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whynotsmile99
05-19-2008, 10:36 PM
comes out Tuesday. I'm excited


Palahniuk's audacious ninth novel tells the story of Cassie Wright, an aging porn queen who intends to put an exclamation point on her career by having sex with 600 men in one day on film. The story begins with Mr. 600—the pornosaur who introduced Cassie to the business—as he describes the other 599 actors awaiting their moment on screen

anti-square
05-19-2008, 10:37 PM
Sounds hilarious.

kitt kat
05-19-2008, 11:42 PM
Ugh. This man is everything that's wrong with literature.

UNEDUCATED DOUCHE: Hey, I like books.
ME: Oh yeah? Cool. Me too. What books do you like?
UNEDUCATED DOUCHE: Have you ever read 'CHOKE'?
ME: *rolls eyes*
UNEDUCATED DOUCHE: Chuck Palahniuk is the greatest American author of this generation!
ME: PROJECTILE VOMIT!

wmgaretjax
05-19-2008, 11:46 PM
Ugh. This man is everything that's wrong with literature.

UNEDUCATED DOUCHE: Hey, I like books.
ME: Oh yeah? Cool. Me too. What books do you like?
UNEDUCATED DOUCHE: Have you ever read 'CHOKE'?
ME: *rolls eyes*
UNEDUCATED DOUCHE: Chuck Palahniuk is the greatest American author of this generation!
ME: PROJECTILE VOMIT!

I would never defend someone that claimed him as the greatest author, but I will ask you this katttt, what are some of your favorite books from the 21st century (include the 90s if you need to)?

There is a lot of hostility towards Chuck, but he writes some good fucking stories. They are far from perfect but they are quick, fun reads. If you mean "everything that's wrong with literature" as everything that's wrong with people that never read, I agree.

Hannahrain
05-19-2008, 11:46 PM
Ugh. This man is everything that's wrong with literature.

UNEDUCATED DOUCHE: Hey, I like books.
ME: Oh yeah? Cool. Me too. What books do you like?
UNEDUCATED DOUCHE: Have you ever read 'CHOKE'?
ME: *rolls eyes*
UNEDUCATED DOUCHE: Chuck Palahniuk is the greatest American author of this generation!
ME: PROJECTILE VOMIT!
__________________

It sure is fashionable to hate Palahniuk these days. Good thing you're educated so you know the right way to feel about him.

thelastgreatman
05-19-2008, 11:50 PM
Lemme guess--the entire book is in single-sentence paragraphs.

Hannahrain
05-19-2008, 11:51 PM
The story does sound pretty horrible, although the term "pornosaur" is slightly redeeming.

kitt kat
05-19-2008, 11:59 PM
It sure is fashionable to hate Palahniuk these days. Good thing you're educated so you know the right way to feel about him.

Actually, I've never liked him. At all. It may be just personal taste, but there's nothing original, redeeming, or intelligent about his work. It's trash fiction, and any fucking monkey with a typewriter could have spit it out.

If writing about one's guts being sucked out by a pool drain can be considered 'genius,' I must have missed that memo.

thelastgreatman
05-20-2008, 12:01 AM
There's absolutely nothing wrong with Fight Club. You are wrong.

Since that and Survivor his shtick has gotten tiresome, but the man does fucking EXCEPTIONAL research, goddamn.

Hannahrain
05-20-2008, 12:02 AM
Actually, I've never liked him. At all. It may be just personal taste, but there's nothing original, redeeming, or intelligent about his work. It's trash fiction, and any fucking monkey with a typewriter could have spit it out.

I didn't say he was a genius. And actually, I wouldn't really call myself a fan. But you can't pretend he doesn't know how to put words together. I don't really understand how you get from "ONLY UNEDUCATED DOUCHES LIKE PALAHNIUK" to "It may just be my personal taste, but...".

anti-square
05-20-2008, 12:03 AM
UNEDUCATED DOUCHES DON'T KNOW HOW TO SEND MEMOS.

sonofhal
05-20-2008, 12:07 AM
UNEDUCATED DOUCHE: Hey, I like books.
ME: Oh yeah? Cool. Me too. What books do you like?
UNEDUCATED DOUCHE: Have you ever read 'CHOKE'?
ME: *rolls eyes*
UNEDUCATED DOUCHE: Chuck Palahniuk is the greatest American author of this generation!
ME: PROJECTILE VOMIT!

