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TomAz
12-12-2007, 12:23 PM
So here's the deal. I ordered my younger daughter, the 12 year old, a laptop for christmas. It comes with Windows Vista. At a dinner last night our company CTO told me that I should call Dell and ask them to load XP instead. He said XP is not an option on the website but if you call them and request it they will do it.

My daughter has never used Vista but is pretty good with XP and like most kids she can pick this shit up a lot faster than I can. I don't know anything about Vista myself other than as a new Microsoft product it's apt to be buggy.

so.. which is better? XP or Vista?

also, if you make comments about Linux or Apple, you'll just be showing that you're a boring technogeek with poor reading comprehension.

thelastgreatman
12-12-2007, 12:25 PM
Completely XP. Do not get your daughter Vista, really don't.

theburiedlife
12-12-2007, 12:30 PM
I never bought Vista, but i hear the only thing new about it is a higher price.

kreutz2112
12-12-2007, 12:31 PM
xp

vista = horse shit

orbit
12-12-2007, 12:32 PM
Stay away from Vista.

prettydirtything
12-12-2007, 12:41 PM
vista has better parental controls (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/features/details/parentalcontrols.mspx) than XP.

It can limit computer time, log web sites, create approved programs lists. You will have to spend some time setting up a managed profile, but it is much easier in the long run as opposed to her running rampant with random .exe's

As long as the hardware (on board graphics chip) is not totally bargain basement, boot speed and the ability to run the squeaky new Vista interface will not be an issue. Most common free apps (Messenger, Yahoo, Google this and that, MyspaceIM) are completely compatible with vista. She wont be running corporate email exchange servers, so your CTO's advice is not relevant.

LEGACY PERIPHERALS WILL BE A PROBLEM with vista! If she needs to plug in an old printer, camera, scanner or usb something.... cross your fingers.












P.S You are foolish for not buying her a low end macbook with the educational discount.... ($899-1099 depending on options) She will get more joy out of playing with the integrated webcam and installed PhotoBooth (http://www.apple.com/macbook/isight.html) than anything Vista could ever offer... and all intel macs with 10.5 include bootcamp to dual boot both os's; apple hardware runs windows vista better than most cheap PC resellers, and without all the "free" pre installed extra software trials and bloatware that subsidizes your supposedly cheaper dell/hp/toshiba hardware... :2c

canexplain
12-12-2007, 12:41 PM
xp for sure .... i had to buy tygerlady a new laptop that was twice what an xp one would cost, but she had so much software and hardware that wouldnt work with xp we had to get vista ... but in the long run, go with xp ... i have had it since it first went non beta ... canx**

ruetheday
12-12-2007, 12:42 PM
technogeek

Ill_Eagle
12-12-2007, 12:52 PM
XP is the way to go...for the time being anyway.

Steez
12-12-2007, 12:52 PM
vista sucks cause its not compatible with much, and it takes up a shit load of memory

i just bought my desktop like 2 months ago, and it came with vista, after like a week i had someone downgrade it for me

Yablonowitz
12-12-2007, 12:54 PM
The only credible reason against Vista is memory use. I have it on my lap top and XP on my main computer. Vista runs just fine...I did need more memory though. It's probably more secure, too. If that's a concern.

suprefan
12-12-2007, 12:54 PM
I have Vista, I have no problems with it. Just get her XP, but eventually she wil have to get Vista odds are.

Yablonowitz
12-12-2007, 12:55 PM
vista sucks cause its not compatible with much, and it takes up a shit load of memory

i just bought my desktop like 2 months ago, and it came with vista, after like a week i had someone downgrade it for me

What do you mean by it's not compatible with much? I haven't had any problems with compatibility.

Wheres the beef?
12-12-2007, 12:55 PM
Ubuntu.

JustSteve
12-12-2007, 01:01 PM
P.S You are foolish for not buying her a low end macbook with the educational discount.... ($899-1099 depending on options) She will get more joy out of playing with the integrated webcam and installed PhotoBooth (http://www.apple.com/macbook/isight.html) than anything Vista could ever offer... and all intel macs with 10.5 include bootcamp to dual boot both os's; apple hardware runs windows vista better than most cheap PC resellers, and without all the "free" pre installed extra software trials and bloatware that subsidizes your supposedly cheaper dell/hp/toshiba hardware... :2c

fuck that, i would never allow my child to have a webcam of any sort. if the computer came with one built in i would grab my drill and drill a whole into the lens. nothing good can come from a young girl having that feature.

thelastgreatman
12-12-2007, 01:04 PM
The real reason to not use Vista is that Microsoft OS's can't be trusted until at least the second Service Pack which as far as I know still hasn't been released? Even then I think I read some preliminaries on it and it was not good. Vista is just XP except with more flashy shit, built-in "do you really want to do that" questions every five minutes, and memory leeching. XP is secure and tested and has evolved into their best OS they've ever put out.

Yablonowitz
12-12-2007, 01:05 PM
Parental oversight is usually a better alternative to property destruction, though.

Or selling it on e-bay.

Yablonowitz
12-12-2007, 01:05 PM
The real reason to not use Vista is that Microsoft OS's can't be trusted until at least the second Service Pack which as far as I know still hasn't been released? Even then I think I read some preliminaries on it and it was not good. Vista is just XP except with more flashy shit, built-in "do you really want to do that" questions every five minutes, and memory leeching. XP is secure and tested and has evolved into their best OS they've ever put out.

Hi wang.

JustSteve
12-12-2007, 01:07 PM
Parental oversight is usually a better alternative to property destruction, though.

yeah, that's feasible considering how many kids have both parent's working...

prettydirtything
12-12-2007, 01:07 PM
vista sucks cause its not compatible with much, and it takes up a shit load of memory

i just bought my desktop like 2 months ago, and it came with vista, after like a week i had someone downgrade it for me


ahh... finally something that doesn't have to do with daft punk, so I am thus qualified to comment on it.

your being cheap... it probably had an integrated graphics chip (attached to the motherboard) rather than a pci slot based one that can be replaced or upgraded via a build to order.... Your desktop probably came with either 512Mb or a 1GB of ram; even for XP, ram is cheap enough that there is no reason not to run 2-4GB. I would bet the desktop you bought didn't have very many ram slots, and the ones it had were taken up by multiple (cheaper) chips to get whatever the pre-installed ram number was. To upgrade them ram, now you will probably have to throw out the old chips to fill your limited slots with higher capacity ram chips...

Wal-Mart was selling a linux PC: "Research indicates that Wal-Mart shoppers equate the size of the system to its capability. As such, Everex swaddled all that nothingness in a 2-foot by 2-foot monument to plastic." (http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/31/everexs-199-green-pc-attention-ignorant-wal-mart-shoppers/) Look at a macmini; (http://www.apple.com/macmini/) that is what laptop hardware should look like when it is being sold as a desktop.

canexplain
12-12-2007, 01:08 PM
i had my vista and xp backwards ... had to buy xp because vista didnt work with older stuff ... canx**

Yablonowitz
12-12-2007, 01:08 PM
yeah, that's feasible considering how many kids have both parent's working...
That's not an excuse. Not that I'm suggesting there is much of a purpose for a girl (or boy) to have a web cam.

Melanie.Dawn
12-12-2007, 01:18 PM
PC's are pretty much dead technology as far as I'm concerned. I would never spend any of my hard earned money on something that will probably be reduced to the usefulness of a paperweight in 6 months.

I've had PC's and Mac's... I would never go back to a PC.

prettydirtything
12-12-2007, 01:20 PM
fuck that, i would never allow my child to have a webcam of any sort. if the computer came with one built in i would grab my drill and drill a whole into the lens. nothing good can come from a young girl having that feature.

webcams don't turn children into porn stars, their overbearing (or absent) parents do...

