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RotationSlimWang
09-15-2008, 04:13 PM
Not for me, amazingly, but my roommate--I had to pick him up from a DUI arrest last night at 3 am. He talked to some guy whose ad he hears on the radio a lot today and the dude had a flat rate of 3000 which he wanted up front. My roomie doesn't have a whole lot of cash flying around naturally so I told him to shop around a little, look for somebody who (a) seems like they're really smart but also (b) would maybe only want a 1500 or 2000 retainer and an hourly rate, or just a lower flat fee.

Any personal experiences, advice, names, numbers?

TomAz
09-15-2008, 04:14 PM
3000 sounds pretty reasonable actually

chairmenmeow47
09-15-2008, 04:15 PM
he should just be glad he's not in arizona.

RotationSlimWang
09-15-2008, 04:17 PM
It might very well be nowadays, but either way he should take advantage of the free consults from at least two or three of the bastards before settling on one. My recollection of lawyer's fees is based on the decade-old practices of my dad who was prone to undercharging, so I'm not really sure what the range is nowadays.

TomAz
09-15-2008, 04:22 PM
he should just be glad he's not in arizona.

yep

amyzzz
09-15-2008, 04:23 PM
breathalyzerzzz

vinylmartyr
09-15-2008, 04:25 PM
just use the public defender if its his 1st DUI.

JustSteve
09-15-2008, 04:25 PM
is it even worth fighting, though? was he way over the limit? if so, what can a lawyer even do? if it's a first offense you might as well just take it, along with the fines/costs that come along with it.

RotationSlimWang
09-15-2008, 04:28 PM
Breathalyzers can be beat in court and there might have been some Miranda issues. For whatever reason, they released him into my custody at a rest stop off the freeway--no bail or anything. Lawyers are good things to have sometimes.

Quadromarshia
09-15-2008, 04:31 PM
he should just be glad he's not in arizona.

tent city bitch!

gaypalmsprings
09-15-2008, 04:38 PM
public defender - court appointed lawyer

vinylmartyr
09-15-2008, 04:51 PM
Breathalyzers can be beat in court and there might have been some Miranda issues. For whatever reason, they released him into my custody at a rest stop off the freeway--no bail or anything. Lawyers are good things to have sometimes.


I been arrested multiple times for drug possession and I have never been read my rights. I doubt you will get very far with that. I had a roommate get 4 dui's and on the last one they suspended his license for a year. He had to spend a weekend in jail too. Not the county though. Your friend sounds like he's not really in any trouble. Especially since he was not arrested.

algunz
09-15-2008, 04:59 PM
For whatever reason, they released him into my custody at a rest stop off the freeway--no bail or anything.

For some reason this made me laugh.

gaypalmsprings
09-15-2008, 05:00 PM
Rest stop - was it public solicitation?

faxman75
09-15-2008, 05:01 PM
just use the public defender if its his 1st DUI.

This is exactly what I would recommend.

ThomThom
09-15-2008, 11:29 PM
If he wasn't arrested or booked for anything there is a huge chance that a good lawyer could easily get him off of the whole thing and save all of the stupid DUI shit you have to go through. However, I don't know of a single lawyer in town that would do it for $1,500-$2,000. My lawyer got me off on two DUI's (within 6 months) that I was arrested and booked for, each arrest I was twice the legal limit... He charges a pretty fucking penny though, I can try and get his info and pm it to you. I'm sure he wouldn't mind meeting with your friend.

RotationSlimWang
09-15-2008, 11:30 PM
If he wasn't arrested or booked for anything there is a huge chance that a good lawyer could easily get him off of the whole thing and save all of the stupid DUI shit you have to go through. However, I don't know of a single lawyer in town that would do it for $1,500-$2,000. My lawyer got me off on two DUI's (within 6 months) that I was arrested and booked for, each arrest I was twice the legal limit... He charges a pretty fucking penny though, I can try and get his info and pm it to you. I'm sure he wouldn't mind meeting with your friend.

