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RotationSlimWang
07-25-2008, 11:25 AM
epic

fail

melting faces/face melt/any similarly worn out configuration from the thousands of uses of a two-chuckle phrase TOPS.

New members joining. I wanna give most of this last crop back as it is.

60 years and older solo performers from classic rock bands requests

shpongle

Pictures of really menacing pitch black erections, I guess, but really I guess I don't see those as it is so just being preventative.

Pictures of me and anything dildo-like

zenidogx
07-25-2008, 11:36 AM
Paul McCartney would be an epic headliner.
you fail for not wanting him.
a day in the life would melt faces.
if you don't like him, watch Shpongle in the sahara.

6/8 :winkiss

Blinken
07-25-2008, 11:38 AM
Is it time for the joker's make-up to come off?

Cdubby
07-25-2008, 11:40 AM
Pictures of really menacing pitch black erections, I guess, but really I guess I don't see those as it is so just being preventative.

Pictures of me and anything dildo-like


http://neilswaab.com/art/fineart/images/sarah.jpg

bluemamba
07-25-2008, 11:46 AM
<a href="http://failblog.org/2008/01/03/baseball-fail/"><img src="http://failblog.wordpress.com/files/2008/01/baseballfail.jpg" alt="baseballfail.jpg" /></a><br />see more <a href="http://failblog.org">pwn and owned pictures</a>

bluemamba
07-25-2008, 11:48 AM
Lets get and epic face melting headliner David Gilmour 09!!!!

RotationSlimWang
07-25-2008, 11:48 AM
Lets get and epic face melting headliner David Gilmour 09!!!!

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/The_Cancer_That_Is_Killing_/b/

chairmenmeow47
07-25-2008, 12:51 PM
Paul McCartney would be an epic headliner.
you fail for not wanting him.
a day in the life would melt faces.
if you don't like him, watch Shpongle in the sahara.

6/8 :winkiss

why would anyone want to watch mccartney play a day in the life by himself? only a small portion of that song was his, the rest was lennon's. it's my absolute favourite beatles song (besdies their cover of blackbird), but i don't want to hear mccartney play it by himself.

algunz
07-25-2008, 12:55 PM
. . . anything from many and less from most

amyzzz
07-25-2008, 12:56 PM
why would anyone want to watch mccartney play a day in the life by himself? only a small portion of that song was his, the rest was lennon's. it's my absolute favourite beatles song (besdies their cover of blackbird), but i don't want to hear mccartney play it by himself.
I would. Lennon is dead. We'll NEVER hear it from him. I'll take second best.

gaypalmsprings
07-25-2008, 12:56 PM
Randy

Randolph

Randall

Mr.Nipples
07-25-2008, 12:59 PM
ricardo

captncrzy
07-25-2008, 01:02 PM
woot

allyjoy
07-25-2008, 01:28 PM
I would. Lennon is dead. We'll NEVER hear it from him. I'll take second best.

In this case, second best blows.

marooko
07-25-2008, 01:53 PM
anything of, about or relating to daft punk.

bmack86
07-25-2008, 01:55 PM
The monkey squad. Ignore only works so well when they're filling every thread.

BROKENDOLL
07-25-2008, 02:22 PM
The monkey squad. Ignore only works so well when they're filling every thread. http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w18/1BROKENDOLL/laughingchimp.gif

TomAz
07-25-2008, 02:30 PM
why would anyone want to watch mccartney play a day in the life by himself? only a small portion of that song was his, the rest was lennon's. it's my absolute favourite beatles song (besdies their cover of blackbird), but i don't want to hear mccartney play it by himself.

cover??? I don't think so.

amyzzz
07-25-2008, 02:32 PM
cover??? I don't think so.
Yeah, I was wondering about that myself. Blackbird is McCartney (beatles), no?

chairmenmeow47
07-25-2008, 02:34 PM
well i stand corrected. i don't know why i always thought that was a cover, i'm a tard :)

Mr.Nipples
07-25-2008, 02:36 PM
...

awww c'mon first it was your snatch now this!

chairmenmeow47
07-25-2008, 02:36 PM
NSFW

diaf, brokendoll

Young blood
07-25-2008, 02:38 PM
Where is the ongoing ignore list I would like to add 137 more names?

