the official 2012 thread

[unitedwestand]

since no one has really talked about it on here,
we should because according to the Mayans,
the world will go through a transitional period between this world and the next.
Here are some of the many Metaphysical Prophecies about 2012:
2012 is sometimes claimed to be a great year of spiritual transformation (or apocalypse). Many esoteric sources interpret the completion of the thirteenth B'ak'tun cycle in the Long Count of the Maya calendar (which occurs on December 21 by the most widely held correlation) to mean there will be a major change in world order.

Accordingly, several eclectic authors claim that a major, world-changing event will take place in 2012:

* The 1995 book The Mayan Prophecies linked the Maya calendar with long-period sunspot cycles.
* The book 2012: Mayan Year of Destiny claims the Maya may have been instructed in their wisdom by disembodied entities from Orion and the Pleiades. Contact was maintained through shamanic rituals conducted in accordance with the movements of planets and stars. However, some Mayan priests living and working in Guatemala assert that there is no legitimacy to this theory.
* The 1997 book The Bible Code claims that, according to certain algorithms of the Bible code, a meteor, asteroid or comet will collide with the Earth.
* The book The Nostradamus Code speaks of a series of natural disasters caused by a comet (possibly as above) that will allow the third Antichrist to disperse his troops around the globe under the guise of aid in preparation for a possible nuclear war, although in the strictest sense it is unspecific as to nuclear war or some other natural or man caused destruction.
* The book The Orion Prophecy claims that the Earth's magnetic field will reverse.
* The 2005 book Beyond 2012: Catastrophe or Ecstasy by Geoff Stray reviews several theories, prophecies and predictions concerning 2012 and finds where authors have used faulty information or have bent the truth to fit their theories.
* The 2006 book 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl by Daniel Pinchbeck discusses theories of a possible global awakening to psychic connection by the year 2012, creating a noosphere.
* The 2007 book Apocalypse 2012: A Scientific Investigation into Civilization's End by Lawrence Joseph does not make any specific new predictions, but it reviews a number of 2012 predictions made by various sources, and presents arguments for the possible existence of dangerous positive feedback loops involving solar storms, Earth's magnetic field, cosmic rays, hurricanes, global warming, earthquakes, and supervolcanoes that may be on the verge of erupting.

Other prophecies and apocalyptic writings and hypotheses for this year include:

* Terence McKenna's numerological novelty theory suggests a point of singularity in which humankind will go through a great shift in consciousness.
* Some proponents of a peak oil catastrophe place major events in 2012. Richard C. Duncan's book The Peak of World Oil Production and the Road To The Olduvai Gorge claims that the Olduvai cliff will begin and permanent blackouts will occur worldwide. Several studies predict a peak in oil production in or around 2012.[
So what do you think is going to happen?
The End of the World
A great Change
Nothing at all.
And if you think the world will be ending, what will you be doing?
(too bad it doesn't fall at the end of April!)
And oh yeah, the date when all this is suppose to happen is December the 21st, 2012

[superfiction]

And if you think the world will be ending, what will you be doing?


the hottest chick i can find

actually i change my answer to 2 chicks at the same time

[luckyface]

I think the world is going to end, much like it did in 2000. Y2K was the scariest shit I have ever seen.

[Mr.Nipples]

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[g0k1ngsg0]

planet x is an interesting theory, out of all the end of the world scenarios this one scares me most.

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[g0k1ngsg0]

_0o4Qb_d7Io

that is by far the best directing I've ever seen in a cult video. :thu
+2 for use of unnecessary zooms.

[unitedwestand]

yes, Dr. Strangelove!

[fikus222]

The world has been ending forever...maybe the Mayans should double check their Math...oh wait, they seem to be suffering from technical difficulties resulting from a case of smallpox and bullet holes.

[Cpt. Funkaho]

That Planet X video was interesting until it shot itself in the foot. By simple math, if the planet was 50 billion miles away in 1983 and 7-ish billion away in 1992, that would mean that it traveled 43 billion miles in 9 years. Also, it would be speeding up as it got closer to the sun, as the gravitational force between the two objects would be increasing geometrically.

Therefore, since it's now 16 years after 1992, Planet X would have already done its slingshot around the sun and be well over 50 billion miles away again.

I like my conspiracy theories to have fewer obvious holes.

[Cpt. Funkaho]

Also, I just did some reading, and apparently after Voyager 2 did a flyby of Neptune in 1989, they were able to obtain a more precise mass for the planet, which accounted for the perceived discrepancy in its orbit.

[captncrzy]

Edgar Casey had an interesting prophecy - that the earth's poles will shift in December of 2012. He is widely considered one of the most accurate psychics that ever lived.

Coincidentally, there is some cosmic happening in December of 2012-the earth will be aligned with the sun and something else or something (don't remember the facts right now)-which could cause a shift in poles.

The poles have shifted before-approximately 25,000 years ago, it has been hypothesized that what is now the north pole used to be around the equator.

[menikmati]

all this stuff is bogus....I like my conspiracy theories, but this stuff is just plain stupid.

[menikmati]

you're gonna tell me there's some brown dwarf in our solar system and we don't know about it? TEV

[menikmati]

Edgar Casey had an interesting prophecy - that the earth's poles will shift in December of 2012. He is widely considered one of the most accurate psychics that ever lived.

Coincidentally, there is some cosmic happening in December of 2012-the earth will be aligned with the sun and something else or something (don't remember the facts right now)-which could cause a shift in poles.

The poles have shifted before-approximately 25,000 years ago, it has been hypothesized that what is now the north pole used to be around the equator.

The sun will be shifting it's own magnetic poles, not Earth.

[BeHereNOW]

this means no more coachella in 2013?
imagine the lineup for 2012!

[unitedwestand]

Radiohead WILL be there

[menikmati]

wasn't the world supposed to have ended on 6-6-06? All the planes in the sky were to stop working and fall straight down. Remember?

[chairmenmeow47]

i thought planet x was supposed to happen in like 2003, but of course it never did.

2012 does not have to mean the end of the world, it could just mean a time of change. i saw a tv special on this and it made for entertaining television. that's about it. there' no point in speculating our last days. our last day could be anytime. the world as we know it could end tomorrow, 2012 or in 5 million years, act accordingly :)

[whynotsmile99]

If the world seriously does end in 2012, I hope it's right during David Bowie's encore at Coachella. Sunday night, major sing a long to Space Oddity and then the sky turns blood red and we all vaporize.

Would be fucking epic no doubt

[menikmati]

if i were you guys, i'd be more worried about 2029 than 2012.

[fatbastard]

Quetzalcoatl was a ladies man.

http://movies.go.com/images/movies/l/ladiesman_2000.jpg

[Young blood]

Nothing is going to happen. The Mayans are just going to have to go to down Spencers at the mall and pick up a new Hello Mayan Kitty Calender.

[bug on your lip]

all this stuff is bogus....I like my conspiracy theories, but this stuff is just plain stupid.