If you could PM me the info and whatever the price range was I'm sure he'd be interested, thanks much.

See, folks? A good lawyer is invaluable.

PassiveTheory
09-16-2008, 01:12 AM
And that's why I'm going into the attorney field!






Just kidding, I want to counsel students! Doesn't that make you feel even more comfortable? =D

RotationSlimWang
09-16-2008, 01:26 AM
Sounds about par for the course. You and Gunz do an excellent job of proving my stance on teachers for me.

Mr.Nipples
09-16-2008, 02:24 AM
i have the phone number of the guy who played the retarded custodian on LA LAW if that helps?

drugks Gillespie
09-16-2008, 02:41 AM
Going with the public defender is rolling the dice. You might get a good one. There is no money better spent on that which keeps your ass out of jail. Shop around. Find a specialist in criminal or dui law. Don't go with anyone you see on TV or on the back of the yellow pages. A lot of good lawyers will take payments.
In the words of KRS-One "spend your money on lawyers if you're going to court".

BROKENDOLL
09-16-2008, 07:26 AM
Going with the public defender is rolling the dice. You might get a good one. There is no money better spent on that which keeps your ass out of jail. Shop around. Find a specialist in criminal or dui law. Don't go with anyone you see on TV or on the back of the yellow pages. A lot of good lawyers will take payments.
In the words of KRS-One "spend your money on lawyers if you're going to court".
I don't know about that. Public defenders are wanting to be recognized by their peers, I think. They want to win. Speaking from experience, (A really bad lesson.) my attorney charged $10,000, only to screw shit up. I appealed that ruling using a court appointed appellate attorney and won my appeal. Granted, that took 2 years, but had I perhaps rolled the dice and gone with a court appointed attorney to begin with, I wouldn't have sat wasting 2 years over something that was fairly obvious from the start. Seems to me that a rest stop as opposed to being picked up from a drunk tank, says alot right there for the seriousness of this deal for your friend.

vinylmartyr
09-16-2008, 09:19 AM
Going with the public defender is rolling the dice. You might get a good one. There is no money better spent on that which keeps your ass out of jail. Shop around. Find a specialist in criminal or dui law. Don't go with anyone you see on TV or on the back of the yellow pages. A lot of good lawyers will take payments.
In the words of KRS-One "spend your money on lawyers if you're going to court".



He's not going to jail anyway. I never got a DUI but if it's anything like drug court he will have to take some kind of DUI classes and pay restitution. Maybe he will be on summery probation for awhile. If the guy has the money why not get a lawyer. I think in the end though you will end up having to pay the lawyer and the courts for something the public defender does for free everyday.

bmack86
09-16-2008, 12:24 PM
DUI can have jail time depending on the level of alcohol in the system and the circumstances surrounding the stop and arrest. Also,they don't have to mirandize you for a DUI offense. I can't remember the reasoning behind that, but they do have a reason for it. Don't get the public defender. It's running a risk that your friend probably doesn't want to take. My brother has used the public defender every time he's had an alcohol related offense, and this time it might just bite him in the ass.

amyzzz
09-16-2008, 12:26 PM
My brother has used the public defender every time he's had an alcohol related offense, and this time it might just bite him in the ass.
Your brother has a problem.

bmack86
09-16-2008, 12:36 PM
Not A, multiple.

TomAz
09-16-2008, 12:49 PM
He's not going to jail anyway. I never got a DUI but if it's anything like drug court he will have to take some kind of DUI classes and pay restitution. Maybe he will be on summery probation for awhile. If the guy has the money why not get a lawyer. I think in the end though you will end up having to pay the lawyer and the courts for something the public defender does for free everyday.

dunno bout Calif but in Az there is no getting out of the jail time at all for DUI, even for a 1st offense (unless you manage to get a Not Guilty, of course). even if you get it pled down from DUI to reckless you're still looking at 24 hours in the tents.

locachica73
09-16-2008, 12:51 PM
And a year of the breath alyzer in your car, and 3 months suspended license, just on first offense and that is if it isn't an extreme DUI.

