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menikmati
08-13-2008, 11:59 AM
I told you all.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402882,00.html

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/features_popculture_blog/2008/08/big-foot-found.html

http://www.searchingforbigfoot.com/

paulb
08-13-2008, 12:01 PM
BIGFOOT FOR COACHELLA 2009!

amyzzz
08-13-2008, 12:08 PM
I hope for your sake it's true.

menikmati
08-13-2008, 12:11 PM
I don't know though, there is always something fishy when these kinda people call for a press conference a few days later to report their findings.

Memorial_07
08-13-2008, 12:13 PM
Who Knows?

Wheres the beef?
08-13-2008, 12:16 PM
Seriously sketchy. Why is the press conference in a few days? Why not right now. And why are the pictures so fucking grainy and shitty. I can take better pictures through a dirty window.

Memorial_07
08-13-2008, 12:16 PM
can anyone else get onto cryptomundo?

Young blood
08-13-2008, 12:18 PM
viral marketing.



harry and the hendersons part 3.

amyzzz
08-13-2008, 12:18 PM
Does anyone else see pink entrails in that photo?

Mr.Nipples
08-13-2008, 12:18 PM
harry and the hendersons part 3


They made a part 2!?

Wheres the beef?
08-13-2008, 12:21 PM
Yeah man!

Harry and the Hendersons: Harry Goes To Summer Camp

rage patton
08-13-2008, 12:43 PM
I met the director of Harry and the Hendersons. He is a nice guy.

allyjoy
08-13-2008, 12:45 PM
Yeah man!

Harry and the Hendersons: Harry Goes To Summer Camp

please tell me you're kidding.

edit: nevermind. I IMDB'd it... liar liar pants on fire!

marooko
08-13-2008, 12:51 PM
BIGFOOT FOR COACHELLA 2009!

YES!! but you think sasquatch will have dibs?

fiyahhh!
08-13-2008, 12:55 PM
I don't know though, there is always something fishy when these kinda people call for a press conference a few days later to report their findings.

and why is the press conference going to be in Palo Alto? Didn't they find it in Georgia? For some reason, I always thought they would find Bigfoot in the northwest.

locachica73
08-13-2008, 12:56 PM
There was a town I visited in south eastern oregon that claimed to be the home of bigfoot, even had a bigfoot museum for all the sightings. Guess they are gonna feel silly now.

humanoid
08-13-2008, 12:58 PM
There was a town I visited in south eastern oregon that claimed to be the home of bigfoot, even had a bigfoot museum for all the sightings. Guess they are gonna feel silly now.

there are a bunch of towns in Northern California, Oregon and Washington that are very proud of their Bigfoot mythology

captncrzy
08-13-2008, 12:59 PM
It looks like a dead guy in a gorilla suit.

locachica73
08-13-2008, 01:00 PM
That is true, I can't even remember the name of the town but I am sure it can be interchanged with several other towns in the area.

paulb
08-13-2008, 01:01 PM
YES!! but you think sasquatch will have dibs?

Sassy has his own fest.... Bigfoot can have Coachella.

Boourns
08-13-2008, 01:05 PM
I hope this isn't a hoax.

marooko
08-13-2008, 01:12 PM
Sassy has his own fest.... Bigfoot can have Coachella.

thats what i mean, the fest. i know this one is BIGFOOT, but they're really one in the same.



and for the sake of bigfoots life, i hope this is a hoax.

Young blood
08-13-2008, 01:14 PM
please tell me you're kidding.

edit: nevermind. I IMDB'd it... liar liar pants on fire!

your internet skills suck ass.

"Harry and the Hendersons"
The Long Goodbyes: Part 2 (1993)

Memorial_07
08-13-2008, 01:31 PM
and why is the press conference going to be in Palo Alto? Didn't they find it in Georgia? For some reason, I always thought they would find Bigfoot in the northwest.

i thought it said Nor. Cal
or was it just two people who found it were from Nor. Cal?
and Palo Alto is in Nor. Cal.

i hate saying that

zenidogx
08-13-2008, 01:48 PM
wow! Chupacraba may be real too.

check oot this yahoo! video:
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/indexFP.php?rn=3906861&cl=9263621&ch=4226726

i'm a beleiver now in chupacraba.
i cant wait to see what the press conference reveals about Big Foot.

menikmati
08-13-2008, 01:52 PM
that's not a Chupacraba, unless a Chupacraba is a dog.

zenidogx
08-13-2008, 01:56 PM
that's not a Chupacraba, unless a Chupacraba is a dog.

i thought it was a dog or coyote with a limp. but what kind of a fucked up face did it have?

humanoid
08-13-2008, 02:03 PM
yeah the Chupacabra story is pretty lame....oh my god! Not a dog!!!


I really hope Bigfoot is real though, how awesome would that be!! If they found one alive though, he would probably star in a new MTV reality show, be an asshole attention whore, then be in rehab in 2 months...nevermind, I like the mystery better

luveebunni08
08-13-2008, 02:19 PM
well, he was in a beastie boys video. he seemed nice. don't talk crap about him on tv or he'll kidnap you and party with you in his cave.

leo01g
08-13-2008, 02:30 PM
has anyone ever seen that bigfoot show on the discovery channel? Wow

menikmati
08-13-2008, 02:34 PM
I watch Monsterquest.

leo01g
08-13-2008, 02:37 PM
yeah i think its that one. I watch it sometimes but it seems like every episode people are just disappointed at the end. Did you see the one where they were looking for bigfoot in i think it was Texas or Arkansas? That one was cool.

Young blood
08-13-2008, 02:47 PM
The Trolls Among Us
By MATTATHIAS SCHWARTZ

One afternoon in the spring of 2006, for reasons unknown to those who knew him, Mitchell Henderson, a seventh grader from Rochester, Minn., took a .22-caliber rifle down from a shelf in his parents’ bedroom closet and shot himself in the head. The next morning, Mitchell’s school assembled in the gym to begin mourning. His classmates created a virtual memorial on MySpace and garlanded it with remembrances. One wrote that Mitchell was “an hero to take that shot, to leave us all behind. God do we wish we could take it back. . . . ” Someone e-mailed a clipping of Mitchell’s newspaper obituary to MyDeathSpace.com, a Web site that links to the MySpace pages of the dead. From MyDeathSpace, Mitchell’s page came to the attention of an Internet message board known as /b/ and the “trolls,” as they have come to be called, who dwell there.

/b/ is the designated “random” board of 4chan.org, a group of message boards that draws more than 200 million page views a month. A post consists of an image and a few lines of text. Almost everyone posts as “anonymous.” In effect, this makes /b/ a panopticon in reverse — nobody can see anybody, and everybody can claim to speak from the center. The anonymous denizens of 4chan’s other boards — devoted to travel, fitness and several genres of pornography — refer to the /b/-dwellers as “/b/tards.”

Measured in terms of depravity, insularity and traffic-driven turnover, the culture of /b/ has little precedent. /b/ reads like the inside of a high-school bathroom stall, or an obscene telephone party line, or a blog with no posts and all comments filled with slang that you are too old to understand.