Ohhh Menik

[bug on your lip]

first of all unitedwestand, i was thinking of starting this thread at the same exact time you did.... that freaks mah boots

Mayan were the best time-keepers the world has ever seen...
remember a couple days ago..Feb 29... remember that? that is like our bastard child...proves how much we suck at keeping time
respect the Mayan calendar foos

but there is alot to be scared of...

so what happens on Dec.21, 2012 ??
2 things:

1) the Earth wobbles.. this is called the precessional cycle. Each cycle lasts 25,800 years. Current cycle will end in 2012... what will happen then?
start guessing

2) Galactic Alignment... on Dec. 21, 2012 our sun will align perfectly with the center of the Milky Way galaxy...

now why is the center of the Milky Way galaxy freaky?
well, 1st of all don't give scientists too much credit.... in principle they don't "get" 98% of our universe... just a couple examples:
-- what is Dark Matter? know one knows for sure
-- why do space probes get knocked out of their orbit by electromagnetic disturbences
link: http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=270

But the thing that really freaks me is what may be sitting at the middle of the Milky Way....
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/11/1102_051102_black_hole.html

[Melanie.Dawn]

That Planet X video was interesting until it shot itself in the foot. By simple math, if the planet was 50 billion miles away in 1983 and 7-ish billion away in 1992, that would mean that it traveled 43 billion miles in 9 years. Also, it would be speeding up as it got closer to the sun, as the gravitational force between the two objects would be increasing geometrically.

Therefore, since it's now 16 years after 1992, Planet X would have already done its slingshot around the sun and be well over 50 billion miles away again.

I like my conspiracy theories to have fewer obvious holes.

And here I was getting all worked up. yay for you actually thinking.

Besides my close call with the planet x videos, this all seems about as reliable as ... Scientology.

[Young blood]

I heard we will all be sucked into CERN's Large Hadron Collider, as micro black holes suddenly colpase upon themselves. We will see the Higgs boson, the god particle moments before we all sucked up into non existence. Thats just what I heard from my cousin that knows some Swedish dude.

[thelastgreatman]

I wouldn't be surprised if 2012 is kinda apocalyptic, but because of people. Not so much meteors and Mayans.

[menikmati]

are you talking about this bug?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession_%28astronomy%29

If I read that correctly, it just seems the top pole of Earth moves ever so slighty each year, completing a 360 degree cycle every 25,000 years or so. Which means it doesn't just start to wobble out of control. It's reaching it's starting point again, and will begin to shift 1 degree every 70 years or so again.

Which again, proves all this 2012 stuff as bullshit.

[bug on your lip]

i never said it would wobble out of control

[chairmenmeow47]

are you talking about this bug?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession_%28astronomy%29

If I read that correctly, it just seems the top pole of Earth moves ever so slighty each year, completing a 360 degree cycle every 25,000 years or so. Which means it doesn't just start to wobble out of control. It's reaching it's starting point again, and will begin to shift 1 degree every 70 years or so again.

Which again, proves all this 2012 stuff as bullshit.

i was going to post this also. it's not like poles drastically flip around in a split second. astrological phenomenon generally take a VERY long time in relation to our life spans.

[menikmati]

And here I was getting all worked up. yay for you actually thinking.

Besides my close call with the planet x videos, this all seems about as reliable as ... Scientology.

All that planet x stuff is bogus, there is nothing to worry about. That "object" found by the infrared satellite back in 1983 or whatever? NASA already proved the object(s) were distant galaxies. And all those irregularities in the orbits of Neptune and Uranus and whatever, they've been disproved in more recent years with more accurate tests/readings.

I mean really, if there was a LARGE object outside of Neptune/Pluto's orbit, and it was orbiting the Sun, don't you think we would of found it by now? We've discovered MANY smaller objects, billions of miles away and past Pluto, all of which are orbiting the Sun within the Kupier belt and beyond...if we could find and classify those, surely we could find another large planet if there was one, but the thing is, there isn't one.

And the whole Brown Dwarf thing? Again, there's gonna be one of those in our solar system and we don't know about it? Please...

[menikmati]

i never said it would wobble out of control


1) the Earth wobbles.. this is called the precessional cycle. Each cycle lasts 25,800 years. Current cycle will end in 2012... what will happen then?
start guessing

What is that implying? It's like saying no one has any clue what's gonna happen. Yet we do, and it won't be any "wobbling".

[bug on your lip]

1st... the Mayan empire only lasted for about 700 years...
how the fukk did they know about cycles that last 26,000 years !!!! no one knows

2nd.... if you look read into Mayan creation, they say there is a DARK RIFT at the center of the universe that will bring evil to humankind
now it didn't take long for people to draw the connection to the Dark Rift and the Black Hole that may be sitting at the middle of our galaxy...

3rd...one of the Mayan codices does seem to show how Dec. 21, 2012 will end
it will end in flood... here is the pic:

http://www.famsi.org/research/graz/dresdensis/images/page74.jpg

[menikmati]

1st... the Mayan empire only lasted for about 700 years...
how the fukk did they know about cycles that last 26,000 years !!!! no one knows

It's called mathematics. You take one measurement, and you use math to figure out the rest.

[thomas morejunk]

Hehe, that pic reminds me of Dig Dug.

I always thought the swapping of poles would affect magnetic media/magnets in general. Which would be a significant problem these days. Is that incorrect?

[Young blood]

lol

http://2012forum.com/forum/

[bug on your lip]

here is a newstory just 2 fukkin days old saying NASA don't know what the fukk is out there

digest


http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080229-spacecraft-anomaly.html

NASA Baffled by Unexplained Force Acting on Space Probes

Mysteriously, four spacecraft that flew past the Earth have each displayed unexpected anomalies in their motions.

These newfound enigmas join the so-called "Pioneer anomaly" as hints that unexplained forces may appear to act on spacecraft.

A decade ago, after rigorous analyses, anomalies were seen with the identical Pioneer 10 and 11 spacecraft as they hurtled out of the solar system. Both seemed to experience a tiny but unexplained constant acceleration toward the sun.

A host of explanations have been bandied about for the Pioneer anomaly. At times these are rooted in conventional science — perhaps leaks from the spacecraft have affected their trajectories. At times these are rooted in more speculative physics — maybe the law of gravity itself needs to be modified.

Now Jet Propulsion Laboratory astronomer John Anderson and his colleagues — who originally helped uncover the Pioneer anomaly — have discovered that four spacecraft each raced either a tiny bit faster or slower than expected when they flew past the Earth en route to other parts of the solar system.

'Humble and perplexed'

The researchers looked at five deep-space probes — Galileo to Jupiter, the NEAR mission to the asteroid Eros, the Rosetta probe to a comet, Cassini to Saturn, and the MESSENGER craft to Mercury. Each spacecraft flew past the our planet to either gain or lose orbital energy in their quests to reach their eventual targets. (Galileo made two flybys.)

In five of the six flybys, the scientists have confirmed anomalies.

continued.............

[bug on your lip]

It's called mathematics. You take one measurement, and you use math to figure out the rest.

yeah... we figured out Feb 29 real good


math... as easy as it looks, right Menik ?

[menikmati]

I think you need to understand why we have a Feb, 29. It's because we measure our days differently than what they did. Days aren't exactly 24 hours long, but we use 24 hours as our basis for whatever reason (simplicity maybe), but because 24 hours is an inaccurate reading, we have to fix that every 4 years by having an extra day in the year to make up for the lost time.

