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Somewhat Damaged
06-23-2008, 06:00 PM
...of the past 25 years. I was mortified after making my initial glance through the list -- I know, why should I even bother taking this shit seriously, it's not like EW is renowned for their music criticism, but all the same, some of the inanity is beyond incomprehensible. After reading the foreword, apparently they limited artists to just 2 selections, so that's a bit of an explanation why, say, Radiohead is only represented twice, but still, this list is by and large a big fucking fail.

1. Prince, Purple Rain
2. Lauryn Hill, The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
3. U2, Achtung Baby
4. Kanye West, The College Dropout
5. Madonna, Madonna
6. Green Day, American Idiot (yes, seriously!)
7. Jay-Z, The Blueprint
8. Paul Simon, Graceland
9. Amy Winehouse, Back to Black (yes, seriously!)
10. Radiohead, In Rainbows
11. Nirvana, MTV Unplugged in New York
12. Outkast, Stankonia
13. Cat Power, You Are Free (the one bright spot, IMO)
14. The Cure, Disintegration
15. Eminem, The Marshall Mathers LP
16. Tom Waits, Rain Dogs
17. Beck, Odelay
18. A Tribe Called Quest, People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm
19. Beyonce, Dangerously in Love (ugh)
20. Fiona Apple, Tidal
21. Mariah Carey, The Emancipation of Mimi (ugh)
22. De La Soul, 3 Feet High and Rising
23. The Flaming Lips, The Soft Bulletin
24. Shania Twain, Come On Over
25. Interpol, Turn On the Bright Lights
26. Bob Dylan, Time Out of Mind
27. Arcade Fire, Funeral
28. Nas, Illmatic
29. Kelly Clarkson, Breakaway (really?)
30. Guns N' Roses, Appetite for Destruction
31. Justin Timberlake, FutureSex/LoveSounds (...)
32. R.E.M., Life's Rich Pageant
33. Alicia Keys, As I Am
34. The Strokes, Is This It
35. Alanis Morissette, Jagged Little Pill
36. TLC, CrazySexyCool
37. Modest Mouse, The Moon & Antarctica
38. Run-DMC, Raising Hell
39. Sheryl Crow, Sheryl Crow
40. The Notorious B.I.G., Ready to Die
41. Bob Marley and the Wailers, Legend
42. Wu-Tang Clan, Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
43. Beastie Boys, Paul's Boutique
44. Lucinda Williams, Car Wheels on a Gravel Road
45. Belle and Sebastian, If You're Feeling Sinister
46. Bjork, Homogenic
47. Liz Phair, Exile in Guyville
48. Johnny Cash, American IV: The Man Comes Around
49. Coldplay, A Rush of Blood to the Head
50. LCD Soundsystem, Sound of Silver
51. Fugees, The Score (if you're keeping track, Lauryn Hill is represented as well as both Radiohead and Nirvana combined)
52. Spoon, Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga
53. Elvis Costello, King of America
54. Janet Jackson, Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814
55. Public Enemy, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
56. Wilco, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
57. Neil Young, Harvest Moon
58. Pixies, Surfer Rosa
59. Madonna, Ray of Light (first single artist to be represented twice)
60. Pavement, Crooked Rain Crooked Rain
61. Eric B. & Rakim, Paid in Full
62. Radiohead, OK Computer (finally!)
63. U2, The Joshua Tree
64. Erykah Badu, Mama's Gun
65. The White Stripes, Elephant
66. Dr. Dre, The Chronic
67. Metallica, Metallica
68. Emmylou Harris, Wrecking Ball
69. The Postal Service, Give Up
70. Mary J. Blige, My Life
71. No Doubt, Rock Steady
72. Van Halen, 1984
73. The Smiths, The Queen is Dead
74. Moby, Play
75. Bruce Springsteen, Born in the U.S.A.
76. Ryan Adams, Heartbreaker
77. Portishead, Dummy (wow!)
78. Pearl Jam, Vs.
79. The Replacements, Let It Be
80. Christina Aguilera, Back to Basics
81. Nine Inch Nails, The Downward Spiral
82. Jeff Buckley, Grace
83. The Pretenders, Learning to Crawl
84. New Order, Low-Life
85. Dixie Chicks, Home
86. My Bloody Valentine, Loveless
87. 2Pac, All Eyez on Me
88. Peter Gabriel, So
89. Aimee Mann, Bachelor No. 2
90. System of a Down, Toxicity
91. Smashing Pumpkins, Siamese Dream
92. Destiny's Child, The Writing's on the Wall (so Beyonce warrants more acclaim than Kurt Cobain. Right.)
93. Elliott Smith, Either/Or
94. The Police, Synchronicity
95. T.I., Trap Muzik
96. PJ Harvey, Stories From the City, Stories From the Sea
97. Britney Spears, Britney (hahaha, and I was just getting ready to lament sardonically that they weren't able to find a place on the list for her)
98. Death Cab for Cutie, Transatlanticism
99. Hole, Live Through This
100. George Michael, Faith

IdiotequeThom
06-23-2008, 06:06 PM
WOW! I don't even know where to begin...

Sushov23
06-23-2008, 06:07 PM
yeah, fucking dumb. One thing is I think of the past 20 years that Lauryn Hill album deserves top 5. SHIT It is in my opinion a top 25 album of ALL FUCKING TIME.

BlackSwan
06-23-2008, 06:09 PM
that list was obviously going to be horrible.

betao
06-23-2008, 06:12 PM
why in gods name is Kanye West at number 4 while Public Enemy has a spot at 55. Kanye even beat out ATCQ??

That right there causes all credibility for this list to be lost.

Pixiessp
06-23-2008, 06:14 PM
EW=exceptionally weak.

Backwater
06-23-2008, 06:15 PM
Overall this list is much better than I ever would have expected it to be considering it's from a magazine. Having that said, I find it hysterical that they chose The Blueprint over Reasonable Doubt, then I looked up one and saw American Idiot over Dookie, wow.

Boourns
06-23-2008, 06:15 PM
This list is so bad that there isn't a fail pic failtastic enough to articulate the severity of this trainwreck.

1. Prince, Purple Rain
classic, but number 1? well, I'm not going to contest this after Prince's epic set at Coachella, so moving on...
2. Lauryn Hill, The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
ahaha, yeah. it's a good album but number 2?
3. U2, Achtung Baby
At least put The Joshua Tree here instead.
4. Kanye West, The College Dropout
Oh yeah, this is way better than everything else from the past 25 years. Well, I'm sure Kanye thinks so.
5. Madonna, Madonna
6. Green Day, American Idiot
this is a joke, right? mall punks protesting the war in an obvious attempt to regain the fans that were lost after they finished puberty is better than OK Computer...what a fail. do people even still listen to this?
7. Jay-Z, The Blueprint
8. Paul Simon, Graceland
9. Amy Winehouse, Back to Black
terrible
10. Radiohead, In Rainbows
not even the best Radiohead
11. Nirvana, MTV Unplugged in New York
12. Outkast, Stankonia
13. Cat Power, You Are Free
Moon Pix and The Covers Record are far better, but props for including her at all, especially so high. I wouldn't even list her best album this high.
14. The Cure, Disintegration
15. Eminem, The Marshall Mathers LP
16. Tom Waits, Rain Dogs
17. Beck, Odelay
18. A Tribe Called Quest, People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm
19. Beyonce, Dangerously in Love
Pop artists are for slickly produced, catchy hit singles, not albums as works of art to be taken as a whole.
20. Fiona Apple, Tidal
21. Mariah Carey, The Emancipation of Mimi
DONE! Furthering discussion of this list is like trying to cure a retard

aeroplanee
06-23-2008, 06:15 PM
Cheers for putting MTV Unplugged over Nevermind though

they were trying to be different, maybe a little too hard

Boourns
06-23-2008, 06:20 PM
A Rush of Blood to the Head, Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga, bloody RAY OF LIGHT, SHANIA FUCKING TWAIN > OK Computer? Wow.

I'm surprised they didn't include Chingy and Creed.

Sushov23
06-23-2008, 06:21 PM
where is the love for Lauryn Hill?

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
06-23-2008, 06:24 PM
those top 5 alone are worth a couple of shots to the face.....dumbfucks don't know shit....

EDIT: UGH! WTF! No MBV? No Aphex Twin? These 2 alone influenced more popular music then fucking Lauryn Hill or Kanye West ever did....

Boourns
06-23-2008, 06:27 PM
Where is the love for OK Computer? Or better yet, Kid A, Ágætis Byrjun, In The Aeroplane Over The Sea, Automatic for the People, Different Class, What's the Story, Morning Glory?, Doolittle, Violator, etc?

And It Takes A Nation... definitely should be rated higher than Kanye West.

Ahahaha, thanks for posting this list. Great comedic value :)

woogie846
06-23-2008, 06:30 PM
...wow.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
06-23-2008, 06:30 PM
where is the love for Lauryn Hill?

I don't mid her...but she isn't "legendary" or even top 100 worthy....

suprefan
06-23-2008, 06:30 PM
Ok, ummmm, In Rainbows has no reason being on the list, its only been out 8 months. Ok shouldve been number 10, with 62 being the bends if they had to keep the same spot and put an RH record on there, or kid a. Anyway, not even gonna point out the obvious crap.

wmgaretjax
06-23-2008, 06:38 PM
This is a great challenge though... If I were to try and do this I would struggle like hell...

idrive1life
06-23-2008, 06:41 PM
the following albums almost made it in the list ... #s 101, 102 & 103 *Bravo EW!*

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/idrive1life/RS1.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/idrive1life/WHI.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/idrive1life/MV1.jpg

Sushov23
06-23-2008, 06:41 PM
those top 5 alone are worth a couple of shots to the face.....dumbfucks don't know shit....

EDIT: UGH! WTF! No MBV? No Aphex Twin? These 2 alone influenced more popular music then fucking Lauryn Hill or Kanye West ever did....

hell no!. Lauryn Hill is AS(OK, listen) AS influencial with that one album as anything MBV, and SIR DJ laptop pretensious APHEX TWIN ever have done.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
06-23-2008, 06:41 PM
This is a great challenge though... If I were to try and do this I would struggle like hell...

