Mystery Man running all around the Island, being able to take the form of any corpse he came across. That may be the reason the Others chose to cremate their dead out at sea (remember how Jack witnessed this at Colleen's funeral in "The Cost of Living" when everyone was all dressed in white?) -- they'd started seeing their loved ones reappear and realized it wasn't a good idea to bury anyone on the Island.

So back to the cabin... when Locke was able to hear "Jacob" and Ben wasn't, it was really all part of the elaborate ruse that Mystery Man had been working on for quite some time. He needed Locke to feel special... and he needed Ben to be insanely jealous.

[And Jack thought having ONE of me around was bad...] As for being able to shapeshift into others, however, I don't think that was solely the realm of Mystery Man. I think both Jacob and his adversary could transform themselves into anyone who had died, and that's why we've been so perplexed about the conflicting messages that all of the Island apparitions have been sending. In a post I wrote right before Season Five began, I said, "...it seems as though there are two forces, communicating through a bunch of ghosts, that are fighting about where and with whom Aaron should reside, and it's damn confusing." Along these same lines, my man Ryan over at Zap2It's Guide to Lost noticed something about Zombie Dad's appearances: sometimes he wore a blue suit, and at other points he was dressed down in brown. You can read Ryan's theory about what that might signify here, while I'm going to be so bold as to suggest that "Suit Christian" was Jacob and "Cabin Christian" was Mystery Man all along. (And for the record, I officially feel sheepish now for proclaiming during our live chat that there's no way anything as subtle as Zombie Dad's change of clothes would ever have significant meaning on the show.)


ROUND AND ROUND
ROUND WE GO

[Game on, bro.] So let's run with the assumption that both Jacob and his rival have the ability to morph into other forms. And next let's ask, "Why would they want or need to do that?" I believe the answer lies in this exchange they had during the opening scene:

MYSTERY MAN: ... It always ends the same.
JACOB: It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.

I'm interpreting this bit of dialogue to mean that there is indeed a time loop -- that these two supernatural beings have seen some span of time play out over and over and over again. Mystery Man is annoyed because Jacob keeps holding out hope that either a) humankind isn't going to destroy the planet when it's all said and done or b) a specific, shorter period of time that keeps looping will one day have a better outcome. I'm not sure if it really matters how long the loop is; I think the most important thing is that the Lostaways are clearly critical -- in Jacob's mind -- to changing things for the better. [Hold up, McDreamy -- er, wrong hospital.] As he's seen the entire span of time, he knew exactly when it might help for him to pop into certain characters' lives and subtly influence their decision-making. He didn't lead them to be on Oceanic 815... he visited them because he already knew that they were on Oceanic 815 -- it's another chicken/egg situation.

But Jacob must not have liked the original outcome of events. Or perhaps he was certain that the "original" outcome of events was tainted because Mystery Man had manipulated certain people, and that's why he had to step in and try to provide a counterbalance. The result was Jacob and his adversary both trying their hardest to make the ultimate "ending" support their personal beliefs about mankind. They want to prove each other wrong, but the ultimate winner will be decided by the Lostaways' actions.

Which leads right back to the Whatever Happened, Happened debate.


BELIEVE
BELIEVE THAT LIFE CAN CHANGE
THAT YOU'RE NOT STUCK IN VAIN

[And now he's touched Ben, too...] Mystery Man finds his loophole in the form of Dead Locke and manipulates Ben into killing Jacob, but at the exact same time thirty years prior, Juliet detonates Jughead. So did all of this already happen, or did Ms. Burke blast the whole crew into a new timeline?

Something tells me that the events of 1977 didn't change anything at all. Miles had it right -- setting off the bomb was The Incident. The Swan is still going to be built over that spot. Flight 815 is still going to crash. And Juliet's actions will most likely send her time-traveling friends back to the present day, which is something that also probably happened in that exact same manner countless times before. The past three years will remain intact for everybody.

BUT that doesn't mean all hope is lost for our beloved characters as they (probably) careen back to the future only to end up in the middle of the Island battle to end all battles. Like I stated earlier, Not Locke sure seemed concerned when Jacob said "They're coming." This leads me to believe that the benevolent loom-master anticipated his own murder and prepared a "Plan B" of sorts as a last-ditch effort to defeat his century-old adversary, and I'm pretty sure that part of that plan involved him making physical contact with all of the time-traveling 815ers.

[I'm not going out that easily...] Perhaps the magical powers of the Island will transfer over to them now that Jacob has died. Perhaps they'll be safe from whatever nonsense Mystery Man tries to pull next. I really have no easily explainable ideas for what Jacob might have planned for our Lostaways, but my gut tells me that he was a smart fellow and had no intention of going down without a fight. The fact that he pretty much just stood there when Ben stabbed him supports my belief that he knew this scenario had to play out. Think about it this way -- what if the part of the time loop Jacob wanted to change is something that hasn't happened yet -- something after 2007? What if it's something that's left up to the 815ers to handle next season?

The theory above is part of the reason why I believe that we haven't necessarily seen the end of dear old Locke; I can't accept that Jacob saved him after his paralyzing fall only to set him up as a pawn for the enemy with no further purpose. (And -- I swear to you -- I would feel the same way if any of the other major characters had rolled out of the crate.) We now have several months to think through the possible ways the last seventeen hours of the show could play out, but there's one thing that won't be happening over the hiatus: a name change for my blog!


