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luckyface
03-03-2008, 10:18 PM
Ok let's carry the discussion from Upcoming Shows here.

Pretty simple poll here. Since rage patton is clearly insane and I am biased, let's have the good people of the Coachella board weigh in on the topic.

So... who do you think is more pretentious?

Wheres the beef?
03-03-2008, 10:23 PM
I thought this was going to be about board members.

rage patton
03-03-2008, 10:24 PM
Seriously, this board is going to say The Mars Volta, no question about it.

But I would really liked to hear what you all think is so great about Mogwai. I am honestly interested. Because when I listen to it, all I hear is long noises, no song structure and nothing audibly appealing whatsoever.

Boourns
03-03-2008, 10:44 PM
Godspeed? Definitely. But Mogwai? Come on!

dorkfish
03-03-2008, 10:46 PM
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rage patton
03-03-2008, 10:47 PM
Nope. Sorry. Thats all I hear in Mogwai.

And luckyface, what do you mean Mogwai songs aren't long??? Mogwait Fears Satan, D to E and Haunted By A Freak are all like 7-8 minutes long. Sure, some TMV songs are 15-16 minutes long, but they also have songs that are 2-3 minutes long. All the Mogwai songs I have heard are over 7 minutes, or pretty close to it.

dorkfish
03-03-2008, 10:56 PM
Average song length for last 2 Mogwai studio albums: 4 minutes 12 seconds
Average song length for last 2 TMV studio albums: 7 minutes 35 seconds

rage patton
03-03-2008, 10:58 PM
Maybe Im listening to more then one song then, they are just blended together... I just can't tell because all their music is, is prolonged noises and they all sound exactly the same. Thats probably what it is.

greghead
03-03-2008, 11:02 PM
Average song length for last 2 Mogwai studio albums: 4 minutes 12 seconds
Average song length for last 2 TMV studio albums: 7 minutes 35 seconds

Yeah, Amputechture does not have one song that clocks in under five minutes. I think, anyway. Not only is Bedlam in Goliath a much better album, the songs are not quite so big and unwieldy. TMV is fairly pretentious, but they have real musical chops, so I'm willing to overlook. Mogwai is ok, just not my cup of tea.

luckyface
03-03-2008, 11:03 PM
Nope. Sorry. Thats all I hear in Mogwai.

And luckyface, what do you mean Mogwai songs aren't long??? Mogwait Fears Satan, D to E and Haunted By A Freak are all like 7-8 minutes long. Sure, some TMV songs are 15-16 minutes long, but they also have songs that are 2-3 minutes long. All the Mogwai songs I have heard are over 7 minutes, or pretty close to it.

Point me to the spot where I said Mogwai songs weren't long, please. Thanks. All I said was that if you added all of Mogwai's longest songs together they wouldn't be as long as one TMV song, which is what one might call sarcasm.

So you have heard 3 Mogwai songs (as you claimed in the other thread) and you have made the determination that all of their songs must be long. You do realize they have more than these songs, right? For instance, on their last two albums, the longest songs were 5:47 and 6:51 respectively. If you want to get caught up the song length game, you are going to lose.

I am still amazed how straightforward post rock can be deemed pretentious, while banshee screams, some dude playing a fucking TYPEWRITER, and an out of place saxophone is not. But hey, maybe you and I are thinking of a different definition or pretension.

mountmccabe
03-03-2008, 11:06 PM
Seriously, this board is going to say The Mars Volta, no question about it.

But I would really liked to hear what you all think is so great about Mogwai. I am honestly interested. Because when I listen to it, all I hear is long noises, no song structure and nothing audibly appealing whatsoever.

You not liking Mogwai doesn't make them pretentious.

It seems to me that the Mars Volta play with song structure more than Mogwai do.

I, personally, find Mogwai's long, mellow sound to be cool. It can be soothing. But they can also rock. Here is "Glasgow Mega-Snake"

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They're just doing something completely different from the Mars Volta. They're not minimalist but they're closer to that than the Mars Volta. It is interesting hearing how their songs develop, the slow changes.

The Mars Volta just overwhelm you with music.

luckyface
03-03-2008, 11:18 PM
You not liking Mogwai doesn't make them pretentious.

I think we hit the nail on the head. If you don't like Mogwai, that is cool. But I just don't get the pretentious thing.