So why bother really? I mean, no list is ever going to be perfect or make everyone happy. but seriously this list is riddled with errors..

Sushov23
06-23-2008, 06:43 PM
one of the worst list ever for top 100 albums for sure.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
06-23-2008, 06:45 PM
hell no!. Lauryn Hill is AS(OK, listen) AS influencial with that one album as anything MBV, and SIR DJ laptop pretensious APHEX TWIN ever have done.

Lauryn Hill wrote a couple of decent R&B songs and got a few grammys big deal..Richard D James has more talent and potential in his fucking mouse then Lauryn would ever have even with a 100 piece orchestra and jazz band. Kevin Shields does more with one chord then she has ever done with an entire album. this is not a preference of taste this is fact. She is a coke head anyways now.

wmgaretjax
06-23-2008, 06:46 PM
hell no!. Lauryn Hill is AS(OK, listen) AS influencial with that one album as anything MBV, and SIR DJ laptop pretensious APHEX TWIN ever have done.

Calling someone influential is meaningless.... Look at the results of Aphex Twin or MBV's influence (absolutely revolutionizing the way people treat electronics and guitars, across multiple genres) vs. Lauryn Hills (maybe, bring back a gospel trend?)... Seriously, you and Paulb need to hang out and create your own little world together.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
06-23-2008, 06:47 PM
Calling someone influential is meaningless.... Look at the results of Aphex Twin or MBV's influence (absolutely revolutionizing the way people treat electronics and guitars, across multiple genres) vs. Lauryn Hills (maybe, bring back a gospel trend?)... Seriously, you and Paulb need to hang out and create your own little world together.

motherfuckingword!

Boourns
06-23-2008, 06:47 PM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/417YW51GTDL._SS400_.jpg

idrive1life
06-23-2008, 06:48 PM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/417YW51GTDL._SS400_.jpg

thats fucking #104 ... so low lol

Sushov23
06-23-2008, 06:49 PM
man, Lauryn Hill in her prime>>>>>>>>>>>>. LAPTOP GUY. Lauryn's songwriting is powerful, honest, raw and emotional. Aphex is OVER FUCKING RATED. Kevin Shields is the fucking man (i'm still trying to make it work for MBV because I really want to lose my hearing for a week), but Lauryn Hill in her prime>Kevin Shields, but only by a little bit.

Sushov23
06-23-2008, 06:50 PM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/417YW51GTDL._SS400_.jpg

wasn't this the best album to come out in 07? CLASSIC.

PassiveTheory
06-23-2008, 06:51 PM
Here's an idea:

Why don't you each put together a list of the top 25 albums of the last 25 years, I'll compile it, and we'll end up with a top 100 list.

The list is pretty bad, but I'm just saying that I'd like to see each of you put your money where your mouth is and come up with your own lists.

Sushov23
06-23-2008, 06:51 PM
Calling someone influential is meaningless.... Look at the results of Aphex Twin or MBV's influence (absolutely revolutionizing the way people treat electronics and guitars, across multiple genres) vs. Lauryn Hills (maybe, bring back a gospel trend?)... Seriously, you and Paulb need to hang out and create your own little world together.

yeah because your "TASTE" is music is the best, right? LOL, fucking joke.

Boourns
06-23-2008, 06:52 PM
I was just about to ask where the hell Thriller is, but apparently that was a late 1982 release.

wmgaretjax
06-23-2008, 06:53 PM
yeah because your "TASTE" is music is the best, right? LOL, fucking joke.

LOL! I didn't say anything about "taste," I'm simply referring to your ignorance and/or delusion. You were the one deducing mathematical quantification of the value of particular artists.

Sushov23
06-23-2008, 06:53 PM
Can someone kill Paris Hilton already? I mean come on!. She is evil.

Sushov23
06-23-2008, 06:55 PM
LOL! I didn't say anything about "taste," I'm simply referring to your ignorance and/or delusion. You were the one deducing mathematical quantification of the value of particular artists.

it's not fucking ignorance, it's my own fucking personal preference. Take your "ignorance" and shove it up your ass. Your delusional if you think your fucking opinion is the only one that matters.
BTW- Congrats on being a fucking hipster soldier.

wmgaretjax
06-23-2008, 06:55 PM
it's not [sic] fucking [sic] ignorance, it's my own [sic] fucking personal preference. [sic] Take your "ignorance" [sic] and shove [sic] it up your ass. Your [sic] delusional [sic] thinking your [sic] fucking opinion [sic] is the only one that [sic] matters.

LOL! EW >>>>> YOU, but only by a little bit. Your so silly. Just my personal preference.

Sushov23
06-23-2008, 06:57 PM
TURD> your opinions

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
06-23-2008, 06:57 PM
Sushov Bodoh!

Boourns
06-23-2008, 06:58 PM
CRIPPLE FIGHT!

MarkO
06-23-2008, 06:59 PM
Overall this list is much better than I ever would have expected it to be considering it's from a magazine. .........

My thoughts exactly. There are some very, very good albums listed here actually.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
06-23-2008, 06:59 PM
My thoughts exactly. There are some very, very good albums listed here actually.

Oddly placed is more like it.

PassiveTheory
06-23-2008, 07:00 PM
Yeah, I was surprised to see Portishead mentioned at all, Marko.

wmgaretjax
06-23-2008, 07:01 PM
Sushov Bodoh!

Bodoh sekali. Tetapi tidak kesalahan dia, lahir seperti itu.

Nice avatar Frank.

idrive1life
06-23-2008, 07:02 PM
My thoughts exactly. There are some very, very good albums listed here actually.

3 years ago shitty SPIN magazine came up with a better list (of 100 best albums in the last 20 years)

100. Strokes - Is This It
99. Afghan Whigs - Gentlemen
98. Cornershop - When I Was Born For The 7th Time
97. Neutral Milk Hotel - In The Aeroplane Over The Sea
96. The Pogues - Rum #@$%#$ & The Lash
95. Elastica - Elastica
94. Slint - Spiderland
93. Pearl Jam - Ten
92. Big Black - Atomizer
91. XTC - Skylarking
90. Sonic Youth - Sister
89. Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Fever To Tell
88. Stereolab - Emperor Tomato Ketchup
87. Blur - Parklife
86. Meat Puppets - Up On The Sun
85. REM - Automatic For The People
84. Soundgarden - Superunknown
83. At The Drive-In - Relationship Of Command
82. Jeff Buckley - Grace
81. Beck - Mellow Gold
80. D'Angelo - Voodoo
79. Moby - Everything Is Wrong
78. The Stone Roses - Stone Roses
77. Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
76. Belle & Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister
75. Le Tigre - Le Tigre
74. Portishead - Dummy
73. Pulp - Different Class
72. Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
71. The Jesus & Mary Chain - Psychocandy
70. Jay-Z - The Blueprint
69. DJ Shadow - Entroducing...
68. Tricky - Maxinquaye
67. Slayer - Reign In Blood
66. Outkast - Aquemini
65. Basement Jaxx - Remedy
64. Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP
63. Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
62. Missy Elliott - Supa Dupa Fly
61. Weezer - Pinkerton
60. De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead
59. Modest Mouse - The Lonesome Crowded West
58. Metallica - Master Of Puppets
57. The White Stripes - White Blood Cells
56. PJ Harvey - To Bring You My Love
55. The Chemical Brothers - Dig Your Own Hole
54. The Breeders - Last Splash
53. Rage Against The Machine - The Battle Of Los Angeles
52. Beastie Boys - Licensed To Ill
51. Nirvana - In Utero
50. New Order - Low Life
49. Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation Of...
48. Radiohead - Kid A
47. Eric B. & Rakim - Paid In Full
46. The Fall - This Nation's Saving Grace
45. Kanye West - College Dropout
44. Green Day - Dookie
43. Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded
42. Jane's Addiction - Nothing's Shocking
41. Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
40. Run D.M.C. - Raising Hell
39. Lucinda Williams - Lucinda Williams
38. A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory
37. Guided By Voices - Bee Thousand
36. Pixies - Doolittle
35. Dr. Dre - The Chronic
34. Elliott Smith - Either/Or
33. Ice Cube - AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted
32. The Replacements - Tim
31. Dinosaur Jr. - You're Living All Over Me
30. The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready To Die
29. Fugazi - 13 Songs
28. Oasis - Definitely Maybe
27. The Cure - The Head On The Door
26. Bjork - Post
25. Nine Ince Nails - The Downward Spiral
24. Sleater Kinney - Dig Me Out
23. Outkast - Stankonia
22. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
21. Public Enemy - Fear Of A Black Planet
20. Wu Tang Clan - Enter The Wu Tang (36 Chambers)
19. Hole - Live Through This
18. Guns N Roses - Appetite For Destruction
17. Nas - Illmatic
16. Beck - Odelay
15. Liz Phair - Exile In Guyville
14. Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
13. Husker Du - New Day Rising
12. Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
11. U2 - Achtung Baby
10. N.W.A - Straight Outta Compton
9. PJ Harvey - Rid Of Me
8. Prince - Sign O The Times
7. De La Soul - 3 Ft. High And Rising
6. Pixies - Surfer Rosa
5. The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead
4. Pavement - Slanted & Enchanted
3. Nirvana - Nevermind
2. Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation...
1. Radiohead - OK Computer

http://www.starpulse.com/forum/index.php?topic=10388.msg148931;topicseen

Pixiessp
06-23-2008, 07:04 PM
3 years ago shitty SPIN magazine came up with a better list (of 100 best albums in the last 20 years)