BROKENDOLL
07-25-2008, 02:41 PM
NSFW

diaf, brokendoll Sorry. BTW...diaf?

chairmenmeow47
07-25-2008, 02:42 PM
diaf is internet speak for DIE IN A FIRE!

RotationSlimWang
07-25-2008, 02:42 PM
why would anyone want to watch mccartney play a day in the life by himself? only a small portion of that song was his, the rest was lennon's. it's my absolute favourite beatles song (besdies their cover of blackbird), but i don't want to hear mccartney play it by himself.

Woman, I swear if you don't stop being right about the big questions like best TV shows, movies, and Beatles songs I'm gonna be forced to impregnate you for real eventually. The lulz will come off.

But yes, please, please, could we not all plead for McCartney--bubblegum, dimwitted pop genius that he is--to try to perform a song I don't believe they ever performed live even as The Beatles (not positive, but I know when Sgt. Pepper's had just come out they couldn't figure a way to play it because it used too many sampled instruments and orchestra and stuff).


I would. Lennon is dead. We'll NEVER hear it from him. I'll take second best.

It's not his song, it belonged to the one who did all the really ambitious, brilliant, deep songs (a few to Harrison as well) and he was lucky enough to get assassinated before he could turn into an old husk of a legend. Can't we do him the favor of respecting his death enough to at least shy away from foaming at the mouths for his less-talented creative partner to cover his masterpieces for a fucking music festival?


Yeah, I was wondering about that myself. Blackbird is McCartney (beatles), no?

Dunno what this was about. You'll probably have explained by the time I post. What songs did The Beatles cover, actually? Anyone think they can name most off the top of their heads?

Mr.Nipples
07-25-2008, 02:43 PM
more weiners!

TomAz
07-25-2008, 02:46 PM
Act Naturally
Anna
Twist and Shout

lots of stuff on the early albums

psychic friend
07-25-2008, 02:50 PM
No more pictures of genitalia.

warning

bmack86
07-25-2008, 02:50 PM
Beatles never did perform A Day in the Life. They only played live once after the release of Rubber Soul.

Live covers included, or just on album?
On album, they did, among others, A Taste of Honey, Twist and Shout, Mr. Moonlight, Please Mr. Postman, Roll Over Beethoven, Long Tall Sally, Boys, Chains, Anna, You Really Got a Hold on Me, Money (That's What I Want), Rock and Roll Music, Everybody's Trying to be My Baby and Words of Love.

I know there were others, I think I missed a few from Beatles for Sale and a few B-Sides from early singles.

RotationSlimWang
07-25-2008, 02:53 PM
Know what's sweet about my threads? Usually after all you non-retarded folks get done letting me stew miserably in my new thread, besieged by the occasional complete dimwit and irritated that a decent premise is going unused on such a Holocaust-esque atrocity as today on the board has been...


eventually all the cool people swing by. At least 90 percent of the time. After a few suffer hours, everybody's like, "Wanna go chill in Randy's thread? I dunno what this one's about, more of his bullshit I'd guess. There's probably drinks and maybe some pussy, all else fails we can always tank the thread to fuck with him. This plan is made of win, runs on Wang."

RotationSlimWang
07-25-2008, 02:55 PM
Beatles never did perform A Day in the Life. They only played live once after the release of Rubber Soul.

Live covers included, or just on album?
On album, they did, among others, A Taste of Honey, Twist and Shout, Mr. Moonlight, Please Mr. Postman, Roll Over Beethoven, Long Tall Sally, Boys, Chains, Anna, You Really Got a Hold on Me, Money (That's What I Want), Rock and Roll Music, Everybody's Trying to be My Baby and Words of Love.

I know there were others, I think I missed a few from Beatles for Sale and a few B-Sides from early singles.

