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uscrocks003
03-01-2008, 08:09 PM
so, what will be the best shows to see. similar to mstrkrft last year.

rage patton
03-01-2008, 08:30 PM
Kraftwerk

orbit
03-01-2008, 09:04 PM
Modeselektor.

Not similar to MSTRKRFT, but so much better.

summerkid
03-01-2008, 09:05 PM
Modeselektor.

hell yes. Modeselektor is so god damn amazing.

thelastgreatman
03-01-2008, 09:06 PM
Oh Modeselektor is not amazing. It's occasionally briefly entertaining at best. Amazing? Come on.

rage patton
03-01-2008, 09:09 PM
I agree. I find Modeselektor kind of boring. Am I listening to the wrong stuff?

Then again, I listen to Daft Punk, Justice, Fatboy Slim AND enjoyed MSTRKRFTs set last year. Therefore, I must not have any taste in electronic music.

jazzz
03-01-2008, 09:10 PM
Kraftwerk
Booka Shade
Modeselektor

orbit
03-01-2008, 09:31 PM
Check Modeselektor's Happy Birthday. One of the BEST albums of last year.

If you find that boring, well.. go see them anyway.

thelastgreatman
03-01-2008, 09:34 PM
I pulled one a live set, and it got occasionally kinda neat but only briefly. Overall just a bit too sparse for me to get excited about. But I'll check out the album just cause you said so, Orbit.

Foucault
03-01-2008, 09:38 PM
Simian (listening right now)
Midnight Juggernauts
Chromeo
Kraftwerk
Hot Chip

thelastgreatman
03-01-2008, 09:39 PM
From now on there should be a mandatory at least 30 percent UK artists in the Sahara Tent.

STALINZZZ
03-01-2008, 09:44 PM
Oh Modeselektor is not amazing. It's occasionally briefly entertaining at best. Amazing? Come on.

you're an idiot.

This is the correct answer +5. Even though the question in the first place was fucking retarded.

Heres who I'm seeing.

1. Kraftwerk
2. Modeselector
3. Booka Shade
4. Sasha and Digweed
5. Deadmau5
6. Adam Freeland
7. Fatboy Slim
8. The Field
9. Boys Noize
10. Danny Tenaglia

Heres who you're seeing (not you LGM).

1. Justice
2. SMD
3. Midnight Juggernauts
4. Chromeo
5. Boys Noise

orbit
03-01-2008, 09:47 PM
I pulled one a live set, and it got occasionally kinda neat but only briefly. Overall just a bit too sparse for me to get excited about. But I'll check out the album just cause you said so, Orbit.

Well, you probably know already how is their sound.. pretty much IDM, glitch, hip hop and sometimes techno sounds like early Miss Kittin's. I'm guessing they play Bang Face at UK on friday and then fly right then for his sunday act at Coachella? I'm kinda worried they might end cancelling Coachella.

thelastgreatman
03-01-2008, 09:48 PM
TO STALIN, NOT ORBIT: I found six minutes that interested me in a 90 minute live set. Sorry, but whatever to the Mode.

idrive1life
03-01-2008, 09:53 PM
you're an idiot.

This is the correct answer +5. Even though the question in the first place was fucking retarded.

Heres who I'm seeing.

1. Kraftwerk
2. Modeselector
3. Booka Shade
4. Sasha and Digweed
5. Deadmau5
6. Adam Freeland
7. Fatboy Slim
8. The Field
9. Boys Noize
10. Danny Tenaglia

Heres who you're seeing (not you LGM).

1. Justice
2. SMD
3. Midnight Juggernauts
4. Chromeo
5. Boys Noise

Hell YES to all of those! But then I also really need to check SMD. And yeah, Justice and their fanboys can go to hell!

thelastgreatman
03-01-2008, 09:54 PM
Booka is overrated too, btw.

leo01g
03-01-2008, 11:13 PM
Kraftwerk
Modeselektor
SMD
Boyz Noize
Deadmau5
Sasha and John Digweed
Erol Alkan
James Zabiela

Sonicifyouwantit
03-01-2008, 11:23 PM
Im gonna have fun in the sahara, outside the sahara...really anywhere on the festival grounds at all times. I dont think any of these groups are the saviour of humanity despite positive hype or the opposite despite the hate. Im still gonna have fun

merznerve
03-01-2008, 11:24 PM
my boy otto von schirach did a scooter cover of hyper hyper w/modeselektor

check that track out!

WeGoSublime
03-02-2008, 03:07 AM
is james zabiela good ?

deeznutz
03-02-2008, 10:03 AM
Booka is overrated too, btw.


STFU

PS - Modeselektor is the hottness.

PSS - Please make us some more "voodoo house" so I can throw up in my mouth a little again.

deeznutz
03-02-2008, 10:04 AM
is james zabiela good ?

YES!

HEADSTRUCK
03-02-2008, 10:10 AM
thought it said top 5 of electro? they thread sould just be called top 5 of edm cause most of whats being named is not electro

thelastgreatman
03-02-2008, 10:31 AM
STFU

PS - Modeselektor is the hottness.

PSS - Please make us some more "voodoo house" so I can throw up in my mouth a little again.

Hahaha, I'm not a fucking professional. That was the first song I ever made. And frankly, it's more interesting than most of both of those artists. And if music is making you throw up, you might have some medical issues.

P.S. This isn't a letter. You don't need to use post scriptums. Sorry if I slighted "the hottness." Does the second "t" have a significance or are you just only mostly literate?

summerkid
03-02-2008, 10:33 AM
randy how are you the expert on EDM all of a sudden? I thought all you liked was Underworld.

thelastgreatman
03-02-2008, 10:37 AM
I'm not an expert. I'm just pointing out how shit isn't good.

Memorial_07
03-02-2008, 10:51 AM
I'm all alone in going to see Junkie XL

brando4n82
03-02-2008, 11:07 AM
Booka is overrated too, btw.

Unfortunately i agree with you. I was really excited to see both Modeselektor and Bookashade, and definitely still plan on seeing both of them because i hear they both put on great shows, but yeah, the more and more i listen to both of them, the more disintrested i get, when i get home, im gonna to download Mode's Birthday album Orbit mentioned, maybe that will rekindle my interest

thelastgreatman
03-02-2008, 11:11 AM
I'm just saying--go to myspace, search for Electronica from the UK and one out of four of the pages sound more interesting the Mode, Booka, Boyz, and most of the other acts in the Sahara this year. Once again, Britain is miles ahead of everyone in music for some reason.

I suppose to be honest I just really dislike the EDM tastes of California. I didn't like what most people liked when I was frequenting the NY scene, but I really don't like the shit out here. LA is just HORRIBLE, SF I guess is a little better but I'm probably just saying that so Jack doesn't come after me.

Robototron
03-02-2008, 12:18 PM
I'm just saying--go to myspace, search for Electronica from the UK and one out of four of the pages sound more interesting the Mode, Booka, Boyz, and most of the other acts in the Sahara this year. Once again, Britain is miles ahead of everyone in music for some reason.


lol, what did you even listen to?

I don't care that you don't like Booka and Modeselektor, feel free to dislike them all you want, but please stop acting like you have even the slightest clue as to what you're talking about. What in the UK is miles ahead of everyone else outside of their Dubstep & Garage? Honestly, the UK music scene altogether is pretty shitty right now.

Also, Modeselektor and Booka Shade aren't really representative of the music tastes of LA. Justice, MSTRKRFT, etc. is what LA loves (not that your taste is any better), and I think we've talked about all that stuff enough.

You probably couldn't walk down any street here and meet anyone who even has any idea who Booka Shade, Modeselektor, etc. are. I went to see The Field open for !!! a few months ago, and even the people AT the show had no idea who he was, despite releasing on one of the most well-known Techno labels in the world.

thelastgreatman
03-02-2008, 12:21 PM
Whateva, *****. Keep hyping up these mediocre acts--London has been ahead of any US city in electronic music ever since I first started paying attention. I just clicked on 30 random myspace profiles influenced by Dave Clarke, and 15 of them were more interesting in the first 30 seconds of their tracks than all the shit I've heard from either of those acts.

uscrocks003
03-02-2008, 12:24 PM
ok, so, what will the take your pants off bass pumping elbows flailing jaw dropping insane shows be?

fatbastard
03-02-2008, 12:27 PM
I'm all alone in going to see Junkie XL

I hadn't planned on seeing him this year but his current mixes are much better than what he's produced in the past.

deeznutz
03-02-2008, 12:39 PM
Hahaha, I'm not a fucking professional. That was the first song I ever made. And frankly, it's more interesting than most of both of those artists. And if music is making you throw up, you might have some medical issues.

P.S. This isn't a letter. You don't need to use post scriptums. Sorry if I slighted "the hottness." Does the second "t" have a significance or are you just only mostly literate?

Go ahead and read your last sentance. Now ask yourself the same question.

PS - Dance music is universal. To say the UK is more advanced is totally asinine. You sir, are an idiot.

betao
03-02-2008, 01:02 PM
to anyone who has not seen Booka Shade live and feels that they are overrated:

Their live show is specfuckingtacular. Their albums suck, but their live show easily makes up for it. See them, you won't regret it.

paulb
03-02-2008, 01:46 PM
I love the electronic acts this year...although I still say we need some bigger names added...