100. Strokes - Is This It
99. Afghan Whigs - Gentlemen
98. Cornershop - When I Was Born For The 7th Time
97. Neutral Milk Hotel - In The Aeroplane Over The Sea
96. The Pogues - Rum #@$%#$ & The Lash
95. Elastica - Elastica
94. Slint - Spiderland
93. Pearl Jam - Ten
92. Big Black - Atomizer
91. XTC - Skylarking
90. Sonic Youth - Sister
89. Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Fever To Tell
88. Stereolab - Emperor Tomato Ketchup
87. Blur - Parklife
86. Meat Puppets - Up On The Sun
85. REM - Automatic For The People
84. Soundgarden - Superunknown
83. At The Drive-In - Relationship Of Command
82. Jeff Buckley - Grace
81. Beck - Mellow Gold
80. D'Angelo - Voodoo
79. Moby - Everything Is Wrong
78. The Stone Roses - Stone Roses
77. Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
76. Belle & Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister
75. Le Tigre - Le Tigre
74. Portishead - Dummy
73. Pulp - Different Class
72. Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
71. The Jesus & Mary Chain - Psychocandy
70. Jay-Z - The Blueprint
69. DJ Shadow - Entroducing...
68. Tricky - Maxinquaye
67. Slayer - Reign In Blood
66. Outkast - Aquemini
65. Basement Jaxx - Remedy
64. Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP
63. Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
62. Missy Elliott - Supa Dupa Fly
61. Weezer - Pinkerton
60. De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead
59. Modest Mouse - The Lonesome Crowded West
58. Metallica - Master Of Puppets
57. The White Stripes - White Blood Cells
56. PJ Harvey - To Bring You My Love
55. The Chemical Brothers - Dig Your Own Hole
54. The Breeders - Last Splash
53. Rage Against The Machine - The Battle Of Los Angeles
52. Beastie Boys - Licensed To Ill
51. Nirvana - In Utero
50. New Order - Low Life
49. Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation Of...
48. Radiohead - Kid A
47. Eric B. & Rakim - Paid In Full
46. The Fall - This Nation's Saving Grace
45. Kanye West - College Dropout
44. Green Day - Dookie
43. Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded
42. Jane's Addiction - Nothing's Shocking
41. Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
40. Run D.M.C. - Raising Hell
39. Lucinda Williams - Lucinda Williams
38. A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory
37. Guided By Voices - Bee Thousand
36. Pixies - Doolittle
35. Dr. Dre - The Chronic
34. Elliott Smith - Either/Or
33. Ice Cube - AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted
32. The Replacements - Tim
31. Dinosaur Jr. - You're Living All Over Me
30. The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready To Die
29. Fugazi - 13 Songs
28. Oasis - Definitely Maybe
27. The Cure - The Head On The Door
26. Bjork - Post
25. Nine Ince Nails - The Downward Spiral
24. Sleater Kinney - Dig Me Out
23. Outkast - Stankonia
22. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
21. Public Enemy - Fear Of A Black Planet
20. Wu Tang Clan - Enter The Wu Tang (36 Chambers)
19. Hole - Live Through This
18. Guns N Roses - Appetite For Destruction
17. Nas - Illmatic
16. Beck - Odelay
15. Liz Phair - Exile In Guyville
14. Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
13. Husker Du - New Day Rising
12. Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
11. U2 - Achtung Baby
10. N.W.A - Straight Outta Compton
9. PJ Harvey - Rid Of Me
8. Prince - Sign O The Times
7. De La Soul - 3 Ft. High And Rising
6. Pixies - Surfer Rosa
5. The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead
4. Pavement - Slanted & Enchanted
3. Nirvana - Nevermind
2. Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation...
1. Radiohead - OK Computer

http://www.starpulse.com/forum/index.php?topic=10388.msg148931;topicseen



much much better!!

Boourns
06-23-2008, 07:04 PM
Yeah, that list isn't the best but it at least has the correct number one and better choices overall. Kudos for listing Different Class.

What's with these lists ranking Surfer Rosa over the vastly superior Doolittle?

PassiveTheory
06-23-2008, 07:05 PM
I find it hilarious that both Grace and Dummy have near IDENTICAL placement in both lists (82/83 and 74/77, respectively)

Pixiessp
06-23-2008, 07:06 PM
I prefer Surfer Rosa over Doolittle. not by much but still better IMO.

Sushov23
06-23-2008, 07:06 PM
PIXIES=AMAZING

PassiveTheory
06-23-2008, 07:07 PM
I'm still waiting on your lists, people.

Pixiessp
06-23-2008, 07:08 PM
Kudos to Spin for listing Afghan Whigs.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
06-23-2008, 07:09 PM
Bodoh sekali. Tetapi tidak kesalahan dia, lahir seperti itu.



Benar...

wmgaretjax
06-23-2008, 07:09 PM
I'm still waiting on your lists, people.

I'll give you one item off of mine:

2. Scott Walker - Tilt

boarderwoozel3
06-23-2008, 07:10 PM
6. Green Day, American Idiot
19. Beyonce, Dangerously in Love
21. Mariah Carey, The Emancipation of Mimi
71. No Doubt, Rock Steady

^My personal favs.

Its like they couldn't name 100 decent albums so they started throwing random shit in there...

garrett222
06-23-2008, 07:26 PM
1. OK Computer - Radiohead
2. Takk - Sigur Ros
3. In Rainbows - Radiohead
4. ( ) - Sigur Ros
5. Homogenic - Bjork

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
06-23-2008, 07:28 PM
I'll give you one item off of mine:

2. Scott Walker - Tilt

Goddamn you...that was one of mine....amazing amazing album...and my 1st Scott Walker album....

MarkO
06-23-2008, 07:29 PM
3 years ago shitty SPIN magazine came up with a better list (of 100 best albums in the last 20 years)

Automatic for the People outside of the Top10 means that list fails hard. Sorry.

idrive1life
06-23-2008, 07:30 PM
Spin's list failed so hard but its list > EW's.

NicoDread
06-23-2008, 07:32 PM
Yeah, that list isn't the best but it at least has the correct number one and better choices overall. Kudos for listing Different Class.

What's with these lists ranking Surfer Rosa over the vastly superior Doolittle?

I prefer Doolittle to Surfer Rosa, but by an extremely small amount. I would make a list but it would be heavily skewed towards my favorite bands, and not "influential" artists so it would not be very objective.

Pixiessp
06-23-2008, 07:36 PM
Colour of Spring-Talk Talk
Dry-PJ Harvey





not going to assign a ranking but I think these 2 deserve recognition.

roberto73
06-23-2008, 07:38 PM
Um ... it's Entertainment Weekly, designed for the supermarket crowd. You can't seriously expect them to go left-field with this list, or even have many people on staff capable of going left-field. Considering the magazine and its audience, this list sounds about right. It's not my top 100, but I'm not going to take it personally.

Boourns
06-23-2008, 07:44 PM
That's a good point. Actually, we should be surprised that Train and the Eagles aren't listed.

betao
06-23-2008, 07:45 PM
those top 5 alone are worth a couple of shots to the face.....dumbfucks don't know shit....

EDIT: UGH! WTF! No MBV? No Aphex Twin? These 2 alone influenced more popular music then fucking Lauryn Hill or Kanye West ever did....

MBV has Loveless at 86.

Ridiculous placing (should be in the top...30? I guess), but at least its there.

Sushov, I dont think W was trying to discredit your opinion. Well maybe he was. But anyway, you can't say that someone's opinion is right or wrong - this is obvious. Musical taste is an opinion. However, MBV and Aphex Twin being very influential artists (probably more so than Lauryn Hill, and DEFINITELY more so than Kanye West) is a fact.

MBV pioneered an entire genre of music and has had a very strong effect on music since they dropped Loveless in the early 90s. And Aphex has had an influence on a ton artists, including Radiohead, and is a prominent figure in the world of electronic music.

I'm not saying Lauryn Hill doesnt deserve to be on this list, but number 2? blasphemy.

Actually, upon reading this list again, I just realized that they totally forgot about EDM.

No Prodigy? No Chemical Brothers? No Underworld? Moby? Orbital?

theres just way too much missing from this list.

woogie846
06-23-2008, 07:47 PM
Pavement's Slanted and Enchanted at #4 for Spin? Wowee Zowee is much, much better imho.

Sushov23
06-23-2008, 07:48 PM
I wasn't saying that MBV wasn't influencial, I just think that MBV and Lauryn Hill are both highly influencial. While at first I said Lauryn was more influencial than MBV, I now I will say that they are both equally influencial. Aphex well if you read everything I've ever written about that "PERSON" then you'll get an idea of what I think about his "MATERIAL". Another thing is I said Lauryn deserves top 10 mention with her one album when it comes to albums of the past 25 years.

corbo
06-23-2008, 07:49 PM
lame list

wmgaretjax
06-23-2008, 07:49 PM
Goddamn you...that was one of mine....amazing amazing album...and my 1st Scott Walker album....

OK, I'll do one that you definitely won't have:

9. Liars - Drum's Not Dead

wmgaretjax
06-23-2008, 07:50 PM
While at first I said Lauryn was more influencial than MBV, I now I will say that they are both equally influencial.

Whew! I thought we were in trouble for a minute there, but if they are EQUAL, then I think a resolution has been reached.

Sushov23
06-23-2008, 07:51 PM
MBV has Loveless at 86.

Ridiculous placing (should be in the top...30? I guess), but at least its there.

Sushov, I dont think W was trying to discredit your opinion. Well maybe he was. But anyway, you can't say that someone's opinion is right or wrong - this is obvious. Musical taste is an opinion. However, MBV and Aphex Twin being very influential artists (probably more so than Lauryn Hill, and DEFINITELY more so than Kanye West) is a fact.

TELL THAT TO EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD.

PJandBompton
06-23-2008, 07:51 PM
those top 5 alone are worth a couple of shots to the face.....dumbfucks don't know shit....

EDIT: UGH! WTF! No MBV? No Aphex Twin? These 2 alone influenced more popular music then fucking Lauryn Hill or Kanye West ever did....

Kanye has only been around since '04...far less than most people or EVERYONE on this list has...give him time and he will go down as one of the best to ever do it...

betao
06-23-2008, 07:52 PM
TELL THAT TO EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD.

I do know that everyone that needs to hear it. I wasn't taking shots at you or anything, so please dont take it personal.

Pixiessp
06-23-2008, 07:53 PM
here's another spectacular album:

Drums and Wires-XTC.

betao
06-23-2008, 07:56 PM
Kanye has only been around since '04...far less than most people or EVERYONE on this list has...give him time and he will go down as one of the best to ever do it...

he'd have to clean up his ego in order for this to happen.