[menikmati]

here is a newstory just 2 fukkin days old saying NASA don't know what the fukk is out there

digest


http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080229-spacecraft-anomaly.html

NASA Baffled by Unexplained Force Acting on Space Probes

Mysteriously, four spacecraft that flew past the Earth have each displayed unexpected anomalies in their motions.

These newfound enigmas join the so-called "Pioneer anomaly" as hints that unexplained forces may appear to act on spacecraft.

A decade ago, after rigorous analyses, anomalies were seen with the identical Pioneer 10 and 11 spacecraft as they hurtled out of the solar system. Both seemed to experience a tiny but unexplained constant acceleration toward the sun.

A host of explanations have been bandied about for the Pioneer anomaly. At times these are rooted in conventional science — perhaps leaks from the spacecraft have affected their trajectories. At times these are rooted in more speculative physics — maybe the law of gravity itself needs to be modified.

Now Jet Propulsion Laboratory astronomer John Anderson and his colleagues — who originally helped uncover the Pioneer anomaly — have discovered that four spacecraft each raced either a tiny bit faster or slower than expected when they flew past the Earth en route to other parts of the solar system.

'Humble and perplexed'

The researchers looked at five deep-space probes — Galileo to Jupiter, the NEAR mission to the asteroid Eros, the Rosetta probe to a comet, Cassini to Saturn, and the MESSENGER craft to Mercury. Each spacecraft flew past the our planet to either gain or lose orbital energy in their quests to reach their eventual targets. (Galileo made two flybys.)

In five of the six flybys, the scientists have confirmed anomalies.

continued.............

and what is this is trying to say? That satellites flying past Earth pick up speed mysteriously en route to their destinations? Hmm, perhaps it's related to the satellite's position in regards to Earth's gravitational pull? I think that could speed up or slow down any object, depending on exactly where it is.

[bug on your lip]

because 24 hours is an inaccurate reading, we have to fix that every 4 years by having an extra day in the year to make up for the lost time.


yeah math can be funny like that

[Melanie.Dawn]

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I dont know why it is posting like this but whatever.

[bug on your lip]

and what is this is trying to say? That satellites flying past Earth pick up speed mysteriously en route to their destinations? Hmm, perhaps it's related to the satellite's position in regards to Earth's gravitational pull? I think that could speed up or slow down any object, depending on exactly where it is.

simple point...

we don't understand some electromagnetic forces in our own friggin solar system...hence the quote maybe the law of gravity itself needs to be modified.


we don't understand what Dark Matter is... and yet it comprises over 90% of our known universe

so don't be so quick to just discount shit

[hypervera]

yeah math can be funny like that

menikmati is right

[bug on your lip]

math isn't for everybody



agreed

[menikmati]

simple point...

we don't understand some electromagnetic forces in our own friggin solar system...hence the quote maybe the law of gravity itself needs to be modified.


we don't understand what Dark Matter is... and yet it comprises over 90% of our known universe

so don't be so quick to just discount shit

right, but modifying the LAW OF GRAVITY? Based on what? 4 satellite probes that experienced some shift in speed when passing by Earth? Forget the fact that that shift in speed could of been related to the positioning of the craft, or that something physical may have occurred on the craft causing it to shift it's own path, or something similar....and forget about the hundreds of other crafts that seem to never had a problem when passing/orbiting Earth. Forget all that, let's just modify the law of gravity?

I get what you're saying, but to use that example of there being unknown forces out there which needs to change our entire thinking, I think that is an example of being quick to discount shit.

[bug on your lip]

did the law of gravity have unknowns ?

[rage patton]

if i were you guys, i'd be more worried about 2029 than 2012.

Whats going to happen in 2029?

[thelastgreatman]

The law of gravity is a complete unknown. It's not really a law, it's a relationship. There was a huge argument about this in another thread once that I started. I'm staying away.

[Hannahrain]

There's always a huge argument in another thread that you started. You're not telling us anything.

[thelastgreatman]

I know. Why do you people have to always cause trouble? =)




I'm actually getting to the point where I'm exhausted from it. I think I'm going to become... humble. Yeah. That sounds doable.

[bug on your lip]

The law of gravity is a complete unknown. It's not really a law, it's a relationship. There was a huge argument about this in another thread once that I started. I'm staying away.


hahaha
gravity divides us



i have some peeps at NASA...
i'm currently bouncing some ideas off them about proposed affects of a central galactic black hole on individual solar systems

[miscorrections]

This thread got The Unicorns: 2014 stuck in my head.

[Hannahrain]

I'm actually getting to the point where I'm exhausted from it. I think I'm going to become... humble. Yeah. That sounds doable.

Let's test it. I want to know how strong your resolve really is.


I'm pretty sure that most movies are made in about the time it takes to watch them, and all the actors ad-lib. And heroin is cultivated from the same material used to make marshmallows. Oh and your avatar sucks. And MGMT is just a Rod Stewart cover band who are good at math.

[menikmati]

Whats going to happen in 2029?

On April 13, 2029 (A Friday no less), the asteroid 99942 Apophis is going to pass between the Earth and the Moon. It will be something like 18,500 miles from Earth (Moon is like 240,000 miles from Earth). Anyway, after it passes through, there is a slight chance it might pass through a 400km wide "keyhole", which if it does, Earths gravitiation pull will put the asteroid on a trajectory path which leads into a collision with the planet in 2036, again on April 13th...and according to info on Wiki and TV shows, has a "1 in 45,000 chance of hitting the Pacific Ocean or Denver, Colorado on Easter Sunday".

[Young blood]

SHIT YAH! Its cuz I have powah in the dark arts of gravity pullin.

[rage patton]

They can seriously measure that kind of stuff?

[bug on your lip]

..and according to info on Wiki and TV shows.


i win

[menikmati]

They can seriously measure that kind of stuff?

it's all math

[bug on your lip]

let's hug & all make fun of thelastgreatman again

[menikmati]

i win

except, that what I posted is facts and not assumptions and scare tatics of wobbling Earth's and mysterious black holes which may or may not exist at the center of our galaxy.

[Melanie.Dawn]

On April 13, 2029 (A Friday no less), the asteroid 99942 Apophis is going to pass between the Earth and the Moon. It will be something like 18,500 miles from Earth (Moon is like 240,000 miles from Earth). Anyway, after it passes through, there is a slight chance it might pass through a 400km wide "keyhole", which if it does, Earths gravitiation pull will put the asteroid on a trajectory path which leads into a collision with the planet in 2036, again on April 13th...and according to info on Wiki and TV shows, has a "1 in 45,000 chance of hitting the Pacific Ocean or Denver, Colorado on Easter Sunday".

April 13 is my birthday. Looks like I have something to look forward to!

[rage patton]

it's all math

I know its all math.... but still. Thats crazy. Do they also have a name for every single asteroid and commet they have found?

[Hannahrain]

except, that what I posted is facts and not assumptions and scare tatics of wobbling Earth's and mysterious black holes which may or may not exist at the center of our galaxy.

Menik, it's pretty much all assumption. Everything we know could be wrong. We all belong to science, not the other way around.