Something about Mitchell Henderson struck the denizens of /b/ as funny. They were especially amused by a reference on his MySpace page to a lost iPod. Mitchell Henderson, /b/ decided, had killed himself over a lost iPod. The “an hero” meme was born. Within hours, the anonymous multitudes were wrapping the tragedy of Mitchell’s death in absurdity.

Someone hacked Henderson’s MySpace page and gave him the face of a zombie. Someone placed an iPod on Henderson’s grave, took a picture and posted it to /b/. Henderson’s face was appended to dancing iPods, spinning iPods, hardcore porn scenes. A dramatic re-enactment of Henderson’s demise appeared on YouTube, complete with shattered iPod. The phone began ringing at Mitchell’s parents’ home. “It sounded like kids,” remembers Mitchell’s father, Mark Henderson, a 44-year-old I.T. executive. “They’d say, ‘Hi, this is Mitchell, I’m at the cemetery.’ ‘Hi, I’ve got Mitchell’s iPod.’ ‘Hi, I’m Mitchell’s ghost, the front door is locked. Can you come down and let me in?’ ” He sighed. “It really got to my wife.” The calls continued for a year and a half.

In the late 1980s, Internet users adopted the word “troll” to denote someone who intentionally disrupts online communities. Early trolling was relatively innocuous, taking place inside of small, single-topic Usenet groups. The trolls employed what the M.I.T. professor Judith Donath calls a “pseudo-naïve” tactic, asking stupid questions and seeing who would rise to the bait. The game was to find out who would see through this stereotypical newbie behavior, and who would fall for it. As one guide to trolldom puts it, “If you don’t fall for the joke, you get to be in on it.”

Today the Internet is much more than esoteric discussion forums. It is a mass medium for defining who we are to ourselves and to others. Teenagers groom their MySpace profiles as intensely as their hair; escapists clock 50-hour weeks in virtual worlds, accumulating gold for their online avatars. Anyone seeking work or love can expect to be Googled. As our emotional investment in the Internet has grown, the stakes for trolling — for provoking strangers online — have risen. Trolling has evolved from ironic solo skit to vicious group hunt.

“Lulz” is how trolls keep score. A corruption of “LOL” or “laugh out loud,” “lulz” means the joy of disrupting another’s emotional equilibrium. “Lulz is watching someone lose their mind at their computer 2,000 miles away while you chat with friends and laugh,” said one ex-troll who, like many people I contacted, refused to disclose his legal identity.

Another troll explained the lulz as a quasi-thermodynamic exchange between the sensitive and the cruel: “You look for someone who is full of it, a real blowhard. Then you exploit their insecurities to get an insane amount of drama, laughs and lulz. Rules would be simple: 1. Do whatever it takes to get lulz. 2. Make sure the lulz is widely distributed. This will allow for more lulz to be made. 3. The game is never over until all the lulz have been had.”

/b/ is not all bad. 4chan has tried (with limited success) to police itself, using moderators to purge child porn and eliminate calls to disrupt other sites. Among /b/’s more interesting spawn is Anonymous, a group of masked pranksters who organized protests at Church of Scientology branches around the world.

But the logic of lulz extends far beyond /b/ to the anonymous message boards that seem to be springing up everywhere. Two female Yale Law School students have filed a suit against pseudonymous users who posted violent fantasies about them on AutoAdmit, a college-admissions message board. In China, anonymous nationalists are posting death threats against pro-Tibet activists, along with their names and home addresses. Technology, apparently, does more than harness the wisdom of the crowd. It can intensify its hatred as well.

Jason Fortuny might be the closest thing this movement of anonymous provocateurs has to a spokesman. Thirty-two years old, he works “typical Clark Kent I.T.” freelance jobs — Web design, programming — but his passion is trolling, “pushing peoples’ buttons.” Fortuny frames his acts of trolling as “experiments,” sociological inquiries into human behavior. In the fall of 2006, he posted a hoax ad on Craigslist, posing as a woman seeking a “str8 brutal dom muscular male.” More than 100 men responded. Fortuny posted their names, pictures, e-mail and phone numbers to his blog, dubbing the exposé “the Craigslist Experiment.” This made Fortuny the most prominent Internet villain in America until November 2007, when his fame was eclipsed by the Megan Meier MySpace suicide. Meier, a 13-year-old Missouri girl, hanged herself with a belt after receiving cruel messages from a boy she’d been flirting with on MySpace. The boy was not a real boy, investigators say, but the fictional creation of Lori Drew, the mother of one of Megan’s former friends. Drew later said she hoped to find out whether Megan was gossiping about her daughter. The story — respectable suburban wife uses Internet to torment teenage girl — was a media sensation.

Fortuny’s Craigslist Experiment deprived its subjects of more than just privacy. Two of them, he says, lost their jobs, and at least one, for a time, lost his girlfriend. Another has filed an invasion-of-privacy lawsuit against Fortuny in an Illinois court. After receiving death threats, Fortuny meticulously scrubbed his real address and phone number from the Internet. “Anyone who knows who and where you are is a security hole,” he told me. “I own a gun. I have an escape route. If someone comes, I’m ready.”

While reporting this article, I did everything I could to verify the trolls’ stories and identities, but I could never be certain. After all, I was examining a subculture that is built on deception and delights in playing with the media. If I had doubts about whether Fortuny was who he said he was, he had the same doubts about me. I first contacted Fortuny by e-mail, and he called me a few days later. “I checked you out,” he said warily. “You seem legitimate.” We met in person on a bright spring day at his apartment, on a forested slope in Kirkland, Wash., near Seattle. He wore a T-shirt and sweat pants, looking like an amiable freelancer on a Friday afternoon. He is thin, with birdlike features and the etiolated complexion of one who works in front of a screen. He’d been chatting with an online associate about driving me blindfolded from the airport, he said. “We decided it would be too much work.”

A flat-screen HDTV dominated Fortuny’s living room, across from a futon prepped with neatly folded blankets. This was where I would sleep for the next few nights. As Fortuny picked up his cat and settled into an Eames-style chair, I asked whether trolling hurt people. “I’m not going to sit here and say, ‘Oh, God, please forgive me!’ so someone can feel better,” Fortuny said, his calm voice momentarily rising. The cat lay purring in his lap. “Am I the bad guy? Am I the big horrible person who shattered someone’s life with some information? No! This is life. Welcome to life. Everyone goes through it. I’ve been through horrible stuff, too.”

“Like what?” I asked. Sexual abuse, Fortuny said. When Jason was 5, he said, he was molested by his grandfather and three other relatives. Jason’s mother later told me, too, that he was molested by his grandfather. The last she heard from Jason was a letter telling her to kill herself. “Jason is a young man in a great deal of emotional pain,” she said, crying as she spoke. “Don’t be too harsh. He’s still my son.”

In the days after the Megan Meier story became public, Lori Drew and her family found themselves in the trolls’ crosshairs. Their personal information — e-mail addresses, satellite images of their home, phone numbers — spread across the Internet. One of the numbers led to a voice-mail greeting with the gleeful words “I did it for the lulz.” Anonymous malefactors made death threats and hurled a brick through the kitchen window. Then came the Megan Had It Coming blog. Supposedly written by one of Megan’s classmates, the blog called Megan a “drama queen,” so unstable that Drew could not be blamed for her death. “Killing yourself over a MySpace boy? Come on!!! I mean yeah your fat so you have to take what you can get but still nobody should kill themselves over it.” In the third post the author revealed herself as Lori Drew.

