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faxman75
09-26-2008, 12:32 PM
We watch....we decide!

We are 4 1/2 hours away from the first debate. Here is where we discuss the debate live while it happens.

marooko
09-26-2008, 12:32 PM
BC OR AD?

luckyface
09-26-2008, 12:37 PM
Who is Julius Caesar running against?

Young blood
09-26-2008, 12:37 PM
mccain was part of that debate too.....

captncrzy
09-26-2008, 12:38 PM
Who was President in 207?

faxman75
09-26-2008, 12:38 PM
I figured we would review McCains first debate then go onto tonights.

faxman75
09-26-2008, 12:38 PM
Who was President in 207?

Whoever won in 204?

chairmenmeow47
09-26-2008, 12:38 PM
208 election thread? is this where we find out if roman emporer septimus severus will EVER repair that danged antonine wall?!

marooko
09-26-2008, 12:47 PM
Friends, musicians, Coachellains, lend me your ears.....

amyzzz
09-26-2008, 01:01 PM
Didn't algunz bump that other thread to discuss the debate? Are you trying to piss her off?

marooko
09-26-2008, 01:20 PM
check out the faxman with mod friends to change his thread title. sweet buddy.

thestripe
09-26-2008, 01:25 PM
Didn't algunz bump that other thread to discuss the debate? Are you trying to piss her off?

Didn't Faxman create both threads? Faxman, I know todays politics have you a little flustered but you need to get your shit together.

algunz
09-26-2008, 01:30 PM
I bumped it but nobody wanted to play with me.

faxman75
09-26-2008, 02:26 PM
I wasn't aware it was for the debates, I figured a new thread just for all the debates was warranted in this extra special election year.

algunz, I did not mean to stop on your toes but I think we will be fine.

On that note, I just canceled my cable, fuck cox and their wanting $100 a month for their crap services. I'll download my tv and watch it. I'll stream the news channels you fuckers. i hate you cox. This could have totally went in the anonymous letters thread too. I guess i've smoked myself stupid.

amyzzz
09-26-2008, 02:28 PM
Welcome to my world, faxman! Enjoy your free tv shows (by download).

Blinken
09-26-2008, 02:29 PM
I need to smoke myself stupid.

menikmati
09-26-2008, 02:29 PM
dont get caught dling

faxman75
09-26-2008, 02:30 PM
oh believe me I will. All would be well if I could get directv. I really miss current tv. Anyway fuck Cox. I'm still stuck with their dumb internet though.

Blinken
09-26-2008, 02:30 PM
that is what PeerGaurdian is for Menik

faxman75
09-26-2008, 02:30 PM
dont get caught dling

It already happened once. I have to be extra careful where and how now. Hope I don't go to jail.

faxman75
09-26-2008, 02:31 PM
that is what PeerGaurdian is for Menik

I downloaded that before, is it always on or do I need to turn it on or something?

CHEIF SHAMAN MORRISON
09-26-2008, 02:31 PM
i said it before but if you vote for mccain the future is not a happy one...

GOD FORBID any of theses things do happen but....

Jan. 20th 2009 McCain becomes president.

July 3rd 2011 McCain has a stroke and dies.

July 4th 2011 Palin becomes president.

December 21st 2012 Palin shows her true form and rises as the Anti Christ and so follows the armageddon

faxman75
09-26-2008, 02:32 PM
Oh no I didn't they don't support vista

faxman75
09-26-2008, 02:33 PM
I was looking for a debate party at a bar or something in tempe / phoenix yesterday but couldn't commit to any so I figured watching and bullshitting on here would be more fun anyway.

suprefan
09-26-2008, 03:26 PM
I bumped it but nobody wanted to play with me.

Lots of people want to play with you, but they wont say so.

marooko
09-26-2008, 03:27 PM
fuck that!! lets play gunz.

i kid, i kid, you're a married woman.

CalmerThanYou
09-26-2008, 03:27 PM
Lots of people want to play with you, but they wont say so.


hey, clean it up.

suprefan
09-26-2008, 03:28 PM
See? A rectal itch wants to play with you.

marooko
09-26-2008, 03:28 PM
you just wish it was you.

Blinken
09-26-2008, 03:35 PM
I should be here tonight to bullshit while I watch the debate.

faxman75
09-26-2008, 03:56 PM
An hour and five minutes a way. In an hour i'm gonna either smoke myself stupid or start drinking. I think i'm gonna smoke, it's way less hassle.

faxman75
09-26-2008, 05:08 PM
bump....mccain don't look so good

faxman75
09-26-2008, 05:09 PM
surprise we are debating the economy.

Bosco
09-26-2008, 05:20 PM
my eyes are hurting watching McCain blink so much

faxman75
09-26-2008, 05:22 PM
don't you blink when you lie?

He looks older everytime I see him. I wish Jim Lehr would give up already on making them talk to eachother.

Bosco
09-26-2008, 05:22 PM
http://www.lahc.cc.ca.us/socsci/guerrero/gporkbrl.gif

suprefan
09-26-2008, 05:28 PM
I like how much McCain is just smiling and getting pissed inside wanting to just cuss Obama out.