Thank you, I just wanted to confirm my unsure contention that every one of their covers is tripe. 'Cept for Words Of Love, but no one should ever try to cover that song. A couple Liverpudians ain't gonna compare fondly to Ms. Cass, no way, no how.

chairmenmeow47
07-25-2008, 02:57 PM
i think it's interesting a lot of beatles songs that were covered sound better than the originals. "i call your name" by the mama's and the papa's is about 80 thousand times better than the beatles version. i like tori amos' cover of "she's leaving home" more than the original too; it just sounds better coming out of a woman. i like fiona's cover of "across the universe" better too. "with a little help from my friends" sounds much more soulful from joe cocker.

and randy, i'm already knocked up with blink's anti-christ, i don't need yours too :p

bmack86
07-25-2008, 02:57 PM
Mr. Moonlight and Taste of Honey are my least favorite Beatles songs, but they did an awesome version of Twist and Shout. Lennon going nuts, sick as hell.

gaypalmsprings
07-25-2008, 03:00 PM
No more pictures of genitalia.

warning

yeah - especially when disguised as a hamburger

ShyGuy75
07-25-2008, 03:01 PM
I would be in favor of The Twin Freaks at Coachella

RotationSlimWang
07-25-2008, 03:02 PM
Wait... I don't know that you can possibly be right about She's Leaving Home. I'll have to download Tori's version but the original always fucking floors me. Across The Universe is kinda meh in both cases. Can't argue with Joe Cocker, something about that choice really clicked perfectly, although I still really love the original for obvious personal reasons.

There's a show on NPR called Prairie Home Companion my family used to be into when I was real little, many years later my dad bought me a best of CD set compilation--highlights of the decades including sketches, monologues and a delightful selection of musical numbers.

Well there was one where they had an absolutely amazing gospel choir rendition of Julia. It remains to this day one of the most crazy pretty songs ever, somehow just works perfectly for a choir. But I've never been able to track it down since the CD was lost. Blows.

SUPREFAN! FUCKING DO SOMETHING USEFUL FOR ONCE! Please? Thanks.

BROKENDOLL
07-25-2008, 03:05 PM
No more pictures of genitalia.

warning Whew, that was close. Sorry, Dani...

marooko
07-25-2008, 03:07 PM
liar.

chairmenmeow47
07-25-2008, 03:07 PM
i would say musically the original of she's leaving home is better; however tori sings it in a way that speaks to me more than the beatles did. i'll send it to you when i get home, along with the 80 thousand other things i owe you, lol.

Bud Luster
07-25-2008, 03:11 PM
No more pictures of genitalia.

warning

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amyzzz
07-25-2008, 03:17 PM
Ugh, if that Joe Cocker version of WALHFMF is the one from the Wonder Years, you can all die. I like the original.

canexplain
07-25-2008, 03:18 PM
srsly .....x****

RotationSlimWang
07-25-2008, 03:19 PM
i would say musically the original of she's leaving home is better; however tori sings it in a way that speaks to me more than the beatles did. i'll send it to you when i get home, along with the 80 thousand other things i owe you, lol.

I just download it instead. I gotta get you hip to file transferring, sending songs via email is like postal delivery via horseback.

She's Leaving Home is a nifty song. My dad said that listening to it always reminded him of how my sister bolted from the house as soon as she was done with high school, moved up to Boston, and did her best to have nothing to do with him especially but most of the rest of us too. For the next five or six years she maybe visited three times I think. Gotta say, that song hits whatever that state of young female mind is right on the fucking head. Love the parents end of it too.

Am I alone in thinking Lovely Rita and Good Morning are way underrated?

RotationSlimWang
07-25-2008, 03:19 PM
Ugh, if that Joe Cocker version of WALHFMF is the one from the Wonder Years, you can all die. I like the original.

Broaden your horizons beyond honky pap, woman.

amyzzz
07-25-2008, 03:20 PM
I love lovely rita.

bmack86
07-25-2008, 03:22 PM
Rita's a great one. Good Morning reminds me of a barnyard song for some reason, not in a bad way.

apostle2
07-25-2008, 03:23 PM
The cocker version of WALHFMF is one of my favorite covers ever. Joe is a SERIOUSLY underrated artist

canexplain
07-25-2008, 03:25 PM
I just download it instead. I gotta get you hip to file transferring, sending songs via email is like postal delivery via horseback.