TomAz
09-16-2008, 12:54 PM
yeah except you can get out of that stuff if you have a good lawyer and weren't that drunk.

vinylmartyr
09-16-2008, 01:35 PM
We need the jail space in LA for murders and gangbangers. He's not gonna do one second of time. I would be willing to bet regardless if he gets a lawyer or not he's going to be paying restitution and be on probation. LA county needs all the money it can get. Hey but get a lawyer it can't hurt.

amyzzz
09-16-2008, 01:37 PM
Go Arizona!

locachica73
09-16-2008, 01:45 PM
Yeah but unfortunately our jails are full of drunk drivers and illegal aliens and there is no room for murderers and gang bangers lol.

chairmenmeow47
09-16-2008, 01:46 PM
Yeah but unfortunately our jails are full of drunk drivers and illegal aliens and there is no room for murderers and gang bangers lol.

don't forget the non-violent drug offenders :thu

amyzzz
09-16-2008, 01:53 PM
I don't think people should drive while they are intoxicated, period. But it would help if we had better mass-transit options in AZ if the DUI laws are so harsh.

locachica73
09-16-2008, 01:56 PM
Very true, busses stop at 10 pm, and taxi's cost an arm and a leg. I try to stick close to home so I can either cab it or risk a mile drive which is never a good plan either, usually stops occur within a mile of home. I know there have been times I have driven when I shouldn't but I usually am really good about knowing my limit and cabbing it or riding with a friend.

They do have the new service here that you can call, they send someone on a fold up scooter to where you are, they drive your car home with their scooter in the trunk and then ride the scooter home. It is a good plan but pretty spendy if you live anywhere other then tempe or scottsdale which is where they are located.

Courtney
09-16-2008, 03:52 PM
They do have the new service here that you can call, they send someone on a fold up scooter to where you are, they drive your car home with their scooter in the trunk and then ride the scooter home. It is a good plan but pretty spendy if you live anywhere other then tempe or scottsdale which is where they are located.

Oh man they had a service like that in LA, but what made it appealing was that all of the drivers were hot and British.

Although now I'm second guessing that statement, because I realize in most encounters with such a service, one might not be of the best judgment in gauging attractiveness.

JustSteve
09-16-2008, 03:53 PM
sounds like it would be fun to be on a fold up scooter when all the bars are closing and all the drunks are out on the road!? no fucking way would anyone in their right mind do that for work.

locachica73
09-16-2008, 03:54 PM
Yeah it is strange that alot of cab drivers seem attractive at 230 am, I would hate to see them in the light of day though.

locachica73
09-16-2008, 03:56 PM
sounds like it would be fun to be on a fold up scooter when all the bars are closing and all the drunks are out on the road!? no fucking way would anyone in their right mind do that for work.

They had alot of ads for it on craigslist and I remember reading a few articles about it on azcentral, but you are right, I wouldn't want to do it either, not only do I have to worry about being run off the road and killed by a drunk driver but it would totally cut into my drinking time.

BROKENDOLL
09-16-2008, 04:31 PM
Randy, did the cop actually offer your friend the opportunity to call a friend to come get him?

BROKENDOLL
09-16-2008, 04:32 PM
Wait. Would someone else please ask him that question for me, please? Thanks.

amyzzz
09-16-2008, 04:33 PM
Randy, did the cop actually offer your friend the opportunity to call a friend to come get him? ...

BROKENDOLL
09-16-2008, 04:40 PM
Thanks, Amyzzz. Nowadays, they don't fuck around with DUI's. I'm just thinking Randy's roomate probably wasn't visually considered drunk, but because of the way they rate the drinking level to be considered unable to drive, the cop let him slide past the holding tank step of the game. Seriously, if I were to drive after just 1 cocktail in an hour's time, if I got pulled over, I could technically be arrested. There's a cop in our area that will actually follow you home if you're at that stage...