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Courtney
09-30-2008, 09:28 AM
This is a place to talk about jobs. Or lack thereof.

Courtney
09-30-2008, 09:30 AM
So, I have 6.5 months of state unemployment benefits coming my way. How unethical would it be to nix the job hunt for a couple weeks and take the money and go on a fabulous vacation?

CalmerThanYou
09-30-2008, 09:31 AM
Well, you wouldnt be the first...

and, are you really looking for moral guidance on this board?

Courtney
09-30-2008, 09:32 AM
Mostly I'm looking for people to support my immoral decisions so I feel less bad?

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 09:34 AM
Court, did you get laid off? What were you doing before? And exactly how much unemployment a week are we talking here?

wmgaretjax
09-30-2008, 09:38 AM
A couple weeks is no big deal I think....

I'm currently unemployed, but hopefully getting closer to finding a job. I'm not taking unemployment though, I have some cash saved up and it should last me a little while.

Courtney
09-30-2008, 09:38 AM
Yeah, 52% of my company got laid off this week due to some serious budget cuts. I think unemployment insurance is going to be something like $1500 per month for me, which (pathetically) is not really at that much less than what I was getting paid after taxes, health insurance, etc anyway because I was working for a small nonprofit arts organization.

Jon Blazed
09-30-2008, 09:38 AM
My job just laid off 5 people and blamed it on the economy.

Jon Blazed
09-30-2008, 09:39 AM
That reminds me I need to get the fuck off the internetzzzzz

TommyboyUNM
09-30-2008, 09:40 AM
The best month of my life was when I was unemployed in December last year, but I think I would've gone crazy if it had been longer. I sit in front of a computer all day with my current job, clearly, but I make decent enough money to pay for concert trips. So that's really what matters.

And, Courtney, I say just fuckin do it! Though Marco is probably asking the right questions.

Courtney
09-30-2008, 09:40 AM
A couple weeks is no big deal I think....

I'm currently unemployed, but hopefully getting closer to finding a job. I'm not taking unemployment though, I have some cash saved up and it should last me a little while.

Wooo being unemployed.

How are you going about your job search? Do you find that networking is the best, or looking through job listings, or some other method? Are you limiting yourself to your immediate geographic region?

And wait, what happened to grad school?

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 09:43 AM
Well 1500 a month is pretty decent...you COULD use it to try and move outside of Hawaii...if your feeling bored....also, given your experience with a non prof..you could pick up another job easily I think...

marooko
09-30-2008, 09:45 AM
Luckily, I'm still employed.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 09:46 AM
as am I...for now anyways...luckily the Colorado Economy is doing a little better then the rest of the country....

Courtney
09-30-2008, 09:48 AM
Well 1500 a month is pretty decent...you COULD use it to try and move outside of Hawaii...if your feeling bored....also, given your experience with a non prof..you could pick up another job easily I think...

Thanks. I'm considering moving, actually. Mostly because the Hawaii economy is really really bad right now between tourism and fuel costs (no one is visiting, and companies can't afford to ship things here). I'm not sure if I can continue to collect benefits if I'm out-of-state, but I could probably get around that as long as I maintain an in-state official address.

New York would be the obvious choice because of the quantity of arts jobs, but it's such an expensive place to live.

I have no idea what I'm doing, really.

locachica73
09-30-2008, 09:50 AM
I have been at my current job for 9+ years and almost wish they would lay me off for a bit. I need a break but would prefer to get paid while on my break. As much as I slack you would think they would have fired me by now but they are none the wiser, and being here as long as I have I refuse to quit because they won't pay me any severence. So I will continue being a slacker until they figure it out.

Courtney
09-30-2008, 09:52 AM
Loca, I thought you could only get unemployment if you get fired through no fault of your own?

CalmerThanYou
09-30-2008, 09:52 AM
I have been at my current job for 9+ years and almost wish they would lay me off for a bit.

I'd bite your tongue young lady and be VERY happy you are employed. The plane has crashed into the mountain. We are going to see things get horrendous in the upcoming year or two, you should be counting your blessings...

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 09:52 AM
Thanks. I'm considering moving, actually. Mostly because the Hawaii economy is really really bad right now between tourism and fuel costs (no one is visiting, and companies can't afford to ship things here). I'm not sure if I can continue to collect benefits if I'm out-of-state, but I could probably get around that as long as I maintain an in-state official address.

New York would be the obvious choice because of the quantity of arts jobs, but it's such an expensive place to live.

I have no idea what I'm doing, really.


My boss moved out from Maui in May because the economy was going sideways...worst on the other islands from what I understand...even though he only got a $1000 salary increase to move to Denver...he said it felt like doubling his salary due to the cost of living being much less then Hawaii...he was a Director at a hotel down there...if you like want art jobs you could check out Santa Fe, NM...unemployment there is lower the CO...and Sante Fe has the 3rd largest art market after NY and LA.

TommyboyUNM
09-30-2008, 09:56 AM
My boss moved out from Maui in May because the economy was going sideways...worst on the other islands from what I understand...even though he only got a $1000 salary increase to move to Denver...he said it felt like doubling his salary due to the cost of living being much less then Hawaii...he was a Director at a hotel down there...if you like want art jobs you could check out Santa Fe, NM...unemployment there is lower the CO...and Sante Fe has the 3rd largest art market after NY and LA.


Indeed. Santa Fe is really good for art jobs. And New Mexico is a great place to live. Albuquerque is growing pretty rapidly and the green chilie will have you hooked.

Courtney
09-30-2008, 09:58 AM
Hmmm. I've never been to New Mexico. Also, just for fun, I looked up:


20 U.S Cities With the Lowest Unemployment Rates
Average: 2.9

1. Fargo, N.D.: 2.1

2. Casper, Wyo.: 2.4

3. Houma-Bayou Cane-Thibodaux, La..: 2.5

3. Lafayette, La..: 2.5

3. Sioux Falls, S.D.: 2.5

6. Ames, Iowa: 2.6

6. Bismarck, N.D. 2.6

8. Fort Walton Beach-Crestview-Destin, Fla.: 2.7

8. Idaho Falls, Idaho: 2.7

8. Iowa City, Iowa: 2.7

11. Cape Coral-Fort Myers, Fla.: 2.8

11. Charlottesville, Va.: 2.8

11. Harrisonburg, Va.: 2.8

11. Rapid City, SD: 2.8

11. Sarasota-Bradenton-Venice, Fla.: 2.8

11. St. George, Utah: 2.8

11. Winchester, Va.: 2.8

18. Billings, Mont. 2.9

18. Boise City-Nampa, Idaho: 2.9

20. Des Moines-West Des Moines, Iowa: 3

20. Lake Charles, La.: 3

20. Logan, Utah: 3

20. Missoula, Mont.: 3


Not a whole lot of terribly appeal prospects there. Although I could move next door to Yablo if I moved to Missoula...

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 10:00 AM
I wouldn't call those "cities"

Courtney
09-30-2008, 10:01 AM
Hahaa. Charlottesville might not be too bad. Isn't it a college town? College towns generally at least have good ethnic eateries and bookstores.

allyjoy
09-30-2008, 10:02 AM
just stay away from these cities

20 U.S. Cities With the Highest Unemployment Rates
Average: 9.7

20. McAllen-Edinburg-Mission, Texas: 7.8

20. Muskegon-Norton Shores, Mich.: 7.8

16. Battle Creek, Mich.: 7.9

16. Hanford-Corcoran, Calif.: 7.9

16. Modesto, Calif.: 7.9

16. Niles-Benton Harbor, Mich.: 7.9

14. Jackson, Mich.: 8

14. Sumter, S.C.: 8

13. Detroit-Warren-Livonia, Mich.: 8.1

12. Yuba City, Calif.: 8.2

11. Visalia-Porterville, Calif.: 8.4

10. Monroe, Mich.: 8.5

9. Pine Bluff, Ark.: 8.6

8. Saginaw-Saginaw Township North, Mich.: 8.7

7. Kokomo, Ind.: 8.9

6. Merced, Calif.: 9.2

5. Pascagoula, Miss.: 9.4

4. Flint, Mich.: 10

3. Gulfport-Biloxi, Miss.: 11.6

2. El Centro, Calif.: 17.3

1. Yuma, Ariz.:21.4

ivankay
09-30-2008, 10:03 AM
Although I could move next door to Yablo if I moved to Missoula...

People would pay to do that.

marooko
09-30-2008, 10:05 AM
wHAT AGE RANGE ARE YOU IN? oops. sorry. didnt mean to yell at ya.