I want them to fight each other, just argue full out...

wmgaretjax
09-26-2008, 05:29 PM
they are both fucking gomers.

suprefan
09-26-2008, 05:29 PM
But which Gomer you picking?

wmgaretjax
09-26-2008, 05:31 PM
But which Gomer you picking?

i will not be voting for either. Washington electoral votes are going to Obama regardless.

sbessiso
09-26-2008, 05:37 PM
dude, wtf is mccain talking about?? he's soo boring! and his old man-ness is awfully distracting

BROKENDOLL
09-26-2008, 05:37 PM
An hour and five minutes a way. In an hour i'm gonna either smoke myself stupid or start drinking. I think i'm gonna smoke, it's way less hassle.I'm so glad I started early enough to aquire the necessary buzz needed to watch this...


my eyes are hurting watching McCain blink so muchLike watching Lehr's eyes isn't?

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s109/MetaB_2007/Horse%20cartoons/SquareRing.jpg

faxman75
09-26-2008, 05:39 PM
McCain looks like he's gonna choke.

Bosco
09-26-2008, 05:40 PM
ok, obama better come back strong here


put your balls on the line

Bosco
09-26-2008, 05:42 PM
ugh.....

faxman75
09-26-2008, 05:43 PM
damn....the surge yo

Backwater
09-26-2008, 05:44 PM
I would laugh if McCain has a heartattack and dies right now in the middle of the debate. Death usually isn't funny but in this case it would be hilarious.

faxman75
09-26-2008, 05:44 PM
when obama gets nervous he whacks the microphone with his hand

Backwater
09-26-2008, 05:45 PM
"You were wrong" X 7, awesome

faxman75
09-26-2008, 05:46 PM
McCain looks like he's about to go off like Nicholson in A few good men.

BROKENDOLL
09-26-2008, 05:46 PM
ok, obama better come back strong here


put your balls on the line There you have it. Base this election upon the shape their balls are in, and that's like comparing a Fig Newton to an Oreo, a raisin to a grape...

faxman75
09-26-2008, 05:47 PM
barrack is stumbling

BROKENDOLL
09-26-2008, 05:48 PM
McCain is gonna need alot more Botox to look as confident as Obahma in this debate...

wmgaretjax
09-26-2008, 05:50 PM
McCain is gonna need alot more Botox to look as confident as Obahma in this debate...

Obama doesn't look confident. he looks like a partisan puppet, and still barely able to get the words out without stumbling.

sbessiso
09-26-2008, 05:51 PM
did you guys see the way Obama drank that water

so hot

BROKENDOLL
09-26-2008, 05:55 PM
did you guys see the way Obama drank that water

so hot
Christ, Sbessiso! It's a debate, not oral sex!

BROKENDOLL
09-26-2008, 05:56 PM
This would be great if they had those actual thought bubbles above their heads when they spoke.

faxman75
09-26-2008, 05:57 PM
"you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall"

Backwater
09-26-2008, 06:02 PM
Do you have to have a minimum IQ to be Republican these days?

wmgaretjax
09-26-2008, 06:07 PM
I can see it now: The Democratic Justice League!

wmgaretjax
09-26-2008, 06:08 PM
McCain is dominating this. He has Obama on the defensive almost every time he is speaking...

Backwater
09-26-2008, 06:11 PM
The Palin/Biden debate will be much more one-sided though.

BROKENDOLL
09-26-2008, 06:11 PM
This is the first time I've ever actually hoped for a commercial...my glass is empty!

PassiveTheory
09-26-2008, 06:11 PM
If there is one.

Pixiessp
09-26-2008, 06:15 PM
I bumped it but nobody wanted to play with me.

I know the feeling.

Bosco
09-26-2008, 06:15 PM
I'm just waiting for McCain to drop the coveted "zing" that the Republicans love.

(Bush: "That's Fuzzy Math")

BROKENDOLL
09-26-2008, 06:21 PM
McCain is dominating this. He has Obama on the defensive almost every time he is speaking... I don't think dominating this debate is based upon offensiveness though...Damn, typing offensiveness is like trying to type M*i*s*s*i*s*s*i*p*p*i*when one has consumed alcohol!

luckyface
09-26-2008, 06:23 PM
Remember when both sides talked about running clean campaigns with no mudslinging? Ahh, those were the days.

Pixiessp
09-26-2008, 06:23 PM
Putin is such a funny word.

wmgaretjax
09-26-2008, 06:24 PM
The Palin/Biden debate will be much more one-sided though.

No it won't. It is incredibly naive to think this. Biden is going to play it so safe that he'll simply end up coming off as competent. Palin only has to not fart on live tv for it to exceed everyone else's expectations.

And offensiveness has everything to do with it for the remainder of the public that hasn't made up their mind. Offensiveness is "presidential." It shows preparedness and conviction.

PassiveTheory
09-26-2008, 06:25 PM
No it won't. It is incredibly naive to think this. Biden is going to play it so safe that he'll simply end up coming off as competent. Palin only has to not fart on live tv for it to exceed everyone else's expectations.

And offensiveness has everything to do with it for the remainder of the public that hasn't made up their mind. Offensiveness is "presidential." It shows preparedness and conviction.

