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C DUB YA
06-27-2008, 12:48 PM
In a victory for IAC/InterActiveCorp's Ticketmaster, a federal court ordered a maker of software used by ticket brokers to pay more than $18 million to the world's dominant ticket seller.

Last year, Ticketmaster sued Pittsburgh-based RMG Technologies Inc. for creating software that allowed its users to gain access to tickets via the Internet much more quickly than average customers of Ticketmaster.com.

Ticketmaster said the RMG software violated its terms of service and other rights by automatically circumventing controls designed to verify that a given user was a real person. That allowed brokers to inundate Ticketmaster's system with thousands of requests for seats when popular events went on sale, "in effect allowing them to cut in line," according to Ticketmaster. [Wall Street Journal]

Seriously, WTF! Scalpers!

menikmati
06-27-2008, 12:52 PM
The internets should never of been invented, and people should have to line up physically in a line to buy tickets one per person!

SFChrissy
06-27-2008, 12:57 PM
The internets should never of been invented, and people should have to line up physically in a line to buy tickets one per person!

Those were the goood old days!!!

And maybe with that 18 mill settlement to ticketbastard...we'll have a reduction in service fee's...I'm not holding my breath though...but it would be nice!!!

C DUB YA
06-27-2008, 01:01 PM
Yeah, no holding of breath.

I do miss lining up - it weeded out a lot of riff raff that really didn't want to go anyways.

Newro7ic
06-27-2008, 01:07 PM
Yeah, no holding of breath.

I do miss lining up - it weeded out a lot of riff raff that really didn't want to go anyways.

I lined up once. It was for Pearl Jam when they were touring for Yield. After that I had a friend with a family member who worked at a Ticketmaster location. They have first dibs on all tickets. I had floor to everything back then...

... I miss those days.

RotationSlimWang
06-27-2008, 01:12 PM
Wait, why are we siding for Ticketmaster? Why the fuck should they possibly be getting a settlement out of this? I fail to see how any damage was done to them, financially or otherwise.

JustSteve
06-27-2008, 01:12 PM
my first line-up was for weenie roast in '92, i think. there had to be close to a thousand people waiting for bracelets and the random number announcement. they called the number and my friend's bracelet was 1 NUMBER below the number they called! we were so bummed...until we went across the street to the auto parts store and borrowed a pen and changed the 3 on the bracelet to an 8...and it worked! my friend was suddenly 4th in line and begging the person who had the actual bracelet to keep their mouth shut! got seats and enjoyed that show so much...

my other big memory was trying to get metallica tickets. they were my favorite band back in '94 and i woke up at 6am so my dad could drive me over to the wherehouse nearby. i was first in line and right when tickets went on sale i was so excited, got 13th row seats. the show was great, made eye contact with kirk(my guitar god back then, the reason i started playing) numerous times and at the end even caught one of his picks...that was the night i became a concert junkie. a few years later i was fortunate enough to get a job in the biz and haven't really had to deal with ticketmaster too often since then.

shakermaker113
06-27-2008, 01:22 PM
hmm. now if we actually see it get easier to purchase concert tickets to high-profile events (like Radiohead), then this is a big deal.

on the other hand -- this just requires the software MAKER to pay. it doesn't effectively stop the scalpers using the software. it might, however, discourage people making such software in the future -- which means when ticketmaster changes their security so that the current available software doesn't work, we might be in business.

we can hope.

Hopeless Semantic
06-27-2008, 01:28 PM
Man, aint nothing like sharing a few bowls and lining up outside the local Blockbuster Music stores. Remember those? I remember making close to a grand one weekend being the first in line to by Garth Brooks tickets. Got 3rd row tickets for a broker (a pair) and he sold them for close to 2,500 and I got $800 for basically doing what I would've been doing for free. That was alot of money for a high school junior back then. I also made some crazy money the year Jordan came back. Tickets for his visit to the Forum were going for a grand a piece.