16. Modesto, Calif.: 7.9


HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHA. I will consider myslef lucky.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 10:05 AM
State unemployment, June 2008
Rank State Rate
1 SOUTH DAKOTA 2.8
2 NORTH DAKOTA 3.2
2 UTAH 3.2
2 WYOMING 3.2
5 NEBRASKA 3.3
6 HAWAII 3.8
6 IDAHO 3.8
6 LOUISIANA 3.8
9 NEW MEXICO 3.9
9 OKLAHOMA 3.9
11 IOWA 4.0
11 MARYLAND 4.0
11 NEW HAMPSHIRE 4.0
11 VIRGINIA 4.0
15 MONTANA 4.1
16 DELAWARE 4.2
17 KANSAS 4.3
18 TEXAS 4.4
19 WISCONSIN 4.6
20 ALABAMA 4.7
20 VERMONT 4.7
22 ARIZONA 4.8
23 ARKANSAS 5.0
24 COLORADO 5.1
25 MASSACHUSETTS 5.2
25 PENNSYLVANIA 5.2
27 MAINE 5.3
27 MINNESOTA 5.3
27 NEW JERSEY 5.3
27 NEW YORK 5.3
27 WEST VIRGINIA 5.3
32 CONNECTICUT 5.4
33 FLORIDA 5.5
33 OREGON 5.5
33 WASHINGTON 5.5
36 GEORGIA 5.7
36 MISSOURI 5.7
38 INDIANA 5.8
39 NORTH CAROLINA 6.0
40 SOUTH CAROLINA 6.2
41 KENTUCKY 6.3
42 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 6.4
42 NEVADA 6.4
44 TENNESSEE 6.5
45 OHIO 6.6
46 ALASKA 6.8
46 ILLINOIS 6.8
48 CALIFORNIA 6.9
48 MISSISSIPPI 6.9
50 RHODE ISLAND 7.5
51 MICHIGAN 8.5
Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics
NOTE: Rates shown are a percentage of the labor force. Data refer to place of residence. Estimates for the current year are subject to revision early in the following calendar year.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 10:07 AM
just stay away from these cities

Funny enough...I have a aunt who lives in McAllen and is actually doing great there....I would never live there though...

marooko
09-30-2008, 10:08 AM
also, looks like you wanna stay away from Michigan and California. hahaha.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 10:09 AM
those numbers are from June...Michigan is at 9% and California is above 7% now...

locachica73
09-30-2008, 10:09 AM
Loca, I thought you could only get unemployment if you get fired through no fault of your own?

That is what I meant by laid off that is the only way I would get unemployment, if they fired me though I would get a few months of severance so I could at least lay low for awhile. Just to take a break, I know that sounds stupid but I have worked since I was 16, the longest I have ever been off work is when I was 8 months pregnant with my kids and I went right back to work 6 wks after my daughter was born and started college full time 4 wks after my son was born. And that was 14 years ago.


I'd bite your tongue young lady and be VERY happy you are employed. The plane has crashed into the mountain. We are going to see things get horrendous in the upcoming year or two, you should be counting your blessings...

Yeah I know. Luckily with my construction experience working in accounting and administration there will always be work for me somewhere. There will always be shit to build in the commercial industry. Right now even while the rest of the country is slowing down we are going strong, we just change what we build. When I first started here it was all retail, then office buildings a couple years after that, then 2 years ago we built condos, now in todays market it is hospitals, schools, retirement facilities and alot of stuff for the military.

The thought does sound nice though, but after a couple weeks I would be bored silly.

CalmerThanYou
09-30-2008, 10:12 AM
OK, as long as you know whatcha got

thefunkylama
09-30-2008, 10:12 AM
12. Yuba City, Calif.: 8.2

I can attest to this.

Thankfully I have a job, but businesses are closing up faster than they open 'round here.

amyzzz
09-30-2008, 10:13 AM
Seeing all those high Michigan stats makes me want to watch Roger & Me again. Heck, the economy itself makes me want to watch that. (yah yah, know it's propaganda blah blah blah)

Courtney
09-30-2008, 10:14 AM
State unemployment, June 2008
Rank State Rate
1 SOUTH DAKOTA 2.8
2 NORTH DAKOTA 3.2
2 UTAH 3.2
2 WYOMING 3.2
5 NEBRASKA 3.3
6 HAWAII 3.8
6 IDAHO 3.8
6 LOUISIANA 3.8

Huh, this makes Hawaii look really good. Maybe I don't know how good we have it here.


wHAT AGE RANGE ARE YOU IN? oops. sorry. didnt mean to yell at ya.

If this is directed at me, I'm 26.

thefunkylama
09-30-2008, 10:16 AM
Also, Courtney: I have a lot of family in New Mexico, including a cousin who's going to college in Santa Fe and my mom and grandparents who live about an hour outside of it. It's a really beautiful area and the weather is not as severe as some might have you think, especially if you enjoy thunder storms.

bug on your lip
09-30-2008, 10:17 AM
considering that the Top 5 have low populations should tip u off to the fact that there is more to data than meets the eyes........ transformers, yeah..i know...

Courtney
09-30-2008, 10:18 AM
THUNDER STORMS!

Maybe there is a job at the Dia-owned art installation Lighting Field (http://www.lightningfield.org/) by Walter de Maria. That would rule so much.

Courtney
09-30-2008, 10:20 AM
I have worked since I was 16, the longest I have ever been off work is when I was 8 months pregnant with my kids and I went right back to work 6 wks after my daughter was born and started college full time 4 wks after my son was born. And that was 14 years ago.

I don't think being a new mother exactly counts as being off work.

amyzzz
09-30-2008, 10:22 AM
Also, Courtney: I have a lot of family in New Mexico, including a cousin who's going to college in Santa Fe and my mom and grandparents who live about an hour outside of it. It's a really beautiful area and the weather is not as severe as some might have you think, especially if you enjoy thunder storms.
I've heard the weather is great as well (from an ex-boss), but how is the quality of living? I think D H Lawrence is buried somewhere in New Mexico....and I know there's a bomb museum there (an ex dragged me there once for no apparent reason).

Pixiessp
09-30-2008, 10:24 AM
Hmmm. I've never been to New Mexico. Also, just for fun, I looked up:



Not a whole lot of terribly appeal prospects there. Although I could move next door to Yablo if I moved to Missoula...

the ones in Virginia would be the only ones i would consider. The rest suck.

locachica73
09-30-2008, 10:26 AM
I don't think being a new mother exactly counts as being off work.

yeah not really lol. having to be the grown up one blows sometimes.

locachica73
09-30-2008, 10:27 AM
I have driven through NM and the red rocks are beautiful in the northern part of the state. I could imagine living there. And there are not many places I would give up AZ for.

Courtney
09-30-2008, 10:29 AM
I've heard the weather is great as well (from an ex-boss), but how is the quality of living? I think D H Lawrence is buried somewhere in New Mexico....and I know there's a bomb museum there (an ex dragged me there once for no apparent reason).

Haha, bombs and grave sites. Can't say this is really selling me on New Mexico as a place to live.

Although, for the record, I think going to a bomb museum would actually make a pretty excellent date.

canexplain
09-30-2008, 10:32 AM
i was going to quit my job and get a partime if i felt i needed it, but with the economy, i guess i will stick around here for a while .... yuck .... x****

Pixiessp
09-30-2008, 10:33 AM
New Mexico is very beautiful Courtney. Also a great place for artistic minded individuals. I have often considered moving there.

Courtney
09-30-2008, 10:35 AM
i was going to quit my job and get a partime if i felt i needed it, but with the economy, i guess i will stick around here for a while .... yuck .... x****

Yeah, this all sucks much more for people in the workforce who are 50-65 than for me, because it possibly means delayed retirement etc. Luckily I am young so being broke is pretty much par for the course. Although, hopefully it won't be a permanent condition. I can always go back to school.

Courtney
09-30-2008, 10:38 AM
New Mexico is very beautiful Courtney. Also a great place for artistic minded individuals. I have often considered moving there.

Pixie, do you work in the arts?

Pixiessp
09-30-2008, 10:39 AM
it looks like I won't get to retire till I'm 70. yuck!! better get me a sugar mama. or win the Lotto.

locachica73
09-30-2008, 10:44 AM
Yeah I probably won't retire till I am 70 either unfortunately, and the sad thing, no one in my family has lived past 65 so I get to retire 5 years after I die.

Pixiessp
09-30-2008, 10:44 AM
I do not Courtney but my ex is a Photographer and we took a trip there for one of her shoots. We met so many cool photogs and artists. People who moved there specifically for the purpose of creating in an artistic environment.

Pixiessp
09-30-2008, 10:46 AM
Yeah I probably won't retire till I am 70 either unfortunately, and the sad thing, no one in my family has lived past 65 so I get to retire 5 years after I die.

Loca, you are so funny!! witty actually.

locachica73
09-30-2008, 10:51 AM
lol thanks. gotta laugh at life, it is the only way to get through it. :)

MarkO
09-30-2008, 10:56 AM
4 mos in NM made me want to give up on life. Drive thru towns like Socorro or Gallup or Grants and see how 'arty' and 'beautiful' they are. Report back .............

locachica73
09-30-2008, 10:58 AM
Oh I have been to Gallup, that place is a HOLE!!! Having the natives come up to sell you jewelery while eating breakfast was quite an experience. I just like the looks of Northern NM from driving through but we spent the night in Santa Fe and I wasn't all that impressed. I would like to explore the area though.

zenidogx
09-30-2008, 10:59 AM
highest unemployment
6. Merced

ah, yes. even the first research institution of the 21st century can't help out the meth-laced image of one of the nation's most foreclosed on cities. kinda explains why no bands come out here.

wmgaretjax
09-30-2008, 11:04 AM
Wooo being unemployed.

How are you going about your job search? Do you find that networking is the best, or looking through job listings, or some other method? Are you limiting yourself to your immediate geographic region?

And wait, what happened to grad school?

I am limiting it to the Seattle area for the time being. I'm doing a mix of job listing and contacts I've already made.

As far as grad school goes, I got into NYU but the whole baby thing happened.... So that is postponed (I'm applying again this year).

bug on your lip
09-30-2008, 11:05 AM
anyone wanna buy some jewelry from me

marooko
09-30-2008, 11:11 AM
If this is directed at me, I'm 26.

It was. You're still young, get crazy and make a major move.

marooko
09-30-2008, 11:12 AM
highest unemployment
6. Merced

ah, yes. even the first research institution of the 21st century can't help out the meth-laced image of one of the nation's most foreclosed on cities. kinda explains why no bands come out here.