As for your comments about Mogwai only sounding like noise to you, they actually have a lot more to offer than the wall of noise you have noticed on the couple of songs you have heard. They can be quite diverse.

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thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 12:20 AM
Based on 30 seconds of listening to Mogwai:

Oh thank god--I was deathly afraid there might actually be something that was even more deluded about itself than Mars Volta. Now that I know this is not the case, I'll sleep easier.

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 12:53 AM
Follow-up:

Hey... Mogwai's fucking boss. Why in the fuck would you ever try and stack bricks of shit like TMV against this?

Astrid
03-04-2008, 01:09 AM
i dont understand why they are being compared?

NiceArthur32
03-04-2008, 01:27 AM
pretentious is such a pretentious word...

fucking word...

Astrid
03-04-2008, 01:33 AM
how is pretentious a pretentious word?

because it has several syllables? i would not consider it an advanced vocabulary word. im sure my ten year old brother has a full understanding of its meaning...

he could have easily used ostentatious, magniloquent, or highfalutin to say the same thing...then i might see your point.

NiceArthur32
03-04-2008, 01:37 AM
go to a mirror and just mouth the word "pretentious"

dont you look pretentious doing that?

see what i mean?

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 01:39 AM
"Pretentious" is inherently pretentious, actually. Interesting little exercise in meta syntax, come to think of it.

Astrid
03-04-2008, 01:42 AM
hahahahah. okay. hahah. indeed.

rage patton
03-04-2008, 06:55 AM
I am off to classes right now... I will watch the various youtubes when I get back.

But a quick summary of why I think Mogwai are pretentious. Thier music sounds less like music, and more like art. It sounds to me like they are trying as hard as humanly possible to make the most artsy music possible, and succeding at it nonetheless. And I have yet to hear any songs that would convince me otherwise.

Hannahrain
03-04-2008, 07:00 AM
how is pretentious a pretentious word?

because it has several syllables? i would not consider it an advanced vocabulary word. im sure my ten year old brother has a full understanding of its meaning...

he could have easily used ostentatious, magniloquent, or highfalutin to say the same thing...then i might see your point.

Astrid's ten-year-old brother is pretentious.

Highfalutin isn't a pretentious word. Unless you mean the pretentious people who happen to be at a hoedown.

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 07:03 AM
I am off to classes right now... I will watch the various youtubes when I get back.

But a quick summary of why I think Mogwai are pretentious. Thier music sounds less like music, and more like art. It sounds to me like they are trying as hard as humanly possible to make the most artsy music possible, and succeding at it nonetheless. And I have yet to hear any songs that would convince me otherwise.

... don't like that music that's trying to be art, eh? That must suck for you, seeing as music is art. Is that why you like TMV? Cause they're the opposite of everything that art should be? Specifically things like "good," "not painful to listen to," and "not stretched out to lengths that vastly exceed the amount of worthwhile content contained within?"

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
03-04-2008, 07:21 AM
Nope. Sorry. Thats all I hear in Mogwai.

And luckyface, what do you mean Mogwai songs aren't long??? Mogwait Fears Satan, D to E and Haunted By A Freak are all like 7-8 minutes long. Sure, some TMV songs are 15-16 minutes long, but they also have songs that are 2-3 minutes long. All the Mogwai songs I have heard are over 7 minutes, or pretty close to it.

My Father My King is 20 minutes long on CD and 30 minutes live...

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
03-04-2008, 07:30 AM
I am off to classes right now... I will watch the various youtubes when I get back.

But a quick summary of why I think Mogwai are pretentious. Thier music sounds less like music, and more like art. It sounds to me like they are trying as hard as humanly possible to make the most artsy music possible, and succeding at it nonetheless. And I have yet to hear any songs that would convince me otherwise.

Ok Rage, this is something I completely disagree with you on. I have seen both bands live and been a fan for a while already...and it seems to me that Mars Volta WANTS their tracks to be these long winded sessions of noodling...long guitar solos, drum solos, keyboard solos and outlandish lyrics...it is almost as if they pulled tricks right out of the book of Emerson, Lake and Palmer. While Mogwai on the other hand feels as if they let the songs build themselves...no massive guitar solos (If fact none at all, I can't think of a Mogwai track where I have heard any...), no lyrics whatsoever to speak of. They just want to make music..and not all these tracks and albums are long...Rock Action (In my mind their best album) clocks in at barely 38 minutes spend over 8 tracks, that is just about 4 to 5 minutes a track (except 2 rights make a wrong)...I love Mars Volta when they shorten they tracks and just get to the point...that is why I liked them initially, I am not sure what happened...but I saw the change easy from coachella 2002 to 2003...2002 was straight to the point and fucking rocked with all the energy of any punk or metal band while adding a element of jazz into it...2003 was them trying to be Santana...not sure why...

luckyface
03-04-2008, 07:37 AM
i dont understand why they are being compared?