She's Leaving Home is a nifty song. My dad said that listening to it always reminded him of how my sister bolted from the house as soon as she was done with high school, moved up to Boston, and did her best to have nothing to do with him especially but most of the rest of us too. For the next five or six years she maybe visited three times I think. Gotta say, that song hits whatever that state of young female mind is right on the fucking head. Love the parents end of it too.

Am I alone in thinking Lovely Rita and Good Morning are way underrated?

i used to always have "Good Morning" ready to play when i woke up ... gave me that early morning music fix .... better then waking up to say Metallica ...x****

RotationSlimWang
07-25-2008, 03:32 PM
I used to do the same back in high school for almost a year straight.

More recently, I'm dying to somehow end up getting to use it for a sequence of divine wrath in one of my later films.

RotationSlimWang
07-25-2008, 03:36 PM
Because I defected from the PAW thread, I'm responding to this here:


http://ivy.aholic.us/gallery/d/661820-1/0613082141.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=7bb175d9a451ec8b2f0cf 660d79f8d8e

Oh yeah? Now, please recount for the jury how many weeks your cold lasted last month when you refused my Airborne advice? Three? Four? And then this last time when you gave in and did as you were told it was gone in three, four days? Is that all correct?

Permission to treat the witness with 'tude, Your Honor?

chairmenmeow47
07-25-2008, 03:43 PM
Because I defected from the PAW thread, I'm responding to this here:

Oh yeah? Now, please recount for the jury how many weeks your cold lasted last month when you refused my Airborne advice? Three? Four? And then this last time when you gave in and did as you were told it was gone in three, four days? Is that all correct?

Permission to treat the witness with 'tude, Your Honor?

PERMISSION DENIED!

airborne didn't do shit!!! i wasn't as sick the second time, fuckface!!!

bailiff, please hold the witness in contempt for 'tude.

Young blood
07-25-2008, 03:44 PM
What the hell is going on here?

keep it on myspace. fags.

Blinken
07-25-2008, 03:49 PM
You posted in the PAW thread today jackass.


I use Airborne and it always makes my throat feel better as soon as I drink it.

Fuck science. Where can I get these wonderful placebos?

You suck at defecting.

amyzzz
07-25-2008, 03:55 PM
placebo

canexplain
07-25-2008, 03:59 PM
i hope i never see a bunch of people saying "get that fucking canexplain off our board, the old geezer" :) x****

RotationSlimWang
07-25-2008, 03:59 PM
You posted in the PAW thread today jackass.



You suck at defecting.

Yeah well, at least I know when to jump a sinking ship.

RotationSlimWang
07-25-2008, 04:01 PM
PERMISSION DENIED!

airborne didn't do shit!!! i wasn't as sick the second time, fuckface!!!

bailiff, please hold the witness in contempt for 'tude.

Whatever, whatever, whatever... cognitive dissonance alive and well. The girl who gets sick for weeks at minimum somehow got out of that one with a couple days and still chooses to ignore the empirical soundness of Randy advice.

whynotsmile99
07-25-2008, 04:20 PM
zicam is the best

BROKENDOLL
07-25-2008, 04:23 PM
While you're on the subject of Airborne, might I ask where this thread is going?

Mr.Nipples
07-25-2008, 04:39 PM
airborne doesnt work

MissingPerson
07-25-2008, 04:42 PM
I could live without hearing the words "cognitive dissonance" for a while.

RotationSlimWang
07-25-2008, 04:44 PM
Works for me. One of the only things that repairs my frequent throat issues. But look, we all know (at least I hope we do) that the placebo effect has proven practically as effective as real medications in plenty of studies. Airborne has a bunch of theoretically healthy shit in it for you. Does it hurt? Doubt it. Does it help? A lot of people say no, but I don't really care whether science says it doesn't if it does on me. ::shrug::

RotationSlimWang
07-25-2008, 04:48 PM
I could live without hearing the words "cognitive dissonance" for a while.

That's just cognitive dissonance prejudicing you, y'know.

