The Post Your Picture Thread

[CalmerThanYou]

I would only chip in for MP's Come to Coachella Fund if she communicated via a whiteboard and markers so i could experience her posts live.

no spoken words at all.

[BlackSwan]

im from laguna beach... i surf and smoke weed everyday. I am the anti-bro.

Oh yeah bro?

[BlackSwan]

I would only chip in for MP's Come to Coachella Fund if she communicated via a whiteboard and markers so i could experience her posts live.

no spoken words at all.

Goldenvoice should book MissingPerson in Sean Penn's spot, or even better, MissingPerson Whiteboard (DJ Set)

[MissingPerson]

So, sort of an anti-Spoken Word Set then?

I don't know, I don't know if I want to let you guys see the magic happen. They say you should never watch a pilot at work, or you'd never fly again.

[pancakespancakes]

I'd put in 10 bucks for MP's airfare. And a handshake. And maybe a kiss on the cheek.

[Gribbz]

im from laguna beach... i surf and smoke weed everyday. I am the anti-bro.

lmao.

[zenidogx]

I'd put in 10 bucks for MP's airfare. And a handshake. And maybe a kiss on the cheek.

is that what we're calling it now?

[chairmenmeow47]

i'll throw in $50 for a handjob, $100 for oral.

[MissingPerson]

I wondered what Sean Penn's set consisted of.

[pancakespancakes]

is that what we're calling it now?

HAHAHAHA it took me a while to laugh at that. I'm slow today.

[anti-square]

I would pay that rate and would even let you keep the helmet on.

[pancakespancakes]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/jill_valentine/CIMG0314.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/jill_valentine/CIMG0314.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/jill_valentine/CIMG0314.jpg

[marooko]

id pitch in, MP. just accept the love and get your helmet hair over here already. we dont even have to meet, to know ive helped is enough. oh and head. kidding, come on.

[zenidogx]

$10 if i can have my way with MP.
$500 if i can have my way with just that scooter.
$10 if i can have my way with both.

[WhyTheLongFace]

$10 if i can have my way with MP.
$500 if i can have my way with just that scooter.
$10 if i can have my way with both.

Your prices are skewed

[marooko]

20 if i can watch.

[BlackSwan]

i'll throw in $50 for a handjob, $100 for oral.

You could even charge an audience and make the money back.

[amyzzz]

+$10 for a threesome.

[locachica73]

If she wasn't able to talk then how would we be able to get all dreamy over her accent?

I would chip in $100 and I wouldn't even require sexual favors. :)

[amyzzz]

If she wasn't able to talk then how would we be able to get all dreamy over her accent?

QFT
Poor pin-up MissingPerson.

[Ill_Eagle]

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2678/26722170165357072dc5.jpg

[MissingPerson]

You're all going to be really disappointed when you find out I have the mouth parts of a beetle for a face.

[Monklish]

Are you trying to say you give unique head?

[BlackSwan]

You're all going to be really disappointed when you find out I have the mouth parts of a beetle for a face.

I don't think that would disappoint anyone. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised.

[MissingPerson]

Is there a Bug On Your Lip pun here somewhere? Anybody? There has to be, right?

[PassiveTheory]

You're all going to be really disappointed when you find out I have the mouth parts of a beetle for a face.

I find that hot.

[greghead]

You're all going to be really disappointed when you find out I have the mouth parts of a beetle for a face.

This Beatle? That's not so bad, I suppose. Could be worse

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll239/greg-head/Paul-McCartney-187428.jpg

could be this one

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll239/greg-head/ringo_starr.jpg

[Monklish]

I've never facefucked an exoskeleton before.

[MissingPerson]

You haven't lived!

[BROKENDOLL]

i'll throw in $50 for a handjob, $100 for oral. Quite obviously you and your significant other have begun to rub off on each other over the past few months... He was defending your honor in the babymaking thread earlier while you're here bartering for a hand and a blowjob!

[boarderwoozel3]

So I found a round-trip ticket from Dublin (right?) to LAX on United for $221 + fees!!!!!!! MP, this trip is so doable.

http://www.cheapoair.com/Default.aspx?tabid=1685&sid=1&oa=DUB&da=LAX&adt=1&chd=0&snr=0&infl=0&infs=0&dd=04-16-2009&rd=04-20-2009&tt=ROUNDTRIP

[amyzzz]

Holy cow. Do it. DO IT.

[Courtney]

That's worth it for the frequent flyer miles and free booze alone.

[TommyboyUNM]

Quite obviously you and your significant other have begun to rub off on each other over the past few months... He was defending your honor in the babymaking thread earlier while you're here bartering for a hand and a blowjob!


You are fucking obsessed!!! Wow.


Speaking of obsessed, I'll pitch in $25 for the Get MissingPerson to Coachella 2009 fund. MP, set up a PayPal account and make it happen.

[WhyTheLongFace]

You guys are so friendly

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

So I found a round-trip ticket from Dublin (right?) to LAX on United for $221 + fees!!!!!!! MP, this trip is so doable.

http://www.cheapoair.com/Default.aspx?tabid=1685&sid=1&oa=DUB&da=LAX&adt=1&chd=0&snr=0&infl=0&infs=0&dd=04-16-2009&rd=04-20-2009&tt=ROUNDTRIP

Is that legal? its 300 for 2 round trip tickets from Denver to LA!

[Cherita Chen]

I would gladly donate some money, under the condition that she camps within close distant of me

[Cherita Chen]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/jill_valentine/CIMG0314.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/jill_valentine/CIMG0314.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/jill_valentine/CIMG0314.jpg

Awesome.

[BlackSwan]

I didn't know MP was an atheist.

[MissingPerson]

You kids are sweet.

This year just isn't happening for me though; but I promise I'll be more than glad to take all your money next year.

In the meantime, I'll enjoy your showering devotion like some sort of oddly endearing love bukkake.

And yup, I'm all about the atheism. Sometimes I have to stay up late to get all my atheism done, in fact. Mmm, atheism. I have no beef with believers until they do something stupid on God's say-so, though. And I like your buildings - good call on the spires. They're freaking awesome.

[zenidogx]

if only Coldplay was headlining!

[MissingPerson]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/jill_valentine/DISAPPROVE.jpg

[captncrzy]

So I found a round-trip ticket from Dublin (right?) to LAX on United for $221 + fees!!!!!!! MP, this trip is so doable.

http://www.cheapoair.com/Default.aspx?tabid=1685&sid=1&oa=DUB&da=LAX&adt=1&chd=0&snr=0&infl=0&infs=0&dd=04-16-2009&rd=04-20-2009&tt=ROUNDTRIP

That is CHEAP!

International taxes probably tack on another 150, but still!

[tessalasset]

So I found a round-trip ticket from Dublin (right?) to LAX on United for $221 + fees!!!!!!! MP, this trip is so doable.

http://www.cheapoair.com/Default.aspx?tabid=1685&sid=1&oa=DUB&da=LAX&adt=1&chd=0&snr=0&infl=0&infs=0&dd=04-16-2009&rd=04-20-2009&tt=ROUNDTRIP

dude i just bought a round trip ticket from lax to seattle for $204. so that is a fucking amazing deal you have right there.

[algunz]

MP, with all this love you should take advantage of the free ticket and wave at your fans near the front entrance. How come you can't come? What could you possible be doing that takes priority over hangin' with us?

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee218/alessandragunz/izzy/IMG_0608.jpg

[MissingPerson]

It is cheap. Really, really cheap.

I wonder. Would I have to flap my arms myself, or what?

[captncrzy]

gawd, that kid is so cute I can't stand it.


Nephew is hitting a month old


http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2343/116/115/1264387130/n1264387130_30295529_897.jpg

[zenidogx]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/jill_valentine/DISAPPROVE.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/godinez07/Glasto05-Coldplay-KW11.jpg?t=1235705109

[algunz]

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2343/116/115/1264387130/n1264387130_30295529_897.jpg

Adorable!!! He looks like he is contemplating something very serious. :)

[captncrzy]

I think he's thinking about his pooping schedule.

[MissingPerson]

That kid has a very regal wave going on, Algunz.