BlackSwan
06-27-2008, 01:35 PM
Wait, why are we siding for Ticketmaster? Why the fuck should they possibly be getting a settlement out of this? I fail to see how any damage was done to them, financially or otherwise.

the real damage is that a lot of people got cheated out of tickets. Fuck Ticketmaster. Fuck RMG Technologies Inc..

With that said... where can i get this software?

Sexecutioner
06-27-2008, 01:36 PM
Man, aint nothing like sharing a few bowls and lining up outside the local Blockbuster Music stores. Remember those? I remember making close to a grand one weekend being the first in line to by Garth Brooks tickets. Got 3rd row tickets for a broker (a pair) and he sold them for close to 2,500 and I got $800 for basically doing what I would've been doing for free. That was alot of money for a high school junior back then. I also made some crazy money the year Jordan came back. Tickets for his visit to the Forum were going for a grand a piece.

congratulations, asshole.

Hopeless Semantic
06-27-2008, 01:37 PM
congratulations, asshole.

eat a dick, whore.

shakermaker113
06-27-2008, 01:46 PM
Wait, why are we siding for Ticketmaster? Why the fuck should they possibly be getting a settlement out of this? I fail to see how any damage was done to them, financially or otherwise.

nope. damage is done to us. they're fighting for their customers? I guess once in a while they have to show some compassion.

RotationSlimWang
06-27-2008, 01:46 PM
They're fighting for their customers by taking the money and continuing to overcharge us? Gee, thanks Ticketmaster. Also, fuck you, Ticketmaster.

Sexecutioner
06-27-2008, 01:47 PM
eat a dick, whore.


i hope you die, scalper.

RotationSlimWang
06-27-2008, 01:47 PM
i hope you die, scalper.

HEY, FUCK YOU BUDDY.

Sexecutioner
06-27-2008, 01:48 PM
HEY, FUCK YOU BUDDY.

yea, you can die too, while we're at it.

canexplain
06-27-2008, 01:50 PM
when i was a kid, we used to wait in line overnight just to buy the new LP of xxxxx we were so excited ... then it went on to getting in line for the tickets ... then the scalpers put the homeless in the lines, then they went and did their internet bs ... fans get fucked again in the end ...x****

MarkO
06-27-2008, 01:50 PM
hmm. now if we actually see it get easier to purchase concert tickets to high-profile events (like Radiohead), then this is a big deal........

It won't because they don't put on enough shows. Full stop.

psychic friend
06-27-2008, 01:52 PM
And maybe with that 18 mill settlement to ticketbastard...we'll have a reduction in service fee's...I'm not holding my breath though...but it would be nice!!!

fyi....


The ticketing giant Ticketmaster is getting ready to be spun off from its parent company InterActiveCorp, or IAC, in August and become a stand alone company. When they do, Ticketmaster will start with a debt of $750 million, a result of having to borrow money to pay a dividend to IAC.

http://www.ticketnews.com/Ticketmaster-spin-off-from-IAC-moves-closer-to-reality06827994

Sushov23
06-27-2008, 01:57 PM
fuck, higher service fees!

Hopeless Semantic
06-27-2008, 01:59 PM
i hope you die, scalper.

What a bitter person you are. I don't do it anymore, so you, your terms, and your hopes mean little to me. If you want to untie your ovaries, take up your beef with the ticket brokers, they're the ones who paid us back then.

canexplain
06-27-2008, 01:59 PM
fyi....

http://www.ticketnews.com/Ticketmaster-spin-off-from-IAC-moves-closer-to-reality06827994

woot woot, dani is still alive ... have a great weekend ...x****

212margarita
06-27-2008, 02:05 PM
I worked at a record store with a ticketmaster system during college, and we had a scalper that would pay homeless people or day laborers to stand in line...scalpers will always get over on the system.

instinct
06-27-2008, 02:39 PM
congratulations, asshole.