BEST LINES OF THE EPISODE

RICHARD: Ben told me that he strangled you.
LOCKE: That is my recollection, yes.


ROSE [upon seeing Kate, Juliet and Sawyer on the beach]: Oh, hell no.



[I also like pina coladas and gettin' caught in the rain.] [Locke walks over to Ben, sitting on the beach.]
LOCKE: Everything alright?
BEN: I was enjoying some alone time.




LOCKE: Do you mind if I ask you a question?
BEN: I'm a Pisces.
[e: Ben's birthday is widely believed to be December 19, meaning that this is yet another lie and he's actually a Sagittarius.]



MILES: Jack! So this bomb is supposed to what, blow us back in time?
JACK: We're not going back in time.
MILES: Right, because that would be ridiculous! [Fruit roll-ups = best food invention ever?]



JAIL CLERK [discharging Hurley]: One wallet. $227 cash. One ballpoint pen. One fruit roll-up. Sign here.



JACK [as he passes by Juliet and Sawyer on his way to the Swan site with the bomb]: See you in Los Angeles.


[...unless they now have an open-air terminal with A LOT of construction going on...]

SAWYER [after the bomb failed to detonate]: This don't look like LAX.


SUN: Do you have any alcohol?
RICHARD: [Chuckles] No. Sure wish I did.

stinkbutt
06-24-2009, 07:55 PM
I'm really late to the party but my buddy just lent me the first season. I'm 3 episodes in and hooked, this is very good especially for network tv

fikus222
06-24-2009, 08:04 PM
I'm really late to the party but my buddy just lent me the first season. I'm 3 episodes in and hooked, this is very good especially for network tv

Nice!!! Lost certainly doesn't disappoint, especially when you have a whole gaggle of episodes on DVD to watch one after another.

apostle2
06-24-2009, 10:49 PM
I'm really late to the party but my buddy just lent me the first season. I'm 3 episodes in and hooked, this is very good especially for network tv

Goodbye summer.

fikus222
06-24-2009, 11:50 PM
The following three writers from Lost will be at Bumbershoot; Carlton Cuse, Eddy Kitsis and Adam Horowitz. :)

tessalasset
06-25-2009, 08:34 AM
Comedy Tent?

JClemy
06-25-2009, 09:26 AM
The following three writers from Lost will be at Bumbershoot; Carlton Cuse, Eddy Kitsis and Adam Horowitz. :)

And they will taunt you with spoilers! That's their whole act. taunting.

chairmenmeow47
06-25-2009, 09:31 AM
sweet, just noticed j$$'s post & now i'll have something to read on the plane tomorrow :)

BeHereNOW
07-01-2009, 08:42 AM
*it was said the guitar case Hurly is carring has something to do with a special app of pete doherty on next season*

tessalasset
07-01-2009, 12:01 PM
claire is filming a movie with Robert Pattinson from Twilight right now and every day the tabloids have new pics of them making out in scenes. i just watched a video of them walking back to their trailers. emilie was just walking by herself with an assistant. robert was surrounded by 10 huge men working as a human shield.

chairmenmeow47
07-09-2009, 01:24 PM
i watched the "get in the house" episode last night and laughed my ass off at pink shirt guy just as much as before. fucking hilarious.

it's so interesting to watch season 4 again after watching season 5.

tessalasset
07-09-2009, 11:41 PM
remember that lost panel i went to a few months back? they're releasing it on dvd if anyone's interested.

https://www.createspace.com/266660

this is where they admit to being done with Walt.

stinkbutt
07-24-2009, 12:25 PM
Can someone please help me out and put up a link where I can stream season 5? I can only seem to find the last half of the season or just a bunch of crap.

Blinken
07-24-2009, 12:28 PM
Try the forums on www.quicksilverscreen.com they have streaming links for pretty much everything, although sometimes they are dead links.

chairmenmeow47
07-24-2009, 12:53 PM
i've been doing a lot of re-watching lately. i just finished season 2.

what was interesting is there is a scene with ana lucia and she had found a US army knife that was at least 20 years old. seemed pretty pointeless back then, but glad to see they had the formation of their plan that far back.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/U.S._Army_knife

also, i watched the season 2 extras. in one of them (can't remember which), there's this hilarious interview with the actor who plays mr. eko where he keeps pointing out scenes where the writers took HIS ideas, lol. he also details how he changed the direction of the character from simply a passive priest. the short interview was very arrogant and hilarious if you ask me.

stinkbutt
07-24-2009, 12:56 PM
Mr. Echo was my favorite character. I was so pissed when they killed him off but kept Charlie and a bunch of other stupid characters around

chairmenmeow47
07-24-2009, 01:05 PM
he wanted to go though, so be pissed at the actor.

Young blood
07-24-2009, 01:18 PM
comic con LOST panel tomorrow.