I'll admit, he can't compete with dialogue of that calibre.

Hannahrain
05-20-2008, 12:12 AM
See, and I thought I liked that dialogue. But then I went to college and college told me I didn't.

thelastgreatman
05-20-2008, 12:14 AM
Kitt Kat just tried for the 1000th time to prove to me she's not dumb. Items on this time's agenda: she read Shakespeare when she was only six years old and got a near perfect score on the SATs when she was 13.

Can't you all tell from that brilliantly droll satire of Chuck?

sonofhal
05-20-2008, 12:14 AM
I plan to spend the rest of the week just randomly exclaiming "PROJECTILE VOMIT!" at the uneducated masses.

thelastgreatman
05-20-2008, 12:16 AM
What were the terrible fucking books Kat once listed as what she considers good writing? Kat, what were those pieces of shit?

kitt kat
05-20-2008, 12:22 AM
Oh? And logging off the computer when you can't actually believe that someone else on this planet might be smart is a sign of maturity?

HAH!

thelastgreatman
05-20-2008, 12:24 AM
It's called blocking some annoying dizzy bitch from the internet.

Deduct ten from your board SAT score.

rage patton
05-20-2008, 12:26 AM
Some of my friends were reading his book "Rant" on the way down to Coachella. They were both loving it. I have never read any of his books, but I did love the movie for "Fight Club."

thestripe
05-20-2008, 02:20 AM
Some of my friends were reading his book "Rant" on the way down to Coachella. They were both loving it. I have never read any of his books, but I did love the movie for "Fight Club."

The movie pretty much followed the book word for word. Anyway, I could not stand "Choke" and the new one doesn't sound too appealing either.

bug on your lip
05-20-2008, 06:06 AM
wasn't Palahniuk a place hit by the Tsunami?

mountmccabe
05-20-2008, 07:52 AM
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The movie pretty much followed the book word for word.

Attempt at spoiler text.
The book was about a cult of personality around an "alternative" leader that in the end was all about controlling his own fascist army. In the book his targets weren't (just?) credit card companies but museums, libraries and other public institutions attempting to destroy as much of gathered human knowledge as possible. And in the book they didn't go the unbelievable route that all these buildings were empty and that no one would get hurt. Durden of the book was a monster.

So yeah, while I won't argue that a good deal of the script was lifted from the book... the purposes and meanings, heroes and anti-heroes and such of the movie and the book are way different.

wmgaretjax
05-20-2008, 09:43 AM
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So yeah, while I won't argue that a good deal of the script was lifted from the book... the purposes and meanings, heroes and anti-heroes and such of the movie and the book are way different.

It was definitely softened up, that kind of cute revolutionary attitude.

shaggyduck
05-20-2008, 10:31 AM
There's absolutely nothing wrong with Fight Club. You are wrong.

Since that and Survivor his shtick has gotten tiresome, but the man does fucking EXCEPTIONAL research, goddamn.

When you're right you're right. And in this instance you're absolutely right.

full on idle
05-20-2008, 10:32 AM
I've only read that one short story then also some excerpts from Fight Club and Choke but he is so, so, gross. I would never make it through an entire novel I would be skipping over every other paragraph to not vomit.

jonnypark
05-20-2008, 10:43 AM
I liked the first two books of his that I read but found they got gimmicky after that.

mountmccabe
05-20-2008, 10:50 AM
I liked the first two books of his that I read but found they got gimmicky after that.

I hafta mostly agree here. Which is to say he doesn't have a lot of range, stylistically.

Though I've still read all his fiction. Other than Rant, I guess, which I missed. And Snuff, which just comes out today and all.

wmgaretjax
05-20-2008, 10:58 AM
I liked the first two books of his that I read but found they got gimmicky after that.

I'm not sure gimmicky is the right word because there is an internal logic that matches the concepts he's working with. He's just kind of beat it to death at this point. I did think "Diary" was quite interesting though...

TomAz
05-20-2008, 11:01 AM
Oh? And logging off the computer when you can't actually believe that someone else on this planet might be smart is a sign of maturity?