[menikmati]

I would think each object they find, yes they name them and keep track of them. Most names are just those weird numbers and whatever....only famous/major bodies are then properly named I think (like the recent "dwarf planets" of Ceres, Eris, Sedna etc..). Though can't you like purchase stars to be named after you?

[Hannahrain]

Though can't you like purchase stars to be named after you?

No. But you can purchase a certificate that says you did.

[menikmati]

Menik, it's pretty much all assumption. Everything we know could be wrong. We all belong to science, not the other way around.

Right but math doesn't lie. There's a difference in posting assumptions of what something may mean (anything can mean anything/something to anybody/everybody), and posting facts/proof based on math and measurements.

[bug on your lip]

except, that what I posted is facts and not assumptions and scare tatics of wobbling Earth's and mysterious black holes which may or may not exist at the center of our galaxy.

well the Earth does wobble...
my point was not to infer on a great change in our axis but to give MAD PROPS to a 26,000 cycle the Mayans were able to identify...


if there is no black hole fine.... on Dec.22 2012 lastgreatman will still be poppin oxycotin while letting what's left of his dignity atrophy watching La Pequeña Prohibida

if there is a black hole...... hoo daddy

[Melanie.Dawn]

"Physics makes us all it's bitches"

[Hannahrain]

Right but math doesn't lie. There's a difference in posting assumptions of what something may mean (anything can mean anything/something to anybody/everybody), and posting facts/proof based on math and measurements.

Math itself doesn't lie, but using math to calculate the way the universe is going to work is putting a lot of faith in that the universe works exactly the way we think it does. It doesn't matter if your calculations are correct if something doesn't follow them.

[menikmati]

yes, the Mayans do deserve props for that for sure.

[thelastgreatman]

Don't assume math can't lie. They proved it's impossible for airplanes to fly, y'know.

[Young blood]

Math itself doesn't lie, but using math to calculate the way the universe is going to work is putting a lot of faith in that the universe works exactly the way we think it does. It doesn't matter if your calculations are correct if something doesn't follow them.

Wouldn't that just mean your calculations were wrong?

[bug on your lip]

they've proved that you can force a 6 3/4 sized hat on Supre's massive 26 inch noggin

[thelastgreatman]

Also, I remember the story about calculating trajectory for asteroids being that we're not capable of predicting whether or not they'd hit Earth with any true accuracy until, like, a matter of days before it would happen. Where is this 2029 asteroid thing coming from, dude? Don't have so much faith.

We're talking about measurements calculated purely by parallax at best.

[chairmenmeow47]

Math itself doesn't lie, but using math to calculate the way the universe is going to work is putting a lot of faith in that the universe works exactly the way we think it does. It doesn't matter if your calculations are correct if something doesn't follow them.

yeah, but it's a good start at trying to figure out the universe. of course many mathematical and scientific theories have been proven wrong, but i'd rather have a gazillion scientists testing and trying these theories than everyone just taking a guess as to what's out there. or worse, relying on ancient religious texts or something.

it is important for scientists to remember that these are all theories and new evidence can prove them wrong. a true scientist would shake the hand of one who could disprove him with new scientific findings.

[menikmati]

Math itself doesn't lie, but using math to calculate the way the universe is going to work is putting a lot of faith in that the universe works exactly the way we think it does. It doesn't matter if your calculations are correct if something doesn't follow them.

Well so far, our math compared with our universe/galaxy/solar system seems to be doing pretty good, as it's successfully measured/predicted orbits of planets/objects, the "wobbling" of poles on planets and stars, the lifespans of stars, just for a few examples.

[Hannahrain]

Yes. I understand that. But "doing pretty well up to this point" isn't the same as "foolproof". Folks need to remember that.

[chairmenmeow47]

Well so far, our math compared with our universe/galaxy/solar system seems to be doing pretty good, as it's successfully measured/predicted orbits of planets/objects, the "wobbling" of poles on planets and stars, the lifespans of stars, just for a few examples.

not to mention that we have been able to send people into space using SLIDE RULES.

http://ivy.aholic.us/gallery/albums/internet-pics/SlideRule.sized.jpg

[bug on your lip]

Also, I remember the story about calculating trajectory for asteroids being that we're not capable of predicting whether or not they'd hit Earth with any true accuracy until, like, a matter of days before it would happen. Where is this 2029 asteroid thing coming from, dude? Don't have so much faith.

We're talking about measurements calculated purely by parallax at best.

but i'm sure Menik has figured that even tho NASA has admitted there are unexplained forces altering the orbits of spacecraft that there is no way these same forces mess with the trajectorys of asteroids...
that would be way too mathy and shit

[thelastgreatman]

Erik, sorry, but you're being fed horseshit dude. Where did you pull this 11 year advanced prediction of an asteroid's path from? C'mon man.

[bug on your lip]

Well so far, our math compared with our universe/galaxy/solar system seems to be doing pretty good, as it's successfully measured/predicted orbits of planets/objects, the "wobbling" of poles on planets and stars, the lifespans of stars, just for a few examples.

Mayans already knew this shit

but somehow 2012 is bogus...

too much of a jump

[thelastgreatman]

I find it interesting that they say the Mayans had somehow figured out methods of construction that produced temples where the brickwork is so perfect you can't even slide a sheet of paper into any of the cracks between bricks.

[menikmati]

2012 is bullshit, I thought we covered that already?

[thelastgreatman]

Erik, I personally believe that somewhere around 3 billion people are gonna die in a relatively short span of time between now and, say, 2020 at the latest. I don't really care whether it's 2012 specifically and I don't buy that they're accurately deciphering Mayan calendars thousands of years into advance.

[bug on your lip]

what's bullshit ?

Mayans have successfully predicted many cyclical events


something is coming.



the only question is what

[menikmati]

and I never said an asteroid is colliding into the Earth, I'm just providing the latest info/data that puts a current trajectory of the object to pass by earth in 2029, with a possibility if everything falls into place, that another near hit (or a hit) could occur in 2036. Do I think the asteroid will hit? No.

[Mr.Nipples]

o1V4vDMHVQc

[thelastgreatman]

I agree with Bug on that. But space rocks... nah. It'll be our doing.

And there is something to the idea that if you could establish the cycles in a small span of time you might get an accurate projection of how they'll parabola out forever. Even if it happens in 2014, the Mayans will be pretty fucking accurate for Mexicans.

[menikmati]

what's bullshit ?

Mayans have successfully predicted many cyclical events


something is coming.



the only question is what

See, that's exactly where all the bullshit is. WHAT is it? What is this great event you're referring to? The world is gonna end in 2012? Why? Some large object, that oh I don't know, top scientists of today have no knowledge of? It's horseshit.

[Melanie.Dawn]

Everyone thinks 2012 is true because it hasn't happened yet. The earth supposedly ended 100 times over already if we believed all the predictions, religions, mysterious past cultures... etc. I think people want to believe too much in something... anything... instead of just accepting life as LIFE. No one is going to predict the end until you can see the comet out your window. Get over it.

[thelastgreatman]

Population pressure forces conflict for resources. Population needs to be reset from time to time.

[thelastgreatman]

2012 sounds like a good election for there to be massive civil unrest and war. Yup.

[Hannahrain]

Guys, I'm really freaked out about Y3K. Does anyone have some multitools and water purification pellets they can spare?