Sushov23
07-24-2009, 03:16 PM
Mr. Echo was my favorite character. I was so pissed when they killed him off but kept Charlie and a bunch of other stupid characters around

The actor that plays Charile(Dominic I believe), was at Elbow wed. night. He was so into the show, he even cried(or it seemed that way). He sat in the MEZZ.

matsuolost
07-24-2009, 03:24 PM
i've been doing a lot of re-watching lately. i just finished season 2.

what was interesting is there is a scene with ana lucia and she had found a US army knife that was at least 20 years old. seemed pretty pointeless back then, but glad to see they had the formation of their plan that far back.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/U.S._Army_knife

also, i watched the season 2 extras. in one of them (can't remember which), there's this hilarious interview with the actor who plays mr. eko where he keeps pointing out scenes where the writers took HIS ideas, lol. he also details how he changed the direction of the character from simply a passive priest. the short interview was very arrogant and hilarious if you ask me.

they really did plan ahead so much in certain things

there's a moment in the early episodes of season one where michael goes: "time doesnt matter, cause we're on a goddamn island!"

tessalasset
07-25-2009, 12:48 AM
The actor that plays Charile(Dominic I believe), was at Elbow wed. night. He was so into the show, he even cried(or it seemed that way). He sat in the MEZZ.

awwwwww that rules, i was there.

Cancersticks1
07-25-2009, 07:16 AM
I just saw the episode of "Ace of Cakes" where they make a Lost cake for the shows 100th episode. Pretty hilarious.

apostle2
07-25-2009, 12:19 PM
Cuse and Lindelof just held the Comic Con panel and brought out Hurley, Ben, Richard Alpert, Sawyer, and Charlie at the very end...

tessalasset
07-25-2009, 01:03 PM
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!

tessalasset
07-25-2009, 01:04 PM
dude have ben and alpert EVER been at a panel?

apostle2
07-25-2009, 01:35 PM
I don't think so. and alpert got introduced with a video of him backstage bitching that they didn't have his color of eyeliner....haha

benhur
07-25-2009, 02:06 PM
why would charlie still be there?

apostle2
07-25-2009, 02:25 PM
dominic was there to promote Flashforward, and they brought him out to the lost panel after doing an oscars style "in memoriam" video to all the characters that have died on the show. fyi, faraday was in it, juliet was not

tessalasset
07-25-2009, 02:36 PM
oooooooooh interesting.

tessalasset
07-25-2009, 02:48 PM
KEl465XJGOg

OnlyNonStranger
07-25-2009, 02:53 PM
Plymouth Air?

apostle2
07-25-2009, 02:55 PM
yeah, that's actually a really well done fake. the plane crash is from a nicolas cage movie, apparently

tessalasset
07-25-2009, 04:58 PM
oh damnit. from that movie know1ng? i was all excited for a second... NEW PLANE CRASH! lost has taught me to love plane crashes.

atom heart
07-26-2009, 06:13 PM
Mysteries of the Universe - Dharma Initiative part 1 (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=lostmysteries&v2)

matsuolost
07-26-2009, 06:31 PM
what's more interesting to me is the new banner showing boone and shannon (!)
http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/07/lost-san-diego-comic-con-09-panel.html

atom heart
07-26-2009, 07:10 PM
Must... refrain... must not read darkufo... must remain... spoiler free!

tessalasset
07-27-2009, 06:35 PM
from reuters: (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/090727/entertainment/centertainment_us_lost)


Sun Jul 26, 9:25 PM

By James Hibberd

SAN DIEGO (Hollywood Reporter) - The characters Juliet Burke (Elizabeth Mitchell) and Daniel Faraday (Jeremy Davies) will be back on ABC's "Lost" next year, along with several other characters who haven't been seen since the first season, producers said over the weekend during a panel presentation at the Comic-Con convention.

The revelation confirms reports that suggested a "Lost" reunion of sorts for the final season. In May's finale, the castaways detonated a bomb on the mysterious island in hopes of resetting the last several years of their lives.

The news was among a scant few tidbits dropped during a well-produced hour in San Diego that featured several new mock ads and parody shorts, but no new video from the final season.

"There's a good chance you'll be seeing many characters you haven't seen since the first season again," said executive producer Damon Lindelof.

The final season, producers said, will in some ways resemble the first.

"(In the first season, the characters) were running around the jungle, things felt intense and surprising and (there was) the emotional discovery about the characters," said executive producer Carlton Cuse. "We have a way that we're going to be able to do that in the final season too."

Yet fans shouldn't think that any sort of narrative reboot will invalidate everything that's already happened, "because that would be a real big cheat," said Jorge Garcia, who plays Hugo on the show.

"Just trust us," reassured Cuse.

The show will also employ a new narrative device that's unique to the final season.

"The time-travel season is over, the flash-forward season is over," Lindelof said. "We're going to do something different."

As for lingering mysteries about the show's story, "everything that matters we're gonna answer," assured Lindelof.

Fans camped overnight to see the "Lost" panel at Comic-Con, which occupied the pop-culture convention's largest ballroom, usually reserved for presentations on major summer movies.

Other news from the panel:

* The matter of the mysterious Dharma food drops will be solved ... but there won't be much about the Dharma Initiative in the final season.

* Asked if the mysterious Jacob has ever appeared as any other character in the series, Lindelof said "no."

Blinken
07-27-2009, 06:40 PM
OH SWEET JESUS :D
I can't wait til next year, I want to pull a Cartman and freeze myself for a few months.

