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nationocean
03-25-2008, 09:31 AM
So I sez to Mable. I sez Mable, Entertainment Weekly named the 25 best indie albums for the last 25 years, by year.

And Mable's like "Don't calls me Mable!"

Entertainment Weekly Do-Hicky (http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20184315,00.html)

Anyway, I was reading this article this morning. If you actually get the print version it is a nifty mini-magazine inside EW. For like one small moment, EW becomes cool and talks about everything from Daydream Nation to Meat is Murder.

Enjoy.

ThomThom
03-25-2008, 09:37 AM
I'm surprised a weekly such as EW came up with a list like this.

nationocean
03-25-2008, 09:39 AM
The Intro;

The Indie Rock 25
Why do we love indie rock? Because it shuns everything that is prefab, safe, typical. It's about freedom, expression, passion — no rules, man! But in order to narrow down hundreds of hours of incredible musical output from the last two and a half decades, we had to apply some...well, rules: 1. Only one album may represent each year (hence the inclusion, in some cases, of too-hard-to-dismiss runners-up, and a number of difficult compromises we had to make). 2. All the bands had to have been signed to an independent label for the given album (ergo, the absence of Nirvana and the Flaming Lips, whose true genius didn't manifest itself until they graduated to the big leagues, but the inclusion of My Bloody Valentine and the Pixies, who originally signed to small labels in the U.K.). 3. The term ''band'' must be taken literally (thus eliminating otherwise unimpeachable artists like Elliott Smith, Sufjan Stevens, and Cat Power). Even still, there was many an internal battle over the final choices here at EW headquarters, and resentments that will surely fester long after this issue has run its course. But isn't that the beauty of it all — the fact that we had such a wealth to choose from? Our picks, and those unpicked, will no doubt spark debate with you as well; in fact, we hope it does. Because that, friends, is rock & roll.

The List:

2008: Radiohead - In Rainbows
2007: Spoon - Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga
2006: The Hold Steady - Boys and Girls in America
2005: Bright Eyes - I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning
2004: Arcade Fire - Funeral
2003: The White Stripes - Elephant
2002: Interpol - Turn on the bright lights
2001: The Shins - Oh, Inverted World
2000: Yo La Tengo - and then nothing turned itself inside out
1999: sleater-kinney - the hot rock
1998: neutral milk hotel - In The Aeroplane Over The Sea
1997: Modest Mouse - Lonesome Crowded West
1996: belle and sebastian - if you're feeling sinister
1995: Archers of Loaf - Vee Vee
1994: Guided by Voices - Bee Thousand
1993: Built to Spill - Ultimate Alternative Wavers
1992: Pavement - Slanted and Enchanted
1991: My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
1990: Fugazi - Repeater
1989: The Pixes - Doolittle
1988: Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
1987: Dinosaur Jr. - You're Living All Over Me
1986: R.E.M. - Lifes Rich Pageant
1985: The Smiths - Meat is Murder
1984: The Replacements - Let It Be

ThomThom
03-25-2008, 09:43 AM
I disagree with The Shins in 2001...

nationocean
03-25-2008, 09:51 AM
I disagree with The Shins in 2001...

What should be 2001?

I say Microphones..

goatparade
03-25-2008, 09:59 AM
They are missing Yankee Hotel Foxtrot and You Forgot it in People

ThomThom
03-25-2008, 10:05 AM
They are missing Yankee Hotel Foxtrot and You Forgot it in People

ewwwww, good calls.

nationocean
03-25-2008, 10:05 AM
They are missing Yankee Hotel Foxtrot and You Forgot it in People

I love YFiiP, really a great break-through album for BSS.

And I loved the Documentary for Yankee more than the album for some reason. Just great black and white footage, and the music made more sense. But a little overrated in the end.

shotglass75
03-25-2008, 10:10 AM
So I sez to Mable. I sez Mable, Entertainment Weekly named the 25 best indie albums for the last 25 years, by year.