I tutor elementary school children in a supllemental after school education program a few days a week, and two of the kids are making their own comic book, one frame and pre-installed filter at a time. It encourages computer proficeny, and can be as tightly regulated as it needs to be.


the major os providers share your concerns; that is where the parental controls I mentioned come in. You can define what websites they visit, who they are allowed to email and chat with, what applications they use, and at what times they do all this. You can also have an easily accessed record of every click they make.









"guns dont kill people, people do."

"guns make it easier to kill people, that is why we are justified in regulating them"

jackstraw94086
12-12-2007, 01:22 PM
fuck that, i would never allow my child to have a webcam of any sort. if the computer came with one built in i would grab my drill and drill a whole into the lens. nothing good can come from a young girl having that feature.

One day your child will not be an infant.

Niether will you for that matter.

Melanie.Dawn
12-12-2007, 01:27 PM
webcams don't turn children into porn stars, their overbearing (or absent) parents do...

I tutor elementary school children in a supllemental after school education program a few days a week, and two of the kids are making their own comic book, one frame and pre-installed filter at a time. It encourages computer proficeny, and can be as tightly regulated as it needs to be.


the major os providers share your concerns; that is where the parental controls I mentioned come in. You can define what websites they visit, who they are allowed to email and chat with, what applications they use, and at what times they do all this. You can also have an easily accessed record of every click they make.



I agree with you. If you control your kids like that, they'll leave you in the dust, the first chance they get

jackstraw94086
12-12-2007, 01:29 PM
I agree with you. If you control your kids like that, they'll leave you in the dust, the first chance they get

exactly.

also, close your daughter off to life experience and she'll wind up half-conscious in a frat house basement within hours of first hitting campus.

canexplain
12-12-2007, 01:31 PM
exactly.

also, close your daughter off to life experience and she'll wind up half-conscious in a frat house basement within hours of first hitting campus.

just like the shooter here in colorado a few days ago .... i say poor kid, and his targets ... canx**

marooko
12-12-2007, 01:33 PM
the only major problem ive had with vista is that its not campatible with our printer/scanner hear at work. then again, it is 10 years old. also, i think they have a driver for it now so, theres that. it comes with pretty damn good virus protection already installed, it can install programs with XP settings which make many older programs run fine and new programs are coming out everyday. eventually you'll have to go to it anyway.

Steez
12-12-2007, 01:36 PM
What do you mean by it's not compatible with much? I haven't had any problems with compatibility.

divx for one

why vista sucks

i do video editing and it was a pain in the cock
The new security of Vista is overkill most of the time
the start menu remodel is annoying
supposed to be faster on reboot but takes longer than xp
the new layout is nice looking but takes so much it slows your shit
some software labeled windows compatible shuts down randomly
dvd playback not as good
no open with option

and thats all i have to say about that

Steez
12-12-2007, 01:38 PM
yeah i wouldnt give my daughter a webcam, cause at the age of about 13 and up its slut city on the intertubes

Steez
12-12-2007, 01:40 PM
PC's are pretty much dead technology as far as I'm concerned. I would never spend any of my hard earned money on something that will probably be reduced to the usefulness of a paperweight in 6 months.

I've had PC's and Mac's... I would never go back to a PC.
i dont see whats so great about mac. Ive used both without favoring one or the other and mac didnt offer anything amazing, besides final cut pro. It seems more like a trend thing to me.

TomAz
12-12-2007, 01:40 PM
Dell says that if I change my order now, the computer won't get here til after the first of the year. And, that they're not sure that the wireless card will work with XP. (it's an 802.11n card. I didnt' even realize there was anything past "g".) so we're sticking with Vista for now, if it sucks we can always put it on XP later.

thelastgreatman
12-12-2007, 01:40 PM
PC's are pretty much dead technology as far as I'm concerned. I would never spend any of my hard earned money on something that will probably be reduced to the usefulness of a paperweight in 6 months.

I've had PC's and Mac's... I would never go back to a PC.

PCs are dead technology? Are you that oblivious to the realities of the computing world?

TomAz
12-12-2007, 01:41 PM
also, I did not order a webcam, for what it's worth.

ThomThom
12-12-2007, 01:41 PM
That's weird, I just ordered a new laptop from Dell a week ago and they advised me that XP was no longer an option for the system I wanted, they gave me Vista Premium. Oh well, it can't be THAT bad.

Yablonowitz
12-12-2007, 01:41 PM
yeah i wouldnt give my daughter a webcam, cause at the age of about 13 and up its slut city on the intertubes

You people are strange and scare me if you are going to raise children.

Steez
12-12-2007, 01:42 PM
Dell says that if I change my order now, the computer won't get here til after the first of the year. And, that they're not sure that the wireless card will work with XP. (it's an 802.11n card. I didnt' even realize there was anything past "g".) so we're sticking with Vista for now, if it sucks we can always put it on XP later.

if its just for basic stuff, it would be fine i suppose. i had problems cause i was doing video editing, but downloading stuff was a bitch too.


you can always take it to a computer place and have them install xp for like a hundred bucks and they'll do all the drivers and stuff for you.

Yablonowitz
12-12-2007, 01:42 PM
Dell says that if I change my order now, the computer won't get here til after the first of the year. And, that they're not sure that the wireless card will work with XP. (it's an 802.11n card. I didnt' even realize there was anything past "g".) so we're sticking with Vista for now, if it sucks we can always put it on XP later.

I'll pay you a cool cash dollar if you have any significant problems with it. Provided you're giving it at least 1 gb of memory.

TomAz
12-12-2007, 01:45 PM
I'll pay you a cool cash dollar if you have any significant problems with it. Provided you're giving it at least 1 gb of memory.

2 gb.

Steez
12-12-2007, 01:45 PM
You people are strange and scare me if you are going to raise children.

well im not a full on adult yet, so this is coming from somone 18 with a little sister, that always has her friends around, so i know how things go. and i would be a bit iffy if my little sister wanted a webcam. I mean a regular camera is fine for putting up pictures and stuff, what kind of videos do people need to put up with a webcam? And this is not taking lameass youtube rants into account. A webcam is pretty much used for people who rant on youtube, and flat out e-sluts.

Steez
12-12-2007, 01:46 PM
2 gb.

yeah, they say it should get at least 2g

ThomThom
12-12-2007, 01:46 PM
Tom,

That is bullshit, the Dell 802.11 wireless card is their standard wireless card that can be used effectively with both XP and Vista. If you upgrade it to one of the Intel cards they offer than you may have an issue with XP. Dell is really pushing Vista over XP.

Yablonowitz
12-12-2007, 01:47 PM
2 gb.

You're fine. It does have to ask your permission to take a piss, though. That's the only thing mildly irritating about it. But it is a security feature, so you know...probably good since your daughter would be using it.

adamnikyo
12-12-2007, 01:50 PM
A lot of talking from the ass in this thread. Not all, but a lot.

Steez
12-12-2007, 01:50 PM
That's weird, I just ordered a new laptop from Dell a week ago and they advised me that XP was no longer an option for the system I wanted, they gave me Vista Premium. Oh well, it can't be THAT bad.

they just push vista. i tried the same thing with my hp. dell only has like 2 pcs with xp available on their site, at least when i checked. and some tech support guy from hp said that supposedly microsoft stopped making xp disks, but i bought my xp online straight through microsoft and got sent a brand new disk.

jackstraw94086
12-12-2007, 01:56 PM
well im not a full on adult yet, so this is coming from somone 18 with a little sister, that always has her friends around, so i know how things go. and i would be a bit iffy if my little sister wanted a webcam. I mean a regular camera is fine for putting up pictures and stuff, what kind of videos do people need to put up with a webcam? And this is not taking lameass youtube rants into account. A webcam is pretty much used for people who rant on youtube, and flat out e-sluts.