This post received more than 3,600 comments. Fox and CNN debated its authenticity. But the Drew identity was another mask. In fact, Megan Had It Coming was another Jason Fortuny experiment. He, not Lori Drew, Fortuny told me, was the blog’s author. After watching him log onto the site and add a post, I believed him. The blog was intended, he says, to question the public’s hunger for remorse and to challenge the enforceability of cyberharassment laws like the one passed by Megan’s town after her death. Fortuny concluded that they were unenforceable. The county sheriff’s department announced it was investigating the identity of the fake Lori Drew, but it never found Fortuny, who is not especially worried about coming out now. “What’s he going to sue me for?” he asked. “Leading on confused people? Why don’t people fact-check who this stuff is coming from? Why do they assume it’s true?”

Fortuny calls himself “a normal person who does insane things on the Internet,” and the scene at dinner later on the first day we spent together was exceedingly normal, with Fortuny, his roommate Charles and his longtime friend Zach trading stories at a sushi restaurant nearby over sake and happy-hour gyoza. Fortuny flirted with our waitress, showing her a cellphone picture of his cat. “He commands you to kill!” he cackled. “Do you know how many I’ve killed at his command?” Everyone laughed.

Fortuny spent most of the weekend in his bedroom juggling several windows on his monitor. One displayed a chat room run by Encyclopedia Dramatica, an online compendium of troll humor and troll lore. It was buzzing with news of an attack against the Epilepsy Foundation’s Web site. Trolls had flooded the site’s forums with flashing images and links to animated color fields, leading at least one photosensitive user to claim that she had a seizure.

WEEV: the whole posting flashing images to epileptics thing? over the line.

HEPKITTEN: can someone plz tell me how doing something the admins intentionally left enabled is hacking?

WEEV: it’s hacking peoples unpatched brains. we have to draw a moral line somewhere.

Fortuny disagreed. In his mind, subjecting epileptic users to flashing lights was justified. “Hacks like this tell you to watch out by hitting you with a baseball bat,” he told me. “Demonstrating these kinds of exploits is usually the only way to get them fixed.”

“So the message is ‘buy a helmet,’ and the medium is a bat to the head?” I asked.

“No, it’s like a pitcher telling a batter to put on his helmet by beaning him from the mound. If you have this disease and you’re on the Internet, you need to take precautions.” A few days later, he wrote and posted a guide to safe Web surfing for epileptics.

On Sunday, Fortuny showed me an office building that once housed Google programmers, and a low-slung modernist structure where programmers wrote Halo 3, the best-selling video game. We ate muffins at Terra Bite, a coffee shop founded by a Google employee where customers pay whatever price they feel like. Kirkland seemed to pulse with the easy money and optimism of the Internet, unaware of the machinations of the troll on the hill.

We walked on, to Starbucks. At the next table, middle-schoolers with punk-rock haircuts feasted noisily on energy drinks and whipped cream. Fortuny sipped a white-chocolate mocha. He proceeded to demonstrate his personal cure for trolling, the Theory of the Green Hair.

“You have green hair,” he told me. “Did you know that?”

“No,” I said.

“Why not?”

“I look in the mirror. I see my hair is black.”

“That’s uh, interesting. I guess you understand that you have green hair about as well as you understand that you’re a terrible reporter.”

“What do you mean? What did I do?”

“That’s a very interesting reaction,” Fortuny said. “Why didn’t you get so defensive when I said you had green hair?” If I were certain that I wasn’t a terrible reporter, he explained, I would have laughed the suggestion off just as easily. The willingness of trolling “victims” to be hurt by words, he argued, makes them complicit, and trolling will end as soon as we all get over it.

On Monday we drove to the mall. I asked Fortuny how he could troll me if he so chose. He took out his cellphone. On the screen was a picture of my debit card with the numbers clearly legible. I had left it in plain view beside my laptop. “I took this while you were out,” he said. He pressed a button. The picture disappeared. “See? I just deleted it.”

The Craigslist Experiment, Fortuny reiterated, brought him troll fame by accident. He was pleased with how the Megan Had It Coming blog succeeded by design. As he described the intricacies of his plan — adding sympathetic touches to the fake classmate, making fake Lori Drew a fierce defender of her own daughter, calibrating every detail to the emotional register of his audience — he sounded not so much a sociologist as a playwright workshopping a set of characters.

“You seem to know exactly how much you can get away with, and you troll right up to that line,” I said. “Is there anything that can be done on the Internet that shouldn’t be done?”

Fortuny was silent. In four days of conversation, this was the first time he did not have an answer ready.

“I don’t know,” he said. “I have to think about it.”

Sherrod DeGrippo, a 28-year-old Atlanta native who goes by the name Girlvinyl, runs Encyclopedia Dramatica, the online troll archive. In 2006, DeGrippo received an e-mail message from a well-known band of trolls, demanding that she edit the entry about them on the Encyclopedia Dramatica site. She refused. Within hours, the aggrieved trolls hit the phones, bombarding her apartment with taxis, pizzas, escorts and threats of rape and violent death. DeGrippo, alone and terrified, sought counsel from a powerful friend. She called Weev.

Weev, the troll who thought hacking the epilepsy site was immoral, is legendary among trolls. He is said to have jammed the cellphones of daughters of C.E.O.’s and demanded ransom from their fathers; he is also said to have trashed his enemies’ credit ratings. Better documented are his repeated assaults on LiveJournal, an online diary site where he himself maintains a personal blog. Working with a group of fellow hackers and trolls, he once obtained access to thousands of user accounts.

I first met Weev in an online chat room that I visited while staying at Fortuny’s house. “I hack, I ruin, I make piles of money,” he boasted. “I make people afraid for their lives.” On the phone that night, Weev displayed a misanthropy far harsher than Fortuny’s. “Trolling is basically Internet eugenics,” he said, his voice pitching up like a jet engine on the runway. “I want everyone off the Internet. Bloggers are filth. They need to be destroyed. Blogging gives the illusion of participation to a bunch of retards. . . . We need to put these people in the oven!”

I listened for a few more minutes as Weev held forth on the Federal Reserve and about Jews. Unlike Fortuny, he made no attempt to reconcile his trolling with conventional social norms. Two days later, I flew to Los Angeles and met Weev at a train station in Fullerton, a sleepy bungalow town folded into the vast Orange County grid. He is in his early 20s with full lips, darting eyes and a nest of hair falling back from his temples. He has a way of leaning in as he makes a point, inviting you to share what might or might not be a joke.

As we walked through Fullerton’s downtown, Weev told me about his day — he’d lost $10,000 on the commodities market, he claimed — and summarized his philosophy of “global ruin.” “We are headed for a Malthusian crisis,” he said, with professorial confidence. “Plankton levels are dropping. Bees are dying. There are tortilla riots in Mexico, the highest wheat prices in 30-odd years.” He paused. “The question we have to answer is: How do we kill four of the world’s six billion people in the most just way possible?” He seemed excited to have said this aloud.

