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psychoc&ndy
08-18-2008, 12:04 AM
i know i ask a lot for recommendations, but the way i feel about it is that this is what coachella is for - finding new music. here's my request:
lately i've been finding that downtempo hip hop and electronica is what makes me the most happy i.e. air's moon safari (favorite album of all time), portishead's dummy, leftfield's Leftism, thievery's debut, shadow's endtroducing, pink floyd's dsotm, boards of canada's music has the right, twoism and geogaddi, and a tribe called quest's midnight merauders. at the same time though, i've always been influenced by reggae along the lines of sizzla and lee perry and i've come to see that what i seek most is a blend of all these styles. so what i've really been trying to do is get into dub and old school reggae so that i can see the roots of some of my favorite music. the only problem i have is that i have no friends or no one else to steer me in the right direction of some honest to God soulful and intuitive jamaican dub and reggae. i just feel like i don't even know where to start in the journey of experiencing dub and reggae when all i know is sizzla, perry, and marley. help me out!

thanks much, it means alot

Sushov23
08-18-2008, 12:05 AM
can someone please send me a demonoid invite.

psychoc&ndy
08-18-2008, 12:06 AM
i have a demonoid account, but i don't know how to do invites. can i do that?

Sushov23
08-18-2008, 12:08 AM
yeah you should be able to.

psychoc&ndy
08-18-2008, 12:09 AM
ok i have an invite for you, ready to paste into your inbox. please give me some dub/reggae albums to check out though first

Sushov23
08-18-2008, 12:12 AM
Prince Buster, Eek a Mouse, Toots and Maytals are old school. The Pioneers are influencial in this genre. Listen to the Wailers. There are a shitload more, let me ask my friend who is deep into this shit. I know about dub, and reggae because of this guy. I'll get back to you.

orbit
08-18-2008, 12:13 AM
jimmy cliff - the harder they come
burning spear - marcus garvey

psychoc&ndy
08-18-2008, 12:13 AM
Prince Buster, Eek a Mouse, Toots and Maytals are old school. The Pioneers are influencial in this genre. Listen to the Wailers. There are a shitload more, let me ask my friend who is deep into this shit. I know about dub, and reggae because of this guy. I'll get back to you.

pm'd before you spoke. thanks much though

psychoc&ndy
08-18-2008, 12:14 AM
jimmy cliff - the harder they come
burning spear - marcus garvey

thank you as well!

Sushov23
08-18-2008, 12:15 AM
jimmy cliff - the harder they come
burning spear - marcus garvey

yeah my buddy talks about jimmy cliff. I didn't get your PM.

psychoc&ndy
08-18-2008, 12:19 AM
let me know if you got it now, i just resent it

Sushov23
08-18-2008, 12:21 AM
still nothing.

humanoid
08-18-2008, 12:28 AM
I love Mad Professor-The Lost Scrolls of Moses

also, its more modern electronic dub, very psychedelic... but seek out the album Hallucinogen In Dub...one of the greatest albums I've ever owned

psychoc&ndy
08-18-2008, 12:30 AM
hey sushov, i've honestly sent it to you twice now in a private message. give me your email and i'll send it to you there; i'm not trying to fuck you over, as i have several demonoid invites that i never knew i had that will probably never need to give out. and what better to give out invites then to fellow coachella goers!

psychoc&ndy
08-18-2008, 12:30 AM
humanoid, thanks much

Sushov23
08-18-2008, 12:31 AM
sent, let me know if it went through.

BlackSwan
08-18-2008, 12:38 AM
Toots, for sure.
Augustus Pablo, most def.
Groundation
Midnite
The Congos
Abyssinians
Meditations
Culture
Gladiators
I-Roy
URoy
Scientist

...start with those.

orbit
08-18-2008, 12:42 AM
or you could suggest basic albums by those artists.

because, you know, people such as augustus pablo has like 20 albums.

SoulDischarge
08-18-2008, 08:32 AM
Lee Perry, King Tubby, and Augustus Pablo are the big three, and they all have fucking impossible to navigate discographies. Start out with compilations and the classic albums you hear about all the time.

Lee Perry has a whole site dedicated to recommendations for albums and radio shows and whatnot called Eternal Thunder, and even if you know some of his stuff, his catalog is still deep enough to keep exploring. I really like the 'Arkology' comp and the 'Super Ape' and 'Blackboard Jungle' albums (the latter which should be semi-familiar to fans of the Orb).

King Tubby I still haven't got entirely sorted out, but the album 'Dub From The Roots' and the compilation 'King Tubby's Special 1973-1976' are good ones.