I am so happy the food drops will be explained, I really thought I was the only one bugged by that.

matsuolost
07-27-2009, 06:42 PM
i just want a picture of the banner come on
also anyone seen the ads from comic con on youtube?
really confirm that theyre going with the alt timeline

Blinken
07-27-2009, 06:45 PM
I guess I can't embed the image here is a link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_n3eH1jI8AZ8/Sm0OXlXXL3I/AAAAAAAAQNg/hZjT6eA3rd4/s1600-h/LostS6.jpg

Here is a less detailed one but you can see the full banner.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/Sm2V792cRoI/AAAAAAAAvhI/0Hzl-5t4vx4/s1600-h/3758986878_a74b66c890_o-1.jpg

Edit: Never mind I see what you mean, you want an offical one. My Bad.

tessalasset
07-27-2009, 11:05 PM
holy s.

fikus222
07-28-2009, 02:21 AM
from reuters:

I would be worried if this was any other show, but since we are talking about Lost, I'm sure they will be able to pull it off...hopefully.

OnlyNonStranger
07-28-2009, 09:00 AM
Yay, Charlie will be alive and a drug addict again!

Sonicifyouwantit
07-28-2009, 12:18 PM
The actor that plays Charile(Dominic I believe), was at Elbow wed. night. He was so into the show, he even cried(or it seemed that way). He sat in the MEZZ.

I ran into him at the Hollywood Bowl for Sigur Ros a few years back...also at the Fonda Theatre, although I can't remember the band that was playing Fonda that night.

JClemy
07-28-2009, 06:33 PM
I really can't wait for this show to start up again!

tessalasset
07-28-2009, 06:41 PM
you're gonna have to!

bartelby
07-28-2009, 09:15 PM
in some ways, i'm a little disappointed that they are returning to the Season 1 style as I was kind of hoping for a final season based around Jacob/Other dude (although that's not necessarily out of the question).....

the fact that they are committing to answer all of 'the important questions' is pretty admirable though.....thank god we won't end up with a Journey-themed ending a-la Sopranos

chairmenmeow47
07-28-2009, 09:25 PM
the lost season 3 extras are REALLY annoying to access and i've only "unlocked" four of the six tvs. damnit.

matsuolost
07-28-2009, 09:34 PM
in some ways, i'm a little disappointed that they are returning to the Season 1 style as I was kind of hoping for a final season based around Jacob/Other dude (although that's not necessarily out of the question).....

the fact that they are committing to answer all of 'the important questions' is pretty admirable though.....thank god we won't end up with a Journey-themed ending a-la Sopranos

what questions did the sopranos leave unresolved? did you really want to know what happened to the russian guy?
the sopranos ended with the perfect ending. tony's cycle had come to an end. he will never change, was too comfortable with his life, etc. and the ending delivered. what the hell did people expect from david chase? closure? satisfaction? a moral?

it would be amazing if lost pulls anything close to it

wmgaretjax
07-28-2009, 09:44 PM
Locke was in 7X12 of Star Trek: TNG.

fikus222
09-08-2009, 12:50 PM
I saw Carlton Cuse, Eddy Kitsis and Adam Horowitz speak at Bumbershoot and man it was awesome!!! Eddy is fricking hilarious :D

They started off by playing a really poorly done quick recap clip with a Muse song in it, then spoke for awhile about the art of writing for LOST, then they played clips that were special to each of them, then answered some inane questions from the moderator (ie why isnt there more sex?) and finished by answering questions from the crowd (most of which were good, but there was of course some really stupid ones).

Adam's special clip came from Season 5's episode the Lie, where Hurley is telling his Mom what really happened to him and the others. Adam felt it was special because it was supposed to be a funny scene but ended up being really emotional, and is actually the longest LOST monologue thus far.

Eddy's clip was when Charlie and Hurley are in the VW Bus hurtling down the hill to get the engine to start. Eddy liked it because it gave a sense of hope to an era when we know Charlie is to die and he alos liked it because he chose the music, which he does quite often.

Carlton's clip came from Season 1 when the Losties launch the raft. He liked it because of how the scene was so emotional with little writing on his and the team's part and because of how well the score works with the scene as well. He also said that Vincent swimming out after Walt was something that the director put in on his own.

Possible Spoilers below:



























They played two clips that have only been aired once before (at Comicon). The first was Hurley in a Mr. Cluck's commercial and the second was an Oceanic Airlines commercial.

Some answers:

Libby will not be returning (the actress did not want to)
Cindy will be returning (Oceanic stewardess).
Charlie will be returning.

As of right now that's all that I can remember. If I think of anything else I'll add it :)

chairmenmeow47
09-08-2009, 12:53 PM
what other purpose could libby possibly serve? that makes sense.

tessalasset
09-08-2009, 01:01 PM
eddy seemed kind of cocky to me. by the end of my panel i liked adam more just cause he seemed like a nicer guy.

malcolmjamalawesome
09-08-2009, 01:03 PM
what other purpose could libby possibly serve? that makes sense.

Perhaps something titty-related.

malcolmjamalawesome
09-08-2009, 01:03 PM
what other purpose could libby possibly serve? that makes sense.

Alternatively:

I've got a fucking purpose for her. Hiyooooooooo!

fikus222
09-08-2009, 01:33 PM
what other purpose could libby possibly serve? that makes sense.