Ideas like these bring trouble. Almost a year ago, while in the midst of an LSD-and-methamphetamine bender, a longer-haired, wilder-eyed Weev gave a talk called “Internet Crime” at a San Diego hacker convention. He expounded on diverse topics like hacking the Firefox browser, online trade in illegal weaponry and assassination markets — untraceable online betting pools that pay whoever predicts the exact date of a political leader’s demise. The talk led to two uncomfortable interviews with federal agents and the decision to shed his legal identity altogether. Weev now espouses “the ruin lifestyle” — moving from condo to condo, living out of three bags, no name, no possessions, all assets held offshore. As a member of a group of hackers called “the organization,” which, he says, bring in upward of $10 million annually, he says he can wreak ruin from anywhere.

We arrived at a strip mall. Out of the darkness, the coffinlike snout of a new Rolls Royce Phantom materialized. A flying lady winked on the hood. “Your bag, sir?” said the driver, a blond kid in a suit and tie.

“This is my car,” Weev said. “Get in.”

And it was, for that night and the next, at least. The car’s plush chamber accentuated the boyishness of Weev, who wore sneakers and jeans and hung from a leather strap like a subway rider. In the front seat sat Claudia, a pretty college-age girl.

I asked about the status of Weev’s campaign against humanity. Things seemed rather stable, I said, even with all this talk of trolling and hacking.

“We’re waiting,” Weev said. “We need someone to show us the way. The messiah.”

“How do you know it’s not you?” I asked.

“If it were me, I would know,” he said. “I would receive a sign.”

Zeno of Elea, Socrates and Jesus, Weev said, are his all-time favorite trolls. He also identifies with Coyote and Loki, the trickster gods, and especially with Kali, the Hindu goddess of destruction. “Loki was a hacker. The other gods feared him, but they needed his tools.”

“I was just thinking of Kali!” Claudia said with a giggle.

Over a candlelit dinner of tuna sashimi, Weev asked if I would attribute his comments to Memphis Two, the handle he used to troll Kathy Sierra, a blogger. Inspired by her touchy response to online commenters, Weev said he “dropped docs” on Sierra, posting a fabricated narrative of her career alongside her real Social Security number and address. This was part of a larger trolling campaign against Sierra, one that culminated in death threats. Weev says he has access to hundreds of thousands of Social Security numbers. About a month later, he sent me mine.

Weev, Claudia and I hung out in Fullerton for two more nights, always meeting and saying goodbye at the train station. I met their friend Kate, who has been repeatedly banned from playing XBox Live for racist slurs, which she also enjoys screaming at white pedestrians. Kate checked my head for lice and kept calling me “Jew.” Relations have since warmed. She now e-mails me puppy pictures and wants the names of fun places for her coming visit to New York. On the last night, Weev offered to take me to his apartment if I wore a blindfold and left my cellphone behind. I was in, but Claudia vetoed the idea. I think it was her apartment.

Does free speech tend to move toward the truth or away from it? When does it evolve into a better collective understanding? When does it collapse into the Babel of trolling, the pointless and eristic game of talking the other guy into crying “uncle”? Is the effort to control what’s said always a form of censorship, or might certain rules be compatible with our notions of free speech?

One promising answer comes from the computer scientist Jon Postel, now known as “god of the Internet” for the influence he exercised over the emerging network. In 1981, he formulated what’s known as Postel’s Law: “Be conservative in what you do; be liberal in what you accept from others.” Originally intended to foster “interoperability,” the ability of multiple computer systems to understand one another, Postel’s Law is now recognized as having wider applications. To build a robust global network with no central authority, engineers were encouraged to write code that could “speak” as clearly as possible yet “listen” to the widest possible range of other speakers, including those who do not conform perfectly to the rules of the road. The human equivalent of this robustness is a combination of eloquence and tolerance — the spirit of good conversation. Trolls embody the opposite principle. They are liberal in what they do and conservative in what they construe as acceptable behavior from others. You, the troll says, are not worthy of my understanding; I, therefore, will do everything I can to confound you.

Why inflict anguish on a helpless stranger? It’s tempting to blame technology, which increases the range of our communications while dehumanizing the recipients. Cases like An Hero and Megan Meier presumably wouldn’t happen if the perpetrators had to deliver their messages in person. But while technology reduces the social barriers that keep us from bedeviling strangers, it does not explain the initial trolling impulse. This seems to spring from something ugly — a destructive human urge that many feel but few act upon, the ambient misanthropy that’s a frequent ingredient of art, politics and, most of all, jokes. There’s a lot of hate out there, and a lot to hate as well.

So far, despite all this discord, the Internet’s system of civil machines has proved more resilient than anyone imagined. As early as 1994, the head of the Internet Society warned that spam “will destroy the network.” The news media continually present the online world as a Wild West infested with villainous hackers, spammers and pedophiles. And yet the Internet is doing very well for a frontier town on the brink of anarchy. Its traffic is expected to quadruple by 2012. To say that trolls pose a threat to the Internet at this point is like saying that crows pose a threat to farming.

That the Internet is now capacious enough to host an entire subculture of users who enjoy undermining its founding values is yet another symptom of its phenomenal success. It may not be a bad thing that the least-mature users have built remote ghettos of anonymity where the malice is usually intramural. But how do we deal with cases like An Hero, epilepsy hacks and the possibility of real harm being inflicted on strangers?

Several state legislators have recently proposed cyberbullying measures. At the federal level, Representative Linda Sánchez, a Democrat from California, has introduced the Megan Meier Cyberbullying Prevention Act, which would make it a federal crime to send any communications with intent to cause “substantial emotional distress.” In June, Lori Drew pleaded not guilty to charges that she violated federal fraud laws by creating a false identity “to torment, harass, humiliate and embarrass” another user, and by violating MySpace’s terms of service. But hardly anyone bothers to read terms of service, and millions create false identities. “While Drew’s conduct is immoral, it is a very big stretch to call it illegal,” wrote the online-privacy expert Prof. Daniel J. Solove on the blog Concurring Opinions.

Many trolling practices, like prank-calling the Hendersons and intimidating Kathy Sierra, violate existing laws against harassment and threats. The difficulty is tracking down the perpetrators. In order to prosecute, investigators must subpoena sites and Internet service providers to learn the original author’s IP address, and from there, his legal identity. Local police departments generally don’t have the means to follow this digital trail, and federal investigators have their hands full with spam, terrorism, fraud and child pornography. But even if we had the resources to aggressively prosecute trolls, would we want to? Are we ready for an Internet where law enforcement keeps watch over every vituperative blog and backbiting comments section, ready to spring at the first hint of violence? Probably not. All vigorous debates shade into trolling at the perimeter; it is next to impossible to excise the trolling without snuffing out the debate.

If we can’t prosecute the trolling out of online anonymity, might there be some way to mitigate it with technology? One solution that has proved effective is “disemvoweling” — having message-board administrators remove the vowels from trollish comments, which gives trolls the visibility they crave while muddying their message. A broader answer is persistent pseudonymity, a system of nicknames that stay the same across multiple sites. This could reduce anonymity’s excesses while preserving its benefits for whistle-blowers and overseas dissenters. Ultimately, as Fortuny suggests, trolling will stop only when its audience stops taking trolls seriously. “People know to be deeply skeptical of what they read on the front of a supermarket tabloid,” says Dan Gillmor, who directs the Center for Citizen Media. “It should be even more so with anonymous comments. They shouldn’t start off with a credibility rating of, say, 0. It should be more like negative-30.”