Sushov23
06-23-2008, 07:59 PM
I do know that everyone that needs to hear it. I wasn't taking shots at you or anything, so please dont take it personal.

I'm not, i've always said on this board, that people should respect peoples opinion. Everyone has their own music preferences, and it's a shame that people are given shit about it on this board.

Sushov23
06-23-2008, 08:01 PM
he'd have to clean up his ego in order for this to happen.

seriously, back in 2002 kanye was a breathe of fresh air in hip hop. He stayed this way for a while(through the end of 2004). After that he has just become someone that is easy to dislike, when it used to be the completely diff.

betao
06-23-2008, 08:05 PM
I'm not, i've always said on this board, that people should respect peoples opinion. Everyone has their own music preferences, and it's a shame that people are given shit about it on this board.

yup. amen sir.

wmgaretjax
06-23-2008, 08:12 PM
I'm not, i've always said on this board, that people should respect peoples opinion. Everyone has their own music preferences, and it's a shame that people are given shit about it on this board.

fucking off and dying is another option... just throwing it out there... I won't pretend to judge the value of one option over the other.

PJandBompton
06-23-2008, 08:19 PM
seriously, back in 2002 kanye was a breathe of fresh air in hip hop. He stayed this way for a while(through the end of 2004). After that he has just become someone that is easy to dislike, when it used to be the completely diff.

he is still the same breath of fresh air but his attitude kills him...

ThomThom
06-23-2008, 08:25 PM
That EW list could have been alot worse, I'm surprised their staff knew half of those albums.

bmack86
06-23-2008, 08:25 PM
yeah because your "TASTE" is music is the best, right? LOL, fucking joke.

God, you must have walked into walls over and over and over again as a kid.

Hopeless Semantic
06-23-2008, 08:27 PM
That Spin list has one major error in my personal opinion; Only Built 4 Cuban Linx is no way better than Method Man's Tical. I would've placed that album at least 10 albums in front of Raekwon's Linx. Love both, but only one set precedent for the other members of the Wu to go forth into the solitary world of solo releases. Anyone objects can take razor to they eye, son.

:)

ThomThom
06-23-2008, 08:29 PM
That Spin list has one major error in my personal opinion; Only Built 4 Cuban Linx is no way better than Method Man's Tical. I would've placed that album at least 10 albums in front of Raekwon's Linx. Love both, but only one set precedent for the other members of the Wu to go forth into the solitary world of solo releases. Anyone objects can take razor to they eye, son.

:)

That's interesting, I think Cuban Linx and Iron Man are superior to Tical. Do you want to fight?

Hopeless Semantic
06-23-2008, 08:33 PM
I see your Cuban Linx and Iron Man, son. And raise you Tical and Liquid Swordz kid. Bettah bring an extra change of guess cuz ima make you shit yo drawls yo.

I bring the pain...let's go inside my astral plane

ThomThom
06-23-2008, 08:35 PM
The choice for the top Outkast record bothers me more than anything else. Stankonia? Yuck.

ThomThom
06-23-2008, 08:36 PM
I see your Cuban Linx and Iron Man, son. And raise you Tical and Liquid Swordz kid. Bettah bring an extra change of guess cuz ima make you shit yo drawls yo.

I bring the pain...let's go inside my astral plane

Liquid Swordz wins the the Wu Tang solo challenge by a landslide, but Cuban Linx and Iron Man are worth fighting for... Dunn.

Hopeless Semantic
06-23-2008, 08:36 PM
Well, you are dead to center on that one. Out of all the pre-Music Boxx cds, Stankonia was my least favorite. ATLiens has got to be their best work in my opinion.

wmgaretjax
06-23-2008, 08:37 PM
God, you must have walked into walls over and over and over again as a kid.

There was a kid like that in my kindergarten class... He works for Geek Squad now.

ThomThom
06-23-2008, 08:37 PM
Well, you are dead to center on that one. Out of all the pre-Music Boxx cds, Stankonia was my least favorite. ATLiens has got to be their best work in my opinion.

I forgive you for the Tical comments, Gawd.

Hopeless Semantic
06-23-2008, 08:38 PM
Liquid Swordz wins the the Wu Tang solo challenge by a landslide, but Cuban Linx and Iron Man are worth fighting for... Dunn.

Word up son, yo lets forget this whole beef and spark up a blunt. No need to worry bout which is worth getting done in for--when we both know that the Wu is ill.

ThomThom
06-23-2008, 08:39 PM
God, you must have walked into walls over and over and over again as a kid.

While listening to "(Doo Wop) That Thing" by Lauryn Hill over and over again.

bmack86
06-23-2008, 08:41 PM
And saying that his opinion is valid as an argument for influence.

wmgaretjax
06-23-2008, 08:41 PM
While listening to "(Doo Wop) That Thing" by Lauryn Hill over and over again.

Besides the singles, I remember that one Zion song on the Lauryn Hill album... I was only 13, but I still laughed hysterically at that song. It reminded me of my cousin who always used to cry happy tears during Full House.

ThomThom
06-23-2008, 08:42 PM
God Bmack your avatar is sexy, I'm still kicking myself for missing her at the Concert Hall.

ThomThom
06-23-2008, 08:44 PM
Besides the singles, I remember that one Zion song on the Lauryn Hill album... I was only 13, but I still laughed hysterically at that song. It reminded me of my cousin who always used to cry happy tears during Full House.

You mean that shit bag of a song with Santana on it?

Hopeless Semantic
06-23-2008, 08:45 PM
I still think Lauryn Hill got wayyy too much credit for the Fugees' success and that Wyclef was the real artiste in that group. In fact, I would even believe that Pras was more influential than Lauryn Hill. I don't know though, since I have lost most of my argument based on the fact that I haven't really been involved in hip-hop outside of Atmosphere, Eyedea, and Brother Ali.

wmgaretjax
06-23-2008, 09:24 PM
You mean that shit bag of a song with Santana on it?

hahahaha! Is he really on that track? That puts it into perspective!

ThomThom
06-23-2008, 09:25 PM
hahahaha! Is he really on that track? That puts it into perspective!

Yep, the shit bag himself.

ThomThom
06-23-2008, 09:28 PM
Hahaha, LCD and Spoon's latest albums are ahead of Surfer Rosa.

PassiveTheory
06-23-2008, 09:33 PM
Woah, what's with the Carlos Santana hate? I mean, the guy makes music for soccer moms (I'd know, my mom had Supernatural in the car stereo for 3 years), but it's not awful.

ThomThom
06-23-2008, 09:34 PM
Santana and Jack Johnson should tour together. That would be... Wicked.

Hopeless Semantic
06-23-2008, 09:36 PM
Santana and Jack Johnson should tour together. That would be... Wicked.

It may not be stellar musically, but one thing is for certain...this tour would attract a whole slew of chicks. Earplugs would be necessary but a minor detail in the journey.

Somewhat Damaged
06-23-2008, 09:43 PM
The most egregious crime committed by this list, regardless of its status as a supermarket magazine, is what's written to describe American Idiot:

Forget the Sex Pistols. Punk didn't truly go mainstream until these three snotty, snarling post-adolescents broke through to become arena-filling icons; and with songs like "Boulevard of Broken Dreams," they proved that a little maturity can be a good thing.

I know Stephen King, who also serves as a columnist for EW, was a big American Idiot fan, so I wonder if he had any hand in its placement on this list and was vocal in getting it to such a lofty placement.

Meanwhile, it's all well and good that they included MTV Unplugged in New York, but to dismiss the album that kick-started the '90s music revolution with "Never mind Nevermind...", just a few column inches after declaring that fucking Green Day brought punk to the mainstream? I'm almost considering cancelling my subscription.

wmgaretjax
06-23-2008, 09:44 PM
I'm almost considering cancelling my subscription.

ha ha. almost.

Backwater
06-23-2008, 09:47 PM
Tool, Stone Temple Pilots, The Chemical Brothers, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains get no mention

Somewhat Damaged
06-23-2008, 09:51 PM
ha ha. almost.

Need something to read on the throne.

wmgaretjax
06-23-2008, 09:55 PM
Need something to read on the throne.

It's hard to deny that... Might I suggest:
http://www.leonardo.info/

Somewhat Damaged
06-23-2008, 10:02 PM
Thanks -- subscription cancelled!

wmgaretjax
06-23-2008, 10:05 PM
Thanks -- subscription cancelled!

If you are serious, that's awesome. Leonardo is the best non-literature focused journal/magazine out there.

luckyface
06-23-2008, 11:09 PM
I am late, but Jesus Fucking Christ, Sushov! You somehow always manage to top yourself.

Lauryn Hill is influential?? Who the hell is she influencing?

bballarl
06-23-2008, 11:15 PM
I read through the list when I got my magazine and laughed at their ineptitude. My film loving friend picked apart their movie list as well. We were both indignant.

Backwater
06-23-2008, 11:18 PM
It seems like Sushov equates Grammys with influence. Lauryn influenced Rihanna, man!!!!

Boourns
06-23-2008, 11:23 PM
Anyone remember this? For the ADD kids, it's 2:45-3:03.

9ND4PhecVH0

rage patton
06-24-2008, 12:27 AM
This list blows my mind. It seems like some of the albums on there, Dummy for example, were just named droped so they could have some credibility

Backwater
06-24-2008, 12:37 AM
This list blows my mind. It seems like some of the albums on there, Dummy for example, were just named droped so they could have some credibility

Well yeah, that's kind of what they do, they're journalists.

paulb
06-24-2008, 01:11 AM
at least the correct Beastie Boys album, Pauls Boutique is listed.... 100% their best album, and its one of the best albums ever in my opinion.

Sushov23
06-24-2008, 01:14 AM
at least the correct Beastie Boys album, Pauls Boutique is listed.... 100% their best album, and its one of the best albums ever in my opinion.

remember paul in this board your opinion means shit, don't forget. OK.

paulb
06-24-2008, 01:17 AM
trust me, i know that.... I know you're there to back me up though.