Well, Hurley is one of my favorite characters and I just want him to be happy ;) They said that we should just assume that her husband's death was really upsetting to her, which was why she was in the mental ward with Hurley.

Oh yeah, as of right now they have written 3 full episodes and are in their 3rd week of filming.

Carlton also said that they already know what the final scene will be/look like.

chairmenmeow47
09-08-2009, 01:35 PM
if anyone spoils the finale of this show for me, i will literally kill them. no hesitation, just send them straight to "visiting hurley all the time" town.

fikus222
09-08-2009, 01:39 PM
Eddie did a really good job of fielding the stupid questions with funny banter. Adam was cool too, he's just got a little darker of a personality, which is perfectly alright and quite fitting for LOST. Carlton did a great job of providing expansive answers that really illuminated some of the issues underlying the questions that were asked of the panel.

fikus222
09-08-2009, 01:41 PM
if anyone spoils the finale of this show for me, i will literally kill them. no hesitation, just send them straight to "visiting hurley all the time" town.

QFT

shakermaker113
09-08-2009, 06:05 PM
Oh yeah, as of right now they have written 3 full episodes and are in their 3rd week of filming.

3? they've only written 3? god, I was hoping they'd be done by now.

apostle2
09-08-2009, 06:29 PM
I'm not ready to talk about next season. I haven't even STARTED my rewatch yet...

bliss209
10-07-2009, 11:35 AM
if anyone spoils the finale of this show for me, i will literally kill them. no hesitation, just send them straight to "visiting hurley all the time" town.

yup yup!

locachica73
10-07-2009, 11:38 AM
I need to go back and watch the last episode of last season still. In fact I may have to re-watch the last few episodes. I am completely LOST right now as to what happened towards the end.

Courtney
10-24-2009, 11:45 PM
Daniel Dae Kim is sitting at the table next to me right now at dinner. Yes, I went into the bathroom to post this with my phone, which makes me the biggest Lost dork ever. But I thought it was a better option than pointing and squealing to his face.

captncrzy
10-25-2009, 12:27 AM
Courtney, I KNOW you have a camera on that phone.

tessalasset
10-25-2009, 12:35 PM
AWESOME!!!

fikus222
10-25-2009, 01:50 PM
So very cool :)

atom heart
10-29-2009, 07:18 AM
LOST is going to be interrupted this year by the Winter Olympics. I'm all for bobsledding and curling but I was really hoping for a straight shot to the end!

SDsoldier7
10-29-2009, 07:59 AM
^
Hell NO!


Im lost without LOST.

locachica73
10-29-2009, 02:04 PM
I went online to see when they would start showing new episodes of my favorite show and it says the LAST season of Lost starts early 2010... I had no clue it was the last season... I am a little sad. :(

sportsbunny
11-08-2009, 09:44 PM
just "a little"? I'm already depressed and it's not even over yet.

tessalasset
11-08-2009, 10:12 PM
yep. very last season. while i'm super psyched to finally get everything explained, it's gonna be weird. LOST was the first television show to ever hit me as hard as it did. before that i didn't really give a crap what was on when, but all of a sudden i was investing myself in something and hypothesized and dreamed about it. the past four years of my life have been spent with LOST in mind. it's going to be so weird when it's over.

tessalasset
11-08-2009, 10:12 PM
also if we could deal with the writers' strike, we should have no problem with the winter olympics.

stinkbutt
11-08-2009, 10:13 PM
I knew that before I started watching it was actually one of the only things to get me to watch it. I hate stories that drag on longer than necessary

shakermaker113
11-08-2009, 10:18 PM
better end it on a high note than draw it out until nobody cares. (*cough* x-files *cough*)

tessalasset
11-09-2009, 03:07 AM
yeah seriously. i'm so glad carlton and damon are sci-fi fans and know that shit can't be dragged on. they were determined not to make it x-files part deux. so while we only get six seasons, we get six phenomenal seasons. totally worth it.

locachica73
11-09-2009, 07:14 AM
Flash Forward has drawn my attention as well. Not as much as LOST but fairly close. It's another one of those head scratchers.

atom heart
11-30-2009, 07:46 AM
C56Lgl6DorM

This spanish language promo is way more badass than the american one.
Chess+Pan's Labyrinth guy voice-over+Everything in its Right Place = awesome

tessalasset
12-01-2009, 03:04 PM
damn. what's the american one? that one ruled.

shakermaker113
12-01-2009, 09:39 PM
so the last season is going to be a live action chess game?

cansei de ser sexme
12-01-2009, 09:45 PM
I just finished watching all of the seasons straight through because I had never seen them before. I started over the summer and rented them through netflix. Pretty cool. excited for next season.

There is this kid in my class with connects that went to go watch the filming of a couple of shows last season and got signatures from the cast. He said Evangeline lilly is a bitch, but that is what I would expect. She is probably my least favorite character in the show.

tessalasset
12-01-2009, 10:26 PM
she was nice to me when i was on the set. i rode over in a van with her from the parking lot to the set.

tessalasset
12-01-2009, 10:26 PM
ps welcome to the fold! :)

cansei de ser sexme
12-01-2009, 10:29 PM
When I was at coachella I sat across the table from someone who said they worked on the set of lost while I was eating in the food court by the outdoor theater. I didnt really care because I had never seen the show.

tessalasset
12-01-2009, 10:36 PM
A lighting guy at the venue I used to work at had a LOST crew shirt on one day and I flipped out. He worked on the set for like three years and I had no idea. I wish I could have picked his brain but I had to go back to work.

cansei de ser sexme
12-01-2009, 11:05 PM
I am matthew fox.