It was a discussion that began in the Upcoming Shows thread. When I called TMV pretentious, rage countered with Mogwai. That is why they are being compared.

Tylerdurden31
03-04-2008, 08:07 AM
Dream Theater

schoolofruckus
03-04-2008, 08:37 AM
The Mars Volta are occasionally good, but largely retarded. Mogwai is the best band on the planet.

But let's throw all that out.

Patton - Listen to "Friend of the Night" for evidence of Mogwai's mastery of "structure" in a concise format. And then listen to "Ratts of the Capital" to see how they can craft a build-up to the gates of heaven over the course of an 8 minute song (which, as many people have pointed out, is about a third of the length of the average Mars Volta composition).

Can you offer anything in the discography of the same band that puts out a song like "Viscera Eyes" as its fucking radio single that accomplishes the same feat?

Melanie.Dawn
03-04-2008, 08:49 AM
I love Volta. I've seen them 6 times. I've met them. They've givin us free tickets. I thought they were a religion for a while.... all said... I had to vote them as most pretentious! haha

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
03-04-2008, 08:52 AM
I love Volta. I've seen them 6 times. I've met them. They've givin us free tickets. I thought they were a religion for a while.... all said... I had to vote them as most pretentious! haha

And that was from a true fan!!!

faxman75
03-04-2008, 08:58 AM
To me Mogwai is anything but pretentious. I love their music. Not sure how I feel about the Mars Volta.

jonnypark
03-04-2008, 10:11 AM
I also thought this was gonna be about board memebers.

rage patton
03-04-2008, 10:39 AM
I am still at school, so I haven't been able to watch any of the youtube video yet, but I plan to when I get home. And Luckyface, I have heard a couple other songs I downloaded a few months ago... and like the 3 I just listened too, they did nothing for me. So I had no interest in looking into them further.
I knew this would be a loosing battle. A poll would be pointless. Its all just a matter of perspective. If poll was on, for example, the Bonnaroo board, I am sure the results would be quite the oposite.

So lucky, I have a question for you. Have you even listened to an entire Mars Volta album? Or have you only seen them live? Because I have heard they are very hit and miss live. However, the two times I saw them live, they absolutely slayed.
So, heres my deal lucky. If you listen to De-Loused in The Comatorium in its entirety, I will listen to any Mogwai album of your choice in its entirety. I give a good couple solid listens. Hell, If you listen to Frances The Mute as well, I will listen to any two Mogwai albums of your choice.

mountmccabe
03-04-2008, 10:49 AM
I am still at school, so I haven't been able to watch any of the youtube video yet, but I plan to when I get home. And Luckyface, I have heard a couple other songs I downloaded a few months ago... and like the 3 I just listened too, they did nothing for me. So I had no interest in looking into them further.
I knew this would be a loosing battle. A poll would be pointless. Its all just a matter of perspective. If poll was on, for example, the Bonnaroo board, I am sure the results would be quite the oposite.

So lucky, I have a question for you. Have you even listened to an entire Mars Volta album? Or have you only seen them live? Because I have heard they are very hit and miss live. However, the two times I saw them live, they absolutely slayed.
So, heres my deal lucky. If you listen to De-Loused in The Comatorium in its entirety, I will listen to any Mogwai album of your choice in its entirety. I give a good couple solid listens. Hell, If you listen to Frances The Mute as well, I will listen to any two Mogwai albums of your choice.

I can't imagine any different results on the Bonnaroo board.

Also I'm not Rocke but I bought De Loused when it came out and then Frances too. I really like De-Loused, though I haven't listened to it in a while. And I saw them at Coachella in 2003 and loved the performance. I never quite absorbed Frances though and haven't kept up with their new releases.

That has nothing to do with them not being pretentious. Overblown concept albums and broadly varied, wild instrumentation definitely raise pretension flags.