Bud Luster
07-25-2008, 04:53 PM
Zinc may help, but Magic Johnson's blood is now the cure for AIDZ.

Blinken
07-25-2008, 04:55 PM
Money is the cure, directly injected into veins

thewindowliquor
07-25-2008, 04:58 PM
anything of, about or relating to daft punk.

No. Radiohead.

zenidogx
07-25-2008, 05:03 PM
No. Radiohead.

seconded.

Bud Luster
07-25-2008, 05:04 PM
a true and lasting moratorium on Daft Punk would be great.

thewindowliquor
07-25-2008, 05:06 PM
a true and lasting moratorium on Daft Punk would be great.

No. Radiohead.

MissingPerson
07-25-2008, 05:13 PM
It would be the Internet's finest hour if both could be censored. I mean, keep the swearwords and everything, just asterisk the fuck out of Daft Punk and Radiohead. Then we'd have way more room to keep suggesting Arcade Fire and Muse all the time and laugh at Uffie and we'd all lead happier and more fulfilling lives.


That's just cognitive dissonance prejudicing you, y'know.

Oh you and your cognitive dissonance. It's just cognitive dissonance, cognitive dissonance, cognitive dissonance, isn't it?

Pff. Men.

Blinken
07-25-2008, 05:18 PM
We should do away with Arcade Fire

amyzzz
07-25-2008, 05:23 PM
We should do away with Acrade Fire
best idea I've read all year.

PotVsKtl
07-25-2008, 05:31 PM
It might be relevant if Airborne worked if its purpose were to retroactively alleviate cold symptoms.

BlackSwan
07-25-2008, 05:36 PM
We should do away with Acrade Fire

even though it's spelled wrong, i still fully agree. on this board and in general. while you're at it... Muse too.

Mr. Dylanja
07-25-2008, 05:40 PM
I'm a believer in Airborne, that's all that matters right?


How about we banish the word HIPSTER?
Hip and hamster were never meant to be combined...

sbessiso
07-25-2008, 05:51 PM
even though it's spelled wrong, i still fully agree. on this board and in general. while you're at it... Muse too.

:pulse!

MissingPerson
07-25-2008, 06:00 PM
Oh you poor people and all your broken ears.

sbessiso
07-25-2008, 06:05 PM
I'm so worried I'm gunna jinx this and arcadefiremuse will be at next years Coachella

zenidogx
07-25-2008, 06:11 PM
I'm so worried I'm gunna jinx this and arcadefiremuse will be at next years Coachella

with andrew bird too!


haha. couldn't resist

shakermaker113
07-25-2008, 06:52 PM
wow. three pages and entirely off topic, I arrive. I agree entirely with randy's list. I'd also like to add lolcats, though they haven't been a big problem for a while now. and fry threads.

MissingPerson
07-25-2008, 07:07 PM
wow. three pages and entirely off topic, I arrive.

Hey, I resent that. We're still on topic, it's just buried in a lot of other, less relevant stuff. You're just trying to impose consistency by reinterpreting what you're seeing from the two apparently conflicting sets of information to suit your own purposes.

Oh, if only there were some neat psychology term for exactly that...


EDIT:


We should do away with Acrade Fire


best idea I've read all year.


even though it's spelled wrong, i still fully agree. on this board and in general.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/jill_valentine/AF%20General/sweary.jpg

Young blood
07-25-2008, 08:24 PM
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Young blood
07-25-2008, 08:24 PM
iv32oPEZErw

Young blood
07-25-2008, 08:56 PM
PUKE, NO WAI.



whats ur damage!?

shakermaker113
07-25-2008, 09:12 PM
Hey, I resent that. We're still on topic, it's just buried in a lot of other, less relevant stuff. You're just trying to impose consistency by reinterpreting what you're seeing from the two apparently conflicting sets of information to suit your own purposes.