Von Iva is gonna be there in like a week or two. You should go, I am.

locachica73
09-30-2008, 11:13 AM
anyone wanna buy some jewelry from me

no thanks, im allergic.

chairmenmeow47
09-30-2008, 11:15 AM
sorry to hear, courtney :(

my only advice to offer as someone who frequently interviews and helps hire people is that gaps in employment are red flags. people also like to hire people with jobs for some reason, so the sooner after your lay off you can get a job, the better. if you're going to take a break/vacation, perhaps you could do some volunteer work or something very part-time or even a class maybe to fill in the gaps to show you just weren't doing nothing during that time.

i hope this helps and definitely enjoy the time while you've got it. and if you do move somewhere and want to go to school, i recommend working for the school to take advantage of free tutition. best of luck :)

Courtney
09-30-2008, 11:18 AM
I am limiting it to the Seattle area for the time being. I'm doing a mix of job listing and contacts I've already made.

As far as grad school goes, I got into NYU but the whole baby thing happened.... So that is postponed (I'm applying again this year).

Oh yeah. Baby. But congrats on NYU. If you got in last time, and you get a job doing something at least remotely related to your field or volunteer or do extra-curricular field-related activities, I'd imagine you should be able to get in again the next time you apply.

I am the worst networker ever. I'm always afraid of being perceived as being the sleazy guy handing out business cards at cocktail parties. It would probably behoove me to get over that fear, in terms of using contacts to try to get jobs.

bug on your lip
09-30-2008, 11:18 AM
or just be handsome

wmgaretjax
09-30-2008, 11:20 AM
I am the worst networker ever. I'm always afraid of being perceived as being the sleazy guy handing out business cards as cocktail parties. It would probably behoove me to get over that fear, in terms of using contacts to try to get jobs.

I have the exact same problem. So that's why I just hit up my friends working at Amazon or Microsoft to help push my resume through (it's hiring season for those companies, so I have my fingers crossed).

TommyboyUNM
09-30-2008, 11:20 AM
4 mos in NM made me want to give up on life. Drive thru towns like Socorro or Gallup or Grants and see how 'arty' and 'beautiful' they are. Report back .............


I can't believe a New Mexico discussion got going and I was at lunch (at a good NM pizza place called Dion's). Yeah, Gallup and Grants are pretty bad. That's pretty hard to argue. If you enjoy the outdoors, there is a lot to do in New Mexico. Especially the more central you get in the state. There's nothing good in western NM. But places like Taos, Santa Fe, Penasco and Ruidoso are nice spots to hit. I've only lived in Albuquerque, so I can only speak on that. I love it here. The weather is great. We have the mountains right here. It's getting big, but still kind of a college feel to it. It's a good spot for the artsy types. Not many great concerts come around, but Phoenix and Denver are easy drives if you're the road trip type. I'm actually driving to Phoenix this weekend for a football game.

chairmenmeow47
09-30-2008, 11:22 AM
Oh yeah. Baby. But congrats on NYU. If you got in last time, and you get a job doing something at least remotely related to your field or volunteer or do extra-curricular field-related activities, I'd imagine you should be able to get in again the next time you apply.

I am the worst networker ever. I'm always afraid of being perceived as being the sleazy guy handing out business cards at cocktail parties. It would probably behoove me to get over that fear, in terms of using contacts to try to get jobs.

one way to help with networking is join message boards where people in your field might post. this is easy for IT people for example, i've seen people get jobs simply by posting with people on fark.com for example. also, if there are professional societies in your work, that can help. networking is difficult, good luck with that.

zenidogx
09-30-2008, 11:24 AM
Von Iva is gonna be there in like a week or two. You should go, I am.

the Partisan is 21+
unhappy face.

bug on your lip
09-30-2008, 11:25 AM
i travel around the country & scoop poop at parades

my peers tend not to be digitally literate

marooko
09-30-2008, 11:29 AM
the Partisan is 21+
unhappy face.

oh noezzz. sorry.

shakermaker113
09-30-2008, 11:30 AM
1. Yuma, Ariz.:21.4

wow. I always knew Yuma sucked, but my god. that's a whole 4 percentage points higher than #2.

captncrzy
09-30-2008, 11:36 AM
12. Yuba City, Calif.: 8.2

[QUOTE]

Where is Yuba City? Just curious-never heard of it...

[QUOTE=Courtney;749715]Huh, this makes Hawaii look really good. Maybe I don't know how good we have it here.



If this is directed at me, I'm 26.

I'm still always on the lookout for a job with Hawaiian Airlines. As soon as one opens up, I'm going for it.


anyone wanna buy some jewelry from me


Are your jewelry crafts made from baby ears? Cuz if so, yes.


wow. I always knew Yuma sucked, but my god. that's a whole 4 percentage points higher than #2.

It sucks regardless

anti-square
09-30-2008, 11:38 AM
just stay away from these cities
2. El Centro, Calif.: 17.3

1. Yuma, Ariz.:21.4



I'm smack in the middle of these two cities and just got a job last week. It's nice being a Vet sometimes.

zenidogx
09-30-2008, 11:39 AM
oh noezzz. sorry.

you'd think they'd try more to attract UC students. then again, iunno how the venue runs. maybe it relies to heavily on alcohol sales. bastards. Earlimart is playing today too.

Courtney
09-30-2008, 11:41 AM
sorry to hear, courtney :(

my only advice to offer as someone who frequently interviews and helps hire people is that gaps in employment are red flags. people also like to hire people with jobs for some reason, so the sooner after your lay off you can get a job, the better. if you're going to take a break/vacation, perhaps you could do some volunteer work or something very part-time or even a class maybe to fill in the gaps to show you just weren't doing nothing during that time.

i hope this helps and definitely enjoy the time while you've got it. and if you do move somewhere and want to go to school, i recommend working for the school to take advantage of free tutition. best of luck :)

Thanks Ivy. I'm definitely going to continue on doing all of the extracurricular actives in my field I currently do to stay busy, like curating a November fundraiser art exhibit to benefit women and children against domestic violence. I'm also taking a French class to try to un-rustify my speaking abilities.

The working for a school idea is terrific, and something I hadn't actually considered. Hmmm.

chairmenmeow47
09-30-2008, 11:45 AM
i've worked for a for-profit university for 6 years and i attend one of their subsidiaries. my dad worked for arizona state part-time as a janitor for 10 years and recently retired. he only took the job for tuition, and now that he's "vested", he gets life-long tuition benefits. not too shabby. not to mention it would open the door to other extra-curricular or research opportunities. and help with the whole networking thing.

the tuition benefit thing is great if you take advantage, though you have to realize your pay might be less than it would in other companies. also, since universities offer free tuition, you're generally competing against people with multiple degrees for jobs, so be sure to showcase what you can bring to the table besides a degree.

it's the way to go though if you really want to go to school, IMO. unless you get a bunch of grants or scholarships, who really wants to pay back a bunch of loans for school? especially if you're going into an arts related field.

thefunkylama
09-30-2008, 11:50 AM
http://www.thefunkylama.com/images/lama/maptoyubacity.jpg

Courtney
09-30-2008, 11:51 AM
I have the exact same problem. So that's why I just hit up my friends working at Amazon or Microsoft to help push my resume through (it's hiring season for those companies, so I have my fingers crossed).

Yeah, it seems like tech skills can be a big plus for a lot of the job openings currently available. Our IT guy is a consultant who owns his own company, and he was just telling me how it's too bad that I know nothing about computers because otherwise he could point me to multiple openings that companies have been having difficulty filling :(


one way to help with networking is join message boards where people in your field might post. this is easy for IT people for example, i've seen people get jobs simply by posting with people on fark.com for example. also, if there are professional societies in your work, that can help. networking is difficult, good luck with that.

Art museums/galleries/nonprofits aren't as big on the message board thing, from what I can tell. Although I am involved with several museum-related listservs, and also a couple of professional societies. Maybe I should start blogging?

kreutz2112
09-30-2008, 11:54 AM
So, I have 6.5 months of state unemployment benefits coming my way. How unethical would it be to nix the job hunt for a couple weeks and take the money and go on a fabulous vacation?

It's not immoral at all. If I understand unemployment correctly the company you used to work for contributes a certain amount of money to an unemployment insurance plan they have and then when someone needs to collect they draw from that insurance plan (i.e. make a claim). I don't think tax dollars pay much, if any, into most unemployment packages.

thefunkylama
09-30-2008, 11:54 AM
Blog Your Way to a New Job!

chairmenmeow47
09-30-2008, 11:54 AM
blogging is good too. but i don't mean like "professional" message boards, i mean more like "message boards that are relevant to your peer's interests". for example, fark is just a news forum where geeks post, but geeks have found jobs from each other there. maybe if there was some sort of like "talk about art for fun" type message board, you may meet other people like you in a non-professional way who can help you out professionally. would be more natural than a professional society, but probably the help would be minimal and random. just a thought :)

RotationSlimWang
09-30-2008, 11:55 AM
You mean it's HARD to find gainful employment as an expert in French lithographs?

What is the world coming to...

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 11:57 AM
*gigglez*

Courtney
09-30-2008, 11:57 AM
Where is Yuba City? Just curious-never heard of it...

Honestly, I don't know where 18 out of those 20 cities are.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 11:58 AM
Honestly, I don't know where 18 out of those 20 cities are.

Really, I don't think anyone here needs to know where they are either...

chairmenmeow47
09-30-2008, 11:59 AM
Really, I don't think anyone here needs to know where they are either...

TEAMCOACHELLAHELLYEAH HATES SMALL TOWN AMERICANS! :p

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 12:03 PM
TEAMCOACHELLAHELLYEAH HATES SMALL TOWN AMERICANS! :p

Well I am apart of the Liberal Media Elite.