And Mable's like "Don't calls me Mable!"

Entertainment Weekly Do-Hicky (http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20184315,00.html)

Anyway, I was reading this article this morning. If you actually get the print version it is a nifty mini-magazine inside EW. For like one small moment, EW becomes cool and talks about everything from Daydream Nation to Meat is Murder.

Enjoy.

dude, where is that Mable line from? I have been saying that for like 10 years and have never known where I picked it up from.

ThomThom
03-25-2008, 10:13 AM
As much as I love those albums by Wilco and BSS, Interpol's debut did alot more for me, I felt much closer to that album more than any others that year.

TomAz
03-25-2008, 10:27 AM
that list is marred by the inclusion of the Smiths, Archers of Loaf, and Interpol.

otherwise it's not too bad. although excluding Wilco is just dumb.

ThomThom
03-25-2008, 10:33 AM
I just noticed Archers of Loaf...

FAIL.

nationocean
03-25-2008, 10:37 AM
that list is marred by the inclusion of the Smiths, Archers of Loaf, and Interpol.

otherwise it's not too bad. although excluding Wilco is just dumb.

But for Entertainment Weekly.. one of the WORST publications ever, really..
This is a pretty good list for them.

nationocean
03-25-2008, 11:15 AM
dude, where is that Mable line from? I have been saying that for like 10 years and have never known where I picked it up from.

From Phrases UK:

It's an allusion to the book The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald. 'At one of the parties, Gatsby meets two women already in conversation. We overhear this segment "So I says to Mabel, I says... I'll continue this later." Gatsby and the woman have a quick chat and Gatsby leaves. As he's leaving we hear the line again, "So I says to Mabel, I says..." This is mirrored in a Simpsons episode, where Bart and Lisa are conversing, and Homer is the interrupter. So I says, to Mabel, I says. . ."

TomAz
03-25-2008, 11:30 AM
But for Entertainment Weekly.. one of the WORST publications ever, really..
This is a pretty good list for them.

agreed

PotVsKtl
03-25-2008, 11:43 AM
It's the wrong Archers of Loaf album, that's for sure. After 1998 the whole thing's a wash, before then it's not bad.

PotVsKtl
03-25-2008, 11:44 AM
Go fuck yourself.

PotVsKtl
03-25-2008, 11:51 AM
Saying Ga Ga Ga Ga was the best indie album of 2007 is fucking retarded by the way.

ThomThom
03-25-2008, 11:51 AM
Go fuck yourself.

Was that for nation?

PassiveTheory
03-25-2008, 11:52 AM
Bright Eyes in 2005?... Really?

mountmccabe
03-25-2008, 11:58 AM
Nonesuch is/was owned by Warner, you Wilco-touting folk.

TomAz
03-25-2008, 11:59 AM
Bright Eyes in 2005?... Really?

well that is his best album.

nationocean
03-25-2008, 12:00 PM
Was that for nation?

It's always for me ThomThom :)

mountmccabe
03-25-2008, 12:03 PM
The List, Ranked by My Preference:

1998: neutral milk hotel - In The Aeroplane Over The Sea
1997: Modest Mouse - Lonesome Crowded West
1984: The Replacements - Let It Be
1996: belle and sebastian - if you're feeling sinister
1988: Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
1992: Pavement - Slanted and Enchanted
1994: Guided by Voices - Bee Thousand
1989: The Pixes - Doolittle
2000: Yo La Tengo - and then nothing turned itself inside out
1990: Fugazi - Repeater
2002: Interpol - Turn on the bright lights
2004: Arcade Fire - Funeral
1991: My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
2008: Radiohead - In Rainbows
2001: The Shins - Oh, Inverted World
2003: The White Stripes - Elephant
1999: sleater-kinney - the hot rock
1985: The Smiths - Meat is Murder
1986: R.E.M. - Lifes Rich Pageant
2005: Bright Eyes - I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning
2006: The Hold Steady - Boys and Girls in America
2007: Spoon - Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga


That was tough.