Captn, that picture demands to be Obamicized.


http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/godinez07/Glasto05-Coldplay-KW11.jpg?t=1235705109

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/jill_valentine/coachellathin.png

[BlackSwan]

And yup, I'm all about the atheism. Sometimes I have to stay up late to get all my atheism done, in fact. Mmm, atheism. I have no beef with believers until they do something stupid on God's say-so, though. And I like your buildings - good call on the spires. They're freaking awesome.

Atheists are believers too.

[ivankay]

gawd, that kid is so cute I can't stand it.


Nephew is hitting a month old


http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2343/116/115/1264387130/n1264387130_30295529_897.jpg

http://reformedcovenanter.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/winston_churchill.jpg

[MissingPerson]

...

Churchill, you wily dog.



Atheists are believers too.

Then bald is a hair colour, as the old saying goes.

[BlackSwan]

Then bald is a hair colour, as the old saying goes.

That saying isn't old! You just made it up.

[ivankay]

So i gather there are different atheists. Those who believe there is no God and those who know God doesn't exist. The ones that know are just as annoying as those who know there is a God. You ask them how they know and it pretty much comes out the same (essentially "I just know."....actually you would just believe....knowing requires backup).

So yes, atheists believe.

And on that note, one of the reasons i believe in a God concept:

http://b9.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00035/93/62/35102639_l.jpg

[SubBass49]

agnostic then?

EDIT:
Here's two pics of my daughter to get the "awwwwws" going...

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/36/l_3ee4c64714a644668f4d33d5ddefda6c.jpg
Riding our dog Marley

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/15/l_b8eb87a44a2e4ecab83db0cd104de540.jpg
Good times.

[ivankay]

me? Not since my early 20's have i used that description of myself. i tipped over on the believing in God concept when i connected it with my belief in infinity. And too much magical stuff has happened in life for me not to emotionally connect with the belief there is a One that is all. i chucked it up to God is EVERYTHING (that is and isn't). The God most people present through religion was too limited with all the human baggage connected to It. i guess you could still say i'm (and everyone technically) agnostic because that means you don't know either way.

i don't know shit other than i am.

[hendrixfan143]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3306/3311164338_431953e14f_o.jpg

[ivankay]

Awesome. The Hanson Brothers. When ever anyone tries to talk to me during a show, "I'm trying to listen to the fucking song!" always pops in my head.

[miscorrections]

Cal State Mullet.

[indietron]

http://b9.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00035/93/62/35102639_l.jpg

Is this in Kauai?!

[BROKENDOLL]

You are fucking obsessed!!! Wow.
Speaking of obsessed, I'll pitch in $25 for the Get MissingPerson to Coachella 2009 fund. MP, set up a PayPal account and make it happen. How does my post make me obsessed, Tommyboy? It was more my way of commenting on the way they've grown as "a couple," and think alike, etc... Oh, wait...you wouldn't know what "a couple" is, would you?

[ivankay]

Is this in Kauai?!

Yes. On the Kalalau Trail.

[jimmycrackcorn]

...

[shakermaker113]

wow. good conversation going on in here.

[Monklish]

me? Not since my early 20's have i used that description of myself. i tipped over on the believing in God concept when i connected it with my belief in infinity. And too much magical stuff has happened in life for me not to emotionally connect with the belief there is a One that is all. i chucked it up to God is EVERYTHING (that is and isn't). The God most people present through religion was too limited with all the human baggage connected to It. i guess you could still say i'm (and everyone technically) agnostic because that means you don't know either way.

i don't know shit other than i am.

Here's the true meaning of agnosticism, just because everyone keeps talking about it today:

"Agnostic" is a term which has been generalized in its definition over time. What agnosticism really is NOT being unsure whether or not there is a God, but rather that it is impossible for man to know whether or not God exists.

[amyzzz]

I love all the baby pics. I wish I knew someone near me who had a baby so I could play with him/her. *sigh*

[tessalasset]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3306/3311164338_431953e14f_o.jpg

oh my god you look soooo much like a teenage version of my coworker it's scary. i'm gonna have to show him tomorrow.

[KatieLyn]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/diehardHPusedfan111/brown.jpg


I'm a brunette now.

[jdaws]

goes well with your violet skin

[chairmenmeow47]

Here's the true meaning of agnosticism, just because everyone keeps talking about it today:

"Agnostic" is a term which has been generalized in its definition over time. What agnosticism really is NOT being unsure whether or not there is a God, but rather that it is impossible for man to know whether or not God exists.

and on top of that, agnostic also means that the knowledge of god existing doesn't have any impact on your day to day life anyways. i don't think there's anyway for me to know in my lifetime, nor do i think it would have an impact on my life.

[jdaws]

how can it be said that "knowing" would have no impact when the dominant statement is that "knowing" is impossible..

[marooko]

Something tells me her boyfriend would eat you alive.


http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f209/carbine000/IMG_2784-1.jpg

this is the picture i was asking about a while ago. i forget why now. . .

[chairmenmeow47]

how can it be said that "knowing" would have no impact when the dominant statement is that "knowing" is impossible..

you're right, it's a bit redundant and i've seen definitions that don't include that second part. but to me it means that we can be satisfied not knowing as it has no bearing on our day-to-day life.

[BlackSwan]

and on top of that, agnostic also means that the knowledge of god existing doesn't have any impact on your day to day life anyways. i don't think there's anyway for me to know in my lifetime, nor do i think it would have an impact on my life.

That addition is similar to what some call apathetic agnosticism. I've found that like atheists, a view like that is more rooted in your feelings about belief in god than it is in any actual knowledge about the nature of reality.


you're right, it's a bit redundant and i've seen definitions that don't include that second part. but to me it means that we can be satisfied not knowing as it has no bearing on our day-to-day life.

Like atheists, even most agnostics are rooted in some belief. You believe that is impossible for humans to know whether or not God exists.

An important question to ask yourself if you are agnostic and think you know it all because of your belief is... Is it possible for humans to know truth?

[ivankay]

An important question to ask yourself if you are agnostic and think you know it all because of your belief is... Is it possible for humans to know truth?

That where Decartes comes in and comes up with the only knowable truth "i think, therefore i am." i can come to the conclusion "i" exist because i think and that is truth. i can't verify you aren't an illusion though.

[chairmenmeow47]

That addition is similar to what some call apathetic agnosticism. I've found that like atheists, a view like that is more rooted in your feelings about belief in god than it is in any actual knowledge about the nature of reality.



Like atheists, even most agnostics are rooted in some belief. You believe that is impossible for humans to know whether or not God exists.

An important question to ask yourself if you are agnostic and think you know it all because of your belief is... Is it possible for humans to know truth?

excellent points because you're right, it is a belief unto itself. i guess truth needs to be defined also. i think seeking truth is something we always do; it isn't something that you discover and then you're done. it's something you always work towards like being a good person. your work is never done. plato had some theory that i don't remember the name of and my notes are at home about how somethings are always striving to be a thing; they are constantly in motion. for example, all the particles in a chair are constantly working to be that chair; their work is never done. i feel the same thing with finding "truth" or any knowledge in a general sense; your work is never done. so i guess i don't really know if it's possible for humans to know truth without knowing what truth is, but whatever it is, it is a struggle.

that probably doesn't make much sense though since i'm not a philosophy major or anything, it's something i really want to get a degree in after my current degree though.

[BlackSwan]

That where Decartes comes in and comes up with the only knowable truth "i think, therefore i am." i can come to the conclusion "i" exist because i think and that is truth. i can't verify you aren't an illusion though.

It's Descartes. But reciting something someone wrote in 1644 as the basis of what you believe to be the only knowable truth is kind of empty. What does that mean to you? If "I think, therefore I am", what exactly does "am" really mean? Do you know the full breadth of your existence merely by "thinking", or is that knowledge limited and therefore "You think, therefore you sorta are."

[ivankay]

It's Descartes. But reciting something someone wrote in 1644 as the basis of what you believe to be the only knowable truth is kind of empty. What does that mean to you? If "I think, therefore I am", what exactly does "am" really mean? Do you know the full breadth of your existence merely by "thinking", or is that knowledge limited and therefore "You think, therefore you sorta are."