Acts im most lookin forward to seeing:

Boys Noize
Justice
SMD
Fatboy Slim
Institubes set...

daft$tar
03-02-2008, 01:53 PM
simian mobile disco
boys noize
chromeo
erol alkan
uffie/yelle

thelastgreatman
03-02-2008, 02:12 PM
Go ahead and read your last sentance. Now ask yourself the same question.

PS - Dance music is universal. To say the UK is more advanced is totally asinine. You sir, are an idiot.

Dance music is universal? So you're claiming that every nation on the planet produces equal amounts of quality EDM? Is this true of all music genres, or only the "universal" dance music? Does Norway have equally good EDM artists as the US and the UK and France? How about Zimbabwe?

The UK has kinda always made better music than us in almost every genre--except rap, but that's because they don't have real black people, they have British black people. Look at the biggest names in EDM from, say, the 90s, and the UK represents more than the US, or any other individual nation. I'm not just fabricating this, you dicknose--most people with actual taste in this shit would agree with me.

That is of course not to say that people in this thread will. Although I'd love to hear thoughts from Orbit and Jack about it.

kitt kat
03-02-2008, 02:12 PM
kraftwerk
justice
chromeo
hot chip
simian mobile disco


in that order

Memorial_07
03-02-2008, 02:31 PM
I hadn't planned on seeing him this year but his current mixes are much better than what he's produced in the past.

As long as he spins "ZeroToNine" that will be a highlight for me.

Trudeau
03-02-2008, 02:31 PM
Boys Noize and SMD.

Why not more house music though? I'm talking the likes of Eric Prydz and Dirty South...

orbit
03-02-2008, 06:52 PM
Who has made better music is a very general question and doesn't have a simple answer, or so I think. But as right now, I could say the UK might have better breaks producer/djs, and the US techno ones. It's subjective, actually.

But I don't think it depends on who has better djs, but who gets more exposure and where. Talent is everywhere, but market isn't. I think most US talent is not as widely known as UK's. I don't like the term 'scene' but I'll use it here to make things easier to explain. UK dance scene is so diverse and they seem to have place for every genre, so you have more people feeling free to produce/experiment and get booked. Here in the US, you also have a lot of amazing well respected talent (Bassbin Twins, Simply Jeff, Freescha, Bassnectar, Eskmo, Uberzone, Stars of the Lid, Prefuse 73, Glitch Mob, Burufunk, Daedelus, Headroom, SOTEG, Carbon Community, Casino vs Japan, Proem, etc), but they don't seem to get much exposure in their own country (outside San Francisco and NY probably). I have a fucking big respect for all of them and their constant effort to make a scene from almost nothing, but sadly, the US scene seems to appeal more to the mainstream. So that's when you see Aoki getting hundreds of gigs, and Justice playing 2 Coachellas in a row.

Look to what acts UK electronic music festivals such as Glade gets and compare it to the ones UMF gets. Or just compare the dance tents of the 2 main festivals in both of the UK and the US. Llook what the Sahara tent used to be in 99-2001 and what is it now, and look what the dance tent of Glastonbury used to be and how they keep diversity in their lineups. Hell, look how Glade festival used to be the dance tent of Glastonbury years ago.

I'm pretty sure the US have a lot of awesome producers you or I haven't heard about yet. But if you are talking in a 'Underworld vs Crystal Method' sense, then yeah, you might be right. It could be said all of those big european acts in their begnining wanted to sound like detroit techno/chicago house, though.

DrDank551
03-02-2008, 07:00 PM
Booka is overrated too, btw.

I have said this on other threads
YOUR A FUCKING IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!
Booka Shade is the shit and they are going to thump the fucking desert

thelastgreatman
03-02-2008, 07:37 PM
I was just listening to a recent live Booka set. Look, it's not bad, it's pretty good and all, but it's not spectacular. It seems to be the most hyped act of the Sahara this year and I just don't see it being deserving of that much praise, that's all.

And as far as the "sure the albums suck but live is a whole different story," that's kinda a double-edged sword. On one hand--live performance is EVERYTHING in EDM when you get right down to it. But on the other hand--there's no fucking excuse whatsoever to put out boring albums when you make vastly more interesting live sets out of them.

And yes, I know that album tracks are kinda inherently always gonna be less exciting because if they're too full they can't be mixed in with other tracks as easily live, but goddammit they don't have to be COMPLETELY fucking boring.

ORBIT: Nice reply, very even-handed and logical. Acknowledged good point about the UK taking its cues from the Detroit and Chicago scenes back in the day, but yes I was talking more specifically about 1990-today. I mean, if you go back far enough technically Germany gets all the credit cause Kraftwerk were pretty much the originators, right? But practically we're all pretty much entirely interested in what's transpired since the birth of the rave culture, are we not?

Your mentions of how much more emphasis on EDM there is in European festivals in general compared to US fests is kinda exactly what I'm talking about--specifically I think UK artists have consistently been a step above the rest, but EDM in general is a way bigger deal overseas than it is here. We have rave-specific festivals, but I don't think you're even allowed to put on a festival in Europe without a FUCKLOAD of dance artists. The UK in particular seems to be a discerning crowd which either stems from the high quality of their artists or causes the high quality of their artists.

Over here most people aren't "into" EDM to any significant degree, it's still kinda the biggest niche genre, especially since the rave scene peaked and fell. Daft was the first electronic act in the last several years to reach major festival headliner status and it took a revolutionary show to achieve that crossover status.

In England 250,000 turned out for fucking Fatboy Slim for fuck's sake. Those people take this shit WAY more seriously than we do, and I see that dedication reflected in their performers.



Plus, as always, they have Underworld and thus they win.

uscrocks003
03-02-2008, 07:43 PM
this will be my first coachella; i know virtually nothing about it. do they often add artists after they have released the artists?

Robototron
03-02-2008, 07:51 PM
London has been ahead of any US city in electronic music ever since I first started paying attention.

Ok, that explains a lot.


The UK has kinda always made better music than us in almost every genre--except rap, but that's because they don't have real black people, they have British black people. Look at the biggest names in EDM from, say, the 90s, and the UK represents more than the US, or any other individual nation. I'm not just fabricating this, you dicknose--most people with actual taste in this shit would agree with me.

I disagree completely that the UK makes better music, but that’s a whole other discussion. Obviously if you pick the biggest names of the 90s they’re going to British, the UK’s music industry is so entirely different from the US’ that it’s no surprise to anyone that the “good” EDM producers in the UK are far more popular than their American counterparts. Just look at the popularity of EDM here in America, why on earth would you pick the “big” names? Especially when in the 90s you still had House & Techno’s originators still going strong.


ORBIT: Nice reply, very even-handed and logical. Acknowledged good point about the UK taking its cues from the Detroit and Chicago scenes back in the day, but yes I was talking more specifically about 1990-today. I mean, if you go back far enough technically Germany gets all the credit cause Kraftwerk were pretty much the originators, right? But practically we're all pretty much entirely interested in what's transpired since the birth of the rave culture, are we not?

Well of course you would pick the 90s to today, if you didn’t you wouldn’t be able to make your point. Why not tell me what the UK has done better in the 00s and then we’ll talk.


In England 250,000 turned out for fucking Fatboy Slim for fuck's sake. Those people take this shit WAY more seriously than we do, and I see that dedication reflected in their performers.

I could go on and on about how the American music industry is biased against EDM, but whatever. They don’t take it more seriously, they just have more exposure to it because of the way their media is set up. If the US had a national radio station that was government-funded, I’m sure you’d see a lot more people taking EDM “seriously.”

I guess having responded to all that, my point is that you should move on from the 90s and look a little further than what's popular (which I didn't think I would ever have to say to anyone on this board).

thelastgreatman
03-02-2008, 07:56 PM
You seem to think I'm strictly talking about the big name artists, and I'm not.

The US does have a national radio station that's government funded, what the fuck are you talking about? NPR, dude.

It's not the music industry's fault that EDM isn't as big here, please. Jesus Christ, rationalize much?

joppy-slow
03-02-2008, 08:03 PM
so, what will be the best shows to see. similar to mstrkrft last year.

the closest set your going to get to mstrkfrt set from last year.. would be...

modeselektor
boyz noize
kavinsky
simian mobile disco
erol alkan


but if I was going to coachella this year.. i would check out:

diplo
a-track
deadmau5
above and beyond
sasha and digweed
the streets

Robototron
03-02-2008, 08:13 PM
You seem to think I'm strictly talking about the big name artists, and I'm not.

The US does have a national radio station that's government funded, what the fuck are you talking about? NPR, dude.

It's not the music industry's fault that EDM isn't as big here, please. Jesus Christ, rationalize much?

You know what I fucking mean. NPR and the BBC aren't even comparable, both in setup and in popularity. The music industry in the US and the UK are entirely different beasts, it almost pains me when people compare the two countries musically.

If you aren't talking about the big names, then who are you even talking about? You're the one that specifically mentioned the big names and talked about the popularity of Fatboy Slim, etc. All I've seen you talk about are the big names, which is cool, but like I said earlier, don't trash groups like Modeselektor and Booka Shade and talk about how spectacular the UK is when you obviously have such a shallow knowledge of EDM.

summerkid
03-02-2008, 09:52 PM
i dont understand why we are talking about US vs UK when Modeselektor and Booka Shade are German...

thelastgreatman
03-02-2008, 10:04 PM
You know what I fucking mean. NPR and the BBC aren't even comparable, both in setup and in popularity. The music industry in the US and the UK are entirely different beasts, it almost pains me when people compare the two countries musically.