Just because those are the only uses for webcams that you know of doesn't mean that's the only thing they are good for.



I'll bet a lot of the fathers that freak out tpo much over their kids on the internet are just chilled by the notion of seeing their children on the type of sites they frequent.

JustSteve
12-12-2007, 01:57 PM
exactly.

also, close your daughter off to life experience and she'll wind up half-conscious in a frat house basement within hours of first hitting campus.

i would like to know who here commenting on what they would allow their kid to do actually have a child. i thought differently on a lot of issues before my daughter was born, but now i see things in a whole new light and a lot of the stuff out there is such an unnecessary risk. some of the crap i have already seen and heard from people(mostly men) out in public is disgusting, comments made towards/about my kid. sure there are plenty of things she will have to learn on her own, mistakes she will have to make, and i am fine with that and will be here for her when she needs me. but there are a lot of things that i, as a parent, can decide on without a second thought.

TomAz
12-12-2007, 01:59 PM
Tom,

That is bullshit, the Dell 802.11 wireless card is their standard wireless card that can be used effectively with both XP and Vista. If you upgrade it to one of the Intel cards they offer than you may have an issue with XP. Dell is really pushing Vista over XP.

yeah that's what I think too. XP was not a choice on the website order form but I guess if you call and ask for it they'll put XP on.

J~$$$
12-12-2007, 02:00 PM
EDIT: XP.

ThomThom
12-12-2007, 02:02 PM
yeah that's what I think too. XP was not a choice on the website order form but I guess if you call and ask for it they'll put XP on.

Yeah but apparently they are no longer offering XP on their Inspiron 1420's, on the 1520 and 1720...Whatever, I'm sure I won't have too many issues with Vista Premium. You should call the rep back and let him know he's full of shit for the wireless card comment.

Steez
12-12-2007, 02:03 PM
it would actually depend on how my child was, i know ill be really relaxed with my kids, but if i already know my daughter is whoring around, fuck that. besides, look at the site stickam, nothing but young girls, and old dudes.

marooko
12-12-2007, 02:06 PM
A lot of talking from the ass in this thread. Not all, but a lot.

theres your answer, tom.

thelastgreatman
12-12-2007, 02:06 PM
yeah that's what I think too. XP was not a choice on the website order form but I guess if you call and ask for it they'll put XP on.

Pretty much. The only people that Dell lets order XP machines without a hassle are resellers because Vista is a push product now, but yes you can request it over the phone.

And might I point out that arguing with JustSteve about these matters is pointless because he's still a virgin?

jackstraw94086
12-12-2007, 02:17 PM
i would like to know who here commenting on what they would allow their kid to do actually have a child. i thought differently on a lot of issues before my daughter was born, but now i see things in a whole new light and a lot of the stuff out there is such an unnecessary risk. some of the crap i have already seen and heard from people(mostly men) out in public is disgusting, comments made towards/about my kid. sure there are plenty of things she will have to learn on her own, mistakes she will have to make, and i am fine with that and will be here for her when she needs me. but there are a lot of things that i, as a parent, can decide on without a second thought.

This isn't really entirely directed at you but sticking an unprotected penis into a vagina doesn't instantly grant an man infinite wisdom. You may not be that intense about as you seemed in your first post, but your emphatic tone and saying stuff like "drill a hole" through the webcam makes you seem a bit over the top. Sure webcams are relatively new and potentially harmful, but for her sake just be a consciencious parent. You sound like you'd rather yank the leash before she takes a step.

Please note I am NOT preaching parenting advice here. You have every right to raise your daughter as you see fit, but at least try to remember who you are and how you were raised. Every father loves to preach about how much more perspective they gained, but they never admit the perspective they've lost. Being a crazy overbearing father may be inevitable for us all. who knows. I hope not.

I know that sounded like advice, it's not. I don't know dick about your situation. Feel free to tell me to go fuck myself. You're going to do what you feel is best regardless. I'm just internetting here.

TomAz
12-12-2007, 02:22 PM
Steve, I know where you're coming from but you gotta mellow out man or you'll die of a stroke. Teach your kids the values you want them to have (by both talking about it and living it) and they'll be fine, and then it won't matter whether or not they have a webcam.

Steez
12-12-2007, 02:22 PM
man fuck that, im 18 every girl from age 13 and up is pretty much willing to fuck around with older guys. IM NOT THAT KIND OF PERSON BUT, i know plenty of 18 year olds who have fucked around with 13 year old which just means, girls are getting sluttier earlier, and guys are getting sicker.

Melanie.Dawn
12-12-2007, 02:23 PM
man fuck that, im 18 every girl from age 13 and up is pretty much willing to fuck around with older guys. IM NOT THAT KIND OF PERSON BUT, i know plenty of 18 year olds who have fucked around with 13 year old which just means, girls are getting sluttier earlier, and guys are getting sicker.

except not you though...

Steez
12-12-2007, 02:25 PM
im not saying im not getting sicker, but im one of a few guys i know that wouldnt fuck around with a girl younger than 16, and ive turned down 16 year olds.

im just saving face making sure i dont come off as a guy who'd fuck a 13 yr old

Yablonowitz
12-12-2007, 02:26 PM
I gots two boys. My wife doesn't let the youngest watch halo. We squabble about that.

As for the other issues such as the web cam and the internets and the girls and the dads and such...I still don't see how a responsible parent could not be able to ensure his or her daughter's safety and responsible use of a web cam.

I also actually have come to really recognize Jack's point that you can lose the perspective of knowing what it's like to be a kid when you become a parent. That is something I have direct experience with and try to work on to help understand their behavior and such.

jackstraw94086
12-12-2007, 02:26 PM
man fuck that, im 18 every girl from age 13 and up is pretty much willing to fuck around with older guys. IM NOT THAT KIND OF PERSON BUT, i know plenty of 18 year olds who have fucked around with 13 year old which just means, girls are getting sluttier earlier, and guys are getting sicker.

the company a man keeps speaks volumes about him.

Yablonowitz
12-12-2007, 02:28 PM
im not saying im not getting sicker, but im one of a few guys i know that wouldnt fuck around with a girl younger than 16, and ive turned down 16 year olds.

im just saving face making sure i dont come off as a guy who'd fuck a 13 yr old

This is what I've become. A 36 year old man with two kids and a job reading the deranged rantings of a kid half my age. This is like a wake up call. Man, I got to stop reading this board.

Steez
12-12-2007, 02:28 PM
I gots two boys. My wife doesn't let the youngest watch halo. We squabble about that.

As for the other issues such as the web cam and the internets and the girls and the dads and such...I still don't see how a responsible parent could not be able to ensure his or her daughter's safety and responsible use of a web cam.

I also actually have come to really recognize Jack's point that you can lose the perspective of knowing what it's like to be a kid when you become a parent. That is something I have direct experience with and try to work on to help understand their behavior and such.
i think boys should get a little more trusted with that kind of stuff cause guys dont really change from when there little.

girls however can be manipulated by men.
you dont see too many girls trying to fuck younger kids.

thelastgreatman
12-12-2007, 02:29 PM
No Jack, penis in vagina does not grant one infinite wisdom. But the fact is Steve is either going to raise someone as sexually deviant as himself or, more likely, his dramatic example and constant badgering and restrictions will turn the girl into a leather slut. Sorry Steve, I'm not trying to fuck with you, I'm being honest. Girls of this age who get a heavy abstinence pitch end up doing UNGODLY fucking things to their vaginas later in life.