Since all my other senses can be potentially decieved, whatever "evidence" they provide can be suspect. my thoughts come from me. i experience them. This is evidence to me that "i" exist or am. The "i" is the thoughts because the body could be illusion. i'm not sure what you mean by "full breadth of existence". Please clarify. The only thing i can be sure of is the thinking. i was thikning how my thoughts could be decieved where i believed i was having them, but they were actually a creation from another external source. In my limited perspective, i can't imagine how that could be, but you never know.

i'm at werk. We need to symposium this with some booze and stuff.

[BlackSwan]

excellent points because you're right, it is a belief unto itself. i guess truth needs to be defined also. i think seeking truth is something we always do; it isn't something that you discover and then you're done. it's something you always work towards like being a good person. your work is never done. plato had some theory that i don't remember the name of and my notes are at home about how somethings are always striving to be a thing; they are constantly in motion. for example, all the particles in a chair are constantly working to be that chair; their work is never done. i feel the same thing with finding "truth" or any knowledge in a general sense; your work is never done. so i guess i don't really know if it's possible for humans to know truth without knowing what truth is, but whatever it is, it is a struggle.

that probably doesn't make much sense though since i'm not a philosophy major or anything, it's something i really want to get a degree in after my current degree though.

It's good that you are open to it. What you are talking about reminds me of a claim by Sextus Empiricus. While it may not be possible to know or know that you do not know, you can continue searching for something that might be knowable. If this kind of thinking interests you, you should look into philosophical skepticism and more specifically Pyrrhonian skepticism, rather than trying to get comfy in agnosticism.

[PotVsKtl]

I've found that like atheists, a view like that is more rooted in your feelings about belief in god than it is in any actual knowledge about the nature of reality.

So the idea that it is not possible to know the nature of reality as it relates to higher powers is not related to knowledge about the nature of reality?


Like atheists, even most agnostics are rooted in some belief.

Everything is a belief. The idea that I won't go plummeting into space on the next rotation is a belief. It's irrelevant.

[menikmati]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3306/3311164338_431953e14f_o.jpg

You sorta look like Heath Ledger.

[marooko]

my "belief" is that heath is dead.

[Monklish]

and on top of that, agnostic also means that the knowledge of god existing doesn't have any impact on your day to day life anyways. i don't think there's anyway for me to know in my lifetime, nor do i think it would have an impact on my life.

Like I said, I was just citing the original Huxley meaning. Since then it's been redefined and evolved by a number of people. This came up recently in my job because our company claims to be "technologically agnostic," meaning that we don't push Mac or Windows specifically. I pointed out to my boss that he doesn't know what the word means, and that what he means to say is technologically secular.

Technologically agnostic, of course, would mean that we--as a fucking IT consulting firm--don't believe we can have knowledge of the existence of technology.


That addition is similar to what some call apathetic agnosticism. I've found that like atheists, a view like that is more rooted in your feelings about belief in god than it is in any actual knowledge about the nature of reality.



Like atheists, even most agnostics are rooted in some belief. You believe that is impossible for humans to know whether or not God exists.

An important question to ask yourself if you are agnostic and think you know it all because of your belief is... Is it possible for humans to know truth?

Your points here are kind of silly, as Pot pointed out. You're interpreting "belief" in a bizarre way.

[menikmati]

Well he looks like a younger Heath Ledger who is much older now and oh yeah dead too.

[marooko]

he does, doesnt he?

[kitt kat]

So I found a round-trip ticket from Dublin (right?) to LAX on United for $221 + fees!!!!!!! MP, this trip is so doable.

http://www.cheapoair.com/Default.aspx?tabid=1685&sid=1&oa=DUB&da=LAX&adt=1&chd=0&snr=0&infl=0&infs=0&dd=04-16-2009&rd=04-20-2009&tt=ROUNDTRIP

Um. That's so cheap. MP, you have to do it. I'd totally throw in $10 if it meant an epic Coachellapeople breakfast or something.


Yes. On the Kalalau Trail.

Is this anywhere near the dead end road that stops at that crazy beach up by Princeville? My parents always make us go up there, but we have a place on the southshore, so that car ride makes me car sick and I can't even think about it now it's so bad :(

[Cherita Chen]

I thought you didnt wanna meet people from the boards, katt. It was "too embarrassing" or something

[BlackSwan]

So the idea that it is not possible to know the nature of reality as it relates to higher powers is not related to knowledge about the nature of reality?

No. That is not what I said and if you found it to be implied, that was not what I was implying. I was referring to the reason they believed it, not the belief itself.


Everything is a belief. The idea that I won't go plummeting into space on the next rotation is a belief. It's irrelevant.

If you believe that everything is a belief, then are there degrees to which specific believes are plausible?



Your points here are kind of silly, as Pot pointed out. You're interpreting "belief" in a bizarre way.

It seems more like you are both misinterpreting what I am saying.

[chairmenmeow47]

back to topic...

me and my friend jill at snowbowl last weekend, more to come in the "winter fun" thread :)

http://ivy.aholic.us/gallery/d/767682-1/snowbowl+snowbunnies+17.jpg

a view from the top. this was taken while i slyly let these guys who were hitting on me on the lift go first and then i secretly waited there & took pictures to delay having to catch up to them :p

http://ivy.aholic.us/gallery/d/767685-1/snowbowl+snowbunnies+29.jpg

http://ivy.aholic.us/gallery/d/767687-1/snowbowl+snowbunnies+33.jpg

[marooko]

whoa! scratch what i wrote....pretend theres a pic here.

[WhyTheLongFace]

Atheist checking in :)
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2406/245/122/2520519/n2520519_45167153_6096.jpg

[Monklish]

No. That is not what I said and if you found it to be implied, that was not what I was implying. I was referring to the reason they believed it, not the belief itself.



If you believe that everything is a belief, then are there degrees to which specific believes are plausible?



It seems more like you are both misinterpreting what I am saying.

This is because what you are saying is uninterpretable babble.

[kitt kat]

I thought you didnt wanna meet people from the boards, katt. It was "too embarrassing" or something

I have my ones I'd tolerate ;)

[BlackSwan]

This is because what you are saying is uninterpretable babble.

That doesn't really mean much coming from someone who is proud of having a GED.

[Monklish]

I'm proud of having a GED because it helped me avoid dealing with jerkoffs who go around spouting uninterpretable pseudo-intellectual babble, like yourself.

[marooko]

Atheist checking in :)
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2406/245/122/2520519/n2520519_45167153_6096.jpg

ahahaha. nice paper towel roll.

[stinkbutt]

It seems more like you are both misinterpreting what I am saying.

The Frozen Pilgrim defense

[BlackSwan]

I'm proud of having a GED because it helped me avoid dealing with jerkoffs who go around spouting uninterpretable pseudo-intellectual babble, like yourself.

There is nothing convincing about an ad hominem argument.

[Monklish]

There is nothing convincing about an ad hominem argument.

That is not an ad hominem argument. See, this again is why I'm glad I didn't bother going to college. You went, paid tons of money, and don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

An ad hominem attack would be if I said your argument was invalid because you're dumb. Which you are. But that's not what I said. What I said is that your argument is invalid because it is incomprehensible babble. That is a criticism of your argument, not you.

Would you like me to keep pointing out the advantages of a GED? =)

[Monklish]

Now what's even funnier about all this is before you falsely accused me of an ad hominem argument, you yourself were guilty of trying to invalidate my argument on the grounds that I only have a GED. Which, since you supposedly studied argument or debate, you should know is an argument from authority--which IS invalid.

So, so far you've misappropriated ad hominem in your attempt to defend your own argument from authority, all in the interest of proving that what you're saying is remotely knowledgeable logic.

Good work, putz.

[BlackSwan]

That is not an ad hominem argument. See, this again is why I'm glad I didn't bother going to college. You went, paid tons of money, and don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

An ad hominem attack would be if I said your argument was invalid because you're dumb. Which you are. But that's not what I said. What I said is that your argument is invalid because it is incomprehensible babble. That is a criticism of your argument, not you.

Would you like me to keep pointing out the advantages of a GED? =)

I got paid to go to college, but that is not the point here. You are using a simplistic understanding of an "ad hominem argument" to try to serve you own position. By criticizing my argument on the basis that it is "incomprehensible babble", you are in turn criticizing me, my ability to argue and my intelligence in general.