HAH!

believe me, maturity is overrated, kid.

samiksha
05-20-2008, 11:36 AM
he's in muh town tonight

whynotsmile99
05-20-2008, 11:51 AM
I've only read that one short story then also some excerpts from Fight Club and Choke but he is so, so, gross. I would never make it through an entire novel I would be skipping over every other paragraph to not vomit.

you should read American Psycho by Ellis. It's not gross at all, in fact, its quite charming

thelastgreatman
05-20-2008, 11:57 AM
Ha. If only Foi was really dumb this could be turned into a clever ruse.

thelastgreatman
05-20-2008, 11:57 AM
Foi, get stupid--FAST.

thelastgreatman
05-20-2008, 11:57 AM
Foi, get stupid--FAST.

full on idle
05-20-2008, 12:02 PM
I would have to get really, really, really stupid.

Boourns
05-20-2008, 12:08 PM
Fight Club and Choke are hella enjoyable. But yeah, everything after that I've read is too gimmicky. Not that gimmicks are necessarily bad. And the pool story scarred me for life.

bug on your lip
05-20-2008, 12:08 PM
starting...... NOW

full on idle
05-20-2008, 12:12 PM
Where am I?

bug on your lip
05-20-2008, 12:14 PM
STUPIDER

full on idle
05-20-2008, 12:15 PM
I like Metric.

thelastgreatman
05-20-2008, 12:16 PM
Grow Up And Blow Away is a good song. STUPIDER.

wmgaretjax
05-20-2008, 12:17 PM
Where am I?

yoweewoweeeyoweeewoweee

full on idle
05-20-2008, 12:17 PM
my cat's breath smells like cat food?

thelastgreatman
05-20-2008, 12:17 PM
yoweewoweeeyoweeewoweee

Well put.

Alchemy
05-20-2008, 12:20 PM
I've only read Fight Club, but from what I remember, Palahniuk writes very concisely. It was easy and quick to read and it was just as entertaining as the movie. My girlfriend has read Survivor and she liked it a lot. I should probably read it too...

wmgaretjax
05-20-2008, 12:25 PM
my cat's breath smells like cat food?

There is not even the remote possibility of using that to wax my car!

anti-square
05-20-2008, 12:37 PM
I've only read Fight Club, but from what I remember, Palahniuk writes very concisely. It was easy and quick to read and it was just as entertaining as the movie. My girlfriend has read Survivor and she liked it a lot. I should probably read it too...

I read Survivor. I remember enjoying it, although it got a little over the top at times.

roberto73
05-20-2008, 01:28 PM
I like Palahniuk. I guess that makes me an uneducated douche. Oh well. I'll try to put that out of my mind when I'm working on my dissertation later today.

malcolmjamalawesome
05-20-2008, 03:36 PM
I think Chuck Palahniuk is fantastic. And I'm pretty sure Kat is dumb, too, whoever the fuck she is.

wmgaretjax
05-20-2008, 03:36 PM
I like Palahniuk. I guess that makes me an uneducated douche. Oh well. I'll try to put that out of my mind when I'm working on my dissertation later today.

what is your dissertation on?

roberto73
05-20-2008, 09:09 PM
what is your dissertation on?

I'll try to keep it short:

I'm basically looking at the way California has further fucked up its educational system by instituting a set of content standards in the English/Language Arts that represent a grossly ignorant view of the way people make meaning of texts, and actually encourage students to stop reading altogether. I'm arguing that good teachers don't pay a bit of attention to the standards, and that teachers whose classrooms primarily serve the state's standards and assessments are less successful than those teachers who encourage, instead, discussion, debate, and critical thinking.

I'm getting at this through my own textual analysis of the standards; interviews and observations with a dozen teachers; analysis of the state's standardized tests; comparison of California's standards with other states' standards; and a discussion of the political atmosphere in which California's standards were written.

I don't claim to have all the answers, but it's disturbing that there's been no serious analysis of California's standards and assessments. They were just accepted with very little discussion or criticism. That's a problem since the literature standards, for instance, represent the study of literature as devised by people who don't know anything about the study of literature.