Steez
12-12-2007, 02:30 PM
the company a man keeps speaks volumes about him.

you're right, since i have friends that have sex with young girls and do coke, i must too

thelastgreatman
12-12-2007, 02:31 PM
you're right, since i have friends that have sex with young girls and do coke, i must too

No, but you obviously don't rate friends that aren't scum. hence...

Steez
12-12-2007, 02:33 PM
This is what I've become. A 36 year old man with two kids and a job reading the deranged rantings of a kid half my age. This is like a wake up call. Man, I got to stop reading this board.

yes you should

canexplain
12-12-2007, 02:34 PM
That's weird, I just ordered a new laptop from Dell a week ago and they advised me that XP was no longer an option for the system I wanted, they gave me Vista Premium. Oh well, it can't be THAT bad.
thats what we ran into thom, we had to go all over town just to find a place that had a laptop with xp on it .... they wouldnt give us the cd with the operating system on it either, AND they wanted to charge us $75 for a backup cd , with the threat, "well if something happens and you dont have that disk, you might as well throw the laptop in the trash" ... when we got home xp had a recovery backup disk function and it cost us 10 cents for the cd .... grrrrrr ... canx**

Yablonowitz
12-12-2007, 02:34 PM
No, but you obviously don't rate friends that aren't scum. hence...

Wait. Didn't you have sex with young girls and snort coke when you were that age?


I'm still reading this board and i've been given a sign that I should stop. What's wrong with me?

Steez
12-12-2007, 02:35 PM
No, but you obviously don't rate friends that aren't scum. hence...

i dont understand.

i only have a few actual friends now, because most of the fucked up ones faded away after i didnt chill with them anymore. but i do have a dirtbag friend trying to get with a way younger girl and ive told him he's an idiot

kreutz2112
12-12-2007, 02:35 PM
you just have to stop reading certain threads yabs.

Steez
12-12-2007, 02:36 PM
Wait. Didn't you have sex with young girls and snort coke when you were that age?


I'm still reading this board and i've been given a sign that I should stop. What's wrong with me?
you dont get the point do you?

he was saying im just like the people i know

and i was giving an example of how stupid that is to say

thelastgreatman
12-12-2007, 02:36 PM
Actually no, I've never had sex with a girl under 18, come to think of it. I almost always skew older. And I didn't snort that much coke and when I did it was because it was free. I hate coke, remember?

Guys that fuck younger girls are fucking revolting. I got into more than a few fistfights over that behavior. Gross, says everything about a man.

kreutz2112
12-12-2007, 02:36 PM
plus this steez douche is probably an alias anyway.

canexplain
12-12-2007, 02:36 PM
Wait. Didn't you have sex with young girls and snort coke when you were that age?


I'm still reading this board and i've been given a sign that I should stop. What's wrong with me?

watch out yablonwitz, you might end up like me in 25 years yikes :) canx**

Steez
12-12-2007, 02:37 PM
no ive always been steez, ive been posting for acouple months but not that often, i think i had an old name on here as hammer time

thelastgreatman
12-12-2007, 02:38 PM
As in hammering underage girls? =)

Steez
12-12-2007, 02:38 PM
yup

Yablonowitz
12-12-2007, 02:46 PM
you dont get the point do you?

he was saying im just like the people i know

and i was giving an example of how stupid that is to say

You're silly and your English teachers have failed you.

Steez
12-12-2007, 02:46 PM
how original

Sigmabass
12-12-2007, 02:59 PM
SteezzzzzNUTSSSS!

dorkfish
12-12-2007, 02:59 PM
Vista for the most part is just as good as XP and actually better, at times. SP1 beta fixes most of the slowness bugs and peripheral compatibility. Turning off the over-bearing security settings make it quite usable.

Sorry if you can't use your 1998 all-in-one printer/copier/fax, but you can get a much better one that works for $50-100 these days.

thelastgreatman
12-12-2007, 03:01 PM
Dude, they took out the folder up button--FUCK them just for that. They just keep making navigation more and more retarded so it looks better.

jackstraw94086
12-12-2007, 03:10 PM
Vista for the most part is just as good as XP and actually better, at times. SP1 beta fixes most of the slowness bugs and peripheral compatibility. Turning off the over-bearing security settings make it quite usable.

Sorry if you can't use your 1998 all-in-one printer/copier/fax, but you can get a much better one that works for $50-100 these days.

hey dorkfish, you're pretty hot. Wanna spoon?

Yablonowitz
12-12-2007, 03:14 PM
Dude, they took out the folder up button--FUCK them just for that. They just keep making navigation more and more retarded so it looks better.

That's sorta true. The start menu is not as good, but you have an option to put it to "classic view". I have noticed a little bit of what you're saying. Actually, I noticed it first in Windows Media Player where they eliminated the standard tool bar menu and made it a fucking pain in the neck to use if it wasn't your primary media player. I suppose they thought they could force it on people who didn't want to work around it. But that's WMP.

But I agree that SOME user friendly navigating functions have been lost for no other reason than appearance.

dorkfish
12-12-2007, 04:01 PM
Dude, they took out the folder up button--FUCK them just for that. They just keep making navigation more and more retarded so it looks better.
so you're one of those browser window view people over the standard explorer view that's been around for years.

i don't think that i've clicked the up folder button this decade. BACKSPACE braaaaaah, BACKSPACE.

dorkfish
12-12-2007, 04:03 PM
That's sorta true. The start menu is not as good, but you have an option to put it to "classic view". I have noticed a little bit of what you're saying. Actually, I noticed it first in Windows Media Player where they eliminated the standard tool bar menu and made it a fucking pain in the neck to use if it wasn't your primary media player. I suppose they thought they could force it on people who didn't want to work around it. But that's WMP.

But I agree that SOME user friendly navigating functions have been lost for no other reason than appearance.
and you can make the standard tool bar reappear by switching to classic view with WMP, as well.

dorkfish
12-12-2007, 04:04 PM
hey dorkfish, you're pretty hot. Wanna spoon?
I always knew you were British.

thelastgreatman
12-12-2007, 04:10 PM
Backspace doesn't send you up a directory unless your last directory was up. Hence, pain in my ass.

dorkfish
12-12-2007, 04:20 PM
Backspace doesn't send you up a directory unless your last directory was up. Hence, pain in my ass.
BACKSPACE functions as an Up-Directory function in Explorer. It only functions as a "BACK" folder if you've accessed a folder shortcut (i.e. Desktop to My Documents in older incarnations of Windows). Thereafter, it will then regain it's function of moving up a directories.

thelastgreatman
12-12-2007, 04:21 PM
... so then they actually took out the backspace in Vista and replaced it with up-directory looking like a backspace?