As for Augustus Pablo, 'East Of The River Nile' and 'King Tubby Meets Rockers Uptown' are universally praised. I don't listen to them enough, but when I do, I enjoy them fully, so that's probably a good starting place.

I'm sure there's thousands of various artists collections out there of varying quality too. For some reason, there seems to be a greater influx of unnecessary/redundant dub collections than any other genre.

Wheres the beef?
08-18-2008, 08:38 AM
Toots, for sure.
Augustus Pablo, most def.
Groundation
Midnite
The Congos
Abyssinians
Meditations
Culture
Gladiators
I-Roy
URoy
Scientist

...start with those.

I'd also like to add to this crucial list:

Don Carlos
King Tubby
Jacob Miller
Hugh Mundell
Barrington Levy
Junior Reid
Max Romeo

TomAz
08-18-2008, 08:40 AM
I'm more a reggae guy than a dub guy, so consider that when reading this.


Toots and the Maytals are awesome and Funky Kingston is the place to start. That's one of my alltime favorite albums ever by anybody in any genre. Jimmy Cliff's They Harder They Come is also very good and is where many people start there excursions into classic reggae (it's not just Cliff, it's a compilation, and is worthwhile for "Johnny Too Bad" alone!)

Burning Spear's Marcus Garvey is very good, and if you look hard you may be able to find the dub version of that album called Garvey's Ghost.

anything by the Heptones or the Melodians is killer.

you might check out the Trojan Records samplers.. they have a bunch of different ones.. each one is 50 songs. www.trojan-records.com

another reggae/dub compilation I really like was put together by Jonny Greenwood (yeah, the RH guy) and is called Jonny Greenwood Is The Controller.

Peter Tosh's Equal Rights is a cool album.

Augustus Pablo is the king of dub. Linton Kwesi Johnson is a dub poet. get something by each,they're both excellent.

Wheres the beef?
08-18-2008, 08:41 AM
Lee Perry, King Tubby, and Augustus Pablo are the big three, and they all have fucking impossible to navigate discographies. Start out with compilations and the classic albums you hear about all the time.

Lee Perry has a whole site dedicated to recommendations for albums and radio shows and whatnot called Eternal Thunder, and even if you know some of his stuff, his catalog is still deep enough to keep exploring. I really like the 'Arkology' comp and the 'Super Ape' and 'Blackboard Jungle' albums (the latter which should be semi-familiar to fans of the Orb).

King Tubby I still haven't got entirely sorted out, but the album 'Dub From The Roots' and the compilation 'King Tubby's Special 1973-1976' are good ones.

As for Augustus Pablo, 'East Of The River Nile' and 'King Tubby Meets Rockers Uptown' are universally praised. I don't listen to them enough, but when I do, I enjoy them fully, so that's probably a good starting place.

I'm sure there's thousands of various artists collections out there of varying quality too. For some reason, there seems to be a greater influx of unnecessary/redundant dub collections than any other genre.


King Tubby Meets Rockers Uptown

Also songs that are really good but I don't know the albums:
King Tubby - Zion Gate Dub
King Tubby - w/ Jacob Miller - Splash Out Dub

Anything by Hugh Mundell

jigsaw
08-18-2008, 08:51 AM
Jon Holt - Police In Helicopter
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jigsaw
08-18-2008, 08:53 AM
These are my three favorite artist that I have seen live in the following order...

#1 Barrinton Levy - Here I come
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#2 Gregory Isaacs - Night Nurse
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#3 Yellow Man - Reggae Dub
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TomAz
08-18-2008, 08:56 AM
U-Roy is credited as one of the inventors of 'toasting'

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jigsaw
08-18-2008, 09:14 AM
Dennis Brown - Rub a Dub style

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Here's a dub version of that song with Sly & Robbie
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jigsaw
08-18-2008, 09:18 AM
Clinton Fearon - On The Other Side

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jigsaw
08-18-2008, 09:35 AM
o shit son! here is a wicked dub for you!
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jigsaw
08-18-2008, 09:42 AM
My personal favorite dub ever...
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TomAz
08-18-2008, 09:44 AM
this thread has gotten slightly stoopid.

jigsaw
08-18-2008, 09:49 AM
Rude boy...
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chairmenmeow47
08-18-2008, 10:05 AM
this thread has gotten slightly stoopid.

well, it is a thread about dub :p

jigsaw
08-18-2008, 10:08 AM
We be the one they calling S-T- DOUBLE O - P-I-D we be slightly stoopid baby...slightly but not completly.

rage patton
08-18-2008, 10:15 AM
I know Desmond Dekker isn't really dub... at all. But he is reggae/first wave ska and deserves to be mentioned.

chairmenmeow47
08-18-2008, 10:36 AM
I know Desmond Dekker isn't really dub... at all. But he is reggae/first wave ska and deserves to be mentioned.