Of course, none of these methods will be fail-safe as long as individuals like Fortuny construe human welfare the way they do. As we discussed the epilepsy hack, I asked Fortuny whether a person is obliged to give food to a starving stranger. No, Fortuny argued; no one is entitled to our sympathy or empathy. We can choose to give or withhold them as we see fit. “I can’t push you into the fire,” he explained, “but I can look at you while you’re burning in the fire and not be required to help.” Weeks later, after talking to his friend Zach, Fortuny began considering the deeper emotional forces that drove him to troll. The theory of the green hair, he said, “allows me to find people who do stupid things and turn them around. Zach asked if I thought I could turn my parents around. I almost broke down. The idea of them learning from their mistakes and becoming people that I could actually be proud of . . . it was overwhelming.” He continued: “It’s not that I do this because I hate them. I do this because I’m trying to save them.”

Weeks before my visit with Fortuny, I had lunch with “moot,” the young man who founded 4chan. After running the site under his pseudonym for five years, he recently revealed his legal name to be Christopher Poole. At lunch, Poole was quick to distance himself from the excesses of /b/. “Ultimately the power lies in the community to dictate its own standards,” he said. “All we do is provide a general framework.” He was optimistic about Robot9000, a new 4chan board with a combination of human and machine moderation. Users who make “unoriginal” or “low content” posts are banned from Robot9000 for periods that lengthen with each offense.

The posts on Robot9000 one morning were indeed far more substantive than /b/. With the cyborg moderation system silencing the trolls, 4chan had begun to display signs of linearity, coherence, a sense of collective enterprise. It was, in other words, robust. The anonymous hordes swapped lists of albums and novels; some had pretty good taste. Somebody tried to start a chess game: “I’ll start, e2 to e4,” which quickly devolved into riffage with moves like “Return to Sender,” “From Here to Infinity,” “Death to America” and a predictably indecent checkmate maneuver.

Shortly after 8 a.m., someone asked this:

“What makes a bad person? Or a good person? How do you know if you’re a bad person?”

Which prompted this:

“A good person is someone who follows the rules. A bad person is someone who doesn’t.”

And this:

“you’re breaking my rules, you bad person”

There were echoes of antiquity:

“good: pleasure; bad: pain”

“There is no morality. Only the right of the superior to rule over the inferior.”

And flirtations with postmodernity:

“good and bad are subjective”

“we’re going to turn into wormchow before the rest of the universe even notices.”

Books were prescribed:

“read Kant, JS Mill, Bentham, Singer, etc. Noobs.”

And then finally this:

“I’d say empathy is probably a factor.”

Wheres the beef?
08-13-2008, 02:57 PM
tl;dr


also.... /b/ has done worse but the "an hero" meme is pretty good

Young blood
08-13-2008, 02:58 PM
Im going along the lines of, the big foot thing is a tarp. Dont get caught under it.

Wheres the beef?
08-13-2008, 03:02 PM
Im going along the lines of, the big foot thing is a tarp. Dont get caught under it.

http://www.cwinters.com/images/blog/its_a_trap.jpg

Mr.Nipples
08-13-2008, 03:12 PM
QsiJirJOUSs&hl=en&fs=1

Young blood
08-13-2008, 03:19 PM
SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNNNNDAYYYYY!

Young blood
08-13-2008, 03:21 PM
ohp_nmI_TFA&feature

Young blood
08-13-2008, 03:33 PM
fucking awesome. The commentary towards the end is the best.
y2pO8YRxl_Q

menikmati
08-13-2008, 03:34 PM
ohp_nmI_TFA&feature

haha

Bosco
08-13-2008, 07:34 PM
fucking awesome. The commentary towards the end is the best.
y2pO8YRxl_Q

haha oh my. I only wish I could unleash like that.



Looks like bigfoot has a good taste in music too...
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b227/bosco40986/teenagecaveman.gif

All That I Am
08-13-2008, 08:51 PM
So everyone is just gonna forget about the Montauk monster now?
http://gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2008/07/IMG_1883_3_.JPG

Roadkillhighway951
08-14-2008, 09:42 AM
bigfoot, yetti, sasquatch, in the The 3 Amigos the mountain region edition, coming soon to dvd

bug on your lip
08-14-2008, 12:21 PM
you know what they say about big feet

bug on your lip
08-14-2008, 12:25 PM
that's what she said

captncrzy
08-14-2008, 02:20 PM
fucking awesome. The commentary towards the end is the best.
y2pO8YRxl_Q

For some reason, that reminded me of this:

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/StRcefkQl4M&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/StRcefkQl4M&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

boarderwoozel3
08-14-2008, 02:33 PM
So two hunters in ass-backwards rural GA found bigfoot? Rrrrrrrriiiiiggggggghhhhhtttttt..............






Really though... such bullshit.

Blinken
08-15-2008, 01:11 PM
Here is the picture of the body from CNN.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/US/08/14/bigfoot.body/art.thawedcreature.cnn.jpg

iv3rdawG
08-15-2008, 01:18 PM
So.. nothing was shown at the press conference, except for this:

4p22BGJ6dXU

Memorial_07
08-15-2008, 01:32 PM
that video is too ridiculous.

jigsaw
08-15-2008, 01:34 PM
I used to love Bigfoot but he has just gotten way too much airplay. He is a total sellout. First Radiohead and now Bigfoot, FTW!

downingthief
08-15-2008, 01:45 PM
http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/

Bigfoot’s First Press Conference
Posted: 04:18 PM ET
I just watched the coming-out party for Bigfoot at a news conference in Palo Alto, California. Bigfoot did not attend. The participants included a publicist; veteran Bigfoot hunter Tom Biscardi; and the two alleged discoverers of a Bigfoot carcass in the state of Georgia — prison guard Rick Dyer and police officer Matthew Whitton.

Biscardi showed a photo of the tongue and teeth of Bigfoot and an indiscernible photo of another Bigfoot said to be alive and walking away from the camera. That’s it. They released a purported DNA result, although it was uncertain if the DNA info was supposed to be compared to other primates (it certainly couldn’t be compared to other Bigfoot — or is it Bigfeet?).

Audio quality for the press conference was poor; there was no explanation of why the announcement would be made thousands of miles away from Bigfoot’s location (he’s in a freezer, somewhere here in the Atlanta area), but there was an assertion that access to Bigfoot would be very selective.

Biscardi, the professional Bigfoot hunter, did most of the talking. He promised to involve credentialed scientists, and dropped the name of Richard Klein, a Stanford University anthropologist. Dr. Klein was conveniently out of town, even though the press conference was held down the block from Stanford. I’ve left him a message inquiring if he’s really involved with this.

The whole affair had a familiar ring to it:

Nearly six years ago, there was a media frenzy around the reports of the first cloned human. “Eve” was born the day after Christmas, fortuitously appearing during a dependably slow news week. Who unveiled that fantastic development? A cultish group called the Raelians, who believe that space aliens created life on earth, and who said a second cloned baby was on the way. But after a barrage of skeptical questions and a refusal by the Raelians to show us the baby or allow outside inspection (citing respect for privacy — not exactly a logical follow-up step if you’ve just held multiple press conferences), the Raelians disappeared. So did talk of a second baby, and the first baby hasn’t been seen to this day.