JustSteve
12-12-2007, 04:35 PM
No Jack, penis in vagina does not grant one infinite wisdom. But the fact is Steve is either going to raise someone as sexually deviant as himself or, more likely, his dramatic example and constant badgering and restrictions will turn the girl into a leather slut. Sorry Steve, I'm not trying to fuck with you, I'm being honest. Girls of this age who get a heavy abstinence pitch end up doing UNGODLY fucking things to their vaginas later in life.

why am i deviant, because i waited to have sex? it was what was right for me, i don't go around preaching to people about it, etc. sure, i hope my daughter respects herself enough to wait until the time is right for her, whenever that may be, but i will not be making out sex to be a bad thing at all. i will be here throughout her life to help guide her and hopefully that will be enough of an influence that she makes the decisions that are right for her, no matter what the outcome is and no matter if i agree or not.

and where did you get the impression that i will be constantly badgering and putting restrictions on my daughter? i simply said i would not allow her to have a webcam. i am one of the most tolerant people on this planet and am willing to take all sides into consideration in any and all situations. when it comes to the internet, less is better in my opinion and that was all i stated earlier with my comment. i was raised in a great way by my parents, they let me make mistakes and made sure i learned from them, hopefully so i wouldn't repeat them. sometimes i did, but they were always there with the support i needed. this is the same way i plan to raise my children.

not sure how you feel you could draw all of your asinine conclusions based on one "webcam" comment. but kudos to you for trying!

JustSteve
12-12-2007, 04:46 PM
Every father loves to preach about how much more perspective they gained, but they never admit the perspective they've lost. Being a crazy overbearing father may be inevitable for us all. who knows. I hope not.

The perspective i have gained is of how many creeps there are out there. i was picking up a sandwich one day and after this guy in his mid 20's ordered his food and proceeded to flirt with the girl working the register, he was so obnoxious to her. after that he walked over to me and told me what a beautiful daughter i had. he then gets down in front of her and says "maybe one day when you are older i will have the pleasure of taking you out on a date". that was a mild one. i take my daughter to the park everyday and the beach during summer and on numerous occasions have seen guys trying to sneak pictures of young, and i mean young, girls in their bathing suits. those guys i have reported to police. it is a sick world out there, unfortunately.

don't even get me started on the woman who said i had a beautiful daughter and then kinda whispered "just like a little jon benet".

thelastgreatman
12-12-2007, 05:07 PM
I'd have punched that guy in the throat. And yes, waiting until your thirty is sexually deviant in the literal sense of the words--your sexual habits deviate from the norm. And I'm SURE with this waiting until marriage mentality you'll probably let your daughter go on dates... when, like before she graduates high school maybe? With a chaperone? C'mon, Steve.

thelastgreatman
12-12-2007, 05:08 PM
Also, she looks like Jon Benet? Really? Do you have any swimsuit pics? =)

wmgaretjax
12-12-2007, 05:09 PM
i clicked on last page hoping that I would be caught up to speed on some geek argument... but I was gravely mistaken.

dorkfish
12-12-2007, 05:09 PM
he was saying im just like the people i know
your friends sound like air-wasting douchebags, and he was pointing out that you're quite similar. i maintain that his point was apt.

thelastgreatman
12-12-2007, 05:10 PM
i clicked on last page hoping that I would be caught up to speed on some geek argument... but I was gravely mistaken.

Awesome.

JustSteve
12-12-2007, 06:26 PM
And I'm SURE with this waiting until marriage mentality you'll probably let your daughter go on dates... when, like before she graduates high school maybe? With a chaperone? C'mon, Steve.

i wasn't waiting until marriage, i was just waiting for someone i saw some potential with in terms of a quality relationship. turns out that didn't happen until i was 27. i had a few relationships that would begin to get serious when i was in my late teens/early twenties and then i would get ill and the girl would walk away because she couldn't deal with it. i decided that i would wait for someone who could deal with me and everything that goes on in my world. if that makes me a horrible/weird person in some people's eyes' then so be it. i am very satisfied with how things have turned out and i have no qualms about how my experiences will translate into how i parent my children.

menikmati
12-12-2007, 06:34 PM
I have no problem with that.

thelastgreatman
12-12-2007, 06:49 PM
So you've known this girl who IS the one for three years and no sex? Just out of curiosity, is it just no intercourse or what?

JustSteve
12-12-2007, 06:51 PM
we have a kid for fuck's sake...so yes, we have sex...a lot.

thelastgreatman
12-12-2007, 06:53 PM
Oh, so you just waited until you were thirty before you did her? I could've sworn that had come up in another thread.

wmgaretjax
12-12-2007, 08:12 PM
i have no qualms about how my experiences will translate into how i parent my children.

your qualms are never really what matter when it comes to kids...

my dad has started off really poorly with my younger sisters (she just hit 16), i can't imagine it getting a lot better..

Archie Bunker
12-12-2007, 09:18 PM
Waiting until your late twenties to have sex = MISTAKE. Don't wait to have sex until your first "serious" relationship (i.e. one bound for marriage). It makes it easier to settle down in a committed relationship later in life if you don't feel like you "missed something" regarding more casual sexual relationships and/or variety.

I didn't follow the whole "daughter with the webcam" argument, but I can't blame a parent for not letting his teenage daughter get a webcam. The internet is full of pervs looking to prey upon teenage girls, and even the most grounded, intelligent girl can fall victim to a smooth talker.

Back on topic: I have XP, and plan to stay with it for awhile. I don't like going to new operating systems until their bugs and issues have been worked out.

Hannahrain
12-12-2007, 10:03 PM
Jesus. That was the first post I read in this thread. What in fuck's sake is going on here?

shakermaker113
12-12-2007, 10:13 PM
this thread leads me to think the phrase "open minded" has never been mentioned on this board before.

and vista sucks, btw. we had it at work on our conference room system for a while. everyone found it intolerable so we downgraded.

jackstraw94086
12-12-2007, 10:45 PM
The perspective i have gained is of how many creeps there are out there. i was picking up a sandwich one day and after this guy in his mid 20's ordered his food and proceeded to flirt with the girl working the register, he was so obnoxious to her. after that he walked over to me and told me what a beautiful daughter i had. he then gets down in front of her and says "maybe one day when you are older i will have the pleasure of taking you out on a date". that was a mild one. i take my daughter to the park everyday and the beach during summer and on numerous occasions have seen guys trying to sneak pictures of young, and i mean young, girls in their bathing suits. those guys i have reported to police. it is a sick world out there, unfortunately.

don't even get me started on the woman who said i had a beautiful daughter and then kinda whispered "just like a little jon benet".

dude, there were no more creeps out there then there were the day before you had a kid. You're just being a freak about it. That's all. The world didn't turn dangerous the day you decided to start caring about it.

And waiting until 27 to have sex kinda demonstrates that you just might have some hangups about it that have nothing to do with your daughter. For fucks sake don't ruin your daughter's youth because you've either repressed your uncle's fat finger or your mom's coke whoring. Older guys have been flirting with underaged girls since the creation of underaged girls. You're not the first person to figure this out, your child is not the first girl on earth have to deal with it. When that guy flirted with the register girl did she immediately fall into a hypnotic trance, jump over the counter, fuck the guy, then pull out a crack pipe? I'm guessing no.

Either shove that kid back up your wife's cooz for 21 years or chill the fuck out.

JustSteve
12-12-2007, 10:55 PM
you lose...hard.

kreutz2112
12-12-2007, 10:56 PM
not reading whole thread....who voted for vista?

wmgaretjax
12-12-2007, 11:03 PM
you lose...hard.

yeah... jack leaves a lot of people speechless. don't worry. you just got eaten alive, you'll come out better for it in the long run.

JustSteve
12-12-2007, 11:07 PM
what is there to say to a message board a-hole? there are plenty of them on here talking out of their collective asses. might as well let the shit continue to spew out their loose sphincter if it makes them feel complete...

jackstraw94086
12-12-2007, 11:10 PM
you lose...hard.

When your daughter's swinging around a pole getting $2 bills tossed at her crotch you'll know the meaning of lose.

kreutz2112
12-12-2007, 11:12 PM
I lol...hard.