What's so wrong about what he did? He bought something that was low in price, and he knew he could resell it at a higher value? If you could have got your hands on a ps3 for $20 when they first came out, would you have not bought one and sold it on ebay?? Is everyone on these boards communists or what? If some schmuk wants to buy tickets for much higher than face value, then he should be allowed to. You guys do realize there wouldn't be scalpers if people didn't pay the high prices?

bmack86
06-27-2008, 02:42 PM
Do you have to fellate scalpers every time they're discussed on the board? They aren't the last bastions of Capitalism.

BlackSwan
06-27-2008, 02:44 PM
If some schmuk wants to buy tickets for much higher than face value, then he should be allowed to. You guys do realize there wouldn't be scalpers if people didn't pay the high prices?

true story.

psychic friend
06-27-2008, 02:45 PM
http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/durrr.jpg?w=500&h=375

bmack86
06-27-2008, 02:46 PM
That cat's nose has character

bmack86
06-27-2008, 02:47 PM
true story.

They don't WANT to pay the high prices. They pay them because that's all that is available and they really want to go to the show.

Hopeless Semantic
06-27-2008, 02:48 PM
and cancer

bmack86
06-27-2008, 02:49 PM
It'd be awesome if the cat's eyes were really blue and reddish orange.

Young blood
06-27-2008, 02:51 PM
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/4074266aeb

BlackSwan
06-27-2008, 02:54 PM
They don't WANT to pay the high prices. They pay them because that's all that is available and they really want to go to the show.

when it comes down to it, both are generalizations.

people bought madonna tickets for over $1,000 from StubHub before they even went on sale, seems like they wanted to do that.

...i paid almost $200 for a Radiohead ticket... i didn't want to, but i did want really good seats and i had gotten my last pair for almost nothing so it evened out.

bmack86
06-27-2008, 03:00 PM
people bought madonna tickets for over $1,000 from StubHub before they even went on sale, seems like they wanted to do that.


That just seems like either rich or defeatist people. Either they have enough money that they don't mind throwing it away, or they automatically assume they can't get tickets, so they're just ensuring that a broker will for them.

Sexecutioner
06-27-2008, 03:03 PM
What's so wrong about what he did? He bought something that was low in price, and he knew he could resell it at a higher value? If you could have got your hands on a ps3 for $20 when they first came out, would you have not bought one and sold it on ebay?? Is everyone on these boards communists or what? If some schmuk wants to buy tickets for much higher than face value, then he should be allowed to. You guys do realize there wouldn't be scalpers if people didn't pay the high prices?

whatever makes you feel better about yourself fuckface. no, i wouldnt scalp ps3's either. having morals is not the same as being a commie. yes, morals, what a concept! something you assholes obviously dont have.

suprefan
06-27-2008, 03:10 PM
fyi....

http://www.ticketnews.com/Ticketmaster-spin-off-from-IAC-moves-closer-to-reality06827994

I was gonna say.


TM will be fine though, they make the majority of money from sporting events as it is. Live Nation leaves january 1st and then this is another thing they have to deal with. Theyll survive, but things might change, how, nobody knows yet.

BlackSwan
06-27-2008, 03:10 PM
That just seems like either rich or defeatist people. Either they have enough money that they don't mind throwing it away, or they automatically assume they can't get tickets, so they're just ensuring that a broker will for them.

that is my point... those people WANT to pay to ensure they get tickets. just like to some degree i wanted to pay to ensure i got the exact seats i wanted.

Ardentbiscuit
06-27-2008, 03:12 PM
I hate to be a negative person but nothing ticketmaster does is for the customer.

My issue about this settlement is that compensation should be given to the concert goers who were unable to go to events because of this software. And ticketmaster did nothing until some angry parents trying to get Hannah Montana tickets mobilized and took action.

This is really just a win for ticketmaster not for the concert goer. So what if this company is shut down and/or forced to pay ticketmaster damages. Probrably ten more companies will spring up offering a simaliar product that skirts around whatever was officially set down in this case.