RIP DESMOND!!!

jazzz
08-18-2008, 11:16 PM
ok a lot has been mentioned so... try

Adrian Sherwood
Jah Wobble
DeadBeat
NoiseShaper

maybe not so DUB but fucking great

Cedric Im Brooks & The Light Of Saba
Rico Rodriguez

OutOfmYminD
08-19-2008, 01:35 AM
Linton Kwesi Johnson, what would you even classify his music under? Whatever it is it'll bring a smile no doubt.

TomAz
08-19-2008, 06:19 AM
I know Desmond Dekker isn't really dub... at all. But he is reggae/first wave ska and deserves to be mentioned.

even though the thread title says "dub" he actually asks about "old school reggae" as well. and DD definitely worthy of mention. dem a loot dem a shoot a shanty town.

jigsaw
08-19-2008, 08:00 AM
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frozen pilgrim
08-19-2008, 08:17 AM
jigsaw, get the fuck out of here

anyways

PETER TOSH!!!!!
wanted dread & alive

such an awesome album.
check out all the wailers stuff from when marley and tosh were still working together.
peter tosh's self titled stuff is incredible as well, but the fact that the two of them started together made for probably the best couple reggae albums ever
hey- if you've got an extra demonoid invite, I sure wouldn't mind having one!

frozen pilgrim
08-19-2008, 08:19 AM
Linton Kwesi Johnson, what would you even classify his music under? Whatever it is it'll bring a smile no doubt.

dub poetry.

the album "independent intavenshan" is a great place to start with LKJ

jigsaw
08-19-2008, 08:35 AM
jigsaw, get the fuck out of here

Keep my name out of your bitchass mouth...


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jigsaw
08-19-2008, 08:40 AM
Groove Armada - Superstylin'
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TomAz
08-19-2008, 08:49 AM
jigsaw, get the fuck out of here.

frozen pilgrim
08-19-2008, 08:53 AM
seriously, jigsaw, you're one of the most disliked people on here. you're not even frustrating or annoying, you just constantly make yourself look like a moron

jigsaw
08-19-2008, 08:58 AM
seriously, jigsaw, you're one of the most disliked people on here. you're not even frustrating or annoying, you just constantly make yourself look like a moron


I don't think you have room to talk, pinky. Why don't you go threaten some women in the Roger Waters thread? Or better yet go verbally assault your beloved girlfriend.


I thought I told you to keep my name out of your mouth.

sbessiso
08-19-2008, 09:00 AM
this is getting juicy

frozen pilgrim
08-19-2008, 09:01 AM
salah, don't feed the trolls, man

sbessiso
08-19-2008, 09:03 AM
I don't really have anything against jig, but for you Pilgrim, anything

frozen pilgrim
08-19-2008, 09:04 AM
oh!
check out 'dub side of the moon' if you haven't yet. by the easy star all stars

sal, love you too, buddy

TomAz
08-19-2008, 09:13 AM
the 'reggae' that jigsaw posts is good for people who prefer plastic over handmade. who prefer lowgrade copies over originals. who prefer dogshit over actual dogs.

frozen pilgrim
08-19-2008, 09:15 AM
hell, it's good even as an analogy to something else
"...people who prefer slightly stoopid over peter tosh"

jigsaw
08-19-2008, 09:32 AM
the 'reggae' that jigsaw posts is good for people who prefer plastic over handmade. who prefer lowgrade copies over originals. who prefer dogshit over actual dogs.


You too?


Thanks for your opinion but, I wouldn't go that far. Here is the list of artist that I have posted in this thread (with videos):

John Holt
Barrington Levy
Gregory Isaacs
Yellow Man
Dennis Brown
Sly & Robbie
Clinton Fearon
Slightly Stoopid
Eek A Mouse
Sublime
Manu Chao
Groove Armada





And the "shitty" ones you're refering to have all played Coachella. : )



***Also, I have seen ever artist listed above except for John Holt, Dennis Brown, and Clinton Fearon.

frozen pilgrim
08-19-2008, 09:37 AM
neither SS nor sublime belongs on a list of 'real' reggae artists.
get over it.

jigsaw
08-19-2008, 09:51 AM
neither SS nor sublime belongs on a list of 'real' reggae artists.
get over it.

Whoever said this was a list of 'real' reggae artist and what could you possible know about sublime or slightly stoopid, kid?