JustSteve
12-12-2007, 11:12 PM
When your daughter's swinging around a pole getting $2 bills tossed at her crotch you'll know the meaning of lose.

wow, good one! the intelligence level/maturity astounds me! keep it coming...

jackstraw94086
12-12-2007, 11:15 PM
oh stfu and go check again if your kid's still breathing. I'll bet it's been over 20 minutes, she's probably got a dick in her mouth by now.

wmgaretjax
12-12-2007, 11:15 PM
what is there to say to a message board a-hole? there are plenty of them on here talking out of their collective asses. might as well let the shit continue to spew out their loose sphincter if it makes them feel complete...

he may be an asshole... but he's right.

JustSteve
12-12-2007, 11:16 PM
oh stfu and go check again if your kid's still breathing. I'll bet it's been over 20 minutes, she's probably got a dick in her mouth by now.

still not satisfied, eh? it's getting more and more pathetic...how low can you go, how low can you go...

TheWatcher
12-12-2007, 11:21 PM
so.. which is better? XP or Vista?



XP is stable. Vista may turn out to be better after it's had thousands of bugs fixed and the drivers and software you want to use are all working correctly. XP was crap for a couple years before Service Pack 2. I am still using Windows 2000 on my main system, although I have to use XP at work, and my laptop came with XP. By the way, service pack 1 for Vista is about to come out.




also, if you make comments about Linux or Apple, you'll just be showing that you're a boring technogeek with poor reading comprehension.

Well, I may be a boring technogeek, but it wouldn't hurt to install both Windows and Linux. This way she could have Windows for games, or those websites that insist that you use the latest version of Internet Explorer. Then, she could also boot into Linux for everything else. It might be a lot faster than XP or Vista on the same hardware. If she is bright and can learn things easily it should not be a problem. I know Ubuntu is the popular choice, but I prefer Debian myself. It takes a bit more knowledge to set up.

jackstraw94086
12-12-2007, 11:22 PM
dude, you've already explained how pathetic this shit is, why are you hawking every post, you fucking loser. Have you not figured out that this is a fucking internet message board? You're begging for every response.

Your daughter will be someday be so proud of you in the moments of peace between getting fingercuffed in front of a webcam you didn't have time to drill a hole in.

JustSteve
12-12-2007, 11:22 PM
yawn

you calling me a loser, now that's what hurts the most.

jackstraw94086
12-12-2007, 11:53 PM
This is like smacking a tennis ball against a brick wall. Learn how this message board shit works or fucking go to bed and rest up for your next failed attempt anything. Starting posts with "wow" or "yawn" or "ooh" is implicit admission of your stupidity. Go ahead and ridicule another message board post and then click here (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony).
Then, just in the unlikely case that you don't already have it bookmarked, why don't you go ahead and click here (http://mydaughtersfuckingablackdude.com/tours/MDBZ/t3/)

thelastgreatman
12-13-2007, 02:42 AM
Sigh... I miss Jack. How ya been, Jack?

J~$$$
12-13-2007, 06:26 AM
hahahahahaaahahahahahaha

fatbastard
12-13-2007, 07:19 AM
My friend just purchased a Dell. I removed everything out of it and reinstalled everything back in just to remove all of the etra Dell bullshit that comes with it.

Yablonowitz
12-13-2007, 07:27 AM
I like the contradictory tones of this thread:

technological discussion of the merits of Windows OS v a debate on parenting, sexual predatory behavior and underage girls.

TomAz
12-13-2007, 07:28 AM
My friend just purchased a Dell. I removed everything out of it and reinstalled everything back in just to remove all of the etra Dell bullshit that comes with it.

PC Decrapifier (http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,67264-order,1-page,1/description.html)

Hannahrain
12-13-2007, 07:42 AM
Which OS is better for me to get if I'm going to use it to manipulate underage girls into doing imprudent things?

Hannahrain
12-13-2007, 07:43 AM
Seriously, it's very important that I know before like, six.

Yablonowitz
12-13-2007, 08:02 AM
Which OS is better for me to get if I'm going to use it to manipulate underage girls into doing imprudent things?

I'm pretty sure you're going to need something that will shield your identity. Maybe Brad or Adam could give tips on OS's that work well with IP disguisers. And while you want to provide the most blockage of YOUR identity, you also want your internet to provide you with as much unfiltered, unlimited under the radar sites as possible. Perhaps Linux would be your best bet.

I'm out of my element here since my main interest is barnyard animals and there isn't nearly the legal concern in that area as there is with underaged girls.

thelastgreatman
12-13-2007, 08:02 AM
Seriously, it's very important that I know before like, six.
With your avatar it's just so fucking funny I don't even know what to do. I think I'm gonna pee.

JustSteve
12-13-2007, 09:33 AM
This is like smacking a tennis ball against a brick wall. Learn how this message board shit works or fucking go to bed and rest up for your next failed attempt anything. Starting posts with "wow" or "yawn" or "ooh" is implicit admission of your stupidity. Go ahead and ridicule another message board post and then click here (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony).
Then, just in the unlikely case that you don't already have it bookmarked, why don't you go ahead and click here (http://mydaughtersfuckingablackdude.com/tours/MDBZ/t3/)

you have gotten really good at playing your little role here. kudos to you and the character you have created, it really is something to be proud of. :thu

http://www.smdblink.plus.com/you_win_the_prize.jpg

J~$$$
12-13-2007, 09:41 AM
Jackstraw is a boyscout?

kreutz2112
12-13-2007, 09:42 AM
*waits in anticipation of jacks reply to steve*

Yablonowitz
12-13-2007, 09:43 AM
Note to juststeve: this will continue infinitely until you finally decide not to respond to Jack. He will outlast you.

I'm not saying he's right or wrong. Just saying - the brother has stamina that a 30-year-old virgin could not comprehend. I'm not really one to joke in that area since I didn't bust my nut until I was 21. The difference, I think, is that I lacked even the most rudimentary social skills required to court even the most needy partner into copulation. If I could have wet my noodle at 13, I would have. Being ugly, scrawny, and insecure is not a recipe for diversity of sexual encounters. But I digress.

TomAz
12-13-2007, 09:52 AM
aww.. I'd've done you.

JustSteve
12-13-2007, 09:53 AM
*waits in anticipation of jacks reply to steve*

just look back at the previous posts here. it's not like he ever says anything new, it's all just rehashed crap that has been typed many times before by his hairy palmed hands...

Yablonowitz
12-13-2007, 09:54 AM
aww.. I'd've done you.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v682/yablonowitz/Blog%20content/FreshmanUMMillerHall.jpg

Gimme a kiss.

TomAz
12-13-2007, 09:55 AM
jeez. you were scrawny.

jackstraw94086
12-13-2007, 09:55 AM
[QUOTE=JustSteve;368615]you have gotten really good at playing your little role here. kudos to you and the character you have created, it really is something to be proud of. :thu
QUOTE]


You've barely reached pathetic at playing your little role. Kudos to you and your complete lack of character, it really is shameful.

Now go fetch another tired old internet image, roll it up real tight, and go put another deadbolt on the outside of your daughter/porcelain doll's bedroom door.

J~$$$
12-13-2007, 09:56 AM
OHHH OHHHH OHHH oh a OHHHH dont worry.

jackstraw94086
12-13-2007, 09:56 AM
just look back at the previous posts here. it's not like he ever says anything new, it's all just rehashed crap that has been typed many times before by his hairy palmed hands...

you type two lines and post boring old images. You fucking crack me up, loser.

Go search for curly hairs in your daughter's underwear drawer.

Yablonowitz
12-13-2007, 09:56 AM
jeez. you were scrawny.

Note the acne, as well.