[menikmati]

The Earth will end (meaning the whole planet itself, not just population/extinction) when either A) A large asteroid destroys it or B) the Sun eventually explodes (which it will billions of years from now), taking the whole solar system away with it.

[thelastgreatman]

World population would be 12 billion people by 2058.


If population pressure forces war... and we achieve global population pressure for the first time in history... hmm...

[Young blood]

Guys, I'm really freaked out about Y3K. Does anyone have some multitools and water purification pellets they can spare?

Dear Hannah,

http://www.qsleeper.com/quantum.html

its alllll good.

[menikmati]

there will be a great war over water

[thelastgreatman]

... please explain why it would be water and not food.

[Hannahrain]

Most of us don't really need to worry about it. Chances are Randy will OD before anything terrible happens, I'll probably be hit by a bus walking home from work in the dark, and Bug never existed anyway. Menik, though. Start figuring shit out, Menik.

[Young blood]

there will be a great war over water

This I agree with.

[Hannahrain]

Valarie, I would have included you but you weren't in this thread yet when I typed that up. I wasn't trying to snub.

[thelastgreatman]

I'm intrigued. What's the premise, fellas? We already have food shortage imminent in the most densely populated parts of the world. Where does water go?

[Melanie.Dawn]

World population would be 12 billion people by 2058.


If population pressure forces war... and we achieve global population pressure for the first time in history... hmm...

That is to say if you expect everything to stay the same. I don't think people are as stupid as a whole as we all think. I mean. Look at recycling. Yeah I'm sure a lot of you think it's bullshit and too late and means nothing... but people, on the whole of the earth, are realizing that something needs to change... and my God, people are changing it. Who's to say that can't happen with people becoming more responsible in having children... who's to say that in some years everyone will only want one kid. I mean, I'm not having kids... and I don't feel bad about it because I know it's better for everyone else on the planet, and that fact even influences me a little to not even think about it. Maybe in some time, it will be the majority of people who feel the same. To say that we are headed for certain doom is... very closed minded. I like to think we actually can change things. People are getting smarter.

[Hannahrain]

You can grow food. You can't grow water.

[menikmati]

and then Menik what happens if the sun burns out will we die all at once or is it going to hurt

The light from the sun takes 8 minutes to reach us (so we the sun as it was 8 minutes ago)...but when the sun eventually explodes, it will be in the phase of a supernova by then (meaning it would of have expanded, possibly already devowering the inner planets). But let's just say the sun was to explode how it is now...we would be dead before we knew the sun was even thinking about exploding. But that's like billions of years away so don't worry, though if you could live forever, well hopefully you would of switched solar systems/galaxies by then.

[Melanie.Dawn]

there will be a great war over water

I used to think this but I was watching daily planet and they showed some thing that converts salt water to fresh water. I'm not so worried anymore.

[Young blood]

I'm intrigued. What's the premise, fellas? We already have food shortage imminent in the most densely populated parts of the world. Where does water go?

Assholes that thinks it cool to live in Arizona and Nevada.

[thelastgreatman]

That is to say if you expect everything to stay the same. I don't think people are as stupid as a whole as we all think. I mean. Look at recycling. Yeah I'm sure a lot of you think it's bullshit and too late and means nothing... but people, on the whole of the earth, are realizing that something needs to change... and my God, people are changing it. Who's to say that can't happen with people becoming more responsible in having children... who's to say that in some years everyone will only want one kid. I mean, I'm not having kids... and I don't feel bad about it because I know it's better for everyone else on the planet, and that fact even influences me a little to not even think about it. Maybe in some time, it will be the majority of people who feel the same. To say that we are headed for certain doom is... very closed minded. I like to think we actually can change things. People are getting smarter.

Human population has doubled every fifty years consistently going back to The Black Plague. Humans are animals, we are a collective of reproducing organisms. We do save ourselves--by dying in massive numbers.


You can grow food. You can't grow water.

Why can't you? Mix 2 parts hydrogen and one part oxygen in a bowl. Chill. Serve.

[chairmenmeow47]

there will be a great war over water

http://ivy.aholic.us/gallery/albums/internet-pics/tank_girl.jpg

[unitedwestand]

in all cases,
everyone should have their towels

[Young blood]

That is to say if you expect everything to stay the same. I don't think people are as stupid as a whole as we all think. I mean. Look at recycling. Yeah I'm sure a lot of you think it's bullshit and too late and means nothing... but people, on the whole of the earth, are realizing that something needs to change... and my God, people are changing it. Who's to say that can't happen with people becoming more responsible in having children... who's to say that in some years everyone will only want one kid. I mean, I'm not having kids... and I don't feel bad about it because I know it's better for everyone else on the planet, and that fact even influences me a little to not even think about it. Maybe in some time, it will be the majority of people who feel the same. To say that we are headed for certain doom is... very closed minded. I like to think we actually can change things. People are getting smarter.

You are the smartest person alive. Thank you for sharing your infinite wisdom with the peons such as myself.

[menikmati]

you can convert pee into water if needed

[Melanie.Dawn]

Human population has doubled every fifty years consistently going back to The Black Plague. Humans are animals, we are a collective of reproducing organisms. We do save ourselves--by dying in massive numbers.



Why can't you? Mix 2 parts hydrogen and one part oxygen in a bowl. Chill. Serve.

yes but there has never been the same need to not have as many children, so why would anyone worry about it before?

[Hannahrain]

covert pee

I didn't even notice it.

[GoEastYoungMan]

The Earth will end (meaning the whole planet itself, not just population/extinction) when either A) A large asteroid destroys it or B) the Sun eventually explodes (which it will billions of years from now), taking the whole solar system away with it.

A common misconception, Sol doesn't actually have enough mass to explode in supernova. In about 5-6 billion years, it will enter a red giant phase, its outer layers expanding as the hydrogen fuel in the core is consumed and the core contracts and heats up. While it is likely that the expansion of the outer layers of the Sun will reach the current position of Earth's orbit, recent research suggests that mass lost from the Sun earlier in its red giant phase will cause the Earth's orbit to move further out, preventing it from being engulfed. However, Earth's water will be boiled away and most of its atmosphere will escape into space. The increase in solar temperatures over this period is sufficient that by about 900 million years into the future, the surface of the Earth will become too hot for the survival of life as we know it.

Even if all the concern of the supermassive black hole at Saggitarius A ends up being hokkum, Earth is still doomed. So, you know, party on.

[menikmati]

Why can't you? Mix 2 parts hydrogen and one part oxygen in a bowl. Chill. Serve.

Does hydrogen and oxygen grow on trees?

[Melanie.Dawn]

You are the smartest person alive. Thank you for sharing your infinite wisdom with the peons such as myself.

I'm starting to think you are a peon. I didn't at first, but your doing a good job of putting the idea in my head.

[mob roulette]

A culture afraid of death and dying and obsessed with its own entertainment and pleasure seeking above all else will quite naturally have some sort of interest in apocalyptic thinking. They just quite obviously will. Someone needs to come clean the house is the thinking here, I feel.

[Hannahrain]

Mob's getting vigilante. I smell a cult.

[mob roulette]

Also it will be rats. Great giant citrus sucking rats.