Ones I don't really know
1995: Archers of Loaf - Vee Vee
1993: Built to Spill - Ultimate Alternative Wavers
1987: Dinosaur Jr. - You're Living All Over Me

TomAz
03-25-2008, 12:05 PM
Saying Ga Ga Ga Ga was the best indie album of 2007 is fucking retarded by the way.

yeah i think rather than name the best album each year they just wanted to put together a list of groups they like. hence no band named twice. same with YLT in 2000.

at least they got the right REM and Replacements album.

inutil
03-25-2008, 12:08 PM
Saying Ga Ga Ga Ga was the best indie album of 2007 is fucking retarded by the way.

uh, no it's not.

ThomThom
03-25-2008, 12:11 PM
I would put Strawberry Jam ahead of GaGaGaGaGa in 2007.

PotVsKtl
03-25-2008, 12:22 PM
uh, no it's not.

Battles - Mirrored
Black Rebel Motorcycle Club - Baby 81
Deerhoof - Friend Opportunity
Thee More Shallows - Book of Bad Breaks
Parts and Labor - Mapmaker
Menomena - Friend and Foe

All better. And that's just thinking of what would typically be considered indie in a publication like EW.

TomAz
03-25-2008, 12:22 PM
best album of 07 was made by LCD Soundsystem

nationocean
03-25-2008, 12:23 PM
yeah i think rather than name the best album each year they just wanted to put together a list of groups they like. hence no band named twice. same with YLT in 2000.

at least they got the right REM and Replacements album.

well they did give themselves rules for making there list. so it kinda makes sense that they only gave one band one slot. it feels like they really wanted to give a band credit on another album but gave them another album since it was taken by a better album. like YLT, Built To Spill and others..

nationocean
03-25-2008, 12:24 PM
I would put Strawberry Jam ahead of GaGaGaGaGa in 2007.

That would be my vote.

bballarl
03-25-2008, 01:02 PM
The List, Ranked by My Preference:

1998: neutral milk hotel - In The Aeroplane Over The Sea
1997: Modest Mouse - Lonesome Crowded West
1984: The Replacements - Let It Be
1996: belle and sebastian - if you're feeling sinister
1988: Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
1992: Pavement - Slanted and Enchanted
1994: Guided by Voices - Bee Thousand
1989: The Pixes - Doolittle
2000: Yo La Tengo - and then nothing turned itself inside out
1990: Fugazi - Repeater
2002: Interpol - Turn on the bright lights
2004: Arcade Fire - Funeral
1991: My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
2008: Radiohead - In Rainbows
2001: The Shins - Oh, Inverted World
2003: The White Stripes - Elephant
1999: sleater-kinney - the hot rock
1985: The Smiths - Meat is Murder
1986: R.E.M. - Lifes Rich Pageant
2005: Bright Eyes - I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning
2006: The Hold Steady - Boys and Girls in America
2007: Spoon - Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga


That was tough.


Ones I don't really know
1995: Archers of Loaf - Vee Vee
1993: Built to Spill - Ultimate Alternative Wavers
1987: Dinosaur Jr. - You're Living All Over Me

John, I can't believe you don't know YLAOM. That album rules extremely hard.

inutil
03-25-2008, 01:09 PM
best album of 07 was made by LCD Soundsystem

it wasthe best.. but it was on capitol records...

inutil
03-25-2008, 01:13 PM
Battles - Mirrored
Black Rebel Motorcycle Club - Baby 81
Deerhoof - Friend Opportunity
Thee More Shallows - Book of Bad Breaks
Parts and Labor - Mapmaker
Menomena - Friend and Foe

All better. And that's just thinking of what would typically be considered indie in a publication like EW.