Palin could drink the blood of a white baby on television and somehow it'd end up as a positive for the Republican party/

BROKENDOLL
09-26-2008, 06:25 PM
http://i516.photobucket.com/albums/u329/AutumnAngel424/boxing_gloves.gif

sbessiso
09-26-2008, 06:26 PM
Putin is such a funny word.

QFT!!!

Pixiessp
09-26-2008, 06:31 PM
:) :)

miscorrections
09-26-2008, 06:32 PM
McCain is doddering and Obama is wasting his time on defense. Poor showing.

BlueDevil50
09-26-2008, 06:33 PM
obama's voice reminds me of brian, the dog, from family guy. that's all i got.

Pixiessp
09-26-2008, 06:34 PM
I was expecting a better showdown.

Pixiessp
09-26-2008, 06:36 PM
Mc Cain is so odd. what's he storing in those cheeks?

miscorrections
09-26-2008, 06:37 PM
A pharmacy of prescriptions. They keep him alive.

sbessiso
09-26-2008, 06:38 PM
obama's voice reminds me of brian, the dog, from family guy. that's all i got.

Yo, this is so true

Pixiessp
09-26-2008, 06:38 PM
A pharmacy of prescriptions. They keep him alive.

ha ha!

BROKENDOLL
09-26-2008, 06:39 PM
Who wants a cookie? Oreo or Fig Newton? Take your pick.

matsuolost
09-26-2008, 06:39 PM
is it over?

faxman75
09-26-2008, 06:39 PM
That was depressing. I feel like my football team just lost.

Pixiessp
09-26-2008, 06:40 PM
now they are going to Topper's for pizza.

sbessiso
09-26-2008, 06:41 PM
and frozen margaritas!

BROKENDOLL
09-26-2008, 06:42 PM
Or, Metamucil?

Pixiessp
09-26-2008, 06:42 PM
ok. is it time for Coachella yet?

BROKENDOLL
09-26-2008, 06:43 PM
and frozen margaritas! "spose that counts as foreign affairs. Speaking of which...I'm gonna make peace with Mexico right now...Viva la Tequila!

Bosco
09-26-2008, 06:43 PM
somewhere out there, Nader is drinking, heavily.

Pixiessp
09-26-2008, 06:44 PM
after the Palin/Biden debate will they go out for Baked Alaska?

wmgaretjax
09-26-2008, 06:46 PM
somewhere out there, Nader is drinking, heavily.

somewhere out there, there is a real candidate for president.

BROKENDOLL
09-26-2008, 06:47 PM
after the Palin/Biden debate will they go out for Baked Alaska? LOL

Pixiessp
09-26-2008, 06:48 PM
I skipped my bike ride for this?

faxman75
09-26-2008, 06:52 PM
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_wins_debate.html?nav=rss_blog

McCain declared winner....before the debate even took place.

CHEIF SHAMAN MORRISON
09-26-2008, 06:53 PM
i dont think ive seen obama so angry before. towards the end he was givin jonny some raging glares, but, of course, he kept his cool.

Backwater
09-26-2008, 06:54 PM
How did that ever happend? I thought the media was 100% liberal.

Blinken
09-26-2008, 06:56 PM
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_wins_debate.html?nav=rss_blog

McCain declared winner....before the debate even took place.

Oh Shit that is fucking shady. I hope this gets played up by the Media.

faxman75
09-26-2008, 06:56 PM
Levi Johnston (Bristols palins baby daddy) is live blogging

Dude, I am watchin this fuckin debate and playin the most outrageous fuckin drinkin game ever. Every time McCranky says "my friends," me and my boyz do another round of Jagerbombs. Fuckin excellent right? I am gonna be totally fuckin wasted before that a-hole shuts his pie-hole. Actually, McCorpse gave me an awesome idea. I am totally suspending my marriage to Bristol until America is out of this fuckin economic shitstorm. Like, maybe her mom could get off my fuckin dick and start focusing on bigger problems, like Putin rearin his fuckin head over Alaska and shit. Hey, I just heard a fuckin bodacious knock-knock joke. Peep this:

--Knock-knock.
--Who's there?
--Ole Miss.
--Ole Miss who?
--Did you really think that ole fuck would miss the debate?

Dude, he just said "my friend" again - time to board the Jager Train.

Peace out,
L to the J


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/levi-johnston-liveblogs-t_b_129764.html

CHEIF SHAMAN MORRISON
09-26-2008, 07:43 PM
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_wins_debate.html?nav=rss_blog

McCain declared winner....before the debate even took place.

WAAAT? how is that possible?? imo all of Obama's answers were superior to McCains. FUCK YOU REPUBLICANS. i cant stand 4 more years of a republican douche. FRANCE! HERE I COME........ if mccain wins the election(god forbid)

thestripe
09-26-2008, 07:46 PM
I was hoping for a little more out of Obama, but I think he did well.

BlueDevil50
09-26-2008, 08:02 PM
nobama won't win. thank god...

sbessiso
09-26-2008, 08:08 PM
nobama won't win. thank god...

wait. does this mean.....