If you aren't talking about the big names, then who are you even talking about? You're the one that specifically mentioned the big names and talked about the popularity of Fatboy Slim, etc. All I've seen you talk about are the big names, which is cool, but like I said earlier, don't trash groups like Modeselektor and Booka Shade and talk about how spectacular the UK is when you obviously have such a shallow knowledge of EDM.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that we want to reduce this to a list of names. Do I have to be like DIEHARD into EDM in order to know that I think Mode and Booka aren't as interesting as they're getting blown up to be on the board? Or to know that I don't care for their shit? But if you insist...

AT COACHELLA:
Pendulum (originally AU I know, but they moved to London because that's where good EDM acts would want to be), Simian,

IN GENERAL:
Carl Cox
Calyx
Backstage Sluts
Contraband
Tech Itch
UNKLE
Groove Armada (some)
Digital Filth
Speculum (Filth artists are becoming a go-to for me)
Mazzula
We Smoke Fags
Death In Vegas
Lab 4

Oh, and do I have to make a separate section for artists that have been around too long or are too famous to count towards validating my fucking opinion of Booka fucking Shade?

IF SO (and further evidence of the UK dominance):
Dave Clarke
Squarepusher
FSOL
The Prodigy
Basement Jaxx
Orbital
Stereo MCs

betao
03-02-2008, 10:09 PM
In England 250,000 turned out for fucking Fatboy Slim for fuck's sake. Those people take this shit WAY more seriously than we do, and I see that dedication reflected in their performers.



In 1997, the Prodigy played a free show in Moscow, at the heart of Red Square. It was estimated over 400,000 people showed up. Not exactly related to discussion, but interesting nonetheless.

betao
03-02-2008, 10:12 PM
Everything Orbit said about the EDM scene not getting any kind of real market here in the states is true. Quality, original EDM in the states hit its peak in the late 90s, when you had Prodigy and Chemical Brothers doing actual tours (I remember in a recent interview, Tom said they played in Kansas. KANSAS!). But sadly, like alot of music in America it seems, it was just a fad, as the hype only lasted a few years. The UK (and all of Europe for the most part) gladly welcome diverse EDM nowadays. We do not.

rage patton
03-02-2008, 10:25 PM
The Prodigy > any EDM any country has ever produced.

woogie846
03-02-2008, 10:28 PM
My personal five:

Fatboy Slim
Justice
Simian Mobile Disco
Hot Chip
dan le sac Vs Scroobius Pip

thelastgreatman
03-02-2008, 10:53 PM
Follow up to that list:

A lot of the IN GENERAL section are acts I discovered over the past couple months, trying to find interesting current EDM after having stopped paying attention to the entire scene since around 2001 when I stopped going to clubs in the city. A friend with a burgeoning house career who just got signed to Nervous Records had been asking for my input on his tracks, and I found relatively little mentioned on this board that seemed half as interesting as the shit we used to listen to during the ecstasy-three-times-a-week phase (the phase that initially caused me to like this kind of music at all).

I went to MySpace even though I hate it and decided to see what the house scene in LA looks like to evaluate how my buddy's shit would do in this area. And there was FUCKING NOTHING. Every... single... fucking... house... producer... in... LA... on... MySpace... was... utter... shite. It seemed really hard to believe that with like 14 million people there was absolutely no even shitty-house-but-good-for-shitty-house anywhere in the Los Angeles area according to MySpace.

So just to try to find some GOOD fucking music, I just started looking in the UK instead of the US, and there's fucking plenty. In every fucking subgenre, at least four or five acts that at least intrigued me, even in genres I don't generally like.

Honestly, I think the So Cal-centric nature of the board accounts for a lot of why what are in my opinion still mediocre acts somehow are eagerly anticipated--this part of the country just sucks for EDM, the same way it sucks for food and interesting conversation and lots of other stuff. It's SoCal--stuff around here is just shitty and tasteless, and that's how I feel, and the argument that I don't pay enough attention to EDM for my opinion to be valid is a bullshit argument. I don't feel like searching high and low to find worthwhile clubs and DJs here, and I don't like just listening to it in my free time not on drugs through little speakers.

But frankly you don't have to know shit about a genre of music to say whether or not it sucks. It's fucking music--either it pleases your ears or it doesn't. There's a lot of bizarre and confused EDM snobbery on here, and the entire idea that "you have to be into the scene to know enough to have an opinion" is a fucking crock. It's not like this is some highly conceptual, intellectual art form--IT'S FUCKING CLUB MUSIC. Any idiot can make it with just a computer, and don't try and say it's not really that easy because it IS practically that easy.

If there's one kind of music anyone ought to be able to judge freely it's dance music, 'cause the urge to dance isn't exactly something you have to learn or study or become educated in. Stop acting like your some kind of wise sage talking to an unlearned philistine about music where there aren't even any fucking instruments played.

Bosco
03-02-2008, 11:04 PM
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=28359067

waw00t waw00t waw00t

orbit
03-02-2008, 11:05 PM
You just need where to look at, lgm

http://www.myspace.com/daedelusdarling

thelastgreatman
03-02-2008, 11:07 PM
... that's an interesting link to throw up following that sentence.

Experimental/Experimental/Experimental genres, huh? What assholes.

deeznutz
03-02-2008, 11:10 PM
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that we want to reduce this to a list of names. Do I have to be like DIEHARD into EDM in order to know that I think Mode and Booka aren't as interesting as they're getting blown up to be on the board? Or to know that I don't care for their shit? But if you insist...

AT COACHELLA:
Pendulum (originally AU I know, but they moved to London because that's where good EDM acts would want to be), Simian,

IN GENERAL:
Carl Cox
Calyx
Backstage Sluts
Contraband
Tech Itch
UNKLE
Groove Armada (some)
Digital Filth
Speculum (Filth artists are becoming a go-to for me)
Mazzula
We Smoke Fags
Death In Vegas
Lab 4

Oh, and do I have to make a separate section for artists that have been around too long or are too famous to count towards validating my fucking opinion of Booka fucking Shade?

IF SO (and further evidence of the UK dominance):
Dave Clarke
Squarepusher
FSOL
The Prodigy
Basement Jaxx
Orbital
Stereo MCs

Universal as in people from all over the world produce outstanding "edm" and music in general. Your an idiot if you think the best "edm" coming out right now is from the UK.

I'd say besides Carl Cox, and some of your "around too long or are too famous" names, thats pretty far from a solid list of "edm" acts. Hell that's even a shallow list of stand-out UK artists. I mean srsly, you didn't even mention Shpongle, James Holden, Boards Of Canada, James Zabiela, Sasha, Digweed, Surgeon, Underworld, Aphex Twin, Portishead, Luke Vibert, WayoutWest/nickwarren, Massive Attack, LFO, Lee Burridge, Autechre, Craig Richards, or Ben Sims for starters.

Here's a fun dumb quote of yours:

"The UK has kinda always made better music than us in almost every genre"

thelastgreatman
03-02-2008, 11:22 PM
Yeah, I didn't really think that mentioning Boards of Canada, Sasha and Digweed, Underworld, Aphex, Portishead, or Massive Attack would be particularly germaine to the question "Well besides the huge name acts from before 2000, who do you know?" I could've mentioned Chemical Brothers too, but that doesn't really prove shit, now does it? Dumb fuck.

And the UK has made better music than us in almost every genre. ugh, jesus, fuck yourself.

Wheres the beef?
03-02-2008, 11:56 PM
Why has nobody mentioned Does It Offend You, Yeah??

I would consider them electro. Maybe not DJ. But I would think they are going to be in the Sahara.

Wheres the beef?
03-02-2008, 11:57 PM
And the UK has made better music than us in almost every genre. ugh, jesus, fuck yourself.

Almost key word. At least all meaningful genre's. I'm sure they are going to let us have country music.

DrDank551
03-03-2008, 12:14 AM
I love how this thread went from a best of list to a fucking geography lesson, LASTGREATMAN Your still an ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thelastgreatman
03-03-2008, 12:15 AM
Universal as in people from all over the world produce outstanding "edm" and music in general. Your an idiot if you think the best "edm" coming out right now is from the UK.

I'd say besides Carl Cox, and some of your "around too long or are too famous" names, thats pretty far from a solid list of "edm" acts. Hell that's even a shallow list of stand-out UK artists. I mean srsly, you didn't even mention Shpongle, James Holden, Boards Of Canada, James Zabiela, Sasha, Digweed, Surgeon, Underworld, Aphex Twin, Portishead, Luke Vibert, WayoutWest/nickwarren, Massive Attack, LFO, Lee Burridge, Autechre, Craig Richards, or Ben Sims for starters.