[BlackSwan]

Now what's even funnier about all this is before you falsely accused me of an ad hominem argument, you yourself were guilty of trying to invalidate my argument on the grounds that I only have a GED. Which, since you supposedly studied argument or debate, you should know is an argument from authority--which IS invalid.

So, so far you've misappropriated ad hominem in your attempt to defend your own argument from authority, all in the interest of proving that what you're saying is remotely knowledgeable logic.

Good work, putz.

I wasn't trying to invalidate your argument on the grounds that you only have a GED. There was no point in trying to argue against your post because it was ad hominem, so I took a cheap shot at you.

[Monklish]

A simplistic understanding of ad hominem? I'm sorry, would you care to enlighten me on some other meaning of it? Cause one doesn't exist. Ad hominem means attacking the man and not the argument. I attacked the argument and threw in a commentary on you as a person. My comment on your person was not my argument.

If I explain why your argument is stupid and then say you're stupid, that doesn't make it an ad hominem attack.

maybe you should go back to school.

[MissingPerson]

Yeah, but can you explain that using only pictures of Win Butler and Chris Martin?

[SubBass49]

Yes. On the Kalalau Trail.

I had my honeymoon in Kauai...BEAUTIFUL doesn't even begin to describe it.

Did you ever make it over to Queen's Bath?

[BlackSwan]

A simplistic understanding of ad hominem? I'm sorry, would you care to enlighten me on some other meaning of it? Cause one doesn't exist. Ad hominem means attacking the man and not the argument. I attacked the argument and threw in a commentary on you as a person. My comment on your person was not my argument.

If I explain why your argument is stupid and then say you're stupid, that doesn't make it an ad hominem attack.

maybe you should go back to school.

It not about meaning. It's simplistic because you were defining it to only mean a direct abusive personal attack, like your example of calling me dumb. You attacked the argument by calling it "silly" and said "I was interpreting "belief" in a bizarre way"...



Your points here are kind of silly, as Pot pointed out. You're interpreting "belief" in a bizarre way.

You never explained anything. I tried to clarify, but your attack remained the same.

[ivankay]

Yeah, but can you explain that using only pictures of Win Butler and Chris Martin?

Or yourself. Since the conversation is about thinking and shit:

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/3/l_9258faab12cc4ba2e626be7236ec26e8.jpg

[locachica73]

Kauai has to be my favorite island. I have been to Maui, Oahu and Kauai, alot of people say Maui is better because it is more of the party island but I can party anywhere, Kauai is just beautiful, and less tourists then the other two islands. Although being afraid of birds all the wild roosters freaked me out a bit.

[zenidogx]

Yeah, but can you explain that using only pictures of Win Butler and Chris Martin?

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/godinez07/gpaltrow.jpg?t=1235768609

[zajaa]

I'm proud of having a GED because it helped me avoid dealing with jerkoffs who go around spouting uninterpretable pseudo-intellectual babble, like yourself.

boasting about not having gone to college is fucking stupid.

[SubBass49]

Kauai has to be my favorite island. I have been to Maui, Oahu and Kauai, alot of people say Maui is better because it is more of the party island but I can party anywhere, Kauai is just beautiful, and less tourists then the other two islands. Although being afraid of birds all the wild roosters freaked me out a bit.

Kauai was definitely more my style than any other island. I did my research before travelling there, and knew what to expect with all the wild chickens/roosters. Stayed in a little condo on Poipu Beach. Fresh mango trees all around us dropping their fruit. Tropical birds eating mangos in the early morning sunlight. The quick rainshowers that would hit and leave within 5 minutes. Shave Ice at JoJo's. Kalua pork in Waimea.

Goddamnit...I wanna go back.

[locachica73]

OMG Kalua Pork in Waimea was one of my favorites. Although my first trip we did stay at North Shore Oahu, which was pretty sweet too. There was a little shack up there called Killer Tacos and they made Kalua Pork tacos and burritos. They were so fuckin good. I plan on going back sometime soon. I have never felt more relaxed then the time spent in Hawaii.

[MissingPerson]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/godinez07/gpaltrow.jpg?t=1235768609

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/jill_valentine/jeremybitch.jpg

[TommyboyUNM]

So, to sum it all up, Chris Martin and Win Butler were talking about what it means to be agnostic then started personally attacking each other and went to Hawaii? I love this thread.



(Randy and BlackSwan, I'm actually interested in your banter. Proceed.)

[WhyTheLongFace]

boasting about not having gone to college is fucking stupid.

boasting about going to college is kind of dumb too. It's about the intelligence not the diploma.

/devil's advocate

[locachica73]

Agreed...

coming from a non college person with a GED.

[SubBass49]

OMG Kalua Pork in Waimea was one of my favorites. Although my first trip we did stay at North Shore Oahu, which was pretty sweet too. There was a little shack up there called Killer Tacos and they made Kalua Pork tacos and burritos. They were so fuckin good. I plan on going back sometime soon. I have never felt more relaxed then the time spent in Hawaii.

You should try San Felipe Mexico some time. Relaxing like Hawaii, but MUCH LESS expensive. It's like a desert version of Hawaii...but don't drink the water.

[locachica73]

Water is the last thing I think about drinking while on vacation. :)

I have never been to Mexico. My ex was from Ixtapa and he always promised to take me there but we never made it. I would like to go sometime though. But Hawaii will always hold a special place in my heart. I also am a huge fan of NYC but for completely different reasons.

[MissingPerson]

So, to sum it all up, Chris Martin and Win Butler were talking about what it means to be agnostic

This bit is weirdly plausible, but dammit man, USE THE PICTURES.

[zenidogx]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/jill_valentine/jeremybitch.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/godinez07/arcadefire-u2montreal05.jpg?t=1235769745

[TommyboyUNM]

This bit is weirdly plausible, but dammit man, USE THE PICTURES.


I'm at work. I do what I can while I hide the browser from people walking behind me :(

[zajaa]

boasting about going to college is kind of dumb too. It's about the intelligence not the diploma.

/devil's advocate

granted. but college is about more than just gaining intelligence. it's four incredibly important, formative years in the lives of young adults. school is not for everyone, but i would say the more people who achieve higher education, the better.

irritating positions:
"i don't need 'book-smarts', i have real-world knowledge"
"you won't learn _______ at your fancy college..."
etc.

[locachica73]

There was a comic once that said something about spending thousands of dollars to send their kid to a university and he came back only knowing how to bounce a quarter in a glass. I know people with four year degrees who can't get jobs and when they do make less money then I do. It just depends on the person and the motivation.

[zajaa]

There was a comic once that said something about spending thousands of dollars to send their kid to a university and he came back only knowing how to bounce a quarter in a glass. I know people with four year degrees who can't get jobs and when they do make less money then I do. It just depends on the person and the motivation.

Eventually making a ton of cash is definitely not the point of going to college. Although for some people that's the only goal. It's a shame.

[WhyTheLongFace]

granted. but college is about more than just gaining intelligence. it's four incredibly important, formative years in the lives of young adults. school is not for everyone, but i would say the more people who achieve higher education, the better.

irritating positions:
"i don't need 'book-smarts', i have real-world knowledge"
"you won't learn _______ at your fancy college..."
etc.

Yeah I understand that. I am actually enrolled in college. I am just saying how those are irritating positions to you so is
"What do you mean you're not going to school? You need college"
"You won't be successful without some form of education"
"I graduated from ______ university which means I know more than you"
That's all I'm saying

[marooko]

you guys seem pretty . . . true to your schools.

[BlackSwan]

It just depends on the person and the motivation.

There we go.

[zajaa]

Yeah I understand that. I am actually enrolled in college. I am just saying how those are irritating positions to you so is
"What do you mean you're not going to school? You need college"
"You won't be successful without some form of education"
"I graduated from ______ university which means I know more than you"
That's all I'm saying

well the first two of those are said by people trying to encourage others, which i see as a good thing, even at the risk of being misinterpreted as being condescending. the third one is obviously rude and unnecessary, but in many cases it's probably true.

the anti-college positions i pointed out are terrible because they come from a position of ignorance, since the person hasn't been to college and cannot judge, and secondly because they seem very defensive, like the person actually feels inferior for not completing higher education, so they turn it around on those who actually made the effort and achieved it.