Anyways I am so over you, pinky. There is no need to respond to me.

frozen pilgrim
08-19-2008, 09:53 AM
cool. now that jigsaw's out, back to the topic!










http://www.dub.com/ is actually a very cool website

humanoid
08-19-2008, 09:54 AM
is this thread about rims?

frozen pilgrim
08-19-2008, 09:54 AM
dub music, not dub magazine
I never understood that one...
maybe there's some connection through dub music and asian tuner culture?

jigsaw
08-19-2008, 09:55 AM
is this thread about rims?


twenty-two's just don't cut it anymore

jazzz
08-19-2008, 10:50 PM
dub music, not dub magazine
I never understood that one...
maybe there's some connection through dub music and asian tuner culture?

haha! dub magazine?? I never understood that either in fact it pisses me off with those fucking dub stickers on car's...

For Asian DUB-DnB Talvin Singh!

Sushov23
08-19-2008, 11:29 PM
You too?


Thanks for your opinion but, I wouldn't go that far. Here is the list of artist that I have posted in this thread (with videos):

John Holt
Barrington Levy
Gregory Isaacs
Yellow Man
Dennis Brown
Sly & Robbie
Clinton Fearon
Slightly Stoopid
Eek A Mouse
Sublime
Manu Chao
Groove Armada





And the "shitty" ones you're refering to have all played Coachella. : )



***Also, I have seen ever artist listed above except for John Holt, Dennis Brown, and Clinton Fearon.

sorry man but some of those don't count as dub or reggae. Fucking sublime? they are one of the most overrated bands ever. I like them, but highly overrated. Just because fucking slightly stoopid as fuck played Coachella does not mean they are good. While coachella is awesome some crap has made it into the lineups.

frozen pilgrim
08-20-2008, 08:47 AM
For Asian DUB-DnB Talvin Singh!

mmmm, good call!

heh every time the discussion gets into the deeper, bassier nooks of music, you always manage to impress me like this!

chairmenmeow47
08-20-2008, 08:52 AM
even though the thread title says "dub" he actually asks about "old school reggae" as well. and DD definitely worthy of mention. dem a loot dem a shoot a shanty town.

desmond is always worth a mention. i'm so sad i never got to see him :(

and i personally find dub to be boring as shit, but i love me some old school reggae. sublime and slightly stoopid do not belong in that category anywhere.

and anyone interested in old school reggae or dub needs to get some trojan box sets and start there. i wish the older recordings were in better shape, but i guess that adds to the charm :)

Wheres the beef?
08-20-2008, 08:53 AM
Oh fuck yes! One of my favorite songs. King Tubby & Soul Syndicate - Salty Dub


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Turn up the bass.

TomAz
08-20-2008, 09:03 AM
and anyone interested in old school reggae or dub needs to get some trojan box sets and start there. i wish the older recordings were in better shape, but i guess that adds to the charm :)

which ones do you have?

I have

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff4/sadecegircom/TrojanJamaicanHitsBoxSet.jpg

and

http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/prod_lrg_images/876/60556876.jpg


and wouldn't mind adding to that collection.

Wheres the beef?
08-20-2008, 09:05 AM
I don't dig the Trojan box sets. Seems like alot of the stuff done then was not as dubby as the stuff guys were turning out on the streets and playing on the soundsystems.

Hugh Mundell & Augustus Pablo - Run Revolution A Come

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chairmenmeow47
08-20-2008, 09:18 AM
which ones do you have?

I have

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff4/sadecegircom/TrojanJamaicanHitsBoxSet.jpg

and

http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/prod_lrg_images/876/60556876.jpg


and wouldn't mind adding to that collection.

i only own this one:

http://ivy.aholic.us/gallery/d/666664-1/trbcd001.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=011cd35615d66878c9071dc f39a694d0

i've listened to a few others many years ago, but that's the only one i ever bought. i would be willing to share if you are :)

jigsaw
08-20-2008, 09:22 AM
I don't dig the Trojan box sets. Seems like alot of the stuff done then was not as dubby as the stuff guys were turning out on the streets and playing on the soundsystems.

Hugh Mundell & Augustus Pablo - Run Revolution A Come

xteKSNLXHQA

A batch of the kingsblend must have made its way down to Vegas cause I am totally feeling Hugh Mundell. You are actually the only person I have ever heard mention him befor. This is some stoney ass shit right here.

jigsaw
08-20-2008, 09:57 AM
sorry man but some of those don't count as dub or reggae. Fucking sublime? they are one of the most overrated bands ever. I like them, but highly overrated. Just because fucking slightly stoopid as fuck played Coachella does not mean they are good. While coachella is awesome some crap has made it into the lineups.

Thanks but I really don’t need anyone to tell me what is “real” or "good" music, I know what I like and I know where to find it. Tell me what you like and I can judge for myself. I could care less what you don't like. All the rest of you can suck my dick, fo realas...