Here's a fun dumb quote of yours:

"The UK has kinda always made better music than us in almost every genre"

BTW, now that we've accumulated a list of just about all the best EDM acts of the last two decades and established that they're all from the UK... what exactly is your argument? Who are the US artists who stack up against all those names?

thelastgreatman
03-03-2008, 12:17 AM
I love how this thread went from a best of list to a fucking geography lesson, LASTGREATMAN Your still an ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry that those acts are boring and I felt like pointing it out. It's not my fault all you twerps leap at the opportunity to argue with me even though you'll never, ever come close to coming out on top.

superfiction
03-03-2008, 01:35 AM
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=28359067

waw00t waw00t waw00t

SICK

JoshTheBoyd
03-03-2008, 01:48 AM
Sorry that those acts are boring and I felt like pointing it out. It's not my fault all you twerps leap at the opportunity to argue with me even though you'll never, ever come close to coming out on top.

dude, get off the internet.

thelastgreatman
03-03-2008, 01:52 AM
Dude, change your fucking avatar. This isn't myspace, you California suburban stereotype epitomize.

thelastgreatman
03-03-2008, 01:53 AM
Oh, and CLASSY shaped beard scruff you got going on there. What are you, 17?





(eagerly awaits insults about my avatar's looks)

brando4n82
03-03-2008, 07:35 AM
I cant help but comment that your avatar has the same amount of myspace quilties, duder

thelastgreatman
03-03-2008, 09:44 AM
Um... excuse me? As much as this avatar is just... well, we all know why it's funny, but it still looks less douchey than the fucking two-finger peace sign right into the webcam. He should just make a W with the other hand and then he can be pure Cali cliche with no filler.

darthlaker
03-03-2008, 10:52 AM
EVERYONE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT BOYS NOIZE LIKE DAFT PUNK IN 2006, SO DO NOT MISS HIM

brando4n82
03-03-2008, 10:54 AM
EVERYONE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT BOYS NOIZE LIKE DAFT PUNK IN 2006, SO DO NOT MISS HIM

Had to tone down your font size... but um anyways, i think this face sums my thoughts up.. :rolleyes

MassiveChemicalPunk
03-03-2008, 11:21 AM
I'm all alone in going to see Junkie XL

I'll def check him out. Some people didn't like "Today" but i thinks its great.

Sonicifyouwantit
03-03-2008, 11:21 AM
EVERYONE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT BOYS NOIZE LIKE DAFT PUNK IN 2006, SO DO NOT MISS HIM

little too excited and when I say little what I mean is much...but I am very happy that boys noize will be there...he isnt going to have a light show anywhere near daft though...that comparison just wont work.

uscrocks003
03-03-2008, 02:27 PM
wait hold up- im not trying to be a dick or anything but all the vids i've seen of kraftwerk appear to be more visually appearing then, well, musical. am i watching the wrong stuff? can someone show me some kick ass kraftwerk please?? thanks!

Sonicifyouwantit
03-03-2008, 03:45 PM
wait hold up- im not trying to be a dick or anything but all the vids i've seen of kraftwerk appear to be more visually appearing then, well, musical. am i watching the wrong stuff? can someone show me some kick ass kraftwerk please?? thanks!

you arent going to find anything that is considered kick ass in 2008 (unless you think kraftwerk kicks ass in any year/era) from them since they have been around since the 70s. It will most likely come off as dated to many. Dont go to roger waters thinking you are gonna hear the latest in rock, same goes for kraftwerk.

uscrocks003
03-03-2008, 03:47 PM
right right. thanks

thelastgreatman
03-03-2008, 04:13 PM
Kraftwerk's show is gonna be a new one. I'm hoping they're pissed off Daft became the most famous robots and are planning something to reclaim their throne. But that's probably wishful thinking.

Robototron
03-03-2008, 04:26 PM
LGM, I don't really feel like responding to everything you've said since I last posted, but like I said earlier, I don't have a problem with you talking shit about Booka Shade or liking whoever you like, I'm not THAT much of a snob. Just don't make ridiculous statements like "the UK has the best EDM" like you're some expert and expect people not to disagree with you.

Also, Daedelus is the man.

thelastgreatman
03-03-2008, 04:42 PM
You can disagree with me all you want, the statement is absolutely accurate from the 90s through early 00s. The last few years are debatable just because there haven't really been any breakout acts recently that acheived Chem Bros/Underworld/Prodigy/Fatboy level recognition, but there were practically no US acts that EVER acheived that. MTV doesn't play videos anymore, radio over here doesn't play EDM, and the DEA killed rave culture.

Seriously, I attribute all the blame for America's drop in interest in EDM to the DEA cracking down on ecstasy. It's not a coincidence that when they started enforcing harder in 2000/2001 raves and EDM suddenly disappeared back into a niche thing.

I think it's illogical to believe that after 15 years of being the place that set the trends for this entire genre of music Britain has suddenly lost all of that. Personally, I still hear a huge difference. But the statement "the UK has the best EDM" is one no one was even remotely an expert would have argued with from 1990 until just a few years ago. If you honestly think that statement is "ridiculous," which would mean that it's so far from truth as to be laughable, then YOU are the motherfucker that needs to do some research.

When the fuck did you get into this music that you weren't aware of how hard the UK owned everyone for most of our lives?

Lazaro
03-03-2008, 04:42 PM
1-sasha/digweed
2-Fatboy slim
3-Booka Shade
4-Modeselektor
5-Sandra Collins



the best edm music today= Deutschland

thelastgreatman
03-03-2008, 04:47 PM
Also, while I was making that list last night it occured to me how great it would be if Coach booked Tech Itch. They should just do it and slot them around 9 in the Sahara, just to take all those people coming up on their e pills and EAT THEIR FUCKING SOULS OUT THROUGH THEIR ASSES. We talk about melting faces a lot on this board, but none of this bullshit would compare to how much I'd enjoy watching all those "raving lunatics" turn into actual raving lunatics, running around cracking open skulls left and right to feast on the goo inside.

nationocean
03-03-2008, 04:47 PM
You're not looking hard enough, North American music and dj hotspots:

Chicago
Fort Collins, CO
Toronto/Montreal
New Mexico
Austin

nationocean
03-03-2008, 04:51 PM
Darthlarker - Yeah fucking right buddy. Keep dreaming that dream.

thelastgreatman
03-03-2008, 04:52 PM
You're not looking hard enough, North American music hotspots:

Chicago
Fort Collins, CO
Toronto/Montreal
New Mexico
Austin

...


...


Yeah, don't buy it. I've been to several of the bigger clubs in Montreal, and they played UTTER shit.

nationocean
03-03-2008, 04:54 PM
alot of the people i'm talking about don't play gigs at crappy clubs or signed by indie labels. guess you just gotta know 'em or you don't.

plus i think you just start threads to get your post count up. so it doesn't really matter..

thelastgreatman
03-03-2008, 04:58 PM
You have a lot of theories, clearly. Are all of them this full of shit?

kayvee
03-03-2008, 05:00 PM
seriously, is anyone going to coachella just for a good time?!
because that really seems to be most important
instead of constantly fighting over which DJ sets are better
just go to the ones you think are best and have a good fucking time!

on that note, im totally going for boys noize, fatboy slim, justice, diplo and modeselektor :D

HongKongDon
03-03-2008, 05:03 PM
Kraftwerk
Modeselektor
Booka Shade
Simian Mobile Disco
Boys Noize

I haven't seen the first two on that list but I have seen Booka Shade, SMD, and Boys Noize. When it comes to seeing their live shows, that is the order I would rank them as.

nationocean
03-03-2008, 05:16 PM
You have a lot of theories, clearly. Are all of them this full of shit?

Hmm theories.. you've started threads about sucking cock to the grey album, 2pac and biggie or some shit.. for fucksakes..

GET A JOB OR SOMETHING..


and I have a job, I just need to stop reading this site and posting. lol.

thelastgreatman
03-03-2008, 05:23 PM
I start threads about sucking cock professionally, dicknose.

uscrocks003
03-03-2008, 05:36 PM
seriously, is anyone going to coachella just for a good time?!
because that really seems to be most important
instead of constantly fighting over which DJ sets are better
just go to the ones you think are best and have a good fucking time!

on that note, im totally going for boys noize, fatboy slim, justice, diplo and modeselektor :D

haha exactly. electro is the way to go when it comes to wanting to have a good time. holy camoly

amyzzz
03-03-2008, 06:06 PM
I start threads about sucking cock professionally, dicknose.
rofl.

greghead
03-03-2008, 07:58 PM
is james zabiela good ?

Yes. I caught James Zabiela and Nic Fanciulli in London at the Ministry of Sound last March. Mad live skills. But I was also on four pills, which surely could have altered my sensory responses

greghead
03-03-2008, 08:06 PM
LGM, I don't really feel like responding to everything you've said since I last posted, but like I said earlier, I don't have a problem with you talking shit about Booka Shade or liking whoever you like, I'm not THAT much of a snob. Just don't make ridiculous statements like "the UK has the best EDM" like you're some expert and expect people not to disagree with you.

Also, Daedelus is the man.

Have you ever been to Britain, or Europe for that matter? The DJs at normal, every weekend clubs and bars are better than most of the American acts playing Sahara this year. Go to any club in London or Belin or Prague or wherever, I promise you will be impressed by how good they are. With that being said, think about how good one has to be to draw a crowd, not even considering getting top-level booking/promotion and record contracts.

Just think of the talent 10 years ago when EDM was much more popular and in the mainstream.

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 02:20 AM
Also, there's that whole thing where if you didn't notice, the UK is headlining two out of the three nights in the Sahara this year. Frogs have the other night.