[locachica73]

I do not feel inferior by any means, although it seems you feel a little superior in your arguement. Some people don't have the option of going to a 4 year college and do the best they can with what they have. Someone with such a high education should probably recognize that.

[MissingPerson]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/godinez07/arcadefire-u2montreal05.jpg?t=1235769745

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/jill_valentine/wentthere.jpg

[Gribbz]

Hahaha I had no idea there was so much hate for the arcade fire out there.

I don't listen to their music but they were pretty good in 07.

[WhyTheLongFace]

well the first two of those are said by people trying to encourage others, which i see as a good thing, even at the risk of being misinterpreted as being condescending. the third one is obviously rude and unnecessary, but in many cases it's probably true.

the anti-college positions i pointed out are terrible because they come from a position of ignorance, since the person hasn't been to college and cannot judge, and secondly because they seem very defensive, like the person actually feels inferior for not completing higher education, so they turn it around on those who actually made the effort and achieved it.

ok the 1st are not encouraging because you're assuming whats good for you is good for everyone else. If I go the route I want to go without heading through college then what's the point for college. You obviously think college is/was necessary for you and I do as well. But it isn't some out of this world idea that maybe some people can bypass college and be successful.

And I don't know how you can defend the 3rd statement. I can find someone who didn't go to college who is smarter a lot of college graduates. It isn't some crazy Matt Damon janitor success story either I'm talking regular people. The statement "I went to college and am smarter than you because of it" is just as ignorant as "I didn't go to college and I'm smarter than you because of it"

And you seem more defensive as if you think your diploma makes you smarter and someone saying it doesn't takes away from your college experience.

[MissingPerson]

Hahaha I had no idea there was so much hate for the arcade fire out there.

I don't listen to their music but they were pretty good in 07.


Arcade Fire cannot generate hate. Only greater or lesser degrees of love.

That's just their way. They're Canadian.

[zenidogx]

Arcade Fire cannot generate hate. Only greater or lesser degrees of love.

That's just their way. They're Canadian.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/godinez07/Chris_Martin_jpg_929911b.jpg?t=1235771811

[BlackSwan]

well the first two of those are said by people trying to encourage others, which i see as a good thing, even at the risk of being misinterpreted as being condescending.


I'd say they first two are not very convincing and inaccurate before condescending.

[zajaa]

I do not feel inferior by any means, although it seems you feel a little superior in your arguement. Some people don't have the option of going to a 4 year college and do the best they can with what they have. Someone with such a high education should probably recognize that.

oh well i don't mean you in particular, i'm speaking in general.

i imagine there are legit circumstances that make it difficult for people to go to college... but if it's a matter of income, i do not understand, because grants, loans and scholarships are always available. if it's a matter of poor grades in high school, i really can't sympathize.

[BROKENDOLL]

So, to sum it all up, Chris Martin and Win Butler were talking about what it means to be agnostic then started personally attacking each other and went to Hawaii? I love this thread.
(Randy and BlackSwan, I'm actually interested in your banter. Proceed.) But, Tommyboy, this is not the banter thread, so... It looks as if someone has to try and get this thread back on track... http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w18/1BROKENDOLL/2008-12-20-80172-1-1.jpg


I do not feel inferior by any means, although it seems you feel a little superior in your arguement. Some people don't have the option of going to a 4 year college and do the best they can with what they have. Someone with such a high education should probably recognize that. I R not college graduate and R best I can B...

[zajaa]

ok the 1st are not encouraging because you're assuming whats good for you is good for everyone else. If I go the route I want to go without heading through college then what's the point for college. You obviously think college is/was necessary for you and I do as well. But it isn't some out of this world idea that maybe some people can bypass college and be successful.

And I don't know how you can defend the 3rd statement. I can find someone who didn't go to college who is smarter a lot of college graduates. It isn't some crazy Matt Damon janitor success story either I'm talking regular people. The statement "I went to college and am smarter than you because of it" is just as ignorant as "I didn't go to college and I'm smarter than you because of it"

And you seem more defensive as if you think your diploma makes you smarter and someone saying it doesn't takes away from your college experience.

the notion that the average college graduate is smarter/more intelligent/etc than the average person who did not attend college is not ignorant or indefensible... it's common sense. it's not very 'nice' but it's reality: some people are smarter than others, better at certain things than others, etc. i believe in treating people equally regardless, but if you want to get down to it then sorry but the average person is smarter for going to college.

i personally don't feel like anyone is 'taking away from my college experience'. that is one thing that no one can take away. i just really wanted to offer a protest against this common attitude of putting down college. perhaps i should not speculate that it comes from 'inferiority' like i said, maybe that is unfair. but either way, i think it's just bad advice to discourage people in their educational aspirations.

[CalmerThanYou]

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/36/l_3ee4c64714a644668f4d33d5ddefda6c.jpg
Riding our dog Marley


i am officially tripped the FUCK OUT.

The dog that my roomates own looks identical to this dog. her name is MARLEY.

What. The. Fuck.

I'll post pics asap.

[MissingPerson]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/godinez07/Chris_Martin_jpg_929911b.jpg?t=1235771811

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/jill_valentine/yarly.jpg

[PotVsKtl]

the notion that the average college graduate is smarter/more intelligent/etc than the average person who did not attend college is not ignorant or indefensible... it's common sense. it's not very 'nice' but it's reality: some people are smarter than others, better at certain things than others, etc. i believe in treating people equally regardless, but if you want to get down to it then sorry but the average person is smarter for going to college.

i personally don't feel like anyone is 'taking away from my college experience'. that is one thing that no one can take away. i just really wanted to offer a protest against this common attitude of putting down college. perhaps i should not speculate that it comes from 'inferiority' like i said, maybe that is unfair. but either way, i think it's just bad advice to discourage people in their educational aspirations.

You don't seem particularly familiar with the definition of intelligence.

[zajaa]

You don't seem particularly familiar with the definition of intelligence.

sounds like the pot calling the kettle black lolz

[CalmerThanYou]

OH NO YOU DIDNT!?!?!

[zajaa]

You don't seem particularly familiar with the definition of intelligence.

and please, enlighten me

[locachica73]

i think it's just bad advice to discourage people in their educational aspirations.

I do not recall anyone discouraging people from educational aspirations, although I do think it is a little crazy for an 18 year old who just went through 12 years of school to decide what they want to do with the rest of their lives, commit thousands and thousands of their future salary and 4+ years of their time without knowing for sure. I know people who have master degrees in whatever it is they decided to go to school for and either hate thier jobs because they felt pressured to make that choice at such a young age or they do something completely different then what they went to school for.

[WhyTheLongFace]

the notion that the average college graduate is smarter/more intelligent/etc than the average person who did not attend college is not ignorant or indefensible... it's common sense. it's not very 'nice' but it's reality: some people are smarter than others, better at certain things than others, etc. i believe in treating people equally regardless, but if you want to get down to it then sorry but the average person is smarter for going to college.

i personally don't feel like anyone is 'taking away from my college experience'. that is one thing that no one can take away. i just really wanted to offer a protest against this common attitude of putting down college. perhaps i should not speculate that it comes from 'inferiority' like i said, maybe that is unfair. but either way, i think it's just bad advice to discourage people in their educational aspirations.

Ok I give you that average person w/ college degree>average person. But you don't know this person from a hole in the wall so for you to play down their intelligence and look someone you just met in the eye who doesn't have a college degree and think "I'm smarter than them" without even having a conversation to gauge their intelligence is your superioty complex coming in to play.

And your logic doesn't make sense. I don't know where you went to college but let's say it was ranked #100 on best colleges in the world. A respectable rank and graduating from there is an accomplishment but does that mean everyone who graduated from the 99 schools ranked above is smarter than you? By your theory, yes.