I'm not trying to impose anything, just reflecting. I don't expect any thread to stay on topic this long. I just felt the need for a preface before returning to the original topic.

gaypalmsprings
07-25-2008, 09:24 PM
best thread ever

srsly

MissingPerson
07-25-2008, 09:41 PM
So, cognitive dissonance:


In psychology, cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling or stress caused by holding two contradictory ideas simultaneously. The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a fundamental cognitive drive to reduce this dissonance by modifying an existing belief, or rejecting one of the contradictory ideas.

All That I Am
07-26-2008, 12:17 AM
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M Sparks
07-26-2008, 12:59 AM
I would. Lennon is dead. We'll NEVER hear it from him. I'll take second best.

No, Harrison's dead too.

Mr. Dylanja
07-26-2008, 01:26 AM
Sparks, I don't remember you since the Vegoose boards, how the hell ya been up there in Flag?

RotationSlimWang
07-26-2008, 05:03 AM
So, cognitive dissonance:


In psychology, cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling or stress caused by holding two contradictory ideas simultaneously. The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a fundamental cognitive drive to reduce this dissonance by modifying an existing belief, or rejecting one of the contradictory ideas.


Let's get the true source so maybe you're get it a little better, I find that summation a weak wikipedia.

CAUTION: I am reposting a rather lengthy summary of the evolution of Cognitive Dissonance Theory. Some of you will naturally say fuck me and my long-ass posts, cool. MissingPerson I suspect was way less interested in actually learning about this psychological theory than would motivate him to read all this. I DID bold out the most relevant sections, so perhaps if Missing or anyone else who finds psychological issues of free will and brain study intriguing, I highly recommend reading. This is one of the most important concepts for understand humanity, IMO.

Cognitive Dissonance Theory

of Leon Festinger

Aesop tells a story about a fox that tried in vain to reach a cluster of grapes that dangled from a vine above his head. The fox leapt high to grasp the grapes, but the delicious-looking fruit remained just out of reach of his snapping jaws. After a few attempts the fox gave up and said to himself, ‘‘These grapes are sour, and if I had some I would not eat them."

Dissonance: Discord Between Behavior and Belief

Aesop’s fable is the source of the phrase ‘‘sour grapes." The story illustrates what former Stanford University social psychologist Leon Festinger called cognitive dissonance. It is the distressing mental state in which people feel they "find themselves doing things that don’t fit with what they know, or having opinions that do not fit with other opinions they hold."

The fox’s retreat from the grape arbor clashed with his knowledge that the grapes were tasty. By changing his attitude toward the grapes, he provided an acceptable explanation for his behavior.

Festinger considered the human need to avoid dissonance as basic as the need for safety or the need to satisfy hunger. It is an aversive drive that goads us to be consistent. The tension of dissonance motivates us to change either our behavior or our belief in an effort to avoid a distressing feeling. The more important the issue and the greater the discrepancy between behavior and belief, the higher the magnitude of dissonance that we will feel. In extreme cases cognitive dissonance is like our cringing response to fingernails being scraped on a blackboard—we’ll do anything to get away from the awful sound.

Three Hypotheses: Ways to Reduce Dissonance Between
Attitudes and Actions

The focus of cognitive dissonance theory is attitude change. Festinger hypothesized three mental mechanisms people use to ensure that their actions and attitudes are in harmony.

Hypothesis 1: Selective Exposure Prevents Dissonance

Festinger claimed that people avoid information that is likely to increase dissonance. Not only do we tend to select reading material and television programs that are consistent with our existing beliefs, we usually choose to be with people who are like us. By taking care to ‘‘stick with our own kind," we can maintain the relative comfort of the status quo. Like-minded people buffer us from ideas that could cause discomfort. In that sense, the process of making friends is an example of selecting our own propaganda.

Would I Lie to You?

In the late 1950s, Festinger and James Carlsmith recruited Stanford University men to participate in a psychological study of unknown purpose. As each man arrived at the lab, he was assigned the boring and repetitive task of sorting a batch of spools into lots of twelve and turning square pegs a quarter turn to the right. The procedure was designed to be both monotonous and tiring. At the end of an hour the experimenter approached the subject and made a request. A student assistant had supposedly failed to show up, and the researcher needed someone to fill in by telling a potential female subject in the waiting room how much fun the experiment was. Dissonance researchers call this ‘‘counter-attitudinal advocacy." We’d call it lying.