Sushov23
06-24-2008, 01:19 AM
trust me, i know that.... I know you're there to back me up though.

yeah, some people on here are just "friendly"

paulb
06-24-2008, 01:20 AM
a little too friendly.

crazzz2007
06-24-2008, 01:20 AM
at least the correct Beastie Boys album, Pauls Boutique is listed.... 100% their best album, and its one of the best albums ever in my opinion.

they are playing a secret show tomorrow in hollywood....why don't you hop on a plane and come on down

paulb
06-24-2008, 01:22 AM
nah, Im on their speed dial, and already know they aint showing up.

Sushov23
06-24-2008, 01:22 AM
they are playing a secret show tomorrow in hollywood....why don't you hop on a plane and come on down

FUCKING ASSHOLE.

JSam67
06-24-2008, 01:26 AM
If you're looking for friendliness, it's plenty abundant on the Lolla boards. Here you should and will be berated for an opinion as ridiculous as Lauryn Hill being as influential as My Bloody Valentine.

Sushov23
06-24-2008, 01:43 AM
If you're looking for friendliness, it's plenty abundant on the Lolla boards. Here you should and will be berated for an opinion as ridiculous as Lauryn Hill being as influential as My Bloody Valentine.

yeah sure "buddy"/.

HunterGather
06-24-2008, 02:20 AM
the following albums almost made it in the list ... #s 101, 102 & 103 *Bravo EW!*

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/idrive1life/MV1.jpg

Best album ever!
Though, I prefer the U.S. version that included Blame It On The Rain
http://www.speedgoat.com/images/blog/GirlYouKnowItsTrue.jpg

I mean, christ, these 2 won a Grammy for best new artist!! :D :D
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00018/F_200702_February16b_18021a.jpg

idrive1life
06-24-2008, 03:08 AM
LOLed

A large percentage of their supermarket crowd will probably cancel their subscriptions because these Grammy Awards winners (probably barely) missed the cut.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/idrive1life/FallingIntoYouAlbum.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/idrive1life/Richieslow.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/idrive1life/TheBodyguardSoundtrack.jpg

Boourns
06-24-2008, 03:14 AM
Well, Can't Slow Down gave us the best music video ever...
PDZcqBgCS74

C DUB YA
06-24-2008, 04:59 AM
This might be the dumbest list I have ever seen. I'm glad I didn't look till now.

Just in the top 5 there are so many flaws. Purple Rain isn't even Prince's best record. Lauryn Hill over Achtung Baby - um, yeah, right. Madonna's Madonna over any of her albums (sans Hard Candy and American Life)???

Monkeys made this list I tell you - clueless monkeys.

Epic Fail - the likes we have not seen in a music list.

fatbastard
06-24-2008, 05:03 AM
Well, Can't Slow Down gave us the best music video ever...
PDZcqBgCS74

Yeah. I actually have that can't slow down CD.

Has anyone counted how many of these artists played at Coachella?

C DUB YA
06-24-2008, 05:08 AM
Milli Vanilli in the Mojave

HunterGather
06-24-2008, 07:38 AM
Milli Vanilli in the Mojave

I'm So game!
the REAL milli vanilli should go on tour.

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6614/r6482141143095071nu1.jpg

10 songs, one hour set.

1.All Or Nothing
2.Baby Don't Forget My Number
3.
4.
5.More Than You'll Ever Know
6.
7.I'm Gonna Miss You
8.Blame It On The Rain
9.Take It As It Comes
10.Girl You Know It's True

(fill in the blanks with any 3 obscure/new songs they want to add :D )

C DUB YA
06-24-2008, 07:41 AM
they will cover Creep on song #6.

Song 3 will be some b side or other outtake from the Blame it on the Rain sessions

Song 4 will be an instrumental RnB slowjam.

schoolofruckus
06-24-2008, 07:43 AM
Seriously, you and Paulb need to hang out and create your own little world together.

Sigged.

jigsaw
06-24-2008, 08:28 AM
I was just about to ask where the hell Thriller is, but apparently that was a late 1982 release.

That's what I was thinking. It really should be in the list at number 1. Billie Jean was released in 83. He pretty much ruled the world 25 years ago.

"The Girl Is Mine"
Released: October 18, 1982
"Billie Jean"
Released: January 3, 1983
"Beat It"
Released: February 14, 1983
"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'"
Released: May 8, 1983
"Human Nature"
Released: July 3, 1983
"P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing)"
Released: September 19, 1983
"Thriller"
Released: January 23, 1984


Anyways the I think the list sucks too.

luckyface
06-24-2008, 08:36 AM
It's pretty hilarious how bent out of shape people get about these lists.

All of you thought the magazine had no credibility before this was released (and it is easy to see why). Why would they suddenly put together a list of 100 CD's that captures what you, people who are for the most part removed from mainstream music, feel are the 100 best albums? Who cares what a couple of low rate music critics at a mainstream magazine (one that does not even focus solely on music, no less) think? It's really humorous how upset some of you are getting.

I will say that Lauryn Hill as the #2 album of the last 25 years is just as funny, though.

HunterGather
06-24-2008, 08:41 AM
Lauryn Hill defiantly deserves to be on the list, just not THAT high up.

And yes, all these top 100 albums lists from various magazines/etc....
They simply can't please everyone (me included :) )

sbessiso
06-24-2008, 08:43 AM
i still love EW, renewed my subscription for another year, been getting it since freshman year in highschool haha, maybe earlier

Young blood
06-24-2008, 08:46 AM
LOL! wow, thats like totally gay.

coofal
06-24-2008, 08:46 AM
i still love EW, renewed my subscription for another year, been getting it since freshman year in highschool haha, maybe earlier

.
ew

sbessiso
06-24-2008, 08:47 AM
THAT makes no sense!

HunterGather
06-24-2008, 08:54 AM
I like EW.
I read it every week at work when the new issue hits the magazine section :)

Hopeless Semantic
06-24-2008, 08:58 AM
I think the only time I've ever utilized EW, was when I needed something to keep a bonfire going. Other than that, I don't consider it anything more.

Young blood
06-24-2008, 08:58 AM
EW has a great Lost weekly spread.

thats the only reason I pick up that piece of shit magazine to browse through at the store.

Hopeless Semantic
06-24-2008, 09:05 AM
I'm surprised Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em didn't make it to the top-10. Nothing says awesome like parachute pants and born again Christianity!

menikmati
06-24-2008, 09:08 AM
LOST FOR4444444444 LYFE!

Young blood
06-24-2008, 09:20 AM
LOL! LOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ITS LYKE THa SURVIVORS ONLY SADLIER!

sbessiso
06-24-2008, 09:26 AM
i think the lists are shit too. but i still heart EW

and omg im so sick of their LOST shit, lost is on the cover sooo many times, im fucking done with it

Young blood
06-24-2008, 09:28 AM
OMG Me too! MORE BRITNEY VAG SHOTS! PLZTHXU!

sbessiso
06-24-2008, 09:32 AM
you're confusing EW with tabloid rags like Star and that other one, EW doesnt cover any of that shit

Young blood
06-24-2008, 09:35 AM
EW Iz SERIOUS BIDNESS!

sbessiso
06-24-2008, 09:36 AM
chut up!

Young blood
06-24-2008, 09:39 AM
LOL yummy!

rage patton
06-24-2008, 09:49 AM
hehe

BlackSwan
06-24-2008, 10:08 AM
19. Beyonce, Dangerously in Love
21. Mariah Carey, The Emancipation of Mimi
29. Kelly Clarkson, Breakaway
80. Christina Aguilera, Back to Basics
85. Dixie Chicks, Home
92. Destiny's Child, The Writing's on the Wall
97. Britney Spears, Britney

considering this is a new "classics" list, the inclusion of all of these is offensive... especially #29.

if you read the blurb in the actual issue it's even worse...

thinnerair
06-24-2008, 10:12 AM
i like it when people trash albums they've never heard but assume they know how much an artist sucks based on having seen them on a tabloid cover once.

Do you think that the average R&B/Soul fan gives two shits about Neutral Milk Hotel or some other album that you think deserves super high rankings in these lists?

Young blood
06-24-2008, 10:12 AM
yes. they do.

thinnerair
06-24-2008, 10:14 AM
you're right. they do.

HunterGather
06-24-2008, 10:17 AM
I agree with Destinys Childs WRITINGS ON THE WALL (a very solid r&b album, every track).

But yeah...the rest seem ...wow.

Mariahs Emancipation is SERIOUSLY unnecessary.

BlackSwan
06-24-2008, 10:36 AM
i like it when people trash albums they've never heard but assume they know how much an artist sucks based on having seen them on a tabloid cover once.

Do you think that the average R&B/Soul fan gives two shits about Neutral Milk Hotel or some other album that you think deserves super high rankings in these lists?

there are two huge idiotic assumptions in your post.

BlackSwan
06-24-2008, 10:38 AM
I agree with Destinys Childs WRITINGS ON THE WALL (a very solid r&b album, every track).


I meant the fact that they included all of them... i agree out of them all i guess Destinys Child's album should be considered a "new classic"?

sbessiso
06-24-2008, 10:39 AM
the TV list isnt QUITE as bad as the cd one but theres definetly its share of fail (golden girls @ 77???)

thinnerair
06-24-2008, 10:43 AM
there are two huge idiotic assumptions in your post.

HUGE! IDIOTIC!

Young blood
06-24-2008, 10:44 AM
RACISSS!

thinnerair
06-24-2008, 10:45 AM
AY DIOS MIO!!!

PassiveTheory
06-24-2008, 12:37 PM
It's pretty hilarious how bent out of shape people get about these lists.

All of you thought the magazine had no credibility before this was released (and it is easy to see why). Why would they suddenly put together a list of 100 CD's that captures what you, people who are for the most part removed from mainstream music, feel are the 100 best albums? Who cares what a couple of low rate music critics at a mainstream magazine (one that does not even focus solely on music, no less) think? It's really humorous how upset some of you are getting.


Hence why I keep asking for their lists, but people wont budge.

thinnerair
06-24-2008, 12:43 PM
Top 100 ever? or over the last ___ years?

betao
06-24-2008, 12:48 PM
over the last 25 years.