The Bigfoot hunters, Biscardi, Dyer, and Whitton, certainly aren’t cultists. Whitton and Dyer seemed like nice Georgia boys. But they’re following a time-honored tradition of hucksterism, for which there’s a voracious public appetite.

Okay, boys. Show us the proof. Let the experts establish the proof, and the stage is yours. Otherwise, put a sock in it, and go hide in the woods. Maybe you’ll grow into a legend.

corbo
08-15-2008, 03:57 PM
So.. nothing was shown at the press conference, except for this:

4p22BGJ6dXU

very touching. even more so than the similar lion youtube vid.

Memorial_07
08-15-2008, 04:41 PM
I used to love Bigfoot but he has just gotten way too much airplay. He is a total sellout. First Radiohead and now Bigfoot, FTW!

For real!
Who's next?
Metallica?

bluemamba
08-15-2008, 05:06 PM
Fuck Metallica!! .......... BIGFOOT!!!!!!

Ardentbiscuit
08-15-2008, 05:15 PM
This really bums me out that Bigfoot is dead. I guess the rumors about him DJ ing in the Do Lab next year were false. :(

bluemamba
08-15-2008, 05:18 PM
He was one of the main reasons im going to coachella 09.

Mr.Nipples
08-15-2008, 05:26 PM
-NNb1pgQlQo&hl=en&fs=1

All That I Am
08-15-2008, 10:41 PM
http://kscakes.com/LolCats/LolCatRenderer2.aspx?top=&bottom=I+TOLD+YALL!&size=60&imagename=told+yall.jpg&front=%23ffffff&back=%23000000&opacity=255&fontfamily=Impact&dropshadow=False&outline=True&motivational=False&bold=False&underline=False&italic=False&imagesize=default&topalign=Left&bottomalign=Center

fiyahhh!
08-16-2008, 11:04 AM
I didn't know Bigfoot was part 'possum.

jackstraw94086
08-17-2008, 08:12 PM
you people are idiots. bigfoot was exposed as a hoax after the dude who first started the rumors and planted the footprints died. It was like 10 years ago. His family waited until he was dead to admit it.

boarderwoozel3
08-17-2008, 08:25 PM
What are you talking about? Where in this thread does anyone take this JV hoax seriously.

microlovebeat
08-17-2008, 08:25 PM
you madam, are the idiot.

bluemamba
08-18-2008, 12:02 AM
I want a pic of this Big foot.

boarderwoozel3
08-18-2008, 12:04 AM
I want a pic of this Big foot.

See post #49 in this thread.

bluemamba
08-18-2008, 12:10 AM
See post #49 in this thread.

I was thinking more of like him standing out in the woods waving his hand or humping a tree. Not all chopped up and ready to be ingested.

boarderwoozel3
08-18-2008, 12:16 AM
Thats all those rednecks have produced. Well that ans some DNA that turned out to be mixed human, possum, and unidentified.

BROKENDOLL
08-18-2008, 12:40 AM
I was thinking more of like him standing out in the woods waving his hand or humping a tree. Not all chopped up and ready to be ingested. This is Bigfoot on vacation at LochNess, I believe in 1982...http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w18/1BROKENDOLL/bigfoot.jpg

Sushov23
08-18-2008, 02:39 AM
what the fuck?

BROKENDOLL
08-18-2008, 06:47 AM
This is Bigfoot on vacation at LochNess, I believe in 1982...http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w18/1BROKENDOLL/bigfoot.jpg


what the fuck? Okay, maybe I was wrong...and maybe his feet aren't the only big thing he's got?

menikmati
08-18-2008, 09:45 AM
you people are idiots. bigfoot was exposed as a hoax after the dude who first started the rumors and planted the footprints died. It was like 10 years ago. His family waited until he was dead to admit it.

You fully sure about that? Because Robert Grimlin still goes around talking about how it was real and not a hoax to him, and I thought Patterson always swore it was real to him too, prior to his death?

Roadkillhighway951
08-18-2008, 10:36 AM
big foot use to have normal amount of hair, until someone introduced him to rogaine, experts says they had found needles with traces of rogaine in them. so is bigfoot a rogaine addict what are ur thoughts?

bluemamba
08-18-2008, 05:14 PM
Robert Grimlin made lots of claims that he saw and had an encounter with the real Big Foot. He was taken under F.B.I. custody after that. After that i dont really know what happend to him.

menikmati
08-21-2008, 01:17 PM
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20080819/twl-hoaxed-bigfoot-is-made-of-rubber-3fd0ae9.html

SFChrissy
08-21-2008, 01:21 PM
SUCKAHHH!!!

BlackSwan
08-21-2008, 01:28 PM
BIGFOOT FOR COACHELLA 2009!

as long as it's a DJ SET.

bluemamba
08-21-2008, 07:11 PM
Big Foot for Stagecoach. Some of the people that show up for that actually look like him.

frozen pilgrim
08-21-2008, 09:10 PM
shit, I thought this was another 9/11 conspiracy thread

JustSteve
08-22-2008, 08:28 AM
haha, one of the guys was a cop and ended up getting fired for this hoax...dumbass.

from cnn:

ATLANTA, Georgia (Aug. 21) -- The two men who claimed to have found the carcass of Bigfoot have surfaced to say: Hey, it was just a joke.
Not everyone is laughing.
In an exclusive interview with CNN affiliate WSB, the two hoaxers -- car salesman Rick Dyer and now-fired police officer Matt Whitton -- said the whole situation began as a joke and then got out of hand.

Two Georgia men last week revealed images that they said showed a Bigfoot corpse they had found. Here, the photo purportedly showed the creature's mouth. It was later discovered to be a hoax.

"It's just a big hoax, a big joke," Dyer said.
"It's Bigfoot," Dyer explained. "Bigfoot doesn't exist."
Whitton chimed in: "All this was a big joke. It got into something way bigger than it was supposed to be."
At a news conference in California last week, the two men had stood by their claims that they had discovered Bigfoot's corpse and had it on ice. Scientific analysis would prove it, they said.
Not quite.
Now the two Georgia men admit that the hairy, icy blob was an Internet-purchased Sasquatch costume stuffed with possum roadkill and slaughterhouse leftovers.
Whitton and Dyer say that when they came up with the hoax, they had no idea it would become a media circus.
"It got legs and ran. It's crazy now," Dyer told WSB.
Co-hoaxer Whitton agrees: "It started off as some YouTube videos and a Web site. We're all about having fun."
"Fun" isn't exactly how Clayton County Police Chief Jeff Turner sees it. He has kicked Whitton off the police force.
"He lied on national TV," Turner says of Whitton, "so a defense attorney now could say, 'How do we know you're not lying now?' "
Whitton and Dyer had announced that they had found the body of a 7-foot-7-inch, 500-pound half-ape, half-human creature while hiking in the north Georgia mountains in June. They also said they had spotted about three similar living creatures.
Still unclear is how much money Whitton and Dyer got out of the hoax.
Steve Kulls, who maintains the SquatchDetective Web site and hosts a similarly named Internet radio program, first interviewed Dyer on July 28 for the radio program. On August 12, Kulls said, Dyer and Whitton "requested an undisclosed sum of money as an advance, expected from the marketing and promotion."
Two days later, after signing a receipt and counting the money, Dyer and Whitton showed the Searching for Bigfoot team the freezer containing what they claimed was the carcass: "Something appearing large, hairy and frozen in ice," Kulls wrote on the Web site.
It was, as many had suspected, an ape-like costume stuffed with entrails.
After the news conference last week, Dyer and Whitton disappeared from view. The truth came out over the weekend.
In a Web posting this week, Kulls wrote that "action is being instigated against the perpetrators."
The two hoaxers have hired attorney Steve Lister to represent them.
"There have been some threats made to them for both civil and criminal prosecution," Lister said.
The attorney says the Bigfoot incident "got out of hand."
Dyer, asked whether he ever thought that the hoopla had become more than just a joke, implied that everyone should have known it was a hoax.
"Well, we told 10 different stories," he said. "Everyone knew we were lying."

marooko
08-22-2008, 08:32 AM
"It got legs and ran. It's crazy now,"

damn funny.