RotationSlimWang
09-30-2008, 12:04 PM
TEAMCOACHELLAHELLYEAH HATES SMALL TOWN AMERICANS! :p

Who doesn't? If you don't, you're probably a dumb fuck.

menikmati
09-30-2008, 12:05 PM
I want some kind of computer job.

SFChrissy
09-30-2008, 12:07 PM
courtney sorry to hear 'bout your loss of income!!! I'm in construction and was let go from my previous company last year and was out of work for 6 months $1600/month is peanuts and makes it really hard to pay rent, gas, groceries with 2 little ones to care for.

I got a lot of interviews through employment agencies,on line employment networking sites and craigslist...I found that I had to maintain my search at least 3 days a week so that there was always something in the pipeline and coordinated interviews 3-5 times a week. It sucks when you haven't had an interview in several weeks...

Good Luck and enjoy the days at the beach while you can!!!

Courtney
09-30-2008, 12:08 PM
i've worked for a for-profit university for 6 years and i attend one of their subsidiaries. my dad worked for arizona state part-time as a janitor for 10 years and recently retired. he only took the job for tuition, and now that he's "vested", he gets life-long tuition benefits. not too shabby. not to mention it would open the door to other extra-curricular or research opportunities. and help with the whole networking thing.

the tuition benefit thing is great if you take advantage, though you have to realize your pay might be less than it would in other companies. also, since universities offer free tuition, you're generally competing against people with multiple degrees for jobs, so be sure to showcase what you can bring to the table besides a degree.

it's the way to go though if you really want to go to school, IMO. unless you get a bunch of grants or scholarships, who really wants to pay back a bunch of loans for school? especially if you're going into an arts related field.

Ooh vested. Now that sounds like a good deal. I guess I could apply for community college teaching gigs because I have a graduate degree, but I'm not a fan of the teaching, so maybe I'll look into university art gallery type positions instead. That could be good.

Have you taken classes while working full-time, Ivy? That seems like it would be a pretty big time commitment and potentially super stressful. Although probably worth it if it was free.

thestripe
09-30-2008, 12:08 PM
Where is Yuba City? Just curious-never heard of it...







I got authentic mexican food from the Yuba City mall.

chairmenmeow47
09-30-2008, 12:09 PM
it is stressful and it takes me forever. i go to a school where i only take 1 class a week every 9 weeks. it should take like 8 years, but i've been going probably 5 and only about halfway through. it's difficult, but i'm personally not in a rush. i also take breaks when i know i'm going to be really busy. project management really doesn't require a degree, so i'm good there.

it is difficult, but universities generally encourage you to go to school and sometimes managers are accomodating. all of mein have been. if you get the right job like my dad, you can just do your homework at work! lol

Courtney
09-30-2008, 12:10 PM
It's not immoral at all. If I understand unemployment correctly the company you used to work for contributes a certain amount of money to an unemployment insurance plan they have and then when someone needs to collect they draw from that insurance plan (i.e. make a claim). I don't think tax dollars pay much, if any, into most unemployment packages.

Heyyy now that's the sort of rationalization I was looking for! Thank you kreutz.

RotationSlimWang
09-30-2008, 12:11 PM
Ooh vested. Now that sounds like a good deal. I guess I could apply for community college teaching gigs because I have a graduate degree, but I'm not a fan of the teaching, so maybe I'll look into university art gallery type positions instead. That could be good.

Have you taken classes while working full-time, Ivy? That seems like it would be a pretty big time commitment and potentially super stressful. Although probably worth it if it was free.

So wait a minute--you went to grad school for art history and you don't like teaching? What the fuck did you ever think you were going to do with this degree?

Courtney
09-30-2008, 12:13 PM
You mean it's HARD to find gainful employment as an expert in French lithographs?

What is the world coming to...

It's easier than German lithographs?

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 12:13 PM
I got authentic mexican food from the Yuba City mall.

is there such a thing as "authentic ethnic" food in a mall?

thefunkylama
09-30-2008, 12:14 PM
is there such a thing as "authentic ethnic" food in a mall?

You can in Yuba City.





P.S., the Yuba City mall is the cheesiest little mall I have ever been to in my entire life. Except maybe one in New Mexico.

Jon Blazed
09-30-2008, 12:15 PM
I can't believe people in Hawaii have to work....

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 12:15 PM
correct me if I am wrong but..From what I understood was that being a grad in Art history allows you to work in art auctioning houses since you would, in theory, have a better idea of how much a piece of art is worth. Correct or not?

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 12:15 PM
I can't believe people in Hawaii have to work....

some work 2 to 3 jobs just to keep up with the cost of living....

thestripe
09-30-2008, 12:17 PM
You can in Yuba City.





P.S., the Yuba City mall is the cheesiest little mall I have ever been to in my entire life.

Truth. I'm moving to Roseville next year.

Courtney
09-30-2008, 12:19 PM
courtney sorry to hear 'bout your loss of income!!! I'm in construction and was let go from my previous company last year and was out of work for 6 months $1600/month is peanuts and makes it really hard to pay rent, gas, groceries with 2 little ones to care for.

I got a lot of interviews through employment agencies,on line employment networking sites and craigslist...I found that I had to maintain my search at least 3 days a week so that there was always something in the pipeline and coordinated interviews 3-5 times a week. It sucks when you haven't had an interview in several weeks...

Good Luck and enjoy the days at the beach while you can!!!

Yeah, I read somewhere that the average amount of time to find a new job is 6 months, and it only increases from there if you are more skilled/experienced than average. Although I'm probably not any more skilled/experienced than average.

I feel very lucky that I do not have children to support, or other sorts of payments and loans to worry about. Although I'm still worried and stressed out about not having a job, it could definitely be much, much worse.

Jon Blazed
09-30-2008, 12:19 PM
some work 2 to 3 jobs just to keep up with the cost of living....

Fuck, I would just be a beach bum....On the west side.

downingthief
09-30-2008, 12:19 PM
Huh, this makes Hawaii look really good. Maybe I don't know how good we have it here.



If this is directed at me, I'm 26.

Courtney, come on out to AZ!!! :)

canexplain
09-30-2008, 12:20 PM
Ooh vested. Now that sounds like a good deal. I guess I could apply for community college teaching gigs because I have a graduate degree, but I'm not a fan of the teaching, so maybe I'll look into university art gallery type positions instead. That could be good.

Have you taken classes while working full-time, Ivy? That seems like it would be a pretty big time commitment and potentially super stressful. Although probably worth it if it was free.

i am not complaining, just laying it out there ... i went thru the first major gas crisis (in LA no less) and ups and downs in the economy my whole life .... when i was your age courtney, for two years I went to school full time, had a full time job, and a part time job i tried to do during lunch during my full time job .... i was able to do it for two years, but it really sucked ... I remember I figured it up one day and I had 6 hours every day to do just what i wanted ... of course that included eating, sleeping, going to and from work and school, helping to raise two kids and party .... not enough hours for sure in a day ... good luck gal but I am saying, if i could do it, I know most anyone can .... x****

amyzzz
09-30-2008, 12:22 PM
Courtney, come on out to AZ!!! :)
Yeah, The Phoenix New Times will have you believe that the art scene is getting really good here. (that's not in my realm of interest, so I have no idea if it's true)

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 12:23 PM
I thought Tucson had a pretty good art scene?

Courtney
09-30-2008, 12:26 PM
it is stressful and it takes me forever. i go to a school where i only take 1 class a week every 9 weeks. it should take like 8 years, but i've been going probably 5 and only about halfway through. it's difficult, but i'm personally not in a rush. i also take breaks when i know i'm going to be really busy. project management really doesn't require a degree, so i'm good there.

it is difficult, but universities generally encourage you to go to school and sometimes managers are accomodating. all of mein have been. if you get the right job like my dad, you can just do your homework at work! lol

Haha, yeah. One of my student jobs while I was an undergrad was working in the art library. Luckily, no one ever came into the art library so I could just sit at the circulation desk and do all my homework. That job ruled.

But wow. 10 years. I'm not sure if I have that sort of perseverance. I couldn't even make it through a 7 year program. More respect to you.

locachica73
09-30-2008, 12:27 PM
I thought Tucson had a pretty good art scene?

Tucson and Sedona do from what I could tell. Phoenix, not so much.

downingthief
09-30-2008, 12:30 PM
Tucson has pockets, as does Phoenix. Problem for Courtney is not a lot of French influence down here. But, maybe she can change that... :p

vinylmartyr
09-30-2008, 12:30 PM
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/med/856748529.html

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/ofc/848396285.html

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/med/852182377.html

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/ofc/842980181.html

you could move back to LA

Courtney
09-30-2008, 12:30 PM
is there such a thing as "authentic ethnic" food in a mall?

Haha. When I lived in New Haven, Connecticut, the best Indian food in the area was definitely at a nearby strip mall. Although, to be fair, I'm not sure if that was restaurant was at all authentic. It just tasted good.


correct me if I am wrong but..From what I understood was that being a grad in Art history allows you to work in art auctioning houses since you would, in theory, have a better idea of how much a piece of art is worth. Correct or not?

Yeah, a graduate degree in art history means you can work at an auction house, art museum, high-end gallery, conservation company, arts foundation, scholarly publishing house, scholarly periodical, library, research institute, or university. Maybe other things too I'm forgetting.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 12:32 PM
Yeah, a graduate degree in art history means you can work at an auction house, art museum, high-end gallery, conservation company, arts foundation, scholarly publishing house, scholarly periodical, library, research institute, or university. Maybe other things too I'm forgetting.