I've only heard half of those, and neither of them top gagagagaga for me... mirroed is a close second though. plus I've n ever gotten bands like deerhoof or animal collective, or why they are called experimental.. that's such a lame tag...

fatbastard
03-25-2008, 01:13 PM
best album of 07 was made by LCD Soundsystem

Indeed. Sound of Silver has changed my life (for now).

M Sparks
03-25-2008, 01:16 PM
I'd kick them for picking Doolittle over Surfer Rosa, but since Surfer came out in '88, it's hard to fault them for picking Daydream Nation

TomAz
03-25-2008, 01:17 PM
it wasthe best.. but it was on capitol records...

labels are irrelevant.

inutil
03-25-2008, 01:18 PM
labels are irrelevant.

for this list they were.

M Sparks
03-25-2008, 01:20 PM
at least they got the right...Replacements album.

Not much of a choice, really. Wasn't Let It Be their last indie album?

Hootnanny was OK, but really...everything before Let It Be was pretty weak.

jonnypark
03-25-2008, 01:23 PM
As for Interpol in 2002 i would think Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots should have been the pick...perhaps there was a technicality as it was on a major label but still...

PotVsKtl
03-25-2008, 02:41 PM
2002
McLusky - McLusky Do Dallas
Hot Hot Heat - Make Up the Breakdown
Mirah - Advisory Committee
Mountain Goats - Tallahassee

Boourns
03-25-2008, 04:09 PM
a pretty good list. 2006 and 2007 choices could be better but not bad. They listed the essentials.

nationocean
03-25-2008, 05:02 PM
a pretty good list. 2006 and 2007 choices could be better but not bad. They listed the essentials.

I (STRONGLY DISLIKE) the hold steady.

barf.

ThomThom
03-25-2008, 05:06 PM
Tv on the Radio, The Knife, Liars, Boris, Yo La Tengo, and Man Man all had better "indie" albums in 2006.

nationocean
03-25-2008, 05:12 PM
Tv on the Radio, The Knife, Liars, Boris, Yo La Tengo, and Man Man all had better "indie" albums in 2006.

Boris!

Sweet. the rest of those are ok too ;)

wmgaretjax
03-25-2008, 05:26 PM
Tv on the Radio, The Knife, Liars, Boris, Yo La Tengo, and Man Man all had better "indie" albums in 2006.

yes. and Sonic Youth, Sunset Rubdown, Grizzly Bear, Califone, Destroyer, joanna newsom, tim hecker (all this really depends on what you consider Indie)....

thelastgreatman
03-25-2008, 05:34 PM
Sleater Kinney was the worst music I've ever heard without exception. They weren't even just shitty, they seemed to have no fucking concept of being in key, in time, harmonies, nothing. It's the fucking antithesis of music.

shotglass75
03-25-2008, 05:34 PM
From Phrases UK:

It's an allusion to the book The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald. 'At one of the parties, Gatsby meets two women already in conversation. We overhear this segment "So I says to Mabel, I says... I'll continue this later." Gatsby and the woman have a quick chat and Gatsby leaves. As he's leaving we hear the line again, "So I says to Mabel, I says..." This is mirrored in a Simpsons episode, where Bart and Lisa are conversing, and Homer is the interrupter. So I says, to Mabel, I says. . ."

Um...yeah...I got it from The Simpsons version. The only thing I read all the way through in High School was Catcher in The Rye.

and once again I am sorry to say this but I agree with lastgreatman in the above post. Damn you!!!!

nationocean
03-25-2008, 05:39 PM
Um...yeah...I got it from The Simpsons version. The only thing I read all the way through in High School was Catcher in The Rye.

and once again I am sorry to say this but I agree with lastgreatman in the above post. Damn you!!!!

Simpsons rawk, but everbody knows that ;)

wmgaretjax
03-25-2008, 05:40 PM
It's the fucking antithesis of music.

What is the thesis of music?

thelastgreatman
03-25-2008, 05:42 PM
Entertaining sound.