And no one is discouraging college, like I said before I am in college so clearly I think it's good for me and I wouldn't discourage anybody from going this route. But if someone told me "School isn't for me I am going to do (________)" then who am I to say, "That's dumb you shouldn't do that school worked for me it will work for you. And if you don't go to college you'll always be dumber than me"

To be honest I have learned a lot in my almost 3 years of college but I havent learned much more than I would have had I stuk my self in a library for 3 years. To be honest I am using college for what it has now become, a networking facility. Yes I am gaining the basic skills needed in my profession but I use it to network so that when I go out I can be advanced in my profession. Also this little piece of paper doesn't tell me I am smarter than anyway but it's going to open a door that otherwise would be close. Going to college is a more intelligent business move? I'll give you that. Going to college makes you more intelligent than the next man or woman? Naw I can't give you that G.

[CalmerThanYou]

GET FLUNKY WITH IT!

http://audiocal.com/members/userdata/demo/74.jpg

[zajaa]

I do not recall anyone discouraging people from educational aspirations, although I do think it is a little crazy for an 18 year old who just went through 12 years of school to decide what they want to do with the rest of their lives, commit thousands and thousands of their future salary and 4+ years of their time without knowing for sure. I know people who have master degrees in whatever it is they decided to go to school for and either hate thier jobs because they felt pressured to make that choice at such a young age or they do something completely different then what they went to school for.

i have heard that most people don't end up working in the field that their degree is in. so this idea of 'what they want to do for the rest of their lives' is bogus. like i said before, college is not vocational school, and it's not just about segueing into a job.

[zajaa]

Ok I give you that average person w/ college degree>average person.
...
Going to college makes you more intelligent than the next man or woman? Naw I can't give you that G.

make up ur mind

[WhyTheLongFace]

make up ur mind

Ok let me break it down for you buddy.
If you take the same person with the same DNA and send them to college they are going to learn more. But if you took two different people you wouldn't know whose smarter.

To make it easier for you to understand edit my post and instead of "average person" put "Person X". Then read the 2nd statement where i say "smarter than the next man or woman. It should click in your mental now.

[locachica73]

If going to college isn't to segue into a job then please enlighten me what it is about. Is it so you can tell people who didn't go to college that you are smarter?

[Gribbz]

I know this isn't much of a contribution..... but it doesn't hurt to have a degree. just saying.

[zenidogx]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/jill_valentine/yarly.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/godinez07/coldplay01.jpg?t=1235774239

[locachica73]

It wouldn't hurt, in fact it is absolutely a plus in the working world. But that does not mean someone is smarter because they have a degree. The previous president of the multi million dollar company I work for who retired and made more money then anyone I know was the smartest person I have ever met. He could take any contract and read it and find any and all loop holes that could possibly come back and bite us in the ass. The person who replaced him, who went all the way in college, has nothing on the other guy.

There are many circumstances that can make it impossible for someone to go to college, it does not make them less smart then someone who's family has the money to put them through school.

[zajaa]

If going to college isn't to segue into a job then please enlighten me what it is about. Is it so you can tell people who didn't go to college that you are smarter?

i will take that question as sarcasm.

certainly, having a degree will benefit your chances of getting a better-paying or cushier-than-average job. that's not something i would deny. but did you consider that perhaps becoming more educated is an end in itself? increasing your knowledge, learning to think critically, to think in new ways, from new points of view... this can only enrich your life, and in turn the lives of those around you. and the net effect on all of society is undeniable; a well-read and educated populous is preferable than the alternative.

i dunno, this seems obvious to me like it doesn't need further explanation...?

[zenidogx]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/godinez07/coldplay.jpg?t=1235774538

[Gribbz]

I went to college for the bewbs.

[captncrzy]

The irony of this arguement makes my head want to explode.

[CalmerThanYou]

POST PICTURES DUMB DUMBS!

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/127/l_79c705e833594fa839b446470b64e43e.jpg

[zajaa]

There are many circumstances that can make it impossible for someone to go to college, it does make them less smart then someone who's family has the money to put them through school.

that's such a cop out. the families who dont "have the money" often get their entire educations paid for by grant money, while the kids of those who make too much to qualify for aid pay back college loans for years.

[zenidogx]

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1979/208/6/641248860/n641248860_1569293_1104082.jpg

[CalmerThanYou]

Right after Justice when the WORN had set in.

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/104/l_207cddf3e96094d91ef68cad4eb3e609.jpg

[Gribbz]

WORN?

[CalmerThanYou]

yeah, i was worn the fuck out.

[chairmenmeow47]

please continue the debate here (http://www.coachella.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1053518#post1053518).

signed, a drunken ivysaur on a ski lift:

http://ivy.aholic.us/gallery/d/767753-1/snowbowl+snowbunnies+35.jpg

[WhyTheLongFace]

make up ur mind

ps you forgot the quote the rest of my post. I like to see your opinion. (no sarcasm)

[Gribbz]

yeah, i was worn the fuck out.

Ahhh gotcha. I thought WORN was some new drug I haven't heard of.

[TommyboyUNM]

Did you tap it, Calmer?

[captncrzy]

Thanks Ivy. That was like watching kids poking dog shit with a stick.

[CalmerThanYou]

That's one of my best friends, and my other best friends chick.

HOMEY DONT PLAY THAT.

[ivankay]

And before you go over to the new thread for discussin', pay the piper and post pictures of you in Hawaii, college, not in college, thinking, knowing, not knowing, believing and not believing.

[CalmerThanYou]

Thanks Ivy. That was like watching kids poking dog shit with a stick.

ahh, you too could have some of your very own one day

[Courtney]

As someone who has a graduate degree and taught undergraduates for a period of time, I have given a fair amount of thought to the value of education and its correlation to intelligence.

I think what's tripping up quite a few of you in this thread is that you have no specific, concrete definition of intelligence. Surely, someone who is able to perform well academically exhibits a certain type of intelligence, but it may not be the same type of intelligence as someone who exhibits street smarts. Howard Gardner's theory on multiple intelligences has been quite influential in my own thinking on what it means to be "smart."

Higher education teaches a very specific set of academic-related skills. These skills may or may not be applicable in the real world after graduation, largely dependent on the type of education you receive and the type of job you choose. I tend to advocate a liberal arts undergraduate experience, because it emphasizes critical thought process (which I believe is highly useful throughout life) over pre-professional training, but that's a personal choice. In any case, a college-educated person is nearly always going to finish the experience with increased fluency in the specific set of academic-related skills taught to them. Whether or not this counts as an increased intelligence is dependent on your definition of intelligence.

As to the question of whether the average college-educated person is more intelligent than the non-college educated person, that's trickier to say. My gut says that yes, the average college-educated person is probably more intelligent, given that being (a certain kind of book-)smart makes K-12 school easier which would mean you might be more encouraged to go to college. However, I think that there are certainly outliers who are too smart for their educational setting to handle, who would be bored and less likely to seek out higher education. I also think that there are lots of people who are all different kinds of "smart" in ways unrecognized by the traditional educational system.

[locachica73]

http://i39.tinypic.com/345xyf5.jpg

It's BeerThirty

[marooko]

Thanks Ivy. That was like watching kids poking dog shit with a stick.

except when watching that, its likely one will throw it at the other.

[captncrzy]

ahh, you too could have some of your very own one day

huh?

[captncrzy]

except when watching that, its likely one will throw it at the other.

God, what kind of friends did you have as a kid?

[CalmerThanYou]

Me wielding my infinitely magical Dora the Explorer Scepter in Mexico

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/114/l_1483909fe68111f0fe04f720f72c66e3.jpg

[captncrzy]

http://i39.tinypic.com/345xyf5.jpg

It's BeerThirty

....that beer looks good.

[Gribbz]

Speaking of college.....me on halloween a few years ago.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/DJArcLight/n1183650001_30382991_7308.jpg

[WhyTheLongFace]

And before you go over to the new thread for discussin', pay the piper and post pictures of you in Hawaii, college, not in college, thinking, knowing, not knowing, believing and not believing.

Here's me not knowing
http://photos-g.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-snc1/v2309/215/75/6317493/n6317493_34544750_7450.jpg

[locachica73]

....that beer looks good.

Kona Microbrewery in Oahu. I am pretty sure the one in my hand was a Longboard.

[marooko]

As someone who has a graduate degree and taught undergraduates for a period of time, I have given a fair amount of thought to the value of education and its correlation to intelligence.