Seriously, you fucking cunts are deluded. Crawl out of this tunnel-vision bullshit where you think your area is really innovative in whatever the fuck subgenre you're feeling superior about, and realize that the US is just a bunch of mini-markets compared to the hub that is London.

Has been, still is. Never really changed, guys--we were just distracted with Daft Punk for a couple years.

summerkid
03-04-2008, 09:54 AM
well sure sasha and digweed are headlining the sahara, but i mean they aren't the dance headliner for saturday that would be Kraftwerk.

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 09:59 AM
Well I said Sahara headliner for a reason. And I disagree, 'cause Kraftwerk is electronic music but not really "dance music." Moving them out of the tent is appropriate I think as it allows the ravers to keep on raving.

Robototron
03-04-2008, 05:10 PM
Have you ever been to Britain, or Europe for that matter? The DJs at normal, every weekend clubs and bars are better than most of the American acts playing Sahara this year. Go to any club in London or Belin or Prague or wherever, I promise you will be impressed by how good they are. With that being said, think about how good one has to be to draw a crowd, not even considering getting top-level booking/promotion and record contracts.

Just think of the talent 10 years ago when EDM was much more popular and in the mainstream.

I'm not arguing the the US has the best EDM, where did I say that (although I would've if we were talking late 80s, early 90s). I just don't think the UK is, or has ever been, the best in EDM. Regardless, I prefer Germany.

Sorry that I can look past popularity in order to judge good music, apparently LGM can't. Seriously, the fact that someone who views the Chem Bros, Fatboy Slim, etc. as the pinnacle of 90s EDM told me to do my "research" is hilarious. Maybe you should research more than what made it onto MTV in the 90s?

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 06:15 PM
Actually, the list was more like 45 of the 50 most influential acts of our time. Just to clarify.

Honestly, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. (And Underworld IS the pinnacle of 90s EDM, once again)

jazzz
03-04-2008, 08:59 PM
I'm not arguing the the US has the best EDM, where did I say that (although I would've if we were talking late 80s, early 90s). I just don't think the UK is, or has ever been, the best in EDM. Regardless, I prefer Germany.

Sorry that I can look past popularity in order to judge good music, apparently LGM can't. Seriously, the fact that someone who views the Chem Bros, Fatboy Slim, etc. as the pinnacle of 90s EDM told me to do my "research" is hilarious. Maybe you should research more than what made it onto MTV in the 90s?

VERY TRUE

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 09:03 PM
Ugh, I'm seriously not talking about fucking music on this board anymore. You people are so aggressively fucking ignorant it's unbelievable.

No one who knows anything about EDM would debate that the UK dominated the entire world for the entire length of the rave culture. Go fuck yourselves. Please post a list of the competition from other countries that you think stacks up against all the acts I listed and all the acts that other guy was nice enough to volunteer like a dumbshit.

jazzz
03-04-2008, 09:23 PM
Ugh, I'm seriously not talking about fucking music on this board anymore. You people are so aggressively fucking ignorant it's unbelievable.

No one who knows anything about EDM would debate that the UK dominated the entire world for the entire length of the rave culture. Go fuck yourselves. Please post a list of the competition from other countries that you think stacks up against all the acts I listed and all the acts that other guy was nice enough to volunteer like a dumbshit.

lol Randy I probally agree with the UK thing vs US but I think that the artist you are using for argument are laughable and I personally think Germany at the moment is on. Just depends on depends what type of genre you are into.

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 09:26 PM
The artists I was using were examples listed under the pretense of "cannot be attributed as a popular act from more than a few years ago" basically. I shouldn't have to list shit--we could list them all fucking day.

jazzz
03-04-2008, 09:38 PM
The artists I was using were examples listed under the pretense of "cannot be attributed as a popular act from more than a few years ago" basically. I shouldn't have to list shit--we could list them all fucking day.

I'm saying if your going to say the UK was better back in the 90's I would not be using Chemical Bros ATB Fat Boy Slim as amo.. and I seemed to like a lot of UK/Europe producers myself but the US does and did have a lot of good producers that were around in the 90's

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 09:46 PM
Did I cite Chemical Bros or Fatboy? No, someone else did. Were they two of the most successful acts in the fucking history of EDM? Yes. I don't even understand what the fuck you dumb cunts think you're arguing anymore. The US had some good EDM producers in the 90s? Of course we did. Does that not mean that UK artists still DOMINATED the whole fucking scene? Cause they did.

List your US producers from the time period. PLEASE.

jazzz
03-04-2008, 10:01 PM
I was just listening to a recent live Booka set. Look, it's not bad, it's pretty good and all, but it's not spectacular. It seems to be the most hyped act of the Sahara this year and I just don't see it being deserving of that much praise, that's all.

And as far as the "sure the albums suck but live is a whole different story," that's kinda a double-edged sword. On one hand--live performance is EVERYTHING in EDM when you get right down to it. But on the other hand--there's no fucking excuse whatsoever to put out boring albums when you make vastly more interesting live sets out of them.

And yes, I know that album tracks are kinda inherently always gonna be less exciting because if they're too full they can't be mixed in with other tracks as easily live, but goddammit they don't have to be COMPLETELY fucking boring.

ORBIT: Nice reply, very even-handed and logical. Acknowledged good point about the UK taking its cues from the Detroit and Chicago scenes back in the day, but yes I was talking more specifically about 1990-today. I mean, if you go back far enough technically Germany gets all the credit cause Kraftwerk were pretty much the originators, right? But practically we're all pretty much entirely interested in what's transpired since the birth of the rave culture, are we not?

Your mentions of how much more emphasis on EDM there is in European festivals in general compared to US fests is kinda exactly what I'm talking about--specifically I think UK artists have consistently been a step above the rest, but EDM in general is a way bigger deal overseas than it is here. We have rave-specific festivals, but I don't think you're even allowed to put on a festival in Europe without a FUCKLOAD of dance artists. The UK in particular seems to be a discerning crowd which either stems from the high quality of their artists or causes the high quality of their artists.

Over here most people aren't "into" EDM to any significant degree, it's still kinda the biggest niche genre, especially since the rave scene peaked and fell. Daft was the first electronic act in the last several years to reach major festival headliner status and it took a revolutionary show to achieve that crossover status.

In England 250,000 turned out for fucking Fatboy Slim for fuck's sake. Those people take this shit WAY more seriously than we do, and I see that dedication reflected in their performers.



Plus, as always, they have Underworld and thus they win.

um.. Fatboy Slim??? who care's if 250,000 people turn out for that. 250,000 would turn out to Jack Johnson twat. and he is crap! obviously you don't care for electronic music unless your on a pill and thats ok but just stick with what you know. I'm not going to list my producers so you can google them and listen to a track for 10secs and say they suck and you knew about them already etc.

Robototron
03-04-2008, 10:02 PM
Ugh, I'm seriously not talking about fucking music on this board anymore. You people are so aggressively fucking ignorant it's unbelievable.

No one who knows anything about EDM would debate that the UK dominated the entire world for the entire length of the rave culture. Go fuck yourselves. Please post a list of the competition from other countries that you think stacks up against all the acts I listed and all the acts that other guy was nice enough to volunteer like a dumbshit.

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/9/b/1/9b19b2b16467306ae1401e1f882e680f.gif

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 10:05 PM
No no no, I'm not even talking about debating quality. I don't have to debate quality. There's no fucking comparison. Fatboy was used as an example of WHY big acts come out of there--because you couldn't get 250,000 Americans near a rave for any lineup in the world.

Motherfuckers, how can you all claim to know jack shit about this and not know this simple fucking fact? I'm asking you to list as many US producers from the 90s that you would consider remotely comparable to the influence of the UK. You have Crystal Method to start--how many more do you want to put up?

jazzz
03-04-2008, 10:15 PM
No no no, I'm not even talking about debating quality. I don't have to debate quality. There's no fucking comparison. Fatboy was used as an example of WHY big acts come out of there--because you couldn't get 250,000 Americans near a rave for any lineup in the world.

Motherfuckers, how can you all claim to know jack shit about this and not know this simple fucking fact? I'm asking you to list as many US producers from the 90s that you would consider remotely comparable to the influence of the UK. You have Crystal Method to start--how many more do you want to put up?

haha! that's what I'm talking about with you... I got Crystal Method to start with?? no I don't have Crystal Meth to start with they are shit. I'm not defending US as I said I enjoy UK probaly better but is that the best you can pull out for the US?? It shows you don't know shit or respect electronic music. Quit using google! and learn it... but you got to love it first

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 10:18 PM
FUCK YOU. Either one of you dumb cunts is gonna list some fucking acts that sold some fucking records or shut the fuck up.

orbit
03-04-2008, 10:25 PM
US techno wins hands down.

No UK techno djs can top Juan Atkins/Mills/Craig/Saunderson/May.

jazzz
03-04-2008, 10:27 PM
FUCK YOU. Either one of you dumb cunts is gonna list some fucking acts that sold some fucking records or shut the fuck up.

your the twat that thinks "gee with 1,000,0000 sold they are safe to like.. How many Michael Jackson cd's ya got.. oh you must got some Jack Johnson since he must be good cos he sold 1,000,0000 of units. LGM your good at making fun of people you make me laugh but it pains me to see you here talkin' like you know your shit about music. Not saying you don't know anything about music but on this electronic thread you are making yourself look like the only child twat!