They are probably just happy because they are limiting competition for their own buy, sell and exchange ticket program offered through ticketmaster.com.

I have nothing against ticketmaster. I understand it's a business and they have to make money but really everything they offer is overpriced.

If they really cared they would have made their site more secure from attacks like this. They probably didn't want to invest in developing a new more protected site.

Okay, done venting.

suprefan
06-27-2008, 03:13 PM
LN is going to do a bunch of things soon, and when they get a lil foot in the door TM better start worrying... TM loses every LN venue next year, that shoudl make things interesting.




I hate to be a negative person but nothing ticketmaster does is for the customer.

My issue about this settlement is that compensation should be given to the concert goers who were unable to go to events because of this software. And ticketmaster did nothing until some angry parents trying to get Hannah Montana tickets mobilized and took action.

This is really just a win for ticketmaster not for the concert goer. So what if this company is shut down and/or forced to pay ticketmaster damages. Probrably ten more companies will spring up offering a simaliar product that skirts around whatever was officially set down in this case.

They are probably just happy because they are limiting competition for their own buy, sell and exchange ticket program offered through ticketmaster.com.

I have nothing against ticketmaster. I understand it's a business and they have to make money but really everything they offer is overpriced.

If they really cared they would have made their site more secure from attacks like this. They probably didn't want to invest in developing a new more protected site.

Okay, done venting.



Help start a class action lawsuit that can prove every single person who was denied for every show they tried to get tickets to was due to this.... And how much damages would be, itll never happen.

shakermaker113
06-27-2008, 03:14 PM
They're fighting for their customers by taking the money and continuing to overcharge us? Gee, thanks Ticketmaster. Also, fuck you, Ticketmaster.

if they took the $18 million and contributed it towards reducing fees, once you split that across every ticket they sell in one year would reduce the fees by, what, maybe $1? 10 cents? one lump sum ain't gonna do shit. they're fighting for their customers by trying to give us a fair chance to buy tickets. so we don't have to compete against ticket buying bots. I'll take that, happily.

they don't do much for their customers, but they can't totally neglect us either.

BlackSwan
06-27-2008, 03:15 PM
LN's ticketing system so far is very poor and for the most part independent promoters and venues hate them... so thay have an uphill battle.

instinct
06-27-2008, 03:22 PM
whatever makes you feel better about yourself fuckface. no, i wouldnt scalp ps3's either. having morals is not the same as being a commie. yes, morals, what a concept! something you assholes obviously dont have.

You're right.. I should feel horrible at myself since I buy something at a cheaper cost and sell it at a higher cost.. especially commodities.. and not necessities. You act like I am the scum of the world.. If I am to you, then you really don't have much to be mad about in life. Besides.. not all scalpers are successful and many end up losing money.. Ever see people in front of a show almost GIVING away tickets? They probably bought too many, or it didn't sell as well as they though.

suprefan
06-27-2008, 03:28 PM
LN's ticketing system so far is very poor and for the most part independent promoters and venues hate them... so thay have an uphill battle.

theyll figure it out

instinct
06-27-2008, 04:22 PM
it's all about groovetickets.

Ardentbiscuit
06-27-2008, 04:35 PM
Class action lawsuits are very difficult. If you want to initiate one it is a tremendous amount of work and consumes your entire life.

I think the best thing to do would be to approach lawyers with your case and find one that will take it. Then write ticketmaster a letter saying, "This is what I need and this is my lawyer who will be taking the case, and give all of their information." I guarantee you will get a response...

I really don't think there is enough evidence to create a suit worthly case in regards to missing out on concert tickets. It would be a difficult case to win. Proving the wrong doing and injury I don't think would really be of a magnitude to even start a case.

I understand ticketmaster is a business, it's just annoying that they charge so much and care so little about their customers...that's all I was pointing out.

Sonicifyouwantit
06-27-2008, 05:31 PM
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