J~$$$
12-13-2007, 09:57 AM
you type two lines and post boring old images. You fucking crack me up, loser.

Go search for curly hairs in your daughter's underwear drawer.


hahahahahahaha

JustSteve
12-13-2007, 09:57 AM
You've barely reached pathetic at playing your little role. Kudos to you and your complete lack of character, it really is shameful.

Now go fetch another tired old internet image, roll it up real tight, and go put another deadbolt on the outside of your daughter/porcelain doll's bedroom door.

see, predictable.

go ahead, keep bringing my daughter up...those are the comments that really hurt.

kreutz2112
12-13-2007, 09:59 AM
just look back at the previous posts here. it's not like he ever says anything new, it's all just rehashed crap that has been typed many times before by his hairy palmed hands...

I dont read Jacks posts because I think they are new and refreshing. I read them because they're fucking hilarious and laughing at the expense of others is fun.

Yablonowitz
12-13-2007, 09:59 AM
Will the circle be unbroken...by and by lord by and by.

jackstraw94086
12-13-2007, 10:01 AM
see, predictable...

Listen up, you fucking retard loser of a bullshit excuse for a dickhead half-worthless father, you're not proving yourself as smart as you're trying to seem.

Predictable? How does the irony of your post right there possibly escape you (oh wait, I remember now. You're just not very smart.)

Tell me more about hairy palms now, Mr. I'm Scared Shitless of Vagina.

JustSteve
12-13-2007, 10:06 AM
Listen up, you fucking retard loser of a bullshit excuse for a dickhead half-worthless father, you're not proving yourself as smart as you're trying to seem.

the overuse of profanity sure does show your intelligence, the amount of brain power needed to come up with a line like that must be exhausting!

i am really catching on to some of the subtle nuances of you character these last few posts, keep them coming.

p.s. vagina and i have a pretty damn good relationship these days.

jackstraw94086
12-13-2007, 10:16 AM
I see. Now that you were finally able to supress your disgust for vagina long enough to spread your whimpering seed you're the master now. How fun for you. What a fantastic fuck you must be. Is your wife a paraplegic? Has your wife's penchant for dicks not attached to you come up yet in couples counseling or is that on the agenda for next week? I'll bet she's out with one now.

You complete lack of will or ability to defend yourself is a shame.

JustSteve
12-13-2007, 10:22 AM
defend myself to you, an anonymous nobody on a message board?

aaaaaand scene.

J~$$$
12-13-2007, 10:25 AM
Ive seen Jackstraw punch a cancer victim for not overcoming it

jackstraw94086
12-13-2007, 10:25 AM
then why the fuck are you responding, fuckwit?
You're completely transparent. Why join a pissing contest if you can't fucking put a coherent thought together?

People'll be calling your daughter the Delta Chi Doorknob before you think of anything mildly amusing to say.

wmgaretjax
12-13-2007, 10:26 AM
"overuse of profanity." hahahaha, this guy is rich! and he's overconfident about his ability to fuck! how cute.

psychic friend
12-13-2007, 11:06 AM
CZrr7AZ9nCY

ThomThom
12-13-2007, 11:14 AM
Jesus Christ there are so many comments by Jack I want to sig in this thread alone but I can't seem to pick just one

Wheres the beef?
12-13-2007, 12:30 PM
Jesus Christ there are so many comments by Jack I want to sig in this thread alone but I can't seem to pick just one

I dont know.......that passive quote you have sigged is pretty good.

Wheres the beef?
12-13-2007, 12:33 PM
Note to juststeve: this will continue infinitely until you finally decide not to respond to Jack. He will outlast you.


Thats what she said.

Wheres the beef?
12-13-2007, 12:34 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v682/yablonowitz/Blog%20content/FreshmanUMMillerHall.jpg

Gimme a kiss.

Note the virginity also.

miscorrections
12-13-2007, 12:50 PM
It doesn't seem like you took your shirt's advice, Yablo. You don't look very happy.

full on idle
12-13-2007, 01:00 PM
I bet you don't show your neighbors this photo of you in that racist hat.

downingthief
12-13-2007, 01:07 PM
I sell this stuff for a living...and, I do not have a single client who is migrating to Vista anytime soon. With MS pushing the "deadline" date for PC makers to elminate XP puts some minds at ease. Main issue with business is the need to upgrade a majority of hardware, and the security features that are not necessary.

Now, from a home use perspective, Vista is pretty cool. Very multimedia friendly. As long as the hardware is above average, that is. If you get a crap machine with Vista, expect some bumps.

Yablonowitz
12-13-2007, 02:09 PM
I bet you don't show your neighbors this photo of you in that racist hat.

I've always been a lifelong Giants fan, and I have NO idea why I liked and wore that Cleveland cap. I also had a (gasp) Yankees hat which I wore a lot. I honestly don't know how my brain functioned at that age.

prettydirtything
12-13-2007, 03:38 PM
first, I am astonished at the quantity and the tone of posts that have emerged out of a single throwaway, apple fanboy line in favor of tight hardware and software integration, and including widely used technology (digital cameras) in every machine you sell.

(apple was the first company to put USB in EVERY machine they sold, wifi in EVERY laptop they sold, bluetooth in EVERY computer they sold, and they were the first to market with the "n" draft, a wireless draft that hasn't even got final approval yet. ) Its not that everybody wants a camera, its that apple builds it in unobtrusively on every (non mac pro )system they make, and provide BOTH the intuitive software to USE IT, and the option to LOCK IT DOWN...

divx for one

why vista sucks

i do video editing and it was a pain in the cock
The new security of Vista is overkill most of the time
the start menu remodel is annoying
supposed to be faster on reboot but takes longer than xp
the new layout is nice looking but takes so much it slows your shit
some software labeled windows compatible shuts down randomly
dvd playback not as good
no open with option

and thats all i have to say about that
back to the original question: tomaz asked about a computer for his daughter. As such, easy to use and robust parental controls are infinitely more important than divx playback. Also, I think vista could play back divx through a third party app. (vlc, mplayer etc.) Even my xbox360 has divx playback as of the 12/04 update. They only reason you need divx support is to playback movies from the pirate bay, and no, 12 year olds should not be using bittorrent clients regardless.


tom said he is getting 2gb of ram, so the concerns about performance are unfounded.

the concerns about constant security reminders DO NOT APPLY when you are not running as an administrator. 12 year olds should not have administrator access, and the whole point of the annoying security reminders are to keep people who don't set up guest profiles from destroying their computer.

12 year olds do not need compatibility with legacy programs and professional level video editing. They need tightly integrated, pre-installed software to do all the basics: vista is an improvement in this area. It has photo software, music software, cd creation, and other commonly used apps built in (this feature set is called iLife on the mac, and has been free and preinstalled since 2005).

I think downingthief was the only person with a relevant contribution over the last three pages. and I quote: "Now, from a home use perspective, Vista is pretty cool. Very multimedia friendly. As long as the hardware is above average, that is. If you get a crap machine with Vista, expect some bumps."

so tomaz,
get vista. A 12 year old is the very definition of a "home user". Unlike the users of this board, she does not have 7 years of experience with XP, and will not be afraid of interface changes, or be trying to hook up 10 year old scanners. And this will ruin the joy of immediately using a christmas present, but you need to set up a guest profile and enable parental controls.

good luck...

thelastgreatman
12-13-2007, 04:26 PM
Parental controls are for assholes like JustSteve. Also, don't give me that bullshit about it not hassling you with unnecessary "are you sure you want to do that" questions if you're an administrator, because it does. Fuck that shit. Fuck Vista's built-in Microsoft brand spyware too.