I think what's tripping up quite a few of you in this thread is that you have no specific, concrete definition of intelligence. Surely, someone who is able to perform well academically exhibits a certain type of intelligence, but it may not be the same type of intelligence as someone who exhibits street smarts. Howard Gardner's theory on multiple intelligences has been quite influential in my own thinking on what it means to be "smart."

Higher education teaches a very specific set of academic-related skills. These skills may or may not be applicable in the real world after graduation, largely dependent on the type of education you receive and the type of job you choose. I tend to advocate a liberal arts undergraduate experience, because it emphasizes critical thought process (which I believe is highly useful throughout life) over pre-professional training, but that's a personal choice. In any case, a college-educated person is nearly always going to finish the experience with increased fluency in the specific set of academic-related skills taught to them. Whether or not this counts as an increased intelligence is dependent on your definition of intelligence.

As to the question of whether the average college-educated person is more intelligent than the non-college educated person, that's trickier to say. My gut says that yes, the average college-educated person is probably more intelligent, given that being (a certain kind of book-)smart makes K-12 school easier which would mean you might be more encouraged to go to college. However, I think that there are certainly outliers who are too smart for their educational setting to handle, who would be bored and less likely to seek out higher education. I also think that there are lots of people who are all different kinds of "smart" in ways unrecognized by the traditional educational system.

i would like to claim this as my new sig. being that its too long, i wont actually make it my sig., but i just wanted you all to know that it is.

[marooko]

Here's me not knowing
http://photos-g.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-snc1/v2309/215/75/6317493/n6317493_34544750_7450.jpg

where that awesome roll of paper towels that was in the last picture?

[Gribbz]

No offense, but I think Longboard is probably one of the worst beers I've ever had.

I prefer lost coast and stone. :)

[captncrzy]

Speaking of college.....me on halloween a few years ago.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/DJArcLight/n1183650001_30382991_7308.jpg

haaahaaa Bob Ross.

[Gribbz]

haaahaaa Bob Ross.

LOL i'm glad you know who that is.

You'd be surprised.

[captncrzy]

No offense, but I think Longboard is probably one of the worst beers I've ever had.

I prefer lost coast and stone. :)

I think I had some Longboard before. I don't remember if I liked it or not. In any case, it looks reddish.

[marooko]

God, what kind of friends did you have as a kid?



some of my friends stole my bike. they went to detention homes. morans.

[WhyTheLongFace]

where that awesome roll of paper towels that was in the last picture?

I fapped

[luckyface]

....that beer looks good.

That's because it is. Kona Brewery is excellent!

[locachica73]

No offense, but I think Longboard is probably one of the worst beers I've ever had.

I prefer lost coast and stone. :)

I preferred the darker one myself, I can't remember the name now though. I just remember drinking alot of longboards while there, along with alot of Mai Tais. I am not usually an umbrella in the drink kind of girl but it's Hawaii.

OK one last photo and I am off work and on my way to beer. :)

This is my favorite spot in Oahu, this was the back yard of the house we rented in North Shore, I may have posted this before but I am trying to avoid being the non photo poster.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2ic3983.jpg

[marooko]

kids these days and their new slang words.

[luckyface]

I preferred the darker one myself, I can't remember the name now though.

Perhaps you are talking about the Pipeline Porter, which is my favorite beer.

[MissingPerson]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/godinez07/coldplay01.jpg?t=1235774239

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/jill_valentine/seriousbusiness.jpg

[locachica73]

Yes, that is it. I prefer darker beers usually anyway, and I have found that Reds give me a headache the next day. But Rogue Hazelnut Brown will continue to be my favorite for now. :)

[Gribbz]

I love hops. IPA's, pale ales. MMMMMMMMM

[chairmenmeow47]

http://i39.tinypic.com/2ic3983.jpg

pretty pic :)

and i love the bob ross!!!

[Drknowph]

livin it up

[Gribbz]

Bob Ross will paint you some happy trees. But that will be our little secret.......

And if you tell ANYONE about those trees being there, I will come to your house and cut you.

[zenidogx]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/jill_valentine/seriousbusiness.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/godinez07/chris-martin-pr000x0366x539.jpg?t=1235776600

[zajaa]

ps you forgot the quote the rest of my post. I like to see your opinion. (no sarcasm)

i looked up us news & world report- the rank is #44. do i think the kids in the schools above me are smarter than me? not every single one of them, but on average, absolutely.

i'm not so sure that we necessarily disagree about much, i don't have more to really contest... and people are shouting at us to stop arguing and start posting pictures of ourselves. so, here:

In the Heineken dome for reals. Mofo giving me a look too vvv

http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v256/232/32/6009693/n6009693_37606994_167.jpg

edit:
and here i am out for a leisurely sunday drive:

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2126/54/119/6005743/n6005743_41222199_2810.jpg

[zajaa]

:rotfl

[MissingPerson]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/godinez07/chris-martin-pr000x0366x539.jpg?t=1235776600

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/jill_valentine/lightenupfive.jpg

[jimmycrackcorn]

me kneeling in the front row at a friends family get together in cabo punta banda (next to la bufadora)... he had a bunch of shirts made for everybody that way we could rampack the clubs in the night... good times in 08'...

[stinkbutt]

http://i39.tinypic.com/345xyf5.jpg

It's BeerThirty

the guy in the middle looks like my friends uncle

[Monklish]

My good friend having a jolly ole time
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd80/Drknowph/wally.jpg

Look at the smiles on those girls' faces. That's the smile of a group of carnivorous beasts about to feast on unsuspecting prey.

I mean literally. They clearly ate him bones and all. Raw.

[Monklish]

Whether or not this counts as an increased intelligence is dependent on your definition of intelligence.

As to the question of whether the average college-educated person is more intelligent than the non-college educated person, that's trickier to say. My gut says that yes, the average college-educated person is probably more intelligent, given that being (a certain kind of book-)smart makes K-12 school easier which would mean you might be more encouraged to go to college. However, I think that there are certainly outliers who are too smart for their educational setting to handle, who would be bored and less likely to seek out higher education. I also think that there are lots of people who are all different kinds of "smart" in ways unrecognized by the traditional educational system.

Once again, higher education has failed you.

"Intelligence" is the ability of the brain to learn. It has nothing to do with what you have learned, or how much you know. It is--in its true definition--just the capacity one possesses for recognizing patterns and putting the correlations to use in the future.

What you know has nothing to do with whether or not you're intelligent.

Not criticizing you Court, I dig most of what you're saying, just making the point again that, well, some of you educated types (not you) seem to spend an awful lot of time and money studying an awful lot of shit and still engage in discussions that just boggle me with how little actual grasp of the subject matters you possess.

[WhyTheLongFace]

is that a Miami Dolphins tattoo?

[zenidogx]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/jill_valentine/lightenupfive.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/godinez07/coldplay_itunes.jpg?t=1235781300


now that's how you get along, people.

[Drknowph]

is that a Miami Dolphins tattoo?

On my friends arm,its some kinda bird

[zenidogx]

My good friend having a jolly ole time
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd80/Drknowph/wally.jpg

all i see is "bandwidth exceeded"

[MissingPerson]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/godinez07/coldplay_itunes.jpg?t=1235781300

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/jill_valentine/lovefive.jpg

[zenidogx]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/jill_valentine/lovefive.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/godinez07/cold.jpg?t=1235783787

[scarey4477]

Is there anything in my teeth?
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s252/scarey4477/pm21.jpg

Me and my friend Jenn who will join me at Coachella '09
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s252/scarey4477/Random005Large.jpg

[Bud Luster]

I haven't participated too much here so...

me @ the Amber Fort in Jaipur India:

http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww49/budluster/ind.jpg

and me with sun in my eyes at Sioux Falls in South Dakota:

http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww49/budluster/KBsdfalls.jpg

[zenidogx]

Me and my friend Jenn who will join me at Coachella '09


funny, she'll be joining me at coachella too.
;)

[Cherita Chen]

How do you guys (missingperson and zenidog) keep doing that to the pictures? Like adding captions and whatnot. I wanna play

[Bud Luster]

I think you can do it pretty easily if you have ms paint or other such program. Photoshop too of course.