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 10:30 PM
In the 90s?

I'll bet without even bothering to check that UK techno artists outsold US techno artists IN THE US by at least 2:1 during the rave era. If you want to try and argue that even though they were insanely more influential over here than we ourselves were we were still secretly better, fine, I guess, go ahead. But let's see some fucking names and do some comparing.

Everybody wants to talk shit about this without anything to back it up. But I'm assuming you were talking about techno TODAY, Orbit. No?

orbit
03-04-2008, 10:30 PM
But UK breaks wins by far.

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 10:31 PM
your the twat that thinks "gee with 1,000,0000 sold they are safe to like.. How many Michael Jackson cd's ya got.. oh you must got some Jack Johnson since he must be good cos he sold 1,000,0000 of units. LGM your good at making fun of people you make me laugh but it pains me to see you here talkin' like you know your shit about music. Not saying you don't know anything about music but on this electronic thread you are making yourself look like the only child twat!

Were you even conscious during that time period? Is that what this is about? Were you actually paying attention? I don't think you have even the foggiest fucking idea what you're talking about.

And are you trying to claim Michael Jackson is bad music? Are you fucking retarded?

Robototron
03-04-2008, 10:33 PM
that sold some fucking records

Hahahaha, of course. :rolleyes

Honestly, I could name any early Detroit or Chicago producer still making music in the 90s, thus making this entire argument pointless.

orbit
03-04-2008, 10:36 PM
Everybody wants to talk shit about this without anything to back it up. But I'm assuming you were talking about techno TODAY, Orbit. No?

Today and yesterday. Those US techno djs are easily within the top 10 most respected ones in the world -in the techno category-, and not just because some of them are founders but because they still produce some of the best techno sounds in the world nowadays.

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 10:36 PM
THEN FUCKING DO IT. Less talk, more fucking show. All you bitches do is throw out conjecture: let's see some fucking evidence.

Robototron
03-04-2008, 10:36 PM
If you want to try and argue that even though they were insanely more influential over here than we ourselves were we were still secretly better, fine, I guess, go ahead.

You officially have no fucking clue as to what you're talking about.

jazzz
03-04-2008, 10:37 PM
In the 90s?

I'll bet without even bothering to check that UK techno artists outsold US techno artists IN THE US by at least 2:1 during the rave era. If you want to try and argue that even though they were insanely more influential over here than we ourselves were we were still secretly better, fine, I guess, go ahead. But let's see some fucking names and do some comparing.

Everybody wants to talk shit about this without anything to back it up. But I'm assuming you were talking about techno TODAY, Orbit. No?

again I'm not holding up for the US but I don't think it matters who sell's the most records so why look at it that way unless your just to lazy to listen to the music... I'll take Pan-Sonic over fucking Underworld but oh.. Underworld sells more so I must take them instead??? Randy go ahead and list your top US producers that you know about

Robototron
03-04-2008, 10:37 PM
THEN FUCKING DO IT. Less talk, more fucking show. All you bitches do is throw out conjecture: let's see some fucking evidence.

Are you fucking kidding? Orbit just did and you obviously have no idea who any of them are, so what difference does it make?

jazzz
03-04-2008, 10:39 PM
But UK breaks wins by far.

true... always has

orbit
03-04-2008, 10:39 PM
And well, UK wins in IDM too. Not by too much, though.

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 10:40 PM
again I'm not holding up for the US but I don't think it matters who sell's the most records so why look at it that way unless your just to lazy to listen to the music... I'll take Pan-Sonic over fucking Underworld but oh.. Underworld sells more so I must take them instead??? Randy go ahead and list your top US producers that you know about

Taking anyone over Underworld is fucking idiotic--AND PAN SONIC IS FUCKING FINNISH. ASSHOLE. You don't know what you're talking about.


Are you fucking kidding? Orbit just did and you obviously have no idea who any of them are, so what difference does it make?

Orbit didn't list any acts--he tried to claim an entire genre. And he hasn't backed it the fuck up.


PUT UP OR SHUT UP YOU IGNORANT FAGGOTS.

Robototron
03-04-2008, 10:41 PM
Taking anyone over Underworld is fucking idiotic--AND PAN SONIC IS FUCKING FINNISH. ASSHOLE. You don't know what you're talking about.

Hey, look what Google can do for you!


Orbit didn't list any acts--he tried to claim an entire genre. And he hasn't backed it the fuck up.

No UK techno djs can top Juan Atkins/Mills/Craig/Saunderson/May.

orbit
03-04-2008, 10:41 PM
How do you want me to back it up? Showing you billboard charts?

I was talking only about techno, not electronic music in general.

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 10:42 PM
And well, UK wins in IDM too. Not by too much, though.

C'mon, Orbit--I actually respect your opinion, but I'm tired of this shit. Either give me five artists who you think were beating the UK in techno in the 90s or fuck off.

luckyface
03-04-2008, 10:43 PM
And well, UK wins in IDM too. Not by too much, though.

Overall or vs. the US? I think it is pretty safe to say the UK dominates IDM.

orbit
03-04-2008, 10:43 PM
TECHNO:

Juan Atkins
Jeff Mills
Kevin Saunderson
Derrick May
Carl Craig


Now, give me 5 techno artists from the UK who could beat the ones I mentioned.

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 10:44 PM
Hey, look what Google can do for you!



No UK techno djs can top Juan Atkins/Mills/Craig/Saunderson/May.


Holy fuck, how can you dumb assholes not understand the concept of what was influential in the 90s? You really wanna stack what those artists turned out in that decade against the UK? Ya sure?

orbit
03-04-2008, 10:45 PM
I think tlgm is calling techno to electronic music.

orbit
03-04-2008, 10:47 PM
Overall or vs. the US? I think it is pretty safe to say the UK dominates IDM.

Yeah, vs the US. Here there are great ones too, but less known.

Robototron
03-04-2008, 10:47 PM
Holy fuck, how can you dumb assholes not understand the concept of what was influential in the 90s? You really wanna stack what those artists turned out in that decade against the UK? Ya sure?

Are you seriously telling me that guys like Jeff fucking Mills weren't influential in the 90s?

And yeah, orbit, that would explain why he keeps going on and on about the Chemical Brothers or whoever the fuck.

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 10:48 PM
Hey, look what Google can do for you!



No UK techno djs can top Juan Atkins/Mills/Craig/Saunderson/May.



TECHNO:

Juan Atkins
Jeff Mills
Kevin Saunderson
Derrick May
Carl Craig


Now, give me 5 techno artists from the UK who could beat the ones I mentioned.

Hahahahaha... did you two just pull up the same google results? Just an interesting coinky-dink.

Sure. Remember, we're talking about in the 90s. I'll give you three that win it without even trying to look anything up, thanks.

Aphex
Orbital
Underworld

Are we going to argue about whether or not it's accurate to say that they fall within techno? Cause we all know how you bitches are with your genre definitions.

Robototron
03-04-2008, 10:49 PM
Yeah, vs the US. Here there are great ones too, but less known.

Yeah, the UK definitely has the better big names. I agree that the UK beats the US at IDM, but I don't think they could take on the whole world.

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 10:49 PM
I will pull up the artists own definitions of their genres. If we can't use that as a basis, fuck off.


Am I seriously saying that they were AS influential? Meaning that the shit they released in the 90s got spun 1/3 as much as UK shit did OVER HERE? YES.

Robototron
03-04-2008, 10:51 PM
Hahahahaha... did you two just pull up the same google results? Just an interesting coinky-dink.

Sure. Remember, we're talking about in the 90s. I'll give you three that win it without even trying to look anything up, thanks.

Aphex
Orbital
Underworld

Are we going to argue about whether or not it's accurate to say that they fall within techno? Cause we all know how you bitches are with your genre definitions.

I was quoting him, obviously.

You might as well try and argue that the Wu-Tang Clan is a fucking rock band because that's basically what you're doing right now. All EDM isn't Techno you complete half-wit.

jazzz
03-04-2008, 10:51 PM
[QUOTE=thelastgreatman;492123]Taking anyone over Underworld is fucking idiotic--AND PAN SONIC IS FUCKING FINNISH. ASSHOLE. You don't know what you're talking about.

I see you googled that.. haha but my point is who gives a fuck about sales? the good shit doesn't sale well cos we got too many lazy cunts like yourself that can't figure it out. And yes butthole I was buying electronic music djing and enjoying E in all sorts of various illegal spots while you where being breast feed. you TwAT

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 10:52 PM
I'm sorry--would you like to tell the acts not to consider themselves as having been part of the genre? Cause they do.

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 10:53 PM
[QUOTE=thelastgreatman;492123]Taking anyone over Underworld is fucking idiotic--AND PAN SONIC IS FUCKING FINNISH. ASSHOLE. You don't know what you're talking about.

I see you googled that.. haha but my point is who gives a fuck about sales? the good shit doesn't sale well cos we got too many lazy cunts like yourself that can't figure it out. And yes butthole I was buying electronic music djing and enjoying E in all sorts of various illegal spots while you where being breast feed. you TwAT

Oh clearly you were--after all, you managed to cite a band that isn't even from this country. You must have been very hip.


If you're going to try and claim Underworld are unimportant, you have no business in here at all.

jazzz
03-04-2008, 10:55 PM
Hey, look what Google can do for you!