[thelastgreatman]

Having fewer children would make our specific groups within the population weaker and we would lose out on the competition for resources. Groups that are smart enough to be responsible and restrict their birthrate will merely be proportionally cut out of essential needs by competing groups with faster growing populations.

The population expansion is consistent throughout the species, but there is flux within separate sectors of the species.

[Melanie.Dawn]

Having fewer children would make our specific groups within the population weaker and we would lose out on the competition for resources. Groups that are smart enough to be responsible and restrict their birthrate will merely be proportionally cut out of essential needs by competing groups with faster growing populations.

The population expansion is consistent throughout the species, but there is flux within separate sectors of the species.

oh, I wasn't aware.

[thelastgreatman]

Does hydrogen and oxygen grow on trees?

... this is funny. I hope it was intended to be.

[thelastgreatman]

oh, I wasn't aware.

Statistics gets pretty fascinating when it gets into broad scope trends throughout the ecosystem.

[Young blood]

I'm starting to think you are a peon. I didn't at first, but your doing a good job of putting the idea in my head.


and I don't feel bad about it because I know it's better for everyone else on the planet, and that fact even influences me a little to not even think about it. Maybe in some time, it will be the majority of people who feel the same

....

[menikmati]

you guys how are we still talking about this when Patrick Swayze has only 5 weeks to live?

because according to some, we only have a little over 4 years to live

[Hannahrain]

God damnit. I have to go to work. I'm going to miss you, thread. If the apocalypse happens while I'm gone, I want you all to know that I liked some of you some of the time.

[Mr.Nipples]

michael bay was right...

[gratytrainridesagain]

That is to say if you expect everything to stay the same. I don't think people are as stupid as a whole as we all think. I mean. Look at recycling. Yeah I'm sure a lot of you think it's bullshit and too late and means nothing... but people, on the whole of the earth, are realizing that something needs to change... and my God, people are changing it. Who's to say that can't happen with people becoming more responsible in having children... who's to say that in some years everyone will only want one kid. I mean, I'm not having kids... and I don't feel bad about it because I know it's better for everyone else on the planet, and that fact even influences me a little to not even think about it. Maybe in some time, it will be the majority of people who feel the same. To say that we are headed for certain doom is... very closed minded. I like to think we actually can change things. People are getting smarter.

This made me think of Idiocracy

[Young blood]

you guys how are we still talking about this when Patrick Swayze has only 5 weeks to live?

What happen to swayzer?

[menikmati]

michael bay was right...

hahaha

[Hannahrain]

Quick, someone write Dirty Dancing 3.

Maybe 2 1/2? I don't really know how to interpret Havana Nights.

[Young blood]

NOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo! His rap career was just blossoming!

[miscorrections]

I hope it's a lie. And coming from The National Enquirer, it probably is.

[mob roulette]

Road House is certainly a singular achievement.

[Hannahrain]

Why are you talking like a really specific fortune cookie?

[GoEastYoungMan]

in all cases,
everyone should have their towels


And remember, 'Don't Panic'

[full on idle]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/static.onmylist.com/list_item_images/33199/Patrick_Swayze_list_view.jpg
I wrote a haiku
For Mr. Patrick Swayze
You are reading it.

[menikmati]

hehehe

[Melanie.Dawn]

That's a pretty bold statment by the enquirer, I mean... what will happen if in 5 weeks he's not dead?

... they will have to kill him.

[Young blood]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/static.onmylist.com/list_item_images/33199/Patrick_Swayze_list_view.jpg
I wrote a haiku
For Mr. Patrick Swayze
You are reading it.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh103/benwinge/swayze.jpg

[Young blood]

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n24/terr-bo/Terr-bo%20Part%202/Swayze.jpg


sorry im done.

[mob roulette]

And there’s going to be too much water. Not too little. That’s a fact. Build arks. Solar-powered arks.

[luckyface]

http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2008/03/PATRCK%201.jpg

http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2008/03/patrick%205.jpg

All our water problems would be solved if we could efficiently and cheaply convert ocean water into drinking water. Since the oceans are rising, what better way to reduce them by drinking them?

[mob roulette]

And rats. Giant Swayze corpse sucking rats.

[luckyface]

And there’s going to be too much water. Not too little. That’s a fact. Build arks. Solar-powered arks.

http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2008/03/patrick%2015.jpg

[Hannahrain]

I was the same way at the end of whatever that movie with Angelina Jolie was where the crazy guy told her she was going to die.

[Hannahrain]

Ok, really going now.

[ruetheday]

gay

[Blinken]

I got mad at the end of Evan Almighty when everyone didn't die.

Glad i didn't see that movie. That would have been the only redeeming value, watching everyone drown.

[theburiedlife]

On April 13, 2029 (A Friday no less), the asteroid 99942 Apophis is going to pass between the Earth and the Moon. It will be something like 18,500 miles from Earth (Moon is like 240,000 miles from Earth). Anyway, after it passes through, there is a slight chance it might pass through a 400km wide "keyhole", which if it does, Earths gravitiation pull will put the asteroid on a trajectory path which leads into a collision with the planet in 2036, again on April 13th...and according to info on Wiki and TV shows, has a "1 in 45,000 chance of hitting the Pacific Ocean or Denver, Colorado on Easter Sunday".

Erik, that's considering that we do not use a gravitational tractor to pull the stadium-sized meteor away from Earth by said date. Also there is only a 14% chance it will even pass through that keyhole.

Anyone who buys into this Nostradamus or Mayan doomsday theory is a dunce.

[menikmati]

I never said it WAS going to do this or that, I'm just stating what's known at this point. I don't believe anything is going to happen. And nothing is going to happen in 2012 either (though there's more claim to the 2029/2036 thing than there is to 2012).

[theburiedlife]

You did state the facts, but there were a couple more to be said to put the danger of Apophis into perspective. 2012 has no claim other than superstition, while 2029/36 has actual visual evidence of potential collision.

[thelastgreatman]

That's just silly. If you really think the odds of us getting hit by an asteroid prediction in 2029 or 2036 are any higher than any other year, it's silly.

[PotVsKtl]

Yes, I also find applying statistical models to observed astronomical data to be silly.

[PotVsKtl]

I mean what the fuck?

[menikmati]

That's just silly. If you really think the odds of us getting hit by an asteroid prediction in 2029 or 2036 are any higher than any other year, it's silly.

not really....you think some asteroid is just gonna appear out of nowhere some year (or has a chance to)? I'm pretty sure scientist know about objects within a certain distance of earth, and know which ones pose a threat and which don't.

[menikmati]

blow it up and make baby asteroids!

[PotVsKtl]

Only if you're a big pussy face.

[Mr.Nipples]

IIII duuhhhhnnnnnnnnnnn whaaaaannnnnnnnnaaaa clllllozzze mmmmyyyyy eeeyyyyyezzzzz IIII duuuuuhhhhnnnn whaaaaannnaaaaa fffaaaallllllllll uhhhhhzlllllleeeeeppppp cuzz III mizzz eeewwweee baaayyybuuhhhhh
nnnnn I ddddooowwwwnnttt whaannnaa mizzz uhhhh thannnnggg

[menikmati]

can the baby asteroids hurt us

well if were in a position of a big asteroid coming at us, and whoever decided we should blow it up, it would create a bunch of little asteroids (or maybe a few big size ones depending on how the explosion goes), which would then rain down into the Earth's atmosphere and hit land/ocean/whatever. So take your pick, have a big one hit us or have a bunch of smaller ones hit us. At the speed they travel, it doesn't matter how big or small they are, if they're at least big enough to not burn up in the atmosphere upon entry and make contact/craters within the ground, there's gonna be damage.