LooseAtTheZoo
05-20-2008, 09:36 PM
I can't remember the exact name, but a few years ago he came out with a collection of nonfiction short stories that seemed to be less sensational than others that I have read by him. Granted, there are still the stories about visiting the sex festival and taking out his own kidney stone, but they just seemed...lighter. This was after I read Haunted (I think it was called), which I thought was just atrocious. Anytime Maxim magazine gives you space for a masturbation cautionary tale I'm pretty sure one of the first prophecies in Revelation of the world coming to an end has been fulfilled.

wmgaretjax
05-20-2008, 11:27 PM
I don't claim to have all the answers, but it's disturbing that there's been no serious analysis of California's standards and assessments. They were just accepted with very little discussion or criticism. That's a problem since the literature standards, for instance, represent the study of literature as devised by people who don't know anything about the study of literature.

Very, very cool. Similar stuff has been going on with standardized education here in WA. The only people that seem to give a damn about it are the teachers that are dramatically opposed to it. Everyone else kind of just shrugs their shoulders.

thelastgreatman
05-20-2008, 11:35 PM
I'll try to keep it short:

I'm basically looking at the way California has further fucked up its educational system by instituting a set of content standards in the English/Language Arts that represent a grossly ignorant view of the way people make meaning of texts, and actually encourage students to stop reading altogether. I'm arguing that good teachers don't pay a bit of attention to the standards, and that teachers whose classrooms primarily serve the state's standards and assessments are less successful than those teachers who encourage, instead, discussion, debate, and critical thinking.

I'm getting at this through my own textual analysis of the standards; interviews and observations with a dozen teachers; analysis of the state's standardized tests; comparison of California's standards with other states' standards; and a discussion of the political atmosphere in which California's standards were written.

I don't claim to have all the answers, but it's disturbing that there's been no serious analysis of California's standards and assessments. They were just accepted with very little discussion or criticism. That's a problem since the literature standards, for instance, represent the study of literature as devised by people who don't know anything about the study of literature.

Are you going to give the unions shit in this paper? Cause they're largely the cocksuckers responsible. http://www.viceland.com/int/v11n8/htdocs/trenchcoat.php

Tylerdurden31
05-21-2008, 04:13 AM
I can't remember the exact name, but a few years ago he came out with a collection of nonfiction short stories that seemed to be less sensational than others that I have read by him. Granted, there are still the stories about visiting the sex festival and taking out his own kidney stone, but they just seemed...lighter. This was after I read Haunted (I think it was called), which I thought was just atrocious. Anytime Maxim magazine gives you space for a masturbation cautionary tale I'm pretty sure one of the first prophecies in Revelation of the world coming to an end has been fulfilled.

that was his guide to Portland. Stranger Than Fiction

roberto73
05-21-2008, 07:47 AM
Are you going to give the unions shit in this paper? Cause they're largely the cocksuckers responsible. http://www.viceland.com/int/v11n8/htdocs/trenchcoat.php

They might be part of the puzzle, but truthfully, the real issue is the standards themselves. California's are disgraceful, and they don't have to be. Michigan's, for instance, are great. They represent quality thinking about the way people actually read and write, and encourage students to read, to enjoy reading, to react personally to what they read, and to think critically about it. California's, on the other hand, essentially turn the act of reading into the acquisition of terminology. Not coincidentally, Michigan's were written by, among others, practicing teachers and people affiliated with the National Writing Project. Who were California's written by? University people, members of the state Department of Education, administrators, and a couple people whose specialty is literacy. Doesn't it seem problematic that there wasn't a practicing teacher on the committee that developed the standards which determine what practicing teachers teach?

THe dictate to devise "rigorous" standards comes from Washington D.C., and we have Clinton to blame for it. In order to receive federal Title I funds, states have to have a system of standards and assessments in place. The state had a chance to come up with something meaningful, and they blew it. That's their fault, not the CTA's. I'm not absolving the union; it would be nice if they had stood up and pushed for something of quality. But I don't see how the blame can rest anywhere but with the state Department of Education.

TomAz
05-21-2008, 07:52 AM
THe dictate to devise "rigorous" standards comes from Washington D.C., and we have Clinton to blame for it. In order to receive federal Title I funds, states have to have a system of standards and assessments in place.

Rob you are not questioning the need for standards are you? You're just saying California's standards are fucked?

roberto73
05-21-2008, 08:05 AM
Rob you are not questioning the need for standards are you? You're just saying California's standards are fucked?

Exactly. I think Michigan's are fantastic, and can be extremely beneficial. One of the things I'm going to do is put California's and Michigan's side by side and try to point out why Michigan's are better.