It seems as if you have more options then you think...I think you will be fine...just move out of Hawaii....people don't go there for art...

canexplain
09-30-2008, 12:34 PM
Haha. When I lived in New Haven, Connecticut, the best Indian food in the area was definitely at a nearby strip mall. Although, to be fair, I'm not sure if that was restaurant was at all authentic. It just tasted good.



Yeah, a graduate degree in art history means you can work at an auction house, art museum, high-end gallery, conservation company, arts foundation, scholarly publishing house, scholarly periodical, library, research institute, or university. Maybe other things too I'm forgetting.

come and work for CU, Boulder is beautiful, well most of all the middle of Colorado is ... and this is sexist I know so boo me gals, Courtney, just use your good girl looks for +10 where ever you apply ... x****

RotationSlimWang
09-30-2008, 12:35 PM
Ron has a point--Courtney, have you tried handing out a few blowjobs with your busniess card? Just sayin'. Desperate times...

Courtney
09-30-2008, 12:39 PM
Haha. Well, from watching The Apprentice, I learned that at least Donald Trump believes that you should use physical attraction to get what you want.

The fact that I am young and female probably had a lot to do with the fact that I have an interview next week for a junior analyst position at a financial corporation. You know, diversity and affirmative action and all that. Although I am mostly planning to use the interview as practice because I'm not sure whether I am ready to completely give up on the dream of working in art. But maybe.

RotationSlimWang
09-30-2008, 12:40 PM
Suck him off, see if it's better than the dream.

thefunkylama
09-30-2008, 12:41 PM
Oh, no -- not the f word!

Courtney
09-30-2008, 12:41 PM
Courtney, come on out to AZ!!! :)

If it means I get to hang out with you and Melody, I'll move in a heartbeat!

Courtney
09-30-2008, 12:45 PM
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/med/856748529.html

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/ofc/848396285.html

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/med/852182377.html

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/ofc/842980181.html

you could move back to LA

Hey those are actually jobs I am qualified for. Thanks! I will look into them.

Courtney
09-30-2008, 12:46 PM
Oh, no -- not the f word!

Haha. The only problem with this plan is that about half the finance workers in the country about about to get laid off as their companies slowly go belly up.

thefunkylama
09-30-2008, 12:48 PM
Exactly. I would count on it as being a practice interview, although really I think your best long-term bet is to collect some unemployment and look for jobs not in Hawaii/finance.

vinylmartyr
09-30-2008, 01:02 PM
Here's a job at LACMA

Assistant Sponsorship Manager (RFT)

Corporate Sponsorships & Marketing



Working with the Corporate Sponsorships & Marketing staff, the Assistant Sponsorship Manager assists in securing project, general operating, capital, and endowment support from corporations, and manages the annual corporate membership program.



Some duties include: prepare gift receipts for corporate donations and sponsorships, and ensure data accuracy of all corporate electronic and hard files; coordinates various mailings for catalogues, event invitations, and other communications that support donor/sponsorship cultivation and fulfillment; devise content for donor publications and general communication outreach; research and write corporate foundation grants for general operating fund and education programs; work with Museum staff to arrange logistics around corporate functions and special events; maintain and regularly update corporate donor recognition in newsletter listings and website; research prospective corporate and individual prospects to support programmatic aspects of the Museum; provide general administrative support and coordination of office functions for the department.



The ideal candidate will have a Bachelor's Degree and two to three years of related experience and/or training; an equivalent combination of education and experience may be substituted. Excellent writing ability, highly developed organizational skills, attention to detail and a demonstrated ability to work in a fast-paced deadline-based environment is required. Strong working knowledge of MSWord, Excel and databases plus previous experience in a not-for-profit development setting with capital campaign experience is preferred.

allyjoy
09-30-2008, 01:03 PM
or get a state job... benefits, nearly impossible to be fired once you're past probation. Mediocrity is acceptable... why am I quitting?

downingthief
09-30-2008, 01:06 PM
If it means I get to hang out with you and Melody, I'll move in a heartbeat!

Done!

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 01:08 PM
or get a state job... benefits, nearly impossible to be fired once you're past probation. Mediocrity is acceptable... why am I quitting?

hmm....I should look into this myself...

allyjoy
09-30-2008, 01:22 PM
did I mention they don't drug test? Well, at least not for my job.

locachica73
09-30-2008, 01:24 PM
That right there would be a bonus. If I got called for a random I would get my wish of losing my job and probably not get severence if that were the case. Thank goodness we are cutting back on overhead costs and they haven't pulled any randoms lately.

*knocks on wood*

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 01:26 PM
did I mention they don't drug test? Well, at least not for my job.

thankfully, I have never done any.

Quadromarshia
09-30-2008, 01:29 PM
I work for HUD, dealing with people affected by Katrina/Rita.

Ike and Gustav just got our contract extended until 2010. After which I'll probably transfer over to Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

Unless there's more destruction in the Gulf.

SoulDischarge
09-30-2008, 01:44 PM
So. How do you find a job with very close to no work experience, a worthless incomplete education in film & video, no professional contacts, no real skills (including social ones), no confidence, and a hatred for the general public that isn't fast food or the like? Because I can't figure this shit out.

Also, are technical schools for picking up professional computer skills a good idea? What technical fields are tolerable/well-paying?

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 01:47 PM
you can work overnight at a hotel.

menikmati
09-30-2008, 01:56 PM
So. How do you find a job with very close to no work experience, a worthless incomplete education in film & video, no professional contacts, no real skills (including social ones), no confidence, and a hatred for the general public that isn't fast food or the like? Because I can't figure this shit out.

Also, are technical schools for picking up professional computer skills a good idea? What technical fields are tolerable/well-paying?

ditto

TommyboyUNM
09-30-2008, 02:00 PM
you can work overnight at a hotel.


I would have to shoot myself if I did that. :)

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 02:05 PM
most people who do it are the ones that hate dealing with people...you get some odds ones that want to want overnight...

canexplain
09-30-2008, 02:06 PM
or get a state job... benefits, nearly impossible to be fired once you're past probation. Mediocrity is acceptable... why am I quitting?

we fire people all the time at my work (govt) for no reason at all (right to work state) ....and you have to take a drug test and a lie detecter test at my place just to get an interview ... now once you have the job, as long as you dont have driving part of your job, and you are not a cop, they dont check you again ...x****

vinylmartyr
09-30-2008, 02:09 PM
ditto

Move to LA like almost every other person who wants to work in film.

locachica73
09-30-2008, 02:12 PM
So. How do you find a job with very close to no work experience, a worthless incomplete education in film & video, no professional contacts, no real skills (including social ones), no confidence, and a hatred for the general public that isn't fast food or the like? Because I can't figure this shit out.

Also, are technical schools for picking up professional computer skills a good idea? What technical fields are tolerable/well-paying?

I went to a technical school and learned all I could about computer programs that were available at the time (14 years ago so we are talking Lotus123 ugh). I also picked up computerized accounting and am now doing pretty well for myself, although I am bored out of my mind but it has helped me and the kids survive for the last 14 years.

Pixiessp
09-30-2008, 02:22 PM
you'd think they'd try more to attract UC students. then again, iunno how the venue runs. maybe it relies to heavily on alcohol sales. bastards. Earlimart is playing today too.

I was going to mention that to you Zenidogx. Wasn't sure if it was your cup of tea. if it is an all ages show it would definitely be the place to be.

RotationSlimWang
09-30-2008, 02:25 PM
I've known a couple of decent techs who came out of ITT. Better than a computer science degree, anyway.

SoulDischarge
09-30-2008, 02:28 PM
Let me take an opportunity to mention how much online applications with those personality tests really truly are the work of soulless hatemongers intent on killing all joy in the world. I nearly have a nervous breakdown every time I fill one out. Does anyone know what kind of answers they're looking for? Do they expect you to lie to make it seem like yr a model worker or does it make you seem like a psychopath?

Young blood
09-30-2008, 02:29 PM
POWERBALL.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 02:31 PM
if only...

locachica73
09-30-2008, 02:31 PM
you can't fake a personality test. they rig them so that they ask you the same question 10 different ways so that when you lie it knows it. I use to give out those tests to new applicants here when I did a brief stint in the HR department and we prefered candidates that were honest to those who were trying to be shady.

sbessiso
09-30-2008, 02:36 PM
....I don't know how much more of Starfux my soul can take

ivankay
09-30-2008, 03:10 PM
Move to LA like almost every other person who wants to work in film.

Not the best of times in a lot of industries. The capital fuck up is definitely affecting production. i was mentioning to a co-worker today "apparently we should be grateful we have jobs". A production assistant who was there getting something from us followed by telling us she hasn't worked in 2 months. my place of employment is still getting jobs, but compared to Fall seasons past, the commercials are way off. Tough time to be looking in LA.

vinylmartyr
09-30-2008, 03:16 PM
It's a lot better than looking for film jobs in Napa where Erik lives.

ivankay
09-30-2008, 03:16 PM
It's a lot better than looking for film jobs in Napa where Erik lives.

tru dat.

chairmenmeow47
09-30-2008, 03:20 PM
why would you want to fake a personality test? wouldn't you rather be honest and work somewhere where your personality fits? sometimes they are looking for certain strengths for a team. if you have leadership qualities, that's great, but if they have a department full of leaders who just need to you process shit all day, that may not work. be honest.

locachica73
09-30-2008, 03:22 PM
why would you want to fake a personality test? wouldn't you rather be honest and work somewhere where your personality fits? sometimes they are looking for certain strengths for a team. if you have leadership qualities, that's great, but if they have a department full of leaders who just need to you process shit all day, that may not work. be honest.