BlackSwan
06-24-2008, 12:55 PM
this thread is about to get listed to death...

MissingPerson
06-24-2008, 01:14 PM
I hate list threads. They're cold and sterile. There is no love in those threads. Only lists.

luckyface
06-24-2008, 01:19 PM
Ok, what is everyone's top 10 least favorite top (insert # here) albums lists?

PassiveTheory
06-24-2008, 01:23 PM
I only asked for 25 so that I could compile for a top 100 list.

BlackSwan
06-24-2008, 01:27 PM
I only asked for 25 so that I could compile for a top 100 list.

ok, top 25 new classics from the last 25 years, or top 25 albums of all time?

Young blood
06-24-2008, 01:29 PM
cool this hasnt been done before!

I cant wait.

Young blood
06-24-2008, 01:30 PM
Maybe we should start a new thread with each of our lists then it wont be so confusing.

wmgaretjax
06-24-2008, 01:31 PM
Maybe we should start a new thread with each of our lists then it wont be so confusing.

ha ha ha.

bballarl
06-24-2008, 01:33 PM
Jared, I can't imagine you reading an EW.

PassiveTheory
06-24-2008, 01:33 PM
Top 25 from the last 25 years, BlackSwan.

I have my list ready... but there's no way in hell I'm posting it first.

MissingPerson
06-24-2008, 01:46 PM
I think we should all list our favourite threads with lists in them. And then we can all argue about each others lists with other lists. Until the end of time.

wmgaretjax
06-24-2008, 01:54 PM
Jared, I can't imagine you reading an EW.

I've probably done it at a doctor's office or something before. It was probably magical. One of my roommate's girlfriends brought over an Us Weekly or People or some shit over once and I read it cover to cover. Pretty amazing stuff actually. We are strange creatures.

rage patton
06-24-2008, 01:57 PM
I just figured out my person top 10 albums of all time they other day. No way am I going to try to figure out my top 25.

fiyahhh!
06-24-2008, 02:29 PM
Did EW say what they used to determine this list? If it was just taste, then they failed miserably. If they put album sales and airplay into consideration, then the list starts to make sense (to the general public, not to the music-obsessed populace that makes up this board).

BlackSwan
06-24-2008, 02:57 PM
I just figured out my person top 10 albums of all time they other day. No way am I going to try to figure out my top 25.

i agree...

all i know is that any Top 100 of the last 25 years list needs to have these five albums on it...

DJ Shadow - Endtroducing...
Radiohead - OK Computer
Radiohead - Kid A
Rage Against the Machine - S/T
Moby - Play

PassiveTheory
06-24-2008, 03:00 PM
In terms of Shadow's discography I'd probably pick UNKLE's Psyence Fiction slightly over Endtroducing.

And yes, I'm calling Psyence Fiction a DJ Shadow record. I don't care if it's ignorant, he MADE that album what it is. Not James Lavelle...

captncrzy
06-24-2008, 03:07 PM
The wrongness of that list is just too wrong to fathom. I can't even look at it dead on. I have to avert my eyes and look at it sideways.

BlackSwan
06-24-2008, 03:10 PM
In terms of Shadow's discography I'd probably pick UNKLE's Psyence Fiction slightly over Endtroducing.

And yes, I'm calling Psyence Fiction a DJ Shadow record. I don't care if it's ignorant, he MADE that album what it is. Not James Lavelle...

are you just trying to rope me into an argument? because if we go forward with this... you are going to lose.

humanoid
06-24-2008, 03:28 PM
in my world, I just act as if Entertainment Weekly doesn't exist, I'm not going to let their ridiculous list get me all riled up...doesn't make any sense at all

loveless
06-24-2008, 04:55 PM
its kind of interesting to see what their staff could compile, its definitely not worth debating about though.

HunterGather
06-24-2008, 05:03 PM
TV On The Radio: Return to Cookie Mountain (?)

Pixiessp
06-24-2008, 05:27 PM
i will post a list of the 25 albums that have influenced me or had an impact on my existence.

in no particular order:

Siren-Roxy Music
Surfer Rosa-The Pixies
Filigree and Shadow-This Mortal Coil
Colour of Spring-Talk Talk
Doolittle-The Pixies
Dry-PJ Harvey
The Kick Inside-Kate Bush
Dummy-Portishead
Treble and Tremble-Earlimart


this is a lot harder than I expected.
may have to continue at a later date.
I also went back more than 25 years on a few.

wmgaretjax
06-24-2008, 05:32 PM
The Fall - This Nation's Saving Grace

whynotsmile99
06-24-2008, 07:16 PM
i hate creating these kinds of lists, as theres so many albums in the last 25 years i HAVENT listened to.

That said, Massive Attack's Blue Lines and Dr. Dre's Cronic 2001 are in my top 5 no doubt.

the EW list isn't bad at all. A lot of those would probably make it on my list. What do you expect from a popular Entertainment magazine? Theres a lot of crap no doubt, (ahahahahha Imancipation of Mimi) but overall not that shabby.
Bjork, PJ Harvey, Aime Mann, Wilco, Outkast... Totally missing Sade though and Massive Attack.

1. Prince, Purple Rain
2. Lauryn Hill, The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
3. U2, Achtung Baby
4. Kanye West, The College Dropout


7. Jay-Z, The Blueprint
8. Paul Simon, Graceland

10. Radiohead, In Rainbows

12. Outkast, Stankonia
13. Cat Power, You Are Free (the one bright spot, IMO)
14. The Cure, Disintegration
15. Eminem, The Marshall Mathers LP
16. Tom Waits, Rain Dogs
17. Beck, Odelay
18. A Tribe Called Quest, People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm
19. Beyonce, Dangerously in Love (ugh)
20. Fiona Apple, Tidal

22. De La Soul, 3 Feet High and Rising
23. The Flaming Lips, The Soft Bulletin
24. Shania Twain, Come On Over
25. Interpol, Turn On the Bright Lights
26. Bob Dylan, Time Out of Mind
27. Arcade Fire, Funeral
28. Nas, Illmatic


31. Justin Timberlake, FutureSex/LoveSounds (...)
32. R.E.M., Life's Rich Pageant



36. TLC, CrazySexyCool
37. Modest Mouse, The Moon & Antarctica
38. Run-DMC, Raising Hell

40. The Notorious B.I.G., Ready to Die
41. Bob Marley and the Wailers, Legend
42. Wu-Tang Clan, Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
43. Beastie Boys, Paul's Boutique
44. Lucinda Williams, Car Wheels on a Gravel Road
45. Belle and Sebastian, If You're Feeling Sinister
46. Bjork, Homogenic
47. Liz Phair, Exile in Guyville
48. Johnny Cash, American IV: The Man Comes Around
49. Coldplay, A Rush of Blood to the Head
50. LCD Soundsystem, Sound of Silver
51. Fugees, The Score (if you're keeping track, Lauryn Hill is represented as well as both Radiohead and Nirvana combined)

53. Elvis Costello, King of America

55. Public Enemy, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
56. Wilco, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
57. Neil Young, Harvest Moon
58. Pixies, Surfer Rosa

60. Pavement, Crooked Rain Crooked Rain
61. Eric B. & Rakim, Paid in Full
62. Radiohead, OK Computer (finally!)
63. U2, The Joshua Tree
64. Erykah Badu, Mama's Gun
65. The White Stripes, Elephant
66. Dr. Dre, The Chronic
67. Metallica, Metallica
68. Emmylou Harris, Wrecking Ball
69. The Postal Service, Give Up



73. The Smiths, The Queen is Dead
74. Moby, Play
75. Bruce Springsteen, Born in the U.S.A.
76. Ryan Adams, Heartbreaker
77. Portishead, Dummy (wow!)
78. Pearl Jam, Vs.
79. The Replacements, Let It Be

81. Nine Inch Nails, The Downward Spiral
82. Jeff Buckley, Grace
83. The Pretenders, Learning to Crawl
84. New Order, Low-Life


87. 2Pac, All Eyez on Me
88. Peter Gabriel, So
89. Aimee Mann, Bachelor No. 2
90. System of a Down, Toxicity
91. Smashing Pumpkins, Siamese Dream
93. Elliott Smith, Either/Or

96. PJ Harvey, Stories From the City, Stories From the Sea

Sushov23
06-24-2008, 07:19 PM
For now all I know is Jay-Z-the bluprint, Portishead-Dummy, Radiohead-Ok Computer, RHCP-Blood Sugar Sex Magic, Wu-Tang-36 Chambers, Scarface-The Fix are in my top 25.

betao
06-24-2008, 07:25 PM
my personal influential list would have to include:

The Prodigy Fat of The Land
Radiohead - OK Computer
Ulrich Schnauss - A Strangely Isolated Place
Boards of Canada - Geogaddi
Sigur Ros - Agaetis Bryjun
The Cure - Disintegration
Mos Def - Black On Both Sides
Plaid - Restproof Clockwork
Primal Scream - Vanishing Point
My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
Portishead - Live @ Roseland (this counts as one of their albums imo)
Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works 85-92
The Chemical Brothers - Surrender

PassiveTheory
06-24-2008, 07:28 PM
Or, you know, you could stop talking about your lists and actually make them.

Sushov23
06-24-2008, 07:30 PM
I loved Black on both Sides when it came out, also Blackstar, and Talib's first album Reflection Eternal, add Reflection Eternal to my list, Next year Pitchfork for that looking back series or whatever should invite Kweli to perform that album from start to finish, I would be there in a fucking second.

ThomThom
06-24-2008, 07:32 PM
The most influential album ever made is Supernatural by Carlos Santana. The defining moment of that album is the song with the Matchbox Twenty guy. Oh my god... EPIC!

Anything by Lauryn Hill is a really close second.

Sushov23
06-24-2008, 07:33 PM
The most influential album ever made is Supernatural by Carlos Santana. The defining moment of that album is the song with the Matchbox Twenty guy. Oh my god... EPIC!

Why do you hate Carlos Santana? While his music over the last 10 years is pretty much weak sauce, in the 60's and 70's he was the shit.