Abe Lincoln
12-03-2009, 01:14 AM
I'm in it this season when they time travel back to the Civil War.

Blinken
12-08-2009, 12:05 PM
Amazon.com has a special right now all 5 seasons on blu ray for $111 it is under their gold box special. The regular dvd set is around $80 it works out to 70% off for either one.

atom heart
12-15-2009, 05:30 AM
NsdppO-DF04

American Promo.
See? Not as cool.

Leeartlee
12-15-2009, 07:59 AM
Has anyone else checked out the easter eggs on Season 5 yet? In particular there is a white board mock up that "clarifies" I couple I questions about the final scene.

Leeartlee
01-06-2010, 11:40 AM
I bitter sweet interview (http://www.thrfeed.com/2010/01/lost-final-season-interview-.html#126273030383630&bestbuy1:309:212) with the creators.

chairmenmeow47
01-06-2010, 12:12 PM
thanks for posting :) i'm starting to get all mushy thinking about the end!

paulthomasanderson
01-06-2010, 12:13 PM
http://tv.yahoo.com/blog/found-lost-petition-for-disney-attraction--894

locachica73
01-06-2010, 12:26 PM
I can't wait for the season to start and the questions to be answered but at the same time I don't want it to start or the questions to be answered. I feel so torn.

captncrzy
01-06-2010, 01:05 PM
Oh, man. I can't wait.

Leeartlee
01-06-2010, 01:21 PM
As my friend and I have discussed, the entirety of the show rest on how they end it. It's a lot to live up to.

locachica73
01-06-2010, 01:28 PM
I don't really remember much from last season other than the island moving and all the time jumping, I don't know if I lost interest somewhere or what, but now that this is the final season my sister and I are planning a marathon to get through last season before the new one starts. We only have a month left though, ugh, where does time go.

chairmenmeow47
01-06-2010, 01:33 PM
so it's going to be on tuesdays now? interesting.

and my old roommate offered up his giant tv for me and my girlfriend to watch lost on and we're shameless so i think i'm going to do that.

locachica73
01-06-2010, 01:39 PM
yeah my sister has a great big plasma tv so I will be watching it over there as often as possible. At least till she moves back to Oregon. :(

captncrzy
01-06-2010, 01:40 PM
I need to make sure we have the HD cables hooked up before it starts.

Leeartlee
01-06-2010, 01:46 PM
Lost... how I will miss thee.

I bought all of seasons 1-5 on blu ray over the holidays. Damn does that island look awesome in 1080p.

shakermaker113
01-06-2010, 05:56 PM
when does it start again?

J~$$$$
01-06-2010, 06:22 PM
nobama.

ABC insiders may soon want to tell President Obama to get "Lost."

The White House is finalizing plans for this year's State of the Union address and is said to be mulling two dates for the speech, according to a person familiar with the matter: Jan. 26 and Feb. 2.

So what's wrong with that? Well, Jan. 26 would mean an interruption of "American Idol" -- though Fox likely planned for that (or would simply tell the White House to take a hike, as it has before).

But Feb. 2? Other than the fact that it's a holiday (Groundhog's Day/TV MoJoe's birthday), that's the date ABC months ago staked out for the premiere of the final season of "Lost."

Yeah, right. We know.

The White House has already royally peeved the broadcast networks by scheduling so many primetime news conferences and speeches during President Obama's first year in office.

But forcing ABC to move "Lost"? Such a move could make the Tea Party protesters look lie flies.

It could make the wrath of Rush and Drudge look pathetic.

Plus, it would be really bad Dharma. (Sorry, couldn't resist).

The good news, according to sources, is that the White House hasn't decided to press the button on the Feb. 2 idea. No doubt ABC has made its displeasure with the date very clear.

After all, it's not like the network hasn't been airing promos for the Feb. 2 date every three seconds since November.

"Lost" fans may already be mobilizing to halt this madness. Particularly since logic would suggest ABC would be forced to move back the "Lost" premiere until Feb. 9 -- forcing fans to wait another week for answers.

One Twitter fan (and apparent "Lost" lover) has already started a hashtag urging #NoStateofUnionFeb2.

shakermaker113
01-06-2010, 07:12 PM
uh. how lame are we?

cansei de ser sexme
01-06-2010, 08:51 PM
i got the season 5 special edition bluray package for christmas. Got the submarine patch. Yeah. Be jealous.

captncrzy
01-07-2010, 08:03 AM
LOL Justin. Bringin da money back.

J~$$$$
01-08-2010, 12:17 PM
shhhh....@ capntcrazy


Hell yeah, better rekognize black pres.
It’s official: White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs has confirmed that the State of the Union will not pre-empt the premiere of LOST The Final Season on 2/2. See you in 25 days.

captncrzy
01-08-2010, 12:18 PM
This is the best news I've heard this week.