BlueDevil50
09-26-2008, 08:20 PM
i'm an obama hater. not much of a mccain lover, but can definitely stand him more than obama.

algunz
09-26-2008, 08:26 PM
Was there a debate? I didn't see one, certainly didn't hear one. same olde shite

suprefan
09-26-2008, 08:26 PM
i'm an obama hater. not much of a mccain lover, but can definitely stand him more than obama.

You just dont want this


http://www.worldmovesfast.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/obama_wmf.jpg

Oh and screenshots during and before the debate..


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/images/26Sep_Friday_WSJ.JPG

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/3310/screencapti7.jpg

indietron
09-26-2008, 08:53 PM
Just got done watching my recording of the debate. Overall great stuff. Heres who I think won each topic (or who I agree with most I guess)

Financial Crisis - McCain
Alternative Energy - Obama
Iraq - McCain
Pakistan - McCain
Iran - McCain
Russia - MCain
9-11/Security - Obama

So overall I think McCain was much better. He had much better arguments and the content of what he was saying was much better than Obama's. Obama had a better stage presence though, he looked more in control. However i believe its the content of what they are saying that is what really matters.

I am probably one of the few people here that isnt liberal or a Democrat, so i guess let the bashing begin...

indietron
09-26-2008, 08:54 PM
Oh by the way... that is pretty low of McCain to post those advertisements :nono

algunz
09-26-2008, 08:55 PM
Unfortunately the content in the long run means little. It's all about how you come across. And imo they both kind of fell flat in that respect.

indietron
09-26-2008, 08:58 PM
Unfortunately the content in the long run means little. It's all about how you come across. And imo they both kind of fell flat in that respect.

Sadly, thats what people base their opinion on =/

algunz
09-26-2008, 08:59 PM
You got to remember the general public ain't too smart.

indietron
09-26-2008, 09:02 PM
exactly. sad but true

algunz
09-26-2008, 09:04 PM
Is there hope for us?






Please tell me, yes.

indietron
09-26-2008, 09:07 PM
doubt it... we will see come november

algunz
09-26-2008, 09:12 PM
No, we will see come around 2010.

algunz
09-26-2008, 09:13 PM
It's fundamental.

roberto73
09-26-2008, 10:31 PM
McCain's arguments revolved around the following things: his political experience, the number of people he knows in Washington, his ability to wear bracelets, how he's tight with 9/11 families and veterans' moms, his "maverick" status, and his military experience. Zero substance to any of his answers.

I'm not claiming Obama hit a home run, but I at least felt like he was making a good-faith effort to stay on topic.

luckyface
09-26-2008, 10:32 PM
WAAAT? how is that possible?? imo all of Obama's answers were superior to McCains. FUCK YOU REPUBLICANS. i cant stand 4 more years of a republican douche. FRANCE! HERE I COME........ if mccain wins the election(god forbid)

If that isn't a reason for McCain to win, I don't know what is.

Who cares if some Internet ad says McCain wins. That is like someone declaring they won the Internet. Why get so upset over a stupid, biased ad?

humanoid
09-26-2008, 10:46 PM
I just felt like I was watching 2 lying politicians giving canned answers and saying what they thought we wanted to hear, totally unimpressed by either of them unfortunately

jazzz
09-26-2008, 10:49 PM
Just got done watching my recording of the debate. Overall great stuff. Heres who I think won each topic (or who I agree with most I guess)

Financial Crisis - McCain
Alternative Energy - Obama
Iraq - McCain
Pakistan - McCain
Iran - McCain
Russia - MCain
9-11/Security - Obama

So overall I think McCain was much better. He had much better arguments and the content of what he was saying was much better than Obama's. Obama had a better stage presence though, he looked more in control. However i believe its the content of what they are saying that is what really matters.

I am probably one of the few people here that isnt liberal or a Democrat, so i guess let the bashing begin...

McCain/Rumsfeld 2008!!

indietron
09-26-2008, 10:51 PM
hahaha

arbouler
09-26-2008, 11:10 PM
mccain just cant look at obama in the eye

9EsYbhpmjLA

jazzz
09-26-2008, 11:19 PM
mccain just cant look at obama in the eye

9EsYbhpmjLA

you think maybe he fucked his wife?

arbouler
09-26-2008, 11:25 PM
i dont know. maybe he just fucked up the entire country.

xG1aOORf8Pc

luckyface
09-26-2008, 11:29 PM
I just felt like I was watching 2 lying politicians giving canned answers and saying what they thought we wanted to hear, totally unimpressed by either of them unfortunately

Agreed. I was really hopeful at the beginning that this year's race would be different than past years, but it somehow always ends up being the same old shit.

jazzz
09-26-2008, 11:30 PM
i dont know. maybe he just fucked up the entire country.

xG1aOORf8Pc

yeah.. Obama fucking the entire country might call for his wife to get fucked by McCain... I mean even Bill Clinton would even agree.

jazzz
09-26-2008, 11:31 PM
Agreed. I was really hopeful at the beginning that this year's race would be different than past years, but it somehow always ends up being the same old shit.

exactly.

frozen pilgrim
09-27-2008, 12:47 AM
I thought that obama was just waymore comfortable. mccain looked so stressed out I thought he was going to die.
I was watchign in HD, and it actually gave an extra dimension to the experience, being able to really basically stare down the candidates yourself, look in their eyes, see the real nuances of their expressions as they spoke. I think mccain to be more conscious of avoiding catch phrases

Backwater
09-27-2008, 12:49 AM
That would be a great commercial for HD.

amyzzz
09-27-2008, 12:49 AM
I thought it was funny that Obama kept forgetting McCain's name. He called him "Tom" one time and "Jim" another time. Did no one else catch that?