Boourns
06-24-2008, 07:38 PM
And his recent music with the likes of the Matchbox Twenty guy is not the shit, just shit.

Sushov23
06-24-2008, 07:40 PM
yeah, I wrote that. The music over the last 10 years is pretty much garbage. There are a few standout tracks in each of his last three albums though, but yeah mostly garbage.

ThomThom
06-24-2008, 07:40 PM
Why do you hate Carlos Santana? While his music over the last 10 years is pretty much weak sauce, in the 60's and 70's he was the shit.

Don't you have walls to walk into?

Sushov23
06-24-2008, 07:40 PM
Don't you have walls to walk into?

wait? you don't even like his music from the 60's or 70's?

Mr. Dylanja
06-24-2008, 07:41 PM
GZA - LIQUID SWORDS
TOOL - LATERALUS

PassiveTheory
06-24-2008, 07:42 PM
I don't think you could possible have asked a question with a more obvious answer if you had tried, Sushov.

Sushov23
06-24-2008, 07:44 PM
I know, I just don't get it. Fuck it, hey passive I almost have my list done.

betao
06-24-2008, 07:49 PM
Or, you know, you could stop talking about your lists and actually make them.

mmk then, i'll expand on it and see if I can get it to 25.

in no particular order, these are the albums that have had an influence on me.

The Prodigy Fat of The Land
Radiohead - OK Computer
Ulrich Schnauss - A Strangely Isolated Place
Boards of Canada - Geogaddi
Sigur Ros - Agaetis Bryjun
The Cure - Disintegration
Mos Def - Black On Both Sides
Plaid - Restproof Clockwork
Primal Scream - Vanishing Point
My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
Portishead - Live @ Roseland (this counts as one of their albums imo)
Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works 85-92
The Chemical Brothers - Surrender
Bob Marley - Exodus
Nine Inch Nails - The Downward Spiral
The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots
Massive Attack - Mezzanine
Orbital - Orbital 2 (The Brown Album)
Radiohead - Kid A
Boards of Canada - Music has the Right to Children
The Prodigy - Music for the Jilted Generation
Rage Against the Machine - Evil Empire
The Orb - Bicycles and Tricycles (this could be one of the most underrated albums ever)
Thievery Corporation - Sounds from the Thievery Hi-Fi
The Chemical Brothers - Exit Planet Dust

PassiveTheory
06-24-2008, 07:51 PM
I have no issue compiling the list if you guys don't feel like putting your top 25 in specific order (as in what betao did)

Pixiessp
06-24-2008, 08:02 PM
I have no issue compiling the list if you guys don't feel like putting your top 25 in specific order (as in what betao did)

are you working on the list Passive. i will complete mine soon.

PassiveTheory
06-24-2008, 08:03 PM
mine's kinda done, but since I guess I changed it so that you DONT have to do a top to bottom list... I need to make some changes.

wmgaretjax
06-24-2008, 08:15 PM
top 5 in a vaguely organized fashion:

Radiohead - Kid A
Scott Walker - Tilt
Autechre - Draft 7.30
Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
Tom Waits - Rain Dogs

and to clarify I'm keeping it within my own personal definition of "pop music" nothing academic or way out in left field. Else I have to start worrying about Luigi Nono, Fennesz, Merzbow, and Ekkehard Ehlers.

dontfeedthebird
06-24-2008, 08:18 PM
1. Portishead – dummy
2. Depeche Mode – Violator
3. Marilyn Manson – Mechanical Animal
4. Radiohead – Kid A
5. Daft Punk - Homework
6. Madonna – Music
7. Massive Attack – Blue Lines
8. Prince – The Hits 1
9. Hole - Live Through This
10. AIR – Moon Safari
11. Tricky – Pre Millennium Tension
12. Basement Jaxx - Remedy
13. Moby – Play
14. The Prodigy – Fat Of the Land
15. Sheryl Crow – Tuesday Night Music Club
16. Dixie Chicks – Wide Open Spaces
17. The Chemical Brothers – Surrender
18. Nine Inch Nails – Pretty Hate Machine
19. Aaliyah - On In a Million
20. Batman Forever: Music From the Motion Picture
21. Tu Pac – All Eyez On Me
22. Fiona Apple – Tidal
23. Bjork – Homogenic
24. Alanis Morissette – Jagged Little Pill
25. Dr. Dre - 2001

wmgaretjax
06-24-2008, 08:19 PM
Well you get a point for diversity...

PassiveTheory
06-24-2008, 08:20 PM
Alright, thank you dontfeedthebird.

Somewhat Damaged
06-24-2008, 10:03 PM
Hahahahahaha. Sorry, but the inclusion of the Batman Forever soundtrack is just too fucking hilarious. Props on including Dummy at least.

I would compile a list but I don't really listen to hip hop and I would feel bad leaving out stuff that I'm sure is worthy.

BlackSwan
06-24-2008, 10:48 PM
DAVE MATTHEWS BAND BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr. Dylanja
06-24-2008, 10:48 PM
I had this album when I was 6, thanks Pop. Atleast it had 4 Prince songs on it. I had no idea, I just checked it out. Partyman was the track I had on repeat for what must've been months.....

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51E2EGZS8RL._SS500_.jpg

Backwater
06-24-2008, 11:54 PM
For now all I know is Jay-Z-the bluprint,

Have you ever heard Reasonable Doubt? It's so much better than the blueprint that there's absolutely no contest. That's like choosing Stillmatic over Illmatic. Not only is it Jay-Z's best album but it's one of the best hip hop albums ever. The blueprint was all mainstream, commerical, overproduced, bling bling, bitches and hoes, trendy bullshit. As he says so himself, Reasonable Doubt was his masterpiece.

Sushov23
06-25-2008, 12:15 AM
Have you ever heard Reasonable Doubt? It's so much better than the blueprint that there's absolutely no contest. That's like choosing Stillmatic over Illmatic. Not only is it Jay-Z's best album but it's one of the best hip hop albums ever. The blueprint was all mainstream, commerical, overproduced, bling bling, bitches and hoes, trendy bullshit. As he says so himself, Reasonable Doubt was his masterpiece.

Yeah I love reasonable doubt, it's my 2nd fav Jay-Z album. They are both equally as good, I just happen to prefer The Blueprint. Overproduced? commercial? bling bling? go back and listen to this record please. You fucking fail for that. for the record Jay-Z is top 3 fav. artists IN ANY GENRE, so I know my shit like Paul knows the Beasties, like ThomThom knows Radiohead, like Rage knows Mike Patton, likeSupre knows Thrice, you get the point.

paulb
06-25-2008, 12:20 AM
if u know Jay Z so well... what is he gonna be playing at Pemberton?

JSam67
06-25-2008, 12:36 AM
paulb, I hate to break it to you, but I heard a rumor that the George Carlin show you're going to later this year has a small chance of being canceled...

paulb
06-25-2008, 12:38 AM
why would it be cancelled? He has 2 shows there....

Sushov23
06-25-2008, 12:41 AM
if u know Jay Z so well... what is he gonna be playing at Pemberton?
expect to get your shit blown, because Jay-Z knows what he is doing.

Sushov23
06-25-2008, 12:42 AM
why would it be cancelled? He has 2 shows there....

RIP, and that joke was not cool man(not you paul, the dude that wrote the comment above)

paulb
06-25-2008, 12:48 AM
just like his last special....Im not gonna delete the fucker right off my list cause he is dead.... I give a 6 week grace period.... after that the motherfucker goes right to the recycle bin. Or, Ill just move him to my digital purgatory

xxxxxxxxxx
06-25-2008, 12:49 AM
4. Kanye West, The College Dropout

38. Run-DMC, Raising Hell




Wow. This list is so incredibly stupid. College dropout better than Raising Hell?? Seriously?

NIN's Downward Spiral deserves to be much higher on the list.

Sushov23
06-25-2008, 12:50 AM
hey Paul I'm passing on the gogol show because they are playing Anaheim HOB, and I'm going to that, and I will be checking out another aftershow now at lolla.

paulb
06-25-2008, 12:55 AM
oh lame.... what u seeing instead? when is the Anaheim gig? Im still waiting for a Vancouver show.

Sushov23
06-25-2008, 01:00 AM
I might be going to the BSS/Yeasayer show now, it's Oct.2nd I think.

rage patton
06-25-2008, 01:14 AM
They are on different day! Go to both! Also... when is that Gogol in Anahiem show? It might mean a Vancouver show shortly before or after.

Sushov23
06-25-2008, 01:14 AM
actually on friday I might be going to the The Whigs/Blakes aftershow.
Sat is the BSS/Yeasayer.

rage patton
06-25-2008, 09:39 AM
Ok.... but when is the Gogol show in Anaheim???

Newro7ic
06-25-2008, 09:50 AM
Ok.... but when is the Gogol show in Anaheim???

Oct. 2nd at the Grove. I saw the information posted in the Detour thread. Can't be bothered to find the link.

rage patton
06-25-2008, 09:55 AM
Awesome! Thank you very much. I really hope that means a west coast Gogol tour in the fall.

bmack86
06-25-2008, 10:25 AM
Y'know what sucks about that?

I've never seen Gogol Bordello, but they're playing on the same night as My Bloody Valentine and Sigur Ros, and that's a shitty decision for a young lad to have to make. My Bloody Valentine probably win, but tickets for that cost one arm and half a leg. Sigur Ros would be a great choice if they weren't at the Greek, and Gogol means I have to drive to Anaheim. Shit, sons, make this easier on me.

betao
06-25-2008, 10:34 AM
Y'know what sucks about that?

I've never seen Gogol Bordello, but they're playing on the same night as My Bloody Valentine and Sigur Ros, and that's a shitty decision for a young lad to have to make. My Bloody Valentine probably win, but tickets for that cost one arm and half a leg. Sigur Ros would be a great choice if they weren't at the Greek, and Gogol means I have to drive to Anaheim. Shit, sons, make this easier on me.

wow.