They actually had me take the test for my current position as a standard to measure others against when they took the test. That was back when I was motivated and liked my job though.

amyzzz
09-30-2008, 03:25 PM
I think I took a personality test when I applied at K-Mart 15 years ago. I don't remember taking one anywhere else.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 03:27 PM
Whole Foods does that damn test...takes 4 years to take it.

chairmenmeow47
09-30-2008, 03:28 PM
a lot of departments in my company do the disc profile. i really like disc. it's more simple than a lot of the others.

SoulDischarge
09-30-2008, 03:36 PM
why would you want to fake a personality test? wouldn't you rather be honest and work somewhere where your personality fits? sometimes they are looking for certain strengths for a team. if you have leadership qualities, that's great, but if they have a department full of leaders who just need to you process shit all day, that may not work. be honest.

Because I just need a job right now, any damned job. And I don't really have the type of personality that inspires confidence in employers. You shouldn't have to pass a personality test to work in a fucking supermarket. I don't need that shit.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 03:45 PM
So...why does Ohio's economy suck so much?

SoulDischarge
09-30-2008, 03:48 PM
We live in a state where rivers catch fire. How much hope can there possibly be?

http://www.forbes.com/2008/08/04/economy-ohio-michigan-biz_cx_jz_0805dying.html

bmack86
09-30-2008, 03:50 PM
I did one of those when I got my job at Borders last year. I know I didn't answer everything truthfully, but if you can read the test for what it is, just fill it out like someone who's a good team player. That's what they want in big stores like that.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 03:53 PM
We live in a state where rivers catch fire. How much hope can there possibly be?

http://www.forbes.com/2008/08/04/economy-ohio-michigan-biz_cx_jz_0805dying.html


Jesus...did I count right? 5 of those cities were in Ohio? Doesn't CDUBYA live in Cleveland?

SoulDischarge
09-30-2008, 03:55 PM
I still maintain that those tests wreck havoc on yr sense of self worth, especially if it's already trashed. I'm just going to hang out in the depression, anxiety, etc thread for awhile.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-30-2008, 03:56 PM
just lie on the test...doesn't that work?

bmack86
09-30-2008, 04:03 PM
You should try telemarketing, SoulDischarge. Either that or write music.

SoulDischarge
09-30-2008, 04:03 PM
Actually, it's four. Akron is surrounded by them too. One directly to the north, east, and south of me and one quite a bit southwest. The attitude here is pretty scary. Almost everyone has this so-what?-no-future kind of outlook. I think a lot of it had to do with the collapse of a lot of major industries a few decades ago. Akron used to be the rubber capital of the world, now it's all been outsourced to other parts of the country/world. It left a huge vacuum that never quite got filled, although they're trying with polymers. Another major problem is a lot of people are backwards thinkers. They're extremely resistant to change and progress. This is true for a lot of the US, but it's especially true here. I think it's an extension of the "why bother?" attitude. There really is very little hope around these parts.

I think C DUB YA is from Columbus if I'm not mistaken. I have no idea what it's like there except that Ohio State is there.

Young blood
09-30-2008, 04:04 PM
sell cocaine.....wait ur in Ohio...sell crank.

Young blood
09-30-2008, 04:05 PM
Pick up a trade. Blue collar workers are set for lyfe.

SoulDischarge
09-30-2008, 04:08 PM
You know, the crank market is soaring.

miscorrections
09-30-2008, 04:22 PM
Whores will probably always be in demand.

Courtney
09-30-2008, 06:40 PM
Oh jeez. The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/27/business/yourmoney/27shortcuts.html?pagewanted=2&_r=2&8ur&emc=ur) seems to think that to conduct a job search, we should all include spending time on social networking sites (but only do internet job searches after dinner):


In fact, Michelle Robinovitz, who has been a recruiter for 15 years and now is director of recruiting for an accounting firm in Atlanta, said she had stopped using job sites altogether and relied almost completely on LinkedIn.

JustSteve
09-30-2008, 06:56 PM
got this in an email...

"The Improv would like to extend this VERY special opportunity
to YOU, our loyal email subscribers!

PAID EXTRAS NEEDED

FOR MAJOR MOTION PICTURE



Directed by Judd Apatow (Knocked Up, 40 Year Old Virgin), starring Adam Sandler,
Seth Rogen, Leslie Mann, Eric Bana, Jonah Hill and Jason Schwartzman, to name a few.
This major motion picture by Universal is taken place in the world of standup comedy.
We are looking for real Improv/comedy club Go-ers who like to laugh,
to come join us by working as Extras on our film in Los Angeles, CA.

***PAID EXTRAS ages 21 and older are needed to work on the film "FUNNY PEOPLE".
This film is being made from October 2008 through January 2009.
If you are interested in possibly working as a paid Extra in our film,
please mail your submission as soon as possible.

MAKE SURE TO SEND THE FOLLOWING: a current photo (snapshot or Polaroid is fine)
of yourself dressed and made up (hair and make up done for the ladies)
in clothing you think appropriate to wear when you go to the Improv for a night out.
Make sure the photo shows your clothing as well as your face.
Also make sure your submission includes your Name, Email, Phone, HT., WT., Sizes, Car Info.
(if you have one and are willing to use your car in the movie)
- Make, Model, Color & Year. And, if you are in SAG (Screen Actors Guild), please let us know.

EMAIL:
WENDY WASHBROOK - wendy.central@gmail.com
RE: “FUNNY PEOPLE”

OR

MAIL TO:
WENDY WASHBROOK / CENTRAL CASTING
“FUNNY PEOPLE”
c/o Central Casting
220 South Flower Street
Burbank, CA 91502"

Courtney
09-30-2008, 07:04 PM
Is that real? I would totally do that if I was unemployed in Los Angeles. Although I'm sure being an extra is probably a lot more boring than anything I am imagining.

corbo
09-30-2008, 07:16 PM
1500 a month is nothing. you don't have time for a vacation...
you need to start looking for a job that pays better immediately

Courtney
09-30-2008, 07:17 PM
Thanks for your advice corbo, but as I said before I don't really have any major expenses.

I think it's all very relative, it depends on what sort of a lifestyle you lead.

corbo
09-30-2008, 07:19 PM
doesnt matter you need to start saving money in case you do have major expenses in the future

Courtney
09-30-2008, 07:21 PM
Who says I don't have money saved? Careful about making assumptions.

menikmati
09-30-2008, 07:38 PM
Is that real? I would totally do that if I was unemployed in Los Angeles. Although I'm sure being an extra is probably a lot more boring than anything I am imagining.

My sisters old b/f use to be an extra for shows like Desperate Housewives, The OC and some others....and from what he said, it IS boring. He said most of the time you just wait around bored outta your mind, and its usually like 10-12 hour days.....and you're paid (at least he was) minimum wage (unless it was stated otherwise). But obviously working more than 8 hours meant he was paid overtime for part of the work, and even if the day ended up being only 10 mins or so and you left afterwards, you were still paid for an eight hour day. At least thats what I remember him saying. I don't think I would wanna do it.

menikmati
09-30-2008, 07:41 PM
Anyway, yeah, being unemployed sucks. I've looked around and I need to move if I wanna find anything. I have plenty of money saved up, and since I've been unemployed, I still have about 90% of what was saved. I don't know what I wanna do. I wanna go somewhere, get a way, a trip, go on an adventure...who wants to come? Where to?

HunterGather
09-30-2008, 07:45 PM
am i eligible for unemployment money?
i left florida and now live in alabama. Its been about a month, and i still haven't found a job (a combination of me being too picky where i apply and not getting called back from the places i've applied so far).

I can't be bothered to google around and research in all my free time, so i'm asking some of you :)

vinylmartyr
09-30-2008, 08:04 PM
Anyway, yeah, being unemployed sucks. I've looked around and I need to move if I wanna find anything. I have plenty of money saved up, and since I've been unemployed, I still have about 90% of what was saved. I don't know what I wanna do. I wanna go somewhere, get a way, a trip, go on an adventure...who wants to come? Where to?

Your welcome to come down and stay with me and Dani for a few days and check out a show.

http://goldenvoice.com/shows/?page=1&count=20&show-all

Just pick a show you wanna see and come then. No seated venue shows can't get into those for free.

ivankay
09-30-2008, 08:11 PM
Your welcome to come down and stay with me and Dani for a few days and check out a show.

http://goldenvoice.com/shows/?page=1&count=20&show-all

Just pick a show you wanna see and come then. No seated venue shows can't get into those for free.

Think about the Cooking with Menik on the road episode. Or if you insist on being a proper visitor and eating in fine places outside of the kind homes inviting you in, Dining with Menik.

vinylmartyr
09-30-2008, 08:12 PM
you should come down oct 22 thru the 26th.

menikmati
09-30-2008, 08:18 PM
Your welcome to come down and stay with me and Dani for a few days and check out a show.

http://goldenvoice.com/shows/?page=1&count=20&show-all

Just pick a show you wanna see and come then. No seated venue shows can't get into those for free.

Hmm...I'm supposed to be down in Fullerton on my birthday (nov 1) to see my sister in some play she's doing at the college....it's possible I could maybe try to come down a few days earlier (by bus or train?) and meet up with you guys and hang for a few days before her play....or we could work it out, I hang with you guys after her play for a few days....and then go back...I dunno. But I will be down there, so yeah we should try to work something out.

Young blood
09-30-2008, 08:19 PM
you live with dani?










im sorry.

vinylmartyr
09-30-2008, 08:30 PM
Its like being in heaven everyday.

psychic friend
09-30-2008, 08:38 PM
lol. a slice

Young blood
09-30-2008, 08:39 PM
wow........wow...... god bless yalls

Young blood
09-30-2008, 08:39 PM
home slice.