McCain started out very calm and knowledgeable putting Obama on the defensive, although I remember Obama winning a couple debate points here and there...I just don't remember which ones.

jazzz
09-27-2008, 12:53 AM
I thought it was funny that Obama kept forgetting McCain's name. He called him "Tom" one time and "Jim" another time. Did no one else catch that?

McCain started out very calm and knowledgeable putting Obama on the defensive, although I remember Obama winning a couple debate points here and there...I just don't remember which ones.

The different names are a given for the two. They love to roll play a bit when away from home staying in nice 5 star hotels!

arbouler
09-27-2008, 01:52 AM
I thought it was funny that Obama kept forgetting McCain's name. He called him "Tom" one time and "Jim" another time. Did no one else catch that?

i think he meant to say tom coburn. and jim is jim lehrer.


They did it on the Medicaid prescription drug bill and we have to change the culture. Tom -- or John mentioned me being wildly liberal. Mostly that's just me opposing George Bush's wrong headed policies since I've been in Congress but I think it is that it is also important to recognize I work with Tom Coburn, the most conservative, one of the most conservative Republicans

it wouldve been funny if he purposely accidentally say "george, john, george, i'm sorry i really cant tell the difference between the two these days"

amyzzz
09-27-2008, 01:55 AM
Thanks for explaining the Jim one. oops. I was listening on the radio and missed that Jim was the moderator.

stuporfly
09-27-2008, 03:17 AM
I think it's time to stop talking about how Sarah Palin isn't qualified to be President and start talking about how John McCain isn't qualified to be President.

faxman75
09-27-2008, 05:29 AM
Agreed. I was really hopeful at the beginning that this year's race would be different than past years, but it somehow always ends up being the same old shit.


Me too, I don't know why but I thought we finally have 2 positive campaigns but they both fell into the traps of the same old fucking politics. Maybe rather than try to spread our broken idea of democracy across the fucking globe we should fix ours first.

Srsly, Lehr did his damndest to get the two to talk things out together but both candidates were like 2nd graders who didn't know how, they both would just get on their soap box and answer Lehr directly instead of converse with each other. This election is ugly and shows the dark underbelly of politics, an underbelly we all knew was there but haven't all seen before. McCains sponsoring commercials that show Obama wanting a comprehensive sex education for kindergartners and so many other flat out lies and distortions.

faxman75
09-27-2008, 05:34 AM
I don't know how but apparently there spin is so crazy many say Obama won last night. I honestly thought McCain won as he should have in a debate over foreign policy and national security, those are McCains only streangths. I didn't think Obama drilled McCain enough on the war and what his plan is now that the surge has worked. The both spent too much time dwelling on the pluses and minuses of being in Iraq rather than the future of this "war on terror".

I also like how when they get pissed off the fake smiles and laughs come into play and the more pissed the more fake it is. Obama knocking into the mic a few times was rough on the ears as well.

mountmccabe
09-27-2008, 07:40 AM
I know that how somebody does in a debate doesn't really say much towards their abilities as president. But, since it happened...

I watched it with my father. At one point he mentioned that during the 1972 campaign Nixon was asked what his plan was in regards to the Vietnam war. His response "I have a plan." That's it. He was running for president and he just wanted the American people to trust him on this one. McCain, at times, came off like this... his "I have great experience dealing with every major crisis since Beirut. I have met foreign leaders and know how to deal with them" bit. That was the bit he'd run to when he didn't know what else to say, when he didn't have an answer, when he wanted to avoid admitting his shortcomings.

Obama was visibly flustered more often; I think the bit late in the debate where he was directed to take a drink of water to calm himself down has already been mentioned.

That was the main reversal of my expectations, I expected McCain to be the hothead and instead he played the genial elder, letting Obama's distortions roll of him while Obama let McCain's distortions bother him, feeling the need to "correct the record."

I can't say who won; I agreed with more of what Obama said but that isn't remotely surprising. Neither of them really struck home, neither of them really came off as great.


[all "quotes" here are paraphrases. I have not yet seen transcripts]

arbouler
09-27-2008, 07:43 AM
yea i thought mccain won too. he was aggressive and on attack all the time. obama shouldve landed some punches late in the debate because those are the most fresh for pundits to acknowledge.

i love how mccain said, lets not talk about how we got into the war but how we get out. obama shouldve quickly said that the other day mccain was so concerned about the economy that he wanted to fire the SEC head but somehow now he doesnt wanna talk about how or why we got in the war. he shouldve said "maybe you and george bush shouldve been fired years ago"

obama missed so many opportunities to get into mccain's head it made me angry.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-27-2008, 07:44 AM
This election has now become Obama's to lose. McCain should have shined last night and he didn't do nearly as well as I expected him to do. This was his fucking field! He should have schooled Obama left and right on this but in my mind Obama went toe to toe with him. Both looked incredibly frustrated though...McCain with his pacing back and forth and Obama with those pissed off smirks. I wanted more blood though...they should give them 2 hours and just let them go at it...just like the French Presidential debates...