But getting back to THE REAL POINT OF THIS THREAD, YOU SUBJECT-CHANGING ASSHOLE:

Jack is dreamy. I want him to spin the records of my heart.

xbnmx
12-13-2007, 05:45 PM
Vista all the way. Any possible benefit XP may have over Vista will absolutely not be relevant for your daughter and the control benefits will be. Also realize that in the future all updates and compatibility standards will be set for Vista.

Would you have bought a beta tape player in the mid nineties?

thelastgreatman
12-13-2007, 05:47 PM
That's so far from analagous... ugh, fuck you and what you just said.

THIS IS WHY MICROSOFT GETS AWAY WITH PUSHING SHITTY PRODUCTS.

prettydirtything
12-13-2007, 07:38 PM
Parental controls are for assholes like JustSteve. Also, don't give me that bullshit about it not hassling you with unnecessary "are you sure you want to do that" questions if you're an administrator, because it does. Fuck that shit. Fuck Vista's built-in Microsoft brand spyware too.

But getting back to THE REAL POINT OF THIS THREAD, YOU SUBJECT-CHANGING ASSHOLE:

Jack is dreamy. I want him to spin the records of my heart.

I have only used vista for about an hour, when I installed it on my macbook for shits and giggles... so a grain of salt on this.

However, if you read my post, I said "the concerns about constant security reminders DO NOT APPLY when you are not running as an administrator."

(my original post might be a double negativ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_negative)e, but I imagine you don't post unduly negative comments in the intrest of helping my grammar)

I was recommending running as a guest, for the very purpose of trying to avoid those dialogues. Perhaps now that you understand, you can tell me what the status of those annoying security alerts are under a guest profile... I have not experimented sufficiently to inform on this subject.

I would guess that Parental Controls are an effective way of preventing inexperienced children from altering mission critical settings, like network, and wireless printing. With any luck, they may help avert a meltdown brought on by a random .exe that an inexperienced (12 year old) user might download by accident. Again, I can't promise that they will work as well as the ones on Mac OS 10.5.1 that I deployed at work to keep the kids focused on word proccessing insetad of myspace. But it is surely an avenue worth investigating for a parent who wants their kid to have an effective and stable computer, rather than getting a second job as "dad, the vista trouble-shooter"... :2c

you may now return to licking jack slowly, and heck, why not start a thread about it! ;-)

prettydirtything
12-13-2007, 07:49 PM
"so.. which is better? XP or Vista?"



THIS IS WHY MICROSOFT GETS AWAY WITH PUSHING SHITTY PRODUCTS.

very helpful... :)



it was even requested that fanboys not bring up apple or linux...

"also, if you make comments about Linux or Apple, you'll just be showing that you're a boring technogeek with poor reading comprehension."


but we can't resist sometimes, and it is always better to talk about what you know... At least that way, even though my comments are unwanted, they have a little less of that stench caused by ignorance and un-sourced opinion...

C DUB YA
12-13-2007, 08:43 PM
The following ignores requests based on the obvious repsonse from someone who is extremely happy with their computers over the years.

You know this is coming... so here it is.

Shoulda bought Apple.

g0k1ngsg0
12-13-2007, 08:44 PM
I don't know if this thread is about vista and Xp anymore, but I voted Vista.

It's a new laptop with plenty of ram

SP1 is right around the corner which will address most of the performance issues

I didn't read through the entire thread, so i don't know if it was brought up, but what flavor of vista? Home Premium?
and you're going to get vista eventually anyways.

C DUB YA
12-13-2007, 08:49 PM
I don't know if this thread is about vista and Xp anymore, but I voted Vista.

It's a new laptop with plenty of ram

SP1 is right around the corner which will address most of the performance issues


your third line sums up the problem/s with MS since day one.

Wheres the beef?
12-13-2007, 08:50 PM
Why hasnt anyone mentioned the fucked up DRM on Vista. You cant fucking run anything unless its fully DRM'ed. You cant even use an HDMI output unless every single piece of your computer is fully compliant with all DRM. Why has nobody mentioned the fact that Vista is the RIAA and MPAA's wet dream and that it lacks serious functionality over the exhaustive DRM bullshit. Fuck Vista and FUCK WINDOWS. Linux all the way.

g0k1ngsg0
12-13-2007, 08:52 PM
your third line sums up the problem/s with MS since day one.


yea, pretty much...

all software has updates though, so what are ya gonna do? gotta admit that installing a service pack is much easier than keeping up with the latest linux builds (for the average user).

g0k1ngsg0
12-13-2007, 08:59 PM
Why hasnt anyone mentioned the fucked up DRM on Vista. You cant fucking run anything unless its fully DRM'ed. You cant even use an HDMI output unless every single piece of your computer is fully compliant with all DRM. Why has nobody mentioned the fact that Vista is the RIAA and MPAA's wet dream and that it lacks serious functionality over the exhaustive DRM bullshit. Fuck Vista and FUCK WINDOWS. Linux all the way.

DRM's a bitch, but microsoft isn't the only guilty party there. just wait til round 2 (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071213-time-to-revisit-the-dmca.html) comes around.

Wheres the beef?
12-13-2007, 08:59 PM
Its the same as getting an update from MS.

Granted it is not as user friendly but, like anything, you get used to it and learn it.

g0k1ngsg0
12-13-2007, 09:06 PM
Its the same as getting an update from MS.

Granted it is not as user friendly but, like anything, you get used to it and learn it.

yea, updating your existing distro is pretty painless now, but seems like I'm always installing a new distro (mostly just for shits and giggles). don't get me wrong, I like linux just fine, I just think for this circumstance, vista is the way to go - 3-5 years from now could be a different story though.

Wheres the beef?
12-13-2007, 09:18 PM
Agreed.

thelastgreatman
12-13-2007, 09:49 PM
Jesus Christ, all you fucking Vista lovers go read slashdot for fuck's sake. Take your goddamn heads out of your asses and see what people who actually know something about OS's have to say about it.

thelastgreatman
12-13-2007, 09:53 PM
I have only used vista for about an hour, when I installed it on my macbook for shits and giggles... so a grain of salt on this.

However, if you read my post, I said "the concerns about constant security reminders DO NOT APPLY when you are not running as an administrator."

(my original post might be a double negativ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_negative)e, but I imagine you don't post unduly negative comments in the intrest of helping my grammar)

I was recommending running as a guest, for the very purpose of trying to avoid those dialogues. Perhaps now that you understand, you can tell me what the status of those annoying security alerts are under a guest profile... I have not experimented sufficiently to inform on this subject.

I would guess that Parental Controls are an effective way of preventing inexperienced children from altering mission critical settings, like network, and wireless printing. With any luck, they may help avert a meltdown brought on by a random .exe that an inexperienced (12 year old) user might download by accident. Again, I can't promise that they will work as well as the ones on Mac OS 10.5.1 that I deployed at work to keep the kids focused on word proccessing insetad of myspace. But it is surely an avenue worth investigating for a parent who wants their kid to have an effective and stable computer, rather than getting a second job as "dad, the vista trouble-shooter"... :2c

you may now return to licking jack slowly, and heck, why not start a thread about it! ;-)

Yeah, run as a guest, so that you can't do shit. Good advice. You know why you don't get those security questions? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FUCKING DO ANYTHING AS GUEST.

Tom, instead of any of this, how about you just use this opportunity to teach your daughter how to properly maintain her computer? I'd be willing to volunteer my time to advise you. One of the best things you could give her in conjunction with this present is an education on keeping her computer running well since 95 percent of all the issues people have with their machines are due to ignorance on the part of the user.