Blowing up an asteroid would be a bad idea. The best way to defend against one is to alter it's course by gravitational pull.

[ruetheday]

What if use a giant catapult and throw a giant boulder at the asteroid to knock it off course?

[Young blood]

Why do we have to blow shit up? Why not just move to the left at let it go by? Fucking humans.

[PotVsKtl]

Here is a scientific experiment performed by NASA in 1976 to study the results of an asteroid explosion:

mhIoIlmHous

[Mr.Nipples]

oRGUqd_M6Mg

[thelastgreatman]

Why don't I have much faith in their ability to predict these things? Gee, I dunno. Maybe because every couple years there's a story about how an asteroid flew right past us and they didn't know it was coming until it was here.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060626_asteroid_close.html

Then there's the times they only realized an asteroid flew past us after it happened.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/asteroid_close_041222.html


Then there's them reporting odds variations from 1-in-40 to 1-in-40000 to none.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/asteroid_update_B_041227.html

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1455216.htm

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/asteroid_update_041227.html

[thelastgreatman]

well if were in a position of a big asteroid coming at us, and whoever decided we should blow it up, it would create a bunch of little asteroids (or maybe a few big size ones depending on how the explosion goes), which would then rain down into the Earth's atmosphere and hit land/ocean/whatever. So take your pick, have a big one hit us or have a bunch of smaller ones hit us. At the speed they travel, it doesn't matter how big or small they are, if they're at least big enough to not burn up in the atmosphere upon entry and make contact/craters within the ground, there's gonna be damage.

Blowing up an asteroid would be a bad idea. The best way to defend against one is to alter it's course by gravitational pull.

That's just not physically accurate, I'm afraid. Damage from the same mass impacting at the same speed in multiple pieces is significantly less than in one piece.

[bug on your lip]

Most of us don't really need to worry about it. Chances are Randy will OD before anything terrible happens, I'll probably be hit by a bus walking home from work in the dark, and Bug never existed anyway. Menik, though. Start figuring shit out, Menik.


+500

[menikmati]

those links don't tell me anything other than scientists already knew of the asteroid (in first link) and knew it wasn't on a course for Earth, and the second link tells that it just some small asteroid/meteor that would of done no damage at all if it entered Earth's atmosphere (probably would of burned up). Hundreds of objects enter into Earth each day/week/whatever...most burn up (ever hear of a shooting star?). So what's the worry?

And as for the 2029 asteroid, it's better to keep monitoring it and keep doing calculations on its course, than not to. Those links are old, dating back to 2004. As of now, latest readings still put it passing Earth on April 13, 2029...so there's nothing new.

[thelastgreatman]

Except that they can't agree on a prediction remotely. Must be some sweet math.


Asteroids fly by us numerous times a year. It's a big universe, guys.

[thomas morejunk]

What if we find WE'RE the disastrous object, on course for some happy, defenseless, fuzzy bunny planet? Should we throw rocks really hard at the ground in protest?

[thelastgreatman]

Big fucking helium balloons. Like BIG ones. Yeah, that'll work.

[Blinken]

Naw, fuck the bunny planet

[thelastgreatman]

Bunny Planet and the Moon both need a good smacking.

[mob roulette]

The only reason this hasn't jumped the shark yet is because nobody can fucking find it. Ben Hooflect was close though.

[thelastgreatman]

Ben Hooflect the asteroid?

[traviscanada]

Did you ever listen to Coast to Coast with Art Bell.... I used to when I would work till 1 in the morning, used to be pretty trippy sometimes.

[marooko]

Did you ever listen to Coast to Coast with Art Bell.... I used to when I would work till 1 in the morning, used to be pretty trippy sometimes.

that show rocks.

[Encaitare]

Did you ever listen to Coast to Coast with Art Bell.... I used to when I would work till 1 in the morning, used to be pretty trippy sometimes.

Ahhh, Art Bell. I used to stay up all night and listen to him when I was in elementary school on an old WWII area radio. I can't pick up any AM stations where I live now, but whenever I'm on a road trip I tune in.

And to shamelessly promote this band, cuz 2012 is such a fucking awesome song: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=138631304

[mountmccabe]

Here is a scientific experiment performed by NASA in 1976 to study the results of an asteroid explosion:

mhIoIlmHous

Lady: [making a simple observation] Here come the pieces [pause] Oww [camera shuts down]

That was amazing. I have no idea how they expected that to work.

[fatbastard]

http://www3.whdh.com/images/news_articles/389x205/061129_unabomber.jpg

[menikmati]

Lady: [making a simple observation] Here come the pieces [pause] Oww [camera shuts down]

That was amazing. I have no idea how they expected that to work.

Such simple times back then.

[menikmati]

I wasted 2 hours of my life last night watching History's channel new 2012 show about how the world is gonna end because Nostradamus says so.....what a bunch of bullshit. This and the bible codes are the two worst conspiracies ever. The entire show (and these theories in general) is all based on "what if", "possibly", and someone's own interpretation that is meant to cause panic in others. So so stupid. World is not ending in 2012. Ok bye.

[coldstart]

It might if Sarah Palin gets elected as President.

[menikmati]

ok i'll give you that...

[marooko]

I wasted 2 hours of my life last night watching History's channel new 2012 show about how the world is gonna end because Nostradamus says so.....what a bunch of bullshit. This and the bible codes are the two worst conspiracies ever. The entire show (and these theories in general) is all based on "what if", "possibly", and someone's own interpretation that is meant to cause panic in others. So so stupid. World is not ending in 2012. Ok bye.

i DVR'ed it. you saying i shouldnt watch it?

[menikmati]

Nah, watch if you want....I just don't believe any of it....they act like there is significance to all these events they describe, when there really isn't. It's all explained through science, but they never tell you that.

[Mr. Dylanja]

Terrence McKenna - timewave zero
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelty_theory

Mayan Calendar - 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_calendar




See you in the afterlife, Menik!

[indietron]

The movie looks like it might be pretty awesome

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[greghead]

Nah, watch if you want....I just don't believe any of it....they act like there is significance to all these events they describe, when there really isn't. It's all explained through science, but they never tell you that.

I couldn't stop laughing when they kept making a big deal about the illustrations in the "lost" Nostradamus book, trying to use the absence of writing in the "book of life" to prove that life will end. fucking stupid

[menikmati]

I couldn't stop laughing when they kept making a big deal about the illustrations in the "lost" Nostradamus book, trying to use the absence of writing in the "book of life" to prove that life will end. fucking stupid

yup, totally stupid

[humanoid]

I wasted 2 hours of my life last night watching History's channel new 2012 show about how the world is gonna end because Nostradamus says so.....what a bunch of bullshit. This and the bible codes are the two worst conspiracies ever. The entire show (and these theories in general) is all based on "what if", "possibly", and someone's own interpretation that is meant to cause panic in others. So so stupid. World is not ending in 2012. Ok bye.

the supposed bible codes are some of the silliest things I've ever seen in my entire life

[marooko]

lets make up an equation that finds words. awesome!!! it just so happens to tell the future as well.