No UK techno djs can top Juan Atkins/Mills/Craig/Saunderson/May.


LOL

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 10:57 PM
You're citing the fucking Detroit techno movement for Christ's sake. Yes, we all know they crafted it--IN THE 80S.

orbit
03-04-2008, 11:03 PM
They crafted it in the 80s and worked it up in the 90s. I asked you to name 5 techno djs from the UK who can top them. Aphex's TECHNO releases has not been better than Atkins'.

Actually, he hasnt released anything entirely techno in the 90s. Analord series were 2000s.

Robototron
03-04-2008, 11:04 PM
You're citing the fucking Detroit techno movement for Christ's sake. Yes, we all know they crafted it--IN THE 80S.

You are aware that the movement continued well into the 90s and that many of the genres biggest names didn't even begin producing and/or produce their seminal work UNTIL the 90s, correct? Or did you stop reading Wikipedia before you got that far?

jazzz
03-04-2008, 11:05 PM
[QUOTE=jazzz;492143]

Oh clearly you were--after all, you managed to cite a band that isn't even from this country. You must have been very hip.


If you're going to try and claim Underworld are unimportant, you have no business in here at all.

asshole I never said Pansonic were from the US... I wasn't fighting for the US I was laughing at your heavy hitter big UK acts....

PS. Underworld had to release that 2 disc singles best of a few years back cos they new it wasn't gonna date well for a later release

PSS. lucky for you you got the Propellerheads

luckyface
03-04-2008, 11:06 PM
Yeah, vs the US. Here there are great ones too, but less known.

I'd be interested in hearing some of them. What are some of the better ones, in your opinion?

jazzz
03-04-2008, 11:08 PM
LGM what is your most loved electronic genre? we might be able to help you out so you don't get stuck cruising LA with Paul Oakenfold trying to pull

jazzz
03-04-2008, 11:08 PM
I'd be interested in hearing some of them. What are some of the better ones, in your opinion?

lets hear yours first

orbit
03-04-2008, 11:11 PM
Jungle/Drum and bass also goes for the UK.

So yeah, UK 'wins' in most electronic music genres. But to say they 'have kinda always made better music than us in almost every genre--except rap,' is very arguable.

Good thing many UK producers are moving to the US, though. So hopefully that will open a bigger market for new stuff, and we will have our own bang face festival.

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 11:14 PM
They crafted it in the 80s and worked it up in the 90s. I asked you to name 5 techno djs from the UK who can top them. Aphex's TECHNO releases has not been better than Atkins'.

Actually, he hasnt released anything entirely techno in the 90s. Analord series were 2000s.

Selected Ambient 1 wasn't ambient techno? Tell it to his label.


You are aware that the movement continued well into the 90s and that many of the genres biggest names didn't even begin producing and/or produce their seminal work UNTIL the 90s, correct? Or did you stop reading Wikipedia before you got that far?

Sure they kept spinning--were they remotely as influential with the music they made in the 90s? No. Not hardly. And you fucking know they weren't--or you're just talking out of your ass.

You're the bitch that ran right to Google, by the way.

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 11:15 PM
LGM what is your most loved electronic genre? we might be able to help you out so you don't get stuck cruising LA with Paul Oakenfold trying to pull

Yeah I really doubt you have anything I'm interested in. Mostly AIDS. You've still listed exactly one act, and in the process tried to go against Underworld. You're a dumb whore. Thank you.

luckyface
03-04-2008, 11:15 PM
lets hear yours first

From the US? I don't really know many, that is why I was asking.

Off the top of my head, I would say:

Boom Bip
Dntel (although his last album suuuuuucked)
Single Cell Orchestra
Sparrow Orange
Thievery Corporation
Tycho

There are a couple of others that I think might be from the US, but I am not sure. I have a couple of others that might be classified as IDM by some, but I wouldn't put them in that category so I left them out.

My UK list would quadruple that.

jazzz
03-04-2008, 11:17 PM
Jungle/Drum and bass also goes for the UK.

So yeah, UK 'wins' in most electronic music genres. But to say they 'have kinda always made better music than us in almost every genre--except rap,' is very arguable.

Good thing many UK producers are moving to the US, though. So hopefully that will open a bigger market for new stuff, and we will have our own bang face festival.

yes.. I have a lot of great Jungle/DnB from 93/94 that still fucking sounds great today... I can't get enough DnB

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 11:18 PM
Also, seriously--are we ignoring The Baron Of Fucking Techno?

jazzz
03-04-2008, 11:23 PM
Also, seriously--are we ignoring The Baron Of Fucking Techno?

just stick to what you know and you should be ok senor

PS. Punk has had a big influence on great bands you fucking wanker!!

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 11:24 PM
Are we going to claim Chicago house as winning house for the 90s too? Just saying. =)

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 11:25 PM
just stick to what you know and you should be ok senor

PS. Punk has had a big influence on great bands you fucking wanker!!

So far you've displayed absolutely NO knowledge of anything--only claimed to have superior knowledge while expressing fucking stupid opinions.

jazzz
03-04-2008, 11:27 PM
Also, seriously--are we ignoring The Baron Of Fucking Techno?

well let's just say you lose to lack of knowledge and that's a fact. But I think we still think your funny and all and look forward to your new threads bout boobs n' asses! yeah!

orbit
03-04-2008, 11:27 PM
I'd be interested in hearing some of them. What are some of the better ones, in your opinion?

I think I mentioned some posts ago, but some experimental/idm off the top of my head

Prefuse 73
L'usine
Daedelus
Casino vs Japan
Cepia
The Books
Richard Devine
ediT .. also has pretty good material
Nautilis ..kinda more chillout, you'll like it.

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 11:29 PM
well let's just say you lose to lack of knowledge and that's a fact. But I think we still think your funny and all and look forward to your new threads bout boobs n' asses! yeah!

You don't know anything about what you're claiming to talk about. You don't. And it's kinda obvious since you apparently have only secret tastes in music.

jazzz
03-04-2008, 11:29 PM
Are we going to claim Chicago house as winning house for the 90s too? Just saying. =)

Yes! and I was waiting for you to bring up. House music we rule... France had some good shit around 98' 02' do you know house??

thelastgreatman
03-04-2008, 11:30 PM
We didn't rule it in the decade we're talking about, idiot.

jazzz
03-04-2008, 11:34 PM
You don't know anything about what you're claiming to talk about. You don't. And it's kinda obvious since you apparently have only secret tastes in music.

ok Mr. Google. Mr. MGMT Mr.BUZZ band of the Month. MR. Punk meant Nothing... What would you like me to tell you... If you paid attention you would know that I have a bit of knowledge bout music.. so tell me what do you need to hear?

jazzz
03-04-2008, 11:36 PM
We didn't rule it in the decade we're talking about, idiot.

Oh... what decade we talkin bout for house now?

JoshTheBoyd
03-04-2008, 11:38 PM
dude lastgreatman, you argue so much. on the internet.

im down with just popping in every few pages and poking fun at you. not really about anything you're actually saying, cause i don't wanna read all that shit. and by the sheer volume and consistency of your posts in this thread alone, i will assume you might know a thing or two (and admittedly more than myself) about electronic music, most likely in that annoying holier than thou way that kills the party every time. and thats cool. but seriously, you're arguing a lot. on the internet.

then ill go back to myspace and touch up my beard. send me a pm when you get your congratulatory plaque.... for something.

jazzz
03-04-2008, 11:41 PM
dude lastgreatman, you argue so much. on the internet.

im down with just popping in every few pages and poking fun at you. not really about anything you're actually saying, cause i don't wanna read all that shit. and by the sheer volume and consistency of your posts in this thread alone, i will assume you might know a thing or two (and admittedly more than myself) about electronic music, most likely in that annoying holier than thou way that kills the party every time. and thats cool. but seriously, you're arguing a lot. on the internet.

then ill go back to myspace and touch up my beard. send me a pm when you get your congratulatory plaque.... for something.

looks like LGM got a fan!

jazzz
03-04-2008, 11:46 PM
Randys breaking out in a cold sweat trying to Google...

luckyface
03-04-2008, 11:46 PM
I think I mentioned some posts ago, but some experimental/idm off the top of my head

Prefuse 73
L'usine
Daedelus
Casino vs Japan
Cepia
The Books
Richard Devine
ediT .. also has pretty good material
Nautilis ..kinda more chillout, you'll like it.

Awesome, thanks! I am a fan of Prefuse (Diarreah Takes Over Your Life is my favorite song title ever) and Daedelus, and I love Casino vs Japan (didn't know they were from the US). I will look into the others, especially Nautilis.

orbit
03-04-2008, 11:46 PM
Are we going to claim Chicago house as winning house for the 90s too? Just saying. =)

No, but you havent mentioned 5 techno djs from the UK who can top those. You have the whole UK to top 5 from a city.

My picks would be Dave Clarke, Surgeon, Ben Sims, Regis.. Dave the drummer? British murder boys? Hawtin is canadian but grew in the UK. Anyway, they are really great techno acts, but I still think they can't top the US. Spain has a great techno scene as well.

greghead
03-04-2008, 11:47 PM
I'm not arguing the the US has the best EDM, where did I say that (although I would've if we were talking late 80s, early 90s). I just don't think the UK is, or has ever been, the best in EDM. Regardless, I prefer Germany.