MBV vs Sigur Ros vs Gogol.

that is brutal.

rage patton
06-25-2008, 11:02 AM
Ouch. That really, really does suck. Bryan, I think you would enjoy Gogol's live show, so if you can find a way to make it to one, I am sure it would be worth it. Maybe you will be lucky and Gogol will play Detour, that way the decision is just between MBV and Sigur Ros. That is... if you were planning on going to detour.

crazzz2007
06-25-2008, 01:54 PM
In terms of Shadow's discography I'd probably pick UNKLE's Psyence Fiction slightly over Endtroducing.

And yes, I'm calling Psyence Fiction a DJ Shadow record. I don't care if it's ignorant, he MADE that album what it is. Not James Lavelle...

you are clearly ignorant. shit, you didn't even know who shadow was until a month ago. stop talking out of your ass.

BlackSwan
06-25-2008, 01:59 PM
are you just trying to rope me into an argument? because if we go forward with this... you are going to lose.


you are clearly ignorant. shit, you didn't even know who shadow was until a month ago. stop talking out of your ass.

seriously? :lool i guess we didn't even have to get into for you to lose huh?

and seeing as i bought both of those albums when they came out... you double lose now.

crazzz2007
06-25-2008, 02:01 PM
Yeah I love reasonable doubt, it's my 2nd fav Jay-Z album. They are both equally as good, I just happen to prefer The Blueprint. Overproduced? commercial? bling bling? go back and listen to this record please. You fucking fail for that. for the record Jay-Z is top 3 fav. artists IN ANY GENRE, so I know my shit like Paul knows the Beasties, like ThomThom knows Radiohead, like Rage knows Mike Patton, likeSupre knows Thrice, you get the point.

by your logic, knowing everything about a band/artist must mean the band/artist is great.

who cares how much you know about Jay-Z? what the hell does that have to do with whether or not his albums are good?

Sushov23
06-25-2008, 02:06 PM
read what he wrote, then you'll understand why I wrote that. I was just simply stating I know about Jay-Z. I wasn't trying to use that as my LOGIC to explain why his albums are good. Taking shit out of context, like this boards does a lot.

luckyface
06-25-2008, 02:07 PM
I will say that I actually have preferred the majority of Shadow's non-Entroducing work to Entroducing. Not that I hate the album, as it is still pretty damn good, I just like Preemptive Strike, Psyence Fiction, and even the Private Press more. Preemptive Strike I think is way better, actually. The complete What Does Your Soul Look Like and the extended overhaul of Organ Donor top anything on Entroducing in my opinion.

The Outsider though, holy God does that one stink.

BlackSwan
06-25-2008, 02:17 PM
I will say that I actually have preferred the majority of Shadow's non-Entroducing work to Entroducing. Not that I hate the album, as it is still pretty damn good, I just like Preemptive Strike, Psyence Fiction, and even the Private Press more. Preemptive Strike I think is way better, actually. The complete What Does Your Soul Look Like and the extended overhaul of Organ Donor top anything on Entroducing in my opinion.

The Outsider though, holy God does that one stink.

i'm going to try to respond to this without being a dick... this is one album i will defend until the end...

in what context did you hear Endtroducing...? Was it the first DJ Shadow album you had ever heard? Had you listened to a lot of sample-based music before it? Did you hear it when it first came out? Are you a turntablist?

i agree on The Outsider btw, except like 1 or 2 tracks.

rage patton
06-25-2008, 02:18 PM
DJ Shadow + Cut Chemist are playing at Pemberton... how are they live?

wmgaretjax
06-25-2008, 02:25 PM
i'm going to try to respond to this without being a dick... this is one album i will defend until the end...

in what context did you hear Endtroducing...? Was it the first DJ Shadow album you had ever heard? Had you listened to a lot of sample-based music before it? Did you hear it when it first came out? Are you a turntablist?

i agree on The Outsider btw, except like 1 or 2 tracks.

DJ Shadow is pretty overrated. I don't dislike him. I dig a track here and there. I think my favorite is probably Private Press.

Newro7ic
06-25-2008, 02:28 PM
DJ Shadow + Cut Chemist are playing at Pemberton... how are they live?

It's not terrible. The gimmick is that on this tour they only spin 45's. When I saw them it was pretty good, but I liked Shadow solo more.

It's all a matter of opinion, of course. If you like either artist, you would enjoy it.

BlackSwan
06-25-2008, 02:32 PM
DJ Shadow is pretty overrated. I don't dislike him. I dig a track here and there. I think my favorite is probably Private Press.

Sure... yea... DJ Shadow is overrated in the way Radiohead is...

NPR included Endtroducing..... in its list of the top 300 American songs and albums of the 20th century,[2] and Spin placed the album at number 69 in its list of the 100 greatest albums between 1985 and 2005 in June 2005.[3] In 2006, the album was chosen by TIME as one of the 100 best albums of all time.[4].

Professional reviews:

* Rolling Stone (1/23/97, pp.62-63) - 4 Stars (out of 5) - "The DJ built songs out of layer upon layer of sampled instruments and other sound fragments, most of which he processed, looped and re-arranged far beyond recognition....funky rhythms that never sound like they've been cut and pasted together."

* Spin (p.134) - "[T]his remains a stone classic, channeling Afrika Bambaataa's genre-splicing, DJ-booth mysticism into a fully realized studio epic..." - Spin (1/97, p.81) - 9 (out of 10) - "...layers slinky break-beats with sampled sounds--anything from church bells to War Of The Worlds and, egad, Tears For Fears....a cosmic-chamber feel complete with choruses of fallen angels, plucked harps, Mellotron, and cello."

* Entertainment Weekly (11/29/96, p.92) - "Unfolding like a surreal film soundtrack on which jazz, classical, and jungle fragments are artfully blended with turntable tricks and dialogue snippets, Endtroducing... takes hip-hop into the next dimension." - Rating: A-

* Q (11/96, p.120) - 4 Stars (out of 5) - "Shadow's brief is to develop a totally sample-based idiom, weaving a cinematically broad spectrum so deftly layered that the sampling-is-stealing argument falls flat."

* Uncut (p.121) - 4 stars out of 5 - "It's an elegy from a vinyl mausoleum, a sonic fiction assembled by a keen-eared archaeologist."

* Alternative Press (4/97, p.70) - 5 (out of 5) - "...an undeniable hip-hop masterpiece....DJ Shadow remembers that sampling is an art form."

* Magnet (p.88) - "An instrumental album entirely composed of samples and influenced by both prog rock and Public Enemy was, at the time, revolutionary....Still unmatched in its carefree invention."

* JazzTimes (4/97, p.65) - "Some consider...Endtroducing... a broadcast from hip-hop's near future. But that notion ignores how much this disc reaffirms the music's creative roots....Endtroducing is pretty damn good, with Shadow demonstrating an unerring ear for motif and texture, touching on everything from dub to funk to groove-jazz."

* Option (1-2/97, p.73) - "Shadow makes records the way Robert Rauschenberg made his combines: from scraps, pop artifacts, the things other people throw away....While some of his tracks float serenely on a cloud of jazzy phrasing and ambient textures, Shadow always lands on his beat."

* Melody Maker (9/14/96, p.49) - Bloody Essential - "...it flips hip hop inside out all over again like a reversible glove, and again, and again, and each time it's sudden and new. I am, I confess, totally confounded by it. I hear a lot of good records, but very few impossible ones....You need this record. You are incomplete without it."

* Rap Pages (12/96, p.33) - "Innovative arrangements and structures of sound are present here, reflecting a mind that is constantly summoning collage forms."

* Mojo (p.120) - 4 stars out of 5 - "A decade on, DJ Shadow's affirmatory essay on record collecting as a creative endeavour has lost none of its grandeur."

Also... The album has been cited in Guinness World Records as being the first album created entirely from sampled sources.

But I'm sure your opinion is much more valid...:rolleyes

luckyface
06-25-2008, 02:33 PM
i'm going to try to respond to this without being a dick... this is one album i will defend until the end...

in what context did you hear Endtroducing...? Was it the first DJ Shadow album you had ever heard? Had you listened to a lot of sample-based music before it? Did you hear it when it first came out? Are you a turntablist?

i agree on The Outsider btw, except like 1 or 2 tracks.

What I first heard from Shadow was four songs from Entroducing. That, along with Rabbit in Your Headlights, got me to purchase Psyence Fiction. Which got me to purchase Preemptive Strike, and then a couple of days later Endtroducing.

No, I am not a turntablist and I had not listened to a lot of sample-based music before trying out Shadow's work. Listen, I know people swear by the album. I know it is ground-breaking in many respects. I just don't find it to be as enjoyable as a lot of his other work. Knowledge of what he is doing is not going to change that fact.

And Rage, definitely check out Shadow & Chemist. Their show is a lot of fun.

luckyface
06-25-2008, 02:37 PM
But I'm sure your opinion is much more valid...:rolleyes

Honestly, what makes these people's opinions more valid than anyone else's?

BlackSwan
06-25-2008, 02:40 PM
Honestly, what makes these people's opinions more valid than anyone else's?

nothing... it's more a case by case basis thing, rather than a general law or rule.

wmgaretjax
06-25-2008, 02:40 PM
Also... The album has been cited in Guinness World Records as being the first album created entirely from sampled sources.


I could retort with a similar list of critics lauding absolutely awful albums (and I don't think the album is awful, simply overrated). However, I will respond that this statement is entirely untrue. There are musique concrete albums in the 1960s that were taken from entirely sampled sources (Luc Ferrari and Pierre Henry for starters). Nice try though, fuck the Guinness World Records.

Also, I wouldn't consider a bunch of 4/5 reviews exactly legendary. I mean, isn't that the same kind of response Kelly Clarkson received. I'm not comparing the two, I'm just pointing out that critics are about as valuable as joe schmo when it comes to music these days. But then again, Rolling Stone, EW, and Spin clearly are the places I should go to find out about great music.

Hopeless Semantic
06-25-2008, 02:40 PM
Being a big Shadow fan, I would've jumped in on behalf of Entroducing, but everything that needed to be said, has. Private, Entroducing, and Psyence Fiction definitely have varying degrees of attraction for me.

Sushov23
06-25-2008, 02:48 PM
fuck I never thought I would hear someone say that Endtroducing is overrated. CRAZY!. That album is 10/10.