Pretentious does not mean bad. Pretentious does not mean "not rocking." Pretentious just means falsely important, ostentatious.

Melanie.Dawn
03-04-2008, 11:23 AM
I'm sure many will argue with me, but Deloused in my opinion is the single greatest cd put out during my lifetime... a short but valid 23 years. That cd is amazing. I kinda feel like people who don't like it just really didn't give it a good listen... or don't get it... but it's so good there's not a lot to get. I can see people saying 'you just dont get Frances' as an excuse from fans... but deloused... in my mind, if you don't get it... you don't really get music. A bold statment I know.. but it's how I feel. I feel like it seperates hipsters from real music lovers.

mountmccabe
03-04-2008, 11:25 AM
Rage, it seems like your argument is that Mogwai is boring therefore they are pretentious. You can't see what people would like about their music thus it is "art rock."

And a bunch of people that don't find Mogwai boring are responding saying that you're crazy.

There is an element of pretense to Mogwai's music... long instrumental songs raise pretension flags too. But that isn't how the discussion is framed; the question is who is more pretentious, Mogwai or the Mars Volta.

Are you trying to say that the Mars Volta are not pretentious? Would you use words like simple or restrained to refer to the Mars Volta's music? Are their lyrics straightforward and clear? Are the band leaders humble?

luckyface
03-04-2008, 12:04 PM
I am still at school, so I haven't been able to watch any of the youtube video yet, but I plan to when I get home. And Luckyface, I have heard a couple other songs I downloaded a few months ago... and like the 3 I just listened too, they did nothing for me. So I had no interest in looking into them further.
I knew this would be a loosing battle. A poll would be pointless. Its all just a matter of perspective. If poll was on, for example, the Bonnaroo board, I am sure the results would be quite the oposite.

So lucky, I have a question for you. Have you even listened to an entire Mars Volta album? Or have you only seen them live? Because I have heard they are very hit and miss live. However, the two times I saw them live, they absolutely slayed.
So, heres my deal lucky. If you listen to De-Loused in The Comatorium in its entirety, I will listen to any Mogwai album of your choice in its entirety. I give a good couple solid listens. Hell, If you listen to Frances The Mute as well, I will listen to any two Mogwai albums of your choice.

I have listened to Deloused once and part of Frances the Mute. My emotions created by the songs and albums ranged from indifferent to extreme despair. To put it lightly, they are not my cup of tea. And before I hear I am not giving them a chance, when I saw them live, I had not listened to anything from them except for a couple of 30 second clips. I was legitimately enthusiastic about seeing them as people would cream themselves just mentioning the group's name. I was open-minded and ready to accept this band as amazing new talents. Easily one of the worst live experiences I have ever had. I thought maybe it was a bad night, maybe I was bummed that I only heard 3 songs in 75 minutes. So I decided to give them another chance and listen to an album. Never again will I subject myself to such torture.

My hatred of TMV does not make me brand them as pretentious. I think MountMcCabe does an excellent job of pointing out the argument here, so I don't want to rehash what he has to say.

Anyway, I am not sure if any of the videos will convince you otherwise, but honestly it is no big deal if you keep your opinion. You and I obviously define pretension very differently. You'll probably say the same thing to me, but you are seriously missing out if you aren't giving Mogwai a chance.

M Sparks
03-04-2008, 12:14 PM
I don't know much about Mars Volta, but I saw Mogwai do a 30 minute afternoon set in the blazing Phoenix heat. I had never really heard them before, and I was mesmorized.

But I don't really see how they could be pretentious. If anything, they were kind of faceless. I think you need a strong personality to be pretentious.

luckyface
03-04-2008, 12:36 PM
I don't know much about Mars Volta, but I saw Mogwai do a 30 minute afternoon set in the blazing Phoenix heat. I had never really heard them before, and I was mesmorized.

But I don't really see how they could be pretentious. If anything, they were kind of faceless. I think you need a strong personality to be pretentious.

I take it you went to Curiosa? Great (but very short) performance!

amyzzz
03-04-2008, 01:16 PM
Oh yeah. I'd forgotten I actually saw Mogwai at the Curiosa tour. I wanted Muse instead (they weren't on the Phx date), but I seem to remember Mogwai being pretty good. I also liked Interpol live even though I don't really like that band normally.