Some of the men were promised $1 to express enthusiasm about the task; others were offered $20. It is comforting to know that six of the men refused to take part in the deception, but most students tried to recruit the young woman. The typical conversation was similar for both payment conditions:

she: ‘‘I heard it was boring."

he: ‘‘Oh no, it’s really quite interesting."

What did differ were privately expressed attitudes after the study was over. Students who lied for $20 confessed that they thought the task of sorting spools was dull. Those who lied for $1 maintained that it was much more enjoyable. (Festinger and Carlsmith practiced their own form of deception in the study—subjects never received the promised money.)

By now you should have a pretty good idea of how dissonance theorists analyze the results. They note that $20 was a huge sum of money (worth more than $50 in today’s economy). If a student felt qualms about telling a ‘‘white lie," the cash was a ready justification. Thus he felt little or no tension between his action and attitude. But the men who lied for a dollar had lots of cognitive work to do. The logical inconsistency of saying a boring task was interesting had to be explained away through an internal dialogue:

I’m a Stanford man. Am I the kind of guy who would lie for a dollar? No way. Actually what I told the girl was true. The experiment was a lot of fun.

Festinger says that $1 was just barely enough to induce compliance to the experimenter’s request, so students had to create another justification. They changed their attitudes toward the task to bring it into line with their behavior.

You can probably think of alternative ways to account for Festinger and Carlsmith’s findings. The study has been replicated and modified many times in an effort to close off loopholes that would admit other explanations. The results have made it necessary to qualify Festinger’s minimal justification hypothesis. Today most persuasion researchers accept a revised version of cognitive dissonance theory.

Saving Face: The Rationalizing Animal

University of California social psychologist Elliot Aronson was attracted to cognitive dissonance theory because of Leon Festinger’s startling minimal justification prediction. He quickly determined that the theory in its original form had some ‘‘conceptual fuzziness." It failed to state the conditions under which a person would definitely experience dissonance. When early disciples of Festinger weren’t sure what the theory predicted, their advice was, ‘‘If you want to be sure, ask Leon."

Aronson concluded that the issue isn’t logical inconsistency, but psychological inconsistency. We aren’t rational animals; we are rationalizing animals who want to appear reasonable to ourselves. He interprets the $1/$20 experiment as a study of self-esteem maintenance. ‘‘If dissonance exists, it is because the individual’s behavior is inconsistent with his self-concept."7 The Stanford men were in a bind because they regarded themselves as decent, truthful human beings. If they had seen themselves as liars, cheats, or jerks, they would have felt no tension.

According to Aronson, the amount of dissonance a person can experience is directly proportional to the effort he or she has invested in the behavior. Since Marine boot camp is tougher than basic training in the regular Army, Aronson would expect a recruit to feel greater tension if he violated the norms of the Marine Corps. The harder it is to get into a group, the more an initiate values membership. Rarely does a football player brag that his coach schedules light workouts.

Even the reactions of Aesop’s fox make sense in light of the animal’s low investment of energy. Aronson points out that the fox wouldn’t think the grapes were sour if he had spent the whole afternoon jumping to get them. Attitudes follow behavior because of the effort we’ve committed.

Critique: Dissonance over Dissonance

Despite extensive revisions, cognitive dissonance theory still has weaknesses. In Chapter 3, I illustrated the problem of testability with my boyhood pal’s ‘‘never-miss shot" on his driveway basketball court. In the same way, cognitive dissonance is the never-miss prediction of communication theory. When it works, the results are spectacular. When it doesn’t, the true believer treats the negative result as tacit evidence that the person in question didn’t feel enough dissonance. In other words, the theory could never be proved wrong.

The criteria for a good scientific theory discussed in Chapter 3 also recommends simplicity. Many critics think that Festinger’s appeal to cognitive dissonance as an explanation for opinion change is unnecessarily complicated. For example, Cornell University psychologist Daryl Bem agrees that attitudes change when a person acts with minimal justification, but he claims that self-perception is a much simpler explanation than cognitive dissonance. He believes we judge our internal dispositions the same way others do—by observing our behavior.