Don't worry J; there is too much stupidity around here for anyone new to get it.

faxman75
01-11-2010, 09:15 PM
Anyone need a full series refresher in 8 minutes?

G3zvM0EzT7c

Leeartlee
01-12-2010, 08:50 AM
The White House backs down to Lost. All is right with the world.

BeHereNOW
01-13-2010, 04:22 PM
i LOST the interest in this

1litro
01-14-2010, 04:08 PM
have season 1,2,and 3 just ordered 4 and 5 from amazon for 20$ apiece

J~$$$$
01-21-2010, 04:04 PM
M1D-cuc8OTI&feature

tessalasset
01-22-2010, 12:50 AM
have season 1,2,and 3 just ordered 4 and 5 from amazon for 20$ apiece

thats amazing!


i need to set feb 2 in my phone so i dont forget.

ivankay
01-22-2010, 01:06 AM
M1D-cuc8OTI&feature

i love this family.

locachica73
01-22-2010, 07:57 AM
My sister and I are doing our season 5 marathon tonight and tomorrow while taste testing "good" beer in a can from Total Wine. I am very excited for this.

Grant
01-22-2010, 08:02 AM
I guess if you're an uber fan and/or sneakerhead you can pick these up...

Oceanic Airlines Dunks!

http://n-sb.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/NikeSBLostDunkHighpair.jpg

J~$$$$
01-22-2010, 08:08 AM
The Dharma sb ones are way better.


http://www.eukicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/eliteboardshop_DSC04619.jpg

SDsoldier7
01-23-2010, 03:24 AM
both pairs are SB's. The oceanics are dunks, and these^ are the blazers. both are an easy pass for me. though, i would think about rockin the dunks if i got them for free.


I can wait for the new season to start now that it's around the corner. I dont want it to end. It sort of has a bitter sweet feel to it. Oh well. It was a great run, and I cant wait to see how this shit ends.

ivankay
01-23-2010, 03:27 AM
i not sure if this is in the thread:

MKcKtjrL5bc

tessalasset
01-23-2010, 03:58 AM
im only a minute in and this is fucking awesome mike.

tessalasset
01-23-2010, 04:07 AM
GOD i love this show.

phenomenator
01-23-2010, 02:32 PM
i not sure if this is in the thread:

MKcKtjrL5bc

this was the most awesome thing i've seen in a while...can't wait for the new season

Somewhat Damaged
01-23-2010, 03:49 PM
I don't remember that scene of Jack's dad talking to Vincent. What episode/season is that from? I saw the entire series on DVD in a month last year before the most recent season started so a lot of things just sort of blurred together.

LooseAtTheZoo
01-23-2010, 04:01 PM
I want those Dharma shoes...

SDsoldier7
01-23-2010, 04:09 PM
those dunks are actually starting to grow on me. i might pay retail for them.


awesome clip Ivan Kay!

edit:
i hate being a sneaker junkie. i need a pair of those dunks.

tessalasset
01-23-2010, 04:30 PM
I don't remember that scene of Jack's dad talking to Vincent. What episode/season is that from? I saw the entire series on DVD in a month last year before the most recent season started so a lot of things just sort of blurred together.

i remember seeing that scene but not which episode it's from.

NicoDread
01-23-2010, 04:35 PM
It's from those clips they had on abc.com a few years ago. scenes that didn't make it to the show, but the producers thought were still relevant information.

Somewhat Damaged
01-23-2010, 04:36 PM
And you call yourself a Lost fan. :nono

EDIT: @tessa

ALSO EDIT: Thanks, Steve. What's up?

NicoDread
01-23-2010, 04:44 PM
I'm feeling a little sick, but decided it's the perfect time to rewatch season 5.

Benjamin Linus
01-23-2010, 04:56 PM
Just watched all of Seasons 1-5 on blu ray (been doing a marathon). Beyond pumped for this premiere. Throwing a big party at my house!

tessalasset
01-23-2010, 05:07 PM
It's from those clips they had on abc.com a few years ago. scenes that didn't make it to the show, but the producers thought were still relevant information.

oh thats right. that's where the introduced neil frogurt too, right?

chairmenmeow47
01-23-2010, 07:31 PM
i not sure if this is in the thread:

MKcKtjrL5bc

thanks for posting! i just added season 5 to my netflix queue. i need to start planning a series finale party methinks.

Somewhat Damaged
01-23-2010, 09:00 PM
oh thats right. that's where the introduced neil frogurt too, right?

Is that name a nod to the Simpsons?

"The doll is cursed."
"That's bad."
"But it comes with a free frogurt!"
"That's good!"
"The frogurt is also cursed."
"That's bad."
"But you get your choice of topping!"
"That's good!"
"The topping contain potassium benzoate."
...
"That's bad."

tessalasset
01-24-2010, 03:02 AM
could be. wouldn't be surprised if the writers were big simpsons fans as they are all total geeks.

chairmenmeow47
01-27-2010, 08:50 AM
ONE WEEK

J~$$$$
01-27-2010, 08:59 AM
Lucky Bastards

ABC ANNOUNCES A SPECIAL SCREENING OF "LOST" AT "SUNSET ON THE BEACH", SATURDAY, JANUARY 30

A Special Screening of ABC's Hit Comedy "Modern Family" will Immediately Follow

"Lost" and a Marathon of "V" Will Be Screened the Next Day, Sunday, January 31
ABC's "Lost" makes its return for its final season with a special screening at "Sunset on the Beach" on Saturday, January 30 at approximately 6:30 p.m. Thousands of fans will congregate on the sandy beach of Waikiki in Oahu to be the first to see the initial hour of the season premiere episode before it airs nationally on the ABC Television Network. Fans can also catch a special screening of an all-new episode of the hit comedy "Modern Family" immediately following "Lost," and will also be able to view a marathon of "V" on Sunday, January 31, beginning at approximately 6:30 p.m. as well.