All That I Am
08-22-2008, 09:45 PM
Soooooo your saying that Bigfoot is still alive!

J~$$$$
10-14-2010, 10:36 AM
But, according a September 13 press release for the book Challenges of Change by retired NORAD officer Stanley A. Fulham, he predicted that a fleet of UFOs would descend upon Earth's major cities on Wednesday, October 13.


UFOs Spotted Over NYC Prompt Panic, 911 Calls
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/wpix-ufo-sighting,0,2283967.story


???????????? !

menikmati
10-14-2010, 10:40 AM
This is for cryptozoology, not balloons.

J~$$$$
10-14-2010, 10:42 AM
What if bigfoot is holding on to one of the "balloons"?

menikmati
10-14-2010, 10:43 AM
Those are probably the same balloons obzen saw many years ago.

TomAz
10-14-2010, 10:44 AM
I wonder if those were the same guys that were in Mongolia last week.

Mr.Nipples
10-14-2010, 10:53 AM
funny thing is, the FAA is still classifying those objects as UFO's. if they were balloons, they would be identified as such with minutes.

obzen
10-14-2010, 10:59 AM
Those are probably the same balloons obzen saw many years ago.

Once again, it wasn't balloons.


You know, shit actually cracks when you're not around, menik. Just because you weren't around to see it doesn't mean it wasn't an inexplicable phenomenon.

weeklymix
10-14-2010, 11:02 AM
funny thing is, the FAA is still classifying those objects as UFO's. if they were balloons, they would be identified as such with minutes.

This. Yeah you'd think even if it was something terrifying the FAA would still classify them as weather balloons. The fact they haven't denounced these claims is pretty interesting.

bballarl
10-14-2010, 01:03 PM
We're all going to die. Where's Will Smith?

marooko
10-14-2010, 01:09 PM
MY KID IS MISSING!!

Mr.Nipples
10-14-2010, 01:12 PM
hbONIQfQmDU?fs=1

menikmati
10-19-2010, 08:39 PM
Today marked the 43rd anniversary of the filming of this:

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/images/mk_davis_pgf2.gif

obzen
10-19-2010, 09:09 PM
The Robert Patterson footage?

So let me get this straight, you believe Bigfoot is real?

menikmati
10-19-2010, 09:31 PM
You're gonna tell me it's fake and that it's some dude dressed up in a suit?

obzen
10-19-2010, 09:32 PM
I'm asking if you think there's really Bigfoot.

Gribbz
10-19-2010, 09:34 PM
Pretty sure the dude was on his death bed and admitted it was fake.

menikmati
10-19-2010, 09:42 PM
Yes, I really do believe there is a bigfoot creature out there (most likely in the Pacific Northwest somewhere). I know to some people that may sound far fetched, and maybe rightfully so since it seems like anybody involved in the "search for bigfoot" seems to be an extremely shady individual, and all the related websites out there seem to have the shittiest html coding in existence and are packed with low res images left and right, but how do you explain different evidence throughout the years from footprint castings, hair samples, and video/film footage? Yes, I know about 98% of the stuff is a hoax usually, but I do believe (the patterson footage included) there is strong evidence out there to suggest that "it" does exist. There's just too many cases and reports made each year, and have been for years (dating back over 100 years) to brush this off as nothing.

menikmati
10-19-2010, 09:45 PM
Pretty sure the dude was on his death bed and admitted it was fake.

I think that in itself is a myth.

humanoid
10-19-2010, 09:52 PM
I so want Bigfoot to exist...I don't necessarily feel that it's likely, i feel that by now there would have been some sort of irrefutable evidence...but unexplained stories like that are captivating and a world devoid of mystery is a little boring

menikmati
10-19-2010, 10:01 PM
I believe in the Yeti as well. I can watch this stuff all day.

75cYxUOc59o

obzen
10-19-2010, 10:39 PM
Yes, I really do believe there is a bigfoot creature out there (most likely in the Pacific Northwest somewhere). I know to some people that may sound far fetched, and maybe rightfully so since it seems like anybody involved in the "search for bigfoot" seems to be an extremely shady individual, and all the related websites out there seem to have the shittiest html coding in existence and are packed with low res images left and right, but how do you explain different evidence throughout the years from footprint castings, hair samples, and video/film footage? Yes, I know about 98% of the stuff is a hoax usually, but I do believe (the patterson footage included) there is strong evidence out there to suggest that "it" does exist. There's just too many cases and reports made each year, and have been for years (dating back over 100 years) to brush this off as nothing.

That's great, menik. I'm sure if you ever happen to miraculously have a Sasquatch encounter (or two) of your own in the future, I suppose it wouldn't be too hard for you to comprehend where I stand concerning UFOs; the two are congruent in many ways.

Only I wouldn't mock you on the sly by dismissively undermining your acuity because frankly, I don't particalurly have a hard-on for needlessly acting like a dick on the innernetz just because I'm not easily amused...

and also because I happen to believe the Patterson footage is legitimate.

menikmati
10-20-2010, 10:37 AM
Ok, I knew you would relate this to the UFO debate. Now I'm not saying I don't believe in UFO's (I do in fact), but do I believe that in this day and age (let's just say the last 50 years) that an alien craft (meaning a craft not from Earth - not some Government prototype) has approached Earth and entered our atmosphere without being detected, seen on a large scale by many masses of people, and leave without a trace? No I don't believe in that. We have technology and scientists who can spot asteroid movements from millions of miles away and predict their movements and behaviors YEARS into the future. We have technology that can keep track of every single piece of space debris that orbits our planet (right down to tiny paint chips)...so how can alien craft enter into our planet, do whatever they do, and then leave, and basically have no one know nothing about it? That's all I'm asking. The only reasonable explanation to that would be that Government agencies do know about them, but don't speak up and just keep quiet about it to not scare or increase the public's knowledge about them, except the only problem with that (which is the same problem that plagues the "government did 9/11 conspiracies") is that you would have to expect everyone involved to remain tight lipped about it and never mention it to anyone, which is just absurd and would never happen.