M Sparks
03-04-2008, 01:48 PM
Oh yeah. I'd forgotten I actually saw Mogwai at the Curiosa tour. I wanted Muse instead (they weren't on the Phx date), but I seem to remember Mogwai being pretty good. I also liked Interpol live even though I don't really like that band normally.

Actually Muse was one of the second stage bands on that tour! Main stage was always the same...Mogwai, Rapture, Interpol, Cure.

Phoenix got hosed on the second stage...We got Scarling and either Cursive or Thursday rather than Muse. (I took a nap after Interpol, so I didn't go back out to see who was the last act on the second stage.) And Head Automatica didn't even show up even though they were on the schedule.

Cooper Temple Clause were great though.

rage patton
03-04-2008, 03:34 PM
Rage, it seems like your argument is that Mogwai is boring therefore they are pretentious. You can't see what people would like about their music thus it is "art rock."

And a bunch of people that don't find Mogwai boring are responding saying that you're crazy.

There is an element of pretense to Mogwai's music... long instrumental songs raise pretension flags too. But that isn't how the discussion is framed; the question is who is more pretentious, Mogwai or the Mars Volta.

Are you trying to say that the Mars Volta are not pretentious? Would you use words like simple or restrained to refer to the Mars Volta's music? Are their lyrics straightforward and clear? Are the band leaders humble?

No, I wasn't saying they are boring, therefore they are pretentious at all. What I was saying was thier music sounds like it is self-important. It's like they think the music is so great, it doesn't need any words. And, as luckyface mentioned, I don't care if they personally don't think they are that good, or if they are really humble. Their music speaks louder then their words. And to me, thier music comes across as pretentious, boring, self-important artsy music.
And I am not saying The Mars Volta are not pretentious at all, I will admit they are. But you also have to admit Mogwai come off as pretentious too. I know you did, but others have to as well. I wouldn't use simple or restrained to describe The Mars Volta, but I sure as hell would not use it to describe Mogwai either. And TMVs lyrics are something out of this world, I honestly have no idea what any of them mean. But he has an amazing voice, so that counters it. While Mogwai on the other hand... don't feel the need for vocals. Which in itself is somewhat pretentious. And I have never read anything that would lead me to believe Cedric and Omar are anything but humble. Especially Omar. He is very humble about the music he creates.
Based on those reasons, that is why I feel Mogwai come across as more pretentious then The Mars Volta.


I have listened to Deloused once and part of Frances the Mute. My emotions created by the songs and albums ranged from indifferent to extreme despair. To put it lightly, they are not my cup of tea. And before I hear I am not giving them a chance, when I saw them live, I had not listened to anything from them except for a couple of 30 second clips. I was legitimately enthusiastic about seeing them as people would cream themselves just mentioning the group's name. I was open-minded and ready to accept this band as amazing new talents. Easily one of the worst live experiences I have ever had. I thought maybe it was a bad night, maybe I was bummed that I only heard 3 songs in 75 minutes. So I decided to give them another chance and listen to an album. Never again will I subject myself to such torture.

My hatred of TMV does not make me brand them as pretentious. I think MountMcCabe does an excellent job of pointing out the argument here, so I don't want to rehash what he has to say.

Anyway, I am not sure if any of the videos will convince you otherwise, but honestly it is no big deal if you keep your opinion. You and I obviously define pretension very differently. You'll probably say the same thing to me, but you are seriously missing out if you aren't giving Mogwai a chance.

I honestly cannot believe you gave De-Loused In The Comatorium an honest listen and came to that conclusion.


I'm sure many will argue with me, but Deloused in my opinion is the single greatest cd put out during my lifetime... a short but valid 23 years. That cd is amazing. I kinda feel like people who don't like it just really didn't give it a good listen... or don't get it... but it's so good there's not a lot to get. I can see people saying 'you just dont get Frances' as an excuse from fans... but deloused... in my mind, if you don't get it... you don't really get music. A bold statment I know.. but it's how I feel. I feel like it seperates hipsters from real music lovers.

Thank you! I wouldn't call it the best, but that album is seriously amazing.

Now, with all that being said... why on earth does Mogwai's live show sound so fucking awesome? Seriously, their recorded music is just... blah. But I will be 100% honest here. Their live videos are certainly something else. I watched all the videos Andrew posted in the Upcoming Shows thread, and all the live clips here, and I admit, they look like they kick ass live. Why doesn't thier recorded music sound like they do live???

betao
03-04-2008, 03:43 PM
Just the way some bands are. Some are sick live, and weak in the studio.