Bem ran his own $1/$20 study to test his alternative explanation. People heard a recording of a Stanford man’s enthusiastic account of the spool-sorting, peg-turning task. Some listeners were told he received $1 for recruiting the female subject. Since he had little obvious reason to lie, they assumed that he really liked the task. Other listeners were told that the man received $20 to recruit the woman. These folks assumed that the man was bored with the task and was lying to get the money. Bem’s subjects didn’t speculate about what was going on inside the Stanford man’s head. They simply judged his attitude by looking at what he did under the circumstances. If people don’t need an understanding of cognitive dissonance to forecast how the men would react, Bem asks, why should social scientists? Bem is convinced that cognitive dissonance theory is like the mousetrap pictured on page 36, much too convoluted.

amyzzz
07-26-2008, 05:50 AM
No, Harrison's dead too.

while I do like George Harrison quite a bit, I'm starting to like McCartney's goofy songs quite a bit as well. Against my will even. There's so much hate against McCartney that I started out biased against him and went for the Lennon songs (and the few Harrison songs), but McCartney gradually won me over. Now I adore songs like "Your Mother Should Know," "Fixing a Hole," "When I'm 64," "Martha My Dear," etc, etc. And my god, who couldn't love MCCartney's crazy bluesy voice on songs like "Oh! Darling?" That's a fucking great performance. So fuck y'all. I like McCartney too. And I'd gladly see him at Coach.

RotationSlimWang
07-26-2008, 05:54 AM
McCartney handles cutesy, catchy love songs. He can keep his cutesy, catchy cuckolded ass off my polo fields.

Mr. Dylanja
07-26-2008, 05:58 AM
McCartney got caught smoking a joint he was trying to conceal last year at the Led Zep reunion show in London. A huge security guard walked up to him and said something along the lines of "Hey man, you're Paul McCartney, you can do whatever the fuck you wan't!"

I thought that was pretty cool plus you have to give him a little sympathy just for dealing with that psychotic.

frozen pilgrim
07-26-2008, 08:03 AM
it's nice when security is... nice.

two contrasting doobie experiences:

I once saw two kids get hauled out of a nine inch nails arena show for smoking a joint. kicked the fuck out. some serious bullshit.

at coachella 07, on sunday, in the dome, myself and a group of friendly individuals proceeded to smoke the brains out of the dudes from pendulum, during their set. the MCs and the fans passing bowls back and forth over the barrier- it was awesome.

ShyGuy75
07-26-2008, 08:25 AM
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zenidogx
07-26-2008, 08:42 AM
while I do like George Harrison quite a bit, I'm starting to like McCartney's goofy songs quite a bit as well. Against my will even. There's so much hate against McCartney that I started out biased against him and went for the Lennon songs (and the few Harrison songs), but McCartney gradually won me over. Now I adore songs like "Your Mother Should Know," "Fixing a Hole," "When I'm 64," "Martha My Dear," etc, etc. And my god, who couldn't love MCCartney's crazy bluesy voice on songs like "Oh! Darling?" That's a fucking great performance. So fuck y'all. I like McCartney too. And I'd gladly see him at Coach.


you'd enjoy his show. i've seen him once and it was just very damn fun.
and he played "I Will"- bonus!

try listening to his greatest hits, it's called All the Best
if you can enjoy some songs, then you could enjoy some of his solo work.
for sure McCartney and Band on the Run are his best solo stuff.

gaypalmsprings
07-26-2008, 09:18 AM
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BROKENDOLL
07-26-2008, 10:08 AM
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http://www.expandmind.com/pdgif1.gif I'm callin' dibs on borderline!

BROKENDOLL
07-26-2008, 10:10 AM
Oh, look! 3,358 posts! May as well throw in a compulsive-obsessive disorder too!

Xenocide
07-27-2008, 01:39 AM
I would. Lennon is dead. We'll NEVER hear it from him. I'll take second best.

Sean Lennon is dead?!?!??

SoulDischarge
07-27-2008, 04:56 AM
Ono in oh-nine.