This marks the final screening of "Lost" at "Sunset on the Beach," with executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse on hand to address fans with a special message. Those attending will also be able to bid on a signed photo of the entire cast among other items in a special auction at the event.

"Lost" premieres Tuesday, February 2 on ABC with an all-night event that begins with a special (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET), followed by the two-hour season premiere (9:00-11:00 p.m., ET).

"Modern Family" airs Wednesdays from9:00-9:30 p.m., ET on ABC.

New episodes of ABC's "V" will return beginning on Tuesday, March 30.

"Sunset on the Beach" screening location:
Waikiki Beach on Oahu between Kapahulu and Monsarrat Avenues on Kalakaua across from the Honolulu Zoo.

chairmenmeow47
01-27-2010, 09:00 AM
omg that sounds AWESOME. courtney, you better go to this.

shakermaker113
01-27-2010, 09:57 AM
sooo... don't come into this thread between saturday and tuesday then?

fikus222
01-27-2010, 10:53 AM
:D I'm starting to get excited :D

chairmenmeow47
01-27-2010, 11:56 AM
if any phoenix area people want to come over and watch next tuesday, hit me up :)

Leeartlee
01-27-2010, 12:06 PM
sooo... don't come into this thread between saturday and tuesday then?

Oh sweet Jesus... spoilers for Lost are DEATH

locachica73
01-27-2010, 12:11 PM
if any phoenix area people want to come over and watch next tuesday, hit me up :)

Let me find out what my sisters plans are, if she is still out of town I might take you up on this. :)

tessalasset
01-27-2010, 08:18 PM
Have you guys heard about the auction/sale they're having this summer of TONS of lost props? I was reading about it in the official magazine.

ivankay
01-29-2010, 12:25 AM
http://www.likecool.com/Gear/Pic/The%20LOST%20Supper/big/The-LOST-Supper.jpg

tessalasset
01-29-2010, 01:26 AM
shit i wish there was a higher res version of that. i just made it my desktop background and it looks like crap.

SDsoldier7
01-29-2010, 05:09 AM
so people are going to see the episode on sat eh... better make sure to tune out of this thread and any other place that could spoil it.

cant wait till wed! dvr is ready!

locachica73
01-29-2010, 07:11 AM
I just realized they switched LOST to Tuesday which is totally fucking with my DVR schedule. I may have to cut out American Idol. :(

thestripe
01-29-2010, 08:04 AM
Thank god for this weeks repeat. I don't know how, but I missed it last season.

locachica73
01-29-2010, 08:32 AM
I did too, I just watched it on DVD with my sister this last weekend. It was GREAT!!!

Courtney
01-29-2010, 08:40 AM
omg that sounds AWESOME. courtney, you better go to this.

Yeah, I'm going to that. I'll try not to post too many spoilers.

quicksand
01-29-2010, 09:43 AM
Any idea how long it takes an episode to be online after they air? No TV :(

locachica73
01-29-2010, 09:44 AM
They use to be on NBC.com the next day. I use to watch it that way because my bedroom tv was too dark so I could never tell who it was running through the forest. When I had a computer. :(

quicksand
01-29-2010, 09:47 AM
Ah damn I was hoping it was like an hour later. I can't wait a full 24 hours and not go into any Lost threads in the mean time. Guess I'm driving to Phoenix

Monklish
01-29-2010, 10:00 AM
Well, I mean they definitely weren't on nbc.com.

locachica73
01-29-2010, 10:10 AM
lol sorry, abc.com. NBC USE to be my go to channel but they have lost their good shows.

Leeartlee
01-29-2010, 10:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oYrF9Uap64
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oYrF9Uap64)
Sneak peak leaked

*Warning: Spoiler

Monklish
01-29-2010, 11:03 AM
Wow. I knew they had to do something equivalent to that but that I didn't expect it.

J~$$$$
01-29-2010, 11:12 AM
good..... now I have to avoid this thread.

Leeartlee
01-29-2010, 11:13 AM
I almost feel like the leak is a complete red herring for fans. Those Lost guys know they have us by the short hairs.

tessalasset
01-29-2010, 07:33 PM
i wont watch that link.

and SDSoldier thank you SO much for mentioning the tuesday thing. even tho i know it's feb 2, this whole time i've been thinking that's a wednesday.

GeezrRckr
01-29-2010, 07:57 PM
case of better late than never. yesterday, i finished my Lost marathon and am now totally caught up and ready for tuesday. 5 seasons in two weeks. badass show.

bballarl
01-29-2010, 08:06 PM
Walt is going to be the key.

tessalasset
01-30-2010, 02:35 AM
not according to the writers!