Josh, listen to Happy Songs for Happy People (or some of it). Listen to Ratts of the Capital, thats the only one song I can recommend you listen to.

suprefan
03-04-2008, 03:43 PM
Rocke you shouldve made this public.

luckyface
03-04-2008, 03:45 PM
Rocke you shouldve made this public.

The poll? I thought I set it to public.

luckyface
03-04-2008, 03:59 PM
While Mogwai on the other hand... don't feel the need for vocals. Which in itself is somewhat pretentious.
While I object to a lot of what you had to say in your post, I will say whatever to it because we are just going around in circles. I did want to point this out.

First of all, some Mogwai songs do have vocals. Second of all, are you telling me that any instrumental song, be it instrumental rock, electronica, or even classical music is pretentious because there are no vocals? That is quite a statement.

And there are a lot of ways I could describe the vocals for TMV, but amazing is literally the last word I would use.


I honestly cannot believe you gave De-Loused In The Comatorium an honest listen and came to that conclusion.

Believe it. I hated it. A lot!

nationocean
03-04-2008, 04:11 PM
Mars Volta duh, thread done.

Wheres the beef?
03-04-2008, 04:25 PM
Follow-up:

Hey... Mogwai's fucking boss. Why in the fuck would you ever try and stack bricks of shit like TMV against this?

I wonder what stacking bricks of shit looks like..........

i_like_cake530
03-04-2008, 04:30 PM
I am off to classes right now... I will watch the various youtubes when I get back.

But a quick summary of why I think Mogwai are pretentious. Thier music sounds less like music, and more like art. It sounds to me like they are trying as hard as humanly possible to make the most artsy music possible, and succeding at it nonetheless. And I have yet to hear any songs that would convince me otherwise.

I usually agree with most things you say, but on this one I'm definitely going to have to disagree. Mogwai rocks.

mandelbaum
03-04-2008, 05:13 PM
Seriously, this board is going to say The Mars Volta, no question about it.

But I would really liked to hear what you all think is so great about Mogwai. I am honestly interested. Because when I listen to it, all I hear is long noises, no song structure and nothing audibly appealing whatsoever.

This critique of Mogwai is why other people actually write music and you spend too much time commenting on it on message boards like this.

bballarl
03-04-2008, 06:07 PM
Mogwai are a killer rock band. Period. And they are straightforward in their rocking. Period.

Mogwai Fear Satan.

I am going to go listen to Tortoise, who are clearly pretentious because they don't sing.

bballarl
03-04-2008, 06:25 PM
Also, I was listening to this guy who plays this music called "Jazz" the other day. His name is Miles Davis or something like that. He is clearly pretentious, because pretty much all of his albums have no vocals. I think he had them arranged and then discarded them. Who needs that shit anyway, right?

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 06:39 PM
I used to love to play jazz.


It's probably still kinda pretentious.

roberto73
03-04-2008, 06:50 PM
I used to love to play jazz.


It's probably still kinda pretentious.

Did you have vocals? If not, definitely pretentious.

You know who else was pretentious? Beethoven. No vocals.

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 06:52 PM
Beethoven composed all his music very carefully. Improv is kinda pretentious by nature. This is probably a good point as to why TMV are assholes.

rage patton
03-04-2008, 06:52 PM
Jesus Christ people... I didn't say all music without vocals is pretentious. Well, I guess I did actually. But I didn't mean it like that. I meant it like... it's like they think the music is so great, it doesn't need any words. As a listener, that is just how it feels. I listen to tons of instrumental bands and song, and just because a song has no word, it doesn't automatically mean its pretentious. Im sorry if that is how it came across to all of you, but you took it out of context.
Second, I listened to Mogwai's live stuff, and I said it was A LOT better. Appealing even. If they were at a festival, I would definately make an effort to see them. However, I stand by their recorded music is extremely boring.
Also, for all of you bashing The Mars Volta out there, I am just as entitled to my opinion just as you are. You see something in Mogwai's recorded music I don't, and I see something in the Mars Volta you don't.
I'm sorry if I have suddenly lost all my "indie cred" but I was just stating my opinion. Just like you are all stating yours.

bballarl
03-04-2008, 07:27 PM
I like the Mars Volta. I would have enjoyed their concert I saw much much more if I wasn't suffering from a cold and an incredibly sore back. The opening few minutes of that show are some of the most exciting I have ever seen in a concert. And their intro music is badass.

greghead
03-04-2008, 07:33 PM
I wonder what stacking bricks of shit looks like..........