BROKENDOLL
10-01-2008, 01:59 AM
Because I just need a job right now, any damned job. And I don't really have the type of personality that inspires confidence in employers. You shouldn't have to pass a personality test to work in a fucking supermarket. I don't need that shit. I'm having a visual right now of some frail little elderly lady shuffling into the supermarket with her personal pushcart and gathering afew items. As she becomes bewildered and approaches SoulDischarge to ask what aisle the toiletries are in, he looks at her and says, "Well, uh, that Depends..."

BROKENDOLL
10-01-2008, 02:00 AM
:rotfl:rotfl

Courtney
10-03-2008, 05:22 PM
So... is it better to put education or experience first in a resume?

wmgaretjax
10-03-2008, 05:47 PM
So... is it better to put education or experience first in a resume?

I was always under the impression that education preceded experience.

Courtney
10-03-2008, 06:07 PM
That's what I thought too, until our PR person offered to review my resume for me, and told me to totally reorganize it! She recommends that I change the order to:

1. Employment History (only titles, companies and dates but no duties)
2. Skills & Experience (duties, accomplishments, abilities)
3. Education
4. Grants/Fellowships/Awards
5. Languages
6. Computer Skills
7. Community Service & Professional Organizations

She also says that I should completely delete my section for publications and presentations. I am so confused.

wmgaretjax
10-03-2008, 06:23 PM
This is how I have mine, and how I've been told to in the past. I could imagine various permutations being best for different kinds of positions:

1. Education
2. Employment history (duties/accomplishments/responsibilities integrated for each individual entry)
3. Grants/Fellowships/Awards/Academic Presentations etc
4. Teaching/Community Service
5. Computer/Technical Skills

The language I speak (Indonesian) isn't really applicable for the most part...

RotationSlimWang
10-03-2008, 06:49 PM
I've gone through more than half a dozen recruiters since I've been in LA and every single one of them had a different resume form they wanted me to adhere to. I don't think any of them know dick.

TomAz
10-03-2008, 07:00 PM
lead with your strong suit. if you think your education puts your best foot forward lead with that. if you think it's experience lead with that. important stuff first, then other stuff after.

bmack86
10-03-2008, 07:59 PM
Yeah, I've always read that, right out of college and for the first few years, it's best to put education first since that's what you'd been focusing on for the past few years.

chiapet
10-03-2008, 08:30 PM
The attitude here is pretty scary. Almost everyone has this so-what?-no-future kind of outlook. I think a lot of it had to do with the collapse of a lot of major industries a few decades ago.

But it was like that more than a decade when I lived there. Probably has been since industry started moving away. Admittedly, Akron always seemed more.. desperate to me than the other cities nearby.

SoulDischarge
10-03-2008, 08:36 PM
Yeah. I meant like in the 70's when the rubber industry supposedly started to decline. It's been like this ever since I can remember, so at least 22 years.

chiapet
10-03-2008, 08:38 PM
That's what I thought too, until our PR person offered to review my resume for me, and told me to totally reorganize it! She recommends that I change the order to:

1. Employment History (only titles, companies and dates but no duties)
2. Skills & Experience (duties, accomplishments, abilities)
3. Education
4. Grants/Fellowships/Awards
5. Languages
6. Computer Skills
7. Community Service & Professional Organizations

She also says that I should completely delete my section for publications and presentations. I am so confused.


What did you have at the top? Education? That's really only relevant if you are freshly out of school (or have drastically changed careers as a result of recent schooling).

Otherwise order is based on your field and the job you are applying for. If you're not sure about her advice, google nonprofit / arts resume examples. I would think grant writing experience would be more important to a potential employer than where you went to college.

She's probably suggesting you delete the publications portion because of length. How many pages is your CV right now? I do not work in nonprofits any longer, but have never met a manager at any level who has bothered to read resumes much past the first page. You can keep the information, separately, and send in upon request (and take to interview in case you have an opportunity to prevent it).

Similarly interests, community service, etc are too much information unless it's immediately relevant.

Keep in mind, especially as the economy tanks and it becomes more an employer's market, hiring managers will see tons of resumes for any good job, if you can't catch their attention within the first 1/2 page, you have no shot. Usually the first 1/3-1/2 page actually is read, then front page skimmed. Flip to the back page to check for a degree and note what field and if the school is prestigious.

Nonprofits resumes are a little different, but honestly, when presented with a resume that is more than 2 pages, the person better have YEARS of great experience to justify the length or else I feel my time is wasted.

Courtney
10-04-2008, 09:47 AM
Thanks Jared, Randy, Tom, Bryan and Heidi for the advice. I guess I'm going to have to re-evaluate a lot of my standard resume conventions now that I'm out of grad school and into the working world. Which makes sense.

I have been out of school for two years now. So I don't know if that counts as recently out of school. I guess I have always just put education first because it is what I am most proud of. But maybe it's not what is most impressive to an outside reader.

My community service stuff is definitely immediately relevant because it's stuff like organizing art conferences, chairing fundraiser exhibits, etc. But I guess something has to go if everything needs to fit on two pages. Two pages is really short!

I am going to go google sample resumes.

chiapet
10-04-2008, 11:55 AM
Well, 2 years out of school is pretty recent, but is the degree your strongest point? Maybe if it's a very prestigious school or program. TomAz's advice was best - you always lead strong.

wmgaretjax
10-28-2008, 05:31 PM
I am no longer unemployed. Yay!

bmack86
10-28-2008, 05:36 PM
Where'd you find something?

Courtney
10-28-2008, 05:38 PM
Woohoo congrats!

miscorrections
10-28-2008, 05:39 PM
Way to go!

psychic friend
10-28-2008, 05:40 PM
I look have to look at resumes and hire people for stuff sometimes.. I want to know What you did, where you worked, what you accomplished there. I dont really care about your education unless you haven't worked anywhere or have any relevant experience, THEN I might care but most likely will toss your resume in the trash.

menikmati
10-28-2008, 05:51 PM
i'll give you my resume, and hope it won't end up in the trash...

wmgaretjax
10-28-2008, 06:21 PM
Where'd you find something?

At a local established internet startup. It's mid-sized for a startup, with about 30 folks there. I'm working on the product development team doing SDET stuff. Decent pay, with serious bumps if it works out. And great experience that ensures me a job in the future in similar positions if need be. It's a bit of a commute ('bout 40 minutes via bus, which isn't actually that bad) but I'm happy.

TheWatcher
10-28-2008, 06:27 PM
I am now among the ranks of freshly unemployed. They laid-off my entire project team (5 of us).

It's been almost 9 years since I have had to look for a job.

And, I live in California. :(

shakermaker113
10-28-2008, 08:23 PM
I'm seriously considering unemployment.

ivankay
10-28-2008, 08:43 PM
i daily fantasize about not having my current job, but loyalty, people i werk with who are like family and the appreciation some who don't have jobs tell me i should have keeps me in there. If i was in the unemployment situation, driving across our fine land and taking a bazillion pictures was the therapy i would give myself before trying to place my ass back on the employment rolls.

To all who are seeking, good luck.

Courtney
10-29-2008, 10:04 AM
I received a job offer. It's not my dream job, but it will be working with nice, smart people who I can learn from, and it will pay the bills.

It's horrible timing because I just met with the director of an art museum about a possibility that IS my dream job. But I'm early in the interview process, and I don't really think I can hold back this current job offer long enough to wait for the possibility of the dream job.

I'm going to take the offer that's on the table.

locachica73
10-29-2008, 10:07 AM
I did that when I first moved here from Oregon, took the job on the table and gave up the one that was going to take too long to come through. I ended up being offered the other job but felt bad about taking it so I stuck with the one I didn't really like. I ended up bored out of my mind and quit eventually anyway. My advice would be take the job that is on the table, if the other job comes through explain to the current job that you need to leave in order to take what is geared more towards your future goals. Don't settle, it never works out.

Courtney
10-29-2008, 10:10 AM
At a local established internet startup. It's mid-sized for a startup, with about 30 folks there. I'm working on the product development team doing SDET stuff. Decent pay, with serious bumps if it works out. And great experience that ensures me a job in the future in similar positions if need be. It's a bit of a commute ('bout 40 minutes via bus, which isn't actually that bad) but I'm happy.

I had to google SDET. Cool. A bus commute isn't all bad; my old grad school advisor delighted in telling students the story of how he learned to speak German by studying every day on his bus ride to and from work for several years.


I am now among the ranks of freshly unemployed. They laid-off my entire project team (5 of us).

It's been almost 9 years since I have had to look for a job.

And, I live in California. :(

I am sorry to hear this. It seems like an increasingly common story, but it still sucks.

downingthief
10-29-2008, 10:15 AM
I received a job offer. It's not my dream job, but it will be working with nice, smart people who I can learn from, and it will pay the bills.

It's horrible timing because I just met with the director of an art museum about a possibility that IS my dream job. But I'm early in the interview process, and I don't really think I can hold back this current job offer long enough to wait for the possibility of the dream job.

I'm going to take the offer that's on the table.

Glad to hear you found one, Courtney!

Courtney
10-29-2008, 10:16 AM
I did that when I first moved here from Oregon, took the job on the table and gave up the one that was going to take too long to come through. I ended up being offered the other job but felt bad about taking it so I stuck with the one I didn't really like. I ended up bored out of my mind and quit eventually anyway. My advice would be take the job that is on the table, if the other job comes through explain to the current job that you need to leave in order to take what is geared more towards your future goals. Don't settle, it never works out.