Disclaimer: I am not a Dem or a Rep. I am a non partisan. Moderate to the core.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-27-2008, 07:46 AM
somewhere out there, there is a real candidate for president.

your asking for too much Jared...

thestripe
09-27-2008, 08:16 AM
I know that how somebody does in a debate doesn't really say much towards their abilities as president. But, since it happened...

I watched it with my father. At one point he mentioned that during the 1972 campaign Nixon was asked what his plan was in regards to the Vietnam war. His response "I have a plan." That's it. He was running for president and he just wanted the American people to trust him on this one. McCain, at times, came off like this... his "I have great experience dealing with every major crisis since Beirut. I have met foreign leaders and know how to deal with them" bit. That was the bit he'd run to when he didn't know what else to say, when he didn't have an answer, when he wanted to avoid admitting his shortcomings.

Obama was visibly flustered more often; I think the bit late in the debate where he was directed to take a drink of water to calm himself down has already been mentioned.

That was the main reversal of my expectations, I expected McCain to be the hothead and instead he played the genial elder, letting Obama's distortions roll of him while Obama let McCain's distortions bother him, feeling the need to "correct the record."
I can't say who won; I agreed with more of what Obama said but that isn't remotely surprising. Neither of them really struck home, neither of them really came off as great.


[all "quotes" here are paraphrases. I have not yet seen transcripts]



I agree. At one point Obama was trying to correct McCain on an attack and John just kept going. Obama got pissed and told Jim to just move on with the next question. The old fucker just laughed.

captncrzy
09-27-2008, 09:55 AM
It's really ignorant to be basing the decision on who you are voting for on who did better in the debates. Debates are just giant over-publicized pissing contests. Doesn't it really come down to what issues you agree with and which ones you can't live with-and not who threw the best zingers?

Me-pro choice, pro stem cell research, not a gay basher, not a war monger, advocate for national healthcare system, against tax breaks for the rich=Obama. For me, it doesn't matter what anyone says in a debate, what matters is what issues you stand for.

bullokz
09-27-2008, 09:56 AM
Agreed.

arbouler
09-27-2008, 10:03 AM
It's really ignorant to be basing the decision on who you are voting for on who did better in the debates. Debates are just giant over-publicized pissing contests. Doesn't it really come down to what issues you agree with and which ones you can't live with-and not who threw the best zingers?

Me-pro choice, pro stem cell research, not a gay basher, not a war monger, advocate for national healthcare system, against tax breaks for the rich=Obama. For me, it doesn't matter what anyone says in a debate, what matters is what issues you stand for.

youre forgetting independents who so far arent sure who they like more. of course they vote on issues but they take certain issues more important than others to decide who they should vote for. some prolly just arent even sure if they want to vote or not.

and since now pundits say that obama is almost to the same footing as mccain, theyd be more comfortable if they vote obama. plus, he's the better economy pick.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-27-2008, 10:20 AM
It's really ignorant to be basing the decision on who you are voting for on who did better in the debates. Debates are just giant over-publicized pissing contests. Doesn't it really come down to what issues you agree with and which ones you can't live with-and not who threw the best zingers?

Me-pro choice, pro stem cell research, not a gay basher, not a war monger, advocate for national healthcare system, against tax breaks for the rich=Obama. For me, it doesn't matter what anyone says in a debate, what matters is what issues you stand for.

Yes, but as Palin has showed us...some people vote on "Oh I like that person".
That is why we have debates.

faxman75
09-27-2008, 10:51 AM
Debates are basically one last showcase for the undecideds. When you campaign for almost two years though, there aren't many undecideds left at this point but it's still a good chance to see how well they know the issues and what their plans are or what they have changed their minds on if anything. I'm a huge Obama supporter but I felt he lost last night.

The fact of the matter is we have a close election and I don't see anything changing in the next month to make this a big overwhelming win on either side. I'm expecting (hoping) Obama wins by the same margin Bush did this past election. It should come down to a state or two, a couple million votes.