Sorry that I can look past popularity in order to judge good music, apparently LGM can't. Seriously, the fact that someone who views the Chem Bros, Fatboy Slim, etc. as the pinnacle of 90s EDM told me to do my "research" is hilarious. Maybe you should research more than what made it onto MTV in the 90s?

Myself, I prefer the clubs in Barcelona. But I really don't care for EDM all that much, I was merely commenting that EDM in the U.S. is not as popular, nor as innovative as the music in Europe. And I don't watch MTV, so I don't know who made it on to MTV or not. Back then I was way too into Against All Authority and Choking Victim to give a shit about techno or ravers or whatever it is you guys like to be called.

orbit
03-04-2008, 11:52 PM
I forgot Proem in the suggested US idm artists.

jazzz
03-04-2008, 11:55 PM
Myself, I prefer the clubs in Barcelona. But I really don't care for EDM all that much, I was merely commenting that EDM in the U.S. is not as popular, nor as innovative as the music in Europe. And I don't watch MTV, so I don't know who made it on to MTV or not. Back then I was way too into Against All Authority and Choking Victim to give a shit about techno or ravers or whatever it is you guys like to be called.

yeah... but it's about your BOY trying to act like he knows a wee bout electronic music and all... he needs to stick to his making fun of people instead.

jazzz
03-04-2008, 11:57 PM
I forgot Proem in the suggested US idm artists.

damn you Orbit! you know better

orbit
03-05-2008, 12:03 AM
Selected Ambient 1 wasn't ambient techno? Tell it to his label.


I've always wanted to know what exactly ambient techno is.. A subgenre of ambient or techno? techno with ambient elements, or ambient with techno elements?

jazzz
03-05-2008, 12:11 AM
I've always wanted to know what exactly ambient techno is.. A subgenre of ambient or techno? techno with ambient elements, or ambient with techno elements?

maybe Throbbing Gristle?? lol but I do love em'

greghead
03-05-2008, 12:25 AM
yeah... but it's about your BOY trying to act like he knows a wee bout electronic music and all... he needs to stick to his making fun of people instead.

I didn't realize Randy was my 'boy" because we both have a penchant for psychoactive substances, but your point is very well taken, his shit talking is vitriolic and hilarious. Everybody always seems to know more than their opponent, but he prides himself in his arguing skills

I'll readily admit that I know very little about electronic music, so I try to stay out of arguments like this. Keep going for the jugular; I love watching people argue.

jazzz
03-05-2008, 12:45 AM
I didn't realize Randy was my 'boy" because we both have a penchant for psychoactive substances, but your point is very well taken, his shit talking is vitriolic and hilarious. Everybody always seems to know more than their opponent, but he prides himself in his arguing skills

I'll readily admit that I know very little about electronic music, so I try to stay out of arguments like this. Keep going for the jugular; I love watching people argue.

Randy is funny at times but he aint too funny when he starts threads about music he really knows nothing about... I almost get embarrass for him. It has a lot to do with the "you don't know what you don't know" and I see him in a few different music threads but he's really doesn't have a clue other then the latest buzz band. I think he should just start a comedy thread and be done with it. And for him to say Punk sucked and did not matter... come on wanker!! I think Greghead knows better too

thelastgreatman
03-05-2008, 01:37 AM
No, but you havent mentioned 5 techno djs from the UK who can top those. You have the whole UK to top 5 from a city.

My picks would be Dave Clarke, Surgeon, Ben Sims, Regis.. Dave the drummer? British murder boys? Hawtin is canadian but grew in the UK. Anyway, they are really great techno acts, but I still think they can't top the US. Spain has a great techno scene as well.

Actually I did mention Dave Clarke--one page back and even before when I was just rattling off some names. Frankly, Clarke alone kicks the shit out what the Detroit scene turned out in the 90s, that man is a bad motherfucker.

You're citing past their prime acts that had already had their real influence. It got invented in Detroit and then it splintered into a lot of subgenres when the UK took over. You can't say that Underworld and Orbital didn't dictate a shitload of how techno would sound from there on out--the fact that their work falls into multiple categorizations doesn't mean you get to dismiss it when you don't want it in there.

Honestly, is there any kind of objective qualification we can use here? Apparently the fact that the Brits were the first ones to sell multi-platinum albums of this shit in OUR country doesn't count, I'm guessing that the fact that they were drawing the biggest crowds doesn't count either. Hilarious shit y'all do there. Tell me--how many of those artists 90s albums do you own? How many of their tracks from that era can you name off the top of your head? Just curious.

I'd probably say that LFO should be mentioned as well and then I'd say it's really not necessary. Aside from the guys who invented techno and therefore whatever they do gets qualified as "true" techno, a lot of the reason you know Brits were running shit is that they took the sound and went in 20 directions with it and there's endless subgenres. THAT'S having impact.

Detroit took Chicago's house sound and made it their own, the UK took Detroit and made it a whole shitload of their owns. IDM spawned from techno in a lot of ways--pretty much entirely by British hands IDM was invented, was it not? So by your reasoning with the techno situation, the UK should still have credit for IDM through this decade. See why it doesn't work?


I've always wanted to know what exactly ambient techno is.. A subgenre of ambient or techno? techno with ambient elements, or ambient with techno elements?

My guess is the idea would be that it's kinda both, but frankly I hate the genre bullshit. Y'all love being so picky. Like picking a genre where it got invented in one of our cities and acting like we were really still in control of it all that time. We weren't--there were people doing new things with it. That's how they were dominating everyone.

Aside from Chicago House and Detroit Techno, both of which were of importance in other decades more than the one we're supposed to be talking about, do you have anything? Anything at all.

Forget genres, I'm doing one little list for all you bitches and then I'm leaving this thread forever:

Coachella EDM headliners from the US:
Crystal Method
Moby

Coachella EDM headliners from the UK:
Underworld x2
Chem. Bros. x3
Basement Jaxx
The Prodigy x2
The Orb
Ugh, fucking Oakenfold--x2
Faithless
Happy Mondays
Fatboy Slim now, the cocksucker
Sasha & Dig x2
Groove Armada
Happy Mondays

FUCKING SIGH, dudes. Stop being such twats. But since this is the last I'm bothering with this, let's do ALL THE REST:

Aphex, various incarnations thereof
FSOL
Orbital
Carl Cox
Leftfield
Autechre
Dirty Vegas
Squarepusher (annihilates everything, you tasteless fucks)
Tech Itch (ditto)
Boards of Canada (UK technically includes Scotland, but leave them off if you want)
Tricky
Massive Attack


Fuck this, this is enough. You're all silly.

orbit
03-05-2008, 02:49 AM
Dude, those the detroit techno djs hadn't passed their prime in the 90s, well maybe Atkins by ~95, but the rest kept producing awesome stuff. Craig has like 10 albums solely in the 00s. I'm not saying they are better because they were influential, but because they still make better techno than their UK counterparts. You brought the influence thing here. You said you found 30 myspace profiles of good artists influenced by Clarke and that made the UK better than the US. so i could suggest you to look how many are influenced by Mills or Saunderson. And by the way, Clarke is not that 'new' anyway. He has been around pretty much since the same time as Mills and Craig.

You want me to prove that those US artists sold more albums than UK's, or that festivals here get more people than there. What does that have to do with who makes BETTER music? Europe music scene in general is healthier than here. Glastonbury sells out even if Fall Out Boy and James Blunt are as headliners, Sensation white sells out 50 000 tickets even if Fedde Le Grand, David Guetta and Erik Morillo are headliners. Tiesto probably has sold more records than any american dj/producer ever.. so for you Netherlands makes BETTER music than US then?

I have more UK albums because the genres I like more are breaks/idm/downtempo and they clearly dominate that area. If I was a techno/funky house/electrohouse/trance fan, most of my records would be from artists from everywhere except the UK.

And your list of Coachella edm headliners proves the point I made starting this thread: most US talent is not as widely known as UK's. UK has more well recognized talent, I like more UK artists than american ones.. but that doesn't make them better IN ALL THE ELECTRONIC MUSIC GENRE.

Alright, enough. hopefully.

thelastgreatman
03-05-2008, 03:13 AM
I know when Clarke was around--see, we were supposed to be discussing who was relevant in the 90s.

Tiesto hasn't sold more albums in the US than any other artist though. Bet you 8 of the top 10 of all time in the US are from the UK.

If you were a funky house/electrohouse/trance fan you would like other artists because you would like shitty music. You own more UK EDM because it's better, right? Exactly.

Dubnobasswithmyheadman and Second Toughest--I'm OUT.

Robototron
03-05-2008, 08:07 AM
Myself, I prefer the clubs in Barcelona. But I really don't care for EDM all that much, I was merely commenting that EDM in the U.S. is not as popular, nor as innovative as the music in Europe. And I don't watch MTV, so I don't know who made it on to MTV or not. Back then I was way too into Against All Authority and Choking Victim to give a shit about techno or ravers or whatever it is you guys like to be called.

Oh sorry, my second paragraph was directed at LGM.

The absolute stupidity he's shown in this thread is astounding. He makes stupid points and is barely capable of even backing them up, then someone challenges him suddenly we're not making valid points. LGM, just admit that you don't know jack shit about EDM outside of some big name 90s UK artists and everything Wikipedia can tell you about Detroit Techno and get over it.