Sonicifyouwantit
03-25-2008, 05:43 PM
So I sez to Mable. I sez Mable, Entertainment Weekly named the 25 best indie albums for the last 25 years, by year.

And Mable's like "Don't calls me Mable!"

Entertainment Weekly Do-Hicky (http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20184315,00.html)

Anyway, I was reading this article this morning. If you actually get the print version it is a nifty mini-magazine inside EW. For like one small moment, EW becomes cool and talks about everything from Daydream Nation to Meat is Murder.

Enjoy.

I do get it, usually its included, a seperate music section...hmmm didnt see it though. Which cover is it?

wmgaretjax
03-25-2008, 05:46 PM
Entertaining sound.

Clearly, something must follow traditional notions of western tuning (what I assume you are referring to in your description of in key and harmonies) and rhythm in order to "entertain sound."

Your hyperbole is tired good friend. Take a cold shower and relax for the evening, you deserve it.

MissingPerson
03-25-2008, 05:48 PM
I'm unexpectedly impressed by this list.

ThomThom
03-25-2008, 05:48 PM
Your hyperbole is tired good friend. Take a cold shower and relax for the evening, you deserve it.



This is how many homeruns in one day?

nationocean
03-25-2008, 05:54 PM
I do get it, usually its included, a seperate music section...hmmm didnt see it though. Which cover is it?

It's the Spring TV Preview with Desperate Housewives on the cover (barf)

But the Indie Rock mini-mag is between pages 36&37 in my copy.

The doodles are quite fun :)

thelastgreatman
03-25-2008, 05:57 PM
Clearly, something must follow traditional notions of western tuning (what I assume you are referring to in your description of in key and harmonies) and rhythm in order to "entertain sound."

Your hyperbole is tired good friend. Take a cold shower and relax for the evening, you deserve it.

You asked me an asshole question, you got an asshole answer. And it's still accurate. That was the opposite of entertaining sound--it was painful sound. The fact that it was completely musically untalented is just explanation of in what ways it was painful.

Your attempt is fucked, good friend. Go knock something up.

jonnypark
03-25-2008, 06:22 PM
I (STRONGLY DISLIKE) the hold steady.

barf.

This is the first time I have had cause to strongly agree with something you've said. I can't fucking stand this band.

I would wish physical harm on the singer.

mountmccabe
03-25-2008, 08:10 PM
yes. and Sonic Youth, Sunset Rubdown, Grizzly Bear, Califone, Destroyer, joanna newsom, tim hecker (all this really depends on what you consider Indie)....

They gave a definition in the article - on an indie label. So no Sonic Youth. They also ruled out solo artists, no Joanna Newsom. And this was about indie rock so if the no solo artists doesn't get Tim Hecker (it does) then the not being indie rock does.




This is the first time I have had cause to strongly agree with something you've said. I can't fucking stand this band.

I would wish physical harm on the singer.

I don't like the band so much anymore but I like Craig Finn. LFTR PLLR FTW.

mob roulette
03-25-2008, 08:26 PM
I really liked Sleater-Kinney, Randy. I'm not just saying this cause it's you.

Also You're Living All Over Me is a seriously great record. Seriously.

Also that's the wrong Spoon record. Substitute Kill The Moonlight for Interpol and that's a fairly decent list. Except for the aforementioned Smiths, Archers of Loaf, etc.

i_like_cake530
03-25-2008, 08:41 PM
Battles - Mirrored
Black Rebel Motorcycle Club - Baby 81
Deerhoof - Friend Opportunity
Thee More Shallows - Book of Bad Breaks
Parts and Labor - Mapmaker
Menomena - Friend and Foe

All better. And that's just thinking of what would typically be considered indie in a publication like EW.

BRMC FTW!

BlackSwan
03-25-2008, 09:33 PM
They are missing ... You Forgot it in People

Thought the same thing when i saw this list.