Very squishy and messy


And to Randy:
Of course Jazz is pretentious, the whole notion of improv screams, "look at how fucking awesome I am", but that does not mean it is not enjoyable to listen to at times

JSam67
03-05-2008, 02:11 AM
The Mars Volta is garbage. They are not only more pretentious than Mogwai, they're probably also more pretentious than suprefan.

shakermaker113
03-05-2008, 09:08 AM
The Mars Volta is garbage. They are not only more pretentious than Mogwai, they're probably also more pretentious than suprefan.

+10.

thelastgreatman
03-05-2008, 12:52 PM
A buddy of mine opened for Mogwai in Jersey back in 97, apparently. He was like, "I'm pretty sure it was Mogwai. No singer, just really fucking loud guitars, right?"

bmack86
03-05-2008, 02:30 PM
First time I saw Mogwai, I had heard that they played really long songs. They played their first three songs in a combined 15 minutes, and I didn't know what people were talking about. Then they closed with My Father My King, which lasted for almost 40 amazing minutes. As soon as they were done, I searched the crowd to find someone who could tell me what that song was because it was so good.

brando4n82
03-06-2008, 09:56 AM
Mars Volta is more pretentious, but also the better band IMO, sooooo

PrettyRagdoll
03-09-2008, 04:26 PM
God I hate TMV

msklvr
03-13-2008, 04:14 PM
I completely understand what you mean, Josh. I know what point you are trying to get across. Recorded Mogwai is an acquired taste. It's great for reading or studying, though.

Mogwai is in my top five best performances though. If you EVER get the chance to see them live, don't hesitate. It is seriously one of the loudest things I have ever heard, but the cleanest at the same time.

They make your face do this...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/TheSILENCELV/melt.jpg

paulb
03-20-2008, 10:02 PM
Volta...

NicoDread
03-21-2008, 10:05 PM
At least TMV makes, you know, music. Instead of just boring noises.

fikus222
03-22-2008, 03:09 AM
When I saw TMV at the Berkeley Greek in '05 they postponed the show until Cedric and Omar finished shopping at the Amoeba Records on Telegraph, it was all good, since they then played for 2.5 hours straight.

thelastgreatman
03-22-2008, 07:56 AM
At least TMV makes, you know, music. Instead of just boring noises.

That shit is not music. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

humanoid
03-28-2008, 07:34 PM
I think MV has a problem all playing in the same key....each band member is soloing the entire time, and to me it doesn't sound like any of it fits together

indietron
01-29-2009, 10:47 PM
At least TMV makes, you know, music. Instead of just boring noises.

Wow.

TheWatcher
01-30-2009, 10:12 AM
As I am someone who loves both bands, this argument is kind of hilarious to me.

I don't really see how either band is really pretentious. So, here is the Webster definition:


1: characterized by pretension: as a: making usually unjustified or excessive claims (as of value or standing) <the pretentious fraud who assumes a love of culture that is alien to him Richard Watts> b: expressive of affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature <pretentious language> <pretentious houses> 2: making demands on one's skill, ability, or means : ambitious <the pretentious daring of the Green Mountain Boys in crossing the lake American Guide Series: Vermont>

I guess I don't see either band as trying to exaggerate their importance, worth or stature.

But, maybe definition #2, similar to "ambitious" might actually fit.

And yes, I thought this was going to be about board members.

luckyface
01-30-2009, 10:14 AM
I guess I don't see either band as trying to exaggerate their importance, worth or stature.


This is the very description of TMV! They make 40 minute shit fest songs because they think they are doing something important and worthy of adulation.

lickety_spit
01-30-2009, 04:27 PM
mogwai, all the way
even though i prefer them over tmv

sacleonard
01-31-2009, 09:46 PM
Easy decision for me. I don't mind Mogwai, but The Mars Volta has always gotten under every nerve.

Y0UNGBL00D
04-01-2013, 05:47 AM
this thread is far more pretentious than either of these two awesome bands.