I left out a sentence in the thing you quoted, which is why I sound like I'm against standards. I put "rigorous" in quotes because, when the Clinton administration passed their legislation, they didn't put in place any kind of guidelines that explained what "rigorous" standards are, nor did they want to be seen as evaluating the standards that states eventually devised. Some states came up with truly worthwhile, rigorous standards; some didn't. Unfortunately, there's been no serious evaluation of the standards that are driving education and assessment. The assumption was made that any standards are good, which is why California's have gone unchallenged.

TomAz
05-21-2008, 08:07 AM
So basically, the people who are devising the means to hold our education system accountable for results, must themselves be held accountable for their own work. Makes sense. When the paper is done and accepted you should find a PR guy to get it out to the press. Effect change!

SubBass49
05-21-2008, 05:46 PM
roberto73 - I think what you're doing is a great idea. I hope it is a successful and informative dissertation, and that it can be used to improve public education in CA. I'm a high school teacher, and I can say that the teachers that stick to the CA standards don't often have successful classes...at least at my school. You have to be flexible and adapt to the students you have at any given time. The idea of a one-size-fits-all approach is completely ridiculous, and goes to show how little politicians really know about education.

/and to think I came to this thread to find out about the new C.P. book.
//Please keep me posted as to your findings.

twoheadedboy
05-21-2008, 07:00 PM
kitt catt
stop acting like you know what literature is
i will hand it to you... palahniuk is stuck in his way with his literature
but completely bagging on his writing doesnt make you seem anymore interesting.. i'd like to see you become as successful as him writing something with actual depth.

ghettojournalist
05-21-2008, 07:13 PM
i've heard decent marks for the new novel. i might read it later in the year, though. too many other books to get through.

Alchemy
05-21-2008, 08:59 PM
Roberto, you should send some copies of your work over to Texas. Man, the education is stupid here.

wmgaretjax
05-21-2008, 09:01 PM
kitt catt
stop acting like you know what literature is
i will hand it to you... palahniuk is stuck in his way with his literature
but completely bagging on his writing doesnt make you seem anymore interesting.. i'd like to see you become as successful as him writing something with actual depth.

Don't validate Kitt Katt's response by acting like a complete fucking retard, I'd like to see you... ugh...

Alchemy
05-21-2008, 09:07 PM
Do all of Chuck's books have something to do with society in terms of pampered capitalists, famous people, and somewhat uniquely American habits/things? I've only read one book, but from what I hear, it seems like that. Not that it'd be a bad thing.

Hannahrain
05-21-2008, 09:08 PM
Don't validate Kitt Katt's response by acting like a complete fucking retard, I'd like to see you... ugh...

Yeah? I'd like to see YOU validate her response by acting like a complete fucking retard, Jared. Jesus Christ.




Kidding. Love you.

roberto73
05-21-2008, 09:15 PM
Roberto, you should send some copies of your work over to Texas. Man, the education is stupid here.

Ha. Yeah, one of the things I'm doing is replicating a study that was done of the TAAS test. California might fare a little better, but not by much. The section of California's standardized test that assesses writing ability doesn't actually have the students do any writing. Go figure.

SubBass49
05-22-2008, 04:53 AM
The section of California's standardized test that assesses writing ability doesn't actually have the students do any writing. Go figure.

Doesn't surprise me one bit.

You've all heard about the Military Industrial Complex, but there is an almost equally destructive force in the EDUCATION Industrial Complex. Too many people make too much money by making new tests, textbooks, etc. It's just too bad that most of these people are not educators, but rather business people. Doing more harm than good and getting rich while they're at it.

wmgaretjax
05-22-2008, 10:00 AM
Kidding. Love you.

Don't tread on me.

Hannahrain
05-22-2008, 10:17 AM
That's so representative of the time that I ruled Britain and you ran away and formed the colonies. How apropos.

wmgaretjax
05-22-2008, 01:55 PM
That's so representative of the time that I ruled Britain and you ran away and formed the colonies. How apropos.

Now look where things are? Your porridge is cold, and I rule the world with a velvet boot.

Hannahrain
05-22-2008, 01:58 PM
Let's talk about healthcare, you piddling Yankee swine.

marooko
05-24-2008, 07:05 AM
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