Yeah. I hate to do that because I think it's disrespectful and sort of back-stabbing. But, after seeing the layoffs at my old job which were completely heartless (they laid off people without any consideration for personal circumstance -- including a pregnant single mom and a 50 year-old who had been loyally working at the company since he graduated from college) I realize that in the business world, you always need to look out for number one above all else.

Courtney
10-29-2008, 10:18 AM
Glad to hear you found one, Courtney!

Thank you! :)

locachica73
10-29-2008, 10:22 AM
Yeah. I hate to do that because I think it's disrespectful and sort of back-stabbing. But, after seeing the layoffs at my old job which were completely heartless (they laid off people without any consideration for personal circumstance -- including a pregnant single mom and a 50 year-old who had been loyally working at the company since he graduated from college) I realize that in the business world, you always need to look out for number one above all else.

Yes, trust me, a company is not going to consider what is best for you if things go wrong, so if it comes down to it take the other job. Or if you start the new job you might find you love it, you never know.

Blinken
10-29-2008, 10:25 AM
Congrats, Listen to loca though. You need to look out for yourslelf, not a company that just hired you, although the conversation turning it down is not fun. I had to do that a couple of times before I found my current job.

locachica73
10-29-2008, 10:27 AM
And sometimes when you go to the new company and tell them that you got a better job offer doing more what you enjoy they will even rearrange your duties or offer you more money to keep you. This has happened to me a few times.

McAwesome
10-29-2008, 06:58 PM
My Starbucks is closing down next Friday. I'm getting transfered and going from 40 hrs a week to about 15, and I'm very sad ):

wmgaretjax
10-31-2008, 02:59 PM
Congrats Courtney. Yeah, I enjoy bus rides because it forces me to keep up on my reading.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
10-31-2008, 03:00 PM
Courtcourt are you staying in Hawaii? I didn't see you mention if the job was out of state or not.

bmack86
10-31-2008, 03:02 PM
Way to go Courtney. Is the job in LA?

Courtney
10-31-2008, 03:07 PM
My Starbucks is closing down next Friday. I'm getting transfered and going from 40 hrs a week to about 15, and I'm very sad ):

I'm sorry McAwesome, that's a bummer. Can you apply for work at other coffee shops to make up for it?


Courtcourt are you staying in Hawaii? I didn't see you mention if the job was out of state or not.

I'll be in Honolulu for now. Although I don't see myself staying in this job for more than a year or two.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
10-31-2008, 03:29 PM
nice...how is the pay compared to the last gig?

Courtney
10-31-2008, 03:37 PM
It's a 27% increase. Woohoo! But that's not hard to do when you're really, really underpaid to begin with.

Courtney
11-03-2008, 09:06 AM
I have been doing negotiations for the past couple days now with the people who offered me a job. I feel like a total dick for not just saying, "THANK GOODNESS I'VE BEEN OFFERED A JOB IN THIS ECONOMY; I'LL TAKE IT!" It's a nonprofit and I know that they can't really budge much on salary, so I've been negotiating for more vacation and a parking spot. But I hate the negotiation process and it makes me feel like a huge, greedy tool.

I hate being part of a statistic (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/29/AR2007072900827.html).

Courtney
11-05-2008, 10:22 PM
Ok. Negotiations done. I just accepted the offer. By e-mail at the airport while waiting for my flight to board, no less. It feels good to officially have a job lined up for my return to Hawaii.

JSam67
11-05-2008, 10:35 PM
Congrats, Courtney. Even if it's not a dream job, it's good to have peace of mind.

roberto73
11-10-2008, 10:02 PM
At noon tomorrow I have my first interview for a university position. It's the first interview I've had in seven years, and the first I've ever done for an assistant professorship. I'm not usually prone to anxiety, but I don't think I'll be getting much sleep tonight.

Suffacated
11-10-2008, 10:55 PM
Good luck with the interview...

amyzzz
11-11-2008, 04:39 AM
I hope you get the job, or get something out of it. :)

roberto73
11-11-2008, 12:42 PM
One interview down, potentially a dozen more to go. With the exception of feeling like I was going to puke in the minutes before the search committee called, I think things went well.

BROKENDOLL
11-11-2008, 01:39 PM
One interview down, potentially a dozen more to go. With the exception of feeling like I was going to puke in the minutes before the search committee called, I think things went well. A dozen more interviews for the same job? Hopefully before the next 1 or 2 the nauseousness goes away...I'm sure the pale green skintone clashes with your bright blue eyes. Not a good thing...Good Luck!

BROKENDOLL
11-11-2008, 01:45 PM
After having the summer off, I was actually looking forward to rejoining the work force. But, with the economy failing as it is, I returned to shorter hours and the probability of less tips than years before. I won't know for sure for the next week or so, but I'm starting to think my paycheck won't be much more than my unemployment was! (And that may just have me searching for a new job...:()

wmgaretjax
11-11-2008, 01:56 PM
One interview down, potentially a dozen more to go. With the exception of feeling like I was going to puke in the minutes before the search committee called, I think things went well.

12 interviews? Is it a tenured position? Jesus... I thought my 5 was bad.

roberto73
11-11-2008, 02:25 PM
A dozen more interviews for the same job? Hopefully before the next 1 or 2 the nauseousness goes away...I'm sure the pale green skintone clashes with your bright blue eyes. Not a good thing...Good Luck!


12 interviews? Is it a tenured position? Jesus... I thought my 5 was bad.

Whoops. Apologies for the ambiguity. Only one more interview for this position if they liked me enough. But I sent application materials to a bunch of schools, and they're starting to contact me for interviews at the two big English conferences. It would be nice if the place that interviewed me today wants to offer me a job; it'll happen in the next month, thus eliminating mucho stress as I wrap up my dissertation.

wmgaretjax
11-11-2008, 02:30 PM
OK that makes sense. Out of curiosity, which school did you interview with today?

roberto73
11-11-2008, 06:15 PM
OK that makes sense. Out of curiosity, which school did you interview with today?

Check your PM's. I don't trust some of the doofuses on this board with any information dealing with my career.

BROKENDOLL
11-11-2008, 11:58 PM
Doofuses...Doofuses...I do believe that should be added to my collection of new words I'm learning on the board!

roberto73
11-26-2008, 08:19 PM
I was in San Antonio last weekend for two more interviews. They went swimmingly. I now have three campus invitations: one in Delaware, one in Georgia, one in Pennsylania. At these visits I do a teaching demonstration, a presentation of my research, and I meet with assorted deans and department chairs. I have one of these visits in two weeks, two completely separate interviews at the end of December, and then the other two visits mid-January. I'm hoping for a bidding war. I would like to be the Glasvegas of post-secondary education.

BROKENDOLL
11-26-2008, 10:44 PM
Congrats Roberto73! Sounds like you've been busy pimping yourself out all over the country! Be sure to take the time to enjoy the upcoming holidays though! And Best Wishes for the future interviews!

wmgaretjax
11-26-2008, 10:50 PM
Congrats man! Which is the ideal location for you? PA can be kind of a shithole depending on where you are, but there are also some really neat people there... I've never been to Delaware... Atlanta has an interesting music scene and some nutty people, but it's also kind of a shithole... Granted I haven't been to Atlanta for a while.

roberto73
11-27-2008, 08:20 AM
Thanks, BD and Jared. In terms of location, Delaware is just about perfect: on the East Coast, a stone's throw from some of my favorite cities. Pennsylvania isn't bad in that regard either, but the school itself is sort of in the middle of nowhere. As for the quality of the school, the faculty, and the program, Georgia is tough to beat. Using solely that criteria, it's actually my #1 choice. I'm just not sure how keen I am on living in Georgia.

The two interviews scheduled for December are in Illinois, close to Chicago, so that would be good, too. I also have applications in at a couple schools in Massachusetts, but they're notoriously slow on job searches. At any rate, I'll be spending quite a bit of the next couple months in airports.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
11-27-2008, 08:24 AM
I never realized how central Delaware is. DC, NY and Philly all close by...

wmgaretjax
11-27-2008, 08:25 AM
Hey, there are worse places to be than having that many options lined up... Even if you have to do a little bit of airport hopping... Serious congratulations, and I hope the rest go that well.

Courtney
11-27-2008, 08:27 AM
I am crossing my fingers for a bidding war for you, Rob.

One year in school I was the grad student department representative so I got to sit in on all the hiring committee stuff for new professors for our department. It's some serious shit. All the professors were so catty -- speculating what sort of salary benefits package could get each candidate. I sincerely hope that this is not an accurate representation of how most schools do things.

On the bright side, yay frequent flyer miles?

roberto73
11-27-2008, 08:47 AM
Thanks, everyone. You're right, Jared. Having too many options is not a bad problem to have. And Courtney, I'm hoping I can do this as cleanly as possible. I've heard horror stories of candidates getting jerked around by schools over things like benefits and publications, and I'd love to avoid that. I just wish the hiring mechanism wasn't so labyrinthine. My adviser is friends with one of the women on Georgia's hiring committee, and he told me earlier this week that if it had been up to her, she would have offered me the job at the interview. Too bad it doesn't work like that.

But yes, beacoup de frequent flier miles are in my future. At least the schools reimburse me for airfare so I can fly in and out of Santa Barbara without worrying about the cost. Multiple trips to LAX would destroy my soul.

marooko
04-29-2009, 01:25 PM
i think i might be counting down days.

marooko
05-19-2009, 10:48 AM
any new additions? im surprised we're still open. my just about completed resume isnt making me feel any better. mainly because there isnt anywhere to send it. hahaha. fuck.