[chairmenmeow47]

I wasted 2 hours of my life last night watching History's channel new 2012 show about how the world is gonna end because Nostradamus says so.....what a bunch of bullshit. This and the bible codes are the two worst conspiracies ever. The entire show (and these theories in general) is all based on "what if", "possibly", and someone's own interpretation that is meant to cause panic in others. So so stupid. World is not ending in 2012. Ok bye.

they have an entire show on this now? i've seen a few of their specials on this that were retarded enough. man, they are slacking.

[Mr. Dylanja]

Terrence McKenna - timewave zero
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelty_theory

Mayan Calendar - 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_calendar




Will someone tell me what you think about these please?

[higgybaby23]

Will someone tell me what you think about these please?

You are closest to the true meaning of 2012. Throw in Robert Anton Wilson's idea about information doubling (see Cosmic Trigger 1, 2 +3) and I think we have something.

On the Mayan tip, I am a Self Existing Red Earth. What's your sign?

[menikmati]

the supposed bible codes are some of the silliest things I've ever seen in my entire life

True, all it is algorithms set to read text and skip every letters 'x' number of times......then you just end up with a giant cross word, where there are obviously gonna be words you can find, circle and point out. Some guy took the text of Moby Dick and used the same algorithms and came up with similar results, and the bible code folks blew it off as coincidence, yet its not coincidence in the bible???? You can apply this concept to any text/book you want....it's all just fucking bullshit.

Plus these bible folks when put on the spot to predict the future, tell you that the codes can't tell you the future but only prove past events....yet when some event happens, they go back and plug in those words in the code/program and find a match and then say the bible predicted it. So lame.

[marooko]

same with the nos man.

[Mr. Dylanja]

The two links I gave aren't books or TV shows...

HiggyBaby, you're the man! I don't know what my sign is?

[allyjoy]

Look, if the world ends in 4 years, I'm going to be the unhappiest bit of energy in the universe anyone would ever feel. seriously.

[MissingPerson]

I dunno, I think I'd be alright with it.

[Mr. Dylanja]

:pulse MPeezy

(they wont outdo me in this thread ;) )

[marooko]

Look, if the world ends in 4 years, I'm going to be the unhappiest bit of energy in the universe anyone would ever feel. seriously.

just quit now.

[MissingPerson]

Way I see it, we'll have time for maybe two more Arcade Fire albums and maybe a Radiohead one. I'll have gotten my college degree by then, and nobody will be around to see me age to the point where I'm incapable of telling the difference between the doorbell/ telephone/ tv.

I might even get my hoverbike.

Even if it's only a half-assed apocalypse, a la Mad Max, I think I'd be pretty good at it, to be honest. I've played a lot of Fallout. You folks will all just be the anonymous corpses I'm raiding for clothes. The future is mine.

[allyjoy]

if it's a half-ass apocalypse, then yes, I'll be fine and dandy with it because I'm fairly certain I'd be a high up in the new "government," but if we end up annihilating the planet or causing the universe to implode... then I will be angry (although I don't think masses of energy have emotions, so maybe negative would be a better way of phrasing it).

[MissingPerson]

If Fallout's anything to go by, the oncoming global nuclear armageddon won't stop Irish people working in American pubs, so I think I'll still have a place in the world.

[allyjoy]

as long as there are humans, you have a place in the world, MP

[MissingPerson]

As your new supreme over...lady?

Overlady? Does that work? Is that a thing?

[Jenniehoo]

I wasted 2 hours of my life last night watching History's channel new 2012 show about how the world is gonna end because Nostradamus says so.....what a bunch of bullshit. This and the bible codes are the two worst conspiracies ever. The entire show (and these theories in general) is all based on "what if", "possibly", and someone's own interpretation that is meant to cause panic in others. So so stupid. World is not ending in 2012. Ok bye.

I WATCHED that yesterday because I'm sick. The history channel is desperate for ratings and they over-dramatize everything because the end of the world is one of the only things that gets people's attention.

I also watched a two hour special on the antichrist. They kept showing a stock picture of some white guy that looked like Brody Jenner with only the whites of his eyes showing. He was in an alley wearing a trench coat. I guess he's supposed to be the visualization of the antichrist. But from the way the scholars were setting it up, it sounded like The History Channel thinks it's Barack Obama.

[allyjoy]

As your new supreme over...lady?

Overlady? Does that work? Is that a thing?


it will be in the post apocalyptic world

[psychic friend]

y2k never forget

[menikmati]

2012 is the new Y2K, haha.

[MissingPerson]

Y2K was such a fucking let down.

I was hoping for Maximum Overdrive.

Fail, Armageddon. Fail.

[menikmati]

All these 2012 people are doing is just trying to scare you and write books which you'll buy and make them money.

[MissingPerson]

Just imagine how awesome we could make the last day of the world.

Endtimers are on to something.

[Jenniehoo]

People would loot. It wouldn't make any sense, but that's what they'd do. People are always looking for an excuse to loot.

Damn kids and their looting.

[MissingPerson]

I've seen people loot and it looks like great fun.

I want in on that looty action. I'd be good at it though, I'd wait for everybody else to rush in and overpower the lootees, gather up the good stuff, and then I'd loot that guy. See? Thinky looting.

[Cpt. Funkaho]

y2k never forget

what she said

[MissingPerson]

I've already forgotten it, I can only recall two-digit dates.

[Jenniehoo]

I've seen people loot and it looks like great fun.

I want in on that looty action. I'd be good at it though, I'd wait for everybody else to rush in and overpower the lootees, gather up the good stuff, and then I'd loot that guy. See? Thinky looting.

That's smart. That's the problem with looting. People don't think hard enough about it. It's all smash, carry a tv, light things on fire. Impractical. I like where you're going with this. I bet you would have been good at Supermarket Sweep.

[MissingPerson]

I would have kicked the shit out of Supermarket Sweep. Stick with me, we'll go places.

We'll have our own Thunderdome town in no time.

[MissingPerson]

So, here's a photo we can all learn from. I took it at a sectarian riot in Dublin a few years back.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/jill_valentine/Looter.jpg

Now, few things wrong here.

1. The very visible police officer.

2. The swarm of people taking photos on their phones, me included.

3. This is the most heavily CCTV'd street in Ireland anyway.

4. The fact that this is a shoe shop - this man is about to be arrested for stealing nearly a dozen right foot shoes, because, obviously they only display one of each pair.

Don't loot like this. It's stupid.

[Jenniehoo]

I feel embarrassed for that guy.

[Ardentbiscuit]

It's only going to make certain people more hysterical once the movie is released.

To me it looks like a cross between a video game and a second rate theme park ride.

The plot that is posted on IMDB is rather silly..

An epic adventure about a global cataclysm that brings an end to the world and tells of the heroic struggle of the survivors.


If it's the end of the world, exactly where will the heroic survivors be going?

[obzen]

Colorado.