Somewhat Damaged
09-27-2008, 11:22 AM
I felt like McCain came across as a doddering old man for much of the debate. There were several occasions in which he fielded a question and started rambling about some completely unrelated nonsense for what felt like 10 minutes before finally addressing the topic for a few seconds. I don't hate old people but I do hate talking to them sometimes, especially when they veer off into their "back in my day" stories, and that was exactly the way I felt about McCain numerous times last night.
I felt that while McCain may have been the more aggressive of the two, what with his constant refrain of "Senator Obama doesn't understand," Obama was better able to defend himself against the barbs than McCain was in addressing Obama's strikes, and so Obama, in my mind, came out ahead. It's not the amount of offense mounted but its effectiveness. Every time McCain stated that Obama didn't understand a topic, Obama responded level-headedly and demonstrated that he did, in fact, understand the topic. Whereas when Obama alluded to McCain's galling rendition of "Bomb Bomb Iran," as a for instance, McCain's reaction was to not even address the remark but talk jingoistically about taking care of the troops.
I guess it would have been nice if Obama had been more aggressive in taking the fight to McCain and made more of a reference to the "Bomb Bomb Iran" song, etc., and that could be the most obvious adjustment he makes in the future debates. The spin I've seen that McCain won because Obama said that he was "absolutely right" on a number of occasions is retarded because every time Obama said that, it was in reference to the opposition to or support of something (i.e. defending against nuclear proliferation, a president needing to speak prudently), which he then immediately followed up with an explanation of where their positions differed and what his actual plan was for addressing that particular situation. And this nonsense that McCain did himself a service by not looking at Obama throughout the debate because that demonstrated how ready he is to be commander in chief -- no, it showed how fucking petulant he is. He carped so many times about how he didn't win Miss Congeniality in the Senate. Geez, that's really gonna come in handy when we're trying to deal with Russia or other potentially hostile nations. Treating your opponent with a modicum of respect shouldn't be perceived as a weakness, yet that's how it's being spun even though it's precisely that kind of attitude that allowed us to flounder whatever goodwill we had in the international community following 9/11.
Whatever the case, if this was the debate that McCain was supposed to win, then this election's already over. Obama's weakness was supposed to be foreign policy, and he demonstrated that he can more than hold his own on the issue.

BROKENDOLL
09-27-2008, 01:01 PM
Somewhatdamaged, I felt the same way about the debate last nite. Well, actually, I didn't feel as much as I would have had I not been for working on my foreign exchange policy with Mexico. (Tequila!) McCain "doddered" from his very first 2 minute question. Obama may have been too polite in his reactions towards McCain's attempts to undermine him, but then, keeping his cool during McCain's attacks impressed me more than having to listen to "the Maverick" brag about all his history and experience coupled with his lack of congeniality. I'd much rather have a leader that could remain composed enough to seek a solution when the shit hits the fan, than someone blowing smoke up their own ass as the fan spins. The thought of McCain and Palin in office makes me think of Mayberry RFD on Crack.

boarderwoozel3
09-27-2008, 02:24 PM
Agreed.

Neither were awe inspiring but I felt like Obama was much more honest and straightforward. McCain totally ignored the question or prompt on a number of occasions, very irritating. It seemed like Obama stooped down to McCain's level for much of the debate, getting drawn into petty bickering. Like their exchange on who had more pork barrel spending projects. Two wealthy, powerful senators both saying the other was worse by throwing huge numbers around, lame.

McCain's position on dealing with hostile foreign leaders is ridiculous. The idea that not talking to a country as a punishment is just dumb. "You would sit down at the table with someone who wants to wipe Isreal off the face of the earth? You would sit down at the table with someone like that?" He's too stubborn and close minded. Shunning people certainly isn't going to make the situation better, there has to be dialogue. Fucking irrational old man.

RotationSlimWang
09-27-2008, 02:27 PM
From what I saw of it Obama wasn't hitting him as hard as I wanted. McCain looked better than I expected, certainly a lot better than he has in any interview. This is not to say he actually sounded good--it was all bullshit--but his delivery was better than I thought it would be. Thank god there's still another debate because Obama sure didn't clinch it with this performance.

HEY DEMOCRATS--STOP BEING PUSSIES AND FUCKING HIT THESE COCKSUCKERS, PLEASE.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-27-2008, 02:31 PM
HEY DEMOCRATS--STOP BEING PUSSIES AND FUCKING HIT THESE COCKSUCKERS, PLEASE.

see the VP debate....

rage patton
09-27-2008, 02:46 PM
When is the Palin/Biden debate? I wanna make sure I see that one.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-27-2008, 02:48 PM
this coming Thursday. Oct 2nd.

Boourns
09-27-2008, 02:48 PM
During My Bloody Valentine. Guess I'll catch it on youtube.

sbessiso
09-27-2008, 02:48 PM
Aww. sucks I'm gunna be at a Beck show instead!

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
09-27-2008, 02:49 PM
During My Bloody Valentine. Guess I'll catch it on youtube.

Was about to say....

zenidogx
09-27-2008, 03:16 PM
somebody mentioned this is Obama's election to lose. and it is.

he had his first chance during the debate and blew it. McCain impressed me. i thought he would Nixon it. but he was being a hardass and took control for a big portion of the debate. i liked how he actually answered the question about making sacrifices. other than that, they both didn't do anything different from their campaigns and they each had boring moments.

i especially liked how Obama mentioned his black father and McCain followed with his POW story. i was laughing my ass off so hard i didn't hear what the point of their stories were this time.

fatbastard
09-27-2008, 03:27 PM
Did not watch it. No interest in ever seeing what either one has to say.

humanoid
09-27-2008, 04:16 PM
From what I saw of it Obama wasn't hitting him as hard as I wanted. McCain looked better than I expected, certainly a lot better than he has in any interview. This is not to say he actually sounded good--it was all bullshit--but his delivery was better than I thought it would be. Thank god there's still another debate because Obama sure didn't clinch it with this performance.