[zenidogx]

How do you guys (missingperson and zenidog) keep doing that to the pictures? Like adding captions and whatnot. I wanna play
i could say something witty, but meh:

internet --> save image as --> edit with MS Paint --> add text --> upload to image hosting site --> post --> repeat --> ??? --> profit

[Cherita Chen]

Oh yeah. Duh. Pardon my ignorance

[SubBass49]

and me with sun in my eyes at Sioux Falls in South Dakota:
http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww49/budluster/KBsdfalls.jpg

I thought the Gingers only came out at night...

[ivankay]

http://b9.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00035/93/62/35102639_l.jpg

What's going on here?

In 2004 i went to Kauai for my friends' wedding. A bunch of people went and a few houses were shared. One day, the doctor staying in my house woke me up and asked "Do you want to see a 300 foot waterfall?"

"That sounds cool. What do i need?"

"Shoes with treads that strap on."

i had those in the form of these leather Disels i brought along. So i got up and dressed in what you see, threw some waters, granola bars and other stuff in my back pack and got in a van with all the other interested parties. We drove to the end of the road to the Kalalau Trail.

If you look up this trail in the Ultimate Kauai guide book, it is described as beautiful, but treacherous. It is. For the first 2 miles we hiked up and around a mountain with beautiful views of the ocean and sporadic rains. We ended up at a secret beach where we rested and had some food. Then a decision had to be made to either go back or hike 2 more miles inland to get to the waterfall. Even though i was a bit worn from being out of shape, my main motivation was to see the waterfall and went with a smaller group inland.

It was only about a thousand feet into the jungle i started suspecting this wasn't the best idea. There was a lot more mud and the shoes i was wearing started to get bigger and more slippery. See, i'm stupid and did not know the material my Diesels were made of expanded when they got wet. So i'm sliding around in my shoes while trying to walk uphill in a jungle and keep up with a group of smart people in the proper shoes. There are points where i lose balance and eat shit here and there (even face planted into one of those tree with sharp leaves that cut into my face). This will only get worse. i try to take off the shoes, but walking around without them is slicing up my feet.

Anyway, by the time i get to the gorgeous and amazing waterfall, all i want to do is sit on a rock and dry my waterlogged feet as much as possible before we turn around and go back 4 miles. i was a tad bummed i couldn't go under the falls, but it was still wonderful.

Oh, i'm almost out of water because i was drinking more than anticipated.

Hiking back is almost like a solo experience because i can't keep up. Every step i take has to be a careful plant. When i forget this and try to take a casual step i fall. i'm starting to get dehydrated on top of all the abuse my body is getting. Somewhere on the way back i end up high while my group is low. i now have to find my way to them. While doing that i step into mud up to my thigh. While pulling my leg out, i lose my shoe. In misery i get on my knees and start throwing my fist into the mud to get it back. i want to just leave it because it's been a major part of my suffering, but i can't make it back with out it. After a few tries, the tips of my fingers touch the straps and i pull it out.

The picture you see was taken a little bit after that by the doctor. At this point the only people left in the slow group are his wife (the yellow dress) and us. The doctor says to me "You're scaring me."

"Why?"

"Every step you take, I think your tendons are going to snap."

"Fuck."

By the time we get to the beach, it's just me and the doctor. i'm getting seriously dehydrated now. i was wearing contacts and no matter how many drops i would put in they were dry which made it hard to see. i wanted to rest more than we did, but being still started to cramp me up and it hurt like a muther fucker.

About a half mile into the final 2, i tell the doctor to just go on. i tell him not to worry and i will make it out. my walking at that point was just baby step. plop. plop. plop. He was always waiting on me and i felt like a total ass. Before he left, i asked him for some water because mine was long gone. He gave me half of his which barley filled the bottom of my mouth.

It was just me. If i came to a rock i had to step down from, i would instead have to sit on the rock and then stand. If i tried to step down, i fell. With about a mile to go, it rained on me again. i wanted to die. i just wanted to lay down and die. i couldn't see. my throat felt like crumpled up sand paper. my whole body was PAIN. i hope it wouldn't ruin the wedding and thought it would be real easy to find my body. But i kept going. Then it rained again. i slipped and cried out to God:

"Do me a favor and make this trail dry!"

The a voice entered me and like bold print in my brain said:

DO IT ON THE TRAIL'S TIME. NOT YOUR OWN

oh.

When i made it out of the jungle i saw Tony (one of the people who elected not to go further than the beach) waiting for me. Like talking through a sand pit i asked him if he had any water. He took me to the van and there was one of those 1/4 filled water bottles on the floor. i didn't care about where it came from and guzzled it. Tony helped me to a drinking fountain where i spent a good amount of time. Getting out of that trail was one of the most joyous experiences of my life.

my body was shot and i had stigmata on my feet. The shoes i was wearing did a good job of cutting off the skin of the top of my feet. Here's a picture of me dancing at the wedding:

http://b9.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00034/98/59/34719589_l.jpg

i couldn't wear shoes because it was too painful.

And for my fellow Lost fans, the name of the doctor was Christian.

[gmoneyak]

Busy thread today, Bud Luster is pasty.

[Pixiessp]

Nautical Pix
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t18/Pixiessp/CaptainJoann-1.jpg

[kitt kat]

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2422/98/82/3430641/n3430641_41121451_6862214.jpg

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT

[miscorrections]

SUNGLASSES AT A SHOW. REALLY.

[miscorrections]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v686/hawkingvsreeve/SEALnewcolors.jpg

[kitt kat]

SUNGLASSES AT A SHOW. REALLY. DIAF.

my makeup was running. i was hiding my sweaty ugly face and my one eye that looks lazy but isn't OKKKKKK?

[miscorrections]

SEE ABOVE.

[bmack86]

When I met Kittkat tonight she didn't have shades on. Sayin.

[Monklish]

When I met Kittkat tonight she didn't have shades on. Sayin.

Why in the world would you meet Kitt Kat?

Bmack, I know you try to find value in everything that sucks--sucky movies, sucky music... but why bother with sucky people?

[kitt kat]

I gave him my extra ticket, asshole.

[bmack86]

She sold me a ticket to Animal Collective at the Troubadour tonight. and was very nice.

[Monklish]

So she gave you her extra ticket to an unlistenable band's show? Doesn't seem like a great excuse.


=)

[bmack86]

I almost typed out what I expected your response to be. I'll admit, I missed the smile.

hugs.

[Monklish]

lugz (that's lulz and hugs, in case you were wondering)

[bmack86]

http://members.tripod.com/elusive_phantasm/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/lugz.jpg
Those are also lugz

[Astrid]

i only find it unfortunate when someone would personally benefit from furthering their education and chooses not to. there are many kinds of people who will not benefit from college, either because they wont use it to its full advantage, they learn through different means, whatever. but some people could and would really thrive in an environment where they would be surrounded by like minded, curious, knowledge seeking individuals, and i feel it is a loss if they dont experience that.

but i find it a very limited view to think that going to a university is the only way to cultivate your intelligence.


also zenidog and mp, endless love. :pulse keep up the good work.

[Cherita Chen]

my makeup was running. i was hiding my sweaty ugly face and my one eye that looks lazy but isn't OKKKKKK?

You don't have to explain yourself to them.

[PotVsKtl]

lugz (that's lulz and hugs, in case you were wondering)

No homo.

[Cherita Chen]

http://i546.photobucket.com/albums/hh425/sbessiso/etc002-2.jpg?t=1235817142

[Monklish]

We get... aw, fuck it.

[greghead]

Hotel Pulitzer in Amsterdam. Cannabis Cup 2006, I think. Because of my job I was able to get a $500/night room for $79.

I kept the robe and successfully challenged the charge. Fuckerz.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll239/greg-head/Ballin.jpg

[Gribbz]

"I kept the robe and successfully challenged the charge. Fuckerz."

LOL.


You got the wrong kinda smoke in your hand mang.

[greghead]

Oh we had quite a bit of the good stuff, too

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll239/greg-head/Collection.jpg

EDIT: My personal favorite:

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll239/greg-head/G-13Haze.jpg

[Jef-free]

Hi! I'd like to be your friend now.

[Jon Blazed]

Barney Rubble