That said, I do believe there are crafts and ships out there are government prototypes that they test out in the middle of the night or somewhere in bum fuck Egypt that no one knows anything about except those involved, and those too fall under the category of UFOs (unidentified flying objects)...but I don't think there are masses of these crafts out there, which is why I think when someone sees lights passing by in the middle of the night and they believe it to be some secret ship related to the Government, it's probably most of the time just a B-2 or something passing by.

discobotica
10-20-2010, 11:07 AM
Ok, I knew you would relate this to the UFO debate. Now I'm not saying I don't believe in UFO's (I do in fact), but do I believe that in this day and age (let's just say the last 50 years) that an alien craft (meaning a craft not from Earth - not some Government prototype) has approached Earth and entered our atmosphere without being detected, seen on a large scale by many masses of people, and leave without a trace? No I don't believe in that. We have technology and scientists who can spot asteroid movements from millions of miles away and predict their movements and behaviors YEARS into the future. We have technology that can keep track of every single piece of space debris that orbits our planet (right down to tiny paint chips)...so how can alien craft enter into our planet, do whatever they do, and then leave, and basically have no one know nothing about it?

wormholes dude.........wormholes............

lul3_ZH8xU0

obzen
10-20-2010, 02:29 PM
Now I'm not saying I don't believe in UFO's (I do in fact), but do I believe that in this day and age (let's just say the last 50 years) that an alien craft (meaning a craft not from Earth - not some Government prototype) has approached Earth and entered our atmosphere without being detected, seen on a large scale by many masses of people, and leave without a trace? No I don't believe in that. We have technology and scientists who can spot asteroid movements from millions of miles away and predict their movements and behaviors YEARS into the future. We have technology that can keep track of every single piece of space debris that orbits our planet (right down to tiny paint chips)...so how can alien craft enter into our planet, do whatever they do, and then leave, and basically have no one know nothing about it? That's all I'm asking.

Granted all UFOs don't necessarily have to be extraterrestrial (it should go without saying, really) but assuming that some of them are indeed extraterrestrial, who's to say those UFO's aren't technologically advanced enough to elude radar detection all together? In order to get here in the first place they would obviously have to be advanced enough for interstellar or interdimensional travel even, why not optimal stealth capabilities? Humankind in it's own technolgical adolescnence has already attained stealth tech., and does one ever wonder where that (or for that matter, fiber optics, night-vision, kelvar, resonant frequency disruptor tech.) could've come from to begin with? I, for one, do.


That said, I do believe there are crafts and ships out there are government prototypes that they test out in the middle of the night or somewhere in bum fuck Egypt that no one knows anything about except those involved, and those too fall under the category of UFOs (unidentified flying objects) but I don't think there are masses of these crafts out there, which is why I think when someone sees lights passing by in the middle of the night and they believe it to be some secret ship related to the Government, it's probably most of the time just a B-2 or something passing by.

Hahaha...I know this is an indirect jab at the first instance I described to you which occured in Belen, NM. I'll reiterate to you again, menik, the big black triangle (which, unlike a stealth bomber, wasn't obtuse in it's form but rather equidistant in it's dimensions) was easily as big or bigger than the length of a football field; it was clearly not a B-2 Spirit (and the last time I checked, a frenetically-flying blue orb looks nothing like a plane/helicopter/bird/ballon/gas cloud/satellite/bigfoot etc. either).

Look, I'm not asking you to believe in the existence of aliens or even to believe my personal account of a real event (which, in both instances, wasn't expierenced by me alone), but I think you could at least give some credence to my cognizance...even if I am a total (albeit sincere) stranger.

obzen
10-20-2010, 02:32 PM
It should be said that I don't know if there are really aliens visiting us, because I for one have never seen an alien up close, but I have seen things up close (relatively) that are quite frankly unexplainable that could denote intelligent life beyond our own.

Alchemy
02-01-2011, 04:24 PM
SrmPTnhaHzs


Two witnesses who happened to be at the Armon Hanatziv panoramic lookout over Mount Zion and the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, Israel at 1am managed to film what might be one of the most interesting UFO clips ever captured (see video above). The sighting took place only yesterday on the morning of the 28th of January.
The men notice the large ball shaped UFO suspended in the night sky and begin to film. At a little after one minute into the clip the UFO descends almost to ground level directly over the Temple Mount. The craft hovers there for a short while and then flickers and shoots upwards at an incredible speed, to the shock of the witnesses.

They have arrived!

discobotica
02-01-2011, 04:30 PM
^ that was a cool ass vid! thank you for posting!!!

menikmati
02-01-2011, 04:41 PM
Always funny that pretty much every video of any "UFO" out there is crappy and unwatchable.

Stickjohn
02-01-2011, 04:45 PM
think of them as bootlegs?

menikmati
02-01-2011, 04:50 PM
You could, but even audience recorded audio bootlegs have got to the point, that with the right equipment, which a lot of people have, they sound fantastic (sometimes even better than soundboard rips)...you would think the same could apply to someone video recording events like this, but nope...

Mr.Nipples
02-01-2011, 05:08 PM
yeah i carry a red one camera everywhere with me just so i can film UFO's

Alchemy
02-01-2011, 05:29 PM
rY2FFEufsuY

These people either suck at acting or they have the worst reaction to aliens. This is a hilarious video.

discobotica
02-01-2011, 05:30 PM
yeah i carry a red one camera everywhere with me just so i can film UFO's

"like"

obzen
02-01-2011, 10:25 PM
SrmPTnhaHzs

They have arrived!


This seems very much like the aforementioned blue orb I witnessed in the summer of 2005.

menikmati
02-01-2011, 10:38 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yc1OJLJZ8ec/TJEOUMiNzyI/AAAAAAAANCE/2P5o6Tf2R1A/s320/Image9.gif

heyeric
02-01-2011, 10:51 PM
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http://bluraymedia.ign.com/bluray/image/article/967/967859/strange-wilderness-20090330025525700-000.jpg

menikmati
02-03-2011, 09:15 AM
Anyone catch History Channel's "Bigfoot: The Definitive Guide" 2 hour show? I watched most of it (recorded the rest)....had a lot of great theories, and some new eyewitness accounts I hadn't heard before.

J~$$$$
03-24-2011, 09:48 AM
Holy sheeeit its da dang bigfoots dun run infront of mah rig.

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Gribbz
03-24-2011, 09:57 AM
"Who would steal 30 bags of lunch?"

menikmati
10-21-2011, 01:18 PM
Yesterday marked the 44th anniversary of this:

http://thedavisreport.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/fullcolorpattersonfilmwalkacross.gif

marooko
10-21-2011, 01:24 PM
I don't that that gif was made that long ago.

J~$$$$
10-21-2011, 01:26 PM
skwatch.

nathanfairchild
10-21-2011, 01:51 PM
i believe

Stickjohn
10-21-2011, 02:17 PM
for menik

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSCaeLSIYH02GxeMZabV5KeNO9-S1aiNOdsHBHDhgKfaiTxYSf9

obzen
10-21-2011, 02:26 PM
neat

menikmati
10-21-2011, 02:57 PM
neat

lulz

obzen
10-21-2011, 03:50 PM
What? I've never seen that gif with the backdrop before.

menikmati
10-21-2011, 04:03 PM
It's the most important .gif ever made.

menikmati
10-21-2011, 09:01 PM
Classic documentary on it (for those who haven't seen it):

Part 1:
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Part 2:
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Part 3:
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Part 4:
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