HEY DEMOCRATS--STOP BEING PUSSIES AND FUCKING HIT THESE COCKSUCKERS, PLEASE.

I expected Obama to destroy McCain in a face to face debate, but it definitely did not turn out that way. Obama stammered and became very frustrated at times, way more that I thought he would.

The democrats do need someone with a killer instinct to kick them in the ass and help them get shit handled.

paganman7
09-27-2008, 04:21 PM
HEY DEMOCRATS--STOP BEING PUSSIES AND FUCKING HIT THESE COCKSUCKERS, PLEASE.

A fucking Men!

It's so damn difficult to watch some old sack of shit rolling over Obama the way he did. Every time McCain said, "what Obama doesn't seem to understand is..." I wanted Obama to say, "fuck you old man!". He just let McCain walk all over him like a god damn pussy!

C DUB YA
09-27-2008, 04:53 PM
McCain is still a fucking liar.

boarderwoozel3
09-27-2008, 05:30 PM
Obama started out well by saying "ten days ago Sen. McCain said the foundation of our economy is strong." Great, wonderful, grand, more of that. McCain has handed the dems so many softballs by saying dumb shit in the past two weeks.

McCain also happens to be one of the most awkward people I've seen in some time. Everything about him, arms, jaw, botoxed face, and there are all his creepy facial expressions and mannerisms. Last night his face looked particularly tight, further distorting his already charming smile.

sbessiso
09-27-2008, 05:31 PM
I couldn't stop staring at his hair, or lack of really

jazzz
09-27-2008, 05:48 PM
McCain is still a fucking liar.

They are both liars... best to have the best liar working for us.

faxman75
09-27-2008, 06:11 PM
hmm who is the better liar? McCain I would think. I don't see that as a good thing.

boarderwoozel3
09-27-2008, 06:26 PM
Seeing as we know McCain is a lair I'm going to say he's not very good at it. I don't doubt they both bend the truth but at least Obama isn't blatant.

BROKENDOLL
09-27-2008, 06:31 PM
A fucking Men!

It's so damn difficult to watch some old sack of shit rolling over Obama the way he did. Every time McCain said, "what Obama doesn't seem to understand is..." I wanted Obama to say, "fuck you old man!". He just let McCain walk all over him like a god damn pussy! Yeah, but for evrytime he said, "Obama doesn't seem to understand," he matched it with, "Well, in my 30 years, or I wasn't exactly Mr. Congeniality, or, I did this and I did that..." If his shit was as good as he claims, he would have been President a long time ago, instead of pulling this "Hail, Mary" shit now. Christ, he's almost twice as old as Obama...Of course the motherfucker is gonna have more experience...doesn't mean it was all good experience. $#@%ing Geriatric!

BROKENDOLL
09-27-2008, 06:33 PM
Seeing as we know McCain is a lair I'm going to say he's not very good at it. I don't doubt they both bend the truth but at least Obama isn't blatant. And he's still young enough to remember his claims. Lies, or not...

faxman75
09-27-2008, 07:13 PM
Im gonna say this again. Us democrats are really lucky McCain didn't pick Mike Huckabee. Fucker has his own show on Fox News. It's not bad either.

miscorrections
09-27-2008, 07:19 PM
At McCain's age, the typical human fibroblast can only go through ~30 doublings during culture. In case anyone was wondering. Clearly this means he is not fit.

arbouler
09-27-2008, 08:21 PM
this is a great reverse psyc video. i love it.

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indietron
09-28-2008, 12:37 AM
One has to remember this during a debate... Although one candidate may be constantly under attack, it only gives them the opportunity to shine. In high school i was on a debate/mock trial team, which is based in a courtroom. We learned often that being able to take attacks and refute them can easily give you more credibility than the other person just throwing arguments at you.

Obama had the perfect opportunity to throw everything back at McCain (and he did at a few points) but he did not effectively carry that out. Therefore, McCain looks that much better because Obama would get flustered and could not refute the arguments presented before him.

Backwater
09-28-2008, 01:26 AM
Go pray to Jesus.

boarderwoozel3
09-28-2008, 02:34 AM
Jebus?

Backwater
09-28-2008, 02:51 AM
No, the Jesus Christ that indietron believes in. Just like that Republican Party that indietron STILL believes in.

betao
09-28-2008, 11:00 AM
did anyone catch this?

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listen to McCain closely at around :20-:21

lawl.

captncrzy
09-28-2008, 11:03 AM
horseshit?

Yeah, he keeps his cool alright-especially when he has his own words thrown back into his face....:rolleyes

C DUB YA
09-28-2008, 12:04 PM
I hate John McCain - I didn't used to feel this way about him.

SoulDischarge
09-28-2008, 01:07 PM
Is anyone supporting third party candidates?

Backwater
09-28-2008, 04:32 PM
Is Ron Paul going to be on the ballot? I'll probably write in his name anyway.

rage patton
10-02-2008, 05:40 PM
Why aren't we using this thread?